Tribes

tribes

I received this email some time ago, but I felt it needed some serious consideration to give the concept the justice it deserved.

Rollo — You’ve been a major help to my understanding the underlying dynamics between men and women. I’ve observed them in bits and pieces over the years but never really understood the whys behind them or how to turn them in our favor.

It seems like one mid-term focus you have is on male-male dynamics, specifically fathers and sons. But I also wonder whether you’d consider writing more about bonding and support between men and how those relationships can anchor men’s lives at a time when male relationships are regarded with skepticism by larger society. Lately it’s struck me that men tend to innately trust the men they know and distrust those they don’t (and that it’s often the reverse for women). This inclines us to believe women when they decry the “assholes” who have mistreated them in the past while women are empathetic and credulous toward women whose character they don’t know and whom they’ve never met.

Many of us out here are lacking strong male relationships, and our small social circles translate to fewer men we innately trust and more men we innately don’t. Women seem to regard male friendships as a luxury at best–we should be focusing on career, family, and her needs–while women’s friendships are seen as a lifeline in their crazy, have-it-all world. Indeed, a man discouraging his SO’s friendships is widely seen as a sign of emotional abuse, whereas the reverse is “working on the relationship.”

This strikes me as a deep but largely untapped Red Pill well and could provide essential guidance for men looking to live a proud, constructive Red Pill life however women and children might fit into it. I’d definitely welcome your insights in future entries.

Look forward to every post!

Back in February Roosh proposed (and attempted to initiate) a worldwide event that would be a sort of ‘gathering of the tribes’ with the intent of having men get together in small local gatherings to “just have a beer and talk amongst like-minded men.” My impression of the real intent of in putting this together notwithstanding, I didn’t think it was a bad idea. However, the problem this kind of ‘tribes meeting’ suffers from is that it’s entirely contrived to put unfamiliar men together for no other purpose than to “have a beer and talk.” The problem with unfamiliar men coming together simply to meet and relate is a noble goal, however, the fundamental ways men communicate naturally makes the function of this gathering seem strange to men.

Women talk, men Do.

The best male friends I have share one or more common interests with me – a sport, a hobby, music, art, fishing, lifting, golf, etc. – and the best conversations I can remember with these friends occurred while we were engaged in some particular activity or event. Even just moving a friend into his new house; it’s about accomplishing something together and in that time relating about shit. When I lived in Florida some of the best conversations I had with my studio guys were during some project we had to collaborate on for a week or two.

Women, make time with the express purpose of talking between friends. Over coffee perhaps, but the act of communication is more important than the event or activity. Even a ‘stitch-and-bitch’ is simply an organized excuse to get together and relate. For women, communication is about context. They are rewarded by how that communication makes them feel. For Men communication is about content and they are rewarded by the interchange of information and ideas.

[…]From an evolutionary perspective, it’s likely that our hunter-gatherer tribal roles had a hand in men and women’s communication differences. Men went to hunt together and practiced the coordinated actions for a cooperative goal. Bringing down a prey animal would have been a very information-crucial effort; in fact the earliest cave paintings were essentially records of a successful hunt and instructions on how to do it. Early men’s communication would necessarily have been a content driven discourse or the tribe didn’t eat.

Similarly women’s communications would’ve been during gathering efforts and childcare. It would stand to reason that due to women’s more collectivist roles they would evolve to be more intuitive, and context oriented, rather than objective oriented. A common recognition in the manosphere is women’s predisposition toward collectivism and/or a more socialist bent to thinking about resource distribution. Whereas men tend to distribute rewards and resources primarily on merit, women have a tendency to spread resources collectively irrespective of merit. Again this predisposition is likely due to how women’s ‘hard-wiring’ evolved as part of the circumstances of their tribal roles.

From this perspective it’s a fairly easy follow to see how the tendency of men to distrust unfamiliar (out-group) men might be a response to a survival threat whereas women’s implicit trust of any member of the ‘sisterhood’ would be a species-survival benefit to the sex that requires the most parental investment and mutual support.

Divide & Conquer

In our post-masculine, feminine-primary social order it doesn’t take a Red Pill Lens to observe the many examples of how the Feminine Imperative goes to great lengths to destroy the intrasexual ‘tribalism’ of men. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution the social press of equalism has attempted to force a commonly accepted unisex expectation upon men to socialize and interact among themselves as women do.

The duplicity in this striving towards “equality” is, of course, the same we find in all of the socialization efforts of egalitarian equalism; demasculinizing men in the name of equality. A recent, rather glaring, example of this social push can be found (where else?) at Harvard University where more than 200 female students demonstrated against a new policy to discourage participation in single-gender clubs at the school. You see, women were very supportive of the breaking of gender barriers when it meant that men could no longer discriminate in male-exclusive (typically male-space) organizations, but when that same equalist metric was applied to women’s exclusive organizations, then the cries were accusations of insensitivity and the banners read “Women’s Groups Keep Women Safe.”

That’s a pretty fresh incident that outlines the dynamic, but it’s important to understand the underlying intent of the “fine for me, but not for thee” duplicity here. That intent is to divide and control men’s communication by expecting them to communicate as women do, and ideally to do so on their own accord by conditioning them to accept women’s communication means as the normatively correct way to communicate. As I’ve mentioned before, the most effective social conventions are the ones in which the participants willingly take part in and willingly encourage others to believe is correct.

Tribes vs. The Sisterhood

Because men have such varied interests, passions and endeavors based on them it’s easy to see how men compartmentalize themselves into various sub-tribes. Whether it’s team sports (almost always a male-oriented endeavor), cooperative enterprises, cooperative forms of art (rock bands have almost always been male space) or just hobbies men share, it is a natural progression for men to form sub-tribes within the larger whole of conventional masculinity.

Because of men’s’ outward reaching approach to interacting with the world around him, there’s really no unitary male tribe in the same fashion that the collective ‘Sisterhood’ of women represents. One of the primary strengths of the Feminine Imperative has been its unitary tribalism among women. We can see this evidenced in how saturated the Feminine Imperative has become into mainstream society and how it’s embedded itself into what would otherwise be diametrically opposed factions among women. Political, socioeconomic and religious affiliations of women (various sub-tribes) all become secondary to the interests of ‘womankind’ when embracing the collective benefits of being women and leveraging both their victim and protected statuses.

Thus, we see no cognitive dissonance when women simultaneously embrace a hostile opposition to one faction while still retaining the benefits that faction might offer to the larger whole of the Sisterhood. The Sisterhood is unitary first and then it is broken down into sub-tribes. Family, work, interests, political / religious compartmentalizations become sublimated to fostering the collective benefits of womankind.

While I can speculatively understand the socio-evolutionary underpinnings of how this psychological dynamic came to be, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out just how effective this unitary collectiveness has been in shaping society towards a social ideal that supports an unfettered drive towards women’s gender-coded need to optimize Hypergamy. This unitary, gender-primary tribalism has been (and is) the key to women’s unilateral social power – and even in social environments where women still suffer oppression, the Sisterhood will exercise this gender-tribalism.

Threat Assessments

Asserting any semblance of a unitary male tribalism is a direct threat to the Feminine Imperative. In The Threat I began the essay with this summation:

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.

When I wrote this essay I did so from the perspective of women feeling vulnerable about interacting intimately with men who understood their own value to women and also understood how to leverage it. One of the reasons Game is so vilified, ridiculed and disqualified by the Sisterhood is because it puts this understanding into practice with women and, in theory, removes women from the optimization of Hypergamy. Red Pill awareness and Game lessens women’s control in that equation, which is sexy from the standpoint of dealing with a self-aware high SMV man, but also threatening from the perspective that her security depends on him acquiescing to her Frame and control.

Up to this point, Game has represented an individualized threat to women’s Hypergamous control, but there has always been a larger majority of men (Betas) who’ve been easily kept ignorant of their true potential for control. However, on a larger social landscape, the Feminine Imperative understands the risks involved in men forming a unitary tribe – a Brotherhood – based solely on benefitting and empowering men. The manosphere, while still effectively a collection of sub-tribes, represents a threat to the imperative because its base purpose is making men aware of their true state in a feminine-centric social order.

As such, any attempt to create male-specific, male-empowering organizations is made socially synonymous with either misogyny (hate) or homosexuality (shame). Ironically, the shame associated with homosexuality that a fem-centric society would otherwise rail against becomes an effective form of intra-gender shame when it’s applied to heterosexual collectives of men. Even suggestions of male-centered tribalism are attached with homosexual suspicions, and these come from within the collectives of men themselves.

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The above picture is from an “academic” conference (class?) Mediated Feminisms: Activism and Resistance to Gender and Sexual Violence in the Digital Age held at UCL in London. There’s quite a bit more to this than just collecting and codifying the sub-tribes of the manosphere, more can be found here.

Now, granted, this conference is replete with all of the uninformed (not to mention willful ignorance) concern to be expected of contemporary feminists, but this does serve as a current example of how men organizing for the exclusive benefit of men is not just equated with misogyny, but potential violence. As a unitary collective of men, the manosphere terrifies the Feminine Imperative. That fear, however, doesn’t stem from any real prospective violence, but the potential for a larger ‘awareness’ in men of their own conditions and the roles they are expected to play to perpetuate a feminine-centric social order. They fear to lose the control that the ‘socially responsible’ ignorance of men provides them with.

Men’s predisposition to form sub-tribes and intrasexual competition (“lets you and him fight”) has always been a means of covert control by women, but even still the Feminine Imperative must insert its influence and oversight into those male spaces to make use of  them. Thus, by assuring that feminine primacy is equated with the idea of inclusive equalism, all Male Space is effectively required to be “unisex space” while all-female sub-tribes must remain exclusively female. For an easy example of this, compare and contrast the reactions to Harvard’s unisex institution of campus club equalism to the worldwide reactions to, and preemption of, the “Tribe” meetings only attempted to be organized by Return of Kings in February.

Making Men

By controlling men’s intrasex communications with each other the Feminine Imperative can limit men’s unified, collective, understanding of masculinity and male experiences. Feminine-primary society hates and is terrified of men defining and asserting masculinity for themselves (to the point of typifying it as potentially violent), but as connectivity progresses we will see a more concentrated effort to lock down the narrative and the means of men communicating male experiences.

I’ve detailed in many prior posts how the imperative has deliberately misdirected and confused men about a unified definition of masculinity. That confusion is designed to keep men guessing and doubting about their “security in their manhood” while asserting that the feminine-correct definition is the only legitimate definition of healthy, ‘non-toxic’, masculinity. This deliberate obfuscation and ambiguity about what amounts to ‘authentic masculinity’ is another means of controlling men’s awareness of their true masculine potential and value – a potential that they rightly fear will mean acquiescing to men’s power over their Hypergamous social and personal control. Anything less than a definition of masculinity that fosters female primacy and fempowerment is labeled “toxic masculinity” – literally and figuratively poisonous.

This is the real, operative reason behind the obsessive, often self-contradicting, need for control of male space by the Feminine Imperative. Oversight and infiltration of male sub-tribes and instituting a culture of self-policing of the narrative within those sub-tribes maintains a feminine-primary social order.

Building Better Betas

Since the time in which western(izing) societies shifted to unfettering Hypergamy on a social scale there has been various efforts to demasculinize – if not outright feminize – the larger majority of men. Today we’re seeing the results of, and still persistent efforts of this in much starker contrast as transgenderism and the social embrace of foisting gender-loathing on boys becomes institutionalized. A deliberate promotion of a social constructivist narrative about gender identity and the very early age at which children can “choose” a gender for themselves is beginning to be more and more reinforced in our present feminine-primary social order.

As a result of this, and likely into our near future, today’s men are conditioned to feel uncomfortable being “men”. That discomfort is a direct result of the ambiguity and misguidance about conventional masculinity the imperative has fostered in men when they were boys. This feminization creates a gender loathing, but that loathing comes as the result of an internal conflict between the feminine-correct “non-toxic” understanding of what masculinity ought to be and the conventional aspects of masculinity that men need to express as a result of their biology and birthright.

Effectively, this confusion has the purpose of creating discomfort in men among all-male sub-tribes. These masculine-confused men have difficulty with intersocial communication within the sub-tribes they’re supposed to have some sort of kin or in-group affiliation with.  Even the concept of “male bonding” has become a point of ridicule (something typical of male buffoons) or suspiciously homosexual , so, combined with the feminine identification most of these men default to, today’s “mangina” typically has more female friends and feels more comfortable communicating as women communicate. These men have been effectively conditioned to believe or feel that male interaction or organization is inherently wrong, uncomfortable or contrived, possibly even threatening if the organizing requires physical effort. Consequently, interacting as a male becomes ridiculous or superficial.

Pushing Back

What then is to be done about this conditioning? For all the efforts to destroy or regulate male tribalism, the Feminine Imperative still runs up against men’s evolved predispositions to interact with the outside world instead of fixating on the inside world of women. Below I’ve pieced together some actionable ideas that might help men come to a better, unitary way of fostering the male tribalism the Feminine Imperative would see destroyed or used as a tool of soci0-sexual control:

  • While it is vitally important to maintain a male-specific mental point of origin, together men need a center point of action. Women talk, men do. Men need a common purpose in which the tribe can focus its efforts on. Men need to build, coordinate, win, compete and problem solve amongst themselves. The ‘purpose’ of a tribe can’t simply be one of getting together as like-minded men; in fact, groups with such a declared purpose are often designed to be the most conciliatory and accommodating of the Feminine Imperative. Men require a common, passionate purpose to unite for.

 

  • Understand and accept that men will naturally form male hierarchies in virtually every context if that tribe is truly male-exclusive. There will be a reflexive resistance to this, but understand that the discomfort in acknowledging male hierarchies stems from the Feminine Imperative’s want to make any male authority a toxic form of masculinity. Contrary to feminine conditioning male hierarchies are not necessarily based on Dark Triad manipulations. That is the ‘fem-think’ – any male created hierarchy of authority is by definition evil Patriarchy.

 

  • Recognize existing male sub-tribes for what they are, but do so without labeling them as such. Don’t talk about Fight Club, do Fight Club. As with most other aspects of Red Pill aware Game, it is always better to demonstrate rather than explicate. There will always be an observer effect in place when you call a male group a “male group”. That tribe must exist for a passionate reason other than the express idea that it exists to be about men meeting up. Every sub-tribe I belong to, every collective interest I share with other men, even the instantly forming ones that arise from an immediate common need or function, all exist apart from “being” about men coming together.Worldwide “tribe” day failed much for the same reasons an organization like the Good Men Project fails – they are publicized as a gathering of men just “being” men.

 

  • Push back on the invasion of male space by being uncompromising in what you do and organize with passion. Make no concessions for women in any all-male space you create or join. There will always be a want to accommodate women and/or the fears of not being accommodating of feminine-primary mindsets within that all-male purview. Often this will come in subtle forms of anonymous White Knighting or reservations about a particular passion due to other men’s Blue Pill conditioning to always consider the feminine before considerations of themselves or the tribe. It is vitally important to the tribe to quash those sympathies and compromising attitudes as these are exactly the designs of the Feminine Imperative to destroy a tribe from within.Make no concessions for competency of women within the tribe if you find yourself in a unisex tribal situation. Even the U.S. military is guilty of reducing combat service requirements for women as recently as this month. If you are a father or you find yourself in a role of mentoring boys or young men it is imperative that you instill this no-compromise attitude in them and the organizations that they create themselves.

 

  • The primary Red Pill / Game tenets that you’ve learned with respect to women are entirely applicable in a larger scope when it comes to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative. Frame and a return to a collectively male-exclusive Mental Point of Origin are two of the primary tenets to apply to non-intimate applications of resistance in terms of aspects of society. Observations and the Red Pill Lens should inform your interactions with women and men on a social scale.

 

Finally, I want to close by restating that my approach to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative on a meta-social scale is the same bottom-up approach I used with unplugging men from their Blue Pill doldrums. Once men have taken the first steps in Red Pill awareness this new perspective has a tendency to expound into greater social understandings and a want for applications beyond hooking up with desirable women. That Red Pill awareness becomes a way of life, but moreover, it should inform us as men, as tribes, about how best to maintain ourselves as masculine-primary individuals and organizations.

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YaReally
9 years ago

@Culum Struan Good job pushing specific goals infield. A lot of guys are shit to go sarge with because they have just terrible attitudes/mindsets/beliefs infield and don’t even realize that they’re dragging you down with their attitudes. I would MUCH rather sarge with a guy who has zero game but is upbeat, happy, makes me laugh/smile, reframes everything positively, takes action instead of making excuses, etc…’cause I can teach him the mechanics of game as we go, but guys with negative shitty internals need to do a ton of work themselves to fix that stuff. Here’s one of the most… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@all Awesome discussion guys Look when you’re out there trying to get it in, you don’t have time for shit that doesn’t work or shit that doesn’t have any utility. You also need to be able to adjust quickly when shit doesn’t play out like you think it should or would. I’ve gone through the process of going from fat to buff and going from getting rated like a 6 on hotornot to an 8+. Like, I know what I’m talking about. I look good. Chicks give me free IOIs regularly. I did the work both ways and I’m here… Read more »

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
9 years ago

@YaReally wrote “With regards to the photo, if the girls KNOW he has good subcomms (and it’s hard to imagine he doesn’t look high-value when you guys are all popping envy boners over his body reacting to him…or maybe you were all ignoring him at that point with your backs to him and you’re right, who knows, you didn’t videotape it and you have a biased perspective so we can’t really trust your summary just like we couldn’t trust Blaximus’ summary of a guy who was jacked with brain damage and got laid but then it turns out Blaximus forgot… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

Darwin’s survival of the fittest is now the survival of the subcomms.
Lol.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

Sperm bank requirements for good gene :
Hights : under 5’6.
Weight : over 259.
Face: feminine face.
Proofs of pick up women : bring all your infield videos with you. (lol).
Social accomplishments : bring all your 300 pages of comments on the Internet (lol).
Proofs of fitness : bring all your “sarging” and walk all night from bar to bar looking for “poon”.
A psychological proof of being in denial is a MUST

Lol

Bromeo
Bromeo
9 years ago

@Ajax Parallax “So the impossible to prove test would be, to flip your own .00001 percent example up-thread: What would happen if we stood Owen Cook in his prime with his wicked subcomms right beside a non-famous (removing his high status) Brad Pitt in his prime with identically wickedly good subcomms? Brought any sample size of groups of women, all sizes, shapes and ages. The question would be: Which one would draw more interest walking through the door And if Owen’s subcomms were, as you say, .00001 percent better than Brad’s, is that enough to draw all of their attention… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

Swimming pool is hiring life guards :
Good physical fitness and swimming skill is not important, subcomms is a must.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

The American special forces is hiring men with good subcomms to pacify enemy women.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

A 260 p guy at the sperm bank has:

0.00000000000.99999999999999999time 100,100,100 ,100,99999999999999,8888888888888.
Chance of selling his sperm.

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@YaReally “my mental model is that the subcomms/attitude cues are themselves the evolved ‘genetically superior’ traits… that are genetically passable” I don’t disagree with this in that I don’t have a theory either way and don’t have a big interest in the topic. PUA community doesn’t really know WHY confidence triggers hardwired arousal responses, so that’s open to debate, it could very well be an evolved thing, that sounds as good a theory as any. But the confidence itself is what triggers that response and the association of “looks = he will probably have confidence” is socially conditioned and can… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

NBA, after viewing the Rollo Tomassi recent thread comment, decided to fire all tall players, from now on only short guy with good subcomms are going to be allowed to play.

Football league is expected to follow.

In Indonesia , where men are not tall is pleased with NBA’s decision.

Ps,
I thought pit bull were the strongest animal but after watching a video of a pit bull running away from a lion, I decided to get a cat .

YaReally
9 years ago

@scray “The same free IOIs I get from my appearance can come from just catching a girls eye and smirking. No real difference. Most guys just don’t have the balls to do shit like that. ” This. ’cause most guys internals/subcomms are fucked from years of social conditioning and comparing themselves to rich jacked Chad Thundercock because of messages portrayed that free gimme IOIs are a prize to chase and that muscles trigger sexual arousal. So most guys won’t even look a really hot girl in the eyes when they look at them. “There is no chad t 1hr a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Scray

“Free iois” via attraction are via attraction to your look, while IOIs from smirking, eye game, and similar are not “free”, not passive, they are earned by your actions.

And so the “free” IOI is earned via attraction to a look. And the implications of this is that women are attracted to looks (as well as other things). And that attraction is triggered on a pre cognitive level.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@sentient Lol if those behaviors are how I act by default, how are they not every bit as passive as the looks IOIs? If I walk like a boss and she takes notice….how is that not a passive IOI? Try strutting around for a day like you own the city and tell me you don’t get more female attention… And it’s not like guys who look good are still statues…they are radiating subcomms as well. Here’s more to blow your mind…half the time girls give those IOIs to good looking dudes because their subcomms are beta which makes them seem… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“lol I am spending way too much time here right now for this discussion but I have to defend my point against like a dozen people all posting at the same time and this is an important subject” Thx for the effort man. Just the knowledge that I have everything I need to be a high value man inside of me, and knowing that it’s not necessary to chase external shit from a place of insecurity was a HUGE relief for me. I’m so much lighter and happier simply knowing that I have inherent value as a man. Everyone should… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@andy
” Just the knowledge that I have everything I need to be a high value man inside of me, and knowing that it’s not necessary to chase external shit from a place of insecurity was a HUGE relief for me. I’m so much lighter and happier simply knowing that I have inherent value as a man. Everyone should understand that.”

This.

This is what I mean when I say to rollo that he has no clue how damaging this innate looks blah blah shit can be…..because it fucks with a mans sense of inherent worth.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
9 years ago

@YaReally wrote “If they can see your buddy’s body they can see your bodies. Read a book on body language, not to mention the arrangement of your group VS him etc. Tons of little subcomms that you gloss over the same way Via Vitae summarized that Keys episode as a jacked guy getting girls offering sex, and that you don’t report, and that we can’t see for ourselves because there’s no infield video of what exactly happened. You said yourself that he had good subcomms regardless of how he looked. You don’t have to be up close to start picking… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BylIIPxe7t0

Don’t be socially conditioned to laugh.

interesting view point
interesting view point
9 years ago

this almost seems to apply to the discussion here

http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-04-25/girl-talk-why-im-hot-for-peter-dinklage/

YaReally
9 years ago

@scray @Sentient “Lol if those behaviors are how I act by default, how are they not every bit as passive as the looks IOIs?” Basically all Tyler’s “high level game” really is, is having the same good subcomms as that super-Thundercock Josh guy from the Keys to the VIP bio I just linked Culum, except in a body that social conditioning told us and him that doesn’t DESERVE to have those good subcomms. It looks like magic and stands out because every other guy who looks like Tyler LISTENED to the social conditioned message that says he doesn’t deserve to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

850+ Comments. Yeeaaahhhh Boooyyyy!!!!!! TRM crew putting in WORK!!!! I’m playing catch up, but @ hank holiday, ” Learned a few things. First, when there is an opportunity, take it right away. Good openings usually close fast. Secondly, need to just start going for numbers. Get used to it. I can do a lot of this stuff fairly well, its stuff I have done in the past, I just don’t have many reference experiences. I KNOW I could have gotten the black 6’s number (most likely) but I don’t have a reference experience of doing that in front of another… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
9 years ago

All that diversity is supposed to be a bad thing. Well, according to some of Twitter.

“Many black women are very familiar with ” game “.
Many black women have an endless supply of attention providing orbiters that they love having around, despite whatever protest about their traits when said orbiters aren’t around.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“I’m playing catch up”

I have things to do. I’ll have to catch up to playing catch up, but . . .

Could I rock with it?

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BPHAAP/jaime-king-pearl-harbour-pearl-harbor-2001-BPHAAP.jpg

Yes.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

http://img.morphthing.com/i/4069523/2/0/94a2b7f7/Jaime-King-and-Alexis-Bledel.jpeg

Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Water Cannon Boy ” All that diversity is supposed to be a bad thing. Well, according to some of Twitter. “Many black women are very familiar with ” game “. Many black women have an endless supply of attention providing orbiters that they love having around, despite whatever protest about their traits when said orbiters aren’t around.” Lol. That’s why I don’t take social media opines seriously. If I was trying to figure out what I wanted to eat for dinner, it would never occur to me to ask 3,000 people. Black chicks get an inordinate amount of attention,… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks.”

I approve this message….

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

But I’m not interested in “yes,” because I have information about her at the cognitive level. The yes is based solely on the image.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

… looks matt..*BOOOM-!!!* Head explodes.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

Bad Check Writing girl is the Sweet 16 fresh face in town. No Girl is what the fashion industry did to her in just a couple of years. Yes Girl is a couple years later when she stopped living on coffee, cigarettes and smack to stay thin and switched to acting. Then No Girl again a few years later, because you may shake that monkey off your back, but that doesn’t mean he’s not hanging around looking for opportunity to climb back on. Which is why, even though Yes Girl punches all my buttons, I wouldn’t be the least bit… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

@YaReally dude: thanks a lot. You’re spot on about me (effectively) qualifying to the HB6 – it hadn’t occurred to me but makes sense now. I wasn’t qualifying verbally, but effectively with the structure of how I played it. @Hank holiday – another good FR dude – I liked reading it. Some of those interactions sound a lot like mine, just in terms of chatting and being social and saying what’s on your mind to people with no agenda. I was teasing a HB7 at the takeout joint earlier today about howmuch she was ordering..was talking to the bartender at… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yQNKwh4HwU

When Tyler’s subcomms falls.
Lol

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
9 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ3Q6s24GMw

Tyler’s subcomms.

Who needs muscles when wife has them.

Why study evolution or evo psychology.
Fuck that shit man.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

YaReally Sentient HABD Wala Scray Quixotic Hank et al FR from Saturday afternoon – online date with 30 year old HB7 (Slim, blonde, great body, decent features, nice smile) Smooth first online date where the attraction and escalation “hit” right (I’ve done so many of these now, I get on autopilot). Good vibe and left the date smiling. Won’t bother with the details – just the same as always, just some key points: -Sexual stories and kino escalation hit right. Did some solid laser and saw the pupils dilate. Did a lot of verbal (and physical) push/pull – great results.… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@YaReally (remember the closer you are to looking like him the more pussy will just fall onto your dick bro, check out the non-sexual-arousal IOIs I got the other day!!). IOIs ain’t shit tests. When you get shit tests, the girl is thinking about mating with you. Which brings up some old business I have with you and @kfg. I finally figured out that you guys were messing with me when you were saying that girls think I’m “safe”, lol, otherwise I wouldn’t be seeing these shit tests coming my way and you guys have figured out that I see… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

Oh and couple more FR points: -Obviously the big point wrt this chick being DTF is the age – she’s 30, so into Provider hunting mode, and I’d be a catch. I probably would have had a better shot of getting a 24 year old to blow me in the restroom with exactly the same game. This chick SAYS in her online profile that she’s not looking for anything serious, but nevertheless… -Also, good trick I read on MRP on Reddit about kissing – holding the back of her neck and stroking it while kissing..real sense of power and dominance… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
9 years ago

“The only reason Tyler’s game is “high level game” is because all the rest of us WASTED the majority of our lives following the FI that told us we WEREN’T enough and DIDN’T deserve women and that we needed to be rich and good looking to deserve women, and that we should sit down and shut up and don’t offend people and don’t have our own opinions and don’t say them out loud and don’t tease girls and go chase all these things that won’t actually help you etc etc” not all of us. just because it took you and… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@fleezer

Lol FI tactics on full display….

whens your 10 things real men do Cosmo article coming out?

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“who would you want in the compound with you when the zombies come?”

Chesty and Snake.

fleezer
fleezer
9 years ago

@ scray

you post pictures on hot or not. lol.

it must have been really hard being a fat chode. are you feeling better now?

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

“who would you want in the compound with you when the zombies come?”

Neil Armstrong and Tom Cruise

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

“who would you want in the compound with you when the zombies come?”

Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young

scray
scray
9 years ago

@fleezer

awww dude I was just messing around, don’t get all bent.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

Lol. I was gonna write a long ass post but fleezer came in and sucked all of the oxygen outta the comment section.

Now I can only lay here on the floor, gasping for air.

Hey fleezer, next time yell ” FORE!!!” or at least ” DUCK!!!”.

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

Really loved the bodybuilding links people were dropping earlier. Rollins’ essay was great, and the tuff by Doug McGuff is really interesting. Got me reading his book and even if you are not into bodybuilding, you can learn a lot from what he covers reading between the lines. Just reading the intro to his book, there were quite a few bits applicable to our little thread here.

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

@blax, @fleezer Yeah, I feel like even the guy leeching off my open WiFi got pwned a bit.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
9 years ago

Actually, I believe the FI would call fleezer’s comment *Toxic Masculinity*
lol.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Via Vitae

No kidding. fleezer doesn’t say much, but he carries a sequoia.

Funny, when I read his comment, in my mind I heard Charles Bronson’s voice.

YaReally
9 years ago

@Culum Struan Props on the pull dude. Tons of good entitlement/sexuality/etc in there. Way different than the friend zoney sugar-daddy dates from like a year ago. Sounds like she was legitimately attracted/turned on and good work pushing the escalation out of your comfort zone. Notice how your frame in this differs from the “selling yourself to the girl” frame. In this interaction you’re the one sizing HER up and just assuming she wants you etc. “if you bore me, I will just check out your tits instead”. THAT’S the frame of “I’m the buyer, I’m going to screen/qualify YOU, not… Read more »

YaReally
9 years ago

“No I don’t. I literally just wrote to Blaximus: “I’ve never said slaying pussy is the only thing a man should be concerned about in life. But IF he DOES want to get pussy, he should focus on the thing that most efficiently will lead to him achieving that goal.” This is more of that misrepresenting my position thing I keep talking about.”

whoops I meant I wrote that to Bromeo, not Blaximus.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ YaReally

But you can write to me any time you want.

….no homo

YaReally
9 years ago

@Blaximus
<3 Meet me in the bathroom in Culum's bar.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ YaReally

… yeah right. I don’t fall for the ” meet in the bathroom ” trick twice.

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

I want Tom in the compound more because of Vincent than Maverick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-P8sJNHk0

Besides, Neil covers the naval aviator checkbox. He was also an engineer, an honest, humble, stand-up guy, and knew how to write a good catchphrase.

Re. Snake Plissken, actually Kurt Russell seems pretty legit for a Hollywood type, he is not afraid to call bullshit on stuff he does not buy into.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

Time for operation “Calm the Fuck Down”. Blaximus, thanks for joining us in mediation. I went out and flail mowed about 4 acres of winter annual weeds to preserve perennial food plots for wildlife deer habitat today. Contemplated a few things while driving the 83 hp John Deer tractor and 390 flail mower. Interesting how tribes in the manosphere can be contemplated by head-phone ear-muffs and a loud tractor while flail-mowing. FR: everything went well and life was beautiful there-after. I agree. Fuck PUA pussy seeking only. Stick to your forte and fill the comments all you want. But don’t… Read more »

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

, I only have 4 acres of woods instead of 40, but might be interested in helping my woods to be more habitastic for the deer. Maybe that will discourage them from nibbling at my rhodies.

mersonia
9 years ago

“I agree. Fuck PUA pussy seeking only.”

Not everyone has to be like you.

“But don’t shit on others in the the same tribe.”

You taking this personally says alot.

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

@mersonia “You taking this personally says alot.”

Yeah, it says he has decency, and a fucking clue.

mersonia
9 years ago

@Via Vitae
“Yeah, it says he has decency, and a fucking clue.”

No

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
9 years ago

Let me lay it out for you @mersonia,

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mersonia
9 years ago

@via

lol

walawala
walawala
9 years ago

@Culum Props on the FR. This sounds much more confident. Now you need to get into this frame of mind EVERY time…and then your game witll improve. Yah, the BJ in the bathroom may have triggered her ASD. You either have to drag her in there, or find a better spot—back alley, your car. She’ll likely be back in touch. Give it a few days and ping her, see how it goes. I just banged the 9th girl of the year: 23, cute, tattoo. I hit her up online, sexualized the chat. She immediately picked up on those cues. I… Read more »

SFC Ton
9 years ago

LOL I don’t have a dog in the looks vs subcoms fight. Mostly because I don’t see it as either or. Very few of us will have perfect looks or perfect subcoms so who fucking cares? get out there and swing for the fucking fences

all so….. my statement on game seems to read as if I am against it, which I am not. Its more like…it all gets way to complex for me

SFC Ton
9 years ago

It takes a true alpha mindset to handle the non-hushed chattering of women just off the tee box in the middle of your backswing during couples play.
——————

LOL then what do you call the mind set required to shoot a man who is 300 yards away and mostly under cover while IED’s IDF and small-arms fire is coming at you?

If you are not risking life, limb or serious injury your hobby isn’t all that masculine

SFC Ton
9 years ago

or the mind set required to squat 4 times your body weight knowing if you fuck it up you get hurt

or free dive deeper then you’ve gone before

to free climb some cliff that will fuck you up if you fuck up

etc etc etc

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

Thanks for the perspective Ton.

Even the farming the habitat for deer hunting takes on new meaning with that in mind.

I try to live on the edge. But that edge is more real.

YaReally
9 years ago

@SJF “But don’t shit on others in the the same tribe.” Dude you take EVERYTHING I say to anyone as some sort of personal insult directly to you and your lifestyle. I’ve been sitting here saying REPEATEDLY in my posts “if guys decide they wanna settle with kids etc that’s cool I wish them the best” and you’re up in arms saying I’m hating on everyone who doesn’t want to go chase poon and poon is the ultimate goal in life and all that matters and anyone not chasing poon is a worthless loser etc etc when all I’ve EVER… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago



And don’t fake like you don’t know why Rollo acted the way he did.”

I might have missed something here… if you know of a reason why Rollo acted like he did then tell me… bc I didn’t get it either…

thanks

good luck!

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

Jeeez. Idk what y’all mean by ” Rollo’s reaction “. I must have missed something big.

Getting in the way back machine to see what happened that I misconstrued.

Softek
Softek
9 years ago

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@SFC Ton

lol… that’s my pov too… it certainly puts our pua activities into perspective…

lol at girls being more dangerous than getting shot at work… lol

good luck!

YaReally
9 years ago

@Softek
I’m think it’s safe to assume fleezer was the original writer of that meme lol

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Rollo – stack check…

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

YES I AM AWARE OF THIS THAT’S WHY I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY THAT I AM COOL AND FULLY SUPPORT GUYS WHO WANT TO SETTLE DOWN AND HAVE KIDS AND SHIT. Then why post comments that routinely take up 3/4 of the page when they are totally irrelevant to what Rollo is saying in his OP (pretty much this is always the case with your comments), and to at least half of his readers. Why? It’s really rude. Yes, I have a scroll wheel, and you keep it calibrated, but to be honest it’s just rude. It’s like pissing in someone… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
9 years ago

@YaReally I’m an old fart who came to the red pill late in life after getting chewed up and spit out by the FI and what passes for societal conventional wisdom these days, so I often just scroll past your posts. It’s not that I don’t appreciate your message, I sincerely believe you add tremendous value to the younger red pill bucks who are lacking in confidence, emotional intelligence, and the requisite social skills to be successful with women in our present day dystopia. We all take what we can use from the red pill and the message of self-improvement… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Looks don’t matter.. except it turns out Looks + Game is “super”… Looks with game is super. But guys with both are incredibly rare. I’ve met ONE guy with looks AND crazy solid game. Dude had iois everywhere he went and slaughtered pussy left and right (but if I was 0.0001% more on than him on a night out, I could take girls off him lol ’cause as a Natural he had great game but still had blindspots that Naturals have with state management and relying on approach invites and not really consciously understanding social proof etc). And I’m LOOKING… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

@Novaseeker

Do you want Red Pill, or do you want Red Pill lite? He’s only here to help guys, and it’s important that every man in the The Red Pill community understand that they have inherent value and external shit like looks, muscles and money don’t matter. It’s yeoman’s work really with all the BS he gets from everyone. I really have a hard time grasping why only like 3 or 4 people can understand why this is so important… Or… maybe TRP is only for naturals and the MOSTLY red pill of us… ?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Harrison want’s to know why this all matters… Here you go One thing to keep in mind is that your looks can affect the style of game you should be running. The higher status you are externally/passively (ie – a girl can look at you and go that dude is super handsome or rich etc.), the more “boring” your game tends to have to be. A guy who looks like Tyler can be a complete dickhead because visually he’s low-value so girls are intrigued that he’s so cocky and full of himself and an asshole. So Tyler saying arrogant cocky… Read more »

redlight
redlight
9 years ago

when they are totally irrelevant to what Rollo is saying in his OP (pretty much this is always the case with your comments), and to at least half of his readers

that explains the Venn diagram in Rollo’s post, where The Rational Male is the intersection of MGTOW and PUA

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

that explains the Venn diagram in Rollo’s post, where The Rational Male is the intersection of MGTOW and PUA Except that it isn’t. MGTOW are not really supported by this blog, and certainly not by its host. PUA ideas are, to some degree, but it is not a PUA blog because it has a broader audience than younger guys who are trying to get laid by under 25 8-10s. No-one here is against Game. No-one. What many of us object to, however, is the absolutist way that some of the commenters, who have basically staged a hostile takeover of the… Read more »

HowlingManTodd
HowlingManTodd
9 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Novaseeker IOI’s are great right? MM three IOI’s you are cruising. Except when they are somehow “free” then an IOI isn’t great? See any cognitive bias in this thinking? Did Mystery say “don’t worry about IOI’s brah, she’s not dripping wet from that” or did he say get IOI’s and then advance your game based on that information? I’ve had really good-looking wings with various skill levels, but like good-looking to where if I don’t do anything the girl will actively ignore me or brush off what I say and turn back to focus on him and I’m literally standing… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@Novaseeker

“Because it isn’t true.”

what would the world look like if it was true?… serious question

good luck!

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

what would the world look like if it was true?… serious question
good luck!

I would answer, but it would take up a whole page of comments with several long embedded YouTube videos.

SFC Ton
9 years ago

LOL girls are dangerous. For most men at any rate. I’ve seen more dudes fuck up their lives up over a bitch then take a dirt nap. Hell most men I know fucked up their lives to some degree or another over a bitch at one point or another. Everything is a matter of training and few men are trained to deal with chicks these days. Which is why I love Game, Red Pill, PUA etc. Thats what they do is train me also in all this, I think biology drives what girls get lubed up over. Sure social conditioning… Read more »

SFC Ton
9 years ago

Think that’s the 1st time I’ve seen Novaseeker break out the 4 letter words……

scray
scray
9 years ago

@novaseeker ” you can subcomm your way to Alpha Centauri and it won’t do you much good compared to a guy wither average subcomms and 6’1″, 190, ” based on what, guy? that dude is 5’4 and has been caught on tape using subcomms to scare the shit out of dudes who are way bigger than him (the ‘in what way am i Funny’ scene was unscripted….all of those reactions are real) look at the chicks he’s been linked with —- hotter and younger http://www.whosdatedwho.com/dating/joe-pesci what about studies showing that attractiveness ratings change based on behavior over time? ‘But it’s… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

SCray

“there is no need to ‘compensate.’ there is just a need to get inside whoever’s head and figure out what kind of expectations they’re attaching to your look.”

This is the definition of compensating, it is “how” you compensate.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@sentient

“This is the definition of compensating, it is “how” you compensate.”

here is the real definition:

‘to provide something good as a balance against something bad or undesirable : to make up for some defect or weakness’

to assess someone’s perception of you != providing something ‘good’ against something ‘bad.’

i don’t need to think of myself or anything about myself as ‘bad’ to properly calibrate and take charge.

if anything, you’re just educating them and correcting their ignorance.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

First, Joe Pesci isn’t 350, as per what I wrote (nice snip there), but more broadly … You’re talking about a movie star, who by definition has status to beat the band by getting out of bed in the morning and not by virtue of any other subcomms or Game, as an indicator of the irrelevance of anything other than subcomms? Seriously? Sure, movie stars do well — who knew? What a revelation.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@novaseeker

“First, Joe Pesci isn’t 350, as per what I wrote (nice snip there)”

lmfao ya dude regardless of which metric the above meets or didn’t meet, you’re still just talking out of your ass so w/e

“You’re talking about a movie star, who by definition has status ”

he wasn’t always a movie star. how do you think movie stars like him become famous?

do you think dudes like woody allen only got that way after fame or something?

it’s called charisma, and they have it before they’re famous in many cases.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

scray – well that is one definition of compensate, it not all definitions however

“make up for (something unwelcome or unpleasant) by exerting an opposite force or effect.”

Should we define unwelcome as well? What are you “properly calibrating” to? But that’s not compensating?

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

do you think dudes like woody allen only got that way after fame or something?
it’s called charisma, and they have it before they’re famous in many cases.

Show me how Pesci and Allen did with HB 8-10s <25s before they were famous. Show me. You're extrapolating backwards from how they performed *after* they were famous and high status — which is obvious bullshit.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

I think it’s high time to let the subject go.

Things are devolving into slights and insults, intentionally or not.

That means the end of any kind of useful debate.

After the 20th mention of >25 year old pussy, my pedestalization limit has been thoroughly exceeded.

It was a great debate for a while. Epic even.

But now it’s just repetitive and bordering on degrading.

The horse is now dry, bleached bones.

…. for real.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@novaseeker

” You’re extrapolating backwards from how they performed *after* they were famous and high status — which is obvious bullshit.”

it’s not bullshit when the chicks they’re with COULD HAVE gotten with other dudes who were taller, more good-looking etc, and had equal or greater status and are known for running in high profile circles.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@sentient

no material difference in your def vs mine

let’s say someone believes that all red-haired ppl can’t turn left

if i have red hair and i meet that someone and i turn left….am i compensating in any way?

i’m not offering up some trait that ‘compensates’ for my red hair

i’m just busting through a stupid belief about red hair and upending expectations.

they aren’t the same thing.

one comes from a place of insecurity.

theasdgamer
9 years ago

gorilla warfare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uWHMq1bDAE

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