Children of Men

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In last week’s comment thread, we were linked to a study that purported cuckoldry is far rarer than previously suspected. While I and many others are skeptical of the methodology of the findings I think it’s far more telling about the state of the Feminine Imperative that such a “study” (really meta-study) would be so triumphantly emphasized in the femosphere, thus highlighting the latent purpose for such a study to begin with.

Culum Straun links it for us:

New research suggests that the percentage of men (unknowingly) raising children who aren’t their own is only around 1-2%, as opposed to the 10-30% figure previously accepted over decades.

Reasons are unclear – the first hypothesis was that birth control may have reduced the *pregnancy* rates of women but not the infidelity rate – but apparently the 1-2% figure holds steady going back centuries, so that can’t be it.

The study authors conclude that in all probability the benefits of “superior genes” are outweighed by the risks of being caught and the social stigma etc.

I’d be really interested in seeing what you guys think – is this information that needs to be used to revise our view of the world around us, or is there some flaw in the reasoning/logic leading to 1-2%? The most obvious thing I can see is that we don’t know the methodologies of the underlying studies which were combined to find the meta survey..

I found it interesting that the first reflexive from the femosphere was to wave this in the air as if it were some kind of vindication or a refutation of Hypergamy. “See guys? We don’t actually lie about paternity; if we marry and fuck you we statistically have your kids.”

It’s important to remember that the definition they are exploring here is one where men are “unknowingly” raising the progeny of another man. From the article:

This challenges evolutionary psychologists who have suggested that human women “routinely ‘shop around’ for good genes by engaging in extra-pair copulation to obtain genetic benefits.”

They conveniently ignore the genomic evidence that shows roughly 80% of women bred with 20% of men in our evolutionary past (including Neanderthals), but the basis of the study is flawed because they ask the wrong question. Whether or not the women in our evolutionary past were pair-bonded in whatever social arrangement that passed for institutional monogamy at the time is functionally irrelevant to the latent purpose of cuckoldry.

It does, however, expose the mental point of origin of author . If she had cited the source for her quote I’d be less skeptical because no evo-psych researcher worth their salt would presume that women exclusively seek better genetic stock while within a pair-bonded relationship. It’s an indictment of the openness with which women embrace Hypergamy that they’d still need a janitor to sweep its ugliness back under the rug occasionally.

For the greater part of evo-psych research, the emphasis of study has centered on biological and evolutionary motivators (Estrus) that prompt women to Hypergamous predispositions and the end-purpose implied in women fulfilling their sexual strategy.

The Ends of Cuckoldry

The term “cuckoldry” isn’t strictly confined to duplicitous women duping husbands/boyfriends into believing the kid is theirs when it’s some other guy’s. Consider the marked increase in single motherhood since the Sexual Revolution; the statistic for abortion, the declining marriage rate and the fact that now, in westernized society, and the majority of births (close to 60%) are born to unwed mothers.

Now consider the social imperatives and zeitgeist of the past 70 years that promote women’s Hypergamous choices to the point that every woman’s sexual strategy and breeding choices are legislatively mandated to be supported. Men are mandated to support women’s breeding imperatives both directly and indirectly. Is that not the end purpose of cuckoldry?

Cuckoldry is implicative of far more than this woman’s narrow definition. And it’s narrow because women like Newitz are selling a salve to misdirect men in a larger society from considering that their cuckolding is really by and of their own volition. This is because men have been conditioned over the course of successive generations to think they are some kind of hero for ‘saving’ a woman from her own breeding decisions by directly or indirectly forgiving indiscretions and supporting and raising a child he didn’t father.

Just because a man knows the child isn’t his own doesn’t make it any less cuckoldry.

The question that needs to be asked, and is conveniently avoided in the article, is “what is the latent, evolutionarily motivated purpose of cuckoldry that would best serve women’s dualistic sexual strategy?” This is the uncomfortable question those nefarious evo-psych researchers really ask.

In the past, duplicitous, concealed, cuckoldry was a very risky prospect from a social perspective. It could mean family/tribal ostracism or even being stoned to death. So the larger, most deductively efficient way to achieve the same Hypergamous ends of cuckoldry is to reengineer a society where men are either ignorant of their own role in that cuckoldry or provided social rewards for their knowing participation in a socially acceptable form of cuckoldry. The latter is where we’ve progressed since the Sexual Revolution.

The ends remain the same, but it is cuckoldry by a different name. When we can restructure a social order that accepts and excuses both proactive and retroactive cuckoldry before the fact, we normalize it and defuse the consequences for women, while holding men accountable for its consequences or their unwillingness to participate in it. And even when a woman aborts a child – the ultimate confirmation of Hypergamous disapproval – that social order pre-approves her choice, pre-approves holding her unaccountable for it and concurrently makes the men who would find fault in it villains for judging her pre-approved act.

Sons of Cuckolds

Reader Petherton linked me to a fascinating article which not only illustrates that Hypergamy was an issue for the Greatest Generation, but also details the wages of ‘secret’ cuckoldry. Apparently the Archbishop of Canterbury has discovered he is the illegitimate son of Sir Winston Churchill’s last private secretary after taking a DNA test to prove his paternity.

Petherton:

This is a perfect example of women’s hypergamous nature. She rides the cock carousel and gets impregnated by an Alpha who’s already taken. She quickly marries a Beta who is hovering in the background and cuckolds him. He never unplugs, she loses respect for him (if there ever was any in the 1st place) and he drinks himself to an early death.

Eventually the truth comes out. Instead of taking responsibility for her actions, she paints herself as a victim. The pregnancy is blamed on alcohol, and she successfully generates pity from everyone. In fact she generates admiration from everyone for her brave and successful fight against alcoholism, and for putting up with an alcoholic husband.

No one anywhere suggests the truth: that she had a strategy (whether conscious or subconscious) to find the best genes for her offspring, while fooling another man into providing for that offspring. When she gets busted, she successfully paints herself as the victim. You couldn’t make it up!

Needless to say, I found this article and the blatantly revealed cuckoldry oddly karmic in its timing coinciding with the “cuckoldry” study’s release. However, we should now consider the Arch Bishop’s response to his mother’s proveable cuckoldry of his “father”.

“His deepest identity isn’t about which man was his father, but who his heavenly Father is.”

This is exactly the diplomatic response I’d expect from men (albeit a religious one in this instance) steeped in a feminine-primary social order and conditioned from birth to affirm his Blue Pill existence. While egalitarianism is ostensibly about baseline equalism and “it’s what’s on the inside that counts”, on the outside, there is no better social mandate that serves the evolutionary ends of Hypergamy. The Arch Bishop’s response to his mother’s cuckoldry is a textbook example of how the Feminine Imperative conditions men to excuse, affirm and perpetuate its ends.

He said the right thing.

From Schedules of Mating:

Cheating
For this dynamic, and the practicality of enjoying the best of both genetic worlds, women find it necessary to ‘cheat’. This cheating can be done proactively or reactively.

In the reactive model, a woman who has already paired with her long term partner choice, engages in a extramarital or extra-pairing, sexual intercourse with a short term partner (i.e. the cheating wife or girlfriend). That’s not to say this short term opportunity cannot develop into a 2nd, long term mate, but the action of infidelity itself is a method for securing better genetic stock than the committed male provider is (or was) capable of supplying.

Proactive cheating is the single Mommy dilema. This form of ‘cheating’ relies on the woman breeding with a Good Genes male, bearing his children and then abandoning him, or having him abandon her, (again through invented social conventions) in order to find a Good Dad male to provide for her and the children of her Good Genes partner to ensure their security.

I want to stress again that (most) women do not have some consciously constructed and recognized master plan to enact this cycle and deliberately trap men into it. Rather, the motivations for this behavior and the accompanying social rationales invented to justify it are an unconscious process. For the most part, women are unaware of this dynamic, but are nonetheless subject to its influence. For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she’s able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring’s survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.

The Cuckold
On some level of consciousness, men innately sense something is wrong with this situation, though they may not be able to place why they feel it or misunderstand it in the confusion of women’s justifications for it. Or, they become frustrated by the social pressures to ‘do the right thing’, are shamed into martyrdom/savior-hood and committed to a feigned responsibility to these conventions. Nevertheless, some see it well enough to steer clear of single mothers, either by prior experience or observing other male cuckolds saddled with the responsibility of raising and providing for – no matter how involved or uninvolved – another man’s successful reproduction efforts with this woman.

Men often fall into the role of the proactive or reactive Cuckold. He will never enjoy the same benefits as his mates short term partner(s) to the same degree, in the way of sexual desire or immediacy of it, while at the same time enduring the social pressures of having to provide for this Good Genes father’s progeny. It could be argued that he may contribute minimally to their welfare, but on some level, whether emotional, physical, financial or educational he will contribute some effort for another man’s genetic stock in exchange for a limited form of sexuality/intimacy from the mother. To some degree, (even if only by his presence) he is sharing the parental investment that should be borne by the short term partner. If nothing else, he contributes the time and effort to her he could be better invested in finding a sexual partner with which he could pursue his own genetic imperative by his own methodology.

However, needless to say, there is no shortage of men sexually deprived enough to ‘see past’ the long term disadvantages, and not only rewarding, but reinforcing a single mother’s bad decisions (bad from his own interest’s POV) with regard to her breeding selections and schedules in exchange for short term sexual gratification. Furthermore, by reinforcing her behavior thusly, he reinforces the social convention for both men and women. It’s important to bear in mind that in this age women are ultimately, soley responsible for the men they choose to mate with (baring rape of course) AND giving birth to their children. Men do bear responsibility for their actions no doubt, but it is ultimately the decision of the female and her judgement that decides her and her children’s fate

Who’s the Daddy?

Finally, we complete the cuckoldry trifecta with the Spectator article, Who’s the Daddy. Again, serendipitously, the rationale of this article exposes (perhaps obliviously) the social underpinnings of the Feminine Imperative’s motives in getting men to accept women’s Hypergamous choices as the preeminent social norm.

Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter? You can feel quite as much tenderness for a child you mistakenly think to be yours as for one who is.

[…]Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

If the definition of cuckoldry ought to be confined to deceptive duplicity, as AnnaleeNewitz suggests in her article, why then should we need a push to legally mandate men to being accountable fathers by default when they proveably are not?

paternity

Ironically, the very same DNA swab test that betrayed the Arch Bishop’s mother’s cuckoldry is the test  proposes we make illegal or irrelevant in a court of law. And unironically, the Arch Bishop parrots back the mantra of the Feminine Imperative to excuse his own mother’s birth-fraud.

But in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice. I’m not sure that many people are much happier for it.

Novaseeker had an excellent comment on this:

From the time paternity tests became more available and reliable, and men started using them to avoid paternity claims, the same argument has been made: it’s bad for the kids. Who cares if he isn’t the bio-dad, fatherhood isn’t about biology, it’s about a parental relationship. We should trust women who determine who the father is, so that she can choose the best man she thinks to be the father, etc., etc. The same arguments have been made for some time. In fact, medical ethicists also make the same arguments, to a large degree, in support of not disclosing non-paternity when it comes up in tests that were not specifically undergone to determine paternity — in other words, if your kid is getting tested for inherited disease, and the hospital finds out that it isn’t your bio kid, they don’t tell you that, for all the reasons stated in the article.

This really is a visceral issue for women. Paternity tests strike at something fundamental in women, even if the actual cuckolding rate remains low: the possibility to cuck, if needed. It’s a visceral issue for women, at a very deep and basic hindbrain level, for fairly clear reasons. If paternity tests were ever to become standard/mandatory at birth, the cucking strategy, even if it is a rather uncommon one, would become completely unavailable, and almost every single woman finds that to be a problem based on her hindbrain (and regardless of how her forebrain will formulate that deep, basic discomfort).

I’ve stated it in the past, but as the Feminine Imperative becomes more comfortable with Open Hypergamy and Open Cuckoldry more men will find its machinations unignorable. Thus, as increasingly more men refuse to participate in the game of their gender’s debasement the imperative must pursue legal mandates and fluid social restructuring to force men to comply with it.

Novaseeker again:

An amazing thing is how easy it is for women to dismiss the significance of biological fatherhood. It’s almost as if it simply doesn’t matter to them.

If that’s not an obvious flag of the FI, and the attendant idea that one sex’s sexual strategy must always impinge on the other sex’s sexual strategy, I don’t know what is. It places zero, zilch, nada importance on the male interest in having genetic progeny — again, it’s as if that interest simply doesn’t exist, and is illegitimate to even take into consideration.

There was a time when I had difficulty explaining the difference between men’s idealistic concept of love and women’s opportunistic concept of love. I’ve recently come to see that the best explanations and contrasts come from the openly embraced examples set by women that can’t be ignored.

There is no better example of women’s opportunistic love, indeed, women’s innate solipsistic nature, than the phrase “it shouldn’t matter to the man who the biological father of the child really is – he just needs to accept it and support it.”

And there is no greater evidence of the Feminine Imperative’s purpose than a society structured to ensure that men and women believe this, as well as perpetuate it.

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Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

@Rollo – “I wonder why that is.” It is because actions speak louder than words. Words do not make changes, actions do. There is nothing more effective I can do here than what I am doing after each post you generate because each post is a repeat of previous revelations. Nothing is progressing with you. Although the angles change somewhat and context of experience varies, you still repeat the same fundamental expressions you discovered or realized years ago. Your experience is cyclical based on what you repeatedly express. A long while back after I pissed you off, you wrote that… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Last comment about/toward Softek. Caught a phrase you put in about one of your arguments with her about how it “wasn’t fair that she….” whatever else you said with it.
You’ll find, maybe not immediately but in time, it will be a great day for you when you stop looking at things as what’s fair with this girl (and probably mostly anybody, especially females in your life) and look at things as what’s right for you.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Anon Reader – My career has sentenced to me working with Ivy League MBA/Finance types for most of my career. Finance in the ’80s and ’90s and tech the whole way till today. The same vacuous climbing, semi-smart folks who ran Wall Street invaded technology and fucked it all up. Used to be an honest business… When I initially began working with such folks I was always impressed, waiting for gems of brilliance to fall out of their mouths. But in fact, that rarely happened. Rather, they were obsessed with their careers and networks but were often just okay to… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@George Meeks – Go suck a bag of dicks, you presumptuous, pseudo-intellectual ponce. What’s telling, fucko, is your behavior, not Rollo’s. You cannot let go of drafting on his platform and ideas. I challenged you a while back to stand up on your own two feet and start your own blog and to create a following for your ideas, yet you do nothing of the sort. Instead you emit your breezy word-salads of horseshit as though they are supposed to be received as deep wisdom when they are nothing of the sort. Get this. You are a fucking joke, Georgey.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Thomas Dewey . . . He in many ways is the single largest cause of the creep of leftist, Progressive and Marxist values in our educational system.”

Funded largely by Andrew Carnegie. Those libraries (which I personally am grateful for) were not provided out of altruism.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Great post Scribblerg… concisely said…

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@KFG – Don’t confuse Thomas Dewey with Melvil Dewey who invented the Dewey decimal system used to catalog books in libraries. And public libraries are not funded by public education funding nor are they run by educational systems or teacher’s unions. Not a coincidence that Thomas Dewey was the first member of the American Federation of Teachers, the first national teachers union either. He saw unions as a democratizing institution in terms of how organizations are run. If I could go back in time and have a choice between shooting Hitler or Thomas Dewey, I’d really have to think about… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

At first I thought maybe my blood sugar was low (it’s not because I just checked it and it is 111 mg/dl), then maybe I don’t recall the NBTM narrative because I pretty much always scrolled by his drivel. So I have no fucking idea what Not Born This Morning @5:38 pm is getting at. Nothing is progressing with you. However, the repetitive nature of this blog and your appreciation of romatanic idealization within an alpha frame as you described in detail in Preventative Medicine indicates that you are stuck. You have reached a plateau. I pretty much find myself… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Don’t confuse Thomas Dewey with Melvil Dewey. . .”

I’m not doing anything of the kind.

“And public libraries are not funded by public education funding nor are they run by educational systems or teacher’s unions.”

Do not confuse how public libraries and public education are funded now with how they were initially funded.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“The reason Progressivism is so attractive to them is that it is based on the rule of the intelligentsia, that the people at the top are actually more enlightened and should make the decisions for the rest of us….” I’m not gonna debate politics with ya Scribb. I have far more to learn than to teach there. But just as an interesting observation – the upper and upper middle classes tend to be highly eusocial and cooperative (at least openly) in order to make all their systems work well. Stability is the name of the game in wealth. So I… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Forge – Yikes, i hope i’m not that scary to engage on this subject. I’ll respond with data. If you look at Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart and the amazing job he did pulling together so much valid, reliable data on social outcomes and class what you see is that until about 50 years ago, the working class wasn’t that much different from the upper classes and middle class. Criminality was higher but really only marginally. There were similar levels of civic engagement, church attendance, work, family formation/marriage etc. It all starts diverging wildly over the past 50 years and… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@SJF I don’t necessarily agree with NBTM, but I think it’s important to engage at the level of arguments generally. When a crowd/movement has a dissenting voice, you can discern a lot about that movement by its reaction. If it’s spam or identically-thought-out objections that have been deflected a dozen times that’s one thing. NBTM tends to have a similar point each post, but he doesn’t fully repeat himself. If we can’t deal with his objections we aren’t strong as a community. Amused mastery happens when you have mastery over the thoughts or attitudes you’re criticizing. And a community that… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“Yikes, i hope i’m not that scary to engage on this subject.” Lol. Depends on how much expecting phrases like “Get this. You’re a moron. Have you read hundreds of books on this subject? Do you even know how our society has been impacted by the Gramcian counter-hegemony?” affects you 😉 Never fear, hasn’t driven me off for a good while. I hope Sun releases the roundtable soon, you’ve not been on any of the recorded ones yet and hearing how you talk in outrageous terms about things while remaining friendly and passionate really reframes your writing style. My point… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Forge – And I think sometimes you just need to tell an asshole when to shut the fuck up. It’s way past time for NBTM to do just that. I don’t engage in argument with people unwilling to be bound by their own reasoning or who don’t thoughtfully respond to counter arguments. He’s been responded to substantively on many occasions, his weak polemic and analysis torn to shreds. He doesn’t learn, and now he’s just being a dick.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

SJF
At first I thought maybe my blood sugar was low (it’s not because I just checked it and it is 111 mg/dl)

Is that normal for you? Considering metformin?

Genomeguy
Genomeguy
6 years ago

“They conveniently ignore the genomic evidence that shows roughly 80% of women bred with 20% of men in our evolutionary past”

Could you link any scientific articles attesting as much? Not trying to catch you out…would really like to read to original sources by myself, as I have a strong interest in genomic studies. Are these studies based on Y- and X-chromosome markers?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Scribb

I don’t disagree. But I’m patient to a fault. It’s a setup for a downfall.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Genomeguy

Your name is Lordgenome.

‘Noooo, it’s….’

Shut up.

Lordgenome,

Think the actual numbers are 80/40 or so. They vary depending on measurement parameters and populations. 80/20 could be a typo/misremembrance, or a specific time and place.

A popular article that covers a few of the studies in this field:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

I’d pull original sources for you if I wasn’t working off a tiny phone here, sorry.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Softek Busy this week but dropping in to say you will lol when you realize how common everything you’re feeling is. The whole “we’re both fucked up so we should be together” thing is such a classic trope. Everyone loves that shit. Why do you think Fight Club ends with Jack & Marla holding hands as the buildings crumble? Why do you think girls are going to be masturbating over Joker & Harley in the new Suicide Squad movie? Why do you think Pulp Fiction opens with two fucked up robbers sticking up the diner? Everyone thinks that shit is… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@YaReally It’s been 13 months since I broke all contact with the crazy exgf. Only by getting away was I able to clearly see how fucked up she is. It’s hard to pull away because these girls will use every tool in their arsenal to keep you hooked while they plan their exit. Then blame YOU for making THEM leave/cheat/disappear/ etc. First thing you have to do is go dark…and commit to it. The BPD girl will always try to provoke you: being nasty, being nice, parading other dudes in front of me …she threw it all at me in… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
6 years ago

Scribblerg @ 6.09

Great comment.

Recently got into an argument with an Economist with a Masters as to why my smoking was none of his business but apparently economic externalities made it his business. Sadly I wasn’t as eloquent as your comment.

Ludiam0ndz
Ludiam0ndz
6 years ago
kfg
kfg
6 years ago

: “. . . these girls will use every tool in their arsenal to keep you hooked while they plan their exit. Then blame YOU for making THEM leave/cheat/disappear/ etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443722/University-professor-s-daughter-hanged-boyfriend-dumped-text-message-saying-d-end-relationship-d-spent-2-000-21st-birthday.html

stuffinbox
6 years ago

Children’s story ALERT @NBTM @All who consider his drivel @Rollo apologies Picture if you will a large feed lot full of steers,old worn out bulls and used up cows,all standing in their own shit while eating gmo corn and being inoculated while waiting to be slaughtered. Outside the fence there appears to be a desert,further out there is green grass and clear water with fertile cows and a few bulls frolicking in the sunshine. There is a hole in the fence that looks like TRP,any steers that pass through the hole get their nuts back,but most don’t see the hole… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Do NOT listen to anything she says about being on birth control or having a “tilted uterus so the doctor says I CAN’T get pregant” (they ALL think that)”

Crazy… Mine said shit like that too. Damn, wish I had this place back then. Apparently chicks threatening suicide to get attention is a fairly common thing… Who knew?

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Softek YaReally: “The whole “we’re both fucked up so we should be together” thing is such a classic trope. Everyone loves that shit. The LAST thing you would do with someone you care about who you know is fucked up, is guilt, shame, gaslight, mentally fuck with, use and mentally abuse them.” It is common for someone from a bad childhood to not push forward into being normal without the drama. For reasons like identity–you perceive yourself not as an individual with a past, but totally defined by the past. Or Routine–the familiar, even when it is unproductive or ugly… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@ Scribblerg

Did you see the shitter on that critter? Don’t do it man! It’s just a poke in the hairy end of a belly after all.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Anonymous Reader SJF At first I thought maybe my blood sugar was low (it’s not because I just checked it and it is 111 mg/dl) “Is that normal for you? Considering metformin?” Normal is 80 to 120 mg/dl with the blood glucose level. My comment was an inside diabetic joke in that I still have no idea what NBTM’s frame is or what he is commenting for. When the blood sugar gets below 60, the brain can’t function and thoughts don’t register–one is confused down there. The skill is in keeping it between 80 and 120 manually with insulin. I… Read more »

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

HopelesslyHypergamic is right, the fatties and older women still get action. When they used to have to go through social circles to meet men, it was harder for them and they got shamed/embarrassed into looking better and not spending so much time on the market. With more people meeting in bars and the net, that’s changed and it favors women. I speak as a 50 year old divorced guy with entry level game. There are still 40+ women out there you have to game, that I pass on because of the way they act. They are still getting laid at… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“There are still 40+ women out there you have to game . . . They are still getting laid at some point.”

Certainly. That point is not in dispute, so to raise it as the point of dispute is to miss the point.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PI55OCfFEU&nohtml5=False

“Hang in there and hold on, the rollercoaster ride is probably gonna get bumpy but there’s always an end to it.”

Yes there is ALWAYS an end…

Do yourself a favor Softek… just don’t get on it…

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@YaReally Do NOT listen to anything she says about being on birth control or having a “tilted uterus so the doctor says I CAN’T get pregant” (they ALL think that) or ANYTHING. This is exactly the shit my buddy stuck with his Cluster-B(itch) and two kids was told by her. Raw dogged her for a while and then when he finally got clear of her he kept going back for bootie calls despite my warning him “Dude, she’s a psycho. Get he fuck clear before it’s too late.” Sure enough the moment he’d reduced it to bootie calls after years… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

Evo-bio culture is destiny report of the day:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/science/to-have-to-hold-to-avoid-stds-science-tackles-evolution-of-monogamy/article29615296/

Romantics be warned: The towering edifice of marriage, with its emphasis on having, holding and forsaking all others, may be nothing more than a defence against germs. By forcing monogamy on each other, our agrarian ancestors were collectively less likely to succumb to the ravages of sexually transmitted diseases.

Oh and @softek, GTFO now!

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“There have been a couple of announcements of possible cures for Type I coming soon-ish. Keep your ears open for it. Lol. I won’t be the first in line to sign up. I’m fine as it is. I adapted pretty quickly. The initial “cures” are going to be worse than the disease. I like to remind myself that 24 years ago I went through the dreaded Kubler-Ross stages of grief in like six hours one afternoon the day of my first checked blood sugar. The next day I was at 100% Acceptance (due to my profession at the time). And… Read more »

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago

RP MENTORS: “The Wall exists blah blah blah, SMV disparity exists like this blah blah blah SMV decreases for women in this way blah blah blah Myriad examples of how fat, ugly or old women act or react to men Myriad examples of how men act or react to these women Intersexual dynamics are so predictable that ‘if then’ statements can work to decode it all. We’ve figured it all out. We’re sharing our tools. This is praxology, not theory crafting and can pretty much be counted on” RESPECTFUL STUDENT: “But hasn’t society changed so much with tnder and the… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Hopeless

Everyone dismisses you because you’re stating shit that’s not up for debate as though it were a revelation that we’ve missed. You continue to contribute absolutely nothing.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/461/903/3a9.png

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“It isn’t open for debate.”

This paraphrase is dissembling.

“We don’t need women trying to help . . .”

Rest assured that you are wrong again. You are a help.

“-leaves-”

What, again? Don’t tell me, let me guess; you intend to leave after your next comment as well.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“You continue to contribute absolutely nothing.”

What she contributes is the example of how she turned this:

“That point is not in dispute.”

Into this:

“It isn’t open for debate.”

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Thought that was somebody only coming back with a different name.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Thought that was somebody only coming back with a different name.”

In the absence of evidence to the contrary that is my working hypothesis. It seems more likely than not.

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago

Yes, that was my first comment here. I’ve never used another name. I came after figuring out how deeply responsible for my own and many others’ ruination I was. I was actually seeking advice much like I had seen broken men come and do after a woman like me had ruined them. I learned this is not the place for that (though I did get some good advice / perspective) and I was detracting from the community’s value by trying to actively participate. Now I mostly just read and learn and try to figure out what to do about the… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient @Softek ““Hang in there and hold on, the rollercoaster ride is probably gonna get bumpy but there’s always an end to it.”” lol re-reading that it could sound like I’m telling him to weather the storm and make it work with the girl. Just want to calrify that I’m (obviously) not lol I mean hold on through the rollercoaster of dumping her crazy ass ’cause there’s a good chance she won’t LET you dump her easily. @Sun Wukong @Andy ““Do NOT listen to anything she says about being on birth control or having a “tilted uterus so the doctor… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Softek
Cluster-B/BPDs:

http://gettinbetter.com/blackmail.html

Page looks like a shitty 90s website but skimming the info there it looks solid. You’ll recognize a TON of behaviors being described.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

“Every once in a while I forget my own inherent gender-based need to draw attention…

That’s it.
Looked for a boom goes the dynamite gif, but didn’t see any.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

By the way, somebody photoshopped Indian Larry’s body on to Lindsey Lohan in that picture.

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“feminists and puas are unlikely allies” -james marshall (aussie pua) james thinks that women taking control of their reproductive rights (birth control pill) was a great thing. he also thinks the civil rights movement was a great thing. conclusion: james is a forced redistribution statist and wants his choice of lifestyle subsidized by productive taxpaying men forced to submit by the government’s monopoly on violence. james is happy to have the consequences of peoples’ actions removed and to have reality replaced by a nanny state under the guise of equality. “feminists and puas are unlikely allies” think about that every… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Re: Hopeless – Ah yes, the 5 times married woman – by age 37 – hectoring us about what exactly? That we don’t discuss how Tinder and FB are changing the sexual market and how mating behavior is adaptive to these conditions? Really? Or that men have a wider range of SMV for acceptable partners? Lol. @HoplessCuntFromHell – I call you this out of respect for your first 4 husbands…Behavior is adaptive, sure, but the bio/neuro-signals take a long time to change. The baseline appetites and sexual drives don’t change. What is agonizing to you is that we don’t see… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Fleezer

“how about “social justice warriors and puas are unlikely allies”?”

we’ve gone beyond the left, feminism and even the right in the growing war… it’s now Red Pill vs Blue Pill. That’s it. The only test is how red a Red Piller is…

scray
scray
6 years ago

@hopeless “Any hag can still get a high SMV man… and a high SMV woman has to do literally *nothing* to keep a ton of orbiters…”” no they can’t ‘get’ a high SMV man except maybe for an occasional pump and dump. ‘that guy has a six-pack but is with Fat-Frannie’ is not really high value man-with-low-value woman couple. if the guy were truly high value or higher value than Fran, he would have many options among women at or above Fran’s SMV level and wouldn’t need to offer her commitment of any kind. a high SMV woman doesn’t have… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

*but a high SMV woman has to do SOMETHING to keep promises of commitment on the table. to a total loser chump, ya she just has to ‘let him’ spend time with her in any capacity, but usually, some sort of sexual favor is exchanged (for a guy in the bottom 40% maybe it’s just ‘quality time’ but to a guy who is > 50% < 90%….it's sex)

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

There is no better example of women’s opportunistic love, indeed, women’s innate solipsistic nature, than the phrase “it shouldn’t matter to the man who the biological father of the child really is – he just needs to accept it and support it.” . In History Channel’s “Vikings”, season 1, episode 7 (“A King’s Ransom”, 4/13/2013), there is a scene where a man comes to the hall for judgment of his wife—she’s given birth and the man claims the child is not his but the seed of a passer-by. The wife is asked directly whose child it is and directly answers… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-mhcGkcgH8/TqGMQACdmcI/AAAAAAAANek/i69SyTC_A0c/s400/gene-simmons.jpg

High SMV women are still competing with each other for a high SMV man…

In other words… the man is always on top… 😉

HowlingManTodd
HowlingManTodd
6 years ago

@scray

http://youtu.be/J40tSZpzBM0

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

http://www.rantsports.com/wp-content/slideshow/2013/08/15-reasons-johnny-manziel-is-having-more-fun-than-you/medium/JM-Busted-Coverage1.jpg

comment image

Really, you can spend most of the day just with pics of Gronk or Johnny and women chasing them…

When have you seen a credible photo IRL of a bunch of high SMV guys doing the same to one woman?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Rollo – Indeed. I find it hard to imagine being married twice, no less five times. I had chances to marry again but aside from my fear of being fucked over by another woman, I was also wary of what I was bringing to the table. Subjecting more kids to a broken family? The effects on my extended family? I wanted to be damn sure I had my shit sorted out and it forced a lot of introspection and therapy on me, for my own purposes. It wasn’t until close to 10 years later that I felt I was in… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Open Hypergamy – Part VII

comment image

Nice couple… and yet???

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/09/cops-middle-school-teacher-traumatized-14-year-old-male-student-with-naked-selfies/

A theory over at Le Chateau is that these teachers are driven to sexing their kids not out of a search for alpha seed, but rather in response to relentless competition from higher SMV HS hotties.

Thoughts here?

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Imagine the level of solipsism involved in marrying 5 times before you are 37”

Not defending her, but girls are subjected to the same Disney happily ever after LTR societal programming that we are. If you really believe in it chances are when things get boring you probably figure you’re with the wrong person. It’s easier to rationalize that way at least.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Andy – Uhh, if you really believe in marriage and what it represents in our society and culture, you would never, ever do so 5 times. You would stop yourself after 2-3 as a service to humanity. She should be put to sleep like a rabid animal.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Hopeless – But seriously what kind of bod are you rocking? You must be decent looking enough to wrangle that many men into marriage. Post a neck-down selfie of yourself here so we can get the picture of what we are dealing with.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Hopeless after any one of her divorces.
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv170/frogger207/hamster.gif

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Forge

That’s why desire, and frame, and control, can’t be negotiated.

Even when a girl is sick and exhausted, if there’s enough desire, she will still wanna fuck. [shakin’ mah haid] Wudnabelievedit

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Sentient

High SMV women are still competing with each other for a high SMV man…

But when is it more about their competition as opposed to the man?

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“You would stop yourself after 2-3 as a service to humanity. ”

Yeah, 5 is extreme. lol. It shouldn’t be funny, but I keep laughing.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Scribbleberg says:

>At any rate, I have nothing but loathing for a woman who changes husbands like most people change shoes. You are a disgusting example of a woman and human being. You should be branded on your forehead with a warning to all men to avoid you like they would cholera.

>Move along now, we find you irrelevant, annoying and loathesome.

I think they are starting to miss me. Say what you may…I *did* add a touch of class to this place…while concurrently raising the level of civil discourse by leaps & bounds…

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

Rollo I have got a question for you…if you have time I should need short advice. I have read all your columns, I am deep in this red pill stuff and for now my tactic moves with wife, misstres and all women had give me some advantage. But now I am on first strategic crosroad….For the first time in my life my wife have salary which is about to 5% over all my income. When I say income I mean salary and bonus pays and all many income from some rents etc…etc…I am man in uniforme and in relative good… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Must be “Tingle Wednesday”…

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

I am ready for advice from members of blog forum…

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Must be “Tingle Wednesday”…

I would not know about that…though I *do* know that *Tuesday* is Soylent Green Day…

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

She had jump from 30 % under my income to 5% over my income. In my blue pill days I sholud be happy….but now…ufff

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

I wrote:

>I would not know about that…though I *do* know that *Tuesday* is Soylent Green Day…

You know if you look it from the Latin & esoteric angle…the ’73 film actually translates to “I am lending you the truth”.

You can’t make this sh*t up…

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Karen – Tingles for you in your naughty place when you hear a man tell a woman off properly.

Dutchman
Dutchman
6 years ago

@cattaro

Are you creating dread? You could start by teasing her about how now she will have to pay you alimony when you leave her for a 21 year old.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

@Karen – Tingles for you in your naughty place when you hear a man tell a woman off properly.

What constitutes “naughty” is rife with subjectivity…

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

I am humbled to grow here…
http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01E61AYRM

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

@Karen – Tingles for you in your naughty place when you hear a man tell a woman off properly.

Though, in fairness, Wertmuller’s “Swept Away” (’74 version…not the Madonna abomination) is one of my three favorite films of all time…

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

How to react now? Before month or two I have some hypergamy reaction when she had some extra bonus on job and promise for larger salary. I was a clasic observer of this social and biological reaction, I was like some crazy doctor who know every fucken reaction….like she was ill from fiver…..I was on my place but now….what to espect next….For her I was always some cold man without emotion, but inside I am burning now….this red pill knowledge dont give me any peace…Sory for this english version…

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I *do* know that *Tuesday* is Soylent Green Day…”

I’ve got strawberry jam. You’ll have to be a very good girl to taste a spoonful, a spoonful. All the wimins fight about my spoonful.

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

I had made Dred till now….wery good….But now I am in situation like a player from some 3. class football team who jump on Real Madrid team and stadion full of some 100 000 people. In situation to play my game on the edge of knife….This knowledge frozen my moves…..

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

KFC writes:

>I’ve got strawberry jam.

Such brutal masculine sexuality couched in such innocent euphemism…those with a surreptitious bent seem to congregate here…

Dutchman
Dutchman
6 years ago

@cattaro

How to react? Don’t react. Be non-reactive. Who gives a fuck about her silly career in the silly modern fem-centric modern world. You are more than the numerical figure of your income, are you not? Did you make anywhere near what you make now when this chick married you? Did she care then?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Cattaro, that shit will only matter if you were leaning heavily on BB game to start with. Why are you valuable as a person? Cause money? Nah, just cause you’re awesome. And now she’s bringing you more money? More awesome! Have her buy you nicer dinners. Your MPO shouldn’t be based on external crap like that. It’s still your frame, your life that she’s allowed to enter into, your shots to call. Think about how you can lead without being a breadwinner. There are a hell of a lot of ways. Impressing a chick with a higher income is only… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“….couched in such innocent euphemism…”

It’s the only way to fly with these birds these days. Talk about some benign bullshit while your hands do the talking. Their voices will say any damn thing, but their hips don’t lie.

“….those with a surreptitious bent….”

And here’s the coup de grace. Surreptitious? So that’s what the kids are calling it these days.

My ‘surreptitious’ is only bent in the ways that count.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The Forger says:

>It’s the only way to fly with these birds these days.

You could try the direst method…though that might lead to a three month booking at the local penitentiary…

I think once The Gynocracy is formally ensconced things will be much better for males…life will be simpler…choices will be limited to “may I speak”…or “how can I serve you ma’am”…and all the innumerable difficult choices you now face will be a thing of the past…

*Bitchy Smirk*

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“…those with a surreptitious bent . . .”

Today is cleaning my stone cell day. Regular practice resumes tomorrow.

Enlighten up! Go fuck yourself.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago
Karen
Karen
6 years ago

I have long persuasively argued that males are verbally challenged…thus their pervasive need to convey their ranging emotions is far better served by some juvenile “visual aid” than the contemporary vernacular…

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . once The Gynocracy is formally ensconced . . .”

This is my rifle
This is my gun
One is for killin’
The other’s for fun

So until this war’s over
And your time is done
This is my rifle and this is my gun

Bang!

Sheeeeeeeeit, I ain’t dyin’ fo’ no white woman.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

You didn’t even get Hartmann’s song right…

*sighs*

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

KFC says:

>Sheeeeeeeeit, I ain’t dyin’ fo’ no white woman.

“Choice” is only for women…Harry Blackmun said so…

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I have long persuasively argued that males are verbally challenged…”

Exhibit 1: KFC
Exhibit 2: You didn’t even get Hartmann’s song right…
Exhibit 3: Hartmann

Bonus Exhibit: Failing to to take me task for not getting both songs “right” in the same comment.

I gave you a chance, but scanners don’t create, they only copy. I was right the first time; you’re boring.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

The “KFC” is deliberate…it is an allusion to the poultry factory that masquerades as a eatery.

I’m not sure what the rest of your illusory claim pertains to; perhaps a clarification would help!

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Blaximus is very much like Billy Bibbet after Nurse Ratched informs him that she is going to tell his mom about his various sexual misdeeds…tongue tied in the extreme…though stuttering is a malady rather exclusive to the masculine gender.

The cat *really* does have his tongue!

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“KFC” was deliberate and is an allusion to a poultry factory?

[Insert Gene Wilder image here]

Tell me more about sucking eggs.

It seems I was right the second time too.

“I’m not sure what the rest of your illusory claim pertains to . . .”

Three strikes and you’re out. I know you’ll be back for more, but see if you can’t learn to play the allusion game well, and with some verbal creativity, in the mean time.

Do your own homework.

523
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