Cheaters

Cheating Husband 9

I was picking through The Private Man’s blog a few months back and I came across this gem from about 3 years ago. It’s a pretty quick read if you want to click over and come back. PM recounts an all too common scenario from a Red Pill perspective – casually explaining what the Red Pill is to a guy who’s been immersed in a Blue Pill conditioning and experience for most of his life.

“What’s your blog about?”

“I help men be more attractive to women so they can reach their relationship goals.” It’s my standard go-to response when questioned about my blog.

“I don’t understand.”

“Men can learn how to be more attractive to women and I help them with that.”

James looked shocked and then quickly got angry.

“That’s cheating!” He was emphatic. He was pissed off. He was not attacking me, just my message. Again, the guy code applied.

This reaction did not surprise me. James is of the “be yourself and the right woman will magically appear” school of thought. I know where this comes from. For years I held the same point of view. I didn’t back down.

“A man can learn new things to make himself more attractive to women so he can meet his relationship goals.”

James was stubborn.

“I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

That’s a noble sentiment based on an idealized view of attraction, dating, and relationships. It’s the standard response borne of shitty social expectations. But as I deal in the sometimes difficult realities of the situation, I had to be honest with James.

In this instance, James’ anger was the reflexive response I expect from ‘plugged in’ men when they first come into contact with a Red Pill aware man. It’s interesting when you consider this interaction with a Red Pill Lens. You begin to see just how saturated Blue Pill conditioning is for the average guy in real time. It’s one thing to see its influence in popular media, read a blog or book, see a movie or hear a song on the radio, but it’s quite another to experience it first hand with a guy maybe you know, or maybe you don’t.

Private Man doesn’t elaborate on it in his post, but this exchange is illustrative of how a Blue Pill mindset conditions an almost hostile defensiveness in men. Before I started the blog, and before I had a book out, I encountered this fairly often when I thought a certain man might benefit from my own awareness. It took some time for me to see the wisdom in the fourth law of power – always say less than is necessary.

Blue Pill men’s investment in the “truth” that their conditioning leads them to necessitates a constant confirmation of it from others, from his surroundings and from popular culture blanketing his awareness of it. When a Red Pill aware man verbalizes his truths, his observations, and his perspectives it’s often an affront to that Blue Pill guy’s ego-investments. And these are investments that he’s likely unaware he even holds, and he presumes everyone else holds too.

Think as you like…

There’s a comfort in presuming others believe as we do. It’s an interesting contrast when you think about it in terms of your political or religious views and then apply it to how we differ in respect to our respective Game with women. Most guys understand that other people have differing political leanings and religious dispositions, and it makes sense that they won’t see eye to eye with them. And from a cultural perspective – at least from a progressively western one – we are more or less socially expected to respect those differences in the name of mutual cooperation and mutually beneficial tolerance.

How that actually flies in the real world is a topic I’ll let other blogs explore, but when we consider how the Blue Pill and the Feminine Imperative conditions men across various cultural, political and religious spectrums we see a decided intolerance for even a casual, passing disagreement about how men ought to regard, respect and interact with women.

I won’t rehash the influence feminist ideology and the Feminine Imperative play in that conditions ( I have plenty of essays addressing that), but what I want to draw attention to here is the reflexive response James had with Private Man, and how it finds its root in a subconscious conditioning that was only mildly challenged by PM.

James first presumption was that what PM was teaching men was in some way ‘cheating’. What PM was advising was against a predefined rule set that every man ought to be abiding by. This was a Blue Pill reaction to even the premise of a Red Pill truth – that men can and should learn to interact with women in order to come to a more satisfying relationship with them; one defined by that man’s desires.

This actually offends two rules presuppositions: the first, that men would ever presume to ‘know’ women well enough to outdo other men (women as universal choosers) and second to put his imperatives above a woman’s.

When I interviewed with Alan Roger Currie recently I was asked to give my take on what exactly constituted Red Pill / Blue Pill status, and what my definitions were for the abstract terms of Alpha and Beta. It’s exceedingly difficult to apply concrete definitions in a quick hit info-bite, but with respect to the Blue Pill, Blue Pill conditioning is foundationally about a presumption that all men ought to mutually follow and be accountable to an expected rule set; a rule set that now openly serves feminine-primacy.

I developed this idea in The Second Set of Books post, but with regard to men’s dealing with other men and the implied social contract, there is a definite conflict between men invested in the old set of rules and Red Pill aware men who acknowledge, use and endorse a new set of rules. Thus, using Game or making personal choices based on Red Pill aware wisdom seems like the man applying them is in fact “cheating”.

He’s cheating on the first set of rules that the ‘plugged in’ man expects him to adhere to, and adhere to even when those rules make little realistic sense or have scant appreciable reward for. In other words, a martyr for the concept of honor.

Blue Pill ideology is something learned and internalized over the course of a man’s boyhood into his adult life. When you consider a guy’s upbringing and the extent that the Feminine Imperative conditions and reinforces his investments socially, culturally, religiously, etc., it’s easy to see how ‘natural’ and unlearned it seems to the guy who’s centered his identity on it.

To the greater whole of Blue Pill conditioned men the Red Pill is foreign and an affront to that conditioning. In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:

Every random chump within earshot of your conversation about Game, about your ‘changed’ way of seeing inter-gender relations, about your most objective critical observations of how women ‘are’, etc. – understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism. Even under the conditions of relative anonymity (like the internet), he’ll still cling to that want of proving his uniqueness just on the off chance that a woman might read his rebuff and be fatefully attracted to him.

This is the bread and butter of the White Knight beta. It’s best to assume that most guys who pick up on just your Game vibe, to say nothing of overtly talking about it, are going to side with the feminine imperative by default. For practitioners of Beta Game (which is to say the better part of 90% of guys) this is an organic opportunity to identify with women and engage in the same shaming conventions women use without the fear of having it seem contrived.

…but do as others do

That said, this dynamic is not always so dramatic. There was a time when I lived in Florida before I had started the blog, but well after my time at SoSuave, where I had a get together with some friends at my place for some beer and bullshit time. We’d gotten to talking about ‘how our wives were’ and as you might expect there was all of the “she’s the boss” preprogrammed rhetoric being laughed about until I mentioned that my wife was definitely not the boss.

At that point, beer or no beer, it became apparent that the proverbial crab was about to crawl out of the barrel, so then comes the predictable ridicule about how I’m fulla’ shit, I must domineer her, or how I’m being cocky but my wife really owns me like them – because wives have the pussy so wives make the rules. Real, masterful, masculinity was a joke to these men because they were invested in the idea that they were fortunate to have any woman fuck them, and the one who did was not to be disrespected even in her absence. They wanted confirmation of their investment in the ideology that brought them to their indentured existences.

To the Blue Pill conditioned, wives run the show; to think otherwise is a delusion of masculine power for the Blue Pill man, and all men should acknowledge this.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, Hypergamy needs security. Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks seeks to set up social conditions and to socially engineer men who will at least attempt to provide women with some semblance of Hypergamous assurance. It may not seem it, but the social convention that men ought to Just Be Themselves is an effort to confirm this Hypergamous certainty about a man. Men are honor bound (through notions of whatever chivalry might mean) to be who they are, do what they say and say what they mean – and any man who changes that for whatever reason must necessarily be “cheating”.

This trope has the latent purpose of aiding in women’s Hypergamous filtering process. The old set of books, the rules a Blue Pill man expects all other men to play by, find its roots in a man’s worth being the truthful representation of what he really is. This is not so for women. Women’s self-representation is founded in socially acceptable misdirections that serve her Hypergamous interests (makeup to appear young, hair, nails, cosmetic surgery, etc.)

Popular culture ridicules men who falsely “wear masks of masculinity” in a social order that deliberately obfuscates his understanding of what it means, and all while reinforcing female deception of who men really are.

When men aren’t “just being themselves” it’s ‘cheating’. What it’s cheating is Hypergamy. It is cheating the ignorant Blue Pill ego-invested men whose identities are dependent upon men abiding by a rule set that no longer serves their best interests.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

311 comments on “Cheaters

  1. @ stuff

    Okay, one more about this guy and I’m done ( it’s slow tonight and I got hundreds of stories and no one to tell them to. Sorry guys..lol).

    I have a friend who’s hubby was a real biker. At the time, she was 54 years old, but fellas, she looked all of 35. Interesting genes, to say the least. She was kinda stuck in 1987, but she pulled off the spikey platinum blonde thing okay. She always dressed very well, sexy even. She even pulled off the thigh high boot look very well.

    The implants didn’t hurt either. Those boobs didn’t age.

    So this ex biker chick/stripper had lost her hubby a decade prior and had kinda settled way down and turned into Betty Crocker. With amazing tits. Like Titty Crocker.

    We’re talking one day, and she asks me if I knew any nice guys that rode, that were looking for a good woman to take care of them and ride together.

    So I thought of the Subject. Right age, motorcycle, homebody, etc.

    So I watched him a little closer to get a better feel of his character. He turned out, upon closer inspection, to be the biggest beta chode I have ever seen in person. I knew this chicks husband, R.I.P.. Cool guy, looked absolutely menacing but was good people. He died of lung cancer in his late 40’s. They made a very evenly matched couple.

    My thoughts? She’d be the absolute best thing that ever happened to him. No games, no manipulation. Nice personality. He would be the absolute worse thing to happen to her though. I’m sure if I’d set them up I’d probably never hear from her again.

    Hence, I left him on his own. Eagle Girl and David Lee Roth followed. Disaster averted.

  2. LOL Titty Crocker chopper cause she gets rode by bikers.
    Best pickup line I ever heard “Loan me ten bucks and I’ll buy you a beer while you drink it we can discuss repayment.”

  3. One thing you can bet on is if you take the perfect woman “no games or manipulation” and put her with a betta chump in no time at all you will have a abusive manipulative bitch,these guys could fuck up a wet dream and wake up proud.

  4. I just looked through some of my filtered message requests on FB. Never saw these.

    One from last year. The guy threatening to have me arrested or something and that I’m going to be in “big trouble” because of “sexual harassment” of his wife (who lives miles away across borders and I’ve never met in person in my life), who messaged me first telling me she wanted to suck my dick, and me just playing along with it and doing some sexting.

    Lol. Someone call the Internet police.

    Long string of messages I didn’t see calling me a “non pussy getting alcoholic POS” and then things like “we all know you’re a fake and a liar. Everyone knows it.”

    His daughter messaged me saying I was destroying their marriage and ruining their life. This is like 1 day after the lady messages me and I’m just going along with it.

    Again….she messaged me out of the blue saying she wanted to suck my dick, and I was like, okay. Can’t meet up so let’s just have a little fun online, and at the time I was super desperate so I wasn’t going to pass anything up.

    The Blue Pill runs deep. Her own husband was in denial to the point where he blamed me 100% completely for everything. No responsibility placed on her, even when I confronted the guy about it, saying she solicited me first and I just went along with it. The defense was that she’s “mentally ill” and I “knew what I was doing” and am some kind of sicko.

    I forgot to mention, she happened to know one of the girls I was Gaming. That was a disaster. I didn’t know they knew each other and when that girl found out, it was lights out.

    Funny thing though, the younger girl I was working on, she had a boyfriend at the time. She blocked me on FB. Otherwise, as a parting gift, I probably would’ve sent her current BF she was so ‘loyal’ to all the messages we exchanged, including her telling me how wet she was, how she wanted to be fucked, asking me questions about my dick, and talking about how he claimed his dick was big but she didn’t think it was, all the endless lists of putdowns she had about him, and then talking dirty to me, etc., lol.

    She probably blocked me because she knew I was going to call her out on her BS and wanted me out of the picture before I could expose her to her BF at the time. Under the guise of her being self-righteous and blocking an asshole like me, who she secretly wanted to fuck, but…..oh wait, she’d never do that, because she has a BF, and now that this guy responded to a dirty text my friend’s mom sent, EWWW!……

    That’s old news now, but I’m sure I’m still ‘the bad guy,’ regardless of how their marriage is working out, or how the LTR is going with that girl and her BF.

    In both cases, I was the asshole, not the GF for cheating, or the married lady for cheating. Oh no, they were guilt free, and had the righteousness to block me and get my toxic influence out of their lives.

    Until the next guy comes along, lol. Even the married lady was saying that she wanted to bang her next door neighbor, and had done so in the past, and her husband blew up on him, as would be expected.

    Anyway, some major guilt and shame came back up, but I caught it.

    I wouldn’t get involved with married chicks nowadays, as my friend (who’s done that dozens of times) also advised against.

    I also have to be careful about setting frame, because even in my current arrangement, if I get a fuck buddy before ending things (keep in mind we are NOT in a committed relationship, and never were), and she finds out before I end things, she could make up some story, e.g. false rape and false abuse accusations.

    That’s the serious shit. I could be thinking I’m fine because I never said I was her boyfriend, not that that is legally binding, but basically if it’s her word against mine, she has the upper hand. As soon as you have allegations of sexual or physical abuse, even with a complete lack of evidence, you’re in deep shit.

    That’s what’s kinda scaring me now. And the WORST travesty of feminism is it getting into legislation.

    It’s like the Salem Witch Trials all over again. It can now be a criminal offense to pursue the masculine sexual imperative.

    It doesn’t matter that the sex is consensual. Women now have the ability to rectroactively make rape or abuse allegations, i.e. Buyer’s Remorse.

    What sucks is back in the day, this shit didn’t matter much. My friend would constantly pump and dump girls.

    But now this can be the equivalent of ‘rape,’ legally speaking.

    This is the biggest thing concerning me. And it does make me nervous about getting out on the field.

    Having had experiences like mine, which put the fear of god into me….it’s a lot to consider.

    Treating a girl like your GF, when you’d like to have her as a Primary and have other girls on the side, might lead to some shit down the road.

    A woman the other day told me she wishes that she was a man, because men have it so much easier in this world.

    Lol.

  5. @ YaReally

    Good shit.

    And dead on about scrib and guys like me. I’m in my mid 20’s with a nice full head of hair, good looking guy, cool hobbies, cool talents and skills, have a car, have proven that I’m good in bed, etc. But I’m beating the shit out of myself just the same.

    Truth is it doesn’t matter. Might as well waste time thinking, “Well, if I was a famous rock star and was on the cover of Rolling Stone I’d have an easy time getting women. But I’m not, so fuck. I can’t do this.”

    A major sign of growth for me is not feeling defensive. Like when you pointed out that I thought I was being super edgelordy by describing the psychological issues I’ve had….

    …it’s true. I actually DO think I’m an edgelord. I’m the biggest edgelord of them all, and I’ll PROVE IT!

    Lol.

    I’ve been way more receptive and realizing you’re saying the truth and trying to help instead of feeling all defensive, like, oh, I’ll PROVE to you how fucked up I am.

    Example:

    You don’t think I’m special? Well watch THIS. I’ll fuck my life up so bad that you will NEVER be able to deny how fucked up I am again! I’ll show you!!!! JUST WATCH!

    I’ll PROVE that I’m a special snowflake! Maybe if I cut myself MORE and then try to kill myself 1,000 more times in a row, then YaReally will get how fucked up I am and bow down to the Lord of Edginess, and he’ll know his place.

    Yeah, that’s it. THAT’S IT! That’s what I’ll do. I’ll show that guy.

    -10 years later-

    Oh, fuck, I’m horny. I wish someone would tell me that the Lord of Edginess doesn’t get laid for having a title. Fuck, I wish I knew better. Why didn’t that asshole YaReally try to help me out and give me some advice? Fucker. No one helped me. This sucks. No one cares about me.

    That’s it. THAT’S IT! If I take on the identity of Master of Neglect, THEN I’ll show them who’s boss….YEAH! No one gives a fuck about Softek and I’ll PROVE IT!

    -10 years later-

    Fuck, now I have a REALLY good reason to be an Edgelord. I haven’t been laid in 20 YEARS! FUCK! FUCK MY LIFE! Well, at least I can DEFINITELY say that I have issues.

    That’s what I wanted all along, right? To prove to the world that I’m fucked up. Mission accomplished. Now what? Try for a new Guinness World Record of being Fucked Up? The most fucked up hard case in the world? The only guy in the world that PUA can’t work for?

    Yes, I’ll try for that. That seems like a worthy goal. PUA can’t work for me. I’m gonna go start a MGTOW video series about how it’s impossible for some guys to get laid. Guys like me. I’ll show the world. I’ll teach them.

    -10 years later-

    Drinks self into permanent coma

    Dies

    Reincarnates

    Repeats life cycle until learning the lesson

    The End

    ———–

    Lol. How’s that for a bedtime story.

    One trick I’ve used is actually what I just did. I got it from NLP. You just blow things out of proportion to where they are COMPLETELY ABSURD.

    In reality, the example I just laid out isn’t absurd. It’s what I’ve really done most of my life. But when you portray it like that, you really get a clear glimpse into actually how absurd you’re being.

    You hyperbolize it until it’s a comedy routine.

    That gives you some perspective to step back and see how seriously you’re taking this BS you’re making up in your own head and killing yourself over.

    Even after writing that out, I’m like shit, I am being retarded for thinking like this. I’m being really self-defeating.

    Maybe I should take a different approach.

    And then I pull up one of Tyler’s vids or start making notes to check out Krauser’s Day Game or whatever, and start filling my head with stuff that is pushing me in the right direction, instead of sticking myself into an infinite negative feedback loop while gazing into my own navel.

    Not to write off anyone’s issues. I of all people should know how serious mental illness is, and the hurdles that come with it.

    But PUA can be pursued in spite of it. There are thousands of guys who have overcome horrible shit and came out on top having success with women after putting in the work.

    I think it’s important to strike a balance. If you have serious issues, get help, or find a way to help yourself.

    But don’t let your issues delude you into thinking it means you can’t do well with women.

    I’ve played up the self-mutilation thing myself. Women think it’s super Edgelordy that I have scars all over and have commented about how they think it’s “cool.”

    I should start up my own PUA thing and then guys everywhere will think that they have to have suicidal depression and mutilate themselves to pick up chicks, lmao.

  6. To add to my previous comment,

    Knowing I’ll get feedback about my sarges, etc helps push me forward. It’s fun and interesting reading the breakdowns. Total dopamine rush to have what you’re doing picked apart like that, like you’re learning way faster than you could alone by trial and error.

    There’s a righteous momentum to this all. Thats’ community. Lurkers – grab your balls, go out, write FR’s! Y’all can do it, it helps everyone.

    Stuck in w a flu atm – my health has been for the birds the last 2-3 weeks for some reason. But I’m hoping my immune system will have it sorted by the weekend. A literal half-pint of codyceps extract might not hurt either.

  7. @ YaReally

    A Zen story just popped into my head big time thinking about all this, and how Tyler jokes that everyone’s going to watch his stuff, then go out and shave a bald spot into their head and grow a beard because Tyler does it and that must be how he gets women, because they say how they like his beard and think his bald spot is cute or some shit, lol.

    (I have a beer belly and the girl I’ve been seeing goes on and on about how cute it is and how she loves all my oddities and quirks and really weird shit about me and things I do and habits I have)

    I even noticed I’m writing “lol” more after reading your posts, lol. (lol)

    …lol. See?

    This shit is fucking HILARIOUS. You can’t make this shit up. I’m practically rolling over here at this point.

    Anyway, onto the Zen:

    ———-

    Ritual Cat

    When the spiritual teacher and his disciples began their evening meditation, a cat who lived in the monastery made such noise that it distracted them. One day the teacher ordered that the cat be tied up during the evening practice.

    Years later, when the teacher died, the cat continued to be tied up during the meditation session. And when the cat eventually died, another cat was brought to the monastery and tied up. Centuries later, learned descendants of the spiritual teacher wrote scholarly treatises about the religious significance of tying up a cat for meditation practice.

  8. Fleezer
    “on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen.”

    Yeah, yeah, what’s the matter? Looks like a personal problem of some sort. C’mon, you know better than this. Read on.

    FR – accidental FR.
    The other week I was at a kind of ‘mandatory fun’ event, part social, part business. Zero alcohol anywhere. There was a mid-20’s married woman I know there, she’s a musician and fun to talk with. One of her children was crawling around across the room and she had one eye on the rugrat. Lots of people talking at the same time. She was saying something about a classical composer, asking me something or other.

    In order to hear her better, I maintained eye contact while I moved in closer to her as I replied to her previous question. Or to put it another way, I lasered her while cutting space. I actually saw her eyes dilating and her lips mov-mov-moving then she licked them, all this in a couple of seconds as I closed the gap. Bonus when I had to move her out of the way of some other people; compliance and more lip licking. It’s very likely she was ovulating, the way she reacted. But even so, I accidentally gamed her.

    Then I made sure to actively engage her in as boring a topic as I could while changing posture, dialing back subcomms, to move her out of state, basically betaized myself. Because I don’t think it is a good idea to mess around with married women in general.

    tl;dr

    I inadvertently, accidentally gamed a married woman with one of her kids on the floor nearby and her husband in a nearby room by applying a few basic techniques. Looks like my subcomms have improved more than I realized.

    Now, fleezer, what were you saying, again, about Game?

  9. Ang Amer
    And you get immediate denial of woman being bad or, immediate statement of there being a comparison to men being just as bad. This knee-jerk defense of woman kind is the essence of betaness and a yuuuge tell’

    Very good insight. I’ve seen this more times than I care to think of. Men who should know better, from their jobs / professions, jump right to “Men Do That Too” or some other nonsense. It’s indeed a yuuuge tell and time to recalibrate immediately.

  10. stuffinbox
    Every month he would fall in love go to Lordsburg NM and get married,then come to work and brag about the sex.Right before it was to late he would get it annulled and go back out and do it again

    Wait, what? I’ve driven through Lordsburg, NM on I-10. There’s 2 or 3 offramps but they only really need one, there’s a bored county mounty running radar probably all day and all night right where the speed limit drops, some kind of ghost town tourist trap out in the desert, and a truck stop. This guy got married there more than once?
    I’m, uh, impressed? Or something.

  11. @Sentient I’ve thought about your story and been in that situation with other Chinese girls.

    They are on the surface quite cool but in private quite open-minded.

    If you had just been more up front and said “I’m going to take you to a hotel and fuck you…” she would have blushed and resisted. But by the second night you met up she’d be ready to be taken home.

    I just had that experience with a girl I met at a party. She went for drinks. I gamed her and said “I’m going to fuck you…” She said “No you won’t.”

    I didn’t reply. Two days later we met up and she came over and I banged her.

    I met another where I hesitated. She is now waffling and it’s an LBJF thing I have to reverse.

    They respect boldness IF you spark attraction.

    If you don’t then it’s an LBJF thing. I think you clearly sparked attraction so it seems she sensed hesitation?

  12. @Forge the Sky
    “But I’m a hell of a lot further than I was even 6 months ago, where I was trying to catch fish with tissue paper instead of fishing line. But another thing – gaming this girl actually makes me MORE motivated to go out sarging. Because I know that if I can get more reference experiences in-field, I’ll start to see everything in better detail with this specific prospect as well.”

    That’s all game is. There’s no end goal because there’s ALWAYS another level you can achieve or twists on your goals to aim for. There’s no reading or watching that’s going to make you suddenly good there’s just gathering more and more reference experiences so your brain can spot patterns and windows. There’s no comparing yourself to others because your only competition is “you, 6 months ago”. Like Tyler says: your best night out NOW will be your average night out in 6 months (if you go out regularly and put in the effort to push your comfort zones).

    “Like, I don’t have any reference experience for just telling a girl to show up at my house, diffusing ASD, and getting the bang – so I don’t try it with a girl I have even a touch of investment in. I need to see it working before it becomes practically useable.”

    Only way to see it working is to try it a bunch, and you’ll probably fuck up a bunch, but you’ll also get a success or two out of it or a blowout from it that you can learn from when you analyze why she blew you out from a game perspective (maybe you triggered ASD and there was a better way to pitch the invite etc), and from that you start putting together a solution that works and bump your consistency of getting that to work up.

    But you’ll have to accept that you’ll lose girls in the process for the sake of obtaining the KNAWWWWLEDGE (hashtag tai lopez). That’s fine, there are plenty more out there lol

    @Softek
    The big lesson to take away from those messages is understanding that women WILL throw you under the bus the second consequences start to affect them negatively.

    If she thinks her hubby is so chodey beta whipped that she doesn’t give a shit that he’s upset cause she knows she can just calm him down and he’ll take her back etc, she’ll generally put the blame on him for “making her” find what he’s not providing bla bla and put him on the defensive (absolving herself of all responsibility). Even if you show him the texts, he’ll find a way to rationalize/minimize them (probably with her help) into convincing himself they’re fake or a moment of weakness or whatever, even if that doesn’t make any sense, because it’s a lot easier for him to brainwash himself into believing a simple little lie and just never thinking about it again, than it is to watch his entire future crumble and fall apart and lose his one-itis.

    If she’s legitimately worried about losing her hubby and the provider shit he gives her (even if he’s a total chode, but she just worries that her life will be more difficult and she might lose the white picket fence and 2 kids dream he’s going to provide her), she will THROW YOU UNDER THE FUCKING BUS IN A HEARTBEAT with ZERO remorse. She’ll say you raped her, or you got her drunk, or she told you no or a million things and she’ll TRIPLE-down on it if she knows you have damning evidence because she’ll do the same thing feminists/SJWs do with our community where they try to discredit someone before they even speak hoping that no one will listen to what they’re saying so that even if you pull out the texts/etc they’ll somehow be twisted into “he MADE me say those things I was so scared of him I just wanted him to go away but I knew if I didn’t say those things he would find ways to hurt me, he threatened me in some other txts but I deleted those because they made me cry to even think about them and risk seeing them again” etc etc Complete bullshit to absolve herself of all responsibility (note how both scenarios involve this lol)

    It doesn’t matter if she treated you like a king and told you she loved you and that she would never throw you under the bus and that if her hubby found out she’d say fuck you you have a small dick anyway bla bla bla None of that matters when her Suvival/Replication instincts kick in when shit hits the fan. Expect 100% to be thrown under the bus.

    That’s why you don’t tell them what you do for work (make up a fake job), don’t give them your real last name (or first name, if you can swing that), be careful if they’re social circle or co-worker girls, etc etc take precautions. You can always reveal that information later when you’ve properly vetted them, but if you find out she has a hubby/boyfriend, she gets to stay in the dark or you’re taking a big risk.

    The reality is in 2016 most hot girls have a “boyfriend” bare minimum, even if it’s some chode that txts them and spoils them with gifts and she doesn’t give a shit about him. Smartphones and social media and shit have created virtual orbiters she can take anywhere she goes…it used to be that they’d have to show up at the bar where she was at or come find you to get up in your face, but now they can just txt her and get mad at you over the internet and shit. And most of the time girls aren’t going to TELL you about these boyfriends/fiances/hubbies because they’re just with them to avoid being alone and don’t want you to NOT fuck them because of it so they won’t tell you until they think you’re hooked enough to go through with it, so expect that you’re not going to really be able to avoid these girls in 2016. You’re GONNA get duped a handful of times, so read what I just wrote and keep your ass safe.

    “if I get a fuck buddy before ending things (keep in mind we are NOT in a committed relationship, and never were), and she finds out before I end things, she could make up some story, e.g. false rape and false abuse accusations.”

    Right now if you bail, there is almost a 100% chance that she will tell people that you emotionally abused her. About a 10% chance she’ll make a false physical abuse accusation (because of your guys’ angry sex). And like a 5% risk of a false rape accusation.

    The longer you stay in this, the more she gets invested, and the more she gets invested the more she wreaks vengeance when she finds strands of some other girl’s hair on your bathroom floor and it runs up into a 100% chance of her saying you emotionally abused her, and like a 90% chance of false physical abuse (where she’ll tell everyone about your damaged past and how fucked up you are so it’s more believable that you would be physcially abusive) and a solid 70% chance of a false rape accusation. JUST TO HURT YOU. She won’t do it thinking about any long-term consequences at all and mind-blowingly she’ll even try to get back with you down the road after she does it, with no idea what kind of nuke she dropped on your life because Solipsism. This happens in these cases allll the fuckin time lol

    “I could be thinking I’m fine because I never said I was her boyfriend, not that that is legally binding”

    Your word means shit against the words of a crying woman. Your “logic” about who’s at fault or what loophole you were in didn’t save you from all those filtered messages you just discovered where you’re the bad guy. None of those guys went “well she did message you first so that’s fair, no worries bro!” No one cares about the truth, all they care about is rescuing the crying maiden from the big bad Softek who hurt her. She can even do shit where she doesn’t SAY you hurt her but she just like, breaks down with crocodile tears mid-sentence to let the people listening fill in the blanks with the worst-case, so she has plausible deniability when she tries to get back with you (“I didn’t say you did that!!!”)

    “It doesn’t matter that the sex is consensual. Women now have the ability to rectroactively make rape or abuse allegations, i.e. Buyer’s Remorse.”
    “Treating a girl like your GF, when you’d like to have her as a Primary and have other girls on the side, might lead to some shit down the road. ”

    Yup. This is part of why I run my honest FB/pLTR game instead of lying. I WANT any girls I’m with to know I have other girls from the start because I don’t want the potential drama if I’m pretending they’re the only one and they find I’ve had other girls over. If a girl is 100% uncool with that (and some ARE, depending on what they’re looking for at that point in their life or their own issues/beliefs about sex etc) I am totally find with screening her out and not banging her. A lack of drama in my life is my top priority. In the past I would do whatever, but I find lying puts a big weight on my shoulders and being honest feels a lot lighter to me. Other guys’ experience will be different/personal, I’m just talking about how I approach it lol Very few girls HATE me, some of them don’t care about me anymore or don’t particularly love me, but you would have a hard time going back through my past girls and finding any that HATE me. Most of them I could re-stoke back into hooking up again pretty easily because they had good experiences with me and part of that is because I didn’t lead them on into thinking I would settle down with them. And even then a lot of them don’t know my real name or job juuust to be safe lol

    And ya that’s why I put a big emphasis on Buyer’s Remorse and ASD/LMR these days. That shit is VITAL for guys to understand in 2016 with the witch trials that go on now. Taking her for a fucking $2 Egg McMuffin could be the difference between a girl saying “nooo he’s a nice guy, he’s just got too many commitment issues 🙁 I had to leave him because I was falling for him too hard and I knew he wouldn’t marry me”, and a girl carrying her rape-mattress around before she goes to the fucking State of the Union to slander you as a rapist before she films a reenactment of her own rape as an art project.

    “Like when you pointed out that I thought I was being super edgelordy by describing the psychological issues I’ve had…. …it’s true. I actually DO think I’m an edgelord. I’m the biggest edgelord of them all, and I’ll PROVE IT! Lol.”

    lol ya a lot of people would go “wtf YaReally you can’t make fun of that, the guy is talking about cutting himself and suicide man!!! Show some compassion!!!” But I’m making fun of it because you’re not a dumb guy, that’s clear from your posts and the fact that you’re even HERE trying to get a handle on your life. You’re just a guy who’s been dealt some shitty cards in some of the hands of this big poker game of life. No big deal. YOU will make fun of yourself down the road for being an edgelord the same way that 14yo emo girl regrets her edgelordy Tweets about killing herself because Justin Beiber started dating someone she doesn’t like. Like, I’m not trivializing your experience/problems/pain you went through, but you’re a dude in your mid 20s with a nice full head of hair, good looking guy, cool hobbies, cool talents and skills, have a car, have proven that you’re good in bed, etc. You’re not that little edgelord anymore unless you WANT to be and WANT to make it your identity, which you don’t because if you did you wouldn’t even be reading this 400 pages I’m typing.

    You just haven’t had the tools to deal with this shit and you’ve been given shitty tools by people who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing or WANT you to stay fucked up (your shitty psychiatrist, the girl you’re with, etc). But you’ve found a place that can help give you the tools you need to deal with this shit, just like we’re helping scribblerg pull himself out of his nosedive. But that’s the key, it’s pulling HIMSELF, just like you’ll have to pull YOURSELF. None of us can come break up your relationship or pull you out of there, and we GET how strong the pull to stay in is given your history and needs/desires for having a girl and fears/doubts about getting another one etc. That’s why I say you’ll PROBABLY keep seeing her and get yourself burned hard, and our goal is ideally to keep you from getting her preggers etc (that’s why I give you the warnings about using your brand new condoms, not trusting her about birth control or a tilted uterus etc, because her goal the second she thinks she’s losing you is to get preggers to FORCE you to stay because in her mind you’ll REALIZE you love her if she can keep you around long enough).

    “I’ve been way more receptive and realizing you’re saying the truth and trying to help instead of feeling all defensive, like, oh, I’ll PROVE to you how fucked up I am.”

    lol

    “You don’t think I’m special? Well watch THIS. I’ll fuck my life up so bad that you will NEVER be able to deny how fucked up I am again! I’ll show you!!!! JUST WATCH!”

    Here’s a mind-fuck for you. This is the EXACT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS that your girl is going through. “You think you can leave me?? That we don’t NEED eachother??? You think you’ve outgrown being an edgelord?? Well watch THIS. I’ll fuck my life up (and yours) so bad that you will NEVER be able to deny how fucked up we are again! I’ll show you!!!! JUST WATCH! I’ll PROVE that we are special edgelord snowflakes! Maybe if I (insert crazy shit) and then try to kill myself etc (my buddy came home to his girl slitting her wrists when she thought she would lose him and she knows he’s lost buddies to suicide, Cluster-B chick and I knew what happened as soon as I saw his “so it ended pretty bad…” txt cause of how predictable it is) THEN Softek will get how fucked up I am and bow down to us being the King and Queen of Edginess and he’ll know his place…with ME. …FOREVER. Yeah, that’s it…THAT’S IT!! That’s what I’ll do. I’ll show him how much we need eachother.”

    Think about THAT. The exact same way your brain was rationalizing how appropriate and justified that behavior would be, hers will do the same. Except that as a man you are capable of logical rational thought and controlling your emotions and bringing yourself off that edge seeing the flaws in the outcome it would lead to. But she’s a girl who has spent her life running with her emotions and absorbing the chaos and drama that result (like cheating on her previous boyfriend with you).

    And what did I say earlier about girls choosing between accepting consequences/responsibility or throwing you under the bus? What behavior did you see from the married chicks who blocked you on Facebook etc to protect themselves?

    Can you see why we’re telling you to get the fuck out of there and go sarging, or online dating, or banging some random, etc? lol

    lolol quoting this whole thing because it’s funny shit because it’s 100% accurate:

    “-10 years later-

    Oh, fuck, I’m horny. I wish someone would tell me that the Lord of Edginess doesn’t get laid for having a title. Fuck, I wish I knew better. Why didn’t that asshole YaReally try to help me out and give me some advice? Fucker. No one helped me. This sucks. No one cares about me.

    That’s it. THAT’S IT! If I take on the identity of Master of Neglect, THEN I’ll show them who’s boss….YEAH! No one gives a fuck about Softek and I’ll PROVE IT!

    -10 years later-

    Fuck, now I have a REALLY good reason to be an Edgelord. I haven’t been laid in 20 YEARS! FUCK! FUCK MY LIFE! Well, at least I can DEFINITELY say that I have issues.

    That’s what I wanted all along, right? To prove to the world that I’m fucked up. Mission accomplished. Now what? Try for a new Guinness World Record of being Fucked Up? The most fucked up hard case in the world? The only guy in the world that PUA can’t work for?

    Yes, I’ll try for that. That seems like a worthy goal. PUA can’t work for me. I’m gonna go start a MGTOW video series about how it’s impossible for some guys to get laid. Guys like me. I’ll show the world. I’ll teach them.

    -10 years later-

    Drinks self into permanent coma

    Dies

    Reincarnates

    Repeats life cycle until learning the lesson

    The End”

    Yup lol That’s why I’m pretty cold about people’s problems like when I’m brushing off scribblerg’s problems. They just don’t matter. Ok, you’ve been dealt a shitty hand. What’s the solution? Wuit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it. You want to throw yourself a pity party? You want to “rebel” against what I’m saying and act like a bratty teenager saying “guess what I haven’t sarged in two weeks, you know WHY?? Because I do what I WANT!!!”? Okay DO that.

    Now it’s a year later and you’re the king of the edgelords with your special snowflake problems. You got your title, congrats, you’re a victim! …now what? Well, you’ve just wasted a year of your life that you could’ve spent trying to handle your shit, and your shit is STILL all fucked up (maybe MOREso) because you wasted all that time feeling sorry for yourself. So what’s the solution? The exact same solution that I told you a year ago: quit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it.

    Wahhh but YaReally you don’t UNDERSTAND bro, you haven’t BEEN there, you’re some dumb young pup (or some old man, depending on who I’m helping lol) who doesn’t understand my special snowflake edgelord problems. Okay, let’s say that I don’t understand. You’re right, you’re a big ol’ victim. Now what? Well now 5 years has gone by. You’re older and in a shittier mental state because you doubled-down on your victim identity instead of doing the things that would fix your shit. So what’s the solution now that you’re 5+ years worse off than you were 5 years ago when you first wrote your crybaby edgelord post on the TRM comment section and brushed off my advice? It’s the same fucking solution it was on day one: quit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it.

    All I’m trying to do is save guys the years of time that they’ll waste being victims only to end up in the exact same spot they’re in now lol ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. lol

    Nobody thinks I have problems or hard life experience because I float around here on a cloud of sunshine and positivity. The young guys think I’m too old to understand their pain because things were “different” back then, the old guys give me zero respect because I couldn’t possibly know what it’s like to work hard or have my face shoved in the dirt etc, but I’ve been through a lot more than most of my peers on multiple levels and I’ve dealt with shit, loss, setbacks, etc that you guys would probably be surprised to hear about. But I made an active effort to learn to deal with those things and keep a solid positive frame and accept that taking action is always the solution, feeling sorry for myself is not. That doesn’t mean I don’t still feel sorry for myself at points, and I give myself a couple days to feel sorry for myself and be a full victim, but then I know it’s a pointless indulgence and it’s time to start taking action because none of that shit will get my anywhere except further away from overcoming my problems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3r-KvakUzU

    “One trick I’ve used is actually what I just did. I got it from NLP. You just blow things out of proportion to where they are COMPLETELY ABSURD.”

    lol ya that’s why I called you an edgelord. Because if you don’t know what an edgelord is and google it you get this:

    http://imgur.com/a/AaMCp

    And it’s like “ok maybe this is kind of retarded lol” If I just called you something that emphasized how SUPER SRS GUISEEEE your problems are it would just feed into your victim identity and encourage you to live UP to that label. That’s why I keep saying you’re a smart normal dude, it’s clear that you are from your posts, and at some point you’re going to give in and just accept “shit FINE, maybe I’m NOT this big special snowflake victim. Maybe I WAS at some point and maybe that was totally justified back then, but maybe that’s the past despite what this girl is purposely triggering in me to get me to not think I can do better than her because it’s in her best interests as an OLD WOMAN who’s about to HIT THE WALL and not be able to find a provider, to lock me down even if that’s not in my best interests, because she’s SELFISH and 100% concerned with HER well-being…why am I not concerned about MY well-being? Why do I feel guilty giving a shit about myself and my well-being?? Is that just what happens when you spend a lifetime NOT giving a shit about yourself and being told you don’t DESERVE to have ANYONE give a shit about you? Well fuck, how do I process all of THIS new information and perspective??”

    “Even after writing that out, I’m like shit, I am being retarded for thinking like this. I’m being really self-defeating.”

    lolol this is the place to do it. Somewhere out there is some edgelord who read your shit and went “fuck this guy sounds like a faggot…not like ME, I have REAL probl–wait–…ahhh goddamnit.”

    “And then I pull up one of Tyler’s vids or start making notes to check out Krauser’s Day Game or whatever, and start filling my head with stuff that is pushing me in the right direction, instead of sticking myself into an infinite negative feedback loop while gazing into my own navel.”

    The reason I can pull up random RSD videos that address things guys bring up, out of their HUNDREDS of videos, and I can pinpoint specific time points somewhere in Tyler’s 2 hour rants where it’s like “hey Softek you need to hear this part, it’s relevant to your situation” is because I literally ran those vids on 24/7 loops whenever I was at home lol I’d go to sleep with them playing and shit. Because I wanted to proactively reprogram my brain with GOOD content (not just RSD vids but Tony Robbins and motivational talks/speeches and other positive shit).

    I realized that most of the stuff I was filling my time with was programming my brain with GARBAGE, from the TV I was wasting my time on (no longer have cable, I don’t even have a Netflix account, I don’t know what’s happening in Game of Thrones etc), to the music I was listening to (angsty 90s alt-rock), to the movies I was watching (I love good dramatic depressing movies and I was FULLY bought into the whole Ross & Rachel soap opera “one true love but all these problems get in the way until that climax moment in the rain” etc shit (I STILL like watching that stuff now and then but I know it’s like eating junk food VS when it used to be my entire diet lol)), the news I was reading (newspapers and TV news rarely have positive stories, they sprinkle them in once in a while between all the negative shit to take you on a rollercoaster ride of emotions and ideally end on a high note with a story about puppies), even some of the people I was hanging out with who had their own victim identities and wanted to just stay on the bottom of the bucket, pulling eachother back down into it like crabs so no one would succeed and make the other people feel bad for choosing to give up in life.

    I wasn’t watching one video a week, I wasn’t even picking and choosing specifically relevant topics. I was just going through all of them over and over as often as possible even if I wasn’t paying full attention to them and just catching key bits and pieces that stuck out. I sacrificed all that instant gratification stuff for the sake of reprogramming my brain and that’s WHY I seem like I don’t have problems and have never gone through hard times or had close friends go through hard times etc compared to all the crybabies feeling sorry for themselves writing long edgelord screeds about their problems thinking they’re special snowflakes. Because those guys AREN’T proactively reprogramming their brains. ’cause they haven’t wasted enough of their life yet to really regret spending so long in a victim mentality that they refuse to let themselves waste more of their life on it and sacrifice to change their mindsets.

    Even these longass posts I make, I KNOW people make fun of how much I write and I know it’s easy to say “YaReally must be full of shit because no one who writes that much could actually ALSO be sarging and banging girls etc” Because they can’t relate to hyperfocusing on something, they spend their way being wishy-washy wasting their time on passive garbage and dabbling dabbling dabbling. They can tell you what’s happening on Game of Thrones. This stuff I’m writing helps ME, it forces me to remind myself of all this shit and to rewatch these videos and to internalize the stuff I’m talking about by rehashing it over and over.

    That’s why people who meet me want to hang out with me, because I’m walking positive energy and that’s rare these days (which is SAD) because everyone wants to be lazy and passive and make an edgelord victim identity out of their special snowflake problems and then just say I had it easy or don’t have problems or am making shit up or tool me for posting all these vids and writing all this shit etc lol The reason I can give back to the community and help other guys is because I put in that work to help myself and made sacrifices to get to where I am with my inner wiring and the reason that’s important to me is because I KNOW how I would have ended up if I had stayed an edgelord making an identity from my special snowflake problems.

    I have a buddy who refuses to watch these vids more than one per week because it’s “too much to take in, it’s too overwhelming”. Guess what, 2 years later his mindsets are STILL as shitty as they were 2 years ago. Because for every hour long video he watches, he has an ENTIRE WEEK of negative thinking and shitty mental habits built up over a lifetime, making anything he heard in that video irrelevant. Just like the guys who “dabble” in pickup, going out once a week or a couple nights every two weeks, are usually exactly where they were 2 years ago, because they aren’t putting in the effort. They’re making excuses and victim identities and feeling like special snowflakes and they’ll stay where they are. And then they’ll make a victim identity out of THAT, just like your 10 years later edgelord timeline.

    Tyler explains the silliness of the victim identity shit in entertaining depth here (GUESS HOW I KNEW EXACTLY WHICH VIDEO TO LINK HERE lol):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3OhvYNdvRw

    That’s why Tyler is so much more chill and grouded now than he was back when he was a young early 20s edgelord himself. Because he made a very proactive effort to reprogram his brain and still does to this day and shares that with everyone for free on the internet in videos that I link that guys who are edgelords unhappy with their lives will skip over and not actually watch and then cry about being special snowflakes lol

    “Not to write off anyone’s issues. I of all people should know how serious mental illness is, and the hurdles that come with it.”

    There’s serious mental illness that should be treated seriously, and then there’s the crybaby shit that the VAST VAST VAST majority of people who THINK they’re mentally ill have. Like Tyler says: it’s funny how many fucked up mental issues like depression, sucidal thoughts, violent outbursts, etc vanish once a guy starts getting an abundance of pussy. WEIRD how that works. lol

    Most people’s angsty depression comes from being unsatified with how their life is going or has turned out and most of the time that comes from not living a life that’s congruent to them and their actual wants/needs and values, because they don’t even know what their actual wants/needs and values ARE because society has kept them dumbed down with distractions and forced a wants/needs/value system on them that benefits society. Again like Tyler says: You can’t get enough of something you don’t WANT. We’re depressed because we’re chasing all this stupid shit society tells us to chase and it’s never enough to make us happy because we didn’t want it in the first place. ’cause we don’t even KNOW ourselves.

    How COULD we know ourselves, society has spent our whole lives shaming us as men for wanting ANYTHING and putting ourselves first. That’s why a guy like scribblerg comes out of a divorce and loses his purpose (providing for his family) and feels lost because now he has to find his own purpose that’s based on his own wants and needs and it’s such a foreign idea to him to even HAVE wants and needs and for that to be ACCEPTABLE instead of SHAMEFUL and SELFISH, that he has no idea how to even tap INTO that side of himself.

    The reality is no one is going to fix you. Society doesn’t WANT you to self-actualize and succeed. Look at how we, as a society, talk about successful people, especially successful men. We HATE them, we are all WAITING on the edge of our seats for them to fail so we can all pounce on them. Every news site based in the FI is just DYING to tear successful men down to make all the losers reading that shit feel better about the lack of effort they’ve put into their lives. “See?? THAT person failed in the end, so it’s GOOD that I didn’t bother working my ass off or trying to fix myself because there’s no point, so really I’m SMARTER than them because I DIDN’T waste all that time, now hop on Twitter so we can live-Tweet about the season premiere of Game of Thrones!!”

    No one gives a shit if you succeed or not. You can just stay an edgelord and go kill yourself, just like scribblerg can just give up and be an “old man” and kill time until he gets sick and old and dies. There’s no reason he has to be the guy on the left, he can be the guy on the right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo6QNU8kHxI

    And NO ONE WOULD EVEN BLAME HIM. Or YOU. People will hear the news and go “well hey, that guy had some pretty rough blows so I don’t even blame him for killing himself or giving up on life. Ya scribblerg, you’re just nuking up a sad TV dinner and drinking yourself into a stupor alone in your apartment contemplating suicide because your business stuff isn’t going well and sarging is hard and scary and you had the divorce and alienation and everything? Man you SHOULD just give up, I know I sure would!!!”

    Your victimization can be COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED.

    But it’s your choice whether to wallow in it or dig yourself out of it, and it won’t be easy and it’ll suck a bunch of dick and you’ll feel like it’s hopeless and pointless. That’s why you have communities like this to help support you and why you build red pill friendships with guys who can help prop you up when shit gets rough and forgive your occasional “fuck you all” outbursts and call you out on being an overdramatic edgelord lol Like Fight Club Tyler says to the narrator: “You wanted to change. You could not do this on your own so you created me.” Use your support network, if you could do this shit on your own you would have. You’re missing the tools to deal with shit because society kept them from you, but they’re here waiting for you when you want to fix your life.

    “I even noticed I’m writing “lol” more after reading your posts, lol. (lol)”

    lol. Somewhere my haters heads are exploding.

    People look for solutions that fit into their already established paradigms. That’s why they reject PUA and the Red Pill so much and all my shit about looks. They never consider that maybe their ENTIRE PARADIGM is wrong and has been spoonfed to them by people who don’t care about their happiness or them knowing the truth about life and that most of the shit they’ve been certain about has been a lie. It’s a lot easier to accept that girls like Tyler’s bald spot that they don’t have (meanwhile the guys with bald spots will say girls must like Tyler’s beard or some shit because they HAVE a bald spot and aren’t getting laid so they have to find a different explanation that fits their paradigm), than it is to accept that everything they’ve ever known thought and done with regards to women has been based on wrong information and a shitty paradigm lol

    @Anonymous Reader
    “I lasered her while cutting space.”

    Shit is KEY. Well done. Make that shit a habit.

  13. Anonymous Reader, the tabula rasa ideology predates feminism and it’s an ‘enlightenment’ idea that created all the poisonous ideologies of the modern era: all races are the same neo-lysenkoism, the new Soviet man, feminism etc. It’s comical people cling to the philosophy of the enlightenment Era this strongly given that all its ideas are stupid except the scientific method(the latter is currently goring all the Holy beliefs of the enlightenment).

    Tom, you said: “The blue pill in its totality consists of all the lies “society” as a whole tells people, to mislead them into doing things that serve the agenda of others rather than interests of the person themselves”. That’s morality in general: using public relations to get people to do the right thing(what you want them to do).

  14. @YaReally

    Great posting. Thanks.

    I especially enjoyed Tyler’s video “Create Relationships For Your Current Stage Of Life: Be Self Aware, Make Only Promises You Will Keep”

    Tyler: “I don’t judge others. I hope other’s don’t judge me.”

    There is not a right answer to what type of relationship a guy should choose, but he should choose wisely with a decisive knowledge of who he is and what his skills are. (One’s relationship choices are not better than another’s choices, but hopefully they are right for him.)

    In regards to the comments to Softek, in Rollo’s blogroll links on the sidebar, there is one for THE MYTH, THE MAN. There was an essay that said the same things you said to Softek in a little more concise fashion. I brought this same thing up last year to Scribbler.

    http://themanthemyth.com/self-destruction-not-self-improvement/

    Self Destruction is Not Self Improvement:

    If you’re a man who is interested in self-improvement you know that change hurts. Growth is uncomfortable. Introspection is worse. Whether your battles are mental, emotional, social, or physical, chances are if you’re striving to better yourself it’s gonna hurt like hell at some point in your journey. Some men are not cut out for that journey from the get-go, but luckily for them there are ways that you can conserve and strengthen your will power and resolve. Even if you don’t have strong willpower and have no desire to cultivate it, there’s a pretty good workaround for that too.

    http://themanthemyth.com/systems-willpower/

    While some men are capable of dealing with the pain associated with personal development, others get their wiring all crossed and start to crave the pain associated with self improvement instead of the improvement itself. This post is for those guys.

    “Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen. Few in pursuit of the goal.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

    People create identities around suffering. Because most things worth having or achieving require some amount of suffering, people often confuse the suffering part with growth and development. Nothing could be further from the truth. While suffering is often a normal byproduct of self-improvement, introspection, and even just mastering a new skill – suffering for suffering’s sake is a waste of time and pain.

    How to Know if You’re a Self-Made Martyr

    Communication

    -You talk about your suffering more than your accomplishments
    -You loudly and often declare your “principles” unsolicited, and how they directly lead to more suffering
    -You humblebrag
    -You boast about injuries/financial loss in a not-so-indirect way of showing how badass you are

    Choices

    -You take the harder road just so you can say you took the harder road
    -You create enemies so you have enemies to complain about
    -You subscribe to intense diets/workout routines and then tell everyone how hard they are, but how great you feel
    -You adopt an unhealthy work schedule of your own choosing – and then complain that you have no life

    Identity

    -You self-identify as a rebel or an outsider
    -You intentionally alienate yourself from support so you can say you have no support
    -You surround yourself with yes-men that congratulate you every step of the way while professing that you’re besieged on all sides by enemies of your own making

    (read the rest and the links at the link above)

    I say congratulations to Scribbler and Softek for the progress they are making. I think it is remarkably good. But don’t don’t be discouraged and dwell on the past guys, keep moving forward. It is hard and it is scary, but you guys do actually have the skill to do better and better. You’re not hardly as damaged as you claim to be. And we’re wanting the best for you.

  15. @Rollo

    Even though you have The Myth, The Man blog in your sidebar blogroll, links to articles from him get sent to moderation like the one I just tried to post.

  16. Scribblerg, it’s interesting that I struggle with the same part of game: initial attraction building. In my early 20s I simply used social proof to make girls want me by being in the groups in clubs that had the most fun(combined with being a regular who knew the bartender*, had access to drugs etc). So I never really cold approached beyond saying hi and letting the setting do the work. This sucked since I finished my education because I’m no longer really interested in nightlife. Its also hard to keep pace with college students when they party once you’re on the wrong side of 25 because you do get hangovers and the recovery periods from drugs get longer. It’s also shit because I got used to fucking pretty party girls and when I go out few girls look as good as what I had pretty easily before. But I started to work on my life with more dedication. I struggled to focus on anything before 25 so I guess I’ll figure this out eventually.

    *tipping bartenders well in the clubs you frequent is smart because they’ll always take your order before the other people. So while some other guy would have to go sit and wait for a quarter hour for his drinks, I’d have them in two. Helps a lot to dhv, it improves logistics because you don’t waste time and lose girls while waiting and you won’t lose girls because their emotions aren’t pushing them into your lap anymore due to time passing while you waited to get drinks.

    Walawala, I think girls like contrast and that’s why the emotional spiking Ala Krauser works. I noticed girls like contrast in many situations:
    1)emotional. She’ll love your nice gestures if you also make her feel negative emotions like fear, dread, anxiety. Think of your nice gestures post negative emotions as emotional orgasms for them.
    2)sexual. I noticed girls cum far easier if I alternate between full contact positions and just dick positions(e.g. Going from missionary to doggy and then fuck her against a wall)
    3)psychological: I’m a little sadistic so heh. If you want to treat women like crap in bed, alternate between being sweet and being mean. So after foreplay(which is invariably sweet if you want her to be comfortable with being treated like a slut), if you make her choke on your tool or you slap her face lightly/put your hand on her neck etc, it worked best for me if I moved it towards being sweet for a minute before going back to being rough. Like I’ll tell her she’s such a delightful little slut and cup her face in my hands once she’s done with oral, brushing her cheeks softly with my fingers and kiss her and then move it to fingering before sex(I hate returning the favor for obvious reasons lol).

    I think contrast is good for attraction(if something is polarized sexually in our species) and commonalities good for comfort/rapport.

  17. @ YaReally

    Reminds me of when I found Faster EFT. I just watched that shit obsessively, just like you’re describing about Tyler’s vids and everything else (which I’m getting into big now and finding very helpful to just have on frequently instead of stuff that’s keeping me where I am)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkNIFmj7PE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAXA3FCPJUA

    And I got in the habit of, every single morning, if I woke up with anxiety (which I always did), to tap on it. And anything that came up during the day? Tap on that too. Just focus on how I knew I was having a problem, address it until it went away or at least lessened, and go on.

    It’s been a slow process but it only works as well as you put time and effort into it.

    People would think I was crazy (and still do), that it was some gimmicky thing that was BS, but guess what? Those are the same people that constantly complained about their issues and nothing would ever improve for them.

    So they all can laugh at Softek tapping on his head like some kind of autistic monkey, and feel high and mighty for saying I’m gullible and stupid, but who’s making the changes?

    Softek is. While they’re staying where they are.

    Now, an interesting point: I took a long break from Faster EFT because I thought it was a ‘gimmick.’ I bought a DVD set from them and when I started watching it, and realized that people became ‘practitioners’ and made money at it…

    …and once I realized that, my heart sank. People make MONEY doing this? That’s SO WRONG! And it discouraged me immediately. It felt like a scheme or something. Instantly thought it was some kind of money making gimmick and then I felt sick to my stomach.

    Despite the previous months where I’d been using it regularly and getting GREAT results, all that went out the window when I found out *gasp* that people are making MONEY doing this. The nerve!

    Meanwhile my psychiatrist who barely does anything at all gets paid hundreds of dollars for an hour-long session, which would, were it not for insurance, be completely unaffordable.

    And I have a hard time seeing anything wrong with that simply because of social conditioning. “Psychiatrist” is a socially accepted form of employment. It’s “correct” by default because we’re taught it’s an “official” form of employment.

    Even if they don’t do jack shit, they’re a Psychiatrist. Or a Doctor. I’ve seen Doctors so many times that didn’t do shit to help me AT ALL, and they charged an assload of money.

    Why is that okay? Because they have a socially acceptable title.

    If “PUA Artist” or “FEFT Practitioner” were socially acceptable titles, they could make money while doing a complete SHIT job, and few people would question it. It would just be the way it is.

    But because they’re NOT socially accepted, even though they work and really help people, and way more than conventional approaches do…they’re frowned upon, and met with an extreme amount of skepticism.

    It’s like someone giving up on Tyler’s vids once they overthink the fact that he gets ANY MONEY AT ALL or EVER made ANY money at all EVER from teaching people PUA and other concepts. HOW DARE HE! FRAUD, FRAUD! That means EVERYTHING HE’S SAYING IS BS! I can’t believe I bought into it, I’m so stupid! Fuuuuck!

    Lol.

    This is also part of what society wants us to do. To shun successful people, as if they’re STEALING from other people. As if there’s some singular pool of money, and anyone that starts making a lot of money is stealing from the pool of money so there’s nothing left for everyone else.

    How dare Tyler charge for anything! How dare someone in Faster EFT charge for anything! This is information to help people, it should ALL be FREE!

    Even if someone spends 2 completely dedicated hours working with someone, they shouldn’t get paid, because they didn’t go to a state certified college to get a degree, they don’t have official credentials recognized by major schools, etc., or what they’re doing isn’t “official.”

    Even if someone spends their time using skills they’ve spent years developing to help someone else, they shouldn’t get paid, because it’s not ‘official,’ and automatically, that means they’re cheating people or taking advantage of them.

    Meanwhile, I’ve had something like 13-14 years of therapy, and RM and FEFT videos have helped me more than anything, lol….and also Tyler’s videos, now that I’ve been watching a lot of those.

    Meanwhile, some Psychologist or Psychiatrist or Doctor or Lawyer can be doing a COMPLETELY SHIT job and charging a FUCKTON of money, but because they’re “Official,” it isn’t considered wrong, and people aren’t that skeptical. They might go find someone better, but all the money they threw away? Well you do have to pay people for their time, after all.

    Except those unofficial people like PUAs or people teaching self help techniques. They just OWE their time and energy to the world and are entitled douchebags if they believe that other people should EVER give them anything in return for their time and energy.

    It’s rare for someone to say “therapy is bullshit” because it’s accepted in the mainstream. And if there is a REALLY shitty therapist, they will have to be really, REALLY shitty to be recognized as such. Because there’s so much mainstream faith in conventional psychology, the baseline assumption is that it works, that it HAS to work, because these people went to COLLEGE for this, so….if it isn’t working, let’s blame the patient FIRST, and then take it from there.

    It’s fucked up, but it’s the socially accepted norm.

    Was I making an ‘honest living’ doing shit I hated, that had nothing to do with anything I wanted, just to make money?

    No one EVER gave me shit about making money at a shitty retail store. Doing things I thought were completely pointless and wearing myself out to the point of exhaustion making 8 dollars an hour before taxes.

    I was GOOD, because I was a ‘hard worker,’ even though my boss treated me like shit and I always got rated a 3 on my reviews so they wouldn’t have to give me a decent raise, despite not missing a single day of work in 4 years and regularly covering other people’s shifts and being one of the fastest and most people-friendly workers in the store.

    That was GOOD. That just showed I had character.

    And anyway, who was I to want anything more from the company? It was my fault, after all, that I chose to work there. If I thought it was unreasonable that I wasn’t making even 10 dollars an hour after 5 years, well, then fuck me, I should just stop complaining.

    But also remember to keep working later than your assigned hours! I actually got chewed out a couple times for punching out when I was SCHEDULED to punch out. I was pissed that I wasn’t getting a decent raise or being treated with any kind of respect, so I just decided I was going to stop going the extra mile.

    Come Monday morning, I get yelled at for leaving at my scheduled time, and am told to “never do that again” and “you stay until we’re finished, do you understand me?”

    Despite my co-workers having the same job position, but coming in an hour LATER than me, after I was denied my request to come in at the same time they did so I could get more sleep in the morning because it was fucking me up.

    Anyway, I quit that job and have been working for myself and it’s been going infinitely better.

    But the ‘good worker’ who doesn’t rock the boat? That’s GOOD! — that is what society wants you to be.

    If some guy like Tyler makes money doing something he loves, or someone like the creator of Faster EFT makes money doing something he loves, that’s a threat to society.

    If they were working at Wal-Mart instead of teaching PUA or self-help skills for people with all kinds of issues, no one would be judging them. They wouldn’t open themselves up to all this criticism and hatred.

    And society would be perfectly happy for them to be perfect little corporate soldiers and just play by the rules instead of doing something with their lives that they actually WANTED to do.

    People have even gotten pissed at me, saying I’m “lucky” to know how to make money through my trade. A trade that I worked my ASS off for countless hours and years to get good at, and that I’m STILL busting my ass to improve at.

    Nobody handed it to me, but because it’s something I LIKE to do, and it isn’t conventional employment, it irritates other people. Some people think it’s cool and awesome. Other people think I don’t ‘deserve’ to make any money doing it or that it’s not worth pursuing further because it’s ‘not a real job.’

    And people still press me to go back to a minimum wage job that will sap my energy and keep me from investing time in building my business, because a minimum wage job is a more ‘sure thing.’

    People want to see me get into something like Wal-Mart and work my way up to MAYBE being a manager or something someday, at the most.

    That would make people happy for me. They don’t want to see me doing all this weird shit to make money. I have a few things I’m working on that are extremely unconventional ways to make money, and they’re all perfectly legal (lol), but they’re so off the wall, people just shoot it down without understanding it.

    They want me to stop doing it because it makes them uncomfortable, because they’re stuck in their jobs that they hate to death and seeing me do things that I like and make money at it makes them feel insecure, so they give me shit about it.

    Look at all the people who shit all over PUA because they say it’s a gimmick for people teaching it to make money. Same with Faster EFT. COMPLETELY disregarding the fact that there is so much FREE material for both sources on YouTube, you’d have to spend half your life to sift through everything available.

    Anyway, once I got over the fear that I was being “swindled” by Faster EFT, and realized that it has always worked for me, and always worked for the people I used it on, I started using it again.

    So it’s even taken a long time to get over the Meta Level BS. Like, oh, Tyler’s videos were great, but then I found out he’s made money at it. Or oh, Robert’s videos about FEFT were great, but then I found out he’s made money at it.

    I’d better go spend my money on CONVENTIONAL and MAINSTREAM things to get help, instead of watching FREE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE, because the people putting out these FREE VIDEOS have made money doing some of the things they talk about and teach in these FREE VIDEOS.

    Spot on with the re-programming. It’s taken years to condition bad behaviors and habits into our brains. And continuing that negative input will only make the process longer. Cutting off the negative shit and filling up your brain with exposure to positive, forward thinking and forward moving things has an effect over time.

    And probably more than we know. A ton of this stuff, if not mostly all of it, is subconscious. Positive and negative inputs will still work, but reducing the negative as much as possible and maximizing the positive as much as possible will, obviously, expedite the process.

  18. Oh, and guys, listen to Yareally about eschewing negativity from your lives. I stopped debating politics online, reading negative things etc. I was on this spiral down into the abyss of despair and sadness, but if you fill your life with positive messages, you’ll start feeling better. What I do now when I’m feeling bummed is put a happy song on repeat and karaoke it a few times. For some reason, it makes me happy and in a mood to socialize. I stopped reading Chateau Heartiste because it’s while I partially agree with the politics, both its message and the commenters are a negative influence(the latter are retarded too, I expect some to have clinical mental issues).

    Scrubblerg, I found that handling your shit first helps with gaming. For example, I’m getting a license, between jobs and the like. It’s hard for me to be in the proper mental state to flirt with women for a long time because my mind moves back to the other issues I’m handling.

  19. ” I stopped reading Chateau Heartiste because it’s while I partially agree with the politics, both its message and the commenters are a negative influence(the latter are retarded too, I expect some to have clinical mental issues).”

    Agree completely. All reading an echo chamber that proclaims ever more artfully just how doomed we are accomplishes is to make you feel doomed.

  20. OldOligarch

    I think contrast is good for attraction(if something is polarized sexually in our species) and commonalities good for comfort/rapport.

    Yup… Contrast + Frame is a good stand in for game… In a pinch, you won’t go much wrong at all if what YOU are doing is at contrast with the environment AND you have a strong frame, so you own it…

    Peacocking, direct opens, early kino, etc all contrast for example… I believe contrast alone signals outgroup status and therefore is attractive to women seeking superior/different/advantaged genes…

    Imagine a party… You show up wearing a costume, you are the only one… You are immediately set apart form the group… then imagine how you handle it… scenario a) your frame is strong and you own it like a boss, scenario b) you are uncomfortable and embarrassed and defensive…

    Which scenario is more attractive?

    When in doubt, while learning The Game, shade towards contrast…

  21. @OldOligarch

    Contast is king. But so too is congruence.

    I just had an exchange with a girl I’m banging where I shock her all the time.

    Her: I got a new dress, should I save the surprise until Saturday?

    Me; Hmmmmm. Will it make me want to fuck you right then and there

    Her: How would I know?

    Me: …

    Her: Or cuddle me and hold me close and be more nice

    Me: Nahhhhhh doesn’t sound like me at all

    Her: Can’t you try. be more open

    Me: Take me as I am

    These shit tests are crucial and so too is erring on the side of jerk when it’s clear she wants to know me more.

    I have made the mistake of actually taking the bait and saying something “nice”.

    It’s a salve…but longer time they lose respect and want someone more of a mystery that they can’t figure out.

  22. “The more you know about women, the more you will become spoiled. Your mind will be filled with rubbish; your mind will be stained.

    It is quite usual for us to gather pieces of information from various sources, thinking in this way to increase our knowledge. Actually, following this way we end up not knowing anything at all.

    Our understanding of women should not be just gathering many pieces of information, seeking to gain knowledge.

    Instead of gathering knowledge, you should clear your mind. If your mind is clear, true knowldege is already yours.”

  23. @AR
    No kidding Lordsburg,Seems at that time Arizona had some limits to serial monogamy,he had wore out his welcome in the courts and New Mexico was the closest option,Lords Burg catchy name for a wedding chapple.

    The point is his blue pill conditioning that he could only have sex when married,combined with a low self worth inspite of his being accomplished,so that when he ran out of material or when she excercised her will it was over leading him to get stuck in a cycle of serial monogamy.
    This guy pedestalized women,you couldn’t even say she gave me the crabs without him jumping to her defense and blaming it on you,yet at the same time could justify his own idiocy.
    Extreme case of BPD [blue pill disorder].

  24. “Now, fleezer, what were you saying, again, about Game?”

    did you write your name in spunk on the walls of her uterus?

    no?

    “I inadvertently, accidentally gamed a married woman”

    no. you talked to a married woman. this is what social interaction looks like between men and women. it’s always sexual. always.

    if you took her into the coat closet and shoved your cock down her throat with her husband in the next room you would have gamed a married woman. that’s a FR I’d love to read so be sure to post it when it happens

  25. @OldOli – Ya, it seems hard to game when my basic security issues are up in the air wrt my business and finances. However, it’s also an interesting test of my actual internals. Short version – am I really not my fucking khakis? Do I have intrinsic value as a human being to myself, regardless of my circumstances?

    In fact, what it reveals is that my internals are still oriented towards those externals. Answer: Yes, I am my fucking khakis…

    When I look deeper, what I find is I’m incongruent in my work/business life too. I’ve certainly not put the level of effort in that I could have to get ahead of the curve. I give myself way too much slack and usually I can make things work out by hustling. But in this case, my usual diving catch shit didn’t work out. I got a bit unlucky and instead of being ahead of the game – as i could have been, I’m not. So in reality what’s really eating away at me is that disconnect and the knowledge that I’ve made my own mess.

    But this week I’ve stepped up to it. No pity party nor a self-loathing festival either. Both are an utter waste and given by the ego/false sense of self that I maintained for a long time.

    >>I do a meditation sometimes that is very simple, to ground myself in the moment back to my actual self and the present moment.

    On the in breath I visualize that I’m breathing in all the love the people in the world have for me. Picture the people who love you and if you can, the compassion of your creator, and the love that is just out there in the world if you choose to take it in and be present to how much love people have. Visualize it as a golden stream of air/gas you are inhaling.

    On the out breath I visualize that I’m exhaling all the fear and anger and worry and hate inside of me. Picture it as stream of black, sooty smoke that you are pushing out of you. That you can’t stand to have inside of you.

    Simple version:
    In with the love
    Out with the jive

    Peace, out. Back to macking it!

  26. “Bruce Lee probably couldn’t play the guitar but that doesn’t invalidate what he taught.”

    no. early mma invalidated what he taught. bruce lee was a movie star, not a fighter.

    “Then why do we keep hearing “sorry I didn’t shave, I wasn’t expecting to come home with you tonight, I was really trying NOT to” ”

    lol. now we’re listening to what women say? lol.

    “…seems like a completely logical extrapolation to me lol”

    You’re the one who claimed you have “superpowers”. not me.

    “Pretty sure they don’t have a problem finding 3 guys who want to take a bootcamp:”

    living paycheck to paycheck. have to scrape together money to fly to seminars where they spew their manifestos. sounds like “superpowers” to me. lol

    “But the “smelling” keyword suggests you’re probably one of those pheromones and mirroring her bodylanguage guys which explains a lot ”

    nope. genes guy. which explains everything. pheromones? lol. is this 1985? read a fucking book instead of watching owen 24 hours a day.

    “THEN NO POINT LEARNING TO PLAY POKER, JUST PLAY RANDOM CARDS AND BET RANDOMLY MORAN!!!!111 lol”

    playing poker is in no way comparable to game. and if you play poker in the casino then you get what you deserve. the house always wins.

    “When does your next Jezebel article about how game would never work on the girls YOU know come out?”

    lol. I said game works. I know it does. the difference is you think you’re in charge and I know I’m not.

    you think you can “turn a girl around” when in fact you’re turning yourself around.

    you think the world is predictable and follows your rules. I know it doesn’t.

    anything not prohibited by the laws of physics can and will eventually happen.

    “Most PUAs still have some Blue Pill fantasies about settling down with the right girl.”

    lol. you said it.

  27. How i knew Game worked… every.single.jot.and.diddle… First “game aware” pick up… everything, and I mean everything that Yareally and Tyler and Julien and CH said worked exactly like they said it would… Pick up a 20 years younger pretty married woman from a crowded bar on a weeknight in under an hour – she never knew my name or what I did… Just had good game (some unknowing… lol) and good logistics and BUSTED a move…

    Scribbs… get out there… 7’s aren’t “dumpster diving” and they are plentiful…

    Encouraged by the recent softening of moderation… A story of my first red pill/game aware pick up. What I was thinking at the time or other commentary in [brackets]… was an eye opening experience for sure. TL/DR: Just some basic game, wall of text, nothing to see here move along… cool story bro!

    Spring day, one of the beautiful early ones, birds singing etc. Rolled into town with a new tie on that everyone was complementing strangers, dudes, women… [so I had a really good vibe going – the beginning of state]… Had a nice dinner and rolled into hotel lobby restaurant bar after for a drink and see what was going on. [I was just testing the waters… ironically because over the last 6 months prior my wife was shit testing the fuck out of me as we battled for Sex Rank dominance after a long beta period… I knew that lots of other women were into me, including lots of her friends, who would give IOI’s and tell her flat out I was looking hot etc… but she would still shit test me over sex, turn me down etc.. was confusing, so I had to prove it to myself that it wasn’t “me”].

    Get to the bar… there was a stool open between two older women (late 40’s) having dinner and three younger girls (mid 20’s) so I take it [game concept – proximity – conscious choice to be in a favorable social situation]. I don’t look at the young girls or the older women, just chat the bartender (dude) and order a drink and assume “bar posture” [consciously taking up space and projecting… arms spread past shoulders hands flat on bar, straight back, head up, bringing my drink up to my lips slowly… every movement thought out. Not thirsty for females]. After a few minutes I can tell the older women are business travelers, they are eating at the bar at 9:30 on a week night, and see they are married. Not interesting but I use them and engage in some mild banter [game concept – opening everyone you meet, spreading value, ignoring your targets] and from this can see the younger girls start eye coding me. Turns out the younger girls had just finished a networking event in a ballroom and were out to grab a drink before heading home.

    The girl right next to me was maybe an 8, but not my type. She was the one though who would think that she was the hottest of the group and the other two would agree. She was wearing a low cut short dress, C+ cup chest spilling out of the top, black hair all done up, spiked shoes, makeup etc. and she expected attention… She starts eye coding me then engages with an arm grab and asks my name. [since I know she is looking for attention I am intentionally aloof and barely turn my head to her, keep my body facing straight]. “tell you what…” I address her group now… “if any of you can guess my name I’ll give you a hundred bucks… I’ll even give you the first letter” Catnip. They all giggle excitedly and are now tossing off names [game concept – be mysterious, don’t be boring. Don’t give straight answers]. I’m making faces at them, telling them really? That’s all you can come up with etc. Making fun of them. They are giggling and having fun [game concept – disqualifying, making them work, entertaining, good feelings, commanding the interaction]. Then they switch gears and 8 says to me, well you guess our names…

    So I rise to that challenge by thoughtfully staring each of them in the face for 30 seconds each [direct eye contact, discerning frame]. The middle girl was a really cute natural 7. Clean, scrubbed, beautiful dress, long blond hair, athletic tone 5’ 7” body, little make up… looked like an early Tommy Hilfiger model. Totally my type. And wearing a wedding ring. And I could detect an air of her feeling second best in the looks department, which I also find attractive – demure perhaps? The third girl, who was sitting next to the 7 was probably the prettiest but she was black and I just have almost no attraction to black girls. But she was a tall very slender model type with beautiful teeth. They were all in marketing. After giving them the once over, I start back with the 8 “Prudence” then the 7 “Martha” and I look at the black girl quizzically and she erupts laughing “Don’t even start with that Taniqua shit!”… [Game concept – again, not giving straight answers, teasing] So we all have a laugh at that.

    Then they start asking me about what I do… and I try something I read online “why don’t you try and guess that” [again deflecting, being mysterious, qualifying] and they start tossing off “uhhh IDK… Something with money. Stocks” (girls really have no idea what guys do or how money is made lol) and I come back with “Bean Farmer” and we play with that a while. All this time I’m giving the 8 next to me very little direct eye contact or facing her directly, and she keeps grabbing my arm and pulling me to get my attention [game concept – qualifying, disqualifying, jealousy plots] and I’m cool with this because I like the 7… and it is not lost on the 7.

    She comes over so now I turn round and lean back against the bar and face her and we are all chatting. [alpha posture, leaning back, making them lean in] the 7 has her hand on the 8’s stool and she has a quarter sized birth mark on it. I look at it [because I know it will make her self conscious] and then the 8 makes some snide comment about it [and the 7 is a little flustered at this].. I keep eye contact with the 7 [laser eye game] and take her hand and rub the birthmark with my thumb and say “nah… you know what this is? This is where an angel kissed you” [game concept – kino] and her eyes melt and I can see the emotion in her face and the 8 has a slightly sour look on her face at this… then I raise her hand to my lips and kiss the birthmark and let her hand drop [more kino – sexualizing the situation, jealousy plots]… the 7 scurries around back to her seat at this, maybe a little flustered?

    I turn around and chat with the bartender again, order another drink. Check in with the older women to my right on their meal. [game concept – not chasing]. After a bit the younger girls engage me again and we are all just BS’ing. I walk over to the 7 and start chatting with her directly [game concept – isolation] and she is going on about Game of Thrones or some shit and I tease her about this [the whole time we are chatting I am laser eyeing the fuck out of her] and then she suddenly breaks off “I can’t do this” and I’m like “uhhhh what’s that?” and she goes “I can’t keep talking with you” and this sets off some interior alarm bells. [I’m thinking Oh shit I pushed this too far!] I’m like “huh why?” and she says “it’s too sexual” [now I am thinking oh shit I am that creepy older dude!] and I stumble a bit at this and just say “oh, uhh how do you feel about that” [I’m really thinking fuck, you are that creepy dude] and she says, with her head facing down and raising her eyes up to me “It’s… really hot” BAM! I was pretty surprised at this reaction to be honest. So we break contact, I go back over to my seat and sip my drink. [while this is a game concept at the time I was just regrouping LOL].

    After a bit mill back over to her and we pick up talking about her work and she gives me her card and then we talk about TV shows some more. She asks about Vampire shows (WTF!) and asks me if I am a vampire [at this point none of them know my name or what I do. Never told them. LOL. But I recognize this as her projecting a fantasy] and I say picking back up on her sexual comment, “if I was a vampire, I’d bite you right here” and stroke her jugular vein on her neck with my finger while laser eyeing her. Then I break contact and go back over to my seat next to the 8. Sip on my drink facing the bar. [game concept – the takeaway]. A few minutes later 7 comes up behind me and whispers in my ear “not here. Get two glasses of wine and meet me on the roof” she starts to walk away and I say “well I have a room upstairs” and she ambles out to the lobby. [game concept – secret society, ASD, not wanting her friends to know] Well well I’m thinking, this game stuff sure works. This whole interaction is only an hour in and she’s married and I am a total stranger, she doesn’t even know my name…

    I get the drinks and meet her in the lobby and we head up to my room [won’t lie, I was concerned this was some kind of setup, it just seemed so easy]. As we walk in, her in front of me, she waves her hands behind her ass and says “now now – nothing going on down here” and I just say “oh no, of course not” [just like all the game stuff says… ASD, LMR, just agree and go on… lol] and we sit down facing each other in two low chairs side by side and sip our wine and chat, a little about her marriage, her work etc. [game concept, not rushing in, I guess this was building more comfort as well] and she keeps peppering the conversation with questions about me “are you a doctor, a plastic surgeon” and I recognize this is all about projection [she is projecting her fantasies]. She puts her legs up across my knees and I am slowly stroking her calves and the back of her knee, really slow, unhurried. [game concept – kino, escalation ladder] While still sipping my wine. She is getting wound up though LOL. I put my glass down and look back and see she has her head thrown back and has lifted up her dress and wasn’t wearing any underwear [so much for her warning that nothing would happen!].

    Suffice it to say an engrossing time was had. Very hot. I just remember how freeing it was, to just do *whatever* I wanted with her and how unbelievably responsive she was, cumming at the slightest touches. I was her fantasy… her at 27 YO and me 20 years older. [game concept – dominance, leading, emotional] it really was awesome. I know I was supposed to feel shame and guilt, but it really felt incredible, like we had known each other our whole lives. Not a trace of self consciousness on either of our parts… I tell you after literally years of battling with my wife over sex, it was quite refreshing. As things started to wind down her phone was blowing up though… she kept ignoring it. I reached over and grabbed it “who is XXX?” and she groans, “that’s my husband. I need to get going.” I tell her stay, and she laughs and says “nooooononono I need to go”. We say are goodbyes, she was totally chill and cool. I walked her down and out to the lobby. [game concept – secret society, AWALT]

    I will tell you, afterwards the flood of dopamine I had was insane. Luckily I was able to ride it out and not do anything stupid. I did contrive all kinds of plans to call her and go meet up with her again. I can totally see how starved guys just lose it completely. But I threw her card away and eventually all that is left is this memory. It’s still very clear though, and how much everything about game crystallized and worked…

    Happy Friday

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/friendzoning-girls-as-a-pickup-strategy/#comment-677814

    A gaggle of sub 8’s…

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  28. @Forge

    This is all important stuff, and I’m realizing through these experiences that knowing a lot about game dynamics doesn’t do too much to protect you from rationalizing them away in the moment when you haven’t been burned a few times yet.

    doesn’t stop you from doing that even after you’ve been burned too…lol… (or had success)… it’s just part of the process of being human…

    Like, backing up a few steps the overall dynamic I was striking – and how to fix it – are obvious. But my brain just started fixating on details and rationalizing how this case was different, etc.

    happens to everybody…

    I’ll do my best to pull this chick around. There’s a good chance, she keeps re-engaging so there’s enough attraction for her to forgive a few small fuckups lol. If it doesn’t pan out that’s fine though, it’s already been a learning experience and a good barometer of progress.

    that’s a great plan. just remember AWALT…lol. so she’ll respond positively to good game techs…

    Frame is all in the details and I can’t write every detail, but wrt that the overall dynamic is we’re fighting each other like hell for the frame. She’s like a whopper bass, fighting the line, and I need poise, tenacity, and good judgement to land her.

    see how important it is to touch her!…lol… that’s what helps you set it up as YOUR frame… = we are still primates after all…

    A person with a good frame just has (to stretch the analogy) a trawler net where, boom, she’s caught, no real fight.

    she’ll still ‘fight’… but those shit tests will be easier to handle bc she’ll have more attraction faster…

    But I’m a hell of a lot further than I was even 6 months ago, where I was trying to catch fish with tissue paper instead of fishing line.

    props on putting in the work. this shit isn’t easy…

    But another thing – gaming this girl actually makes me MORE motivated to go out sarging. Because I know that if I can get more reference experiences in-field, I’ll start to see everything in better detail with this specific prospect as well.

    ‘BOOP’…’BOOP’…’BOOP’…’ALERT!’…’ONEITIS PROXIMITY DETECTED’…’ALERT!’…

    lol…but seriously, it’s fun isn’t it?…talking to cute girls, what’s not to like?…lol

    The biggest things aren’t even the sorts of things I’m doing or misinterpreting – it’s the incredible amount of possibilities in different circumstances that I’m not seeing.

    don’t worry about all that stuff you ‘can’t see’ (you’ll just get bogged down in the details…ask me how i know…lol)…you just need to START with one possibility… = p in v… for ONE girl first (doesn’t have to be ‘good girl’…lol…but it COULD be…lol)… and work that plan back to your opener… then execute… and you CAN see that much…

    Like, I don’t have any reference experience for just telling a girl to show up at my house, diffusing ASD, and getting the bang – so I don’t try it with a girl I have even a touch of investment in. I need to see it working before it becomes practically usable.

    ‘don’t’ =/= ‘can’t’…

    but ya, it’s tough when you’re still a virgin and have never had a GF before… and have never had a job… or never had any friends that you’ve invited anywhere to meet up… or hung out with them…or haven’t ever even watched any pron to know what sex even looks like…lol… it can be scary…(not kidding on that one…lol)

    like how you would never even look at youtube to figure out how to fix your sink… and then try that… or your car… and then try that… or to do some new body weight exercise/stretch… and then try that… or even make a sandwich… and then TRY that…or boil some eggs…blah, blah…lol…

    or watch some of those videos that YaReally posts… and then TRY that…lol

    how’s that buffer treating you?…

    can you feel the FI pushing on you?… bc a cute girl WOULD be totally thrilled to get a call from someone who sees himself as the prize… and has demonstrated high value to her… and has granted her the opportunity to spend some sexy time with him… and the FI can’t have THAT…lol…

    good luck!

  29. stuffinbox
    The point is his blue pill conditioning that he could only have sex when married,combined with a low self worth inspite of his being accomplished,so that when he ran out of material or when she excercised her will it was over leading him to get stuck in a cycle of serial monogamy.

    That right there is confusing the form with the substance, it’s like the way some of the Moslem sects allow for a 2 hour “marriage” and insist it’s not prostitution.

    This guy pedestalized women,you couldn’t even say she gave me the crabs without him jumping to her defense and blaming it on you,yet at the same time could justify his own idiocy.
    Extreme case of BPD [blue pill disorder].

    “Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal” – Robert A. Heinlein.

    I once knew a man who owned essentially nothing. All his stuff was in his girlfriend’s name. Not his wife, his girlfriend. He was in his mid 50’s, she was, eh, probably 3 to 5 years younger. He had five (5) ex-wives, and anything he earned over the bare minimum to survive went to one of them, apparently. So everything was in her name. At the time I was confused, because I was taught “provider game” and he clearly wasn’t providing squat. Duh, he was Lover Man, that’s how he wound up getting divorced 5 times and yet with a girlfriend who doted on him.

    Oh, and for the “you gotta be jacked!” dudes, this mid-50’s man smoked like a chimney and had a beer sack. But he also had a ton of funny stories from his own past, some that probably he’d stolen from other men, some that were probably made up, and he was a pretty good salesman because he was chill and charming.

    Last time I saw him he was driving in a Jeep to the rifle range, she was riding shotgun, with a real-deal machinegun in the back that she’d pretty much bought for “them”. This was a few years back, in that day that was, hmm, probably $5,000 worth of metal in the back. That’s how much she lurved her 5-time loser.

  30. fleezer

    no. you talked to a married woman. this is what social interaction looks like between men and women. it’s always sexual. always.

    LOL at your frustration. Just keep telling yourself “Game only works on bar skanks!”, ok?

    Hey, what’s new on “Game of Thrones”? For sure I have no clue, but I bet you’re all up to date on it.

  31. “For sure I have no clue, but I bet you’re all up to date on it.”

    you’re right about not having a clue. I don’t have a fucking tv. let’s trade reading lists instead of talking about ghey scripted drama so I might be able to actually discover something new today

    “LOL at your frustration”

    what the fuck are you talking about. what you described as “game” is what men engage in every single day without a second thought.

    I “lazered” at least ten women while talking to them today, and that was before 8 am. the first one was at 4:53a when I “lazered” a little blonde 6 through the glass doors of the gym and she opened it early for me so I got my rack while the other bros sat in their trucks waiting. is that worth a fucking post? nope. it’s called leaving the house while having a cock. women tend to respond.

    the fact that you bothered to post about a conversation you had with a woman that didn’t end in a blow job is hilarious. you call it “game” while she won’t even remember what you talked about. instead she’ll be blowing her husband

    I think the first year of “pick up” camp should really be called, “how to leave your house and talk to other humans”

    just because puas have names for all this shit doesn’t mean it’s game. it’s basic human interaction. when men and women interact it’s sexual because that’s how our species is. sexual

    “Just keep telling yourself “Game only works on bar skanks!”, ok?”

    game is just another word for man’s original nature. the thing about original nature is that you’re born with it.

    and you can have every single bar skank out there. bars are about 27th on my list of places to hang out and there are more than enough hot women around everywhere to “lazer”. and alcohol is poison.

    wilt the stilt fucked 20,000. guess what percentage of total women that is? hint: it’s got a way negative power.

    I’m realizing that pua does not equal red pill and in many ways they are actually antagonistic. pua = statist. red pill = anarchist. anarchy requires the highest level of self-reliance and human cooperation. two things men are naturally very good at.

    how many anarchists do you know? hint: if you vote you’re not an anarchist and you’re acting against your original nature and long term best interests

  32. “Just keep telling yourself “Game only works on bar skanks!”, ok?”

    game is just another word for man’s original nature. the thing about original nature is that you’re born with it.

    Cool, but some men get that trained out of them. So they need to rewire their neural pathways, and there’s ways to do that.

    Why does that fact make you so butthurt-angry?

    and you can have every single bar skank out there.

    Doesn’t change the fact: you said that Game only works on some women, that’s not true, and you can’t admit it for whatever reason. Not my problem, but you might want to take a look at it. Maybe some Madonna/Whore issues? Maybe lingering butthurt? Dunno, but you’re like a windup toy – push the button, watch you go!

    LOL @ your remarks about anarchists, who cares? That’s just another deflection away from the topic at hand, your issues with Game that keep bringing you back here, sobbing “Guys! That game thing? We’re all born with it! But it only works on skanks! BooHooHoo!”

    I mean, geeze, you’re really repetitive about this, like some whiny MGTOW.

  33. @fleezer

    “I’m realizing that pua does not equal red pill and in many ways they are actually antagonistic. pua = statist. red pill = anarchist. anarchy requires the highest level of self-reliance and human cooperation. two things men are naturally very good at.”

    i’d actually reverse it.

    red pillers are very statist, usually. they just want a different state than the one we currently have. they want to return to a bygone era 50 years ago….but they still want to restrict shit in their favor.

    it’s not like women were happy 60 years ago. society was shitty for them. they ARE people….

    pua’s are all about giving you the tools you need to survive whenever however.

    game allows you to create your own reality and have success with it.

    you want the Disney-life, you can make a good attempt at it, but you need some tight game/psychological dominance/whatever

    you want the cad life, the same.

    and anything in between

  34. Ah, it’s clear now. Fleezer’s an anarchist, lol. The anti-social approach to political philosophy…What’s most hysterical about anarchists? They are far bigger Utopians than any Marxist. And for those of you who aren’t steeped in it, anarchy is essentially the absence of political philosophy. One has to skip thinkerd like Aristotle and Hobbes (to name just two) in order to hold such beliefs. Anyone who would like to see it and Social Justice Theory decimated, read Robert Nozick’s Anarchy, State and Utopia published in ’74, I think. I was in part a response to Rawls’ A Theory of Justice, which is the philosophical basis of Social Justice Theory. Rawls was awarded The Medal of Freedom in 1998 by that scumbag lowlife Bill Clinton, who stated at the ceremony that Rawls had “saved Democracy” with his work. Yet most right wingers who prattle on about politics and philosophy and the left don’t even know who in the fuck Rawls is. It’s quite rich that Nozick could dispose of Rawls and anarchy in one work, but that really is only a testimony to the vapidity of both ideas rather than Nozick’s brilliance.

    @Sentient – Cool story bro…he he. Your commentary is so great. Thx to everyone else too. My ups and downs always end up in an “up” that has more wisdom and growth. @Ya – Also loved the Tyler vid about how to break through that self-image shit with massive action, spot on. Along with all the rest.

    As for the Sub-8s – wood, wood, wood, wood etc…

    Back to the fracas!

  35. @Andy

    “would, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, would, would, would, would, ehhh – probably, would”

    No to the blonde second from the left? What the f?

  36. @Yareally sentient and any other men who go out:

    FR of death

    Holy shit last night was a very interesting night, a beautiful disaster. Lots of good, lots of bad, lots of ugly. All of it was a learning experience. I wouldn’t change a thing. It’s crazy how much game has changed me. If I didn’t have high self-esteem and didn’t know my worth, last night would have hurt bad. Instead it makes me laugh. And it makes me proud. Proud that I am not thirsty enough to let women walk all over me…

    So my date hit me up around 9 and confirmed I was going to meet her soon. I put on a RSD motivational playlist and got myself in state before heading out. I headed out alone. I was ready to close.

    I get to the spot and park; I am a few minutes early. I decided to use this as a chance to warm up. I ask a few strangers for directions (for real, not just as an excuse to open). Then I find the spot and get in the long entrance line.

    Slim pickings and my date isn’t here yet so I try Yareallys trick of waiting til I was near the front of the line and then going to the back in line to meet new people. I open two Korean girls, just friendly small talk/joking. But they start talking over each other trying to keep my attention/qualifying to me. Good! Opened the girl behind us too, brought her in to convo.

    I need a drink of water so I decide to head in. Alone. LOL PTSD flashback! Haha not really, but it reminded me of Spring Break when I was like 18 or 19 and I walked around the whole night along trying to look cool, waiting for girls to open me and being a chode. This environment is similar very crowded, very dark, very loud. But in my gut I know tonight will be great.

    I get in line to get a water (I was trying to be cheap; my date had said she was gonna pay the cover but here we go again, she is late. Getting tired of her flaky shit already). I talk to a guy next to me since theres no girls around me. After I get my water I go stand and watch the band performing. This was interesting to me because I genuinely enjoyed watching the band. I noticed a few guys that were staring at their phone or scanning the room. They don’t look like they are having fun. Reminded me of 18 year old me. Anyways its fucking loud as shit so I just enjoy 3-4 songs until they finish and its break time.

    I head outside to the smoking area. It’s crowded as fuck. I open a 2 set of Asian girls (different ones) by commenting “fuck its crowded” or something. They share their cig with me. A few guys try to join our convo, I welcome them but they are too nervous or I don’t know what, maybe intimidated by me they keep dropping out. I talk to these girls for about 10 minutes, and then they go back inside. I sat down by myself. This was also interesting. In the past, when I’ve sat down alone in a crowded area, it felt awkward as fuck. This time I tried to just focus on enjoying the music, the large crowd. Basically I just sit there but I am not hugging myself/arms folded and I am not clutching onto the bench. I look and feel relaxed, like I’m sitting at home on my couch.

    The next wave of people come out to the smoking area. I see this guy, late 30s walking out with a cane. This poor guy is my hero; he is fighting a crazy tide of people with a cane. It was difficult for ME to get around the club to the smoking area, he was nearly tripping every step, people were rudely bumping him. He sees me see him and I give him the nod of approval. He comes over and we start talking. He explains he got hurt in an accident recently. He reminds me of the guys from Californication; he has the same confident vibe I have, holds eye contact when he talks and doesn’t seem needy. We have a real conversation. Ya its just small talk but two guys on either side of us chime in and join the convo. Then they are all sharing their cigs with me.

    Suddenly a young girl HB6 (some might rate her higher cuz she was 24, fit and dressed sexy but she had a pig nose lol, major turn off for me) comes and asks to sit down next to me. She puts herself in a corner alone next to me. She is listening to my convo with Cane guy. I remember how Yareally said if you add value people will love you. And if you toss a girl at guy, he will love you even if the girl isn’t into him. I loop her into the convo, introduce her to Cane guy. She explains she is leaving town and moving away in a few days (now why would she tell me that lol hmmmmmm haha) and tells me about her super cool job. So I keep bringing the girl into Cane guy’s comments, basically playing matchmaker.

    She tells me her friends are on the other side of the smoking area watching us. They call her on the phone and tell her to come back but she keeps talking to me and Cane guy. Cane guy is actually a cool guy, very friendly and shares his cigs. Cane guy is also opening more random people and pulling them into our group, I knew he was cool lol. A few minutes later my date calls me and tells me she is running late (no shit) but her single friend is gonna come to, separately. I text my buddy and tell him if he’s interested, come meet us so he can wing. HB6s friends walk over and tell her to go inside with them. I introduce myself to them and they say we are going inside so I say goodbye.

    My buddy texts me he is walking in and brought another homie. A minute later my date texts me she is walking in. It’s an hour and half after our date was supposed to start. I’m annoyed in one sense but I made the most of the night and had fun so I wasn’t mad at her. The old me probably would have left the club in a huff at 10:50 cuz she didn’t show and the social pressure of being alone. The new me is gonna have fun and make it a memorable night no matter what happens.

    My buddy and another homie show up. They join me and Cane guy and the rest of our motley crew, we all laughing and talking and smoking. I am still drinking water only paid the cover.

    My date finally gets inside. She looks hot as fuck. I look like a scumbag, per usual lol. Her friend will be arriving in the next half hour.
    Over the next few minutes she signals we are right back where we left off. She grabs me, hugs me, were holding hands to lead through the crowds, her hands on my chest, we kiss but I keep it classy, break off the kisses keeping it in boyfriend mode not horny dog mode. We get drinks, her treat for being late and not buying my entrance fee like she had said (I called her on it). I lead her to my friends. I make her climb with my friends to an area that no one else can access because it’s kinda dangerous lol. My and my buddies are posted up there with her and Cane guy is below us holding court.

    She is hot but I am starting to realize this chick is loopy. Her conversation makes me realize she might be BPD. Like she has a split personality, one minute sweet the next minute saying mean borderline fucked up shit. She talks like she half asleep and doesn’t really seem to be at 100% lol. I notice the 1000 cock stare. We hang out talking. I bring up sexy topics and mix in with comfort building topics.

    Her friend arrives so we all head inside to find her. My date is getting stared at by every guy around us. Girls are throwing me siiick IOIs due to social proof and pre-selection. Her friend is hot but bitchy HB8 brunette. She immediately tries to intimidate my friends, very standoffish. Like when we are all dancing together, HB brunette always makes a turn or move to separate herself so it doesn’t look like she’s dancing with my friends.

    My date and I are laughing and dancing, having a good time. Her friend starts to get a bitchy look on her face (resting bitch face). HB brunette tells my date she wants to go downstairs (my date told me a few minutes later). My date ignores her and keeps dancing with me. HB brunette walks off. A few minutes later HB brunette comes back and does the same shit, won’t dance with my friends only dances with my date. While I am getting waters at the bar, a guy starts hitting on my date. When I return I introduce myself with a smile and hand her her drink. Not mate guarding tho I didn’t put my hands on her. He gets the picture and gives me a dap for having a hot girl, “damn dude good work” lol.
    We see the HB6 pig nose from early. She sees my date and throws me massive IOIs. I open her but she acts too cool/butt hurt/jealous and walks away.

    More dancing. Then while I am talking with my buddies, my date and HB brunette walk off downstairs. I assume it’s to use the restroom and keep having fun with my buddies. About 10 minutes pass and now it’s about to be closing time, house lights are coming on, staff cleaning up. I head down stairs and don’t see them. My buddy sees her and her friend dancing with a couple of guys. But she is like pushing them away/trying to keep them from hitting on my date too much. She is wasted. More wasted than the last time I saw her. I walk over, smile and start dancing. One of the guys trys to AMOG me, “Hey man she’s with me.” “Sure she is” I smile and keep dancing. Then she drunkenly mutters something about me “ditching her.” I’m confused.

    My opinion of what happened is she walked downstairs with her friend and while in a super wasted state, started dancing with one of these guys and probably made out with him. Cuz the other dude looks serious. Like he really thinks I’m a creep trying to harass his woman. HB brunette says my date is wasted. My date now looks batshit crazy to me. Like she smiles at me and touches my cheek lovingly, then the next second her body language makes it look like I’m some weirdo all up in her space.

    I don’t really care if she wants to go with these guys but it’s weird because 20 minutes ago she was horny talking about us going back to her apartment and me leaving by 5am. I try one last time to speak to her but her friend HB brunette starts screaming at me, “LEAVE HER ALONE SHE DOESN’T WANT TO TALK TO YOU!!” Now we are making a scene lol.

    I smile and say, ok have a great night ladies and walk away. As I am walking away, my date is smiling and blowing kisses at me and motioning to me with her hands to come back. Also her eyes keep rolling back. So now I realize she must do this kind of thing a lot (get really drunk, attract lots of guys looking to score an easy lay up, needs her girlfriends to guard her and keep her from sleeping with random guys, starts “lets you and him fight” situations).

    Guys, I fucking swear to god, if I hadn’t been studying game and had solid internals, this incident would have fucked me up. Like I could have felt humiliated and embarrassed and cucked. But instead I feel like I dodged a bullet. I feel proud of myself. I went out alone. I am 32 years old, and last night was the first time I have ever gone out completely solo to a crowded night club in another city far from my house (spring break back when in was 18 was different; I had just gotten separated from my buddies). AND I HAD A BLAST! Even if my date had never shown up I still had fun, spend very little money and didn’t drink. It was all my personality and bust a move attitude 🙂

    I also learned that someone trying to humiliate me only works if I value their opinion. These girls acted like immature children. Not what I am looking for. Like even if the other guys situation didn’t happen, and my date and I banged I still would have told her that being late was not cool and punished her. After what went down, I realized she has no respect for men or me. Her beauty spoiled her; she has gotten away with being a shitty girl/girlfriend because she is smoking hot and guys in the past haven’t called her on her shit. I decide that I am not going to contact her again. If she contacts me again, she is going to have to work to get back in my good graces.

    My and my buddies go get food (meet a couple more girls lol but they are drunk, married, and not worth the trouble). I felt certain HB brunette was sober enough to get my date home so I don’t worry about her and enjoy my food and have fun with my friends. One of my buddies says, “You win some, you lose some.” Aint that the truth lol.

    One of my buddies wisely says, “It’s not over. She’ll probably call you.” We finish eating and head home. I am pulling into my neighborhood, its past 3:00 am when my phone rings. …It’s my date. I answer out of curiosity. She could be in jail, she could be trying to booty call, she could be calling to apologize (LOL not likely). She sounds wasted. She says “Where are you come over. I will text you my address” She has the ‘I want to fuck’ sexy voice but I can tell she’s wasted.

    Before I get the chance to yell at her, she hangs up. This bitch actually thinks that after all that shit, I was going to turn around and drive back 30+ minutes just to fuck her. I pull into my drive way and have a come to jesus moment. I reflect on my life, women, game, my values, and the events of the evening. She texts and her address pops up on my phone screen.

    If I drive back and fuck her, what does that say about me? Does it mean I am tenacious, a man on a mission, a closer?

    Or does it mean I am a thirsty bitch with no self-respect who lets women walk all over me? A guy who will be a punching bag as long as it results in pussy. She showed up an hour and a half late, invited her friend which meant it was not a “date” and she went full retard by making a scene, could have got me into a fist fight with one of those dudes if I was the jealous type or tried mate guarding, and basically acted like a spoiled rotten child. Then she has the balls to call me, act like nothing happened and demand sex. Basically she is a ZFG alpha chick who is used to bullying weak men. She was very different from how she acted when I met her originally.

    My gut said, “dude you KNOW that when you pull up to her place she isn’t going to answer her phone or will already be passed out. She doesn’t respect you. You are gonna probably end up driving out there for nothing and you have to get up for work in 3 hours.”

    I decide that I am going to go inside and get some sleep. I put my phone on silent and go to sleep. As I drift off I think of how I made a night that could have been terrible and haunted me into a night that proves how far along I’ve come. I went out alone, made friends and had a good time. I turned down hot pussy and kept my self-respect. I have boundaries and expectations and I would rather take the L than let a woman make me follow her frame.

    I am finally breaking the spell that Top Shelf Pussy had over me. Every guy who saw my date opened a door for her, or got out of her way or got nervous body language as she approached them. I used to be the same with turbo hotties. Now I still feel the sting of approach anxiety but I fight past it. And once I’m in, I am getting better at treating them like 6s instead of like 10s. They like it way better, much more genuine interactions when you aren’t putting a girl on a pedestal and instead just be real, teasing and talking shit.

    5 or 10 years ago, I would have cut off my best friends’ arms to fuck a girl this hot. Now I know women. I can hit up one of my plates and get laid anytime I want so why the fuck would I put up with a girl acting like this?
    I wont 🙂

    My friend said it best: “Damn…it was weird because they were so beautiful but they acted so ugly.”

  37. KFG “not even pith”

    Not even pith? You know, they have pills for that now. Those bicycle seats can be murder on the undercarriage…

  38. Quixotic – man that was a great story…

    “If I drive back and fuck her, what does that say about me? Does it mean I am tenacious, a man on a mission, a closer?

    Or does it mean I am a thirsty bitch with no self-respect who lets women walk all over me?”

    This here, this is why pursuing the Platinum Rule works [do whatever YOU want to do whenever YOU want to do it], you really can’t go wrong either way!

    as to your girl, sounds like she was taking something… drugs… Common.

    But this here man “We see the HB6 pig nose from early. She sees my date and throws me massive IOIs. I open her but she acts too cool/butt hurt/jealous and walks away.” man I hate that shit.. still hate it… sometimes when you are going out of your way to generate value and be chill and talk with everyone, this kind of things happens, the 6’s and below use it for their own validation… annoying.

  39. “Soon there will be war. Millions will burn. Millions will perish in sickness and misery. Why does one death matter against so many? Because there is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I shall not compromise in this. But there are so many deserving of retribution … and there is so little time.” – Rorschach

  40. @Quixo – Great stuff, learning a ton from reading these FRs, keep ’em coming. One thought. The HB8 might be a pillhead. She may have been on oxy or vicodin or percoset and a few drinks makes her legless, but she starts off unstable and just off. A lot of guys miss chicks with drug problems for some reason. Of course, I don’t know either. Just a thought, really. Her friend might be uber-protective because she knows. Good on you for not being a pussy beggar but instead seeing yourself as actually valuable.

  41. @ Quix

    Awesome FR.

    Makes me want to go out. My first thought is that it would just be fun. Meeting new people and everything.

    When you mentioned how they were sharing their cigs it reminded me (even though I’ve been quitting on and off) that I make my own. Get whole tobacco leaves, shred them, blend them and case them, and use a tube injector.

    People can get fixed on their brands, but it can be a really good opener. If I notice anyone smoking, a little while after they’re done with a cig I’ll just drop that I make my own blended cigs and ask if they want to try one.

    I do have to dial down the autism, lol, but if I don’t get into it more than that, it usually goes over pretty well. A lot of times people won’t want one, but when they do and try it, and really like it, it seems to make a good impression.

    Overall I just really like sharing things I enjoy with people. Been brewing my own booze and people are really interested in that, and that can be a great opener too or something to just get some small talk going.

    I’m also huge into music and know a lot about building and working on instruments, so there’s another thing.

    Anyway, reading through your FR just got me thinking about all this and just wanting to get out and interact with people. It’s reminding me there’s a lot of fun out there I could be missing out on.

    Major social anxiety to overcome, and yeah, it’d help if I had friends around here who went out (none of my friends do), but it is what it is.

    I met the girl I’ve been seeing at a party anyway, a party where I knew NO ONE and just went to to push myself beyond my comfort zone, so I already know I can do it.

    Inspiring stuff, thanks for sharing.

  42. @Softek, dude, a great anxiety breaker for you is a site I found recently called National Day Calendar DOT com. Take today for example. … IT’S FREAKIN “NATIONAL HIGH FIVE DAY” Can you think of ANY easier open than this!!!! I’ve already used it twice today and people love it. Get’s you in perfect state. Bookmark that site and use it each day as a fall back opener resource!

    @Quix, also, don’t feel bad about that girl you didn’t drive back over to see. Girls like that don’t yet know how replaceable they will become:
    http://www.autoblow2.co.uk/

  43. @sentient

    “This here, this is why pursuing the Platinum Rule works [do whatever YOU want to do whenever YOU want to do it], you really can’t go wrong either way!
    as to your girl, sounds like she was taking something… drugs… Common.”

    Thanks man. Long live the platinum rule brother. And I agree in retrospect she had to be on vikes or something. Reply to your FR coming shortly

    @scribblerg

    “ Great stuff, learning a ton from reading these FRs, keep ’em coming. One thought. The HB8 might be a pillhead. She may have been on oxy or vicodin or percoset and a few drinks makes her legless, but she starts off unstable and just off. A lot of guys miss chicks with drug problems for some reason. Of course, I don’t know either. Just a thought, really. Her friend might be uber-protective because she knows. Good on you for not being a pussy beggar but instead seeing yourself as actually valuable.”

    Thanks man. Like you and @sentient said, yes I agree she def was medicated and not just drunk. She got loopy as fuck. Sad stuff.

    Scribblerg – I used to be you. Remember that when you read my FRs 
    I might be younger but I have read enough of your posts to see you are just in pain and this will pass if you force it to. Replace negative thoughts and experience points with new positive thoughts and experience. It aint over til the fat lady sings so get your ass in gear. Make yourself uncomfortable. Make today count. Even if all you do is open a lady at the post office, take action. I used to be down in the dumps and feeling sorry for myself, bitter and angry at the world. It’s part of taking the red pill. The medicine is not supposed to go down tasting good. You can do this. All you lurkers, you can do this. I used to be a lurker too. What Yareally and sentient and other PUAs talked about on forums seemed impossible. Now I am doing it. You can do it too.

    Because of Men. Because of the Brotherhood you see on this site and others in the manosphere. Men who have never seen me and will probably never meet me but they BELIEVED in me. They believed in Man’s ability to take any subject and use logic and analysis to find a strategy. White knights call it “cheating;” we call it “being prepared.” Rollo is changing people’s lives. CH and Yareally and the RSD guys are changing people’s lives. These men raised me up and we will raise you up to. But you have to want it and TAKE ACTION. Just wanting it is not enough. We can send good feelz your way all day but it’s ultimately about what you do with it. I knew for years I needed to lose 100 pounds. But until I was ready to take action and be disciplined that knowledge was useless. Once I got fit I still had fucked up internals. Now I am finally getting to where i want to be. I am failing my way to success. That is how we learn. Keep going brother.

    “The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places.” – Hemingway

  44. Finding the red pill was one of the best things ever to happen to me. Once you internalize that your a high value man, woman will treat you like one. If they don’t there are 10 other girls who will. In an ltr don’t let your woman forget it. My girlfriend mentioned love the other day and I said that I love her conditionally. You see woman love men conditionally, when you learn to love a woman that way she understands it.

  45. @Quixotic

    If only more guys would be like you, we could drive the price of pussy lowwwwww as fuck.

    @ScribblerG

    You’re only a fraud if you quit, sen-sei.

    @fleezer….I think was his name.

    I’m thinking about looking into something from the PUA world called “fractionation”. Heard of it?

  46. YaReally Sentient HABD Wala Forge Scribblerg Scray et al

    Not caught up with last few days of comments yet but not a great start to Blitz Week Days 1 &2 – yesterday and today.

    Basically I’ve been feeling awful from jet lag, exhaustion plus some mild flu. Not bed ridden but functional only with coffee and meds.

    Still, I didn’t want to waste time in the big city so I forced myself out on both days just to do a bit of street/coffee shop game. Only managed a couple of openers each day but glad I did that much (even though I was so out of it that I had to think really hard to formulate basic speech – I kept reminding myself that Neil Strauss in The Game had his first threesome like that).

    Anyway..one terrible street approach at traffic lights yesterday – I made some comment about how the lights hadn’t changed and the girl vaguely nodded at me and then literally stepped several paces away. But then I replayed it in my head and it was *terrible* – voice was more of a croak, there was no EC and it was sort of half-hearted over my shoulder..no wonder it got such a bad reaction.

    Went it to McDonalds just after that because I hadn’t eaten most of the day and needed to get something down and as soon as I walked in, I got rock solid EC and got checked out by jailbait brunette HB7 – couldn’t have been more than 16 max (maybe less), sitting there with her fat friend and some guy twice my size (looked like a football player and had his back to me). I’m not stupid enough to go down that path, but I mention it only because I now have the awareness to notice it, and to emphasise that it still happened even though I’m (a) more than twice her age at 36 (with as much gray hair as any 50 year old)..and (b) I was exhausted and looked like shit and dressed in rumpled clothes and unshaven

    Did have one good approach at a coffee shop in the line today (heh, reminded me of Sentient’s coffee shop line where he does so many opens) – cute mid 20s HB7 blew open straight away..she didn’t hear my situational opener the first time and then I repeated it slowly while lasering her and she engaged but then got her takeaway coffee and ran out (she was in a hurry she told me).

    I did have an online date set up for today – she was a HB6 but really keen and responsive and eager to meet up and qualifying to me, including confirming a few hours ahead. But I just home from being totally stood up, waiting near the bar with no sign of her. That’s incredibly rare. I get flaked on all the time, but this is only the second or third time in 3.5 years of fairly active online dating that’s happened. Bizarre given how responsive she was (she texted quite a while later apologising saying there was an emergency..which may or may not be true, but doesn’t explain why she didn’t spend one second on WhatsApp telling me – I could see her online on WhatsApp when I was waiting for her).

    Not that she was a big loss, but it’s annoying to waste my time like that when I could have spent my limited energy when sick doing something else – it’s the opportunity cost. And it really brought home to me how I end up in scarcity mentality each time I have to spin up for a new Blitz Week in the big city because by then it’s been ages since I’ve had sex and I get outcome-focussed (which is why I scheduled the date at all instead of doing pure cold approach). I’m sure it comes out in my subcomms too (but then again I’ve been getting some IOIs still, so I guess subcomms not too terrible).

    I also tried to setup an online date yesterday but with a couple girls who I’d had Day 2s with but couldn’t make it work. “Epiphany chick” tried to make me come to her part of town (where I couldn’t control logistics for sex – remember we’ve not had sex yet – only a HJ) and I refused. And then another online girl (early 30s HB6.5) I had a good Day 2 with last month (sexual topics, good compliance, she came in and kissed me..but suddenly said she needed to go home when I was thinking about pulling her) wouldn’t come over either.

    See the text exchange below with that girl (slightly changed so that it can’t be googled) – I’m not sure how well I handled this or what I could have done better (except amped attraction/disqualification better at our first meeting) – should I have openly disqualified sex? Like “Oi, don’t get ideas..you’d better keep your hands off me” type thing? I figured it might be falling into her frame when she was so persistent on the subject:

    [20/04/2016 17:36] Me: Hey
    [20/04/2016 17:36] Her: Hey
    [20/04/2016 17:38] Me: What’s your schedule today/tomorrow?
    [20/04/2016 17:39] Her: I’m on my way home now
    [20/04/2016 17:40] Her: Tomorrow I am working
    [20/04/2016 17:42] Her: Why?
    [20/04/2016 17:46] Me: Come over and hang out tonight for a while. Not too late though. I have an early start tomorrow
    [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;)
    [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda for tonight?
    [20/04/2016 18:16] Me: Come for a drink and we’ll take it from there. If you’re a really good girl I may take you for the best ice cream in town 😉
    [20/04/2016 18:18] Her: That could be a very expensive ice cream 😁
    [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: We’ll see
    [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: Can you make it to [NEAR ME/SHE IS 20 MINS AWAY] by 8?
    [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see
    but seeing is believing..
    And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact what are you saying? 😏
    [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: Haha
    [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: 8pm at [NEAR ME]
    [20/04/2016 18:33] Me: You can explain what that means in person 😜
    [20/04/2016 18:36] Her: So I should take that as a guarantee, but what are you guaranteeing ?😬
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: 8pm
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: See you then..
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: Ice cream is on the line [I WAS GOING TO STOP WITH THIS TEXT AND NOT REPLY TO ANYTHING SHE SAID UNLESS IT WAS CONFIRMATION SHE WAS COMING]
    [20/04/2016 18:43] Her: Ice cream? Why..so cold [AT THIS POINT I AM STARTING TO THINK SHE’S JUST MESSING WITH ME AND HAS NO INTENTION OF COMING OUT BUT ENJOYING THE TEXTING]
    [20/04/2016 18:55] Me: I am going to check out a comedy show [I SPENT SOME TIME THINKING IT OVER AND THOUGHT THAT SINCE SHE’S FOCUSSED ON TRYING TO GET ME TO ADMIT I WANT TO BANG HER, WHICH I’M NOT GOING TO DO, I SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO GIVE SOME PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY FOR HER ASD, SO I SAID THIS ABOUT CHECKING OUT A COMEDY SHOW NEARBY EVEN THOUGH I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED NOT TO REPLY..BUT KEPT IT VAGUE]
    [20/04/2016 18:55] Me: Do you like jokes
    [20/04/2016 18:57] Her: What’s wrong
    Did the ice cream melt..?..quick put it back in the freezer.. [AT THIS POINT I WAS NEAR CERTAIN SHE WAS MESSING WITH ME AND WASN’T GOING TO COME BUT THOUGHT I MAY AS WELL KEEP IT GOING FOR PRACTICE]
    [20/04/2016 19:00] Me: Ice cream at home..? You might be a crazy stalker type..how do I know you’re safe to let into my home?
    [20/04/2016 19:04] Her: You say :Am I safe to let me into your home
    But I didn’t ask
    You requested me
    [20/04/2016 19:05] Her: But just like a Genie what is it you want?
    [20/04/2016 19:08] Me: Let’s continue in person. I want to test you on comedy
    [20/04/2016 19:09] Me: Make it 815 actually [AND HERE FINALLY I STOP TEXTING]
    [20/04/2016 19:12] Her: How are you going to test me on comedy when it seem like you have a problems focusing 😁

  47. @ fleezer

    ” the fact that you bothered to post about a conversation you had with a woman that didn’t end in a blow job is hilarious. you call it “game” while she won’t even remember what you talked about. instead she’ll be blowing her husband”

    Lmfao. Man, you crack me up.

    Practicing Game is a learning experience many times. Getting dick sucked is a whole other level. I get it, when you are explaining to other men what transpired in a given interaction, it can sound a little cumbersome to those that aren’t trying to learn anything.

    Lol, go easy man, damn!!!!

    Let’s see…. I interacted with 3 strange women today. Not one of them blew me. But 1 did show…IOI ( I’m catching on..). If I were to explain how I knew, I can promise that it wouldn’t end in ” she blew me “.

    You know all of this man, you’re just ball-busting.

    Most of the FR’s are entertaining.

  48. Maximus, I’ll miss Prince too…

    One of my plates have been wanting to go see Barry Manilow, so I better go ahead and oblige her before that nigga end up dead too. LOL

  49. I love you Rollo cheeky bastard lol

    @Sentient

    Cool story bro!

    “[I was just testing the waters… ironically because over the last 6 months prior my wife was shit testing the fuck out of me as we battled for Sex Rank dominance after a long beta period… I knew that lots of other women were into me, including lots of her friends, who would give IOI’s and tell her flat out I was looking hot etc… but she would still shit test me over sex, turn me down etc.. was confusing, so I had to prove it to myself that it wasn’t “me”].”

    Fuck man, I am really glad I read this. I knew you were older and married but I didn’t know you used to be blue pill married. That shit is really hard to overcome cuz they keep trying to put you back in your old box. MASSIVE PROPS for making it off the plantation.

    “[since I know she is looking for attention I am intentionally aloof and barely turn my head to her, keep my body facing straight]”

    Haha classic.

    This is what aloof means guys. Not taking the bait. Same thing as when a woman gives a compliance test (like even at work – when they interrupt you or ask you do to something) – act like you didn’t hear them and then take your sweet time turning your head or getting up or doing the thing they asked. A beta jumps up and runs across the run. An alpha has more important shit going on and you are a nuisance interrupting his focus.”

    “tell you what…” I address her group now… “if any of you can guess my name I’ll give you a hundred bucks… I’ll even give you the first letter” Catnip.”

    Stealing this lol. My recent go to is taking surveys “ok check this out – how many times do you wear a pair of jeans before you wash them? huh interesting cuz my buddy and I were talking; he says he wears jeans 30 times before washing. This girl I was talking to said…”

    “girls really have no idea what guys do or how money is made lol”

    Bahahaha YUP

    “the 7 has her hand on the 8’s stool and she has a quarter sized birth mark on it. I look at it [because I know it will make her self conscious] and then the 8 makes some snide comment about it [and the 7 is a little flustered at this].. I keep eye contact with the 7 [laser eye game] and take her hand and rub the birthmark with my thumb and say “nah… you know what this is? This is where an angel kissed you” [game concept – kino] and her eyes melt and I can see the emotion in her face and the 8 has a slightly sour look on her face at this… then I raise her hand to my lips and kiss the birthmark and let her hand drop [more kino – sexualizing the situation, jealousy plots]… the 7 scurries around back to her seat at this, maybe a little flustered?”

    Dammmmmmn that was smooth as fuck. This was your first FR?
    Impressive

    “She puts her legs up across my knees and I am slowly stroking her calves and the back of her knee, really slow, unhurried. [game concept – kino, escalation ladder]”

    This is key guys. I will try and write a FR about an incident a few weeks ago. Basically a girl in my extended social circle has had a crush on me for a year as I have been running through girls. She was too fat tho lol. Anyways I saw her a party she lost a bunch of weight so I said you look good keep it up. It was like the whole party and she and I knew that we were going to hook up, it was just a matter of time. Like it was the slowest car crash in history. I wasn’t in any rush and it just seemed so amazing, like we both knew it was the foregone conclusion so why rush it? I could have said at any point in the night, “come with me” and closed her but I choose to have fun with friends, build value and she sat on the sidelines semi-mate guarding me always in proximity waiting for me to give the green light. It feels amazing when you are not rushing something because you arent nervous that the “window might pass.”

    “I will tell you, afterwards the flood of dopamine I had was insane. Luckily I was able to ride it out and not do anything stupid. I did contrive all kinds of plans to call her and go meet up with her again. I can totally see how starved guys just lose it completely. But I threw her card away and eventually all that is left is this memory. It’s still very clear though, and how much everything about game crystallized and worked…”

    Man, its crazy what being thirsty does to guys. Really smart of you to lose her number. Plus it makes the fantasy aspect (you were strangers, no names, she thinks you’re a doctor cuz she wants you to be one) even more powerful.

    Thanks for sharing man.

    @softek

    Thanks man!
    “Makes me want to go out. My first thought is that it would just be fun. Meeting new people and everything.”

    It is bro 🙂 And that is why I will writing them. Not just for the feedback to learn from my mistakes, but because guys like you need to see this is not only possible, its fun!

    “When you mentioned how they were sharing their cigs it reminded me (even though I’ve been quitting on and off) that I make my own. Get whole tobacco leaves, shred them, blend them and case them, and use a tube injector.

    I do have to dial down the autism, lol, but if I don’t get into it more than that, it usually goes over pretty well. A lot of times people won’t want one, but when they do and try it, and really like it, it seems to make a good impression.

    Overall I just really like sharing things I enjoy with people. Been brewing my own booze and people are really interested in that, and that can be a great opener too or something to just get some small talk going.
    I’m also huge into music and know a lot about building and working on instruments, so there’s another thing.”

    Dude we should hang out I love music and cigs lol. Your comments here come across as really genuine. And that comes across as passion when you talk to someone. Wanting to share your passions is beautiful man, never lose that.

    You definitely have the passionate part of the “be dynamic, authentic, and passionate” alpha equation. Passion is infectious. I have had several girls tell me there favorite part of talking to me is when we get to specific topics that I am very passionate about (music as an example) – “remember that for every male endeavor/hobby there is a groupie. Except world of Warcraft” (Hat tip – CH 16 Commandments of Poon lol)

    “Anyway, reading through your FR just got me thinking about all this and just wanting to get out and interact with people. It’s reminding me there’s a lot of fun out there I could be missing out on.

    Major social anxiety to overcome, and yeah, it’d help if I had friends around here who went out (none of my friends do), but it is what it is.
    I met the girl I’ve been seeing at a party anyway, a party where I knew NO ONE and just went to to push myself beyond my comfort zone, so I already know I can do it. “

    The world is passing us by one day at a time. Every day we are alive we are one day closer to being dead. Don’t let that depress you. Make it inspire you. Don’t curse the darkness light a candle. Use the girl you met at that party where you were a stranger as a positive experience reference point. Make list of these things and keep adding to it. Push that comfort zone. You got this softek. You can do this.

    @Newlyaloof

    LMAO you’re so money baby! I iz all grownsed up!

    Hell ya man, massive props to you for going out lone wolf for a whole year you must have ice in your veins!

    P.S.
    Guys, I highly recommend listening to this entire playlist. I did and it was very useful. Patrice ONeal was a prophet of redpill. Just hearing him and his buddies talk will put you into a better frame. You can find the whole eps of the Black Phillip show on youtube but I like this guy’s playlist cuz he breaks them down into short digestible clips on specific game topics:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D1A63CA48790275

    “Time ho”, “Respect the bicep”, “nigga you cant be seasonal” and “get rid of your ego” are some of my favorites. He has women guests too and takes them apart piece by piece, his level of frame control is insane.

  50. WARNING: Men listening to Patrice O’Neal need to really ” listen ” and not just ” hear ” him.

    One thing I have seen here in the comments is men’s resistance to breaking ” social convention “. If you are really hung up on that, then Patrice’s message, the true message will be completely lost on you.

    But you will laugh though…he’s a funny motherfucker.

    I’ve stated before ( and I love repeating myself almost as much as Rollo does ) that I grew up around a dozen Patrices’. The things he’s saying are pretty much common knowledge IME, but the wider world, that shit is indeed the Matrix. All of it. Figure it out, unplug, and live a happy life.

    In reality, as a man, you could actually do any fucking thing you want to do. Instead of bowing, question and overcome using your wits. Men have been convinced to put themselves in boxes. And those boxes get smaller with every passing year. All you have to do is step outside the box instead of trying to learn to be more comfortable inside the box.

    But I know.

    http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/bug_club/images/100_insects/Clip_art/grasshopper.jpg

    I expect it.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWF5uVA_68&w=640&h=360%5D

  51. BTW re that Squatting Casanova clip and the guy who got blown out: I once got blown out of a set and literally turned around (didn’t even have to move my feet) and opened the set next to them which went a lot better, resulting in the (unconnected) couple standing behind me actually giving me high-fives for having the balls to do that…

  52. Dutchman, I don’t mind pessimism porn, what I mind the most about CH is that his readers are largely mentally/emotionally damaged people without an original thought in their heads. It’s all the same tired all tropes about cultural Marxists like Adorno somehow invaded America with his army of silly Jews. It’s a worldview stunted by being unable to put things in a cultural and historical perspective and their way of being is actually detrimental to how they’d like the world to be. The archives from before 2012 at CH are neat though.

    Sentient, I understand what you’re saying, but that’s not the kind of contrast I meant.

    Walawala, she wants affection based on that chat, but you shouldn’t give it to her yet. It’s always funny(and useful) to dangle the carrot in front of the eyes of girls.

    Scribblerg, it’s not just a test of your inner game. Money and career mean nothing to me because I’d rather sit in a park and read a book than sit in a cubicle. I actually look down upon people who define themselves by their careers instead of their interests and who they are as people. But the stress of talking to dozens of hr departments, going to interviews, while devoting time to various other projects taxes my desire to talk to others. I just want to smoke weed and not think about anything. It also upsets me because money is made so easily illegally. And I have no idea if all this applying for jobs even matters because it might not help my career overall. What irks me is that all my friends got either demanding careers, wives/serious gfs or both so I have to go out alone and hitting on girls with someone is far more fun.

    Fleezer, the house wins the rake at poker. Insofar as you beat the people at the table by a higher margin than the rake, you’re in the black.

  53. Scribblerg, not sure why would anyone care for Rawls. His veil of ignorance is largely just a rhetorical trick, not real philosophy, and it begs the question. Anyone can create these rhetorical tricks to get one to back their side. The real answer to the veil of ignorance thing is that since I’m a white male, I don’t see anything wrong with the world my ancestors created being bent in my favor and that if anyone has a problem with it, they’re free to either pack their shit and leave or fight. There’s little sense in taking silly hypotheticals seriously. I’d like to ask Rawls if his kids could be Nazi camp guard, would have he supported the Nuremberg trials? Giving ammo to empty headed ideologues doesn’t make you some great political philosopher.

    The veil of ignorance thing also assumes morality is objective and so many other things that exist just in Rawls’ head, which isn’t surprising given that this rhetorical trick was designed to confirm Rawls’ initial biases. Political philosophy is a joke, much like political science. Politics is power and polsci and polphi are just rationalizations of an already existing power structure.

  54. @quixotic – just catching up on a few days of comments now, see you have some big-ass ones, will get to it tomorrow probably but a quick glance shows you’re having some pretty cool adventures, which is the whole point of the journey…so props on that.

  55. @redlight – yeah, but that’s just her asking what’s going to happen right? Like basically she’s asking “Are you going to try to have sex?” [the previous text exchange between us was a ping text when I was travelling which SHE sexualized]

    At this point I could have chosen to deflect it and not give a straight answer (which is what I did, unsuccessfully) OR I could have said something like “Oi, don’t get your hopes up..I have an early start tomorrow”..in retrospect after writing that FR I maybe should have gone that path, but once I committed to the first path it would have looked too weak to change.

  56. @Blaximus

    Very good point. If one of my blue pill buddies heard Patrice, they would think these clips are hilarious but not understand that to Patrice and men like us, he is dead fucking serious. He is not joking. He and Dante are true gamers.

    It only sounds like a joke because it is so against the Feminine Imperative (and he is naturally funny; when he howls with laughter it makes me bust a gut)

    Its not just sexist jokes. Its a real philosophy.

    Thank you, I’ll check out those vids you posted, I can’t get enough of him

    “I don’t hope to find nothing when I’m looking for a girl; I find [her] and i make [her] what i need” – Patrice ONeal

    Dammmmmmmmn real talk

  57. @Culum

    Great text exchange. But I think it went on too long. She was keen but then there was no leadership. At some point you just have to make it clear what the plan is.

    When you invite her over and she waffles. That’s it. Be ready to walk away until she initiates.

    You can see in that exchange she’s waffling between wanting to meet up and then having “logical” thoughts.

    The only way to circumvent them is to make it clear it’s on.

    20/04/2016 18:43] Her: Ice cream? Why..so cold [AT THIS POINT I AM STARTING TO THINK SHE’S JUST MESSING WITH ME AND HAS NO INTENTION OF COMING OUT BUT ENJOYING THE TEXTING]
    [20/04/2016 18:55] Me: I am going to check out a comedy show

    You’re offering her too many options. Ice cream should have been a drink.

    Also, simply replying “k” and going silent would have had her scrambling.

    I just had a waffle with a girl I’m banging.

    I suggest a meet up. She waffles about being busy or meeting up with me on another day etc.

    “k”. is my response. Or go silent.

    Another one of my plates was waffling. I suggested meeting up a few days ago. She didnt’ take the invitation. Then she starts texting me “When are you free?” etc. I just tell her “Today”. No other outreach.

    The point of this is your texts seem like you’re desperate to meet instead of just making the suggestion and pulling back.

    Always have a back up plan of something—anything and meeting up with the girl is a kind of after thought.

    Start having that mentality and you’ll see a difference in your texts and interactions overall.

    That is the essence of ZFG and abundance mentality.

    Banter is good….if that’s all it is. But if you’re bantering around meeting up—you’re in her frame.

    I banter text all the time..if I don’t have any plans in mind. But if I make a suggestion and she isn’t up for it or offering an alternative. That’s it.

  58. @ quixotic

    The thing about Patrice is that he gives zero fucks and says what he wants to, and if you watch him ( or listen ) you can see him feed off of the reactions to what he’s saying.

    He is reading the hell out of the people in the audience and he finds it hilarious. They don’t know it, but they are entertaining him also.

    Reading people is a lot of fun, and you can figure people out pretty quickly, especially women, by their reactions.

    But…. this means that you have to push them.

    If I want people around me with a certain mindset, a mindset a little bit closer to my own, I can stride into a…set.. and say, ” So I was fucking this horse, right?”. The folks that get disgusted? Great-gtfo. The ones that laugh and listen for the punchline? My kind of folks. The ones that say ” Ohhh yeah, I love banging horses!!! “, they are my kindred spirits.

    If everyone gets offended or makes faces, I didn’t want them anyway. I reject them by having them reject me.

    Patrice is talking about hard won on the ground lessons in life. It doesn’t take long to adapt and pushback to get what you want. It becomes second nature.

    If you listen, you can hear it in his voice.

    If I was in a crowded place ( and Patrice was still alive ) and I heard him from a distance, I’d automatically start to seek him out. Because fun, and I know I could make him laugh too.

    I remember the first time I had sex with a girl that had shaved herself bald. I was amazed ( late 70’s ). I immediately asked practically every girl I ran into whether they shaved or would consider shaving. A good 90% answered me, even with a look of shock on their faces. Sexy hb9? zero fucks ” Hey!! You’re cute and all, but do you have a desert or a tropical jungle down there?” and keep going until either she bolts or answers your questions.

    ” You know, I’m a trained Jungle fighter…”

    Idk man. I’m just trying to encourage guys that are going out to have as much fun as possible, while avoiding County Jail.

    Life: That shit is unpredictably short.

  59. Addendum to above: You have to develop timing. Natural timing. I forgot that part. I got my timing from Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, and Eddie Murphy ( had a bunch of them in my neighborhood too..) and it became my own with a few twists.

    You can make folk laugh without being a clown. My wife was cracking up just 15 minutes ago, and I kinda-almost insulted her. With love, of course.

  60. Yes young dudes here, there was a time when women had ” Bushes “, and it was a normal and natural thing to bring a machete to bed with you.

    Then they started ” trimming ” so that they didn’t look like they had a toupee in their bikini bottoms. Then came Landing Strips and Hearts and mini triangles. Then POOF!!!! Nothing at all.

  61. “I got my timing from Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, and Eddie Murphy . . .”

    I started out . . . as a child.

    And my earliest influences on timing came from Jack Benny, George Burns and Danny Thomas.

    But Redd, Richard and Eddie were from the same mold.

  62. Then POOF!!!! Nothing at all.

    Have to say Blax… not a fan of the naked mole rat look… Groom ladies… learn the meaning of the word…

  63. @Blax. I once shaved a girl I was banging. Sheared her like a sheep.

    It was a huge turn on for her having me managing a sharp razor.

  64. Culum…. ohboy…

    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: Ice cream is on the line

    Play this line back a few dozen times… How does it come off? Masculine?… Confident? Assured? Sexual? Intentional? or not?

    To me… It looked like she gave you a bunch of opportunities to lead this in a sexual direction…

    20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;)

    [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda for tonight?

    [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see
    but seeing is believing.. And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact what are you saying? 😏

    [20/04/2016 19:05] Her: But just like a Genie what is it you want?

    Like what would have been the drawback to being more aggressive here… Like

    What do you want to do?

    You: Pffft… we are way past that. Wear something you won’t mind being ripped off.

    What’s on the agenda for tonight?

    You: Head down… Ass up… Multiple orgasms…
    [next text] You: That’s for me, i mean…

    But just like a Genie what is it that you want?

    You:First things first.. you need to grant three wishes, per the standard terms… First is get over here, then I’ll rub your belly and we’ll see what comes up.

    I submit the scarcity had you playing this safe… and you fucked yourself twice – lost her and lost the chance to go out for something new… You should try an experiment… see how far you can push it, then try recovery game vs tip toeing… these are online girls after all…

    feel better! remember, it only takes one!

  65. Culum

    20/04/2016 18:21] Me: We’ll see
    [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: Can you make it to [NEAR ME/SHE IS 20 MINS AWAY] by 8?
    [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see
    but seeing is believing..
    And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact what are you saying? 😏
    [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: Haha

    So this here.. how might it have played ut if you said “We’ll see how you play your cards“… I’ve had some good results with that, changes things, flips the script, puts her chasing… what might she say to that? How might she view a guy who can say something like that? [ yeah I know “we’ll see” is one of Wala’s go to lines]

  66. Culum

    [20/04/2016 19:12] Her: How are you going to test me on comedy when it seem like you have a problems focusing

    OK… this is her coup de grace … I’d be shocked if she wasn’t up for a fuck…

    Curious to see others reads here…

  67. Quixotic\

    “Fuck man, I am really glad I read this. I knew you were older and married but I didn’t know you used to be blue pill married. ”

    Yeah… with the same woman 27 years now… 25 married… Wasn’t blue pill, just got betaized over time… Once my first kid came, was a frog boil for a while… enhanced by churchian doctrines…

    but that’s a whole other story… At the time I met my wife, I was in a peak Alpha phase, red pill without the language for it, and had my own proto game going strong… totally in my frame.

    same old story… for another time though.

  68. @culum

    ” should I have openly disqualified sex? Like “Oi, don’t get ideas..you’d better keep your hands off me” type thing? I figured it might be falling into her frame when she was so persistent on the subject:”

    Good text game is all about getting her to invest and then ROLLING OFF — just like normal game.

    ” Me: Come over and hang out tonight for a while. Not too late though. I have an early start tomorrow
    [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;)
    [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda for tonight?”

    you gave a little too much of it away. when you drop the hangout at my place bomb, don’t put a flashing light around it — i.e. the rest of what you said after come over and hang out tonight for awhile.

    notice that this little bit of overgaming sets off some ASD: ‘what do you mean…?’

    ‘[20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda for tonight?
    [20/04/2016 18:16] Me: Come for a drink and we’ll take it from there. If you’re a really good girl I may take you for the best ice cream in town 😉’

    overgaming and too much C & F when you need to just build a little bit of comfort.

    lol just take off the second sentence. actually just say ‘oh just chill out and have a drink’ and LEAVE IT.

    ‘] Her: That could be a very expensive ice cream 😁
    [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: We’ll see
    [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: Can you make it to [NEAR ME/SHE IS 20 MINS AWAY] by 8?
    [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see
    but seeing is believing..
    And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact what are you saying? 😏
    [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: Haha
    [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: 8pm at [NEAR ME]
    [20/04/2016 18:33] Me: You can explain what that means in person 😜
    [20/04/2016 18:36] Her: So I should take that as a guarantee, but what are you guaranteeing ?😬
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: 8pm
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: See you then..
    [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: Ice cream is on the line ‘

    because now you get off on these irrelevant bullshit tangents because her ASD is set off and she’s having second thoughts.

    ‘[AT THIS POINT I AM STARTING TO THINK SHE’S JUST MESSING WITH ME AND HAS NO INTENTION OF COMING OUT BUT ENJOYING THE TEXTING]’

    yeah…because she sensed something was/is off.

    cool guys who take bishes back to their place a lot don’t overgame.

    It’s very hard to realize this…but you need to frontload the game and then ROLL OFF and just be chill.

    ‘And then another online girl (early 30s HB6.5) I had a good Day 2 with last month (sexual topics, good compliance, she came in and kissed me..but suddenly said she needed to go home when I was thinking about pulling her) wouldn’t come over either.’

    what do you mean a day 2? what was the day 1? meeting online? not sure if non face time counts but ANYWAY

    she ‘suddenly’ needed to go?

    what if she came in and started kissing you and then you just sat there and overgamed without realizing it and frustrating her? seems possible.

    REMEMBER

    game hard at first but once she hooks onto whatever bullshit you’re doing —- PULL BACK, and then when she’s eager for more, you move her somewhere else.

    it should go:

    you: [game blitz]
    her: [suddenly interested]
    you: [calms down, becomes a little more distant]
    her: [starts to carry convo, wants to learn more about you]
    you: —let’s go here, let’s hang out here, let’s do X
    her: [she agrees]
    you: [reward her with more awesome game shit — escalate]

    so on and so on

  69. Aarrggghhhh….

    I swear to Dog, one day I’m just gonna doxx myself and get it over with. Lol.

    I’m feeling some kind of way over Prince’s death earlier today. Idk, maybe it’s because he was 57. Maybe it’s because I was a Yuuuuggggeeee fan – and I’m not into being a fan-boy at all.

    Reporter: So, how many instruments do you play?

    Prince: *Pondering* … All of Them.

    Okay, share time. Evidently 57 isn’t too young to just die, so I’ll tell you guys the same story I told my daughter this afternoon, to which she gave zero fucks, lol, because Prince was weird and odd and possibly ghey in her eyes.

    My. Life. Is. 6. Degrees. Of. Separation. For. Real.

    Shortly after getting married, my wife invited me to go on a trip with her to Minneapolis. She had a wealthy cousin out there who was an Art Dealer. And this cat was WEALTHY ( for 1883 ). My wife had gone out to Minneapolis often to visit her cousin in the past, and attend parties and rub elbows with famous and semi famous people.

    So I agreed, even though nothing about Minn. screamed ” Visit Me!!!”. Especially in the winter.

    The wife had actually met Prince on several occasions on various trips. Enough that he recognized her on sight.

    So I fly out with her, and we stay at her cousins condo downtown ( practically deserted ). The ” condo ” took up basically an entire floor of what was once some kind of old business building, about 8 stories tall. One side of the condo was an art gallery. So basically, we stayed in an art gallery, which was cool because I painted and drew. Sucked ass at sculpting though.

    Anyway to cut to the chase, Prince was supposed to be coming by to look at some pieces that were purchased specifically for him. I remember one piece was an oil painting of a child sitting in a wheat field with his back turned. The painting was gigantic and the child almost was lost in the landscape, save for the purple coat he was wearing. A purple dot in a sea of pale yellow under a bright blue sky. Kinda neat.

    So wife’s cousin told me I’d be meeting Prince, and asked me not to hassle him. ” Please, just lay back and be cool “. Throughout the day a bunch of clients showed up, but Prince wasn’t one of them. Okay, zfg. The cousin gets a call from a ” handler “. Prince is shooting a movie and the shoot is running way over. Things must be rescheduled. Great, no problem for me because my wife and I are pretty much still newlyweds, and she is driving me crazy all damn day long.

    Cousin gets off the phone and asks if we want to run over to First Ave and check out the scene. It’s like 2 degrees outside so I’m not enthused. Plus it’s like 2 a.m.

    But we go. It’s only a few blocks away. Loonnnggg, cold blocks. There’s a small crowd outside, but no one is getting in.

    So it’s back home and I get knee deep in wifey. Yay!!

    The next morning I’m awakened at 7 a.m. and told that Prince is on his way. I’m tired though. I put in an Olympic performance with wifey. But she was all excited telling me to get dressed and come on.

    7:15 Prince shows up with about 10 people, mostly chicks. I could bareley see him, just the top of his curly head. So I catch myself. I ain’t no chick!! So I was gonna go into the kitchen and eat breakfast, but wifey calls Prince over. He strolls over, heels and all, and hugs her and asks when she got into town. The voice…deep as fuck. She introduced me and I shook his little hand. He apologized, pointed out some art and said ” ship this, and this, and this, cool? Later “. and he strutted out.

    And that was that. It took about an hour for me to register.

    The cousin said that Prince is easy to reach, but hard to talk to. The less you say, the more comfortable he feels.

    Fast forward about a year. Purple rain is released and everyone looses their fucking minds. The head of the mentally disturbed Purplemaniacs was my middle sister. I lost track of how many times she went back and forth to watch the movie over and over. Best big brother trick? Asked wifey to ask cousin if he could swing autograph. He agreed, begrudgingly…not good for business, Got auto’d pic in 4 months exactly. Sister cried all day long.

    And dude just got bigger and bigger.

    That’s the short version. Had to get it out because I was gonna bust. I can’t share stuff like this with coworkers. Shit gets weird.

    My kids don’t care. At all. Current wife doesn’t like to hear of exploits with former wife/ LMAO – DREAD!!!! From 30+ years ago!!!

    So I come here to spill.

    57 years old.

    Didn’t give him much thought after the 90’s. Happy for his success because he was a bonified musical genius that got famous.

    Pro Tip: According to the rumor mill, the cause of death MAY not be related to the flu, as being reported. But it doesn’t matter, dead is dead.

    Okay, I’ll clean up now.

  70. Sentient
    At the time I met my wife, I was in a peak Alpha phase, red pill without the language for it, and had my own proto game going strong… totally in my frame.

    The advantage Sentient has here is that if she’s an Alpha widow, most likely he’s the Alpha in question. That means/meant he only had to meet his own previous standards. And yeah, the whole “baby -> betaized” situation is really common. It is certain that it can be avoided, I reckon Blaximus might just have an informed opinion.

  71. @ AR

    ” And yeah, the whole “baby -> betaized” situation is really common. It is certain that it can be avoided, I reckon Blaximus might just have an informed opinion.”

    You know I do brother.

    I followed that same pattern, save for the church thing. I never thought it was at all common until I started to read here at TRM.

  72. Nony Reader…

    “It is certain that it can be avoided, ”

    yeah it can, if you are aware… My wife could run laps with Fleezer’s unicorn back in the day, hell we could have had a unicorn race. She was a solid 8 and had an N of 1 prior to meeting me… she actually sexually assaulted me on our first date… LOL so much pent up… Back then, since I figured everyone got married, I said well the math works here on this one, lock it in early… and we were perfect together, fire and gasoline…

    All good over all… she is still the same weight, same size as when we met… older yeah, can’t hide that at the edges, but slim, tone, still a size 0… shares jeans with her high school daughters. No complaints there… Great, great Mom and a hard worker (I never did more than maybe two or three loads of laundry in 25 years for example… etc. etc.), SAHM her whole time. … Zero GNO’s or other drama ever…

    But the beta frog boil, well I was not prepared for that… Starts out when she is pregnant with “can you rub my back, it hurts”, then carrying a playpen, etc etc etc… I had enough red pill to flatly reject any kind of kid carrier strapped to me LOL (she thought they looked cool on guys). But month by month, the water temp is heating up…

    One of the things I had to get past, in resetting the relationship 4 years ago, was all the anger at all the many years wasted – by me – in misunderstanding, passive aggressiveness and depression…

    She was and is still there to be led… up to us to do it. Burden of performance right HABD?

    One day I’ll tell it… may help some guys…

  73. @Blaximus: “I’m feeling some kind of way over Prince’s death earlier today.”

    Vox Popoli has gone all purple today. It’s going around.

    “Reporter: So, how many instruments do you play?

    Prince: *Pondering* … All of Them.”

    I’ve got to get an oboe or something. I only play everything but double reeds.

  74. No FRs, but got to talk to a bunch of people. About an hour long convos with three people each. Talked 90’s nickelodeon with one, traveling and china especially with another, and how those goddamn communists are taking over and trumps the only one who can save us with the last one, lol.

    Also now have two job opportunities. Got a call from one potential job. My boss talked with a rep from a different company that was hiring. He said I should call his boss. Rep knows me personally and was psyched when he heard I was interested in the opening.

    “Hank wants that job? Nice, he’s really smart.”

    Apparently, there’s only one other person who’s in the running, and she’s a chick. Since the job involved involves a lot of physical labor, he wasn’t too thrilled about having a girl do it. I lol’d — he’s a pretty young guy, and its rare to see such a dude not be a huge “GIRLS AND BOYS ARE THE SAME!!” fanatic.

    So, tomorrow I’ll make those calls.

  75. @fleezer
    “if you took her into the coat closet and shoved your cock down he throat. . .you would have gamed a married woman.”

    Lol. We’ve been over this. You are a natural with a maddona/whore complex.

    Anon getting IOIs from the married chick is definitely game. You’re like some guy commenting on a race car driver who got in a wreck and crashed his car before he could finish.

    “But did you get first? No? SECOND PLACE IS FIRST LOSER LOL! YOU AREN’T A REAL RACECAR DRIVER FAG! LOLOLOLO.”

    ANYTIME you get ANY interest from a girl (IOI) is game. Its just the BEGINING, granted, but you have to generate that attraction before you can even start to move towards the bang. Starting up a car is a far cry from wininng a race, but you gotta rev up that engine before you can even think of riding it all the way to the finish line, lol. And most guys spend their whole lives only begin able to turn on shitty used up old joloppy cars, let alone a sexy sports car.

    Getting good with girls — to the point you can consistently get the kind of girls you want on your terms — requires you to practice ALL elements of game. That includes the very begining. So no, anon didn’t bang that married chick, but he got another reference experience of how to generate IOIs. That will help him out later down the road.

    While going for the bang is very helpful, especially for new guys, it will fuck you over in the long run if that’s ALL you do. You need to know how to deal with messing up, and being able to fuck up all your sets and still have a good night. Most naturals, like yourself, don’t do this, and that’s why they usually end up in shitty relationships and the perfect unicorn they married (lol) ends up turning into a feral beast.

    “Instead of gathering knowledge, you should clear your mind.”

    Yeah, cuz you are a natural. Not all guys are naturals, and they have to have things spelled out for them. A sperg “just, you know, clear your mind brah.” is going to be his usual sperg self and fuck up everything. And a natural who looses his edge (from getting older, getting out of shape, or loosing whatever BS external factor he feels is what makes him good with women) has to go back and relearn the process of getting girls.

    I just lol at not learning stuff.

    Yeah, fuck medicine. Just like, use your chi man. Who needs vaccines brah. Just use your mind juju and your cancer will be cured.

    lololololol

    @sentient @walawala
    “They are on the surface quite cool but in private quite open-minded.”

    ALOT of foreign girls are like that. They tend to be either super prudish in public but freaks in private or freaks in public but prudish in private. In my experience, much more the former.

    These girls come from places that are much more conservative than our own, but ofc they want to get fucked just the same as any other girl. So outwardly they won’t be as open, their IOIs tend to me more muted, but they will respond HARDCORE to pure mascuine energy.

    Asians especially tend to be hit on by asian dudes who are very submissive or nerdy white dudes that think they can score with an asian girl. So if you can lead, laser, escalate kino, the whole works, you are almost certainly one of the first (or one of the very few) to do that to her.

    Girls are always turned on by boldness. I think foreign girls even more so. You just have to watch that ASD and make sure no one else knows what you are doing. Her friends (ESPECIALLY if they are from her country) will FUCK EVERYTHING UP, and will make her feel self conscious and will trigger her ASD. But as long as you get her away from her friends and run a bit of comfort you should be good.

    I can’t emphasise enough though that the friends of foreign girls are a nightmare and will always fuck everything up.

  76. @Culum

    Thanks man. Onto your FR:

    “Anyway..one terrible street approach at traffic lights yesterday – I made some comment about how the lights hadn’t changed and the girl vaguely nodded at me and then literally stepped several paces away. But then I replayed it in my head and it was *terrible* – voice was more of a croak, there was no EC and it was sort of half-hearted over my shoulder..no wonder it got such a bad reaction.

    Went it to McDonalds just after that because I hadn’t eaten most of the day and needed to get something down and as soon as I walked in, I got rock solid EC and got checked out by jailbait brunette HB7 – couldn’t have been more than 16 max (maybe less), sitting there with her fat friend and some guy twice my size (looked like a football player and had his back to me). I’m not stupid enough to go down that path, but I mention it only because I now have the awareness to notice it, and to emphasise that it still happened even though I’m (a) more than twice her age at 36 (with as much gray hair as any 50 year old)..and (b) I was exhausted and looked like shit and dressed in rumpled clothes and unshaven”

    The first thing that sticks out about your FR is you are still being very hard on yourself.

    “… terrible street approach… voice was more of a croak, there was no EC and it was sort of half-hearted over my shoulder… more than twice her age at 36 (with as much gray hair as any 50 year old)… exhausted and looked like shit and dressed in rumpled clothes and unshaven”

    Most of this stuff is in CH’s 16 commandments of poon. Be bold.

    Stop sabotaging yourself. You are fine to recognize your mistake of no hard eye contact and not having a strong vocal tonality with girl at traffic light, but it wasn’t “terrible” it was just a mistake. One you wont make next time. My hair is greying like a mother fucker. Guess what girls call me? Silver fox.

    If you’ve read my FRs you know that I used to try to look cool, now I go out all the time in rumpled clothes and unshaven. Own it man, don’t apologize to the world for how you look. Own it. Be proud of it. If someone says I have a wrinkled shirt I say “good to know.” Or “I’ll tell him when I see him.” Or “oops I meant to wear the one with the shit stain.” Or “Thanks mom!” Or just stare at them like they’re an asshole and say nothing. Zero Fucks Given attitude. Have you seen Fast times at richmont high? Damone has all the red pill rules youll ever need, no joke:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-CriM6vx0

    A more academic version of the same fucking idea:

    http://metastatic.org/text/This%20is%20Water.pdf

    Whatever you are doing is cool because YOU are doing it, that’s the frame. If im in line at the grocery store, I can choose to be annoyed and stand there with a bad attitude/ stare at my phone; that is our default programming. OR I can choose to use that time to entertain myself, engage a stranger, make a to do list of shit I need to accomplish, talk to a pretty girl or an old man, etc. Is about creating and spreading value. Not being a negative black hole that destroys value.

    You are good at playful, just remember to balance flirty playful with serious. And sometimes “serious” means not responding at all. Like a busy guy with a bunch of plates would read most of these texts, roll his eyes smile and not reply. A trick I use is to intentionally let them send 3-4 texts before I reply. If she changed topics in those 3-4 texts, I only respond to 1 of those topics, the one most relevant/important to me. Ex: she texts about a band she likes, something that happened in her day and going clothes shopping, I only reply on the clothes shopping one cuz I want her to be buying sexy underwear for me. Etc

    “What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;)”

    Ya I agree with sentient and walawala. You were following her frame, she took control of your frame. You could have fucked her in my opinion based on the 😉 lol

    I would have replied “do my taxes” or something non sexual and blatantly sarcastic and then somehow sexualized it “ya ill fill that form, fill it balls deep…” or I would have sent a dirty porn gif lol. No joke. If she doesn’t like it tease her for being a crybaby. Usually all you have to do is change the subject. I agree with sentient try going over the line and see if you can recover. It’s worth the loss to train up this skill.

    Its makes you better at parrying and also you can tell if she really likes you by how/if she lets you recover from making a mistake.

    You texted too much too often should have gone quiet instead of sending the text about comedy. Honest mistake. That’s where she lost respect and flipped the script on you with

    “[20/04/2016 19:00] Me: Ice cream at home..? You might be a crazy stalker type..how do I know you’re safe to let into my home?
    [20/04/2016 19:04] Her: You say :Am I safe to let me into your home
    But I didn’t ask
    You requested me”

    Shes right and she knows it lol

    “[20/04/2016 19:05] Her: But just like a Genie what is it you want?”

    Even here you could have turned it around. I would have said “to have you go back in the bottle” or “a threesome with you and your sister/two hot famous chicks”/something that makes her jealous

    [20/04/2016 19:08] Me: Let’s continue in person. I want to test you on comedy”

    I would have gone silent instead of saying anything

    @all
    One more note on FR I posted on this thread on having expectations/boundaries and not letting girls walk all over you:

    Its not just about having expectations from a book or what you *think* are your expectations. Yes its good to make a list and know the consequences you think you would enforce. But that is in your head stuff.

    Expectations come from experience. For example, your whole life you went to restaurants and the waiters treated you pretty much the same. Then one day you go to a restaurant where the waiter is openly dickish and gives you attitude and mocks your order then brings you the wrong food and then doesn’t apologize but blames you. Your expectations would be violated and you would speak up! You would ask to speak to the manager or give the waiter a piece of your mind. Because you are accustomed to waiters behaving a certain way. You expect a certain pattern to the interaction and when it is incorrect your brain goes nuh uh I don’t think so its supposed to be this way not that way.

    Part of the reason why I dont take crap from chicks anymore is because I am not *used* to chicks treating me like crap anymore. It feels odd and not normal because girls usually treat me like a ‘ladies man.’ Like they can tell from the moment we meet, from my first smart assed remark or smirk that I am going to be playful, sarcastic, speak in riddles/evade their questions, basically treat them like girls.

    My plates admire me and treat me like a king. So when I walk around and interact with other girls or meet other girls I expect exactly the same treatment and treat all women like they were my plates. I treat the girls at work (to the level allowed by HR lol) the same way I treat the girls at the grocery store, the same way I treat little old ladies at the bank and my 7 year old niece or the girls I date: like GIRLS. It’s the amused mastery vibe. Also smirking. The smirk represents foreknowledge and experience. You naturally smirk when you know what’s going to happen next (like when you’re watching a shitty movie and you *know* exactly whats about to happen next. You unconsciously smirk!) . It shows you’ve been there before; you are used to handling girls and their bullshit. You know all their tricks. You ignore them when they are being annoying or seeking attention for no reason. Reassure them when they really need reassurance. Teach them to respect you (any time a women asks me to do anything, whether 5 years old or 45, I say “I didn’t hear the magic word” if they don’t preface their request with a please. Or I just stare until they realize and say please). Be Serious when it’s time to be Serious but fall right back into playful when the moment calls for playfulness. Its really just child-like honesty. Let your id do your talking. They relate to that because only people who can get away with it can do this, it signals high value.

    It becomes second nature and all of a sudden you get a reputation as a ladies man or a stud. When girls hear about your reputation they feed into it. They expect you to be a ladies man so they treat you like a ladies man. They are disappointed if you aren’t an actual ladies man frankly lol. Girls really hate it when a guy who looks like he has the goods turns out to be a pussy. It confuses their hamster and represents a waste of good genetic stock.

    That was one of my sticking points. …Plus I didn’t have the confidence to approach the hottest girls in the club, internally I still didn’t feel I deserved the hottest girls BECAUSE I NEEDED TO _________(insert here – do 5 more sets of curls, make 10,000 more dollars, get a nicer car, or any other socially conditioned prerequisite for getting a hot girl). Plus I was running james bond game womp womp.

    Once I got in shape my externals signaled alpha ladies man but my internals were still weak so hotter girls would doubt and shit test. This was cuz I had focused the ornamental alpha shit like being jacked, dressing well, good haircut, new clothes, etc. which can be faked (meaning you don’t actually have to be alpha to have these things).

    Approaching dimes cannot be faked. Internals cannot be faked when your ego is being body slammed. Internals cannot be faked when a hot girl rejects you with a middle finger and her friends are laughing. Or when they all turn their back on you in unison. Or when they drop nuclear shit tests. You either wince or smirk. You either parry or you get knocked out. You either follow her frame or you refuse and blow up the frame. And you have a tenth of second to do it. So get some practice under your belt 😉

    This is not to say I see no value in men looking good, being strong/muscular and healthy. When you respect yourself you respect your body and take care of it. And being the whole package pretty much makes you unstoppable.

    But you don’t need to be a man bun faggot or wear emo mascara to get girls either. its the same thing as being a white knight, it’s playing by their rules. And all girls secretly loathe you for letting them be the leader. If having a man bun or wearing certain fashions is truly important to you, by all means do it. Own it proudly and I do not mean to insult you 🙂 But if you are only doing that because “girls in 2016 like man buns”, you are following their frame.

    And most importantly a lot of guys with socially conditioned limiting beliefs will focus on the externals they will never be able to achieve and throw in the towel. They’ll never even get to internals, just stall out at the externals level. This is where “I’m short I’ll never be 6’4 ’ or ‘I’ll never look like Ahh-nuld so why go to the gym’ guys get their excuse to throw in the towel. That is where I used to get mine lol. Remember women are most attracted to the underlying animalistic hindbrain qualities of men that signal genetic fitness: dominance, strength, courage and mastery.

    This is why chicks dig rich guys, cops, firemen, athletes, and rock stars and why lots of guys go seek out these professions:

    Banker, politician = dominance, mastery
    Rockstar, musician, artist, writer, actor, comedian = mastery, courage
    Firefighter, cop, MMA fighter = Dominance, Courage, Strength
    Athletes = Courage, Strength, mastery

    (For more on the importance of these elements, read The Way of Men by Jack Donavan. If you’ve read the book you’ll note I left out Honor. That’s because only men value honor. Women don’t give a shit about honor lol)

  77. @Rollo @Blaximus @all
    If you wanna see some cool shit look up Keanu’s life and what people who’ve worked with him say about him. Dude has gone through a nightmare of a life that would crush most dudes but he’s still humble and down to earth and selflessly gives value to the people around him. Had no idea about any of that.

    Solid FRs from everyone, good to see them (and note how your FRs inspire other guys to go out, that’s important).

    @quixotic
    Probably Molly’ed up but either way you handled that solid. The moment where you first turn down pussy out of self-respect is an important moment. It’s hard to do when you originally came from a scarcity of sex. So props for that. Basically she did what you said (and was running on emotions in the moment and that guy happened to be there) but then she figured you’d be as thirsty as every other guy and still come over.

    Thing is a lot of guys will say “well don’t take her out to a club wtf are you doing” and ya, it’s not the wisest play if you’re just trying to get laid lol but I’ll usually bring a girl I’m vetting for long-term shit to a club or crash one of her girl’s nights etc because I want to see how she acts when she’s out. I’ll lecture fuckbuddies who show up drunk/high and warn them not to do it again because I’m making time for them and if they don’t appreciate it that’s fine other girls WILL.

    Chick will probably txt you and either apologize because you didn’t come over and she realizes “oh shit maybe he’s mad” or play dumb and be like “what why are you mad omg you’re being silly we were both just drunk you’re blowing it out of proportion” but it sounds like you know how to handle it. This is classic Soft Next punishment territory. She’s not a bad person really, she’s just young and that’s the mentality of girls with an over-abundance of cock available now…some of them won’t even CARE that you Soft Next them, because they’ve already got more guys lined up to take over. Welcome to 2016 lol That’s why we focus on making hard emotional impact that turns those other guys into the blue blur on the Predator view.

    Little HB6 that got butthurt was just a case of you raising your value too high to where she felt disqualified and has to ego-protect by rejecting you. No biggie, you could smooth it over by lowering your value to her and bumping hers up (“sorry I’m kind of a jerk, but I really had fun talking with you earlier, you have this cute thing about you bla bla”).

    Also more importantly props on going out solo and making it a fun night. At multiple points you could have taken the easy anti-social stay in your comfort zone route and had a completely different lame depressing frustrating night. Instead you had a blast and gave value to everyone around you and helped THEM have a blast. That cane guy was like fuck I hope I don’t go just sit in a corner like a chode all night 🙁 and then you brought him into your one man party lol

    “My friend said it best: “Damn…it was weird because they were so beautiful but they acted so ugly.”

    Might steal that lol

    @Culum
    Hang in there, just accept that the first few nights out will be rough and set your expectations low. Just tell yourself you’re gonna go out and get into one or two conversations and that’s a win. Usually the night will just snowball from there naturally, but if you set the goal of taking over the venue that’s a lofty goal and you feel like you’re failing if you don’t do it immediately. You are taking more action than most guys hating on what you’re doing will EVER take lol

    Chick who stood you up gets a minor Soft Next, even if it was serious she could’ve shot a quick txt your way. Let her back in but make her do something to apologize (aka jump through a hoop like she’s buying the drinks/dinner).

    Never go to where a girl wants you to go unless you’ve fucked her and even then be prepared for it to be gay. Pre-fuck, meet up on your terms in your area with your logistics. Time and time again guys (including myself) go chase because we’re horny and time and time again we get there and she’s got 5 orbiters competing over her or shitty logistics or some bitchy friend with her to deal with etc etc etc It’s also a ping for how much you need her, how much you’ll sacrifice to get a CHANCE at her pussy. Very rarely will it actually lead to sex compared to meeting up with your logistics. Thing is in 2016 she has 10 guys on Tinder that are begging to come over and drive over and pick her up and take her places etc, which again is why we focus on hitting them with enough emotional impact that they’ll make the effort to come meet up. I was running into this a while back because I don’t have a car so it’s too much effort for me to travel for pussy, and I had to step up the impact and hook them harder into a them chasing me frame deeper so that they would come to my area and pay for parking etc lol Analogy of you have 10 playboy models in your apartment sucking your dick and you met this cool one you like last weekend but she wants you to come across town to meet her, even if you LIKE her it’s like ehhhh you come here, no? ok maybe next time bye lol

    Text exchange chick is radiating early 30s in her texts. She’s wanting to believe that she’s not just a booty call ’cause guys are starting to pump n dump her and she’s getting more prickly about making sure you invest to get the pussy. You’ll run into this a lot if you dabble with the >27yo crowd because they’re starting to realize that the alpha guys they want view their only worth as pussy and it’s a big identity crisis for them. That’s why she says “What do you want to do? What is in the agenda?” and talking about guaranteeing etc she’s expecting you to wine and dine her on a date so she knows she has value outside of sex and doesn’t feel like a booty call. I had a chick throw a fit that I invited her over at 2am instead of midnight because past midnight going to a boys house was slutty…silly shit but she was late 20s and trying to make herself feel like she still has worth. That’s also why your chick says “That could be a very expensive ice cream” She’s saying like, don’t treat me to some $2 ice cream stand shit like I’m a 21yo, I’m a lady who expects some fine dining gourmet restaurant ice cream. And her “But I didn’t ask, you requested me” etc is her forcing the frame of you chasing her on you.

    But then Sentient brings up the point that I knew someone would bring up: “To me… It looked like she gave you a bunch of opportunities to lead this in a sexual direction…Like what would have been the drawback to being more aggressive here…” which is a valid point buuuuuuuuuut she’s 30 and average looks-wise to begin with.

    See you COULD have just said “I’m going to press you up against the wall and run my hands bla bla” and gone hardcore direct sexual, which is what she kept trying to get you to do, but there’s a pretty good chance that she’s doing that because she wants to then throw down the frame of “I’m not just a booty call you know” and start leading you into the date frame, where you feel like you’ve made a faux pas by going too direct and feel apologetic and offer up some fine dining and sexless date shit. Like it’s a pretty standard play for chicks that age. It lets her know how bad you want her and lets her dangle the carrot. Because if you then just go “eh no thanks” or stop txting, she can go “I knew it, he just wanted sex, I’m done with him” and go pet her cat as she grows old and becomes a lonely cat lady.

    Like that “test” is designed for them to paint you in the worst light so she can be validated (I turned this amazing guy down) and not risk rejection or pump n dump. Great for keeping her self-worth intact, terrible for actually finding a man lol There’s a MASSIVE push in this age range to make the guy invest before they put out and personally I don’t find many of them to be worth it so I try to stick to the <25yo crowd. Late 20s+ chicks have a VERY delusional sense of self worth and what they're offering that men value. A lot of them will do the "can I come over but we don't have sex tonight?" test where if you say no they can rule you out as a jerk and if you say yes you're a chode lol It's like as Patrice says: you just took away like 70% of the reason I even wanted you to come over in the first place. lol But they want you to want them for them because feminism and Disney told them you would.

    If she was like 21 it might be different but in her age range it's most likely a frame trap.

    Anyway I would have ended that txt convo at "Ice cream? Why…so cold", just not responded to that and froze her out till she txts me (even if that's weeks from now). You made your offer and she gave you hassle, so fuck it, you invite someone else and get occupied with her instead and then make her work for another invite (I like to do stuff like "I dunno you didn't seem real excited to meet up last time, maybe we should just be friends" and mess with them lol).

    @Sentient
    All solid shit in your LR. Birthmark kiss was a great example of raising her value so she feels like she deserves you despite being there with a hotter friend who would normally get the attention. You put her on cloud 9. And again notice how lasers sexualizes anything, you can talk about stupid TV shows and shit but as long as you do that bedroom eyes lasers and slow tonality etc you talk to her sub-brain and it's "sexy". Also all good reads on her trying to turn you into her fantasy. And good on you tossing her number…1) it's a nice memory for both of you, and 2) it shows abundance. Also this situation can be pretty common:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wje5oR4NqYI

    @Blaximus
    "He is reading the hell out of the people in the audience and he finds it hilarious. They don’t know it, but they are entertaining him also."

    This is a good frame for enjoying yourself while sarging in general.

    "If everyone gets offended or makes faces, I didn’t want them anyway. I reject them by having them reject me."

    Ya we call this being polarizing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U8yhu3f548

    Basically expressing yourself completely and seeing which people you're going to enjoy spending time with. It's why I hate sarging shy quiet girls, they're super boring to me and I don't enjoy the interaction VS the feisty shit-testy outgoing girls. But it's unique to each person…my buddy LOVES the shy quiet girls, he likes building a deep connection and shit, and he hates the feisty girls. So when we walk into a set where one girl is feisty and the other is shy (very common, usually the shy one is dragged out to the bar by her feisty friend) we immediately switch girls so that he has the shy one and I have the feisty one and everyone enjoys the interactino more lol

    That said, you should be ABLE to be flexible and get along with most people and get them to open up and loosen up and shit. But when you're picking people you want to spend time around, screening with polarity is a big help.

    "I remember the first time I had sex with a girl that had shaved herself bald."

    I thought you meant shaving her head bald and the rest of that story was fucking surreal lol

    Unfortunately the bushes are coming back. Even in porn you'll see a lot more bush. Not sure how the fuck THAT happened, probably so many thirsty guys now that'll take a girl regardless of what's growing down there that they don't care about shaving as much anymore. I've had a couple say flat out "well OTHER guys don't mind" and it's like ok well go fuck THEM then lol You come over here you shave that shit.

    Bare is the best. When they say "you just want me to look like a 12 year old" I just agree & amplify lol

    @scray
    "game hard at first but once she hooks onto whatever bullshit you’re doing —- PULL BACK, and then when she’s eager for more, you move her somewhere else."

    This. This is what Mystery was teaching really…demonstrate value indirectly, hook them hard till they chase and then lay back and let them win you over as you steal their frame playing hard to get. The prob is a lot of guys these days have trouble hooking to get the girl to chase because 1) all that "go immediately direct" stuff generally has the guy chasing the girl instead of vice-versa and 2) girls have SO MANY OPTIONS that are all trying to go direct AND slip under the radar that the best way to set yourself apart is to get THEM choosing YOU. And so we go back to the old teachings which were designed FOR that lol

    There was a period for sure, before smartphones and social media and Tinder and shit really kicked into the full crazy gear it's in now, where plowing direct was great especially over text, I was cleaning up with that shit. But as the marketplace changes and they have way more options chasing them you have to look at "ok well how can I stand out?" and one really good way to do that is to learn how to get them to chase you and invest in you, which is what oldschool game was designed for. That's why girls will fuck me and want to date me even when they have way better looking richer etc guys chasing them begging for a handout, because I game them so that they're chasing ME instead of me chasing them. There's a small but important difference in those frames. Harold & Kumar chose White Castle and went through hell to get it just for the satisfaction of getting what they chose/desire lol

  78. @Blax

    Thanks for sharing that Prince story. I’m also legit shook about his passing. Dude always looked the same lol…was like he would live forever.

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