Hollenhund had an interesting response to a question posed in last week’s post that I thought I might come back to here:
1) Why is there “yourbrainonporn” for men, and not “yourbrainonyourdildocollection” for women? “yourbrainoneroticnovels” “yourbrainon50shadesofgray” “yourbrainonTwilight” “yourbrainonhavingtoomanyorbiters” “yourbrainongettingtoomanymessagesinyourinboxonokcupid”? MEN are the ones that it’s a “problem” if they want variety. MEN are the ones that have to change. MEN are the ones that have to fight their biology. hmmm…I wonder why THAT is. Maybe to help create more Softeks, where the girl can cheat on her boyfriend with him and then shame him for looking at another girl
I doubt their goal is that specific. This new narrative about porn addiction being a public health problem is obviously seen by its supporters as yet further ground for political consensus between feminists and social conservatives. It’s not that feminists want to turn the porn industry, or what remains of it, into a political target again, it’s that they need a narrative that is aligned with the Feminine Imperative and moves public discourse about the mating market away from subjects they, and women in general, are very uncomfortable with.
As long as the mainstream media pushes this narrative about young men getting addicted to online porn and thus opting out of the mating market, it will largely stifle any public discourse about the popularity of female emotional porn (romantic literature), and also the real potential causes of widespread porn use, like the drop in average female quality on the mating market and unrestrained hypergamy. Social conservatives, feminists, and the majority of common folk will, of course, be happy to put all blame on men for any social problem, real or not. And it’s very obvious that porn addiction isn’t a problem they want to actually do anything about, it’s more like an excuse for women to whine and moan. Frankly I’m very skeptical about the whole issue of porn addiction, because if something just happens to perfectly fit into the Feminine Imperative, it’s probably no accident. And one wonders how much scientific evidence there actually is for it.
I’ve addressed the physiological and social associations of male masturbation in the past in The Pheromonal Beta, as well as Pathologizing the Male Sexual Response. The “lively” discussion about male masturbation in this week’s comments notwithstanding, the topic du jour in the Twittershpere also seemed to coincide with this topic.
Personally, I think the ‘moral’ dictates about jerking off follows evolutionarily pragmatic reasons for male shame in masturbation while female masturbation is an arousal cue and seen as a positive. Female masturbation is a cue for sexual availability while male masturbation is essentially a Beta Tell.
That’s the nuts and bolts of it from the bio-evolutionary perspective, but as with all other inherently male thumbscrews, the Feminine Imperative has long exploited the sociological implications of men’s need for sex. One thing that slips by relatively unnoticed with social conventions that serve the Feminine Imperative is that the same presumptions that would serve a masculine (in this case sexual) imperative are always shamed or stereotyped – that is until they come into a context that is useful to the feminine.
Sex Sells What?
“Sex sells” is a cliché that can be used in the positive for women, but it is always a negative for men. For women, sold sex in advertising, romantic literature, the meteoric popularity of ‘divorce porn’ for married women, or really any media that stimulates women’s sexual interests is always seen as positive, empowering and exceptional. Even if what their being sold is seedy or can have a potentially negative consequence, in a feminine-primary social order women ‘own’ sex from today’s social perspective. In other words, society at large is expected to defer to women on issues of sex and, by association, romance, love, etc.
Women can still be sold something or induced to buy a product or to adopt a mindset, but that article or the message that’s meant to be internalized is associated with the ‘positive’ of a sexual inference with women.
For men, male sexuality is always a negative association unless that sexuality is expressed in a way that complements women’s sexual strategy. Something being sold via sex to men is either seen as preying upon an inherent weakness (or dependency) for sex or it’s paired with ridicule for men being typical ‘pigs’ and they’re unable to dissociate sex from the objectification of women. So ingrained is this shame-association that men have adapted sexual competition strategies around it in order to identify better with women in the hopes they will be perceived as “not like other, typical, sex hungry men” and that their intimate interests are motivated by something more ephemeral that sex.
The social utility of this shame-association, of course, parallels the utility of Male Catch 22 for the Feminine Imperative, but there’s a useful duplicity for women in this inescapable shame of male sexuality. For instance, when women seek to convince both themselves and men that fat-acceptance and “changing the standards of beauty” should be men’s metric for wanting to fuck and pair with less desirable women, we see the usefulness of that duplicity. Men are useful in the perception that they’re sexually uncontrollable pigs for being so gullible as to allow “society” and advertising agency to define what they think is arousing. However, the Feminine Imperative will readily use (or attempt to use) that same weakness to exploit men into acting against their own, evolved, sexual best interests by selling them the ideal of accepting fat women as a new standard of beauty.
There are no feminine parallels for the pathologizing of the female sex response because those would simply be hindrances to women optimizing their Hypergamous imperatives. Why are there no “yourbrainonporn” sites for women? Why are there no XXXChurch equivalents for the ladies? Why are there no support groups for women ‘addicted’ to romance novels or divorce porn movies? Because that exclusively male pathologizing is only beneficial to the female sexual strategy.
This is the depth of control that the female-primary imperative seeks over men – that our most base biological, existential need should be distorted and psychologically molded by shame to the point of instilling lifelong neurosis and conditioning fear-based gender self-loathing to effect women’s sexual strategy above all other considerations.
I’ll quote the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies once more here: for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other’s must either be compromised or abandoned. Whether subtly instilled or publicly shame-conditioned, associating men’s sexuality with sickness or perversion, weakness, and disability, the underlying purpose is an effort in convincing men to abandon any claim to their own sexual imperative in favor of that of women’s.
Slut Shaming
If this seems like a sea change from the old order days when women were shamed for even the hint of promiscuity while men were lauded for their own sexual exploits, what you’re seeing is the societal shift to feminine social primacy. There was a time when sexual indiscretion was something that shamed women. Today, it’s almost laughable that there should be a need for a social convention like “slut shaming”. There is no such social referencing, but if men on whole can be put to shame for the belief that other men might still cling to older order reservations about women’s sexual exploits it serves to place women’s sexual strategy above that of men’s.
There is always the old standby – the horrible “double standard” about men banging a lot of women being heroes while women who bang a lot of men are sluts (“it sooooo unfair!”). This is a laughable, antique social convention in an era of slut walks and female-centric birth control, but it’s still the reflexive go-to trope when the mechanics of pathologizing men’s sexuality comes to light.
Sex-positive feminism has always been a two-edged sword for women. That positivity ‘fempowers’ women so long as they cling to the old order missives about the Patriarchy repressing that sexuality while it simultaneously disqualifies their complaints of it as Hypergamy becomes more and more openly embraced.
Ghosts in the Machine
Hollenhund continues for us:
YaReally and hoellenhund, you’re talking about all this VR porn stuff but isn’t this basically the same dynamic as prostitution? Same kind of alternative sexual relief (that is not your wife) and same reason why the FI shames prostitutes and men who use prostitutes etc..because they lower the “price” of sexual release..?
YeReally has already answered your question well, I’d say. He brought VR porn up, I didn’t, because I was observing the current situation, not something that only exists today as a potential future development.
I’d add that the dynamic is somewhat different. Apparently the state is willing to penalize prostitution, at least to a degree that makes it sufficiently risky and expensive for many men to avoid it, and the majority of women and their male bootlickers are willing to support political efforts to suppress it. Neither of that applies to pornography of any sort. Women will complain about it, they will support a narrative that portrays it specifically as a problem caused by men, but it’s not like anyone actually wants to make an effort to do something about it. Do you think any woman wants to date, or have sex with, a reformed porn addict? Do you think women want porn addicts to get out of the basement, get their shit together, and hit on women in order to get real-life sex?
For the record, I’m not going to deny that excessive masturbation is unhealthy, or that excessive porn use can elicit unrealistic expectations of sex in a mind of an inexperienced man. Anything should be done in moderation, that goes without saying. But the current public discourse on porn and its effects is complete BS.
I’ve forgotten where I saw the quote posted, so I’ll paraphrase it a bit (I think it may have been Illimitable Man), but there’s a new concept I read about how human beings’ experience of consciousness is now assuming a new, third, aspect – the immediate, the internal and now, the virtual.
The immediate experience is one in which you directly relate with people in real time. It’s you physically and vocally interacting with others. The internal is the conversations you have with yourself and both your conscious and subconscious interpretation of what you’re experiencing, learning, behaving, etc. (i.e. what you’re thinking).
However, the virtual (or digital) aspect of consciousness is something humans have only recently developed and are now on the cutting edge of really understanding. The virtual experience is what I’m doing now as I type this post. I’m relating to you what’s going on in my thought process (to the degree of which I’m aware of it) in a virtual medium. Virtual porn, virtual games, virtual shopping, etc., really anything you do in a digital realm is part of this new form of ‘being’.
Humans in 2016 experience things in ways that our forebearers could scarcely dream of. Our immediate and internal experiences are now being informed by out virtual experiences – in accelerated ways that I don’t think most people really appreciate. The Feminine Imperative is now fighting to establish a foothold in this virtual experience. Thus, we see efforts like GamerGate meant to lock down a control over how men will be allowed to experience this virtual reality. We also see the preliminary efforts to both socially and legislatively institute feminine-primary controls over yet to be developed possibilities of virtual experiences.
Jerking off to ubiquitous, free, online porn is one such experience that the Feminine Imperative has had to play catch-up to with regard to restricting men’s access to it. And thus, we get contingent social controls from the imperative to counter this lack. It’s not enough that men be shamed for their sexual response to online porn. The accessibility makes this impractical, but there’s really no ‘sales’ transaction for which men would feel their sexual “weakness” being exploited.
However, the counter to this then becomes making men’s sexuality itself a disease. “Porn Addiction”, sex addiction, in a religious context even ‘impure thoughts’ become a disease not to be cured, but to be managed by women – women’s definitions, women’s approvals and disapprovals, women’s sexual strategy interests.
And porn is just the tip of the iceberg with regard to the Feminine Imperative’s controls of men’s virtual experiences with women.
It isn’t hard to believe someone dumb enough to poke a hamster in there is also dumb enough not to have declawed it first.I mean stuck when I say stuck.
@Blaximus “I wouldn’t mind seeing a woman commenter that actually addressed the topics at hand 100% honestly” Cosign. But once again that backs up Rollo’s assertions time and time again (esp. every one in the Feminine Imperative category of essays). It is sad that even though all women are red pill in essence, they are either unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge their covert schemes language, imperatives and manipulation. Manipulation can be good in the right hands (i.e. when it results in the betterment of both men’s and women’s inter-sexual strategies and raises a great generation of children,– Lol… Read more »
There are plenty of cases of priapism,both from back injury and viagra.
Also note the same contradictions for nitro and viagra.
Well guys, don’t mention the name of the last hamster in a post. Pretty sure anything with her name is going into the
WordPress recycling binmoderation because Rollo banned her again.I just tried to post something three times. If you release it Rollo, release the last version I typed.
@ stuff ” There are plenty of cases of priapism,both from back injury and viagra….” Lol. Before, I would’ve never made this connection. I have a herniated disc, and when it was at it’s worse, I’d get these raging boners for hours on end. So I’d bang the wife, even though my back was killing me and the clicking noises from my spine could clearly be heard. She thought I was a tough, yet loving man. I was just trying to bust a nut so that my rod would deflate and I could get some sleep. Even orgasm would not… Read more »
Withdrawal from alcohol or methadone can be fatal.other drugs can also have serious physiological and psychological withdrawal symptoms.
Withdrawal from digital porn is usually prompted by the condition of ED,also a side effect of many life saving drugs and fat ugly mouthy women.
Herniated disc super stud right there with you man.
@ stuff
inversion table has been a God send. No more problems. Invert a few times a week and I am like new.
Avoiding the knife at all costs.
Blax Good story in the store… some good things to use there… State is vitally important no doubt… I’m a firm believer in state and state transfer, but it does take conscious thought and action to “get” in state. Once there, so much easier to riff and have a good frame. Crossed off list- realized that Russian strippers felt like Brazilian strippers, that felt like Venezuelan strippers that felt like Pennsylvanian strippers, etc. etc. etc. LOL. Here is one routine to use on asian girls… You:I’ve never been with a [Korean] girl… I hear they are… different…. uh…. down there…… Read more »
Blax
” There are plenty of cases of priapism,both from back injury and viagra….”
Another one… a good one when IN state “well… I’ve had an erection lasting more than four hours and didn’t call a doctor”
” Another one… a good one when IN state “well… I’ve had an erection lasting more than four hours and didn’t call a doctor””
Lmfao. Truff.
Ya going for back surgery,is like getting divorced no one i know of has had good results.
Ibuprofen or ketoprofen are my miracle cures for pain and swelling.
I may get one of those upside down tippy traction tables tried out my friends and it works.
@ stuff
I fully endorse the tables. You don’t have to go fully upside down. Just a few degrees can often do the trick
True on the Ibuprofen. Swelling is a definite issue. So are any muscle spasms in the back or even the hamstrings.
I stretch like a mad man almost daily, and whenever I find myself trapped in a chair behind my desk.
The city I grew up in,had three military bases,dance halls,prostitutes and xxx theaters were everywhere.With the disproportionate ratio of men to women this was seen as a necessity for rape prevention. That is all cleaned up now,hidden in massage parlors,first amendment book stores and online porn and prostitution.Also the city has grown and more proportionate now. The oldest profession,always raises the question of the chicken or the egg and witch came first.when really you can’t have a john without a hooker and vice versa. One time these two vice cops male and female tried to slap the cuffs on each… Read more »
@wala “Me: I’m in bed baby…biz trip early tomorrow….meet you Friday Her: I’m not going to dance with you…because you stood me up At that point I had to scratch my head. I didn’t think we’d made plans or maybe she thought we did….either way…the ultimatum rubbed me the wrong way.” lol fuck her and that stupid fucking class i’d probably just not respond and soft Next for a bit for giving me attitude and then hit her up in a few weeks. of course the irateness and whatever would flare up for like two secs and i’d just be… Read more »
@Blax
Slow typing and slow feed on comments,am definitely going to get inversion table,prostitution wasn’t my response to you,rather OP.
The oldest profession,always raises the question of the chicken or the egg and witch came first
Pretty sure the john comes first, but I’m just guessing.
@walawala The punishment shit test is self sabotaging…now when I go out I have to soft next her and blank her. The drama with some of these girls is draining. How should I act if I run across her again? Do i blank her or say hi and risk the pouty crap….? Interesting to see your thought processes on the texting. Useful to pass shit tests. But don’t you think you are overthinking it? Passing a shit test isn’t about giving a certain response that is calibrated to the girl and what she needs. It’s about doing what YOU want,… Read more »
@AR
Weel of course he cums first in most cases and he should come first if he’s paying.
But did he go out offering money to random women in exchange for favors or did he proposition only to get a counter proposition?
@walawala, “Just Be Yourself” can be red pill advice. Or it can be blue pill advice.
It’s only blue pill if yourself is not selfish.
You can run on autopilot, if your autopilot is plugged in to your inner caveman.
Just be your authentic true self is red pill advice. Once you have enough experience with passing shit tests, it’s counter productive to over-think how to do it. Do what YOU want. And the shit tests pass themselves.
Ya going for back surgery,is like getting divorced no one i know of has had good results. All the stretching, inversion table, Yoga this and that, physical therapy drills, they are all slow fixes. They don’t work right away. But there’s a huge body of knowledge out there on slow cures for chronic pain, and frankly I’d go through every single one of them I could find before even thinking about getting cut. Costs money? So what. Sell something. Take a part time job. Whatever, get more money. Cause you ain’t getting any body parts back once they cut, right?… Read more »
@scray. Right. I soft Nexted her two weeks ago and clearly she didn’t like it and is now pushing back on flimsy premises…shit tests fast and furious.
I haven’t lost my cool and have agreed and amplified or just gone silent. This ultimatum was something I hadn’t faced in some time and an asshole move was called for.
In retrospect radio silence would have been better.
Thanks
She’s still a pain in the back ain’t she?
@xsplat. Interesting perspective on JBY…
I think congruency is more concise.
My response was congruent with how I’ve been all along..:confident…no tolerance for crap…
She’s been in my frame either chasing or trying to get me to chase.
In all situations I’ve kept my cool and kept it light. She’s been flipping out and sperging.
In fact all the girls I’m banging get spergy….want to see me…get me gifts…go silent for no reason.
@Walawa I have to simply lol at your consternation. Congratulations. You can pass shit tests while spinning plates in a STR. (bear with me. I am by no means being judgmental…..and this is only my opinion….and I may be wrong). The thing is, because you have been successful at PUA, you are getting into relationship game. A second stage of relationship game is her getting to use you. For stuff and your time and attention. The girl shit testing you to go to dance is TRYING TO GET YOU TO SERVE HER PURPOSES. This is one step beyond passing shit… Read more »
“In all situations I’ve kept my cool and kept it light. She’s been flipping out and sperging.
In fact all the girls I’m banging get spergy….want to see me…get me gifts…go silent for no reason.”
Wtf are you talking about? Spergy? How do you figure Spergy? I didn’t know that women could have Aspergers. Can they? Come on Walawala you need to have better psychological diagnoses than that. Women are people too, you know. Lol.
@SFJ good read on this. Each of the girls is in a different frame of mind. Some are cool to just go with the flow…see me whenever, chill. Some have resigned themselves that if they want to see me, it’s on my terms. This one I write about is resisting…so it’s a lot of “do you miss me?” “open up to me….” “I’m not dancing/meeting/banging/whatever you because XYZ” She wants to take control but at the same time wants to be controlled…and therein lies the dilemma. She likes the challenges I’ve set up but wants to set up a series… Read more »
@walawala This girl is definitely into me…even though I haven’t seen her for 2 weeks due to my own busy schedule. SJF quoted and then paraphrased the Practical Female Psychology book that at this stage you need to work hard to do your main job, which is to keep her well sexed. Instead you are focusing on what texts messages would manage her texts messages, and who is winning the frame war. If you are only seeing her infrequently, logistics is the problem, more than what you say on text messages. I had a friend in Thailand who I once… Read more »
@xsplat Interesting….But logistics are a problem…I’m a busy dude on the move. That’s why I have 3-4 on the go at any one time…Also…not seeing them does keep them interested.
But hypergamy is a factor…they’ll always start sniffing around outside and that’s when I drop them and move on.
@walawala, it sounds like you are trying to run some hybrid mixture of pump and dump with LTR game. I have no experience with that. I’m only familiar with LTR game. I can’t imagine what it would be like to try to keep a girl in orbit without giving her the LTR attention that she craves. I kinda doubt that can actually work. Girls get itchy. They have needs. Even if she does see you on your limited schedule, perhaps because to her you are way higher status or more interesting than her other suitors, you have to assume she’s… Read more »
But hypergamy is a factor…they’ll always start sniffing around outside and that’s when I drop them and move on. You might be misusing the word hypergamy here. Are you losing the girls to other men because the other men are higher value than you? Or are you losing them because you are not fucking them enough? In a way, yes, it’s hypergamy. You can’t be a high value man if you can’t fuck her enough – even if the reason for that is logistics. So the conclusion I would draw is that if you prefer not to have them sniff… Read more »
Using my own life as an example, last year I had four girls that I was dating in the same city. I had set up three of them with month by month apartments, and the fourth lived with her brother. At times I exclaimed out loud in exasperation “This is like a full time job!” On many days I would do a circuit between all of the girls apartments. Even when one was sleeping over, I still went to have brief visits with others, during my “going to the gym” time, or in the middle of the night. As soon… Read more »
“Walawala, it sounds like you are trying to run some hybrid mixture of pump and dump with LTR game.” Xplat is spot on. And I have been liking what he is writing. Imagine that. You’re a good man Xplat. @Walawa Go back and read tonight’s things that I commented on tomorrow and reread them. I don’t think you “got it”. Also wait for what YaReally says. Keep in mind you have a busy schedule and you have your mission. NO ONE IS SAYING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU. Pump and dump. STR. ITR. LTR. NO ONE CARES. You decide. But… Read more »
@ YaReally @Rollo Tomassi New subject. An acquaintance of mine (dyed in the wool red pill) wanted me to bring up this “new article” from The Daily Caller entitled “Across The Country, Universities Look To Mainstream Polyamory” for thoughts by you. http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/02/across-country-universities-look-to-mainstream-polyamory/ I’m sure you polyamory guys would jump on it (but I am not judging you at all). However my thoughts. 1. True red pillers spinning plates would not talk about fight club on campus. They would just be discreet. 2. LGBT or who the fuck seem to be propagating this stuff via the supposed journalist that talks about… Read more »
Telling others about your big goals makes them less likely to happen, because it creates an unconscious payoff—tricking our brains into thinking we’ve already accomplished the goal. Keeping our big goals to ourselves is one of the smartest goals we can set. This is parallel to the conclusions that were done about the effects of visualizing (business, not sports) success. You wind up feeling sated, and therefore work LESS hard. I’ve explained this dozens of times, but people are addicted to the good feelings that come from motivation exercises. If you want success, AVOID good feelings. Be stressed. Have need.… Read more »
“If you want success, AVOID good feelings. Be stressed. Have need. You need to not feel sated.
You also need tremendous optimism and vision. You don’t need to feel good about what you WILL accomplish.”
Spoken like a Meyers-Briggs INTJ personality.
You don’t desire that path. YOU DO THAT PATH BY DEFAULT. And it works.
I think Stoicism is a little more on point on how you phrased that.
Low downside. High Upside because of Optionality.
BTW,
@Anonymous Reader
did you happen to finish reading Nassim Talebs “Antifragile” in this regard?
@xsplat wrote: “Using my own life as an example, last year I had four girls that I was dating in the same city. I had set up three of them with month by month apartments, and the fourth lived with her brother.” Seriously? So what you’re saying is you’ve spent over $3k/month (even presumably in a typical shitty mid-tier city market) for the three and the fourth is using her brother as a buffer to countermand your desire to be her sugar daddy, “me act so hawney but me really want nice Asian boy like brother-san instead of big daddy.”… Read more »
@Ajax. Did that feel good? I suspect you were more after the feel good hit, than the truth. I suspect you “questions” were just statements, couched as questions. You also didn’t ask me if I could easily afford the money that I spend on the girls. No question like “what percentage of your money”. It doesn’t matter to you how much the money mattered to me. But in answer to your quesion: The girl I’d known for five years was up in a $100 per month apartment in Bali. I did not pay for her food or any other expenses.… Read more »
Oh, and the money that I do spend is HEAVILY ridiculed by ALL the girls, as extra-ordinarily and OUT FUCKING RAGEOUSLY too little.
It is an order of magnitude less than what is expected, by LOCAL standards, for local men to pay.
All the girls friends lose their fucking minds when they hear what a penny pinching miser I am.
And needless to say the girls get offers for MUCH more financial rewards, all the time. Sometimes a few times a day, just by walking down the street.
Am I worried? Go ahead and ask me.
Should read “HEAVILY ridiculed by ALL the girls friends”
Every girl I’ve ever dated has her friends rag and rag and rag on them dating me. “He’s too old! He’s too ugly! He doesn’t give you any money! You are crazy to be with him! Are you fucking insane? Leave him right now! Go see this other boy and this other man!”
Actually, I pay a few orders of magnitude less than the girls are regularly offered. And the girls have friends that get paid easily 100 times more than I “pay”. They could easily accept the same cars and houses and several thousands of dollars per month plus gifts that are offered to their friends, from suitors that are on their phones. All attractive girls are going to get attractive offers. You are welcome to come out here and try to convince my girls what a bad catch I am. Others have tried. Go for it. Others have come out here… Read more »
@xsplat
@xsplat
Ah, thank you. Light bulb. Bali. Nuff said. We finally know the truth.
And to think I made the foolish assumption you subsidized these young ornamentals CONUS (which would have eventually eroded with each passing year of western cultural assimilation.)
Not dissing your SE Asia setup, man. Works for you.
Kudos. Cheap ass cost of living and you are the “rich” American.
Brilliant move. You have created your own self-perpetuating sex tourism trip.
Unfortunately for many of us who want to get laid multiple times weekly, that setup is not feasible.
Walawala is also in Asia, as I understand. Yes, for many people being in SEA equates with sex tourism, and there is no evidence that could ever be offered that would prove the situation differently. If that makes you feel better, then fine. Every man in SEA (regardless of ANYTHING) is a sex tourist, has always been, and always will be. And yes, it is way way way easier to date in places where your value is relatively higher. Location is huge. Imagine a big shot new york banker moving into the trailer park. It’s not just about SEAsians Vs… Read more »
@xsplat
You’ve convinced me. I’m in. $100 per is all I need?
Set me up with 10. They will think I am goddamn Bill Gates after I relocate.
It shouldn’t be difficult for you to ignore all the evidence to the contrary. Even if I used a bullhorn in your ear and spray painted the words in big block letters on your living room wall, you will never be capable of acknowledging the implications of any evidence if it’s contrary to your current view. That’s a good thing. Hold on to your current view as if your life depended on it! Don’t worry, you have no risk of hearing that the 23 year old was a virgin when I met her, tried twice to break up with me… Read more »
You’ve convinced me. I’m in. $100 per is all I need? Set me up with 10. They will think I am goddamn Bill Gates after I relocate. If that is your mindset, you will wind up like 95% of all other westerns out here. You’ll wind up with darker skinned, older, and uglier girls. Who will tool you like it’s their business. Like I said – come out here and see for yourself. Look what the westerners walk around with. Look what the westerners do. Find out what goes on on the ground – what the sexual marketplace is and… Read more »
In case that was confusing, two of my four girls were virgins when I met them. At least three of the four count as young and hot, confirmed objectively by others. Probably most men would count the 4th as hot also. Hot enough that they can and could and everyone says absolutely should do better than me. People freak the fuck out when the see us together. If I’m not getting hate stares from old ladies in the shopping mall, I’m doing it all wrong. The most devotion comes from the girl that I made pay her own way. She… Read more »
In Bali I was supporting two and 1/2 girls (only apt for one). Today I only support 1 of the four. They still all show up within minutes of a phone call.
Woops – in Bali 1 and 1/2 girls out of four supported. Two paid their own way (one with profit) and one paid her own food and clothes. Today one out of four supported.
Kinda Freaky how CarRen popped outta nowhere?!? WM, thanks for the response I guess. I still struggle to make head or tail of what you’re talking about. Seriously, i’ve read your response several times yesterday and this morning (thought i was too fatigued yesterday,) and shit still barely makes sense. It seems you concede that aside from strength and g? (i’d add and testosterone and ability to separate feelings from reality,) men and women are sorta the same? i mean.. we’ve already outlined four main differences so isn’t the point moot already? contradictory? Then you continue to a “we are… Read more »
Basically what Ajax Parallax said lol, glad i’m not alone in that feeling..
@blaximus, re: tats/strippers/russian. Dying of Laughter over here. reminds me of this one Russian chick in Dubai (Dubai is full of Russians weirdly enough)
@Wildman
What do you make of the fact that everyone here comes to the same conclusions… except you?
“You’re bogged down in this spaghetti of multi syllabic words and it seems you’re tryna confuse folks by just being inscrutably verbose.”
It’s called “squid ink.”
@ Rollo
You are seriously fucked up and in need of psychotherapy.
What’s with giving Emily the psych pass? She’s just a standard hypocrite.
@ Andy
What do you make of the fact that everyone here comes to the same conclusions… except you?
We’re not wild enough, lol.
@Rollo, @all My initial thought on your post was that men are the problem, of course. Std FI frame by the SJWs. Men have problems, but ignoring women’s problems is a recipe for disaster. InsanityBytes and I agree that men have problems. She thinks that if men just fix our problems, women will necessarily follow. There’s one killer argument against her position. Jesus Christ has no problems, yet most women don’t follow Him. IB has no counter to this. So the FI Christians are following an impractical strategy at best and are possibly heretical, from a Prod PoV. From a… Read more »
Da Bimbo wrote: my opinion is *very* important to you.
Got my popcorn popped and am enjoying the show.
@Wildman
I will say your link with your discussion with Slavic wife was interesting..
Karen, exactly, vapid tarts like you seem to have difficulty distinguishing the real world from a civics class. Sucks to be stuck in an illusory frame of reference that doesn’t exist outside the heads of delusional fools.
A few years ago Walawala was often complaining about Western women. I put forth my opinion that there were not as many differences as he assumed, and he shot back at me that my experience was irrelevant to his. I had not been in the West for 10 years, and the West had changed since then, so I was no authority about dating in the West. Eastern girls had different rules. Now that he is out East, he is mum about any differences. Does Walawala ask for Asian specific dating advice? No. He has started to broaden his experience. He… Read more »
@ASD
“InsanityBytes and I agree that men have problems. She thinks that if men just fix our problems, women will necessarily follow.”
Yes.
She uses ideology, while you use praxeology. She speaks of how things ought to be, not how they are. You, a man, “does” (things). She feelz her way along.
Great comments. Ajax and Lu, I woke up and looked at the comments, and both of you gave me my first lol of the day. Always start the day with a smile a laugh, and a positive attitude. So. We still on the SEA poosy paradise? Okay cool. I’m not gonna hate on xsplat’s explanations. In the final analysis, dude is content and making life work for him, and that’s the bottom line. I am pretty sure that I wouldn’t move to another country for ass ( not sure that was xsplat’s sole motivation ) but I have flown across… Read more »
@walawala @all What the fuck did I miss that all you relationship guys (and my favorite “asian girls are wired differently than other girls, but I’VE found the secret!!! Just buy them an apartment” expat xsplat who’s got a raging hardon over rubbing some waaaay exaggerated comeuppance over walawala lol) are jizzing your pants for 50 posts trying to get walawala to marry this chick who’s just giving him a standard shit-test lol Did I miss him saying somewhere “I really really like this one guise, she’s not like the others, she’s SPESHUL, my heart would be broke if she… Read more »
@SJF The point of something like that is 100% to teach betas to be comfortable getting cuckolded. Alphas are going to do what they want and don’t need permission from some gender studies course, there’s no Alpha dude going “golly, I never considered this polyamory stuff before but now that I have the approval of Trigglypuff and Caitlin Jenner, I’m going to try it out!” And girls will always do whatever they want and chase whatever gives them good feels and then backwards rationalize it lol That course is just part of Open Hypergamy and training betas to accept their… Read more »
@ YaReally, Lmao. My boy that goes to Brazil routinely comes home exclaiming what a dumb shit I am for not taking advantage of the massive quantities of amazing pussy in Brazil. I offered to introduce him to Brazilian chicks that lived a stone’s throw from his home, but he rejected the notion in favor of ” teh culturez ” or Sao Paulo. Favellas???? Poverty??? He gives zero fucks because pussy juice is in his eyes, blurring his vision. Chicks are chicks. Poorer chicks are a bit easier if you have status above them, which isn’t hard. I could roll… Read more »
YaReally Got it. Re the alleged news article. Same exact interpretation that my buddy gave me when he said: And it goes well beyond campus life. Regardless of whether females “don’t want to be known for polyamory”, women privately love love love this shit. It’s what they actually feel and what they do, not the nonsense that comes out of their mouths. He quoted me SJF: “True red pillers spinning plates would not talk about fight club on campus.” Young men, esp those with options, don’t give a shit at all about this. It’s the women that are pushing this… Read more »
“t’s like watching guys brag that they’ve found the secret, just pay Candy on the streetcorner and she’ll love you, if she charges you less than the other guys then it’s Twue Wuv, everyone go hit the street corners ” “And the odds are high that there will be a hooker or two in the bunch….” Reminds me of the story of the middle aged guy and the young hottie, out for a drink… Guy:”would you fuck me for a hundred dollars?” Girl:”Ewww… Perv. I’m not a whore you sicko” Guy:”How about a hundred thousand?” Girl:”well that’s different” Guy:”Now that… Read more »
@YaReally, all: You know, for the life of me I didn’t get what was irking Xplat so much, until I went back over Fempowerment again: I get that. I understand the want for a Poosy Paradise or some promised land where women are still raised to respect and love men by being conventionally feminine. I also get that there exist certain cultures where this is still true, but for all of that, I think it’s important to recognize the social undercurrent that the Feminine Imperative exercises in these cultures. A popular meme on Twitter is ‘Feminism is Cancer’, but there’s… Read more »
@Blaximus @Sentient Like I say, I don’t really care what other guys do with their life. For a Thrill of the Hunt guy I enjoy actual pickup/sarging and don’t care much about keeping the same girl around for years. A Pleasure of Sex guy might find the easy route more appealing, and that’s totally fine if that’s what he wants to do and he’s aware of what he’s doing. But when one of those guys comes around bragging about game and this super secret special unicorn game they’ve figured out where they buy chicks and literally admit that they don’t… Read more »
@Rollo “You know, for the life of me I didn’t get what was irking Xplat so much” Everything irks him lol From day one when I first came into the manosphere the dude’s entire post history and blog is based around making everything he does seem super special and mysteriously unique and only for advanced enlightened souls who do and like and think everything he does. I meet guys like that all the fucking time…in real life you just laugh at them, but on the internet they can build a following. I promote PUA all the time, but even Tyler… Read more »
We got into the exact same debate in Domain Dependence: https://therationalmale.com/2014/12/23/domain-dependence/ Like I said in that post, I have no doubt Xplat enjoys his mLTR lifestyle in SE Asia, but his success there is still dependent on social variables that facilitate it. It’s a great gig I’m sure, Good Looking Loser and Vic Pride enjoy it too, but it’s undeniable that the socioeconomic environment is a huge factor in that ‘success’. So when it’s suggested that that environment might be subject to the FI’s creeping influence it threatens the domain that guys like Xplat are dependent upon. Fortunately SEA is… Read more »
sjf
did you happen to finish reading Nassim Talebs “Antifragile” in this regard?
Not yet.
Interesting an self reinvention and breaking away from porn.
http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2016/03/zen-master-entrepreneurship/
@Blax.. penis punch a cervix..lmao gonna drop that on a chic this weekend. re: brazil, i’ve been there mayn your friend isn’t lying. Blax imagine a tall (5’10), toned, mocha skinned chic with curly black hair to her waist with Green eyes and shit. With a phat butt. You would fucking luv that shit dude, go with your boy just one trip.. just to see lol, betcha you drop some Reals. Round trip flights aren’t crazy expensive in advance either. Maynnnn Rio. It was a magic trip indeed. I feel you tho, there is crazy variety here stateside already (at… Read more »
Rollo “You know, for the life of me I didn’t get what was irking Xplat so much” Anonymous age 60-something told a lot of stories back on the old Spearhead about what the 80’s and 90’s were like for divorced men. He stated that in every group for frivorced men that he’d ever run, it was inevitable that some AMOG wannabe would come along from time to time and loudly complain “You’re doing it all wrong!”. These men didn’t have an alternative, they didn’t want to lead (accept responsibility) they just wanted to AMOG. One thing I’ve noticed over the… Read more »
YaReally
That course is just part of Open Hypergamy and training betas to accept their role as cuckolded Providers.
AF-BC, and SJF’s friend’s reply is pretty good.
So I’m still going to push that article into a few people’s faces, because anyone over 35 who isn’t around the under 25’s is living in a bubble.
The same old “ought” vs. “is” argument, basically.
well at least Xsplat is getting by on the cheap
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-herzer-redstone-expenses-20160505-snap-story.html
$150 MILLION…!
C’mon, Sentient, do the math. Xspat shells out a couple hundred a month for his girlies, Sumner Redstone doled out $150 million over some period of time. What percentage of Xsplat’s income is he paying out? What percentage of Redstone’s income – not wealth, mind you – did he ladle out? Could likely be that Redstone got off cheaper than Xspat is, in percentage terms. And what diff? Redstone’s all over the papers because of divorce that blew up over stuff one of his mistresses said to the press, if I remember right. Xsplat’s not going to get into that… Read more »
Happy Cinco De Mayo day everyone! Significant for the fact that it celebrates Mexico beating the shit out of France with a hell of a lot fewer troops in battle. Also the last time any European military force tried to invade an American continent country. (1862) Also significant as my wedding anniversary. But that is another good, boring story. On the drive home from work just now I happened to listen to the audio version of LAW #24. I never previously understood what the significance of playing the perfect courtier really meant. I just now found it simply means having… Read more »
@ ludiam0ndz Yup, those Brazilian chicks are some of the hottest I’ve ever seen. Fortunately for me there are 3 cities close by to me that are majority Brazilian. Just walking into a Burger King and seeing the chicks behind the counter in these areas is like ” DAMN WTF!!!!!?????”. I have a few open invites to go to brazil. Strippers I know that moved back after visas ran out ( and ICE invited them to leave ). I spend much time in Puerto Rico, and those babes aren’t slouches either. Lol. I can go whenever I want because we… Read more »
@Blax & @SJF A woman can’t really come here to participate in the topical discourse. We are presumed incapable of seeing past solipsism and hamstered rationalizations. Our posts get tallied for how many times we use “I, me, my, mine” or use anecdotal or personal evidence. It leaves any woman intellectual enough to potentially contribute unable to *actually* contribute anything. If we provide the feminine perspective, we are talking about ourselves, and are called on #solipsism. If we generalize and only discuss the subjects from a broader perspective, we provide *nothing* that the men already here aren’t saying, and saying… Read more »
that seems legit
“…that guy NEVER ends up, in the moment when someone attacks him on the street or pulls a gun on him or someone steps up to him when he isn’t expecting it, reverting to his instincts and chickening out or backing off or ducking up into a defensive huddle or freezing up in fear etc instead of doing, in a highly charged moment of emotional impact, what he said he would do in a logical rational moment.” here, gentlemen, are the words of someone who has never felt the adreneline rush. and who has never had a someone or a… Read more »
@ Hopeless
If we provide the feminine perspective,
Try not doing that…try to be objective, or, better yet, imagining yourself to be a man. There was a woman who wrote a book about her year as a man–try reading that.
@ Hopless… A woman can come here to join discussions, but she can’t have a thin skin, or adversarial attitude. Many times when discussions get a little heated, Rollo will post a link to a previous article that will explain in greater detail whatever dynamic that happens to be the topic of discussion. hose articles provide much better understanding, IF a woman is willing to open her mind to what men see and understand as truth via experience. I’d LOVE to see a woman come here for once, and just drop any and all pretense. O know it’s possible because… Read more »
@YaReally wrote: “These arab prince dudes are using like 0.0000000000001% of their wealth to fly these girls there and buy them brand name purses and shoes and let them poop on them, so are these guys the ultimate “playas” to the SEA crowd? Because they’re running the same strategy, but with bigger numbers and hotter girls who don’t speak in broken ESL lol” Be careful, YaReally. I now fully expect you will summon some PU blogger out there (there seem to be no limits to the numbers and varieties) because you shat on their “Poop Game Theory.” Where the last… Read more »
@Rollo “I’m pretty sure he misunderstood my intent with this passage. All I’m getting at here is that westernizing social primacy of the Feminine Imperative is spreading. Even Roosh has admitted as much about Poland and the Ukraine.” Yeah, but the fact that it touched such a raw nerve and set off a rant crossing two posts speaks volumes to his fragility, ego investment & validation seeking for his lifestyle choices. Anytime you get a reaction like this, you’ve found the chink in the armor, and he’s displayed it for all to see. Only thing left to do is drive… Read more »
A journalist’s provocative and spellbinding account of her eighteen months spent disguised as a man “Norah Vincent became an instant media sensation with the publication of Self-Made Man, her take on just how hard it is to be a man, even in a man’s world. Following in the tradition of John Howard Griffin (Black Like Me), Norah spent a year and a half disguised as her male alter ego, Ned, exploring what men are like when women aren’t around. As Ned, she joins a bowling team, takes a high-octane sales job, goes on dates with women (and men), visits strip… Read more »
” Anytime you get a reaction like this, you’ve found the chink in the armor, and he’s displayed it for all to see. Only thing left to do is drive the knife home.”
DAMN CHUMP!!! Chump went all Mortal Combat and shit…..
FINISH HIM!!!!!!!!
http://www.killthehydra.com/wp-content/uploads/mortal-kombat-keep-calm-finish-him1.jpg
Xsplat, what matters is how much what you spend on them is relative to their disposable incomes, not to yours. And I could go to Thailand and fuck like a king too. It’s not that particularly difficult to do it there, just like I find it funny when Western Europeans are impressed by the girls inin eastern Europe. You get couple of smv points simply because of that. She might see you as an useful idiot to finance her move to your country too. I don’t give a shit if men do this, but don’t brag about your experiences based… Read more »
@ASDGamer
The stimulus for my comment, posted above was:
“I wouldn’t mind seeing a woman commenter that actually addressed the topics at hand 100% honestly”
What value would be added with your advice of not providing a female perspective or remaining objective and thinking responding reacting as a man. Such participation would not serve as 100% honest, would it?
This simply is not a place for women to comment, past the rare attention grabber, troll, or living example.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-18PnLCtb8ns/VmBfA3jwOmI/AAAAAAAAC_8/Y0jCKKsGLFs/s1600/Pictures%2Bof%2Bbeautiful%2Bfitness%2BMuse%2BSue%2BLaforest%2B004.jpg
……You want large fries with that?
@YaReally The Agree and Amplify works well in most situations. What threw me off was the “ultimatum”. Now looking back on it in the context you put it in, ya, they like me a lot and are trying to get me to chase….pretty simple.
I think I still find it strange girls self-sabotage. How many times have things been going so well only to have the girl have a BPD melt-down and suddenly start accusing me of being the worst guy in the world only to suddenly break down and start chasing me when I shrug and walk away.
@fleezer “in a truly highly charged moment you are capable of and will execute actions you never contemplated but which are wired into your being as a man. your nervous system acts far more quickly than your logical brain. every man is far stronger than he thinks. a true adreneline rush is amazing and unforgettable and it only happens when your life or the life of someone you care about is really in danger prediction: five years from now this guy will still be posting here and talking about shit he has no experience in.” Oh god, you are the… Read more »
” Hey Blaximus tell us all how if you had an adrenaline dump you would actually kick the ass of your instructor and all the other boxers in your boxing gym with your inner Bruce Lee that would kick in and just unlock super fighting powers. Oh wait, what if those boxers get adrenaline dumps too, OMG THEN YOU’LL ALL FIGHT FOR ETERNITY, NEITHER SIDE ABLE TO LOSE BECAUSE OF YOUR MAGICAL ADRENALINE POWERS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING YOUR ASS BEAT!!!1111″ huh???? What did I do?? I’m not even in this convo. I’m minding my business here, cleaning my… Read more »
@Blaximus lol not targeting you, just using you as a recent example from your boxing stuff you shared. According to fleezer you would kick all those guys’ asses no problem with inhuman magic powers in a REAL fight, even if they were batting you around like a bunny in practice. …unless THEY get an adrenaline dump too and then who knows what happens…?? Can you tell us, fleezer? Also be sure to let us know how it’s possible that UFC doesn’t go an infinite number of rounds and tell us about how you’ll kick Mike Tyson’s ass if he grabs… Read more »
@YaReally
Got a story for you….
1987 or so, I took the wife to a club in NYC, Bonds International. At that time it was a bit more upscale. Not a place where ” trouble ” would break out. Wifey looked devastatingly good that night.
So there’s a small crowd in the little lobby area, people kind of milling around.
….wait a minute… have I told you this already?