Ghosts in the Machine

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Hollenhund had an interesting response to a question posed in last week’s post that I thought I might come back to here:

1) Why is there “yourbrainonporn” for men, and not “yourbrainonyourdildocollection” for women? “yourbrainoneroticnovels” “yourbrainon50shadesofgray” “yourbrainonTwilight” “yourbrainonhavingtoomanyorbiters” “yourbrainongettingtoomanymessagesinyourinboxonokcupid”? MEN are the ones that it’s a “problem” if they want variety. MEN are the ones that have to change. MEN are the ones that have to fight their biology. hmmm…I wonder why THAT is. Maybe to help create more Softeks, where the girl can cheat on her boyfriend with him and then shame him for looking at another girl

I doubt their goal is that specific. This new narrative about porn addiction being a public health problem is obviously seen by its supporters as yet further ground for political consensus between feminists and social conservatives. It’s not that feminists want to turn the porn industry, or what remains of it, into a political target again, it’s that they need a narrative that is aligned with the Feminine Imperative and moves public discourse about the mating market away from subjects they, and women in general, are very uncomfortable with.

As long as the mainstream media pushes this narrative about young men getting addicted to online porn and thus opting out of the mating market, it will largely stifle any public discourse about the popularity of female emotional porn (romantic literature), and also the real potential causes of widespread porn use, like the drop in average female quality on the mating market and unrestrained hypergamy. Social conservatives, feminists, and the majority of common folk will, of course, be happy to put all blame on men for any social problem, real or not. And it’s very obvious that porn addiction isn’t a problem they want to actually do anything about, it’s more like an excuse for women to whine and moan. Frankly I’m very skeptical about the whole issue of porn addiction, because if something just happens to perfectly fit into the Feminine Imperative, it’s probably no accident. And one wonders how much scientific evidence there actually is for it.

I’ve addressed the physiological and social associations of male masturbation in the past in The Pheromonal Beta, as well as Pathologizing the Male Sexual Response. The “lively” discussion about male masturbation in this week’s comments notwithstanding, the topic du jour in the Twittershpere also seemed to coincide with this topic.

Personally, I think the ‘moral’ dictates about jerking off follows evolutionarily pragmatic reasons for male shame in masturbation while female masturbation is an arousal cue and seen as a positive. Female masturbation is a cue for sexual availability while male masturbation is essentially a Beta Tell.

That’s the nuts and bolts of it from the bio-evolutionary perspective, but as with all other inherently male thumbscrews, the Feminine Imperative has long exploited the sociological implications of men’s need for sex. One thing that slips by relatively unnoticed with social conventions that serve the Feminine Imperative is that the same presumptions that would serve a masculine (in this case sexual) imperative are always shamed or stereotyped – that is until they come into a context that is  useful to the feminine.

Sex Sells What?

“Sex sells” is a cliché that can be used in the positive for women, but it is always a negative for men. For women, sold sex in advertising, romantic literature, the meteoric popularity of ‘divorce porn’ for married  women, or really any media that stimulates women’s sexual interests is always seen as positive, empowering and exceptional. Even if what their being sold is seedy or can have a potentially negative consequence, in a feminine-primary social order women ‘own’ sex from today’s social perspective. In other words, society at large is expected to defer to women on issues of sex and, by association, romance, love, etc.

Women can still be sold  something or induced to buy a product or to adopt a mindset, but that article or the message that’s meant to be internalized is associated with the ‘positive’ of a sexual inference with women.

For men, male sexuality is always a negative association unless that sexuality is expressed in a way that complements women’s sexual strategy. Something being sold via sex to men is either seen as preying upon an inherent weakness (or dependency) for sex or it’s paired with ridicule for men being typical ‘pigs’ and they’re unable to dissociate sex from the objectification of women. So ingrained is this shame-association that men have adapted sexual competition strategies around it in order to identify better with women in the hopes they will be perceived as “not like other, typical, sex hungry men” and that their intimate interests are motivated by something more ephemeral that sex.

The social utility of this shame-association, of course, parallels the utility of Male Catch 22 for the Feminine Imperative, but there’s a useful  duplicity for women in this inescapable shame of male sexuality. For instance, when women seek to convince both themselves and men that fat-acceptance and “changing the standards of beauty” should be men’s metric for wanting to fuck and pair with less desirable women, we see the usefulness of that duplicity. Men are useful in the perception that they’re sexually uncontrollable pigs for being so gullible as to allow “society” and advertising agency to define what they think is arousing.  However, the Feminine Imperative will readily use (or attempt to use) that same weakness  to exploit men into acting against their own, evolved, sexual best interests by selling them the ideal of accepting fat women as a new standard of beauty.

There are no feminine parallels for the pathologizing of the female sex response because those would simply be hindrances to women optimizing their Hypergamous imperatives. Why are there no “yourbrainonporn” sites for women? Why are there no XXXChurch equivalents for the ladies? Why are there no support groups for women ‘addicted’ to romance novels or divorce porn movies? Because that exclusively male pathologizing is only beneficial to the female sexual strategy.

This is the depth of control that the female-primary imperative seeks over men – that our most base biological, existential need should be distorted and psychologically molded by shame to the point of instilling lifelong neurosis and conditioning fear-based gender self-loathing to effect women’s sexual strategy above all other considerations.

I’ll quote the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies once more here: for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other’s must either be compromised or abandoned. Whether subtly instilled or publicly shame-conditioned, associating men’s sexuality with sickness or perversion, weakness, and disability, the underlying purpose is an effort in convincing men to abandon any claim to their own sexual imperative in favor of that of women’s.

Slut Shaming

If this seems like a sea change from the old order days when women were shamed for even the hint of promiscuity while men were lauded for their own sexual exploits, what you’re seeing is the societal shift to feminine social primacy. There was a time when sexual indiscretion was something that shamed women. Today, it’s almost laughable that there should be a need for a social convention like “slut shaming”. There is no such social referencing, but if men on whole can be put to shame for the belief that other men might still cling to older order reservations about women’s sexual exploits it serves to place women’s sexual strategy above that of men’s.

There is always the old standby – the horrible “double standard” about men banging a lot of women being heroes while women who bang a lot of men are sluts (“it sooooo unfair!”). This is a laughable, antique social convention in an era of slut walks and female-centric birth control, but it’s still the reflexive go-to trope when the mechanics of pathologizing men’s sexuality comes to light.

Sex-positive feminism has always been a two-edged sword for women. That positivity ‘fempowers’ women so long as they cling to the old order missives about the Patriarchy repressing that sexuality while it simultaneously disqualifies their complaints of it as Hypergamy becomes more and more openly embraced.

Ghosts in the Machine

Hollenhund continues for us:

YaReally and hoellenhund, you’re talking about all this VR porn stuff but isn’t this basically the same dynamic as prostitution? Same kind of alternative sexual relief (that is not your wife) and same reason why the FI shames prostitutes and men who use prostitutes etc..because they lower the “price” of sexual release..?

YeReally has already answered your question well, I’d say. He brought VR porn up, I didn’t, because I was observing the current situation, not something that only exists today as a potential future development.

I’d add that the dynamic is somewhat different. Apparently the state is willing to penalize prostitution, at least to a degree that makes it sufficiently risky and expensive for many men to avoid it, and the majority of women and their male bootlickers are willing to support political efforts to suppress it. Neither of that applies to pornography of any sort. Women will complain about it, they will support a narrative that portrays it specifically as a problem caused by men, but it’s not like anyone actually wants to make an effort to do something about it. Do you think any woman wants to date, or have sex with, a reformed porn addict? Do you think women want porn addicts to get out of the basement, get their shit together, and hit on women in order to get real-life sex?

For the record, I’m not going to deny that excessive masturbation is unhealthy, or that excessive porn use can elicit unrealistic expectations of sex in a mind of an inexperienced man. Anything should be done in moderation, that goes without saying. But the current public discourse on porn and its effects is complete BS.

I’ve forgotten where I saw the quote posted, so I’ll paraphrase it a bit (I think it may have been Illimitable Man), but there’s a new concept I read about how human beings’ experience of consciousness is now assuming a new, third, aspect – the immediate, the internal and now, the virtual.

The immediate experience is one in which you directly relate with people in real time. It’s you physically and vocally interacting with others. The internal is the conversations you have with yourself and both your conscious and subconscious interpretation of what you’re experiencing, learning, behaving, etc. (i.e. what you’re thinking).

However, the virtual (or digital) aspect of consciousness is something humans have only recently developed and are now on the cutting edge of really understanding. The virtual experience is what I’m doing now as I type this post. I’m relating to you what’s going on in my thought process (to the degree of which I’m aware of it) in a virtual medium. Virtual porn, virtual games, virtual shopping, etc., really anything you do in a digital realm is part of this new form of ‘being’.

Humans in 2016 experience things in ways that our forebearers could scarcely dream of. Our immediate and internal experiences are now being informed by out virtual experiences – in accelerated ways that I don’t think most people really appreciate. The Feminine Imperative is now fighting to establish a foothold in this virtual experience. Thus, we see efforts like GamerGate meant to lock down a control over how men will be allowed to experience this virtual reality. We also see the preliminary efforts to both socially and legislatively institute feminine-primary controls over yet to be developed possibilities of virtual experiences.

Jerking off to ubiquitous, free, online porn is one such experience that the Feminine Imperative has had to play catch-up to with regard to restricting men’s access to it. And thus, we get contingent social controls from the imperative to counter this lack. It’s not enough that men be shamed for their sexual response to online porn. The accessibility makes this impractical, but there’s really no ‘sales’ transaction for which men would feel their sexual “weakness” being exploited.

However, the counter to this then becomes making men’s sexuality itself a disease. “Porn Addiction”, sex addiction, in a religious context even ‘impure thoughts’ become a disease not to be cured, but to be managed by women – women’s definitions, women’s approvals and disapprovals, women’s sexual strategy interests.

And porn is just the tip of the iceberg with regard to the Feminine Imperative’s controls of men’s virtual experiences with women.

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Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Put myself in chode mode this morning… bleh. head to the coffee shop for some much needed zip, extra zoned out from brown water celebrations last night and sleepy morning sex (always enjoy a low energy session now and then). Practically stumble into the place and BAM! Right in line two feet in front of me is a bona fide 8.5… 5’9″, blond hair, green eyes, young (23ish), dressed up in flowing green pants tightly hugging a perfect heart shaped ass… beautiful tattoo free white skin exposed. very pleasant look on her face. This type of creature is rare in… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Rollo ‘It’ is an abstraction for a collective whole of the unitary interests exclusive to women’s psychological, sociological and biological imperatives. So, for as much as you’d like to anthropomorphize ‘it’ it is not sentient, nor has that association ever been implied. that’s true enough, but i keep saying that the FI is ‘cunning and pervasive’ bc that’s what the FI in play in the world looks like to me…and THAT helps me make predictions about the outcomes of interactions… it’s just a mental model that seems to be accurate… the FI is an organic process…and it LOOKS like it… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Sentient Had a similar experience a few days ago…hot girl I open at a party, it’s all going great. Later in the evening I sit down beside her…the vibe is dead. Girls emotions ebb and flow. The 8.5 was used to being gamed and wasn’t up for it. The 6 loved the attention and was ready to give back. Girl I’m now banging was all hot…got me a gift…now she’s feeling down about something or other and doesn’t respond. I DHV her with a story about some ridiculous thing that happened at work and suddenly she’s all chatty. A lot… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . it LOOKS like it has agency… and sentience… bc it’s composed of millions/billions of individual sentient beings . . .”

And ant looks like a simple, mindless robot, operating by simple, mechanical rules.

An ant colony looks like a sentient being.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Apriori May 4th, 2016 at 4:21 am “Hi guys, I’m new to this manosphere movement at 24. From what I understand (this is slightly irrelevant to this article) women say things but act differently. Incongruously. I’m genuinely confused, if anyone has any input (I’m just looking through the site, there may already be an older article addressing this) I’d be happy to hear!” Yes, there are plenty of older articles. A good thing to do is start at the top of this blog page and click on The Best of Year One articles. An in regards to to that video,… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

@HBAD This “the FI is an organic process…and it LOOKS like it has agency… and sentience… bc it’s composed of millions/billions of individual sentient beings (girls) making hundreds of individual decisions every day… all operating (on elemental hindbrain rule structures…but still…) to gain individual advantage (with forebrain conceptual arguments) in their own situs, (which includes ‘supporting’ all other girls)… and all those individual decisions collectively exploit all available opportunities to further their (individual and collective) sexual strategies… the pressure is constant and unrelenting…” Breaking down the fiber of family,tradition and culture from the ground up. Once the male agency has… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Sentient at 6:43am

it happens…lol…nice attitude turnaround though…and i’m right there with you on the nose ring issue. anything that looks like it’s ‘snot’ is just too much of a turn off…lol…so, the question is – if the first girl had the bull ring, would it have made a difference in approaching? (even in your zoned out state?)

good luck!

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

As well, note that the egalitarian is not the same as equalism. This has already been well discussed here.”

As long as you well note that I don’t know your distinctions in regards to those words because you always say more than necessary and I am indifferent to your “well discussed” meanings/thesesor what you are trying to say about them.

“The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” — Aristotle

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@kfg

And ant looks like a simple, mindless robot, operating by simple, mechanical rules.

An ant colony looks like a sentient being.

exactly… that was my other example…lol…now layer a level of sentience onto the individual ‘ant’ and the efficiency of the ‘colony’ to ‘problem-solve’ its way to exploiting the potential resources available goes up exponentially…

good luck!

Blaximus
6 years ago

They have the pussy, they make the rules. Somebody should put that on a T shirt. Oh wait…

Reject that sentiment completely because a ” pussy ” is meaningless without men/ a man.

Lol at chicks they can be so cute with their little thoughts and pronouncements sometimes.

HABD is correct, surrender no control, not even in thought.

It is penis that gives pussy relevancy.

Pussy alone is like a hotdog bun sans hotdog. Ain’t nobody looking for that.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“….like a hotdog bun sans hotdog. Ain’t nobody looking for that.”

Hey man, some of us are diabetic…….

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Blaximus

It is penis that gives pussy relevancy.

THAT’S the t-shirt…lol…

good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

HABD – o, the question is – if the first girl had the bull ring, would it have made a difference in approaching?

In animus, definitely… in effect no sadly… lost it on the first look, turned inward…

http://piercingimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/cute-nose-rings-and-piercings.jpg

No… just no…

http://piercingideas.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/nose-piercings-studs-nose-piercing-stud-tumblr-cool-eyecatching-tatoos-image.jpg

These… ummm OK… actually i think the small diamond stud look is pretty sexy.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

And never any ear gauge shit – WTF are they thinking?

http://data.whicdn.com/images/2791477/large.jpg

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Sentient THAT’s the ‘booger drip’ thing i HATE…lol…mostly you see those things on land whales with red hair…lol buuuut (lol) if THAT was the girl (assuming matching body…lol) i’d STILL open her… and then work my way up to having her take that thing out (as a compliance test)…lol…those lip studs would have to come out too… and it should have been ‘…even if NOT in your zoned out state?’… In animus, definitely… in effect no sadly… lost it on the first look, turned inward… that shit happens to everybody…lol…i’m impressed that you even TRIED to get in set after… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sentient. Lol. Once banged young chick that was practically covered in tats. Both nips pierced, belly ring clit pierced with a diamond stud, nose ring and countless ear piercings. After undressing her I took a minute to roll her over a few times to take all of this in. Banging her was like fucking a Christmas tree. And for all of that adornment she was sub par in bed. Buuuttt it was an experience. The visuals stick with me. I’d pass if I had a similar opportunity , I think trying out these broads is good, just for the… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Sentient

+1 on the gauge shit…and that DOESN’T come out…lol…for me that actually limits the potential of the girl to hb6 or less (even if a hb9+ without that…)

good luck!

IAS
IAS
6 years ago

Given that we are talking about weird stuff girls do, I don’t quite get the unnatural hair colors (although to be honest it doesn’t put me off nearly as much as piercings – but maybe I’m just used to it from anime). Also here in the comments people usually associate such hair colors to feminists. I also don’t get that, because barring a few rare male punks, you never see guys coloring their hair blue, green, red, pink, purple and so on. So if they believe in gender equality (like not shaving armpits or burning bras), just by using those… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ IAS

I don’t think the crazy hair colors signify much more than a trend. At least in my experience and where I live, chicks that aren’t sumo look alikes aren’t radfem identifying via hair color.

It is on par with the tats and piercings. They get off on ” muh expression “.

It is probably also due to the falling popularity of circuses. Gals think they are treading in unexplored territory because they are unfamiliar with Boffo the clown.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Blax… Tats I can deal with if they are not covering too much (like full sleeves) or shitty blotches… 22YO stripper that practically fell into my lap had some nice looking graceful girly tats… vines and leaves and scroll writing … her stripper name was “Autumn”. Solid 8. Saw these guys (below) again this year, they of course brought this episode up, still think it was the craziest thing they ever saw… The luck part is being in the right place at the right time… like not in your room playing video games etc. being around real live females is… Read more »

TheOldOligarch
TheOldOligarch
6 years ago

What I find comical is that any form of equality is reality denying, insofar you don’t ascribe value to people simply because they breathe, which means sufferers of emphysema have less worth than my pet cat. Reality denying because of enlightenment hubris is so 20th century. Lol

xsplat
6 years ago

@Sentient “Put myself in chode mode this morning… ”

Nice writing. Worth the read just for the pleasure of reading it.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Apriori Those girls actually believe what they’re saying, but you have to understand their perspective: They aren’t picturing “How can some nerd who doesn’t get laid get us?” Those guys don’t enter their mind as prospects because they need a guy with higher status than them (Hypergamy) to be attracted. So what THEY’RE picturing when you ask them that question is their dream guy that they would be attracted to, they’re picturing “How can a rich millionaire studly charming Brad Pitt in his prime get us?” and THAT guy would by default intimidate them…so they wouldn’t want THAT guy to… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient “Damn man, where was that 30 minutes ago is all I can think” Solid FR, but what was your answer to this question? Was it just that you were blindsided or that you didn’t feel entitled to bust on her the way you did with the nosering girl? Or was it that the lack of green light feedback stopped you (see that Madison vid I posted a couple pages back)? What would you have done differently and how could you have been better prepared? What was going on internally with you that you felt comfortable with the nosering girl… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

Also this is what’s happening in universities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvRlJ_MzoII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etuNUrnaZVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEgTaM28ls

Soon these kids will be let loose into the workforce and real world that doesn’t care about their Twitter PTSD lol

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus
Pussy alone is like a hotdog bun sans hotdog. Ain’t nobody looking for that.

Man, I almost choked just now. Got to be more careful with the beverages when reading.

What we need is some Rational Male fortune cookies, with lines like that inside instead of “fortunes”.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
6 years ago

@blax @SJF @Sentient, and others agreed on the earlier discussions re: women and subverting their choices via game. As much as we ascribe power to women to choose, based on 80/20 and your ability to DHV and exploit context, its def not a hard/fast rule, and its def not what you wannt think about right before you game. @Ya RE:infield footage, mayn if i had those powers smh, I’d be a menace! need to get back in the dojo (infield) Quick note on LTRs and the potentially FATAL, consequences of not understanding and internalizing this Game shit. Found out yesterday,… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

HABD and kfg – interesting points you make wrt how some cultural memes gain enough traction via the myriad of the multilevel feedback loops, (i.e – multilevel by way of the basic level = human minds, and alternate levels = other cultural memes, some more basic than others) that human minds begin to perceive these memes as sentient. A very deep and interesting point to ponder. It appears this way because, via the humans mind’s belief system (beliefs which are supported by memes), new modifying memes that are taken up for consideration (the human mind’s consideration is the critical agentic… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 years ago

@ludiamondz: about your coworker, if you haven’t yet, read this
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/26/whats-your-problem/

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
6 years ago

@sentient.. bull rings are def the fucking wurst..

oh yeah.. go Trump! lol FML. shit just got real.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

ludiam0ndz Don’t know all the details but some bish she was messing with apparently dumped him and he couldn’t take it. Bad and sad stuff like that is one big reason I keep hanging out in parts of the androsphere, because once in a while a man just as suicidal as that puts it off and does a search on “why is she leaving me” or some stuff like that, and they wind up…here, or elsewhere. Someplace where men can tell him he’s not the only one, and no woman is worth doing that over. I do not know if… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Wild Person
All this discussion requires a very nuanced approach.

No. It doesn’t.

The first step to wisdom is to call things by their right names – Lao Tzu and other men said that. Nuanced, complicated obfuscation is the opposite.

Your text is turgid and meandering because your thinking is wrong, because you refuse to empty your cup and consider that you might be wrong about something.

We have yet another report of a man blowing his brains out in a blue-pill “I’ll show her muh luv” suicide, and nuance is part of what put him there.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
6 years ago

@IAS.. yeah i recall reading that when i first found this blog (i think its on the best of articles list or somethin) shit is life or death indeed. SMFH, not that i was even that close to dude as Rollo, but just the fact that that i saw dude daily, shit hit closer to home than usual, especially over a bish! dude wasn’t even 45 i don’t think. To imagine that someone with his career success, money and looked decent, in good shape etc, to think that they could reach a point where some bish had them feeling that… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally Good questions… @Sentient “Damn man, where was that 30 minutes ago is all I can think” Solid FR, but what was your answer to this question? Was it just that you were blindsided or that you didn’t feel entitled to bust on her the way you did with the nosering girl? Or was it that the lack of green light feedback stopped you (see that Madison vid I posted a couple pages back)? What would you have done differently and how could you have been better prepared? What was going on internally with you that you felt comfortable with… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

KFG – LOL at that pic…

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

Dear Woman,beat me burn me and make me write bad checks.
Gag me with a fork!

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

Rollo re the Dear woman thing – once again it is matter of nuance: – “A commitment to becoming more conscious” – if that is taken to mean – a commitment to strive for more self-awareness – well that is something that everybody can profit from, (men and women alike), and in keeping with your own counsel Rollo – “Deep love”. The word love is usually meant as a cuckolded emotion all round. Best not to use the word because everybody means something different by it, and people change there meaning all the time. It is probably the original PC-meme.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“Your text is turgid and meandering because your thinking is wrong, because you refuse to empty your cup and consider that you might be wrong about something.” You are also angry or in denial or trying to bargain. And you rarely give us your frame or station in life so we can get why you are repeating the same stuff that no one here resonates with (or understands– like me). You did let us into your teenage existential crisis once, though. (And look how that turned out…..So I can understand your reluctance to cough up more…notwithstanding the desire/need for anonymity)… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Rollo if i was included in that ‘et. al.’ i must not have been clear on my point, bc i thought i was agreeing with you…lol… @kfg And ant looks like a simple, mindless robot, operating by simple, mechanical rules. An ant colony looks like a sentient being. exactly… that was my other example…lol…now layer a level of sentience onto the individual ‘ant’ and the efficiency of the ‘colony’ to ‘problem-solve’ its way to exploiting the potential resources available goes up exponentially… maybe it would have helped if i had added this:…’but that still doesn’t mean the FI is sentient…’… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Blax: “If anything about women appeared daunting, it is all in your mind. They have amazing advance PR.” Girl: Can’t touch this! Me: [touches this] Girl: [moans, grabs me] 20 mins later, reorganizing clothes: Girl: Wow, I didn’t expect that. Me: What do you mean? Girl: I guess I didn’t really know what I was gonna do before hand… They buy their own PR, it’s that excellent. Which leads us to Scray: “her nature is WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU SAY IT IS. “ Pretty much. So long as you realize that a lot of ‘what you say’ is really subtle… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

SJF – I have fashioned a life for myself, for awhile now, for which the luxury of contemplation is finally available. Otherwise I am renovating my house. I live on my own, in my own house and enjoy that freedom immensely. I have already been open wrt to my previous relationships and current status in that respect. I have an extensive background in commercial real estate management and associated business management, and project management. I have a proclivity for philosophy. I consider myself a polymath. I am a few standard deviations above the mean iq-wise. I have many varied interests.… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Sentient

Something as easy as “oh you’re one of THOSE girls…” and a dismissive look can blow them wide open…

ever try that on the non-reactive girls?…lol

good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

HABD… you make a very good point. Noted.

Blaximus
6 years ago

“… I am a Canadian”

Eh Canada!!!!

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/funny-pictures-meme-gif/2015/10/Canadian-graffiti_1.jpg

Such nice people!!!

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

” I find the application of the Kubler-Ross DABDA shit repeatedly thrown my way by you, a little annoying and offensive truth be told.”

@Wildman

Why do you feel the need to redefine egalitarian when there’s already a perfectly fine word for what we talk about? Complementarianism.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Slight expansion on the above: I think girls often really don’t know how they’re going to react to an advance from a guy until he tries advancing. So you ask, ‘Do you want to kiss me?’ and their reaction is often confused blabbering like ‘I don’t know, why do you ask, what does this mean for us, I don’t know what to tell you,’ blah blah. Then you actually try to kiss her and she turns away or BAM makes out with you, no real uncertainty. She decides in the moment you escalate. Knew a pretty girl once, platonic relationship… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

This is relevant… least to me
http://www.vera.org/videos/richard-gartner-betrayed-as-boys

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Why do you feel the need to redefine egalitarian when there’s already a perfectly fine word for what we talk about? Complementarianism.”

Shimmer is a floor wax.
No! it’s a desert topping.

Wait! You’re both right.

His full model is egalitarian-complimentarian. Equal value on one level, differing but complimentary abilities on another.

And perhaps ‘From Each According To Their Abilities, To Each According To Their Needs.’

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

Andy – there are several interpretations of complementarianism (like the Churchian variety for instance), as I have already pointed out to Rollo (definitely more than once, probably a few times ) asking for the version he prescribes to (his writing does not make it clear which version) – but no answer. [More proof you don’t read or don’t care to: Complementarity] You know I do have good reason to come to the conclusion that Rollo “has a tendency to present an idea fashioned just nebulously enough so as to allow him to implement the idea in two ways that are… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Forge

” I think girls often really don’t know how they’re going to react to an advance from a guy until he tries advancing…

She decides in the moment you escalate.”

Doesn’t matter either way, whether she is deciding when you escalate or when she is the one escalating it is the same net net… she is swept up in the only truth she knows, the emotion of the moment. and the hamster will resolve everything else on an as needed basis for or against or back again.

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

Blax – Canada is sorta like the US without the guns close to hand (that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending upon your perspective). Canadian culture is contingent on American culture in a very big way (like the outcome of your next election, and the cultural discussion that the campaigns have fostered so far – in alot of ways this has more bearing on Canadians than our own politics do). Blax – no two ways about it – though there is alot to like and be proud about wrt to Canada – the US is the… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

I’ve got one glad hand and the other behind,you can have yours just give me mine.
If you think I like working hard all day just step in my shoes and take my pay.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient @Forge “”I think girls often really don’t know how they’re going to react to an advance from a guy until he tries advancing…She decides in the moment you escalate.” Doesn’t matter either way, whether she is deciding when you escalate or when she is the one escalating it is the same net net… she is swept up in the only truth she knows, the emotion of the moment. and the hamster will resolve everything else on an as needed basis for or against or back again.” Impossible. You guys don’t know what you’re talking about. I have been assured… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“my meaning is “the same but different” if you will”

My point is why do feel the need to use “egalitarian” all the time when EVERYONE ELSE would use complementarian to describe what you are saying. And you bring it up over and over again… You just seem hung up on it which is why SJF says you’re bargaining…

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

Andy – for the reason I already said. Rollo does not use the concept of complementarianism in a way the means what I have described as the egalitarian (which is in keeping with the original meaning of the word “egalitarian”, in any event)

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
6 years ago

@ WildMan, Thanks for defining your version of egalitarianism. Your comments had confused me thus far where i wasn’t sure what you were arguing for/against, its clearer now. “egalitarian = the belief that the perspective of the equal fundamental existential worth of individuals, which naturally predisposes one to a frame of mutual respect, is a worthy perspective wrt promoting trust and therefore cooperation as mitigated by discernment around the expectation of reciprocity in this regards” I disagree on the perspective of the equal fundamental existential worth of everyone, even after you qualify/hedge with the expectation of reciprocity. Main reason is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” “Men and women are fundamentally equal even if this ‘equality’ manifests differently in men and women” which to me doesn’t actually make sense . . .”

The concept is essentially metaphysical. It has no objective instantiation.

” . . . though it sounds nice.”

Which is how he basically phrased it above. “Wouldn’t it be nice if . . .?”
He is appealing to consequences. In this case on both sides, because if it is not so his sanity may be in jeopardy.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

WIld Person
I have fashioned a life for myself,… I am renovating my house. I live on my own, in my own house and enjoy that freedom immensely. I..I..I..my..I..I

And never a single Field Report. Why? What could the reason possibly be?

SJF – I find the application of the Kubler-Ross DABDA shit repeatedly thrown my way by you, a little annoying and offensive truth be told.

Many men in the anger phase respond that way.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Wild Person
Rollo does not use the concept of complementarianism in a way the means what I have described as the egalitarian (which is in keeping with the original meaning of the word “egalitarian”, in any event)

Right, Rollo keeps on using his definition, which has application in the real world, and rejecting your 1970’s 2nd-stage Feminist touchy-feely glop that has been an epic FAIL in the real world.

Now, why do you suppose is? What could be the reason?

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“And never a single Field Report. Why? What could the reason possibly be?”

Yeah. I want to thank Wildman for playing the qualify to me game. But all I really wanted to ferret out was whether he was getting laid with all that blue pill proto-type philosophy he is spitting out here.

Ludiam0ndz
Ludiam0ndz
6 years ago

@kfg true, I see the difference he is saying that egalitarianism as he defines it, is a worthwhile perspective, (nice to have) vs this is how it actually is irl.

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Sentient, YaReally HABD and all….. One of my plates has been amping up the shit tests and it’s been interesting seeing how far I need to amp up the asshole…I’m surprising myself. The other day she texted me about why I didn’t come out to a Latin class I’d recommended her to attend. Me: I’m in bed baby…biz trip early tomorrow….meet you Friday Her: I’m not going to dance with you…because you stood me up At that point I had to scratch my head. I didn’t think we’d made plans or maybe she thought we did….either way…the ultimatum rubbed me… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

ludiamondz Let’s start with your last comment first: “Men and women are fundamentally equal even if this ‘equality’ manifests differently in men and women” which to me doesn’t actually make sense, though it sounds nice. lol.” There has already been discussion here with respect to measure of “g” and perhaps other intellligence measures beyond what “g” measures, that bear out a normative similarity wrt to gendered intelligences, however the component skills associated with “g” are somewhat different, and furthermore there is wider distribution curve wrt to men vs. woman (more male outliers on both ends). So women inferior in what… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZLEeuxrb-0

Yareally… shit is getting real… LOL

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

I wonder if my suspension has expired…I will send a test dispatch to see.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

“She’s just seeking attention…”
___common internet shibboleth

“Show me one who walks amongst men and seeks no attention; and I will show you a being who has abrogated their individuality; indeed, their very essence.”
___Karen

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

But all I really wanted to ferret out was whether he was getting laid with all that blue pill proto-type philosophy he is spitting out here.

To ask the question is to know the answer.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The concept of “authority” is entirely illusory…it is an artificial construct w/o any foundation in nature.

The exercise of “authority” cannot be accomplished w/o the concurrent presence of its diabolical cousin; violence or the threat of violence.

Those who believe that they have some right to exercise “authority” are suffering from a mind rife with delusion; those who allow themselves to be subjected to “authority” suffer from a slave mentality and an equally unbalanced psyche.

YaReally
6 years ago

@walawala “Her: I’m not going to dance with you…because you stood me up” I usually just send “lol” to those “trying to punish me by framing herself as a prize that I’m not allowed to have” shit-tests. Nice and simple and ambiguous. @Sentient lol that vid is a good example of one of those situations where buddy could have walked away a thousand times (even left the party, ate some humble pie and took the reputation hit, etc). Classic “monkey dance” pattern: https://ymaa.com/articles/violence-dynamics If the asshole who got knocked out smacked his head on the sharp corner of some furniture… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Remember that the word “religion” is derived from the Latin *religare*…which, of course, means to bind…to tie…to restrain…(from advancement, from knowledge, from progress, and, most importantly, from freedom).

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The Princess Wrote: The concept of “authority” is entirely illusory…it is an artificial construct w/o any foundation in nature. The exercise of “authority” cannot be accomplished w/o the concurrent presence of its diabolical cousin; violence or the threat of violence. Those who believe that they have some right to exercise “authority” are suffering from a mind rife with delusion; those who allow themselves to be subjected to “authority” suffer from a slave mentality and an equally unbalanced psyche. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is an example that may prove illustrative: We are constrained from inflicting harm upon our neighbors. However, the State claims… Read more »

TheOldOligarch
TheOldOligarch
6 years ago

Wild man, you’re just trying to cover vapidity with logorhea. FYI, just because there are no universal standards of what’s better or worse(you don’t even need that g parenthetical argument, you can simply value retarded people more considering all values including ethics are arbitrary) doesn’t mean you can’t judge given your personal beliefs nor does it imply any form of equality. Your judgements don’t mean anything to me and are worthless insofar you have different values. You’re free to assign equal value to yourself and serial rapists, child molesters, people with mental issues, losers, welfare parasites, thieves, asylum frauds, Hitler,… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@YaReally thanks . Normally I reply with “k” but she’s started copying my text patterns so I had to amp up the asshole.

The punishment shit test is self sabotaging…now when I go out I have to soft next her and blank her.

The drama with some of these girls is draining. How should I act if I run across her again? Do i blank her or say hi and risk the pouty crap….?

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sentient- Been crazy, crazy busy at work. One of those days where you start to question ” what the fuck does it all mean…” LMAO. But I wanted to say something to ya a while back and got all sidetracked. When I attempt to speak to a woman, and I’m getting the ” answers with zero eyeball ” routine, ( If I’m not tired..) I will say something that I know is not expected. Many times chicks with bf’s will avoid eye contact with a ” strange dude “. Like you say, other times because they get hit on… Read more »

TheOldOligarch
TheOldOligarch
6 years ago

Karen, no, the delusional people are those who believe that they have rights(to anything), when the existence of those rights is merely a function of those with power regulating them. What’s real is the power and the authority that stems from it, not some illusory social contracts we call rights. How the heck is anyone with power delusional when they exercise authority? Because they should care about the moral condemnations of weaklings that ramble about rights? So what if they’d use violence or the threat of it? It’s comical adults believe all this bullshit just because it was said in… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The Princess Wrote: The concept of “authority” is entirely illusory…it is an artificial construct w/o any foundation in nature. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, some will argue that there is such a thing as “justifiable authority”. That, to me, is like dry water. [Your lazy short-form Reddit codes don’t work on WordPress pumpkin. Only code] The word justify (or justification) is derived from the Latin *iustificus*…which means to *make* right. Note that it does *not* mean *right* per se (as in correct). It means to *make* right. In other words, we may be doing something that has neither positive or negative ramifications…or distinctly… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

All opinions are rooted in subjectivity.

Virtually all subjectivity is rooted in either “how does this advance my agenda” or “whose ox is gored”.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

It would appear as if someone is trying to exercise their authority,in denying authority.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The Oligarch wrote: Karen, no, the delusional people are those who believe that they have rights(to anything), when the existence of those rights is merely a function of those with power regulating them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One will always have grave difficulty seeing things that they are not predisposed to see. A lifetime of indoctrination with one specific frame of reference is not easily abandoned. “Oh how difficult it is to free a slave from the chains which he reveres!” ____Voltaire A male on this website inquired what my motivation for posting here was. I will now answer: I wish to have… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Stuffy says:

It would appear as if someone is trying to exercise their authority,in denying authority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Since there is no *quid pro quo* being requested for services rendered; your claim is not grounded in reality.

I come as a light-bearer…you have the agency to either reject or embrace the philosophy I promulgate.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Blaximus comment will be welcomed for its commendable brevity. He is considerably handicapped by the fact that he has nothing to say.

Blaximus
6 years ago

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Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
6 years ago

@Wild Man I’ve been trying very hard not to give you short shrift re. your commentaries. You have a right to express your topic-related thoughts as long as they don’t devolve into useless, self-aggrandizing snark for which one is and should be summarily banned. (Hint) But I can’t crack your code. You make the Enigma Machine look like Simon in comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhVyt4q5HI Maybe I am being played the fool and your twisting dense, cryptic sentencing is a brilliant Beale Code, where I can find the answer to your points are in Chapter 10, para 3, line 21, word 7 in… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Lol. Ajax, I like you man.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Paraphrasing the caption on Blaximus “visual aid”, “I do not care”
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well of course you “care”. If you did not, no response would have been tendered. Face the facts, male; my opinion is *very* important to you.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

@Blaximus
There once was a man from Kent,his dick was so long that it bent,to save some great trouble he stuck it in double ,instead of cumming he went.

Blaximus
6 years ago

Well, I’ll just post up some thoughts and stories RE: Tattooed chicks. Sentient put it on my brain with the pierced chick thing. Generally, I’m not a fan of tats, but since practically everyone has them nowadays, they are not striking me as much. I still don’t get the whole body tat thing, but whateva. One of my first experience with a woman with multiple large tats, was with a Russian stripper. The club I worked at had a ” Brazilian ” night, and a ” Russian ” night. The Russian chicks were fucking Amazons. 5’9″ and up. Most of… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

I get annoyed when women show up here trying to vex and perplex. It is too damn boring and it winds up grinding the comments to a halt. just once, I wouldn’t mind seeing a woman commenter that actually addressed the topics at hand 100% honestly ( or as honestly as they are capable of..). that would probably be very interesting to all concerned. How any women can step out of their solipsism long enough to actually add value here? How many women can come into a male dominated space and not try to short circuit it? How many camels… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Pardon my foray into whiney bitchdom.

Blaximus
6 years ago

I miss @ Sun, btw.

just sayin’

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus
In 30-40 years, there’s gonna be some horrible looking people walking around, stretched out, unrecognizable tattoos.

Some people are already there. Friend of mine works in an E.R.
The other day he observed “Tats don’t age well” but didn’t go into any detail. Might be some “frequent fliers” involved.

He did mention tangentially just how glad he is to go home at end of shift to normal life.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

A strange thing with tats,my 6yo grandbaby,came home with a sheet of lick and stick tats that were given to her at kru for good behavior. Her mom didn’t see anything wrong with this.I pointed out they shouldn’t be selling body art to a bunch of pre adolescents. The chick with the fishook in her lip looks like the one that got away. Don’t want to be standing next to someone with nose piercings when they blow their nose. On the OP never heard of an EMS call for internet porn withdrawal,but there was a call for a woman with… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ AR ” Some people are already there. Friend of mine works in an E.R. The other day he observed “Tats don’t age well” but didn’t go into any detail. Might be some “frequent fliers” involved. ” It’s true. One of my coworkers married a broad ( divorced after 18 months…lol ) that was in her 50’s. She had a tat of an eagle across her entire back. Coworker proudly showed me a pic of her back tat one day ( which was odd enough ) and it was deformed by her sagging skin.The eagle appeared to have a broken… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Stuff

” On the OP never heard of an EMS call for internet porn withdrawal,but there was a call for a woman with a hamster stuck in her vag.”

Okay, some of y’all better scroll right now….

You’ve been duly warned….

Stuff, thanks to the WWW, it has been proven to me that these things are not just jokes or tall tales.

Hamsters, gerbils,goldfish, snakes, frogs.

Then there’s fists, fist-shaped dildos, beer and champagne bottles, Traffic cones, hair brushes and shampoo bottles and practically entire bedposts.

Ahhh, special snowflakes indeed.

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