Cheaters

Cheating Husband 9

I was picking through The Private Man’s blog a few months back and I came across this gem from about 3 years ago. It’s a pretty quick read if you want to click over and come back. PM recounts an all too common scenario from a Red Pill perspective – casually explaining what the Red Pill is to a guy who’s been immersed in a Blue Pill conditioning and experience for most of his life.

“What’s your blog about?”

“I help men be more attractive to women so they can reach their relationship goals.” It’s my standard go-to response when questioned about my blog.

“I don’t understand.”

“Men can learn how to be more attractive to women and I help them with that.”

James looked shocked and then quickly got angry.

“That’s cheating!” He was emphatic. He was pissed off. He was not attacking me, just my message. Again, the guy code applied.

This reaction did not surprise me. James is of the “be yourself and the right woman will magically appear” school of thought. I know where this comes from. For years I held the same point of view. I didn’t back down.

“A man can learn new things to make himself more attractive to women so he can meet his relationship goals.”

James was stubborn.

“I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

That’s a noble sentiment based on an idealized view of attraction, dating, and relationships. It’s the standard response borne of shitty social expectations. But as I deal in the sometimes difficult realities of the situation, I had to be honest with James.

In this instance, James’ anger was the reflexive response I expect from ‘plugged in’ men when they first come into contact with a Red Pill aware man. It’s interesting when you consider this interaction with a Red Pill Lens. You begin to see just how saturated Blue Pill conditioning is for the average guy in real time. It’s one thing to see its influence in popular media, read a blog or book, see a movie or hear a song on the radio, but it’s quite another to experience it first hand with a guy maybe you know, or maybe you don’t.

Private Man doesn’t elaborate on it in his post, but this exchange is illustrative of how a Blue Pill mindset conditions an almost hostile defensiveness in men. Before I started the blog, and before I had a book out, I encountered this fairly often when I thought a certain man might benefit from my own awareness. It took some time for me to see the wisdom in the fourth law of power – always say less than is necessary.

Blue Pill men’s investment in the “truth” that their conditioning leads them to necessitates a constant confirmation of it from others, from his surroundings and from popular culture blanketing his awareness of it. When a Red Pill aware man verbalizes his truths, his observations, and his perspectives it’s often an affront to that Blue Pill guy’s ego-investments. And these are investments that he’s likely unaware he even holds, and he presumes everyone else holds too.

Think as you like…

There’s a comfort in presuming others believe as we do. It’s an interesting contrast when you think about it in terms of your political or religious views and then apply it to how we differ in respect to our respective Game with women. Most guys understand that other people have differing political leanings and religious dispositions, and it makes sense that they won’t see eye to eye with them. And from a cultural perspective – at least from a progressively western one – we are more or less socially expected to respect those differences in the name of mutual cooperation and mutually beneficial tolerance.

How that actually flies in the real world is a topic I’ll let other blogs explore, but when we consider how the Blue Pill and the Feminine Imperative conditions men across various cultural, political and religious spectrums we see a decided intolerance for even a casual, passing disagreement about how men ought to regard, respect and interact with women.

I won’t rehash the influence feminist ideology and the Feminine Imperative play in that conditions ( I have plenty of essays addressing that), but what I want to draw attention to here is the reflexive response James had with Private Man, and how it finds its root in a subconscious conditioning that was only mildly challenged by PM.

James first presumption was that what PM was teaching men was in some way ‘cheating’. What PM was advising was against a predefined rule set that every man ought to be abiding by. This was a Blue Pill reaction to even the premise of a Red Pill truth – that men can and should learn to interact with women in order to come to a more satisfying relationship with them; one defined by that man’s desires.

This actually offends two rules presuppositions: the first, that men would ever presume to ‘know’ women well enough to outdo other men (women as universal choosers) and second to put his imperatives above a woman’s.

When I interviewed with Alan Roger Currie recently I was asked to give my take on what exactly constituted Red Pill / Blue Pill status, and what my definitions were for the abstract terms of Alpha and Beta. It’s exceedingly difficult to apply concrete definitions in a quick hit info-bite, but with respect to the Blue Pill, Blue Pill conditioning is foundationally about a presumption that all men ought to mutually follow and be accountable to an expected rule set; a rule set that now openly serves feminine-primacy.

I developed this idea in The Second Set of Books post, but with regard to men’s dealing with other men and the implied social contract, there is a definite conflict between men invested in the old set of rules and Red Pill aware men who acknowledge, use and endorse a new set of rules. Thus, using Game or making personal choices based on Red Pill aware wisdom seems like the man applying them is in fact “cheating”.

He’s cheating on the first set of rules that the ‘plugged in’ man expects him to adhere to, and adhere to even when those rules make little realistic sense or have scant appreciable reward for. In other words, a martyr for the concept of honor.

Blue Pill ideology is something learned and internalized over the course of a man’s boyhood into his adult life. When you consider a guy’s upbringing and the extent that the Feminine Imperative conditions and reinforces his investments socially, culturally, religiously, etc., it’s easy to see how ‘natural’ and unlearned it seems to the guy who’s centered his identity on it.

To the greater whole of Blue Pill conditioned men the Red Pill is foreign and an affront to that conditioning. In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:

Every random chump within earshot of your conversation about Game, about your ‘changed’ way of seeing inter-gender relations, about your most objective critical observations of how women ‘are’, etc. – understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism. Even under the conditions of relative anonymity (like the internet), he’ll still cling to that want of proving his uniqueness just on the off chance that a woman might read his rebuff and be fatefully attracted to him.

This is the bread and butter of the White Knight beta. It’s best to assume that most guys who pick up on just your Game vibe, to say nothing of overtly talking about it, are going to side with the feminine imperative by default. For practitioners of Beta Game (which is to say the better part of 90% of guys) this is an organic opportunity to identify with women and engage in the same shaming conventions women use without the fear of having it seem contrived.

…but do as others do

That said, this dynamic is not always so dramatic. There was a time when I lived in Florida before I had started the blog, but well after my time at SoSuave, where I had a get together with some friends at my place for some beer and bullshit time. We’d gotten to talking about ‘how our wives were’ and as you might expect there was all of the “she’s the boss” preprogrammed rhetoric being laughed about until I mentioned that my wife was definitely not the boss.

At that point, beer or no beer, it became apparent that the proverbial crab was about to crawl out of the barrel, so then comes the predictable ridicule about how I’m fulla’ shit, I must domineer her, or how I’m being cocky but my wife really owns me like them – because wives have the pussy so wives make the rules. Real, masterful, masculinity was a joke to these men because they were invested in the idea that they were fortunate to have any woman fuck them, and the one who did was not to be disrespected even in her absence. They wanted confirmation of their investment in the ideology that brought them to their indentured existences.

To the Blue Pill conditioned, wives run the show; to think otherwise is a delusion of masculine power for the Blue Pill man, and all men should acknowledge this.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, Hypergamy needs security. Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks seeks to set up social conditions and to socially engineer men who will at least attempt to provide women with some semblance of Hypergamous assurance. It may not seem it, but the social convention that men ought to Just Be Themselves is an effort to confirm this Hypergamous certainty about a man. Men are honor bound (through notions of whatever chivalry might mean) to be who they are, do what they say and say what they mean – and any man who changes that for whatever reason must necessarily be “cheating”.

This trope has the latent purpose of aiding in women’s Hypergamous filtering process. The old set of books, the rules a Blue Pill man expects all other men to play by, find its roots in a man’s worth being the truthful representation of what he really is. This is not so for women. Women’s self-representation is founded in socially acceptable misdirections that serve her Hypergamous interests (makeup to appear young, hair, nails, cosmetic surgery, etc.)

Popular culture ridicules men who falsely “wear masks of masculinity” in a social order that deliberately obfuscates his understanding of what it means, and all while reinforcing female deception of who men really are.

When men aren’t “just being themselves” it’s ‘cheating’. What it’s cheating is Hypergamy. It is cheating the ignorant Blue Pill ego-invested men whose identities are dependent upon men abiding by a rule set that no longer serves their best interests.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“I heard a great saying a long time ago that seems appropriate. If you don’t get humble, you get humiliated in this world. As an important aside, I’m also stressed as shit about money and my business, and a lot of things haven’t been cutting my way. Business is like that sometimes, it’s like poker. Sometimes you just keep drawing the wrong card. But what’s also true is that I’m not giving it my all and couldn’t seem to fully motivate.” @Scribbler, dude you are way to intelligent to let that shit hold you down for long. It does suck… Read more »

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The man that taught me to build automatics had this strange thing about women.He was every bit 5’4″ in his cowboy boots drank house and water and kept the straws stuck together till they were about 5″ long. He used to say things like you got pretty pockets.Every month he would fall in love go to Lordsburg NM and get married,then come to work and brag about the sex.Right before it was to late he would get it annulled and go back out and do it again.One of these broads i swear was three times his size and he would… Read more »

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Humility isn’t thinking less of yourself.Humility is thinking of yourself less often.Humility is nothing more than a redundant spelling of reality.

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@ stuff Okay, one more about this guy and I’m done ( it’s slow tonight and I got hundreds of stories and no one to tell them to. Sorry guys..lol). I have a friend who’s hubby was a real biker. At the time, she was 54 years old, but fellas, she looked all of 35. Interesting genes, to say the least. She was kinda stuck in 1987, but she pulled off the spikey platinum blonde thing okay. She always dressed very well, sexy even. She even pulled off the thigh high boot look very well. The implants didn’t hurt either.… Read more »

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LOL Titty Crocker chopper cause she gets rode by bikers.
Best pickup line I ever heard “Loan me ten bucks and I’ll buy you a beer while you drink it we can discuss repayment.”

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One thing you can bet on is if you take the perfect woman “no games or manipulation” and put her with a betta chump in no time at all you will have a abusive manipulative bitch,these guys could fuck up a wet dream and wake up proud.

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I just looked through some of my filtered message requests on FB. Never saw these. One from last year. The guy threatening to have me arrested or something and that I’m going to be in “big trouble” because of “sexual harassment” of his wife (who lives miles away across borders and I’ve never met in person in my life), who messaged me first telling me she wanted to suck my dick, and me just playing along with it and doing some sexting. Lol. Someone call the Internet police. Long string of messages I didn’t see calling me a “non pussy… Read more »

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@ YaReally Good shit. And dead on about scrib and guys like me. I’m in my mid 20’s with a nice full head of hair, good looking guy, cool hobbies, cool talents and skills, have a car, have proven that I’m good in bed, etc. But I’m beating the shit out of myself just the same. Truth is it doesn’t matter. Might as well waste time thinking, “Well, if I was a famous rock star and was on the cover of Rolling Stone I’d have an easy time getting women. But I’m not, so fuck. I can’t do this.” A… Read more »

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To add to my previous comment, Knowing I’ll get feedback about my sarges, etc helps push me forward. It’s fun and interesting reading the breakdowns. Total dopamine rush to have what you’re doing picked apart like that, like you’re learning way faster than you could alone by trial and error. There’s a righteous momentum to this all. Thats’ community. Lurkers – grab your balls, go out, write FR’s! Y’all can do it, it helps everyone. Stuck in w a flu atm – my health has been for the birds the last 2-3 weeks for some reason. But I’m hoping my… Read more »

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@ YaReally A Zen story just popped into my head big time thinking about all this, and how Tyler jokes that everyone’s going to watch his stuff, then go out and shave a bald spot into their head and grow a beard because Tyler does it and that must be how he gets women, because they say how they like his beard and think his bald spot is cute or some shit, lol. (I have a beer belly and the girl I’ve been seeing goes on and on about how cute it is and how she loves all my oddities… Read more »

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Fleezer “on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen.” Yeah, yeah, what’s the matter? Looks like a personal problem of some sort. C’mon, you know better than this. Read on. FR – accidental FR. The other week I was at a kind of ‘mandatory fun’ event, part social, part business. Zero alcohol anywhere. There was a mid-20’s married woman I know there, she’s a musician and fun to talk with. One of her children was crawling around across the… Read more »

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And you get immediate denial of woman being bad or, immediate statement of there being a comparison to men being just as bad. This knee-jerk defense of woman kind is the essence of betaness and a yuuuge tell’

Very good insight. I’ve seen this more times than I care to think of. Men who should know better, from their jobs / professions, jump right to “Men Do That Too” or some other nonsense. It’s indeed a yuuuge tell and time to recalibrate immediately.

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stuffinbox Every month he would fall in love go to Lordsburg NM and get married,then come to work and brag about the sex.Right before it was to late he would get it annulled and go back out and do it again Wait, what? I’ve driven through Lordsburg, NM on I-10. There’s 2 or 3 offramps but they only really need one, there’s a bored county mounty running radar probably all day and all night right where the speed limit drops, some kind of ghost town tourist trap out in the desert, and a truck stop. This guy got married there… Read more »

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@Sentient I’ve thought about your story and been in that situation with other Chinese girls. They are on the surface quite cool but in private quite open-minded. If you had just been more up front and said “I’m going to take you to a hotel and fuck you…” she would have blushed and resisted. But by the second night you met up she’d be ready to be taken home. I just had that experience with a girl I met at a party. She went for drinks. I gamed her and said “I’m going to fuck you…” She said “No you… Read more »

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@Forge the Sky “But I’m a hell of a lot further than I was even 6 months ago, where I was trying to catch fish with tissue paper instead of fishing line. But another thing – gaming this girl actually makes me MORE motivated to go out sarging. Because I know that if I can get more reference experiences in-field, I’ll start to see everything in better detail with this specific prospect as well.” That’s all game is. There’s no end goal because there’s ALWAYS another level you can achieve or twists on your goals to aim for. There’s no… Read more »

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Holy shit Ya, that was some post.

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Anonymous Reader, the tabula rasa ideology predates feminism and it’s an ‘enlightenment’ idea that created all the poisonous ideologies of the modern era: all races are the same neo-lysenkoism, the new Soviet man, feminism etc. It’s comical people cling to the philosophy of the enlightenment Era this strongly given that all its ideas are stupid except the scientific method(the latter is currently goring all the Holy beliefs of the enlightenment). Tom, you said: “The blue pill in its totality consists of all the lies “society” as a whole tells people, to mislead them into doing things that serve the agenda… Read more »

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@YaReally Great posting. Thanks. I especially enjoyed Tyler’s video “Create Relationships For Your Current Stage Of Life: Be Self Aware, Make Only Promises You Will Keep” Tyler: “I don’t judge others. I hope other’s don’t judge me.” There is not a right answer to what type of relationship a guy should choose, but he should choose wisely with a decisive knowledge of who he is and what his skills are. (One’s relationship choices are not better than another’s choices, but hopefully they are right for him.) In regards to the comments to Softek, in Rollo’s blogroll links on the sidebar,… Read more »

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@Rollo

Even though you have The Myth, The Man blog in your sidebar blogroll, links to articles from him get sent to moderation like the one I just tried to post.

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Scribblerg, it’s interesting that I struggle with the same part of game: initial attraction building. In my early 20s I simply used social proof to make girls want me by being in the groups in clubs that had the most fun(combined with being a regular who knew the bartender*, had access to drugs etc). So I never really cold approached beyond saying hi and letting the setting do the work. This sucked since I finished my education because I’m no longer really interested in nightlife. Its also hard to keep pace with college students when they party once you’re on… Read more »

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@ YaReally Reminds me of when I found Faster EFT. I just watched that shit obsessively, just like you’re describing about Tyler’s vids and everything else (which I’m getting into big now and finding very helpful to just have on frequently instead of stuff that’s keeping me where I am) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkNIFmj7PE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAXA3FCPJUA And I got in the habit of, every single morning, if I woke up with anxiety (which I always did), to tap on it. And anything that came up during the day? Tap on that too. Just focus on how I knew I was having a problem, address… Read more »

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Oh, and guys, listen to Yareally about eschewing negativity from your lives. I stopped debating politics online, reading negative things etc. I was on this spiral down into the abyss of despair and sadness, but if you fill your life with positive messages, you’ll start feeling better. What I do now when I’m feeling bummed is put a happy song on repeat and karaoke it a few times. For some reason, it makes me happy and in a mood to socialize. I stopped reading Chateau Heartiste because it’s while I partially agree with the politics, both its message and the… Read more »

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” I stopped reading Chateau Heartiste because it’s while I partially agree with the politics, both its message and the commenters are a negative influence(the latter are retarded too, I expect some to have clinical mental issues).”

Agree completely. All reading an echo chamber that proclaims ever more artfully just how doomed we are accomplishes is to make you feel doomed.

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OldOligarch I think contrast is good for attraction(if something is polarized sexually in our species) and commonalities good for comfort/rapport. Yup… Contrast + Frame is a good stand in for game… In a pinch, you won’t go much wrong at all if what YOU are doing is at contrast with the environment AND you have a strong frame, so you own it… Peacocking, direct opens, early kino, etc all contrast for example… I believe contrast alone signals outgroup status and therefore is attractive to women seeking superior/different/advantaged genes… Imagine a party… You show up wearing a costume, you are the… Read more »

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Hey, Rollo – open hypergamy in the successor to Fifty Shades?

http://nypost.com/2016/04/21/this-years-most-erotic-novel-makes-50-shades-look-like-the-bible/

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Interesting her book is just another masculinizing women trope. We have seen where that ends up..

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@OldOligarch Contast is king. But so too is congruence. I just had an exchange with a girl I’m banging where I shock her all the time. Her: I got a new dress, should I save the surprise until Saturday? Me; Hmmmmm. Will it make me want to fuck you right then and there Her: How would I know? Me: … Her: Or cuddle me and hold me close and be more nice Me: Nahhhhhh doesn’t sound like me at all Her: Can’t you try. be more open Me: Take me as I am These shit tests are crucial and so… Read more »

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“The more you know about women, the more you will become spoiled. Your mind will be filled with rubbish; your mind will be stained.

It is quite usual for us to gather pieces of information from various sources, thinking in this way to increase our knowledge. Actually, following this way we end up not knowing anything at all.

Our understanding of women should not be just gathering many pieces of information, seeking to gain knowledge.

Instead of gathering knowledge, you should clear your mind. If your mind is clear, true knowldege is already yours.”

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@AR No kidding Lordsburg,Seems at that time Arizona had some limits to serial monogamy,he had wore out his welcome in the courts and New Mexico was the closest option,Lords Burg catchy name for a wedding chapple. The point is his blue pill conditioning that he could only have sex when married,combined with a low self worth inspite of his being accomplished,so that when he ran out of material or when she excercised her will it was over leading him to get stuck in a cycle of serial monogamy. This guy pedestalized women,you couldn’t even say she gave me the crabs… Read more »

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“Now, fleezer, what were you saying, again, about Game?”

did you write your name in spunk on the walls of her uterus?

no?

“I inadvertently, accidentally gamed a married woman”

no. you talked to a married woman. this is what social interaction looks like between men and women. it’s always sexual. always.

if you took her into the coat closet and shoved your cock down her throat with her husband in the next room you would have gamed a married woman. that’s a FR I’d love to read so be sure to post it when it happens

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@OldOli – Ya, it seems hard to game when my basic security issues are up in the air wrt my business and finances. However, it’s also an interesting test of my actual internals. Short version – am I really not my fucking khakis? Do I have intrinsic value as a human being to myself, regardless of my circumstances? In fact, what it reveals is that my internals are still oriented towards those externals. Answer: Yes, I am my fucking khakis… When I look deeper, what I find is I’m incongruent in my work/business life too. I’ve certainly not put the… Read more »

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“Bruce Lee probably couldn’t play the guitar but that doesn’t invalidate what he taught.” no. early mma invalidated what he taught. bruce lee was a movie star, not a fighter. “Then why do we keep hearing “sorry I didn’t shave, I wasn’t expecting to come home with you tonight, I was really trying NOT to” ” lol. now we’re listening to what women say? lol. “…seems like a completely logical extrapolation to me lol” You’re the one who claimed you have “superpowers”. not me. “Pretty sure they don’t have a problem finding 3 guys who want to take a bootcamp:”… Read more »

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@yareally

epic, thanks!!!

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How i knew Game worked… every.single.jot.and.diddle… First “game aware” pick up… everything, and I mean everything that Yareally and Tyler and Julien and CH said worked exactly like they said it would… Pick up a 20 years younger pretty married woman from a crowded bar on a weeknight in under an hour – she never knew my name or what I did… Just had good game (some unknowing… lol) and good logistics and BUSTED a move… Scribbs… get out there… 7’s aren’t “dumpster diving” and they are plentiful… Encouraged by the recent softening of moderation… A story of my first… Read more »

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@Forge This is all important stuff, and I’m realizing through these experiences that knowing a lot about game dynamics doesn’t do too much to protect you from rationalizing them away in the moment when you haven’t been burned a few times yet. doesn’t stop you from doing that even after you’ve been burned too…lol… (or had success)… it’s just part of the process of being human… Like, backing up a few steps the overall dynamic I was striking – and how to fix it – are obvious. But my brain just started fixating on details and rationalizing how this case… Read more »

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stuffinbox The point is his blue pill conditioning that he could only have sex when married,combined with a low self worth inspite of his being accomplished,so that when he ran out of material or when she excercised her will it was over leading him to get stuck in a cycle of serial monogamy. That right there is confusing the form with the substance, it’s like the way some of the Moslem sects allow for a 2 hour “marriage” and insist it’s not prostitution. This guy pedestalized women,you couldn’t even say she gave me the crabs without him jumping to her… Read more »

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no. you talked to a married woman. this is what social interaction looks like between men and women. it’s always sexual. always.

LOL at your frustration. Just keep telling yourself “Game only works on bar skanks!”, ok?

Hey, what’s new on “Game of Thrones”? For sure I have no clue, but I bet you’re all up to date on it.

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Scrib, YaReally, others might like this 1980’s Morris Day vid, “Play to Win”

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“For sure I have no clue, but I bet you’re all up to date on it.” you’re right about not having a clue. I don’t have a fucking tv. let’s trade reading lists instead of talking about ghey scripted drama so I might be able to actually discover something new today “LOL at your frustration” what the fuck are you talking about. what you described as “game” is what men engage in every single day without a second thought. I “lazered” at least ten women while talking to them today, and that was before 8 am. the first one was… Read more »

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“Just keep telling yourself “Game only works on bar skanks!”, ok?” game is just another word for man’s original nature. the thing about original nature is that you’re born with it. Cool, but some men get that trained out of them. So they need to rewire their neural pathways, and there’s ways to do that. Why does that fact make you so butthurt-angry? and you can have every single bar skank out there. Doesn’t change the fact: you said that Game only works on some women, that’s not true, and you can’t admit it for whatever reason. Not my problem,… Read more »

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@fleezer “I’m realizing that pua does not equal red pill and in many ways they are actually antagonistic. pua = statist. red pill = anarchist. anarchy requires the highest level of self-reliance and human cooperation. two things men are naturally very good at.” i’d actually reverse it. red pillers are very statist, usually. they just want a different state than the one we currently have. they want to return to a bygone era 50 years ago….but they still want to restrict shit in their favor. it’s not like women were happy 60 years ago. society was shitty for them. they… Read more »

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would, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, would, would, would, would, ehhh – probably, would

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@Andy, after 40, your list will transform into this:

wood, wood, wood, wood, wood, wood, wood, wood, wood, wood! lol

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Ah, it’s clear now. Fleezer’s an anarchist, lol. The anti-social approach to political philosophy…What’s most hysterical about anarchists? They are far bigger Utopians than any Marxist. And for those of you who aren’t steeped in it, anarchy is essentially the absence of political philosophy. One has to skip thinkerd like Aristotle and Hobbes (to name just two) in order to hold such beliefs. Anyone who would like to see it and Social Justice Theory decimated, read Robert Nozick’s Anarchy, State and Utopia published in ’74, I think. I was in part a response to Rawls’ A Theory of Justice, which… Read more »

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@Andy

“would, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, wouldn’t, would, would, would, would, ehhh – probably, would”

No to the blonde second from the left? What the f?

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Not even pith.

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haha. Eh, something about her. Can’t put my finger on.. Well, you’ve talked me into it.

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@Yareally sentient and any other men who go out: FR of death Holy shit last night was a very interesting night, a beautiful disaster. Lots of good, lots of bad, lots of ugly. All of it was a learning experience. I wouldn’t change a thing. It’s crazy how much game has changed me. If I didn’t have high self-esteem and didn’t know my worth, last night would have hurt bad. Instead it makes me laugh. And it makes me proud. Proud that I am not thirsty enough to let women walk all over me… So my date hit me up… Read more »

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KFG “not even pith”

Not even pith? You know, they have pills for that now. Those bicycle seats can be murder on the undercarriage…

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Quixotic – man that was a great story… “If I drive back and fuck her, what does that say about me? Does it mean I am tenacious, a man on a mission, a closer? Or does it mean I am a thirsty bitch with no self-respect who lets women walk all over me?” This here, this is why pursuing the Platinum Rule works [do whatever YOU want to do whenever YOU want to do it], you really can’t go wrong either way! as to your girl, sounds like she was taking something… drugs… Common. But this here man “We see… Read more »

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“Soon there will be war. Millions will burn. Millions will perish in sickness and misery. Why does one death matter against so many? Because there is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I shall not compromise in this. But there are so many deserving of retribution … and there is so little time.” – Rorschach

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@Quixo – Great stuff, learning a ton from reading these FRs, keep ’em coming. One thought. The HB8 might be a pillhead. She may have been on oxy or vicodin or percoset and a few drinks makes her legless, but she starts off unstable and just off. A lot of guys miss chicks with drug problems for some reason. Of course, I don’t know either. Just a thought, really. Her friend might be uber-protective because she knows. Good on you for not being a pussy beggar but instead seeing yourself as actually valuable.

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Better way to remember him, given the setting…

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/dating/prince

some hot chicks…

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@ Quix Awesome FR. Makes me want to go out. My first thought is that it would just be fun. Meeting new people and everything. When you mentioned how they were sharing their cigs it reminded me (even though I’ve been quitting on and off) that I make my own. Get whole tobacco leaves, shred them, blend them and case them, and use a tube injector. People can get fixed on their brands, but it can be a really good opener. If I notice anyone smoking, a little while after they’re done with a cig I’ll just drop that I… Read more »

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@Quint, Sentient,

Quint, read your realizations and thought of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvVe92mi5k

I remember going out for about a full year by myself right after college. All my boyz just wanted to hang out at house parties. Learned a ton in that time, even though I didn’t know what game was, so I’m comfortable going out solo.

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@Softek, dude, a great anxiety breaker for you is a site I found recently called National Day Calendar DOT com. Take today for example. … IT’S FREAKIN “NATIONAL HIGH FIVE DAY” Can you think of ANY easier open than this!!!! I’ve already used it twice today and people love it. Get’s you in perfect state. Bookmark that site and use it each day as a fall back opener resource!

@Quix, also, don’t feel bad about that girl you didn’t drive back over to see. Girls like that don’t yet know how replaceable they will become:
http://www.autoblow2.co.uk/

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@sentient “This here, this is why pursuing the Platinum Rule works [do whatever YOU want to do whenever YOU want to do it], you really can’t go wrong either way! as to your girl, sounds like she was taking something… drugs… Common.” Thanks man. Long live the platinum rule brother. And I agree in retrospect she had to be on vikes or something. Reply to your FR coming shortly @scribblerg “ Great stuff, learning a ton from reading these FRs, keep ’em coming. One thought. The HB8 might be a pillhead. She may have been on oxy or vicodin or… Read more »

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Finding the red pill was one of the best things ever to happen to me. Once you internalize that your a high value man, woman will treat you like one. If they don’t there are 10 other girls who will. In an ltr don’t let your woman forget it. My girlfriend mentioned love the other day and I said that I love her conditionally. You see woman love men conditionally, when you learn to love a woman that way she understands it.

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Thanks Rollo. I need a laugh. Shitty day. Tomorrow will be amazing though.

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@Quixotic

If only more guys would be like you, we could drive the price of pussy lowwwwww as fuck.

@ScribblerG

You’re only a fraud if you quit, sen-sei.

@fleezer….I think was his name.

I’m thinking about looking into something from the PUA world called “fractionation”. Heard of it?

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YaReally Sentient HABD Wala Forge Scribblerg Scray et al Not caught up with last few days of comments yet but not a great start to Blitz Week Days 1 &2 – yesterday and today. Basically I’ve been feeling awful from jet lag, exhaustion plus some mild flu. Not bed ridden but functional only with coffee and meds. Still, I didn’t want to waste time in the big city so I forced myself out on both days just to do a bit of street/coffee shop game. Only managed a couple of openers each day but glad I did that much (even… Read more »

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@ fleezer ” the fact that you bothered to post about a conversation you had with a woman that didn’t end in a blow job is hilarious. you call it “game” while she won’t even remember what you talked about. instead she’ll be blowing her husband” Lmfao. Man, you crack me up. Practicing Game is a learning experience many times. Getting dick sucked is a whole other level. I get it, when you are explaining to other men what transpired in a given interaction, it can sound a little cumbersome to those that aren’t trying to learn anything. Lol, go… Read more »

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Maximus, I’ll miss Prince too…

One of my plates have been wanting to go see Barry Manilow, so I better go ahead and oblige her before that nigga end up dead too. LOL

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I love you Rollo cheeky bastard lol @Sentient Cool story bro! “[I was just testing the waters… ironically because over the last 6 months prior my wife was shit testing the fuck out of me as we battled for Sex Rank dominance after a long beta period… I knew that lots of other women were into me, including lots of her friends, who would give IOI’s and tell her flat out I was looking hot etc… but she would still shit test me over sex, turn me down etc.. was confusing, so I had to prove it to myself that… Read more »

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WARNING: Men listening to Patrice O’Neal need to really ” listen ” and not just ” hear ” him. One thing I have seen here in the comments is men’s resistance to breaking ” social convention “. If you are really hung up on that, then Patrice’s message, the true message will be completely lost on you. But you will laugh though…he’s a funny motherfucker. I’ve stated before ( and I love repeating myself almost as much as Rollo does ) that I grew up around a dozen Patrices’. The things he’s saying are pretty much common knowledge IME, but… Read more »

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BTW re that Squatting Casanova clip and the guy who got blown out: I once got blown out of a set and literally turned around (didn’t even have to move my feet) and opened the set next to them which went a lot better, resulting in the (unconnected) couple standing behind me actually giving me high-fives for having the balls to do that…

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Dutchman, I don’t mind pessimism porn, what I mind the most about CH is that his readers are largely mentally/emotionally damaged people without an original thought in their heads. It’s all the same tired all tropes about cultural Marxists like Adorno somehow invaded America with his army of silly Jews. It’s a worldview stunted by being unable to put things in a cultural and historical perspective and their way of being is actually detrimental to how they’d like the world to be. The archives from before 2012 at CH are neat though. Sentient, I understand what you’re saying, but that’s… Read more »

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Scribblerg, not sure why would anyone care for Rawls. His veil of ignorance is largely just a rhetorical trick, not real philosophy, and it begs the question. Anyone can create these rhetorical tricks to get one to back their side. The real answer to the veil of ignorance thing is that since I’m a white male, I don’t see anything wrong with the world my ancestors created being bent in my favor and that if anyone has a problem with it, they’re free to either pack their shit and leave or fight. There’s little sense in taking silly hypotheticals seriously.… Read more »

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@culum

did you catch the “What is in the agenda for tonight?”

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@quixotic – just catching up on a few days of comments now, see you have some big-ass ones, will get to it tomorrow probably but a quick glance shows you’re having some pretty cool adventures, which is the whole point of the journey…so props on that.

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@redlight – yeah, but that’s just her asking what’s going to happen right? Like basically she’s asking “Are you going to try to have sex?” [the previous text exchange between us was a ping text when I was travelling which SHE sexualized] At this point I could have chosen to deflect it and not give a straight answer (which is what I did, unsuccessfully) OR I could have said something like “Oi, don’t get your hopes up..I have an early start tomorrow”..in retrospect after writing that FR I maybe should have gone that path, but once I committed to the… Read more »

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@culum

no, asking what is on the agenda would be asking what’s going to happen

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@Blaximus Very good point. If one of my blue pill buddies heard Patrice, they would think these clips are hilarious but not understand that to Patrice and men like us, he is dead fucking serious. He is not joking. He and Dante are true gamers. It only sounds like a joke because it is so against the Feminine Imperative (and he is naturally funny; when he howls with laughter it makes me bust a gut) Its not just sexist jokes. Its a real philosophy. Thank you, I’ll check out those vids you posted, I can’t get enough of him “I… Read more »

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@Culum Great text exchange. But I think it went on too long. She was keen but then there was no leadership. At some point you just have to make it clear what the plan is. When you invite her over and she waffles. That’s it. Be ready to walk away until she initiates. You can see in that exchange she’s waffling between wanting to meet up and then having “logical” thoughts. The only way to circumvent them is to make it clear it’s on. 20/04/2016 18:43] Her: Ice cream? Why..so cold [AT THIS POINT I AM STARTING TO THINK SHE’S… Read more »

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walawala-

“..I just had a waffle with a girl I’m banging.”

At first I was thinking

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kitchen/villaware/NDVLWFBFS1_2-V2._V385954135_.jpg

I was like ” wtf??”.

Then I got it.

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@ quixotic

Excellent comment about how to handle flakes.

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@ quixotic The thing about Patrice is that he gives zero fucks and says what he wants to, and if you watch him ( or listen ) you can see him feed off of the reactions to what he’s saying. He is reading the hell out of the people in the audience and he finds it hilarious. They don’t know it, but they are entertaining him also. Reading people is a lot of fun, and you can figure people out pretty quickly, especially women, by their reactions. But…. this means that you have to push them. If I want people… Read more »

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Addendum to above: You have to develop timing. Natural timing. I forgot that part. I got my timing from Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, and Eddie Murphy ( had a bunch of them in my neighborhood too..) and it became my own with a few twists.

You can make folk laugh without being a clown. My wife was cracking up just 15 minutes ago, and I kinda-almost insulted her. With love, of course.

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Yes young dudes here, there was a time when women had ” Bushes “, and it was a normal and natural thing to bring a machete to bed with you.

Then they started ” trimming ” so that they didn’t look like they had a toupee in their bikini bottoms. Then came Landing Strips and Hearts and mini triangles. Then POOF!!!! Nothing at all.

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“I got my timing from Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, and Eddie Murphy . . .”

I started out . . . as a child.

And my earliest influences on timing came from Jack Benny, George Burns and Danny Thomas.

But Redd, Richard and Eddie were from the same mold.

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Then POOF!!!! Nothing at all.

Have to say Blax… not a fan of the naked mole rat look… Groom ladies… learn the meaning of the word…

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@Blax. I once shaved a girl I was banging. Sheared her like a sheep.

It was a huge turn on for her having me managing a sharp razor.

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Culum…. ohboy… [20/04/2016 18:40] Me: Ice cream is on the line Play this line back a few dozen times… How does it come off? Masculine?… Confident? Assured? Sexual? Intentional? or not? To me… It looked like she gave you a bunch of opportunities to lead this in a sexual direction… 20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;) [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda for tonight? [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see but seeing is believing.. And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact… Read more »

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Culum 20/04/2016 18:21] Me: We’ll see [20/04/2016 18:21] Me: Can you make it to [NEAR ME/SHE IS 20 MINS AWAY] by 8? [20/04/2016 18:27] Her: You say : We’ll see but seeing is believing.. And believe is to be left without the knowledge of fact, so in fact what are you saying? 😏 [20/04/2016 18:32] Me: Haha So this here.. how might it have played ut if you said “We’ll see how you play your cards“… I’ve had some good results with that, changes things, flips the script, puts her chasing… what might she say to that? How might she… Read more »

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[20/04/2016 19:12] Her: How are you going to test me on comedy when it seem like you have a problems focusing

OK… this is her coup de grace … I’d be shocked if she wasn’t up for a fuck…

Curious to see others reads here…

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Quixotic\ “Fuck man, I am really glad I read this. I knew you were older and married but I didn’t know you used to be blue pill married. ” Yeah… with the same woman 27 years now… 25 married… Wasn’t blue pill, just got betaized over time… Once my first kid came, was a frog boil for a while… enhanced by churchian doctrines… but that’s a whole other story… At the time I met my wife, I was in a peak Alpha phase, red pill without the language for it, and had my own proto game going strong… totally in… Read more »

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@culum ” should I have openly disqualified sex? Like “Oi, don’t get ideas..you’d better keep your hands off me” type thing? I figured it might be falling into her frame when she was so persistent on the subject:” Good text game is all about getting her to invest and then ROLLING OFF — just like normal game. ” Me: Come over and hang out tonight for a while. Not too late though. I have an early start tomorrow [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What do you mean? What do you want to do ?;) [20/04/2016 18:10] Her: What is in the agenda… Read more »

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Aarrggghhhh…. I swear to Dog, one day I’m just gonna doxx myself and get it over with. Lol. I’m feeling some kind of way over Prince’s death earlier today. Idk, maybe it’s because he was 57. Maybe it’s because I was a Yuuuuggggeeee fan – and I’m not into being a fan-boy at all. Reporter: So, how many instruments do you play? Prince: *Pondering* … All of Them. Okay, share time. Evidently 57 isn’t too young to just die, so I’ll tell you guys the same story I told my daughter this afternoon, to which she gave zero fucks, lol,… Read more »

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At the time I met my wife, I was in a peak Alpha phase, red pill without the language for it, and had my own proto game going strong… totally in my frame.

The advantage Sentient has here is that if she’s an Alpha widow, most likely he’s the Alpha in question. That means/meant he only had to meet his own previous standards. And yeah, the whole “baby -> betaized” situation is really common. It is certain that it can be avoided, I reckon Blaximus might just have an informed opinion.

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@ AR

” And yeah, the whole “baby -> betaized” situation is really common. It is certain that it can be avoided, I reckon Blaximus might just have an informed opinion.”

You know I do brother.

I followed that same pattern, save for the church thing. I never thought it was at all common until I started to read here at TRM.

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PS.-

Fuck Lenny Kravitz. Still.

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Nony Reader… “It is certain that it can be avoided, ” yeah it can, if you are aware… My wife could run laps with Fleezer’s unicorn back in the day, hell we could have had a unicorn race. She was a solid 8 and had an N of 1 prior to meeting me… she actually sexually assaulted me on our first date… LOL so much pent up… Back then, since I figured everyone got married, I said well the math works here on this one, lock it in early… and we were perfect together, fire and gasoline… All good over… Read more »

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@Blaximus: “I’m feeling some kind of way over Prince’s death earlier today.”

Vox Popoli has gone all purple today. It’s going around.

“Reporter: So, how many instruments do you play?

Prince: *Pondering* … All of Them.”

I’ve got to get an oboe or something. I only play everything but double reeds.

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No FRs, but got to talk to a bunch of people. About an hour long convos with three people each. Talked 90’s nickelodeon with one, traveling and china especially with another, and how those goddamn communists are taking over and trumps the only one who can save us with the last one, lol. Also now have two job opportunities. Got a call from one potential job. My boss talked with a rep from a different company that was hiring. He said I should call his boss. Rep knows me personally and was psyched when he heard I was interested in… Read more »

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