Cheaters

Cheating Husband 9

I was picking through The Private Man’s blog a few months back and I came across this gem from about 3 years ago. It’s a pretty quick read if you want to click over and come back. PM recounts an all too common scenario from a Red Pill perspective – casually explaining what the Red Pill is to a guy who’s been immersed in a Blue Pill conditioning and experience for most of his life.

“What’s your blog about?”

“I help men be more attractive to women so they can reach their relationship goals.” It’s my standard go-to response when questioned about my blog.

“I don’t understand.”

“Men can learn how to be more attractive to women and I help them with that.”

James looked shocked and then quickly got angry.

“That’s cheating!” He was emphatic. He was pissed off. He was not attacking me, just my message. Again, the guy code applied.

This reaction did not surprise me. James is of the “be yourself and the right woman will magically appear” school of thought. I know where this comes from. For years I held the same point of view. I didn’t back down.

“A man can learn new things to make himself more attractive to women so he can meet his relationship goals.”

James was stubborn.

“I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

That’s a noble sentiment based on an idealized view of attraction, dating, and relationships. It’s the standard response borne of shitty social expectations. But as I deal in the sometimes difficult realities of the situation, I had to be honest with James.

In this instance, James’ anger was the reflexive response I expect from ‘plugged in’ men when they first come into contact with a Red Pill aware man. It’s interesting when you consider this interaction with a Red Pill Lens. You begin to see just how saturated Blue Pill conditioning is for the average guy in real time. It’s one thing to see its influence in popular media, read a blog or book, see a movie or hear a song on the radio, but it’s quite another to experience it first hand with a guy maybe you know, or maybe you don’t.

Private Man doesn’t elaborate on it in his post, but this exchange is illustrative of how a Blue Pill mindset conditions an almost hostile defensiveness in men. Before I started the blog, and before I had a book out, I encountered this fairly often when I thought a certain man might benefit from my own awareness. It took some time for me to see the wisdom in the fourth law of power – always say less than is necessary.

Blue Pill men’s investment in the “truth” that their conditioning leads them to necessitates a constant confirmation of it from others, from his surroundings and from popular culture blanketing his awareness of it. When a Red Pill aware man verbalizes his truths, his observations, and his perspectives it’s often an affront to that Blue Pill guy’s ego-investments. And these are investments that he’s likely unaware he even holds, and he presumes everyone else holds too.

Think as you like…

There’s a comfort in presuming others believe as we do. It’s an interesting contrast when you think about it in terms of your political or religious views and then apply it to how we differ in respect to our respective Game with women. Most guys understand that other people have differing political leanings and religious dispositions, and it makes sense that they won’t see eye to eye with them. And from a cultural perspective – at least from a progressively western one – we are more or less socially expected to respect those differences in the name of mutual cooperation and mutually beneficial tolerance.

How that actually flies in the real world is a topic I’ll let other blogs explore, but when we consider how the Blue Pill and the Feminine Imperative conditions men across various cultural, political and religious spectrums we see a decided intolerance for even a casual, passing disagreement about how men ought to regard, respect and interact with women.

I won’t rehash the influence feminist ideology and the Feminine Imperative play in that conditions ( I have plenty of essays addressing that), but what I want to draw attention to here is the reflexive response James had with Private Man, and how it finds its root in a subconscious conditioning that was only mildly challenged by PM.

James first presumption was that what PM was teaching men was in some way ‘cheating’. What PM was advising was against a predefined rule set that every man ought to be abiding by. This was a Blue Pill reaction to even the premise of a Red Pill truth – that men can and should learn to interact with women in order to come to a more satisfying relationship with them; one defined by that man’s desires.

This actually offends two rules presuppositions: the first, that men would ever presume to ‘know’ women well enough to outdo other men (women as universal choosers) and second to put his imperatives above a woman’s.

When I interviewed with Alan Roger Currie recently I was asked to give my take on what exactly constituted Red Pill / Blue Pill status, and what my definitions were for the abstract terms of Alpha and Beta. It’s exceedingly difficult to apply concrete definitions in a quick hit info-bite, but with respect to the Blue Pill, Blue Pill conditioning is foundationally about a presumption that all men ought to mutually follow and be accountable to an expected rule set; a rule set that now openly serves feminine-primacy.

I developed this idea in The Second Set of Books post, but with regard to men’s dealing with other men and the implied social contract, there is a definite conflict between men invested in the old set of rules and Red Pill aware men who acknowledge, use and endorse a new set of rules. Thus, using Game or making personal choices based on Red Pill aware wisdom seems like the man applying them is in fact “cheating”.

He’s cheating on the first set of rules that the ‘plugged in’ man expects him to adhere to, and adhere to even when those rules make little realistic sense or have scant appreciable reward for. In other words, a martyr for the concept of honor.

Blue Pill ideology is something learned and internalized over the course of a man’s boyhood into his adult life. When you consider a guy’s upbringing and the extent that the Feminine Imperative conditions and reinforces his investments socially, culturally, religiously, etc., it’s easy to see how ‘natural’ and unlearned it seems to the guy who’s centered his identity on it.

To the greater whole of Blue Pill conditioned men the Red Pill is foreign and an affront to that conditioning. In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:

Every random chump within earshot of your conversation about Game, about your ‘changed’ way of seeing inter-gender relations, about your most objective critical observations of how women ‘are’, etc. – understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism. Even under the conditions of relative anonymity (like the internet), he’ll still cling to that want of proving his uniqueness just on the off chance that a woman might read his rebuff and be fatefully attracted to him.

This is the bread and butter of the White Knight beta. It’s best to assume that most guys who pick up on just your Game vibe, to say nothing of overtly talking about it, are going to side with the feminine imperative by default. For practitioners of Beta Game (which is to say the better part of 90% of guys) this is an organic opportunity to identify with women and engage in the same shaming conventions women use without the fear of having it seem contrived.

…but do as others do

That said, this dynamic is not always so dramatic. There was a time when I lived in Florida before I had started the blog, but well after my time at SoSuave, where I had a get together with some friends at my place for some beer and bullshit time. We’d gotten to talking about ‘how our wives were’ and as you might expect there was all of the “she’s the boss” preprogrammed rhetoric being laughed about until I mentioned that my wife was definitely not the boss.

At that point, beer or no beer, it became apparent that the proverbial crab was about to crawl out of the barrel, so then comes the predictable ridicule about how I’m fulla’ shit, I must domineer her, or how I’m being cocky but my wife really owns me like them – because wives have the pussy so wives make the rules. Real, masterful, masculinity was a joke to these men because they were invested in the idea that they were fortunate to have any woman fuck them, and the one who did was not to be disrespected even in her absence. They wanted confirmation of their investment in the ideology that brought them to their indentured existences.

To the Blue Pill conditioned, wives run the show; to think otherwise is a delusion of masculine power for the Blue Pill man, and all men should acknowledge this.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, Hypergamy needs security. Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks seeks to set up social conditions and to socially engineer men who will at least attempt to provide women with some semblance of Hypergamous assurance. It may not seem it, but the social convention that men ought to Just Be Themselves is an effort to confirm this Hypergamous certainty about a man. Men are honor bound (through notions of whatever chivalry might mean) to be who they are, do what they say and say what they mean – and any man who changes that for whatever reason must necessarily be “cheating”.

This trope has the latent purpose of aiding in women’s Hypergamous filtering process. The old set of books, the rules a Blue Pill man expects all other men to play by, find its roots in a man’s worth being the truthful representation of what he really is. This is not so for women. Women’s self-representation is founded in socially acceptable misdirections that serve her Hypergamous interests (makeup to appear young, hair, nails, cosmetic surgery, etc.)

Popular culture ridicules men who falsely “wear masks of masculinity” in a social order that deliberately obfuscates his understanding of what it means, and all while reinforcing female deception of who men really are.

When men aren’t “just being themselves” it’s ‘cheating’. What it’s cheating is Hypergamy. It is cheating the ignorant Blue Pill ego-invested men whose identities are dependent upon men abiding by a rule set that no longer serves their best interests.

310 comments

  1. >”James is of the “be yourself and the right woman will magically appear” school of thought.”

    Right. Because every coach you ever had for football or basketball or whatever told you, “Hey, don’t worry about the rules, don’t bother to do any training or conditioning, don’t worry about technique…just go out on the field and…be yourself.”

    >“I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

    I dunno, if he’s an outlaw biker or an escaped mental patient, that might actually work out….

  2. “Blue Pill ideology is something learned and internalized over the course of a man’s boyhood into his adult life. When you consider a guy’s upbringing and the extent that the Feminine Imperative conditions and reinforces his investments socially, culturally, religiously, etc., it’s easy to see how ‘natural’ and unlearned it seems to the guy who’s centered his identity on it.”

    I biked all over dc thinking about this with my life today.

  3. Ur soo right, Rollo. I’ve long wondered where all the real men went- lol are the only masculine guys left the outlaw bikers? seriously! What is with these white knight types -get real -no girl likes them. The more they kiss our ass the more we wanna laugh or puke! I have no desire to fuck a FAWNING GIRL–I’M the girl, thk u very much! Feminism kinda did kill romance, by creating these wussy white knights. No one wanna be with them. Some women do like to use them but they’d all really rather fuck a real man, of course. On and on these knights go, trying to kiss our ass and we’re just ready to barf at the craven wussiness. They say shit like “Can I kiss you” omg! ugh! if u have to ask, buddy…..umm then, no, no u certainly can not kiss me.

    Me, I’m very lucky and very grateful. I finally met a natural alpha male. What a difference! Just feels right. It’s the natural order of things. Sorry (not sorry lol) if that is un-PC, it’s how I’ve always felt. And the shit I get from the PC quarter bc I love to cook n clean and make him happy in bed.

    Rollo I want to hand out ur website info to so these hopeless white knights. My single friends wld b grateful! Thank God I met my natural alpha male. UI’m so happy to be devoted to him.

  4. Men are honor bound (through notions of whatever chivalry might mean) to be who they are, do what they say and say what they mean – and any man who changes that for whatever reason must necessarily be “cheating”.

    This is a good summary of the Blue Pill mindset. A man keeps his word to other men, because his reputation depends on it, and because that word-keeping will be reciprocated by other men. Because men are men.

    So far, so good, until the unspoken assumption drops in from Venus that “women are just men who can have babies”, ie. that women will react to this just as a man would. Where does that assumption come from? From 2nd stage feminism – blank slate thinking is a key pillar.

    Blue pill men are brainwashed with 2nd stage feminist thinking. That’s what helps keep the 2nd set of books. That’s what keeps them bewildered when acting towards women as if they were men utterly fails over and over again.

    From the blue pill perspective, a man who acts as if women are different in substantial ways is being dishonorable, he’s breaking the code. That’s why he has to be pulled back in the bucket, before he gets away.

    And this is true even of the he-man churchgoer who attends a church that doesn’t allow women to preach or hold an office. Those men are just as blue pilled as other men, plus they often have more than a touch of pedestalization. I’ve sat with some such men, the best they can offer is Love Languages. That’s it, mid 1980’s stuff barely one cut above “I’m OK You’re OK”. The equalitarian delusion is firmly stuffed into their heads.

    These positions were not reasoned into, and it’s a rare man that reasons himself out of them. But we do exist, don’t we. Yes, we do.

  5. Rollo, let me expand our definition of the red pill way out past the boundaries of sexual experience, to all of life.

    The blue pill in its totality consists of all the lies “society” as a whole tells people, to mislead them into doing things that serve the agenda of others rather than interests of the person themself.

    There’s a certain type of personality that invests their emotions heavily in this blue pill delusion, they derive their sense of security from being part of the hive. When someone comes along and declares that the story should be questioned, they feel threatened, and the reactions can be extreme.

    You don’t often see this on video, but I was able to find one example on something completely different, but it reminds me of the way I’ve seen guys react to the red pill on sexual issues.

    Am I a fan of Jesse Ventura? I have some problems with him. But as a red pill kinda guy I can lsiten to him with fear of taking offense, and think rationally about what he has to say. The news guy, though. He was so apoplectic he was getting unable to function rationally, and I suspect he ran off the set because he reakized he might do soething career damaging.

    This is the blue pill at its most extreme, IMO.

  6. ^Correction

    I can listen to him without taking offense, and think rationally about what he has to say. The news guy, though. He was so apoplectic he was getting unable to function rationally, and couldn’t contain himself from talking over Ventura. I suspect he ran off the set because he realized he might do something career damaging.

  7. Always say less than is necessary.

    Yes. The Big Bang Theory is a guilty pleasure of mine. For such a mainstream show it’s surprisingly red pill. Way better than the repulsive Friends. This seems to be the main fault of the main character (it’s not Sheldon, he’s just the fool) Leonard. He’s an everyman beta but sabotages his own life by over-analyzing, over-explaining and trying to conform to societal expectations when he should trust his gut. He uses 5 sentences when 1 or 2 would do.

  8. Rollo mentioned being familiar with (video)gaming culture (in the context of Gamer Gate). This post about “cheaters” made me think of the analogy with some players of competitive games that impose artificial external rules – the “scrubs” (to be compared with Blue pill “Chumps”).

    David Sirlin has written a book about “Playing to Win”. The book is available for free here:
    http://www.sirlin.net/ptw

    But at the moment Sirlin’s website appears to be down, here is an alternate link:
    http://the-confederation.net/_fr/11/playingtowin.pdf

    I think it is worth skimming the book, even if reading only chapter 4, “Introducing the scrub”.

    The comparison with the videogame situation may bring additional clarity and help someone still clinging to some BP “ideals”.

  9. “When a Red Pill aware man verbalizes his truths, his observations, and his perspectives it’s often an affront to that Blue Pill guy’s ego-investments. And these are investments that he’s likely unaware he even holds, and he presumes everyone else holds too.”

    The defensiveness is far, far worse when you’re lucky enough to somehow jag a red-pill as f*ck girlfriend. She literally told me I wasn’t man enough, I was turning her off, she wasn’t attracted to me. No in a vindictive way either. Just facts.

    Dating this red-pill woman has been the hardest year I’ve ever had with a woman.

    However after 4 months of devouring everything in the redpillosphere, I’m finally putting it into action in a directed way, firstly by calmly and firmly demonstrating I won’t tolerate disrespect.

    For the first time in the relationship, my behaviour is causing her to completely lose her shit, act utterly irrational and show unrestrained emotion. It’s all anger at this point, but it’s so fucking reassuring. Why?

    Because in my 20’s when I was naturally spinning plates without a care in the world, that’s how all my women acted.

    She’s acting like a woman again. Not a man.

    It’s the start of the process however it’s incredible to see the change.

    Thank you Rollo.

  10. “I am tomorrow, or some future day, what I establish today. I am today what I established yesterday or some previous day.”

    ― James Joyce

  11. I think it goes even further:
    Feminism is almost a socially conditioned ‘filter’ that facilitates women’s hypergamic nature – it serves to separate those men who are naturally inclined to follow the ‘beta’ feminist mindset from those who are just either too redpill (ie. unplugged) or by way of their nature simply too assertive to allow themselves to be swayed by the feminist carousel.

    Feminism is doing women’s selection FOR THEM. A guy who ‘GETS IT’ automatically stands out like a great big sore thumb, and women see this instantly. You can immediately see women’s behavior change the moment they are confronted with a redpill or alpha guy.

  12. When I explain that I’m banging various girls due to my game knowledge, I do encounter a lot of hostility or disbelief: “They just want you for your money”… “They want xyz” ” You better watch yourself” “They’re all sluts” etc etc

    I now don’t talk about my red pill knowledge or experiences to guys…at all. Even “naturals” don’t get it.

    Recently at a party with a guy who I no longer talk about Game with. In walks a girl I had banged the week before…. He starts talking to me about her in very generic terms: “She’s cute…blah blah blah”…

    I’m about to say “Yah, I banged her.” But stopped. Because he’d be like “Oh watch it…” or whatever. It’s a form of hostility, sour grapes or accusing me of using game to take advantage of girls…

  13. Most of these guys you spoke to wouldn’t raise an objection to having a strategy for selling something, or negotiating something, like a car or a raise in salary. Yet, to them, everything seems to be wrong if you are not yourself – meaning, as easy to see through as a glass wall – in romantic or sexual endeavors.
    That’s indeed hypergamy. Thanks for exposing it.

  14. I talk to guys indirectly about RP ideas all the time. Sometimes it’s a threat to their perceived ideal of masculinity for others they are glad to find a fellow soul.

    The worst I have encountered was a guy that said his son was a feminist. I was really shocked and just blurted out.. why is he a feminist? The fathers response was… to fight the patriarchy. Wow.. real conversation killer. I never met anyone like that before, so I studied him the rest of the night with curiosity.

  15. “In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:”

    “understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism.”

    Seems like an appropriate place for this vid, and a lesson on subcomms:

    I don’t even like this vid because people see the title and go “OH YA THIS IS THAT “AMOG” STUFF IS IT, YOU WOULD GET KNOCKED OUT TRYING THIS IN MY BARS ON ONE-EYE JACK THE BIKER MMA NINJA, BUDDY!!!”, like this isn’t at ALL a representation of what you would do with an ACTUAL threat/dangerous AMOG.

    The reality is that actual aggressive AMOGs that you can’t at all get away from and HAVE to deal with in a serious way are SO RARE in actual sarging (especially if you’re not sarging shithole dive bars but sticking to venues with a better class of people and bouncers etc), ESPECIALLY when you’re at RSD instructors’ levels of social calibration, that the odds of actually catching footage of them having to handle one of those situations on video is like catching a lightning bolt hitting the tree beside you on camera lol and most of the time it would look like walking (or running lol) away. There’s a clip where Tyler showed a girl his dick and her big brother comes by and sees and is instantly past the point of any kind of reason screaming “WALK AWAY BRO WALK AWAY” and Tyler just says sorry and backs away because showing a guy’s little sister your dick is definite grounds for getting stomped lol

    THIS guy is just a negative chode trying to vent his bitterness on Tyler and his students and it reeks from his pores a mile away, Tyler knows it from the second the guy speaks up. Personally I think Tyler’s way too over the top and hyper in this vid, I wish we had some better ones but whatever lol it’s a good clear video of a chode pulling out the white knight shaming the villain move Rollo’s talking about, and Tyler calling him out on it. Tyler knows the guy has a weak frame so he’s not worried about a fight and knows he can touch the guy and just lecture him etc As one of the comments says “Get into an argument with Owen, end up reevaluating your life and becoming a better person” lol

    Random subtle notes/subcomms: at 10s one of his GFs he does 3somes with steps up to the guy and Tyler demos “protector of loved ones” by just casually pushing her back because he knows this is an easy situation to deal with. And note how he keeps testing how much he can get in the guy’s space, backing off when the guy reacts defensively but just like escalating on a girl he keeps dipping in and out of his personal space over and over until eventually he’s standing fully in the guy’s space. Notice that he gets the guy qualifying to him about “doing alright” with girls and when the chode realizes Tyler has the crowd on his side (“with a GIRL”) he gets fully into qualifying himself. And every time the guy makes a looks-based comment (which he keeps going back to, because it’s Tyler’s most obvious probable insecurity/weak spot) Tyler calls him out on it. And by the time the guy gets to his SECOND qualifying himself after the “weak minded” comment about doing well for himself, Tyler knows he can stop goofing around and just straight out lecture him on his shitty behavior.

    At the very end you can see Tyler’s girl smiling away as Tyler is shouting “Come back asshooooooole” and I want to point something important out about subcomms/vibe/value:

    A big thing to remember is that when WE watch this video as MEN, we see two effeminate flaily possibly gay dudes having a gay verbal slap fight with nasally voices. Like, nothing in this video from EITHER side is going to impress a Blaximus type lol And the manosphere fangirls sitting at home watching this will probably see the same thing, like they’re not watching this video going “wow I want to fuck that Tyler guy!!”

    But in the MOMENT, infield, right in front of girls, all the girls’ hindbrains see are the subcomms of what’s happening. They don’t register “oh you said these words to him and he responded with these other words and I’m consciously judging that”, all they see is “this guy’s vibe is dominating this other guy’s vibe, which means he must have higher value than him”. It’s like Predator vision lol they don’t see the details, they just see like, blobs of energy as their brains take in all the little subcomms going on.

    It’s really hard for guys to understand that because we don’t generally work that way…we’re more logical and look at “well he said this this and this but those weren’t cool James Bond replies he should have said this clever witty line instead, and he’s acting immature and hyper jumping around and running around and making goofy faces, none of this is “cool” when I pass it through my formula of what I believe is cool behavior”. But women don’t work that way infield in the moment…they’re just seeing the overall energy/vibe and comparing Tyler to the other guy, not to James Bond, because James Bond isn’t around (and if he was he would be quietly standing in a corner, right now Tyler and this guy are the center of everyone’s attention because shit is happening), and in that moment, relative to that other guy and the other guys around Tyler, he’s the one that triggers Hypergamy. It doesn’t mean all girls would fuck him, but most girls would rather at least be AROUND him than the other guy and a lot of girls would be open to Tyler’s energy IN THAT MOMENT if he opened them and rode that momentum (VS if they’re sitting at home surfing this forum and watching the video on a screen).

    Here’s a much better example of dealing with threatening/dangerous AMOGs:

    That’s not Max’s beer (Max doesn’t drink), it’s the beer of his student, the black dude behind him talking to the other blonde. The student puts his beer on the table and the guy just reaches over and knocks it off to try to start a fight. A lot of guys would go “dude you gotta confront the guy, get up in his grill, make him buy you another beer or kick his ass bro, gotta keep your street cred, you can’t look like a pussy little bitch in front of the girls or they won’t fuck you!!!1 GOTTA BE A BADASS TOUGH GUY ALPHA BRO!!!”

    But Max figures out what happened (’cause he’s sober, so his brain is sharp, don’t get wasted infield or you can miss little signs of potential danger ESPECIALLY if you’re solo (aka no one to get you to a hospital)) and simply moves the girl away and continues gaming. Because look at his situation: Him and his student are BOTH in set with cute receptive girls who like them (that that angry guy and his buddy probably WISH they were talking to)…why would they bother allowing other dynamics from the environment to enter the set? Especially when it’s coming from some dudes who’ve been sitting there alone with no girls jealously watching Max and his student successfully gaming girls? Like what value does that guy have in that environment in that moment? None. He can only GAIN value by engaging with him and giving him a chance to DHV. Just ignore it and step away and continue like nothing happened.

    When you view it through Rollo’s lens in this article, part of why buddy here chooses Max and his student to pick on is because they’re CHEATING. Him and his buddy clearly hit the gym and his buddy’s got some clubbing jeans on and he’s got his super cool mullet (lol just noticed that, wtf dude) and basically in their mind they’re following society’s plan that says THEY’RE supposed to get the girls, not skinny scrawny effeminate Max and his skinny scrawny student. They didn’t put in the work to follow society’s rules, they’re not supposed to get the girls. They’re CHEATING.

    An hour later, while Max is putting his students and some girls in cabs to go get laid, buddy is in the background swinging fists. Would it have been worth Max’s time to engage the guy? Nah, especially when he’s clearly bigger and tougher. So deal with it in the lowest effort way possible and stick to the mission.

    Again like the Tyler video above, the girls aren’t logically looking at the situation and going “if you were a real man you would have stood up for yourself, I’m losing attraction for you now!!” All they see is the vibe: Max and his student are unreactive to a bigger tougher looking guy who’s trying to get them to react. In that moment (VS watching this video), infield, all the girls’ hindbrains register is the Predator vision “who reacts more to who” subcomms.

    This isn’t just in male VS male situations, it’s in ALL of pickup. That’s why it doesn’t really matter what you say, they’re looking at you with Predator vision. Like a lot of lines you’ll hear them saying infield sound logically dumb/lame/tryhard, but in the moment the girls are running on emotion. At 1:36 – 1:56 the ugly curly haired girl doesn’t even know what’s HAPPENING, she’s just running purely on emotion in the moment. She’s not listening to the logical words coming out of his mouth, she’s just responding to him leading everyone into cabs etc.

    That’s part of what was interesting to see with Julien’s SHIFT infield:

    His verbal game isn’t even that good. He says a LOT of stuff that doesn’t hit and comes off awkward and tryhard and switches gears or says stuff that fucks the vibe up etc. Like, his actual words are pretty weak, especially at the start when he’s out of it, and his buddy (student? no idea, he’s more jacked than Julien but super weird) keeps doing awkward shit. But the girl is responding to his vibe because even though he’s spouting nonsense and even BAD game, EVERY time she shit-tests him, he passes the shit-test. THAT’S the part her Predator vision/hindbrain is responding to and that’s why she keeps giving him chances even though the rest of his game is pretty awkward. Basically he’s just managing to nail all the important key moments (her testing him) while flailing at all the rest. It’s like an exam with 20 questions but 5 of the questions are worth 90% of the grade, he’s fucking up the other 15 questions but nailing those 5 so it doesn’t matter in the end.

    You can see her emotions spike at the “grammar nazi” comment (4:11), and at 4:25 when she wants him to speak italian and he says “pizza pesto spaghetti”, 7:22 when he says “no drugs, no alcohol…PERFECTION.”, 9:33 when she asks if he’s into BDSM or something sarcastically and he says “totally I have duct tape flavored (something something)”. At 10:10 she says she’s hanging out with a band tonight and he’s like “you’re ditching me like that?” “for PART of the night, not during the REST of the night”. She’s already down to hang out at this point, before she launches into her BIG shit-tests on his outfit that turn into physicality and then him surpassing her in value to where she starts qualifying herself (putting on her stripper heels to wear, subtly trying to raise her value after he makes fun of her outfit).

    And that all happens BECAUSE up till that point he’s nailed those important moments even though we would objectively watch them and go “this is pretty weak shit, why would she go home with him??” He doesn’t even NEED hardcore sexual attraction, he can go pretty indirect and tell her he just wants her to be his tour guide etc, because he’s still making sexual jokes etc and knows that when he gets her isolated he can escalate.

    That’s also why you can pick up girls who don’t speak your language or without talking or with pure self-amusement etc, if your subcomms are solid, because you’re tapping into the girl’s Predator vision/brain and engaging with it directly. That’s also why you can take over their Reticular Activation System and become their sole focus while everything else gets blocked out in their brain…you are the bright colored neon yellow on their radar and everything around the two of you fades into monotonous blue. This is why I stress making an emotional impact. The more impact you make, the more her focus is on you, just like if a tiger walked into the room right now you would be 100% focused on that tiger, not noticing your phone has a new text message or thinking about a bigger scarier tiger you saw at the zoo last week.

    Whereas a normal dude or a James Bond guy trying to be cool or a husband who’s become predictable/boring becomes just a faint dull glow at best…and that’s FINE, as long as no one interferes, that glow is still better than the blue around him. That’s why I say ya looks will win if you both just stand there (or online where you can’t really demo attractive traits and make direct emotional impact easily). But when someone comes along who makes a bigger emotional impact on her and shines brighter in her Predator vision, it pushes that guy into the blue blur around you two (and then ideally you just move her away from the guy to make sure he stays blue).

    Like in this SHIFT infield:

    Again he’s not saying anything super amazing. And there are better looking guys around etc SURELY that club is FULL of better looking richer James Bond guys compared to Julien in his shitty unfitted t-shirt and skinny-fat manboob body. Any second she WANTS she can just walk back into that club full of dudes who will buy her drinks and are jacked and shit, and Julien couldn’t even follow her because he’s not even IN that club.

    But she doesn’t, she sticks with him, because her hindbrain is just registering the overall vibe of what’s going on and what it registers is this guy handling all of her shit-tests and self-amusing and taking over her set of friends charismatically winning them all over as he self-amuses etc. It doesn’t matter what the specific words he says are, all that matters is that he’s making their emotions spike by saying stuff that hits them with emotional impact and causing people around him to react to him.

    Basically this is how girls see other guys in the bar and the James Bond guys trying to be cool standing around:

    Meanwhile here’s how girls see guys taking action and being expressive and unstifled:

  16. Too funny and always good stuff.

    The first thing that came to mind when I started reading this one was your writing on The Second Set of Books. It really does show how many men have men programmed in such a subtle way to accept everything in front of them and toss out what should seem “natural” to any man.

    I find that tossing out little pieces of the Red Pill at a time (to younger men) is better and it seems more accepted versus trying to hit them at once with something big. Granted, I think you have to successful for this to work (especially with women) so that they can see a “blueprint” right before their eyes. The FI is pretty strong in many so it takes time to reprogram them and the lesson is on how they can be a (Red Pill) man like that, too, versus being the Beta chump that the FI (and most of society) wants them to be for their useful purpose.

  17. oh gay apparently you can’t link to specific videos in a youtube playlist lol here’s the two vids I meant to link:

    That one that got linked is a good example too though. The chick is some porn chick he pulls from the dance floor to isolation. First set of the night, early, and she has a group with a jealous/protective orbiter (big tall jacked dude who comes in at 26:50, another example of dealing with guys, just ignore them, no reason to get reactive and try to aggressively AMOG him) so he figures the logistics will be too tricky and just takes a number but he does a solid number close, watch how much he time bridges and forces her to invest in the number to try to prevent flaking (even at the very end of it all the last words he’s saying to her in the clip are “call me, say it” telling her to say “call me” to him to mentally make her invest in the idea that they’re meeting up again).

    But like, a lot of what he says doesn’t hit or is awkward, but he nails the key points where she shit-tests him and he’s spiking her emotions, especially when Tyler comes in and grabs her, you can see her rational brain shuts off completely and she just goes into pure emotion mode at all the emotional impact they’re hitting her with. To paraphrase Tyler in another video: “when’s the last time YOU ever laughed like that or were enjoying yourself as much as that girl and having as much fun as that girl is having because she’s met guy who’s hitting her with emotional impact? I’VE never been that happy in my LIFE, this is the greatest moment of her LIFE to her right now”

    So it doesn’t matter that Julien’s verbals are off at points and some of his stories are dumb or don’t go anywhere or don’t get a good reaction etc, all that matters to her is that in her Predator/hindbrain vision he is this huge glowing neon yellow flashlight shining in her face. Every other guy in the venue is invisible in their dull blue shadowy blur around the glowing flare that’s causing her to react.

  18. I am a right now trying to unplug my friend who is about to get divorce raped. It is amazing how a few years ago I would have empathized with “why can’t she love me for me” and “I just want someone special”. As soon as I heard those words recently, however, I heard something different. I heard a cry from a prisoner who doesn’t see his cell. But dude, a few years ago I truly believed with all my soul that following “the rules” was the best most natural way to have my paradise. My big message to my friend will be that if your paradise is a woman, then feminism has truly brainwashed you.

  19. A few thoughts…

    To reiterate the double-standard because it’s really important…

    Women cheat, i.e., use ‘deception’ all the time to enhance their attractiveness, and it works, does it not? How many times have we seen the before and after photos of women who make sizable leaps in HB factor? From makeup, to clothes, to demeanor, women have their own Game, and like men, some practice it WAY better than others.

    Take a look around you…

    Compare the women who play up their assets, their femininity, the ones who know what to wear, how to wear it, how to act alluringly, to the ones who don’t, either because they don’t ‘have it’, or weren’t taught it, and/or society discouraged it.

    You can find women with natural beauty who downplay or even destroy their attractiveness for whatever reason, and you find women who did not pop out with Sophia Vegara or Christine Brinkley genes who nonetheless ‘work it’, whatever they got, and manage to leverage it to the hilt.

    Which do you ultimately find more attractive?

    A natural 8 who dresses like a slob, tats and pierces herself like a carnival act, behaves like a cretin, and thinks her femininity starts and ends with her genitalia, or a natural 6 who accentuates every feminine thing about herself, from looks to personality?

    AND, after the woman lands a guy, how often does she start to let herself go, whether its in looks, or attitude, or both? Which was the ‘real’ her?

    The mask slips, and we are confronted by the fact that women can, and do, also put on a front.

    There is very little recrimination against women over this ‘cheating’, or not being oneself (with some notable exceptions from feminists and sniping by schlubs unwilling to try, and which usually rebounds back to men for being shallow jerks) compared to the reaction guys get over trying to do the same.

    It doesn’t matter WHAT the guy does to enhance attractiveness, whether it’s personal appearance or personal experience, the point is he is not doing anything fundamentally different than the woman (although you can argue he’s got a harder time getting the equivalent interest) by utilizing his own form of Game, by improving himself, and for the same ends, his own.

    But, we find it much more socially acceptable for women to engage in it to attract more attention and a better mate, and there is the FI at work. Now, as noted here, it is even getting to the point that laws are proposed that a man misrepresenting himself to sleep with a woman has committed rape.

    The chances of a man being able to sue/arrest a woman for misrepresenting herself to get him commit?

    Surely you jest…

    In regards to BP resistance…

    Look, no matter one’s intentions, you are still selling a sandwich that, while not actually MADE of shit, at first smells and tastes a whole lot like it is. If you keep that in mind, you will have the proper perspective when you ask someone to take a bite.

    YES, ultimately, it’s actually full of stuff that is good for them, but it tastes horrible going down at first, and might even make one feel ill for a while after, so is it any wonder they want to choke and spit it out?

    Maybe that’s why men who have had traumatic experiences are so much more able to accept Red Pill. They are forced to vomit up the sickly sweet Blue Pill crap they’ve devoured for years, and the taste of THAT makes them ready for anything that might help.

    Yeah, I know it’s a disgusting analogy, but at least it wasn’t The Matrix again…

    “I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

    Ahhhhhhhhhh, but who EXACTLY are you?

    Isn’t that the issue?

    Are you, YOU…? Or are you a Blue Pill constructed, FI approved simulacrum of yourself, one made to palatable to the modern sensibilities and the demands of hypergamy?

    Maybe the REAL you wants a woman that suits YOUR needs, your real ones. Maybe the real you has demands, expectations and desires that you never really acknowledged or accepted.

    See, who you really are is the key James is missing…I know the feeling.

    If you lack an answer to that, or are supplying a false one, that you won’t EVER find a woman to love you for ‘exactly’ who you are, because even YOU don’t know what that is…

  20. @qsajaq

    Interesting and sad to see the state of affairs, today, with our court system. Many don’t see any problem with the system until they go through it….then they realize just how unequal and fucked men really are in today’s world (there are no women lining up for “equality” in our court system).

    On a side note: I often tell younger men to make women a side dish, not the main dish. Younger men can put too much effort into trying to find or capture women when all they need to do is focus on their own stuff (i.e. work, hobbies, etc, etc…their own life). These women will be a side effect of a successful man.

    Too many men try to orbit around women or a certain woman when, if a man is successful in many aspects of his life, then women will start to orbit around him.

  21. Found another good clip of the Predator vision thing. Like Tyler joked in his oldschool Tyler Digest stuff about stealing girls with high buying temperature, it’s basically “follow the shiny object girls, over here, follow it!!” lol

    This black dude approaches pretty alpha, stepping into this guy’s set trying to take the girls. Dude looks good and flat out brags that he’s a basketball player and makes more money than the white dude (LITERALLY says it out loud qualifying himself to the girls at 2:35 trying to win their interest…look how try-hard qualifying low-value it comes off when you purposely draw attention to it like that lol even the ugly little one doesn’t give a shit when she SHOULD be jumping on his dick according to society’s rules of how attraction works).

    All the white dude does is stay unreactive to the black guy and keeps talking and holding his girl. The other guy blows himself out by not having game. Also lol’ed hard when he came back after leaving to try again but can’t even get back in the set and gets blown out by another chick in front of them lol

    For the girls, the black dude has little bits of glow on their Predator vision but the guy just isn’t interesting and doesn’t have emotional impact, while the white guy is holding his girl’s attention, so they keep being drawn to that energy and the black guy gets cut out of the set. Look how low value he looks when he’s cut out of the set. Imagine you’re some hot girl watching this go down, which of these guys would you be receptive to if they approached you? The guy holding the attention of 3 girls or the guy standing behind them all pretending to check his phone and then slinking off into the background.

    Thing is I bet this black dude talks THE most smack out of his buddies when they’re pregaming, like he probably thinks he’s a huge pimp playa, not a lot of guys will barge into a set like that, but the field reveals all.

    Student could have done better too, I would have LOVED this guy coming in because he basically takes the attention of the other two girls leaving me the opportunity to focus on the one I’m talking to. I would just strafe too the right a step as I’m talking so that my girl turns her back to her friends and then I have solid isolation with her and the black dude can try to entertain the other two for me lol I might even ask the guy in front of the girls “hey can you take care of these girls for me dude? We’re going to grab a drink, we’ll be back in 2 minutes, (then say to her friends) I’ll bring her right back, just 2 minutes.” and leave him there with them giving me full isolation lol

    Also hard lols at the cougar at 4:40 waving the foam thing…after you watch the clip go back and watch her, it’s fucking hilarious. That’s a girl who’s determined to get laid (or at least get attention) lol They pass on the tall rich basketball player who got rejected in front of them and flag down this super good-looking jacked dude and his stylish blazer-wearing friend.

    Did that guy hit the gym all month getting himself looking good and his buddy bought his nice blazer and put all this work into their looks, to get the attention of some plain cougars dressed in what I’d swear are sweatpants? Buff guy peaces out and the cougars leave. But hey man, he GOT FREE IOIS!!!! All that gym work paid off!!!!! lol Like I say, most of the time the guys relying on their externals and those free gimme IOIs end up getting those IOIs from aggressive average 6s…the smokin hot girls already have a bunch of good-looking rich dudes in their social circles. Focus on learning to make an emotional impact and take over her Predator vision.

    Another clip of the Predator thing at the start of this video:

    Julien’s student has enough attraction from the girl for her to leave the venue with him…but then his student stops giving her emotional impact, he falls into chode mode going for her number instead of pushing for the pull. So after Julien warns him a few times and the student ignores him, Julien steps in to demonstrate that the girl was 100% pullable if he would step up. Julien becomes the new shiny object making emotional impact on the girl (watch how hard she spikes when he says he’s here to lose his virginity) and the guy that she left the venue with fades into the blue blurry background on the Predator vision as Julien walks her away from him and down the street toward the pull (then gives her back to the guy at the very end, he just wanted to demonstrate that going for a stupid number was the wrong move and that the girl was down to be pulled).

    She’s not even concerned about the other guy, she doesn’t say goodbye to him or look back for him or anything, he LITERALLY just ceases to exist in her mind. Like Arnold covered in mud, he becomes invisible to her.

    If Julien HADN’T stepped in, that guy MIGHT have stumbled ass-backwards into the pull, or if he had stepped up and started walking her away she wouldn’t have a chance to engage with Julien. But emotional impact takes over when someone who understands game steps in.

    And of course this classic set of vids (the first is the infield, the second is the breakdown of it):

    This is VERRRRRRY oldschool PUA material, literally line for line out of the old teaching. But look at the reactions it gets. This is part of why PUA caught on, ’cause we would go out there and do this shit and get these reactions and it’s like “holy shit why does that HAPPEN?? We aren’t jacked, rich, etc but these girls minds get blown by just saying the right things and flipping the right triggers and we are TAKING OVER sets from other guys wtf??” and we felt like we WERE “cheating”, like we had a superpower lol This was some of the rare “filmed with a potato” infield footage we had to use to figure out how to get what was on paper to work infield back in the mid-2000s. Guys checking out pickup today probably don’t even realize how lucky they are to have literal thousands of hours of crystal clear infield footage of pickup (from ALL guys from all companies) to learn from (before making excuses why they can’t go approach some girls this weekend lol) We would have KILLED for that shit.

    Anyway, with the Predator vision thing, this skinny scrawny scrubby looking rat-face dude walks into a set with two dudes gaming two girls and just with bare minimum material that has high emotional impact (opinion opener about men VS women, plus the camera, plus the Powerpuff Girls cold read that was huge at the time), the two guys, including the more alpha one that tries to take the attention of the girls back, fade into blue in the girls’ Predator vision as the girl’s emotions fly off the chart and their brains fry. You can see in the black dude’s faces that even THEY don’t know wtf is going on or how he made them invisible.

    I hate that I even have to explain WHY the girls run off. Like guys now will watch this and go “well he blew himself out” or “oh that didn’t go well, they ran away so they didn’t get laid so that was terrible” or “oh the girls weren’t into him cause they ran off”. Like guys don’t study the old stuff about spiking Buying Temperature and “frying her circuits” (oldschool Tyler covers this in his old posts, probably in the Tyler Digest), but the reason they run off is that girls understand that when their BT spikes that high they’re running on full hindbrain emotion and no longer going to make “smart” forebrain decisions. So if they’re trying to be a good girl and not go fuck some dude at the bar, but you’re spiking their temp through the roof TOO hard, their circuits fry and if they have a friend there the friend will drag them away (like the classic “WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!!”). You see the one girl look back over her shoulder because she’s still drawn to the shiny object but her friend and what little forebrain sense she has left are dragging her away.

    This is why you’ll sometimes run into sets where it’s going REALLY well and the girl is SUPER into you, but then she goes to the bathroom with her friends and when you see her again she’s ice cold to you and you feel like you’re starting over from scratch and are like “wtf happened???” What happened was her friends took her away from the source of her buying temp spiking long enough for her to cool back down and go back into using her rational forebrain and when you run into her again, she’s no longer in that same state she was in when she got dragged away.

    The way to prevent this is to spike their temp but not TOO high, pull it back to normal conversation before it crosses into frying their circuits and just be ready to spike it when necessary (sprinkle it in like spices in cooking, don’t just floor the gas pedal on it non-stop). But Future fried their circuits on purpose because he realized he could capture a demonstration of what that looks like on film.

    Notice again that the girls were presumably talking to the black dudes for a bit beforehand but the girls don’t even say goodbye to them or anything as they run off to let their buying temperatures settle back down…those guys literally CEASE TO EXIST once Future hits them with emotional impact, they fade into blue in her Predator vision. You can hear Future comment excitedly about capturing such high buying temperature spikes on film at the end lol even in the moment he knows that that was something beautiful to capture on film especially back then when the PUA community was still an underground secret as we all learned to “cheat”.

    Again those guys might have gotten laid by those girls, as long as no one who knew what they were doing interfered.

    Here’s another set with Future running SUPER oldschool game, watch at 50s in:

    This is GREAT calibration. At 50 seconds in, he senses that the other girl is losing interest so he cuts his thread and switches to re-engaging her to bring her back in and what does he use? That fucking Powerpuff Girl line again and AGAIN look at the retarded huge emotional impact buying temp spike the girl goes through from it. It sounds RETARDED to us, as logical men, but the girls are responding to the vibe of it and he’s hitting their emotions with regards to cold reading and the stereotypes of the characters that were popular back then etc. That calibration is perfect though, the SECOND she glances away, BOOM, “you know what you remind me of?” and they’re both engaged again as she rambles about how much she loves the Powerpuff Girls. He shot a fucking HARPOON through her with emotional impact. And again he’s just this scrubby skinny rat-faced dude.

    Notice the part at 1:47 where he COMPLAINS that no AMOGs come into his set for him to demonstrate on lol This guy is walking around Leicester Square which was NOTORIOUS for aggressive AMOGs competing over girls especially at last call, that’s why it’s called “The PUA Olympics” in the first video. That’s how confident we were with this shit. Go ahead, TRY to come into my set, you’re just giving me the opportunity to raise my value when I come off 1% cooler than you to the girls lol Guys these days cry and whine when other guys come into their sets, and build entire pickup systems based around gaming in environments where you can avoid having to deal with other guys, but this was the oldschool mentality where we were challenging ourselves and pushing the limits to see what was possible, hitting the field regularly to test our game against any obstacles knowing that we could take them on because we had the “cheat codes” of understanding this shit.

    In conclusion, remember this image infield, be this guy lol:

  22. And last but not least, here’s a recent example of why we prefer to just avoid dealing with aggressive AMOGs in general (like Max did) even if it means being “humiliated” by not keeping our street cred in front of a bunch of random strangers who won’t remember us from a hole in the wall:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/harrow-school-boy-died-from-single-punch-after-telling-club-promoter-youll-work-for-me-one-day-a6991941.html

    Just not worth the risk lol Neither party in that news story needed their lives to go to shit, but they did because two guys were trying to act tough over something trivial.

    Having social calibration and a detachment from your ego goes a loooong way to preventing these unfortunate outcomes. Stay safe out there!

  23. I’m always interested in what women’s magazines are saying because I feel like that’s where cultural change is introduced and feminism is advanced.

    I also was highly skeptical of everything you wrote about open hypergamy until I started paying closer attention to women’s magazines at doctor’s offices or the nail salon… then I realized they’re selling it harder than a mormon missionary.

    Anyways, what I remember about girl teen magazines is that they are all about how to be the person that other people want you to be. Which, to feminists probably looks like a problem, but I think it fits more with what you are saying here than as a tool of the patriarchy. How to change your reputation. How to act so boys will like you. How to act so other girls will like you.

    And then once the girls outgrow Seventeen or whatever, there’s Cosmo, which tells you in very specific detail how to use makeup and clothes and do your hair and how to date a lot of guys and how to have great casual sex and look good naked and advance your career.

    Finally, there are the grown up ladies magazines. And those are the scariest. I mean I’ve tweeted some of the headlines. Glamour is appalling, it’s a case study in everything talked about here. It’s basically about introducing the idea of Open Hypergamy to women across America and pushing the feminist agenda very hard.

    I wonder how men’s magazine’s are different. I feel like the only socially acceptable way for men to speak openly about how to change to get more women is to work out more, and that seems to be what men’s magazines are about, at least looking at the cover.

  24. Ya Really needs to start his own blog!

    I think that one of the reasons men are advised to ‘just be themselves’ is that their various attempts to seduce women by adopting persona other than themselves are usually doomed to failure. Being Yourself often translates down to ‘not giving a damn’ what the woman thinks, and indeed men notice that when for some reason they are genuinely indifferent, women seem to come running.

    It is perhaps a case of schadenfreude that last Friday night a friend of mine was telling me that I was always too cynical about women and should be more trusting of females. Yesterday evening he phoned to say that when he got home on Friday night his wife told him that the marriage was over. Now he wants to return to his ex-wife – a woman who previously and unceremoniously frivorced him. People are just not very good at not being themselves.

  25. Actually I think ‘James’ first mistake is his tacit assumption about women in general. That they are even remotely like us and are independent thinkers, since how else would they chose ‘the man of their dreams?’. They take the shape of their container. The larger and louder the container the worse the result, but the shape of their ambient female herd/doe group is what you get.

  26. I have just had a look at the article that Ya Really links above and as so often with newspapers it leaves more questions than answers, but I think it worth making a couple of observations: firstly, the deceased who had just left or was just about to leave school (aged eighteen) was a student at Harrow School a highly expensive fee-paying school generally regarded as being along with Eton the top school in England indeed the whole of Great Britain, and thus the deceased’s jibe that one day his attacker Tribicatti a fellow Briton working as a club promoter (bouncer?) – and thus working-class – would be working for him was a calculated and arrogantly classist insult. I imagine that America being somewhat more egaliterian where one can rise from a cabin to The White House such an insult would be less effective. Secondly Tribicatti seemed to have two women in tow who were egging him on (‘lets you and him fight over me’).

    If I were in banning mood, I would ban all the old John Wayne movies as they all seem to show that men punching each other is just harmless fun. It can as in the linked article lead from just one punch to death.

  27. @Agent P: precisely. Anyone thinking others are cheating (like “women cheat”) is failing to understand that are very, very few real rules. Real rules actually can not be cheated, examples would be fundamental laws of Physics – note that even those could be broken inside the Matrix.

    The fake rules are only rules to those that believe in them (Blue Pill), they aren’t really a part of the “Matrix” and those in the know (Naturals or Red Pill) can break them, not suffer negative consequences, and indeed be rewarded for it.

  28. @YaReally: I actually really liked watching the Powerpuff girls. My favorite is Buttercup, which I’ll cold read is your favorite as well.

  29. @YaReally Great videos and analysis. On the spiking the Buying Temperature and frying her circuits.

    Krauser’s model talks about “Sexual spikes” where you’re escalating, then injecting comfort, then again another sexual spike, then comfort until you can bounce her.

    This works for me very well. It’s the reason why I’ve negged (sexual spike) then pulled back or started some comfort routine…then sexual spike (can be a neg) then suggest we go for a drink. While having a drink, then escalate or fry her circuits.

    I got blown out the first time I bounced a cute girl I was gaming. After drinks she went home.

    The next night we met and had a make out.

    The third night we met, she flaked. I told her to come over. She did and I banged her. Since then I alternate between total cad and then displaying comfort—not rapport—talking about things that are of interest to her or DHV’ing.

  30. “and any man who changes that for whatever reason must necessarily be “cheating”.”

    when a girl goes away for the summer and then comes back “hot”, that’s not cheating. that’s just time revealing her genetics. no one complains that she’s hot now because a woman is her body/looks and despite all the claims of “cheating” through makeup, clothing, etc. we all know a true natural hottie (hip waist ratio, symmetry, big wide set eyes, thick hair, soft skin… stuff that can’t be faked when she’s skinny dipping in daylight)

    it’s not the same for guys. men aren’t just their bodies (being jacked is not required at all while being generally athletic is important to lots of young girls). their genes are signaled in other ways (behavior, attitude, etc).

    I knew a guy who used to “change” frequently. one day he was a “hippie”. then a month later he’d buy all new clothes and be a “preppie”. then a while later a whole new wardrobe meant he was a “gangster”. I’m not kidding. this guy’s changes got him attention but never any pussy. he was a joke. everyone knew it. but his parents being filthy rich meant he could adopt any identity he wanted. fast forward two decades and he is a fatass slob pretending to be an “artist”. no one took him seriously then and no one does now.

    we all grew up with guys that we put into certain boxes. nothing they do, nothing they achieve will ever change those first impressions. I mean, how do you suddenly see a guy as a threat when you put him into a garbage can, or beat him up everyday, or stole his lunch money or whatever.

    does anyone here think mark suckerberg gets any respect from anyone he knew before he hit it? look at the wife of his. she doesn’t even respect him.

    while a woman is her body, a man is his dominance. and for whatever reason women’s hamster’s see learning dominance as a negative while men see a woman learning to be more feminine as a positive.

    in any SHTF scenario where the supply lines break, a naturally beautiful woman will still be highly desirable as will a naturally dominant man because when the social structure that allowed certain men to “change” and learn dominance is removed and it’s every man for himself (as it was for most of human history when women developed attraction for certain traits), every fake it til you make it guy will be revealed for the “now I’m a gangster” kid he is and always was.

    I can easily see how, from a woman’s point of view, I’d rather side with the natural bullies than the ones that learned how in order to game women or whatever

    as a man ages and grows, evolution is acceptable and expected, while outright “change” is not. congruency is important

    “I feel like the only socially acceptable way for men to speak openly about how to change to get more women is to work out more, and that seems to be what men’s magazines are about”

    lifting simply reveals what is already there in a man. it’s not a change but an expression of fitness.

  31. “basketball player” was too awkward (plus can’t even lie without being obvious) and doesn’t get that coming out a saying something like that or even if somebody asks what you do and you answer like you were waiting for somebody to ask so you could say it will make women act unimpressed even if they are on a mission.
    Women have to find out or you have to make it seem like they found out what you do.

  32. @All – Apologies for going nuclear last week. This shit is so confronting and overwhelming at times I just folded up like a cheap camera and lashed out here.

    For me the sarging and approaching has made clear that women find me interesting but not attractive initially for the most part. What I realized is that I’m used to being attractive and having good externals (from years back, admittedly) but now, being confronted with having to actually work the buying temp up and dealing with how they actually see me, well it’s very confronting. Again, it’s ego and probably YaReally and others find this predictable for a naturalish guy like me. In the recent past, I played my soft sugar daddy game as a way of avoiding the lack of attraction/arousal and just BSed myself about how these women actually saw me. I wouldn’t have banged a one of them without some provisioning. I realize that now.

    Faced with having the worst externals i’ve ever had in my life, and actually trying to work from there was like a hand grenade thrown into my ego. Even worse, doing my natural shit in set didn’t work at all. You see game had me doing far more approaches so I was getting into sets much more than I have in years with women I actually find very attractive but had given up on. Then I’m in set and I’m like, “Oh shit, she’s talking to me and giggling and making those eyes at me” and my natural reaction it to go all “Uncle Bob” on them, so I do and it goes nowhere. I also can see their temp isn’t getting spiked and I feel like an idiot, loser, creepy old guy etc. It was much easier on the ego to pretend “I still have it” based on a few IOIs and approaches. But actually trying to escalate and move from there? Yeah, with my externals, I’d better have some motherfucking game. But I don’t. I even found myself resisting what I knew to do in set in favor of the safe “Uncle Bob” vibe. God forbid I actually make clear to some 23yo hottie that I want to fuck her and she makes a weird face. I’d rather give up and come here and shit on you guys than face that. Arghhh.

    So, I stopped about 2 months ago and decided that I was going to just work on my life etc. But that’s bullshit. I just don’t want to feel like a creepy old guy, it’s too threatening to my ego. And to come here and have it all thrown in my face and to see how I’m compensating and falling back into a my false ego/consciousness of being the “older, wise man” who’s had a lot of ass and knows what’s what etc., and not be able to stop myself, well fuck.

    I heard a great saying a long time ago that seems appropriate. If you don’t get humble, you get humiliated in this world. As an important aside, I’m also stressed as shit about money and my business, and a lot of things haven’t been cutting my way. Business is like that sometimes, it’s like poker. Sometimes you just keep drawing the wrong card. But what’s also true is that I’m not giving it my all and couldn’t seem to fully motivate.

    Backsliding like a motherfucker due to my ego is the short story. But I picked myself up and dusted myself off this week and am doing the work and dealing with my shit and my reality. Part of that is apologizing to you guys here for being such a dick in those comments. I’m sure it’s not that big a thing to any of you beyond a momentary chuckle or wanting to give me the finger, but I still feel like I have to be real in order to make progress and owning my shit here is part of it.

    Sigh…Rewiring my shit at 53 is such a motherfucker sometimes. One breakthrough? You actually have to be real with women. My game was actually becoming very wooden and one women I know who’s been on the receiving end of my recent gaming attempts, who I’ve been trying to turn it around with, took the time to lay out how she sees me in an email. Turns out playing the hardass shuts women down. They don’t trust you and in my case it was incongruent. What she was interested in with me is that deeper, interesting, funny and brilliant guy who made her feel intrigued, but my “game” self was being all faux – i was pretending to have an abundance mentality. I was pretending to not be outcome oriented. She told me didn’t trust me, that she didn’t feel safe. I’d never heard this from a woman before, so i actually thought she was bullshitting me, but what I realized is that I’m being a fucking phony, which I’d never done in the past, and this activated her “Predator Vision” in a very negative way. Most surprising? When I finally understood it, I can see how much I’ve been misinterpreting this woman from the get go and have been basically being a defensive little bitch, trying to keep from getting hurt again when she was signalling a lot of interest. Sigh…It may be salvageable, we’ll see. Being real – AND calibrated and offering value and demonstrating it while actually feeling the abundance and self amusement – yeah, I get it now because I haven’t been doing it. Sure, I can open and get a spike but beyond that? Total shit. Whether in a longer gambit or in set.

    Sigh….

  33. YaReally, man, you are the other half of the philosophy Rollo presents us with. The action to go with the thought, and together, an unstoppable yin-yang of life improvement. Always glad you’re here.

    Pill, Blue Pill conditioning is foundationally about a presumption that all men ought to mutually follow and be accountable to an expected rule set; a rule set that now openly serves feminine-primacy… In other words, a martyr for the concept of honor.

    When first unplugging, I think a lot of men become angry because they’ve put so much effort into goals and dreams that were based completely on illusion. There was some of that for me, but the thing that truly angered me, and continues to do so, is the above, especially when hitched to the twin presumptions of women’s powerlessness and women’s omnipotence/omniscience. Taken as a whole, it’s a horrifying mess of cognitive dissonance. Worse, it destroys more potential than anyone will ever be able to calculate.

  34. Yareally – comment and question…

    On the Future clip, the longer set, also notice how he transitions into a sexualized DHV story… it’s hard to make out the detail, something about wearing women’s clothes…LOL Guys wonder how you go into a DHV story off an open, this is how.. you just go into it… suspend logic, suspend convention “so check this out” is a good transition…

    OK here’s a question, on the Shift video, where he picks up the porn actress, I notice that he is keyed into the “rhythm of the night” … he is conscious of the early hour, that the girl is in “dance mode” and is here with her friends, one guy of whom comes and fetches her, and Julien consciously doesn’t even try to pull, he is focused from the start on the number… I believe he even says it’s too early to pull.

    I try and stay conscious of the rhythm of the night and dynamics, like girls having dinner and BFF time at 8PM and things like that. I have had success in pulling early (9PM) in hotel lounges and instadating from street game and such, but in a “going out” type of setting, like a destination dance club and such, it doesn’t work well… The flip side is waiting until closing will also not work too well, as most of the better girls will have split before then when the rush is on at “golden hour”… seems like the best time is the hour just before this.. when it’s also a good time to get a venue bounce in.

    Wonder what your thoughts are around this, rhythm of the night dynamic and any tips? Of course game early and often no doubt [i.e.e still get warmed up, et make outs if you want, get numbers if you number game], but in the context of SNL pulls especially, it does seem to be something to factor in.

  35. scribblerg, sorry to hear of your troubles, though I honor your honesty with us. I’m only 5 years behind you and pulling like hell to reconfigure myself, including the my-own-business part you already have going. Hoping for a better card draw, but luck’s a flighty one. Same deal: fears of being the creepy old dude, going Uncle John on people, just no overwhelming reason to fight through it yet – though I probably will have in the next few years unless things can be pulled together. Anyway. This wasn’t to be about me, but to say yeah, you’re not alone.

  36. “Julien walks her away from him and down the street toward the pull (then gives her back to the guy at the very end, he just wanted to demonstrate that going for a stupid number was the wrong move and that the girl was down to be pulled)”

    Ha ha… I used the technique from this exact video and another one where Julien talks about “wizard talk” to bounce a 25 YO Chinese model in 30 minutes… trust this stuff guys. It works! Time and time again what you see posted works!

    So – no shit – tonight I am in a west coast city with a big Chinese community at a work related function. Just wandering around meeting and greeting. see a chode by himself so wander over and say hey. Extra glass of white wine next to him. he says it’s for “someone else” who went to the bathroom. We BS a bit and then lo and behold THE hottest girl in the venue belongs to the glass. Saw her milling around earlier and assumed she was with one of the heavy hitters (some serious bug money guys here and this is not out of place)… 5 ’10” 125 lbs (very slim model build) and Chinese in a sensational black cocktail dress… O M F G. Call her an 8 with a 9 (for me – like model types – body). She was 25 turns out. All eyes were on her.

    The chode she was hanging with was about 5’5″, 230 lbs and from the mid west and expecting a kid next month… (No disparagement by using chode BTW – just descriptive – he was a very nice earnest mid westerner). Any how, some intros are made. I am particularly amused by the whole setup AND that the 7 I had at this event last year was milling around watching me and this girl from 12 feet away.

    Text book game was run… Started out nice, moved to some good negs on her, making fun of her, making fun of who she was with ( she came with a 67 YO married guy friend who thought it would be good for her to meet some people) and then some massive compliance testing. she says she “hates me”, that i’m a “liar” and all kinds of stuff… between peels of laughter. I am making fun of China, disqualifying her etc. At at one point she says she would never marry me – and I say hold up there hot pants – there is a structure to things in this country, etc.

    By now, kino is going pretty good. As soon as as glances my wrist with her hand making a point I start in with some boyfriend posture stuff, start grabbing her wrist and hands pulling her in and talking in her ear, then pushing her away and negging her. all basic stuff, chode is getting a huge kick out of this. And I am loving last years girl looking over every 2 minutes at this frivolity… One theme is she needs to get me a drink and that is how docile submissive Chinese women get there men. She declines the first few times, but then interrupts me talking to chode and asks what I am having… LOL. she comes back with a drink for me, nothing for herself. nad she does not get chode anything. he goes shortly after and gets one…

    So the time is ripe to bounce her, it’s just 8 PM, so pretty early. I cut the conversation off and ask her if she has had the local drink. She hasn’t, so I TAKE her by the hand and say well come with me we will get one. Hand then goes around waist as we walk out together… leaving chode standing there and with dozens of eyes – including last years 7 – watching the exit. This alone was worth it… LOL.

    We are walking along and she is peppering me with BS – where are we going, I don’t now you, I didn’t say goodbye to chode, I didn’t tell 67 YO dude I was leaving yadayada… I just employed what RSD guys call “wizard talk” – Don’t worry, it’s just down the street, come, follow me (hand on waist or holding hands), see that there, the next block…. etc. etc. works a charm (seriously everything about game is online here at CH, RSD or YaReally Archive). we go the two blocks to my hotel an sit in the lounge. Piano guy playing, nice and dark…should be a home run. Drink, escalate and on up to the room!

    Every eye, male and female, looked at her up and down when we came in and sat down in a corner booth….

    Alas slam dunk was not the case…. damn….!

    So I ended up fucking this one up, two nights in a row actually… (saw her on the street the next night and instadated again with same leading techique… but missed!)..

    Here is the rest of the sotry [dropped the ball], some good stuff from Wala and HABD in response FWIW… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/comment-of-the-week-and-that-is-why-you-fail/#comment-711505

    Oh,

    Scribblerg…more good progress… more ego awareness… keep pluggin away, you just need a little taste of success to unlock yourself. HINT – shoot lower! For now…

  37. Calling it “cheating” is a tacit admission that Game works.

    I think that is rather interesting. It goes back to what I’ve long suspected as a former Blue Pill man. I think everyone deep down knows the score and how things really work. It’s whether they can take the truth to its logical conclusion and endure the suffering that is integral to unplugging.

    A person’s ability to do unplug is largely determined by the amount of ego-investment they have put into the narrative.

  38. Love that Squatting Casanova clip… so brutally real… Man when you “think” you’re that black dude you feel like all the eyes of the whole place are on you… huge pressure…

    Yeah some girls take note, but really it’s just in your head. get blown out… move o!. simple as that. He wouldn’t allow himself to let go of his ego and looks much worse standing around like that… Shit sometimes when you get a rejection like that just OPEN any girls that are watching (if any are) just smile laugh and say “they’re lesbians… who knew? These days it’s hard to tell…” and you can go right into a sexualized story about how most women have some bi in them and ask them if they ever kissed a girl and such… Good routine.

    But do not EVER go head down and pull out your phone. ever ever ever… that is a death signal for sure. Keep the phone locked away and resist the powerful urges to feel comforted by looking at it…

    LOL… ever pick up (i.e. transportation not game lol) a middle school girl from school? LOL … ALL of them, if they are alone, immediately grab there phones and hunch over it… avoiding the reality they are not in a group of girls talking… It’s obvious behavior.

    The only time to look at your phone is when you are in set, you can use it as a foil, a mini take away. Be distracted pull it out.. hit a few things while going “uh hu… h hu… wait what did you say?” and use it like that… a prop.

    But not alone…

  39. @Sentient – Ya, shooting lower makes sense. Easier target, lowers the stakes so I don’t get so worked up. Thx.

  40. Most of these guys you spoke to wouldn’t raise an objection to having a strategy for selling something, or negotiating something, like a car or a raise in salary. Yet, to them, everything seems to be wrong if you are not yourself – meaning, as easy to see through as a glass wall – in romantic or sexual endeavors.
    That’s indeed hypergamy. Thanks for exposing it.

    This is a good example of how saturated Blue Pill conditioning is in men. Learning, developing and applying strategy in every other aspect of a man’s life is not only acceptable, but expected – except when it comes to women, then you area a manipulative monster for just considering it. This is a perfect illustration of how anything goes, except where women are concerned; that’s how baked-in feminine primacy is.

  41. @PeregrineJohn – Thanks. While advice might seem silly coming from me giving how i’m flailing, I do think that one’s progress will be equal to effort. My shit firing up came from doing a lot of approaches. I also have to take seriously the fact that I was a bit of a natural. I actually resist gaming and just fall back on my instincts AND am ego invested in all those ways of being. YaReally has said that it’s even harder for guys like me than some incel in a way as I have these “reference experiences” that worked a long time ago that shape me in the moment. I’m also very ego invested in seeing myself as good with women as I was. While I was terribly inefficient and could have done much better with game, that crap is all still running inside.

    But in fact, if I just stop resisting it, it should come easier to me. I have social intelligence in a way already, I’m able to talk to anyone and can approach fearlessly. I just have to watch out for the ego monster that seems to come swooping in and just takes over. I have a lot to build on. I also know what good sex looks like and is so when I do finally get one of these chickies in the sack, i can handle that aspect. So really, I need to change my internal conversation and get comfortable in mid-set and be as chill about it as I am in approaching now.

    Good to write about it here. Hope all you TRMers are kicking ass out there!

  42. @LeeLee, so the words of Sheryl Sandberg didn’t sway you about Open Hypergamy, but Cosmopolitan magazine did? Heheheh.

    https://therationalmale.com/2014/06/18/controlling-interests/

    I’ve come to expect that even “Red Pill Women” will default to finding what they think should be an equal parallel in men when an unflattering truth about women is discussed, however in this case the deception that women practice is far more superficial than what is expected of Blue Pill men.

    Men’s performance burden means that any comparison of women acceptably presenting themselves as something they aren’t doesn’t compare to men’s need to actually be that something. So while we can make women’s looks and makeup, heels and plastic surgery an example of presentation deception, a man must go far beyond that simple superficiality. He’s got to have Game, create an emotional response, have A look, play a character, imply he’s got status and back it with social proof, DHV, display conspicuous consumption, be funny, confident, etc. etc. and do all of this convincingly to meet a standard that’s been artificially set by women’s social media fueled egoism.

    Now, that doesn’t have to be a man’s reality in any degree, but that is what is socially implied to him when he’s comparing his commitment to a Blue Pill rules set to the real world one he’s supposed to, for honor’s sake, disparage and reject.

  43. @scribblerg
    “Again, it’s ego and probably YaReally and others find this predictable for a naturalish guy like me.”

    Yup. That’s why I didn’t comment. The longer your ego holds onto believing that you’re a special snowflake and that your problems are unique and special and us young bucks can’t understand them because we aren’t 73 and didn’t pitch our book to a million editors etc, the longer you’re going to be trapped by your ego convincing you that no one can help you and that the solution to your problems isn’t “shut the fuck up, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and just keep working hard and eating shit and taking the hits until you get to where you want” just like it is for everyone else lol

    I don’t know the technical terms for it but your ego is basically rejecting the world and curling up in the fetal position under the bedsheets convincing you it’s your only friend. It knows you better than we do, you trusted it your whole life, you’d be nothing without it.

    “Do you know life without me? NO. Because it doesn’t EXIST. I protect you. You’re listening to NEW people that want to HURT you Jake, NEW. Not OLD FRIENDS like ME. People you shouldn’t trust. Me, I’ve been your friend FOREVER, since the BEGINNING. It’s us against them, Jake. You wanna get rid of ME? You wanna make an enemy out of ME?? ME???”

    So now you’re in a mode of “fuck the world, fuck everyone, fuck all you guys, fuck sarging, fuck all this shit, guess what did I sarge? No, you know why? Because I do what I WANT” like some sassy 16yo girl who thinks no one understands the heartbreak she’s going through with some boy at school and why she’s rebelling against…she doesn’t even KNOW what lol

    “I also can see their temp isn’t getting spiked and I feel like an idiot, loser, creepy old guy etc. It was much easier on the ego to pretend “I still have it” based on a few IOIs and approaches. But actually trying to escalate and move from there? Yeah, with my externals, I’d better have some motherfucking game. But I don’t.”

    Welcome to what life was like for all of the chodes around you in your prime who weren’t able to rely on free handout IOIs lol You’re like a hot girl who’s hit the wall and is realizing men aren’t going to just fall over themselves to date you now. Now you’re just an average dude and have to learn to develop solid internals within that, even when shit is hitting the fan and falling apart around you.

    “I even found myself resisting what I knew to do in set in favor of the safe “Uncle Bob” vibe. God forbid I actually make clear to some 23yo hottie that I want to fuck her and she makes a weird face. I’d rather give up and come here and shit on you guys than face that. Arghhh.”

    That’s why we’re here lol

    “So, I stopped about 2 months ago and decided that I was going to just work on my life etc. But that’s bullshit. I just don’t want to feel like a creepy old guy, it’s too threatening to my ego.”

    Yup. That’s what I would have said in my reply lol That’s what half the TRP forums are doing when they talk about going “monk mode”. It’s just ego protection because they don’t want to risk “bad feels”.

    Like I say, look at those Future PUA vids I posted with the Leicester Square guys, that dude is JONESING for a challenge. All us oldschool guys had our egos shoved in our faces every night out and just kept plowing forward. We felt the same fears you feel, we felt the same resistance, we made the same excuses at points, but at the end of the day none of that shit will get you the results you want. The only thing there is is sucking it up and taking right action and embracing the pain. Just like the gym, just like work, just like anything.

    We KNOW the motivational montage videos with voiceovers to footage of dudes climbing mountains and shit is cheesy and generic. We KNOW saying read some Tolle or listen to some Tony Robbins is frustrating to hear. We KNOW it feels like that’s all just patronizing shit.

    But after you fight against the current feeling sorry for yourself and living out your victim identity to the point where you finally accept that it’s not getting you anywhere, you come back to the reality that as cheesy as all that shit is, they’re RIGHT. All there is is taking right action and moving forward and changing your mindset. You can’t control other shit, you’ll get blindsided by shit at points in ways that are ENTIRELY unfair. But you just deal with it.

    This is my favorite demonstration of acceptance:

    As he watches his car and his one copy of his new book manuscript (or whatever it’s called) drive off, COMPLETELY unfairly, he just lights a cigarette, sighs out a puff of smoke, turns around, and starts walking home. No victimization, no crying, no whining, no anger, just acceptance of a shitty situation and immediately walking toward finding solutions for it.

    “And to come here and have it all thrown in my face and to see how I’m compensating and falling back into a my false ego/consciousness of being the “older, wise man” who’s had a lot of ass and knows what’s what etc., and not be able to stop myself, well fuck.”

    Yup. We can all see it, but it’s a good sign that YOU can see it now. A few years ago you probably wouldn’t realize you were in a tailspin.

    “Rewiring my shit at 53 is such a motherfucker sometimes.”

    Start with never saying “at 53” ever again. Rewiring your shit is a motherfucker. Quit referring to your age. Every time you do, you put yourself in that special snowflake box where your ego won’t let you accept help or learn from others you (often mistakenly) view as outside of that box.

    I don’t even know most of your ages. I assume everyone is in the late 20s to late 30s range lol Because it doesn’t matter. The advice is the same regardless of your age. Attraction is attraction and rewiring your internals is rewiring your internals and taking right action is taking right action, so I don’t care what age you guys are, or what race you are, or how tall you are, or whatever. It’s irrelevant to the things I’m explaining. All that matters is go out infield and do your Field Reports and we can help you get on the right path regardless of that other shit because it’s the same path for everyone and your problems, doubts, fears, resistance, challenges, etc have been felt by hundreds of thousands of other guys and been overcome by tons of them.

    “Turns out playing the hardass shuts women down. They don’t trust you and in my case it was incongruent.

    Natural Solipsism here lol Playing the hardass is fine. Playing the hardass from a place of ego protection, fear, bravado (overcompensation), insecurity, and being incongruent, is what shuts women down. Women are VERY fine-tuned to this while most guys are too spergy and lack the social experience to notice it. It’s a part of women’s S/R that they learn to spot little incongruencies and shit. If they pick the wrong dude to trust and he falls apart when shit hits the fan because he was faking, they’re helpless. And they’re bombarded with men trying to take value from them from the second they sprout tits (or sooner, right Fleezer? lol) Their radar isn’t perfect, the whole “a woman always knows” thing is bullshit, you can obviously fake a lot and not trigger their radar for it, but in general they’re pretty good at spotting something being “off” and trusting that instinct (because they have the attention of a zillion other guys, why would they bother taking a chance on you in 2016 if you give off a possible “not sure he’s really who he seems to be” vibe?).

    “Sure, I can open and get a spike but beyond that? Total shit. Whether in a longer gambit or in set.”

    Nobody wins the game for walking onto the field. Gotta step up and play ball. 😉

    Tyler’s speaking directly to you and your sticking point in this vid:

    @peregrinejohn
    “YaReally, man, you are the other half of the philosophy Rollo presents us with. The action to go with the thought, and together, an unstoppable yin-yang of life improvement. Always glad you’re here.”

    I like the deeper discussions in general here. But someone has to crack the whip and make you guys go out. It’s VERY addicting to wax theoretical/philosophical. But there’s a point where theory has to be put to the test infield and we need guys on the frontlines trying to stick their dick into hot <25yo girls in 2016 to iron out the nuances and bring up counter-points from the field if things need re-evaluating.

    "When first unplugging, I think a lot of men become angry because they’ve put so much effort into goals and dreams that were based completely on illusion."

    Ya that's part of why I get so much flak when I talk about how looks and money don't matter. I'm basically telling guys "EVERYTHING you've worked hard to accomplish in your life was a waste of time. It means NOTHING. You could have just sat on a couch being a bum and gotten the same or better results with women. You wasted most of your life chasing shit that doesn't really matter in the longrun." That's hard to hear and it's easy to shoot the messenger on that one. Not to pick on scribblerg but look how much he accomplished in his life, but here he is exactly where walawala, Sentient, Softek, myself, etc are…dealing with rewiring internals and having to hit the field and approach girls. Externals can always be taken away and were just rungs on the hamster wheel to keep you from questioning things too deep.

    It's like David Spade said: everyone pats Clooney on the back for being a bachelor (when he was), and Dicaprio etc, we accept that those guys would play the field and fuck a bunch of girls. But no one wants David Spade to be that guy, for HIM it's "why don't you settle down already, what are you doing, that's creepy" because little skinny snarky David Spade succeeding with hot girls taller than him etc forces everyone's ego to consider for a split second "maybe all this effort I'm putting in is pointless after all, maybe I'm focused on the wrong channels and goals ENTIRELY" and then brushes it out of the way because they're so invested in their path that they can't give it up, and often they'll double-down on solidifying that belief system the same way a girl will rationalize why she slept with a guy by focusing on good points and ignoring his flaws because if she saw his flaws then she'd just be a dumb girl who fucked a shitty guy and she's NOT a dumb girl no way lol

    @Sentient
    "Guys wonder how you go into a DHV story off an open, this is how.. you just go into it… suspend logic, suspend convention “so check this out” is a good transition…"

    Yup:

    "seems like the best time is the hour just before this.. when it’s also a good time to get a venue bounce in."

    Yup. My buddy and I use the first hour to build our value (just be social, open anything around us, guys, girls, staff, whatever, introduce girls to eachother, play them off eachother, shake off the cobwebs from working all week etc) then we lock into whatever we think is solid and seed the pull ("I'm hungry as fuck, so anyway bla bla") and push for the pull around 12:30-1:00.

    The irony is that a lot of those girls would pull MUCH faster in a different venue, but because they're in a nightclub/bar there's that unwritten "rhythm of the night" thing where they want to blow off steam and go dance and flirt with other guys to make sure you're the best ones and go through that whole movie instead of fast-forwarding through it to skip to the ending like we want to do as guys lol

    It's not that you CAN'T pull early. Julien COULD try to befriend that girl's friends and spend the night hanging with them and run a big production to maybe make it happen…but he's out with Tyler and crew and there are tons of girls and that girl isn't anything magically special that's worth spending the whole night with her to get her and he knows how to solidify numbers pretty solid so he just makes the judgement call that the logistics are too uphill a battle to bother with.

    There are times where I would bail on a long set like that too because I'm sarging with a buddy most of the time and trying to get us BOTH laid not just me. But when I'm out solo I'll run a set like that into the ground and take it as far as I can and work her group etc because hey, why not, I'm out solo, let's see what happens. And that's led to a lot of funny/unexpected adventures (even when it DOESN'T lead to sex) that I use as story/conversation-fodder for my next nights sarging lol

    "but in the context of SNL pulls especially, it does seem to be something to factor in."

    Push every set for the pull. Tyler talks about it in his latest hotseat infields, he's ALWAYS trying to actually PULL, he's not AIMING for the number. He'll TAKE the number, if he HAS to, but he knows there's a good chance of it flaking. Julien knows he has decent txt/phone game and can solidify the numbers with the way he gets them so it's an option either way for him. If your numbers are as solidly time-bridged and invested as Juliens are, then a number's probably fine (but even then watch his stuff on closing/numbers/phone game in PIMP, he knows he has to see her again within like 48 hours or the number is probably wood).

    Todd and Julien stress a good point though: when you exchange numbers, the pressure is OFF to go home with you. She doesn't HAVE to go home with you because she thinks she can just txt you and you'll see eachother another night. She has NO IDEA she's going to flake when her emotions change. So when you bail on the pull for the number, a lot of times you COULD have gotten the pull but you let her have your number and then she lost the incentive to go home with you because Sally is sick from drinking too much and needs a ride home. If she thought you were high value and that she was NEVER going to see you again if she doesn't go with you RIGHT NOW, she would put Sally in a cab and beg forgiveness the next day. But when you go "well it's early in the night, I'll just get her number", then you spend the rest of the night gaming her and Sally goes "I'm sick" and she goes "well it was nice meeting you I'll totes txt you byeeeeeeee" and now you end up with a flake lol

    It's important to TRY taking every set to a pull. Spent a month trying to venue change LITERALLY every set out of the venue. Every single set as soon as you hook go "I'm hungry, let's get pizza at bla bla it's just up the street we can come right back your friends won't even notice let's go" and see if you can get them out of the venue. Just to experience what happens first-hand. You'd be surprised how many girls are tired of the bar scene and down to bail on the venue once they've found an awesome guy…but at the same time some of them will want to stay to blow off their girl energy and watch the whole movie. Gotta calibrate. I like to pitch stuff about being way too old to be in here…if the girl says "omg I know right??" (even if it's because it's a kiddie bar and she's like a couple years older than the other girls, which is hilarious to me) that tells me she's probably cool with getting out of there sooner than a girl who says "noooo you're not too old!!" which tells me she wants me to stay there (convincing me not to leave) for later when she's had the whole movie.

    "Hand then goes around waist as we walk out together… leaving chode standing there and with dozens of eyes – including last years 7 – watching the exit. This alone was worth it… LOL."

    Solid. I love those moments. I know it's ego but I think it's hilarious when guys and girls are watching my sets going "wtf how did he do that??"

    "I just employed what RSD guys call “wizard talk” – Don’t worry, it’s just down the street, come, follow me (hand on waist or holding hands), see that there, the next block…. etc. etc. works a charm (seriously everything about game is online here at CH, RSD or YaReally Archive"

    lol a buddy and I once did that for literally like a 40 minute walk or something retarded. It was SO FUCKING FAR and we just kept saying oh it's just up the street and changing the subject and sprinkling in it's just up there just past that sign etc lol They were in heels too. We were just too cheap to get a cab, but hey, we learned how far we can push that move lol

    "and we end up in a rut every time I try to move to more comfort/rapport. Fucking language barrier… She speaks pretty good English but with a strong accent. Lot’s of my subtle verbose game is going over her head and we keep coming back to the same themes"

    lol this is part of why I don't care for the ESL foreign girls outside North America. Like 80% of the infield I see coming out of EE, the UK, whatever, it's these brutal broken english "talking to a 5 year old" conversations that I can't stand having myself. I LIKE being able to use verbal wit, puns, innuendo, wordplay etc and when girls can do that back to me.

    "all of a sudden we end up talking about her husband (of 6 months) back in China and she is crying tears (the fuck?) and my scam radar is going off… But it turns out she is just a mixed up 25 YO hot chick with problems spanning 2 continents… She was sincere, and since she is slightly older than my daughter it triggers a paternal instinct and I give her some advice…"

    lolol jesus. Just spent too long in comfort and ended up in shitty topic territory. If you could go back to that moment, what would you have done differently? If you're honest with yourself, could you have pulled her up to your room instead of fucking around downstairs having that drink/food? "The food here is terrible, we'll order delivery, come." Like, is there anything you could have done to pull her before entering that shitty drama territory? OR were you stuck in a mindset of "she's SO HOT, I can't just take her upstairs like I would if she was a 4 I was embarrassed to be with and just wanted to fuck as fast as possible and kick out…she's HOT, I have to play this SLOWER"? Were you waiting for green lights? (Todd talks a lot about how the really hot girls won't give you any feedback at all, they'll just go along with what you're doing but you'll never really be sure if she's into you, because she wants to make sure that you're the type that just ASSUMES she's into you because that's the type of guy she needs". It sounds like you had a shitload of value to her when you were at that party, so I'm asking the obvious question lol

    "In retropsect – hitting the lounge and sitting was a mistake. Would have been better to be at the bar, closer and cut things off with more physical response earlier."

    I like to "accidentally" pick a shitty bar and uncomfortable seats (crowded, on stools at the bar, by the windows where it's cold, wooden stools instead of a cushiony booth, shitty/sketchy crowd, obnoxiously drunk crowd, a kiddie venue, etc) if it's a venue I plan to bounce from. I WANT her to be uncomfortable because it's easier to suggest we get the fuck out of there if she doesn't like it there lol She'll like ME no matter what, cause I'm awesome, but the less she likes the venue the better. I'll often tell girls to doll up and then take them to a dive bar or shitty pub where everyone is dressed like shit while I dress down casually…I get good scenery and she's relieved to leave a place she feels overdressed in lol

    "He wouldn’t allow himself to let go of his ego and looks much worse standing around like that… Shit sometimes when you get a rejection like that just OPEN any girls that are watching"

    Yup. He lowered his own value. I like to lol and tell the nearest girls about how I got shot down and that I must be creepy etc and because I'm self-amusing they'll usually lol and be pretty receptive/friendly.

    "But do not EVER go head down and pull out your phone. ever ever ever… that is a death signal for sure."

    We allllll do it and we allllll know no one is actually getting txts. Even girls do it lol I like to tell girls flat out when my buddy brings me into set and I have my phone out "just a sec I'm pretending to text someone so I don't look lame standing here" lol

    There was a time where no one pulled their phones out infield 'cause all we had were shitty garbage phones that were pretty much useless for anything but basic txts from close friends with like 5 words fitting on the screen and didn't have reception in half the venues. We were forced to actually INTERACT. If you were that black dude you were EATING SOCIAL PRESSURE until you DID SOMETHING instead of hiding in your phone thinking you're fooling people lol

    I recommend guys try going out without their phone or turning it off so it takes time/effort to turn back on to use it (VS instinctively being able to grab it and use it) or go out with it down to like 10% battery life so you can't use it as a social buffer all night and you have to engage people.

    @scribblerg
    "I also know what good sex looks like and is so when I do finally get one of these chickies in the sack, i can handle that aspect."

    Every week you avoid going out (even if it's for 20 minutes stone cold sober to open ONE set) is one week closer to the week your dick stops working FOREVER and you CAN'T fuck these chickies in the sack.

  44. “A person’s ability to do unplug is largely determined by the amount of ego-investment they have put into the narrative.”

    this is true with pick up as well. puas are heavily invested in their narratives but the cracks in their arguments appear again and again and hearing them acknowldege the discrepancies in their “manifestos” is hilarious. and I applaud anyone that can get through more than two minutes of pua julians manifesto. insufferable. two valuable and watchable talks I’ve seen recently: doug mcguff and drew baye 21 convention talks on HIT

    narrative: all women are the same, there are no special snowflakes

    crack: almost all puas acknowledge the progression in game towards getting the “quality women” after banging hundreds of club sluts. in many of their game models the “quality women” are the apex

    narrative: love is a myth

    crack: almost all puas acknowledge the “loves of their lives” that for one reason or another decided to leave them. they acknowledge the “shallow” existence of one night stands and no-name bathroom sex

    narrative: because it’s called “cheating”, game works

    crack: on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen. the guy pulling the trigger is simply doing his part in the dance. girls want guys who know to to dance.

    I took ballroom dance in college and often danced with the teacher. she knew every move I was going to make at least 2 seconds before I made it. this didn’t mean it wasn’t fun and it didn’t stop her from picking me to dance with. but just because I was technically “leading” doesn’t mean she didn’t know exactly what was coming and move in ways that encouraged me. that’s part of being a woman. I led her because she wanted to be led and it was fun for both of us.

    the fact is puas (like all men) take what they can get. despite their non-stop boasting, they don’t poach high-value targets because those women don’t want to be poached. if this wasn’t true then all the rsd type guys would be banging gorgeous princesses and living the .01% lifestyle. but they’re not. instead they’re self-promoting non-stop and praying that they can fill up their next camp and that all the checks clear. lol.

    eggs are expensive. sperm isn’t. game works because girls want it to work. women decide they’re going to fuck you within 10 seconds of seeing/smelling you. game just makes sure you don’t talk yourself out of it. in that way game has massive value.

    this should make outcome indifference very easy. girls choose. then we choose the girls we want from the group that’s chosen us. Of course the expensive eggs evolutionary biological fact doesn’t make for very good pua boot camp promotional material. marketing and income are always first on their minds and the idea of “fucking any woman” is much more appealing than “fuck any woman who already wants to fuck you”

    puas can post as much infield footage as they want. it simply reinforces that girls want to be gamed, which red pill has long ago proven. fucking cavemen knew that.

    the only pua footage that would prove that men actually choose is footage (I’d settle for a report) of pua announcing a high value target (beautiful, young, well-known) and bedding her. of course this never happens because she doesn’t want it to happen because she already knows who she wants to fuck.

    solipsism is fact. this means that in reality, women game themselves. by meeting as many women in our lives as we can we increase the odds that beautiful women will game themselves and include us in the process (of continuing the species’ dna – much of which has no function for the human organism and exists only for itself)

    control is an illusion. practice doesn’t lead to enlightenment. enlightenment already exists. practice merely reveals it.

    game doesn’t lead to skill with women. men are already skilled with women. game just reveals it and allows nature to take its course

  45. @Yareally: I don’t know the technical terms for it but your ego is basically rejecting the world and curling up in the fetal position under the bedsheets convincing you it’s your only friend. It knows you better than we do, you trusted it your whole life, you’d be nothing without it.
    .
    I call this “the FI owes me steak” rut. Perhaps an old-fashion descriptor is: feeling sorry for oneself. Regardless of description it is a periodic affliction that can be broken, as you describe, by making and achieving micro-goals.

  46. Good post, Rollo.

    This is really the flip side of “Just Get It”. If he didn’t Just Get It, then he’s a cheater. He’s cheating because he had to learn It, whatever It is.

    Women want a man who “just gets it” — he just is masculine, he just is good with women, he just knows who he is and what he wants.

    So if he didn’t just get it and he had to learn it from someone else, or something else, if he worked to change himself, then that’s “cheating”.

  47. James’ outburst is sort of a double entendre to my ears. On the one hand, a wife must accept her husband for who he is because lifetime marriage can’t work any other way, so he has a point. On the other hand, even pedestalization and the first set of books allow a man to improve his (self-perceived) attractiveness through effort.

    Perhaps James has accepted the inversion of husband and wife roles to the point of viewing any effort to dominate his wife as rebellion against her.

    “I refuse to manipulate my spouse” is a great attitude in a wife. Fatal in a husband.

  48. “viewing any effort to dominate his wife as rebellion against her.”

    or maybe as rebellion against his entrenched blue pill self.

    dominating women is a part of man’s true nature. man’s true nature is red pill, not blue.

  49. Yareally – Awesome video of Tyler… Scribblerg.. did you watch it? Did you see 9:22? when the two girls call him creepy? And the girl coming out right behind them he makes out with in 10 seconds?

    That is some great stuff right there. exact same opener… just moving on to the next one. Ego unblemished… or is it dead?

    You need to lose the ego investment in the word “natural”… Game = language of seduction. A “natural” is just a guy who grew up knowing some phrases, i.e. he can order off the menu, get a cab, buy a drink, “donde esta el bano?” where everyone else is making sign language or not saying anything… this comes from someone who learned some phrases prior to getting married.

    Learning game is just having the complete knowledge of the language, coached from fluent native speakers, trained in grammar, tense… Master game is fluent in multiple dialects, culture and history…

    Ya – ” OR were you stuck in a mindset of “she’s SO HOT, I can’t just take her upstairs like I would if she was a 4 I was embarrassed to be with and just wanted to fuck as fast as possible and kick out…she’s HOT, I have to play this SLOWER”? Were you waiting for green lights? “

    LOl – it was worse than this… I thought since I had pulled her to my hotel so quickly, I did enough and was a bit TOO confident, that and enjoying looking at her… and blew it with the comfort… eh….

    Live and learn. I hope… I did basically the exact same thing with this same girl here the very next night LOL!

  50. Ahhh.. one last thought perhaps for today… take note in the ABUNDANT video footage today – what stands out?

    Hint: They are ALL in venues, AT NIGHT with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of women around… LOTS of women around…

    Find these places and spend time there…

    Other night, picking up some food in town for the family, hit the local bar while waiting, grab a beer. 7’ish i think. I look around at the bar, and counted TWENTY FOUR DUDES and TWO WOMEN (each was on a dinner date with a dude)…

    You can’t learn much in places like this…

  51. @scribblerg

    Julian has a good series of vids out about “letting go”. Basically we deal with pain by suppressing it and then when we can’t anymore we explode and tell everyone/someone about it. That doesn’t work either, so we try to escape it (consumerism/alcohol/whatever). Anyway, you might like it. It’s helping me a bit.

    Starts with this one:

  52. “Playing to Win”

    I have pointed out on a number of occasions that one of the chief differences between men and women is that women play to win.

    And as for the Fourth Law, I have gone on over long and shall have to learn to curb my natural loquaciousness.

  53. OK – maybe one last thing re AMONG’s since there was some footage… Last AMOG experience… In a meat market bar, slow night. I’m doing my usual “contrast” game, wearing a cashmere sweater. reliably good for two things, first some bro making a comment and second, women touching it… a subtle way of peacocking.

    So sure enough, there are two late 30’s cougar types there at the bar (place is well known for this) an empty seat and then a block headed bro. I take the seat. Bro opens me, he is pretty drunk.. he goes “Hey man nice sweater!”, the height of bro wit… I know exactly this is coming, so go into my “thanks I know, [brushing it down] it’s super smooth… cashmere. But no touching man [mystery quote]”. He goes into bro mode getting close, putting his arm on me “see I come out like this [wearing a soccer jersey] cause I don’t care what people think”, I’m like “yeah that’s cool you put no thought into what you are wearing [wink]”, then put my hand on his shoulder in counter AMOG fashion and engage him on the team, wher ehe is from etc. he is Polish but works in the US.

    Because I’m chill, he starts qualifying to me that he is a “stockbroker” and travels around. I’m LOLing inside because no one in money management has said they are a stockbroker since Wall Street (the first one… LOL) so I know he is a striver of some level. But I am chill, turn him around with some “you look good man, you lift” stuff. He buys me a drink. we cheers. He says let’s get some pussy. He then COMPLETELY uncalibrated reaches over and grabs/yanks the women next to me’s arm. she loosk over like WTF!. Dude is a bit drunk… But this is a great opportunity for me… he is NOT my wing, just some dude… so I play off his faux pas, apologize to the women “hey my buddy is from Poland he is not familiar with American women… give him a break…” and then hit them with the unexpected “Yeah he didn’t realize… I totally support you guys.. Congrats on the marriage stuff” and they are like ‘what?” and I go into the “you know you’re being lesbians… that’s really great you make a great couple” and they start laughing and shit at this.

    So the one cougar has attraction, the other wants to just get away from the Polish guy… So we split, go to the club across the street. The doorman won’t let Polish guy in with a jersey… So I convince him to let it slide if he turns it inside out… so OK we go in. Now dude is all about getting plastered… He buys me some more drinks LOL and stands around. I see a really hit blond that I saw with a late 40’s Chad Thundercock guy at a bar way earlier in the night [suit, hair, shoes etc… at midnight…], she is by herself so I go over and open her, ask about seeing her earlier etc. she is laughing, responding well… I start to tell her about the Polish dude [now on death row] and the cougars… she is engaged when WHAM! Chad pops back into the set… He gets right up to me “hey man that’s my girlfriend!”… So I am chill and just laughing “yeah I was just meeting her” and he gets back with “She’s with me man… Stay away”… so at this I’m laid back, smiling, laughing a bit like “great man good for you” and the girl i see is way taken aback by his aggro… he persist pointing at me “dude seriously I will fuck you up!… I’m from Philly!!!” and at this I just lose it… laughing… seriously? I ‘m like “oh shit man you’re from Philly” wow… and he glares and takes her and they walk off… I’m standing there, chill…

    Then two huge Spanish guys come up to me. There like “hey bro… I seen that guy… Dude we got you man… we got your back… We’ll fuck that guy up”… I’m like “thanks man… no worries he’s just jealous whatever”, they go “we’re watching man” cheers to them… Go back to the Polish dude, he can barely speak… wasted…

    Just a random snippet dealing with dudes out… always something to learn and have a laugh about…

  54. @fleezer
    “puas are heavily invested in their narratives but the cracks in their arguments appear again and again”

    oh god lol this should be good.

    “almost all puas acknowledge the progression in game towards getting the “quality women” after banging hundreds of club sluts. in many of their game models the “quality women” are the apex”

    “almost all puas acknowledge the “loves of their lives” that for one reason or another decided to leave them.”

    Most PUAs still have some Blue Pill fantasies about settling down with the right girl. They need to read TRM really lol They don’t have a full breakdown of long term LTRs because their main focus is the pickup and first few years of a relationship. Bruce Lee probably couldn’t play the guitar but that doesn’t invalidate what he taught.

    “they acknowledge the “shallow” existence of one night stands and no-name bathroom sex”

    lol you can’t just make shit up. This is the Internet, anyone can google what PUA actually teaches. I get the impression that you aren’t used to having your bullshit called out much, that you would think you can just say “PUA teaches this” and fill in whatever has your panties in a twist that day:

    ONS and anonymous bathroom sex CAN be shallow, but it can also be fun, it depends on where you are in life and what your goals are. Just like a solid LTR can be rewarding if that’s the place in life you’re in.

    They definitely often have the idea that once you settle with a girl there’s not much work left to do in maintaining that though, I don’t disagree with that. That’s what we need Rollo for. One day PUAs will be reading Rollo’s books as supplement for long-term successful relationships. I fully expect a bunch of them to get burned hard chasing the Disney dream, despite all the shit they see infield a lot of them still have the same Madonna/Whore complex Blue Pill and anit-gamers have. You know, guys who say stuff like your next two quotes lol:

    “on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen.”

    Then why do we keep hearing “sorry I didn’t shave, I wasn’t expecting to come home with you tonight, I was really trying NOT to” etc PUA isn’t any kind of guarantee, it’s just maximizing your odds and capitalizing on windows that other guys let slip.

    “they don’t poach high-value targets because those women don’t want to be poached”

    Tell us again how game only works on drunk horny bar sluts. When does your next Jezebel article about how game would never work on the girls YOU know come out? lol

    “if this wasn’t true then all the rsd type guys would be banging gorgeous princesses and living the .01% lifestyle”

    …seems like a completely logical extrapolation to me lol

    “instead they’re self-promoting non-stop and praying that they can fill up their next camp and that all the checks clear. lol.”

    Pretty sure they don’t have a problem finding 3 guys who want to take a bootcamp:

    Again you can’t just make shit up man lol You should be better than having to lie/exaggerate to make whatever your point is.

    “women decide they’re going to fuck you within 10 seconds of seeing/smelling you”

    Nah, ask any guy who does indirect. It’s pretty obvious when you turn a girl around from not wanting to fuck you or being ambivalent about it. But the “smelling” keyword suggests you’re probably one of those pheromones and mirroring her bodylanguage guys which explains a lot lol

    “the only pua footage that would prove that men actually choose is footage (I’d settle for a report) of pua announcing a high value target (beautiful, young, well-known) and bedding her.”

    The only footage that would prove that understanding outs and the nuts and the best hands/odds in poker actually helps increase your odds of winning is footage (I’d settle for a report) of a poker player announcing that he’s going to beat another top poker player with 4 Aces over the other guy’s 4 Kings cleaning out all his money in that hand. You don’t have that footage? THEN NO POINT LEARNING TO PLAY POKER, JUST PLAY RANDOM CARDS AND BET RANDOMLY MORAN!!!!111 lol

    “of course this never happens because she doesn’t want it to happen because she already knows who she wants to fuck.”

    Let me guess: guys like you. And your wife is one of those magical princesses that “being attractive” (aka game) doesn’t work on. Will you include her picture in your Jezebel article or is she too famous and it would be too much of a scandal in some foreign country she’s the princess of?

    @Sentient
    “Hint: They are ALL in venues, AT NIGHT with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of women around… LOTS of women around…Find these places and spend time there…”

    This is why guys who complain about the women in their area need to move and make their way into situations where they’re around the type of women they want. If you HAVE a sick daygame area full of hot girls who have time to chat, cool, hit that shit up. But a LOT more cities have busy nightlife districts full of girls every weekend. There’s a reason Tyler moved from Canada to Hollywood to live in a closet at Project Hollywood. He did what he had to to find hot girls. There’s a reason half the instructors are living in Vegas right now. If you aren’t tied down to where you are (and realistically if you work remotely from work then you probably AREN’T tied down), then move somewhere better. wtf are you waiting for, your Podunk Shithole, Nebraska to suddenly fill up with hot girls? lol

    @Sentient
    “He buys me a drink. we cheers”

    Much better way of handling it than getting defensive/aggressive. Now you have a new bar BFF for the night lol But anyone who’s done this knows what’s coming next…….

    “He says let’s get some pussy. He then COMPLETELY uncalibrated reaches over and grabs/yanks the women next to me’s arm. she loosk over like WTF!. Dude is a bit drunk…”

    lolol every fucking time. These situations always make me lol when I’m in them ’cause it’s like “well here we GO fml lol” and I pretty much write the night off and when we talk to girls together I tell them he’s my new BFF I just met tonight and he’s helping me get pussy because I’m a virgin etc

    “and I go into the “you know you’re being lesbians… that’s really great you make a great couple” and they start laughing and shit at this.”

    I lol’ed

    “So I convince him to let it slide if he turns it inside out… so OK we go in.”

    Dress codes exist pretty much just to keep out drunk idiots, ugly people, and people who look like troublemakers (yup racial profiling, if you’re a big sausage-fest of minority dudes suck it up and go into the venue in groups of 2 pretending not to know eachother in front of the doorman and/or grab some girls off the street/lineup to go in with you). Look at how absurd this situation is. He can’t come in because of his jersey, but he turns it inside out and okay NOW it’s allowed?? lol Doorman was keeping out a drunk idiot but then you stepped up and were cool and he figured alright they’re buddies and this guy seems normal so he’ll probably keep him out of trouble and let him go in after jumping through a meaningless hoop.

    It’s all bullshit smoke & mirrors illusions.

    “Now dude is all about getting plastered… He buys me some more drinks LOL and stands around.”
    “I start to tell her about the Polish dude [now on death row]”
    “Go back to the Polish dude, he can barely speak… wasted…”

    lol people don’t believe me when I tell them this happens. Guys love me and buy me drinks all the time just for talking about girls and opening a set in front of them or throwing a random girl at them even if they get shot down or I get shot down etc Good-looking guys, ugly guys, guys who feel comfortable there, guys who feel out of place there, old, young, it doesn’t matter. When you engage them in a chill way despite any shade they throw at you, they’re relieved to have someone to talk to and you can pump their state for them and that’s like an AMAZING night to them because part of why they were picking on you in the first place was frustration (like that dude that knocks over Max’s beer in the vids I linked). Some basic Juggler rapport and they’re lining up drinks for me as they talk a big game about us getting pussy. And then they just stand around because they don’t ACTUALLY have the balls to cold approach, and then sometimes I’ll end up too drunk off the free drinks to properly game myself lol But it’s all a fun time and a funny story to tell buddies/girls the next time I’m out. These nights are part of the fun of sarging to me, just ending up on random adventures. Your night could have gone ENTIRELY different depending on how you handled that sweater comment. It could’ve been completely uneventful or you could’ve ended up in a fight, all sorts of possibilities but you took proper action to end up in the funniest outcome.

    “He gets right up to me “hey man that’s my girlfriend!”… So I am chill and just laughing “yeah I was just meeting her” and he gets back with “She’s with me man… Stay away”… so at this I’m laid back, smiling, laughing a bit like “great man good for you” and the girl i see is way taken aback by his aggro… he persist pointing at me “dude seriously I will fuck you up!… I’m from Philly!!!” and at this I just lose it… laughing… seriously? I ‘m like “oh shit man you’re from Philly” wow… and he glares and takes her and they walk off… I’m standing there, chill…”

    lol not much you can do except not get hit. But this is the interesting part:

    “Then two huge Spanish guys come up to me. There like “hey bro… I seen that guy Dude we got you man… we got your back… We’ll fuck that guy up”… I’m like “thanks man… no worries he’s just jealous whatever”, they go “we’re watching man” cheers to them…”

    Again people don’t believe me but in the rare occasions I DO run into an aggro situation, this happens a lot of the time. Because you’re unreactive and smiling, the other guy looks like he’s WAAAAAY overreacting and instinctively other dudes want to have your back because it looks like a bully picking on someone for no reason. This is why the whole “MY BUDDY IS A BIG MMA BADASS WHO WOULD KILL YOU WITH HIS PINKY FINGER AND TWIST YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU TRIED ANY OF THAT AMOG SHIT OR TALKED TO A GIRL HE WAS INTO OR EVEN WALKED PAST HIM BECAUSE HE’S JUST A RAGING PSYCHO WAR MACHINE” thing just makes me roll my eyes. I just win over as much of the crowd as possible if it looks like some guy has a problem with me. The more people you seem to know the less likely he is to do much. “WHATEVER BRO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND MY MMA BUDDY WOULDNT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS AND WOULD RIP YOUR HEART OUT WITH HIS BARE HANDS EVEN IF THE WHOLE BAR WANTED TO KICK HIS ASS AFTER” lol ok LARPer.

    Back to work mode, get out there this weekend everyone! Go have some adventures lol

  55. @IAS
    Awesome link. I remember back in the old days of the SRK forums, when the Smash crowd wanted to be taken seriously but kept banning everything deemed “unfair” in their games. To traditional fighting game players, you have to play the game as it is and accept the rules that came in the package. When someone cried over an infinite combo, the answer was simple: don’t get caught in it. “But it’s not fair!”. Sure it is, you know that it exists, it’s part of the ruleset, therefore you can prepare accordingly.

    @YaReally
    I need to rewatch Revolver. Not great as a film, but it conveys so many good ideas in a way that my mind can easily absorb.

  56. “they don’t poach high-value targets because those women don’t want to be poached”

    High-Value targets can seem hard to poach because they want to be poached the hardest.

    FIFY

  57. How Patrice O’Neal handles the white knightey value-signalling shaming guys:

    Patrice is (was) a walking red pill when it comes to this shit lol

  58. “Men’s performance burden means that any comparison of women acceptably presenting themselves as something they aren’t doesn’t compare to men’s need to actually be that something.”

    Isn’t this the basis for all civilizations? All civilizations require men to perform the dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs that keep society functioning. These are not jobs that one does to feel self actualized or what ever other nonsense buzz words one uses to describe the types of jobs women want. The vast majority of women are completely oblivious of this fact and of the sacrifices that men make for their families and society.

    Over the past few decades, the sacrifices that men make are no longer respected. This frees the hypergamous impulses of many women from the guilt that they would otherwise feel when betraying someone who sacrificed himself on her behalf.

    The old rules where men were respected for providing for their families are long gone. What we have now goes even beyond open hypergamy. We have a system where women are free to trade up while still retaining resources from the ones they left behind. Of course this is also an inherently unstable system that breaks down within a few generations as we have already seen in the inner cities.

  59. @Rollo
    “I’ve come to expect that even “Red Pill Women” will default to finding what they think should be an equal parallel in men when an unflattering truth about women is discussed, however in this case the deception that women practice is far more superficial than what is expected of Blue Pill men.”

    I would say this is the BEST test for betaness out there.

    If you start to say “women do this bad thing…”

    And you get immediate denial of woman being bad or, immediate statement of there being a comparison to men being just as bad. This knee-jerk defense of woman kind is the essence of betaness and a yuuuge tell’

    This may be why beta men react so badly about red pill strategy being discussed. IF women can fall for Red Pill/PUA techniques… then women are easily duped. And we can’t have a negative associated with women… so they will run to womankind’s defense and minimize the PUA success.

    Betas are in denial about human nature. We all admit “humans” can be irrational and foolish. But the implication that woman can be PUA/Red Pilled is a bridge too far. To admit that women can be gamed is to admit that perhaps women are not truly equal in inter-gender relations.

    Rollo says that “for one’s sexual strategy to succeed the other party’s sexual strategy has to suffer.” So ultimately there can be no equality… and a Beta’s quest for equality IS a fool’s errand they can’t see the futility of.

  60. @fleezer

    ““almost all puas acknowledge the progression in game towards getting the “quality women” after banging hundreds of club sluts. in many of their game models the “quality women” are the apex””

    k well i have rail fucked several hot ‘quality women’ within like 40 mins of meeting them.

    no, didn’t meet them at a club

    yes, known far and wide as ‘very good girls.’

  61. Re Cheating:

    Yup, woman cheat every single day fellas. That’s why I stress strongly to guys that they not fall for the makeup and heels okey-doke. Calm down, take a deeeeepppp breath and use your eyes and brain.

    Growing up surrounded by females, you get a real sense for all of the preening that takes place. AWALT. All of that salon work and shopping for the ” cute ” outfit, they are in competition for attention be it male of female. It’s not necessarily that they are going to DO anything with that attention, but they want it none the less.

    So when you stroll up looking all shell shocked, they can see it in your eyes and hear it in your words. Even the youngest ones can discern these things easily. They are well practiced.

    That’s why I tap dudes on the head when I see them freaking out over a ” babe “….

    So when men can actually figure out the mechanics of women, it is not cheating. Of course women/FI don’t want men figuring out too much shit about how they think/feel. It levels the playing field somewhat. Thing is, women actually like it better that way.

  62. Excellent post

    Women will say they “need a man that makes her laugh”. This doesn’t mean she wants a clown or a comedian. It mean she needs a man that can push her buttons, that can “make her” feel emotions, a man with game.

  63. Brilliant…
    Reminds of a conversation I had with some chic, she tried slipping this into a convo last week: “You know deep down you’re a good man…”
    😁😁😁

    When you’re out of/cheating the game they’ll fight back…be ready

  64. When accused of cheating, agree and amplify with a breadcrumb. “Sure, I’m cheating by unplugging from the Matrix.”

    And if a man persists in white knighting, simply say, “Sure, you’re a girl, so I totally get it that you want men to stay plugged in to the Matrix. That helps girls. Heaven help the girls if the men unplug.”

  65. @ YaReally

    One day PUAs will be reading Rollo’s books as supplement for long-term successful relationships.

    Your opinion about LTRs and $2 will buy a cup of coffee, lol.

  66. @Yareally

    “That’s also why you can pick up girls who don’t speak your language or without talking or with pure self-amusement etc, if your subcomms are solid, because you’re tapping into the girl’s Predator vision/brain and engaging with it directly. That’s also why you can take over their Reticular Activation System and become their sole focus while everything else gets blocked out in their brain”

    Dude you nailed it. This is exactly how it went for me when I hooked up with a foreign chick recently. It was all vibe and self-amusement. We made a joke out of the fact that we couldn’t talk. Also really demonstrated for me that women are just big children; they all just pay attention to the shiny object and will play with the box if it interests them instead of the expensive Christmas present.

    @Yareally sentient culum and the rest of you sweet gamers

    Mini FR update

    You fellas continue to have an impact on my life even when I drop off of rational male for a while lol. …So I met and hooked up with a hot blonde on spring break a month ago, wrote a FR about it here. She was super into me that night and wanted to see me again cuz we don’t live that far away from each other. I texted her, she was into me but she is one of the young hotties Yareally talks about: I KNOW she gets hit on multiple times a day. She is a prime target lol. So I knew going in that I would be competing against an army of dudes vying for her attention and each passing day i didn’t see her I would be fading in her memory.

    I asked her out on a date. She agreed but then flaked the day before the date, and I only found out because I texted her to confirm. Really shitty of her but common for girls her age. I let it go because my vibe is I’m an easy going fun guy and I have other plates to take care of my needs. Because I follow the 16 commandments of poon, her flaking was only a bump in the road instead of something that got under my skin. Also like Yareally was talking about a few weeks ago, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt so I replied “no worries next time.”

    I let a week pass and then I reopened her. Again, she had good energy and was trying to string me along but she took FOREVER to text back (usually a half a day) and when she agreed to meet me for a date again, I had a feeling she would flake again. Sure enough, the day before our date I texted her to confirm and she said “oh I have to work.” Same as last time, no apology, and the only reason I found out is because I texted her to confirm. Now I was actually annoyed but I had prepared myself, hell i was expecting it. This time I wasn’t going to say “ok” and keep chasing her. Why?

    I remembered a book I read a few months ago that Yareally recommended “The Principles” Manhood 101 –
    http://manhood101.com/ebook.html

    THIS IS A REALLY USEFUL BOOK GUYS. Like a lot of it was shit I already knew but the part that is fucking clutch is the DEVELOP EXPECTATIONS AND ENFORCE THEM stuff. Holy fucking shit. It teaches you to consciously make a list of what you expect from people. What you are willing to accept and what is unacceptable. The importance of setting boundaries and punishing someone for violating your boundaries and rewarding them for meeting your expectations. Not just being butthurt. Not just saying “ok” and begrudingly accepting. Real boundaries that if crossed lead to a verbal reprimand a freeze out, loss of good feelz or being permanently nexted/out of my life. We all have boundaries but most dudes throw them out the window when the possibility of pussy is around.

    And I also remembered how sentient and Yareally have said its crucial to get them to chase you instead of you chasing them.

    With those two things in mind, the second she replied “I cant make it” (just like I had expected) I sent her a text saying

    1. You suck
    2. You need to apologize to me for flaking if you want to see me again/I don’t put up with girls who flake
    3. You need to reply to my texts faster. I don’t put up with girls who are wishy washy
    4. Since you have flaked on me, the next date is your responsibility to plan. Show me you want me.

    She apologized. And she started texting replies back much faster. I rewarded her for this by going back to our normal fun and teasing text interactions.

    But just like a little kid, she tried giving me an excuse why flaking wasn’t her fault.

    So I ignored her and a week passed. She reopened me and invited me on a date and is paying for the date. Basically she is chasing me now 🙂

    We are meeting tonight, should be fun. I don’t expect her to flake and she sent some cute lovey dovey emojis so it should end well. Either way I don’t care got laid this morning lol

    I only care because like Yareally said you have to go down the rabbit hole with girls every opportunity, even if it batters your ego. It forces you to grow and gives you new experience reference points (what you did right, what you did wrong). Like holy shit women really do respect a guy for having the balls to speak up and walk if the girl doesn’t get with the program. This is my gold star learning experience from this girl. And it wouldnt have been as valuable to me if i had just read it from Yareally or another PUA. I had to experience it for myself. One more shout out for Principles of manhood (link is above), its got cheesy pics in the margins but the section on setting boundaries and enforcing them will help all men. I learned shit in that book that doesn’t even apply now, but will be clutch when I have kids.

    Thanks again guys!

    Also I passed some epic text shit tests with her lol, she really really doesn’t like my political leanings or that I’m a fan of the 2nd amendment but I steamrolled her hard (told her I don’t care lol and if she has an problem there’s plenty of awesome unarmed handsome guys in the world so happy hunting!) Having a rock solid frame is fucking awesome.

    P.S. I just bought and started reading Power vs. Force, a book recommended by RSD Tyler in one of the videos Yareally linked recently (the one where all the dudes are standing in a circle chanting ohhmmmmmmmmmmm and working on the power of their voice.) Really good book so far.

    Hope you guys are doing well

  67. Girls are still being all handsy with my butt. One cupped a cheek last Sat at my salsa club. I just ignored it and continued to teach her to dance. Another girl was all excited to dance with me–she probably saw the cheekcupping. Both were black.

    A cute ginger was giving me massive IOI’s but I wasn’t paying attention, lol. I think she’s done this before, so the attraction is ongoing. She must like my dimples. Gawrsh.

    I danced with a cute drunk blonde and asked her about the guys. They are “just friends.” lol, friendzoned

    Mrs. Gamer acted up, I was chill, she went ghost for about 32 hours, I didn’t text; three days after her acting up, we’re back to normal. Woke her at 3 a.m. for sex and she was ready.

  68. @YaReally, most people who if they saw those mullet dudes in that Max video would think they would be alpha in appearance and should have no problems approaching women. But that’s clearly not the case in an FI-dominated world. I remember growing up and going out and all the dudes could fight and it was like most of the dudes spent almost all of their energy trying to impress other dudes with how tough they were instead of using that energy to get laid. Now, some of them did, but a good bit of them didn’t, and now when I look back at my HS days, I see how lame the whole thing was. With all the pussy around, dudes wasted so much energy trying to impress other dudes, but they did so because they didn’t have game, so being tough was the only game they knew how to play.

    If you go to any beach tourist party town, you will see swarms of young dudes walking the streets, taking the buses, and loitering around all acting tough and getting in fights. “if you can’t get pussy, fuck somebody us.” Sad.

  69. @OP

    broader point.

    i don’t think anyone shames anyone else for deploying strategies or anything.

    what people HATE is INCOMPETENCE.

    a dude who takes chicks out on dates to get laid is fine
    a dude who talks chicks out of their panties is fine

    but a man in TRANSITION from one to the other IS NOT FINE

    why?

    because he is WEAK.

    society HATES weak men.

    so any talk of ‘change’ or ‘betterment’ or whatever else sets off that alarm bell.

    at first you WILL be WORSE OFF, and if you don’t commit to learning, you WILL ALWAYS BE WORSE OFF

    ‘JBY’ is code for ‘if you try that, you’re gonna go through some pain…..just avoid that pain and enjoy what you have’

    Once again, guys >40 >80%-tile are most likely to believe this shit. because they are able to get JUST ENOUGH for this to be plausible.

    80% guys aren’t even listening to this conversation seriously anyway

    there is an initial period of pain — if you’re doing it right.

    in fact, i differ from people like blackdragon in that i think there’s always gonna be some pain if you’re constantly pushing yourself.

    if you make this rule-cocoon and never go outside it or try new things or whatever…your ego is just going to swirl around you and create this identity for you and then you’re going to be a little bitch when anything threatens this identity.

    this is different than boundaries.
    boundaries are simply things you will and will not do
    the ego interprets —- this means I am a __________

    that’s why I go out at least one time a week and spend some time ALONE talking to women.

    the FIELD will kick you the real goddamned deal always. fuck your ego.

  70. @ scrib

    Man, glad you’re feeling a little more like yourself. I was gonna share some thoughts with you earlier, but it would’ve taken a post 5 times bigger that YaReally to get all of the thoughts I would want to convey, so I’ll post the mini version instead.

    Age. Meh, fuck it. Many guys I know never saw 30 years old, so I’m happy to be here. The only time I really talk about my age is here in the comments at TRM. Sometimes I think it may be relevant to a point I may be trying to make.

    Other than that, I don’t give it much thought at all ( until I get a pain somewhere for no apparent reason at all ). A lot of what you stated about the job market and age rings very true. The shitty job market thing is a fairly new development that’s happened during our lifetimes. There are virtually no jobs, especially for men that have put in 30 or 40 plus years and have certain financial obligations that match their station in life.

    I never delude myself into thinking that if I lost my job tomorrow, that I’d just call a few contacts and grab another job at the same salary, with the same benefits, within 30 days or so. Hell, it took 6 months for me to get this job 20 years ago.

    And for the record, I hate Tony Robbins. Lol.

    I’m totally at peace with life. Where I am now is where I always thought I would be, Mentally, with age and experience.

    I agree with most of what you state concerning humility, but that humility has it’s limitations. Young, brash dudes may need humbling occasionally, but at 55 I’ve done all of the humbling I’ve ever needed to do. Lessons learned, adjustments made. All a part of getting older.

    Sentient advised aiming lower. Without disclosing N-counts ( because it doesn’t really matter April 2016 ), I’ve fucked enough 20 somethings from age 14 till 29. If I wanted to badly enough, I could probably snag a decent 20 ish chick now, but I don’t want one. Hell, my oldest daughter is 30. 20 year olds look like toddlers to me, he he he. There’s nothing special or magical about them really, unless your a 20-30 year old.

    The flip side to this thinking is that if you really, really want one, just for something to do, once you realize that they are not in any way ” special ” just because of their age, it will make approaching them stress free, and it will be no big deal at all if they blow you off. Pfffttt…kids.

    I laughed out loud about your comment concerning having the sex part down pat. Many young chicks are getting sub par sex today. I hear them all the time, talking about it. I’m always 100% confident that if a young chick wound up in bed with me, she’s gonna have a life changing experience.

    So what has she done to deserve these kinds of attentions, besides being born a certain year?

    And, what’s in it for me that I haven’t already had?

    Only you know what is best for you in that regard. Just my thoughts on the matter.

    Don’t get so much stuff inside your head at one time brother. Sounds like you need to, what’s the term?… go ” monk “(?) on some things. Finance and business related shit is a fucking nightmare. The only thing I can absolutely guarantee you from personal experience is that overly stressing about any of it will not make anything better. Clear thinking, break when necessary. Don’t let that stuff break you man, because it definitely will, especially at our ages.

    Think of a plan, then think of a contingency plan. Gotta have an escape plan. Shit falls apart for millions of people every day in this country. It appears that no Cavalry is on it’s way to help either. It must eventually reach some kind of societal tipping point. Until then, my plan is to abscond to Puerto Rico ( already facing bankruptcy btw..) and spend my remaining days in a hammock overlooking the countryside from a small mountain. Plan 2 is to escape to rural Virginia to one of my ancestral homes. One is even a log cabin, lol. In both places I can feed myself fairly easily and live extremely cheaply, if not free.

    What I’ve realized is that I have not as much control over the economics where I live ( New Jersey, teetering on bankruptcy constantly – Thanks Christie ). I think of it only as much as to remain aware, but I spend zero time stressing about it. I’m trying to reach 60 in one piece, mentally and physically, and stress is a non starter. I walk into a massive building to work every day, and my name is NOT above the entrance, which means that I am always more than expendable. Been expended twice before from other buildings where my name wasn’t prominently displayed. I’m a pro at exiting. 20 years of service guarantees everyone SHIT. America ain’t that place anymore. Red Pill is appropriate in all aspects of life my friend.

    So hang in there and never quit. That is the only way to ever lose.

  71. Quixotic – Awesome stuff..

    “This is my gold star learning experience from this girl.”

    This is the mindset… as HABD always says… just more data points, there are no failures… if you are learning. Ego is intact.

    “I had to experience it for myself.” Reading ain’t learning right? Try , fail, adjust, try again, repeat…

    “Also I passed some epic text shit tests with her lol, she really really doesn’t like my political leanings or that I’m a fan of the 2nd amendment but I steamrolled her hard (told her I don’t care lol and if she has an problem there’s plenty of awesome unarmed handsome guys in the world so happy hunting!) Having a rock solid frame is fucking awesome.”

    Yup – women want to be led.. part of leading is working through the testing…

  72. @ Radium

    ” The old rules where men were respected for providing for their families are long gone. What we have now goes even beyond open hypergamy. We have a system where women are free to trade up while still retaining resources from the ones they left behind. Of course this is also an inherently unstable system that breaks down within a few generations as we have already seen in the inner cities.”

    What you see in the ” inner cities ” is actually the ” system ” that is in play for the entire nation. Inner cities are always, always, the canaries in the coal mines.

    The breakdown comes from ( regardless what the damn ” studies ” say…) government subsidies. As far as women trading up and retaining resources goes, that’s not what’s happening at all. Broads are leap frogging from one broke ass dude to the next, and the gov’t accidently ( or not..) makes this feasible by becoming the beta provider.

    This plan is for everyone.

    Slightly O/T –

    I always ask poorer, inner city folks if they’ve ever given any thought at all as to why they are all herded together into certain places, and given just enough to keep them quiet and checked out of real society, for the most part.

    Most never even contemplated such. Some gave zero fucks, because they were ” getting over ” by having working stiffs provide ( hmmm, the Mob had a similar trope about ” working men ” being suckers. Shitty mentalities think alike..).

    Then the ” studies ” commence. Lol.

    The Old Rules have been dismantled for all men. The guys on the bottom just get completely crushed first.

    The clock, it is ticking.

  73. “Notice the part at 1:47 where he COMPLAINS that no AMOGs come into his set for him to demonstrate on lol This guy is walking around Leicester Square which was NOTORIOUS for aggressive AMOGs competing over girls especially at last call, that’s why it’s called “The PUA Olympics” in the first video. That’s how confident we were with this shit. Go ahead, TRY to come into my set, you’re just giving me the opportunity to raise my value when I come off 1% cooler than you to the girls lol Guys these days cry and whine when other guys come into their sets, and build entire pickup systems based around gaming in environments where you can avoid having to deal with other guys, but this was the oldschool mentality where we were challenging ourselves and pushing the limits to see what was possible, hitting the field regularly to test our game against any obstacles knowing that we could take them on because we had the “cheat codes” of understanding this shit.”

    Dude no homo this paragraph gave me the chills. You are the Tony Robbins of game. Thank you making pick up sound so badass and exhilarating and fun. It is lol. Best hobby ever. Pushing limits is my goal. I used to be annoyed by guys coming into my sets. Now it just makes me look even better lol. Like Tyler says stay in your lane, don’t let the AMOG change you. Don’t change your energy to match his, make him compete.

    “I hate that I even have to explain WHY the girls run off. Like guys now will watch this and go “well he blew himself out” or “oh that didn’t go well, they ran away so they didn’t get laid so that was terrible” or “oh the girls weren’t into him cause they ran off”. Like guys don’t study the old stuff about spiking Buying Temperature and “frying her circuits” (oldschool Tyler covers this in his old posts, probably in the Tyler Digest), but the reason they run off is that girls understand that when their BT spikes that high they’re running on full hindbrain emotion and no longer going to make “smart” forebrain decisions. So if they’re trying to be a good girl and not go fuck some dude at the bar, but you’re spiking their temp through the roof TOO hard, their circuits fry and if they have a friend there the friend will drag them away (like the classic “WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!!”).”

    LMAO dude you just reminded me of a funny incident. Mini time travel FR

    Around a year ago, I went out gaming with 3 buddies. I had been learning/studying pickup for 3-4 months. I was doing great, opening sets, merging sets, kino, etc. Doing great for a noob. After opening around 5 sets at 2 other bars, we went to a new bar to try our luck. There was a hot Latina who kept bumping into me. I was still trying James Bond game but also had ZFG attitude and no matter what I do, I am a silly bastard. So I dropped a smooth as fuck situational opener off the top of my head “You keep bumping into me, Im gonna have to start charging ya…” The girl had instant bambi eyes jaw dropped lol. My friends still bring up that opener lol they thought it was a good one.

    Anyways, the girl explains to me that the tall very drunk bearded dude standing 5 feet away from us who keeps staring at her has been hitting on her and wont fuck off. She wants me to help her. Classic damsel in distress. I don’t remember why I pulled this one out of my ass but I started role playing.

    Like I introduced her to my boys as my fiancé. Introduced myself to her girlfriend by saying some bullshit about “have you hired a photographer for our wedding? Is the guest list finished etc” Lots of kino hand around her hip and hand holding. Dude starts staring me down from across the bar.

    Anyways, stalkerboy becomes INVISIBLE to her. Like all she wants to know is do I have a gf, what is my job, how important is having kids, do I have any kids already. This bitch was ready to settle down and marry me lol.

    I tell her we are going to a new bar and take her hand to lead us out. Stalker boy walks by and shoulder checks me weakly and then turns around to make sure I *know* it was on purpose. I just shot him a shit eating grin and held eye contact til he dropped his eyes and turned around. He’s was a big guy but I am bigger and I had 3 of my boys with me so he knew that’s all he could do lol.

    Anyways at the next bar, this girl is primed. She already made me take her phone number at the last bar lol. She keeps bumping her booty into my crotch, little bump and grind dancing even tho we weren’t on the dance floor. So I was feeling confident and horny. I tell her lets get some air. I really wanted to get air too lol I was sweaty as fuck. She says she wants to stay inside, likely thinking i am trying to isolate to go for the kiss. I smirk say okay and lean in for a kiss. She turns her head and gives me the cheek “I don’t kiss guys I just met” I smirk and say “Well I do” and hold eye contact. She looks back playfully but i can tell she is serious. I say “Ok Im gonna get some air.”

    As I am getting air by myself, I think about the situation. I decide I don’t feel like chasing a girl playing hard to get, I want to hookup now. So I start chatting up some girls outside. I take a little longer than expected. When I get back inside instead of going right back to entertaining her, I open another group of girls. Then I go back to my group and reopen her. HOLY SHIT. Apparently I “fried her circuits” She fucking HATES me. I have never seen a girl so angry, so turned off, so bitter lol. Like she started kinoing my buddy HARD to make me jealous. She wanted me to know she was gonna fuck my friend as revenge. Luckily for me I didnt give a shit lol.

    Oddly, my buddy refuses to engage her. This dude is a natural has a notch count over 100 and is very prideful about his process (this is the guy I mentioned before who cannot go out and game unless he has a fresh haircut. If you want to make this guy have an anxiety attack, just say “dude whats up with your hair” boom he keeps touching his hair, super self-conscious lol). He only likes girls he pulled himself, he doesn’t want some consolation prize chick who just jumped off his friend’s dick. So my buddy is polite but doesn’t engage her. This just pisses her off even more lol. For the rest of the night she half-heartedly flirted with my buddy (he kept trying to use her as a pivot to open new girls lmao).

    I went right back to having fun with my buddies and meeting new people. But i kept noticing she was staring me down with a massive frown, talking under her breath whenever i was near, etc. When we finally left to go home she and her friend conveniently left at the same time we did and walked the same direction lol. I thought it was hilarious, I said goodbye with “So does this mean the wedding is cancelled??” and laughed my ass off. She looked like she wanted to stab me.

    The whole ride home my boys kept talking about how they had never seen anything like that. She went from a stranger to in love/ready to have my babies to I FUCKING HATE YOU/I will burn down your house in a period of 30 minutes. I still have her number but never hit her up lol. So lol yes guys, spike her buying temp but do not fry her circuits. I think the reason this all happened is because

    1. She didn’t want to kiss me because she didn’t want me to think she was a slut. She wanted to treat me as boyfriend material. I am definitely not boyfriend material.
    2. She thought that my “getting air” was me being butt hurt because she turned me down when I tried to kiss her.
    3. She thought I dropped her because she wouldn’t kiss me.

    Basically I DHV’d too much too fast which activated her ASD. I didnt try to fix it because at the time i didn’t know what i had done.

    Helped me realize you gotta go from a slow simmer to boiling, cant go from 0 to 60 it fries their circuits.

    Also made me realize that sometimes game is like a gun in the hand of a child: If you don’t know what you are doing, you can hurt people/fuck shit up.

  74. Audible & Amazon address the socially acceptable issue:

    This video is an ad for the Amazon Kindle/Audible Whispersync for Voice.

    The woman in the ad is reading steamy “romance” novel (it’s #1 in romance>fantasy right now) Diana Gabaldon “Outlander”

    and she seamlessly switches to the audiobook version which picks up in her ears where her eyes left off.

    It’s effective

    Because they’ve put it on Whispersync for Voice,
    Audible and Amazon are promoting
    The Rational Male audiobook

    They’ve reduced the price

    from $24.95

    to $1.99 today.

  75. Given that this thread seems to be active on FR front, here is a FR:

    Remember that I’m married and not looking to cheat, don’t want to get to make outs even. Light kino, like dancing, would be fine.

    I wear my ring so everyone that cares to look knows I’m married and I mention my wife when it makes sense to.

    3 different situations in the same “hobby” location, all with younger girls. I’m practicing a little bit getting more used being comfortable around women, but that is far from the main reason why I am there.

    1. There are a few girls that are generally friendly but get offended (or pretend) if I make any innuendo, and confront me once in a while about it (shit test? Maybe a good sign?). Almost surely see me as beta, pretty sure that if I wasn’t around and some guy they think is alpha did exactly the same they would laugh. The most recent time I just told one of them that my jokes are for self-amusement so I don’t care if they don’t find them funny but I think I lost a bit of Frame. Not sure if I can do something about it to try and practice good come backs at the shit test or if I should just STFU when they are around and save myself from possibly getting into trouble.

    2. There are girls from a different nationality. They are pretty fluent in English anyway, but I speak a little bit of their mother tongue. They are generally pretty receptive, laugh at my jokes whether they are good or bad, even if they have innuendo. Probably see me at least a bit contextually alpha and I’m confident I’m bringing them value.

    3. There is another girl which I kind of worry about having mild One-itis for. My plan here was trying to escalate up to a stage and then let myself be friend-zoned, which I now want to try with at least some of the foreigners.
    She self-isolated with me once, giving me a ride, and when saying goodbye I surprised her by hugging her. This was a few months ago. At some stage when we were talking about countries she said her boyfriend was of X nationality (didn’t know she had one until then; she never mentioned him again). A few weeks after the bf mention, I asked her for her contact and got it.

    A few days later used the contact to invite her to join me while I was doing some sport that we both do. She replied she was already away (she told me she was going somewhere, I just didn’t know the date she was going to leave). I actually was going to pass near that place a few days later with my wife, so I suggested meeting up so I could introduce them to each other, and she didn’t reply. Next time she saw me at the “hobby” location she asked me about it and apologized. I’m wondering if I should try a third time in person now and try to pull her to my place for some food and showing her some stuff we talked about, or maybe I’m getting ahead of my capabilities and should eject ASAP.

  76. I think the reason blue pillers are told to “just be themselves” is, no surprise, to benefit women. It’s no benefit to the men. Our society is structured around the idea that women acting on their hypergamy shall suffer no consequences as a result. Indoctrinating men to therefore be completely honest about who they are and their intentions means a woman takes no risk in choosing to mate with a particular man. What she sees is what she gets. However, he takes a huge risk because she assumes no such reciprocating obligation.

    I’ve come to think that in our society, there is no one left advocating for the sexual interests of men. If there was such advocacy, then men’s interests in paternity assurance would be entrenched in law. However, the opposite is the case, and a man can be forced to support children who are not his just because he put his name on a birth certificate, or because he treated like they were his kids before finding out they were not.

    The only ones left advocating for men’s sexual interests are red pillers, PUAs, and to a lesser extend, MRAs and perhaps MGTOWs. That those groups are universally reviled, with those terms used as a substitute for “misogynist” and “rape apologist” by blue pillers. This is very telling: there is no place left in our society where the sexual interests of men can even be expressed much less respected.

    I think red pill boils down to : “know thyself”, and “to thy own self be true.” In other words, figure out who you are, what you want, and make you priority number one. Our society has become so entrenched in subservience to women (to near religious fidelity), that just the thought of a man placing his needs first is sacrilege.

  77. @Sentient

    “So the time is ripe to bounce her, it’s just 8 PM, so pretty early. I cut the conversation off and ask her if she has had the local drink. She hasn’t, so I TAKE her by the hand and say well come with me we will get one. Hand then goes around waist as we walk out together… leaving chode standing there and with dozens of eyes – including last years 7 – watching the exit. This alone was worth it… LOL”

    Bahaha fucking epic FR bro! Ahhh that feeling when you are THE SHOW. Massive props. Sometimes not getting the notch doesnt matter when you do as well as you do. And i followed the link over to CH. Its crazy how everyone thinks all PUAs are scumbags. Like we KNOW you still could have banged her. It would have been difficult but it was possible. But your paternal side kicked in plus your drama detector and for that I commend you. Seriously.

    I am the same way, i want a girl to WANT to kiss me and put her hands all over me. Its not enough that she lets me fuck her, I want her to WANT TO BE FUCKED by me. That is when you understand seduction. Also LMAO at “Wizard game” great name for it. Reminds me of What About Bob with Bill Murray. …Baby steps to the car, baby steps to the hotel

  78. quixotic

    ” am the same way, i want a girl to WANT to kiss me and put her hands all over me. Its not enough that she lets me fuck her, I want her to WANT TO BE FUCKED by me. That is when you understand seduction…. ”

    Key point, always.

    Pussy, pussy, pussy. Meh, not they key experience.

    Concentrating on ” getting pussy ” is kind of like walking up to a McLaren and concentrating on the tires.

    It’s only a part of the bigger picture. The object of seduction is not just to have a woman ” allow ” access.

  79. @scribblerg

    You have come a long way man. Keep going. Believe in yourself. We believe in you.

    And i agree with @sentient. Nothing wrong with a little dumpster diving to shake off the dust. Go make some woman’s night. Make her feel beautiful. She will reward you a 1000 fold and make you feel like a king. Just dont wife her up lol. My buddy who is 30 and handsome is in a rut because his standards are too high. Its important to have standards, of course. But its more important to get some stank on your johnson sooner than later.

    @ Sentient great comments here today, your FR on dealing with other men made me smile. You have ice in your veins. And its possible for all of us to be this cool under fire, just keep plugging along and building experience references.

    It is always weird when a guy wants to buy you a drink (because we have been socially conditioned to think its weird) lol. Now I embrace it. I look at as a reward for spreading value and being a leader. Besides bringing guys like the drunken polack into a set can only make you look better in comparision. Lol assholes from Philly

  80. @Blaximus

    “Key point, always.
    Pussy, pussy, pussy. Meh, not they key experience.
    Concentrating on ” getting pussy ” is kind of like walking up to a McLaren and concentrating on the tires.”

    Exactly man. That is why any guy with game would read sentient’s FR and do a fist pump for sentient, proud of him instead of saying “ya ya but did you put in in?” and focus only on the P in V.

    Sex is def part of the awesome experience, but that moment when your eyes lock, the butterflies, the eye contact that gets deeper and deeper with more pauses, their scent, that moment when they let go and kiss you back like the plane is going down, when they switch from guarded to having the bambi eyes, that moment when its 3am and your in a parking lot making out and they say “I should be doing this” or “youre bad” or “your trouble” …all those parts of the dance…that is what keeps me coming back.

    T-rex dont want to be fed, he wants to hunt…

  81. Quixotic… Great comment at 4:31… Exatcle this that keeps the thrill in thrill of the hunt…

    And assholes from Philly… LoL when you grow up and live in NY you cant help but laught at Philly… Sorry philly guys!

  82. “I want a woman to love me for exactly who I am.”

    Something like that calls for something like this:

    “Without regard for how attractive you are? Which is largely controlled by things under your control?
    Have ever loved a woman (in the early days) without regard for how attractive she is?” (Couples celebrating their 50th don’t count.)

  83. Well boys from where I stand,understanding what makes women tick and using this understanding to get what you want isn’t cheating.This includes all manner of game.The real cheaters are the suckups the blue pill guys that don’t even understand what women really need and change up around the girls to to meet some bullshit ideals,just be yourself?what if yourself isn’t good enough? Better step it up.Get out there and people watch,study who real people are what they do and why they do it.
    My wife is a good one for showing me respect around the guys,some of the guys think she is beat down,some of them understand that she has good manners.God forbid anyone suggests to her that she is abused,she takes this as an insult to her looks.

    All is fair in love and war,but if a guy tells a man that he isn’t going about love right this is war,either way blue player to red player or vice versa.
    Now on the other hand if a man explains the nature of woman to another man this is or was fair and appreciated advice.Not like the old book”All I Know About Women” with the blank pages joke either,but the real deal TRM stuff.

    Good posture isn’t cheating,nor is pride in your beliefs,work,accomplishments,elevator shoes,lipstick on the collar,a hair style that works for you,clean finger nails,good mannerisms,the list goes on.Do what it takes to get the job done,short of selling out yourself and your maleness.

    Acting like a bitch is cheating,this type of cheating never wins!

  84. 100 billion neurons. 40 miles of nerves. 60,000 miles of blood vessels.

    Give or take.

    The possibilities are pretty much endless, given human life span.

    That shit blows my mind consistently.

  85. To the greater whole of Blue Pill conditioned men the Red Pill is foreign and an affront to that conditioning. In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man.

    — true. but they never get women respect. they secretly (or not so) desire a person who isn’t like their personal manginas/white knights. They are useful to them, but not in bed.

    Also, I personally don’t believe that RSD PUA game works. You might get some kisses from drunk girls, but that’s not my part of the ball.

    http://redmalehummingbird.wordpress.com/

  86. So thanks again to the guys giving me input last thread re: the day3 flake/daygaming.

    This is all important stuff, and I’m realizing through these experiences that knowing a lot about game dynamics doesn’t do too much to protect you from rationalizing them away in the moment when you haven’t been burned a few times yet.

    Like, backing up a few steps the overall dynamic I was striking – and how to fix it – are obvious. But my brain just started fixating on details and rationalizing how this case was different, etc.

    I’ll do my best to pull this chick around. There’s a good chance, she keeps re-engaging so there’s enough attraction for her to forgive a few small fuckups lol. If it doesn’t pan out that’s fine though, it’s already been a learning experience and a good barometer of progress.

    Frame is all in the details and I can’t write every detail, but wrt that the overall dynamic is we’re fighting each other like hell for the frame. She’s like a whopper bass, fighting the line, and I need poise, tenacity, and good judgement to land her.

    A person with a good frame just has (to stretch the analogy) a trawler net where, boom, she’s caught, no real fight.

    But I’m a hell of a lot further than I was even 6 months ago, where I was trying to catch fish with tissue paper instead of fishing line.

    But another thing – gaming this girl actually makes me MORE motivated to go out sarging. Because I know that if I can get more reference experiences in-field, I’ll start to see everything in better detail with this specific prospect as well.

    The biggest things aren’t even the sorts of things I’m doing or misinterpreting – it’s the incredible amount of possibilities in different circumstances that I’m not seeing. Like, I don’t have any reference experience for just telling a girl to show up at my house, diffusing ASD, and getting the bang – so I don’t try it with a girl I have even a touch of investment in. I need to see it working before it becomes practically useable.

  87. Americans love everything codified. It helps gather the herd.

    Blue pill beliefs can be as strong as any religious belief. I just pray that the FI doesn’t start advocating for men to strap on suicide vests and show up to blow up.

    I will only try to talk about RP with young guys that happen to ask for/are seeking guidance. I learned long ago not to advise most older men.

    Example from a couple of months ago:

    Subject: 58 year old overweight male. Poor health. Brain appears stuck in 1929.

    Subject currently orbiting 50 something year old broad that resembles David Lee Roth.

    Crimes: She was on a ladder one day, and she started to loose her balance. Jack Daniels will indeed do that to you. She yelled out for Subject to ” grab my ass!!!!”. Subject grabbed her by the waist and told her that he ” would never do such a thing because I am a gentleman “.

    Subject once ” rescued ” same woman from hotel where she awoke, naked, having no recollection of the days/nights events.

    And the topper: Subject had a leased car. Woman/David Lee Roth asked him to drive her to….wait for it….Canada ( !! ) for her High School Reunion. Jersey to Canada. Not too far, but damn far enough. Subject would run into leased mileage problems if he drove leased car to Canada.

    Y’all following me? Watch this shit….

    Subject buys new suv so that he no longer has to ” worry about mileage “.

    This man is as smitten with this…chick.. as any man I have ever seen smitten. It is almost sickening. Correction, it is very sickening. They are only friends. Friends he says. He drives her everywhere she wants to go. He does maintenance around her house, free of charge. He has pics of her all over his desk, next to another friend that looks like Eddie Van Halen during the cancer thing…

    ( fucking guy got Van Halen back together..)

    Has the chick as a damn screen saver.

    Subject has never even seen the pussy ( maybe that’s a good thing ), but has been sent pics of her in various bikini shots. He was overjoyed. We threatened him with an ass kicking if he continued showing us said pics.

    Now, with all of this guy’s faults, I genuinely like him because he is who he is, warts and all. There is no lying in him.

    But I learned my lesson with him during his 2nd failed marriage.

    He married some ex biker chick ( he has a motorcycle…a purple Honda/Harley wannabee. Don’t ask.

    I implored him not to marry again, and just date this woman ( with the giant eagle tat on across her entire back ) for a few years. But 6 months after meeting her, he popped the question. When I gave him opinion on how badly he’d fucked up, he just grinned at me like a fucking Cheshire Cat.

    6 months into the marriage, with his health benefits firmly in her grasp, this bitch preceeded to rebuild herself. Wrist surgery, knee surgery, shoulder surgery, lasik…. we started calling her Bride of Frankenstein.

    By the 2nd anniversary, it was all over. She gathered all of her shit ( clothes and a houseplant ) and drove her 1993 Civic to Arizona to live with her sister in a trailer. Subject pissed pants waiting for divorce rape, but the bike hag eventually signed papers sans drama.

    He loves the misery. That’s what ” women do ” he claims. He asks me ” you know how it is, right Blaximus?” and I’m like ” FUCK NO!!!!”.

    David Lee Roth now has a boyfriend/probable meth head. No job. No car. No license. no nothing. Boyfriend isn’t going on trip to Canada ( my bet is that parole won’t allow it ). David Lee says she has a surprise for subject in Canada. Subject speculates that surprise may be sexual in nature. I speculate that surprise may include an axe and a shallow grave.

    I keep my thoughts to myself now. I try not to even listen as he goes on and on and on about this skank.

    If I threw this guy a life preserver, he’s just toss it off and jump back in the water.

    They have to want to be saved.

  88. @ Blaximus

    STOP IT MAN.YYou got me rolling in my chair with that one.I could barely read it through the tears from laughing till i sounded like i had copd and my wife came to save me.
    To bad it’s true the truth is stranger than fiction,poor bastard.If she only knew where his other warts are he may have a chance.

  89. @ stuff

    It is funny. All of my coworkers laugh themselves silly at this guy. I feel badly for him though because he can do much, much better with the years he has left in life. It’s a waste.

    But the Brightside is that when he comes to work with a long gun, I get a 30 second headstart before he opens fire. And 30 seconds is enough.

    Muh Daddy didn’t raise no fool.

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