Open Cuckoldry

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During the Q&A section of the Man in Demand talk I gave back in September I was asked about where I believed the social dynamic of Open Hypergamy would lead. In specific the idea was proposed, and I agree, that the logical next step for a social order founded on feminine Hypergamy and one that prioritizes the female sexual strategy as preeminent would lead to a state of openly accepted cuckoldry.

Although I can’t say it’s an accepted social dynamic as yet, there are many social indicators that are revealing this push towards a normalized cuckoldry. I’ll explore these for a bit in this essay, but for now these indicators are about a move away from conventional monogamy in the hopes that a ‘soft cuckoldry’ might be a precursor to instituting a more accepted open cuckoldry.

I think it’s also important to keep in mind a couple of primary principles about this shift. First is the fact that, initially, an openly accepted state of feminine-controlled cuckoldry will never be called ‘cuckoldry’ proper. If we use the example of a socially accepted (if not celebrated) open Hypergamy as a model, open cuckoldry will be sold as a more logical, more humane sexual strategy for men and women in light of divorce statistics, romantic boredom and other sexual studies that indicate men and women weren’t evolved for monogamous commitment.

The second is that open cuckoldry is the extension of a unilaterally feminine controlled Hypergamy. That is to say that as Hypergamy becomes more normalized as a social imperative that sexual strategy will extend to optimizing Hypergamy across genders. If that optimization is taken to its logical end it will require men not just to adopt cuckoldry as a norm, but to socially reward them for advocating it among their own sex.

Cuckoldry By Any Other Name

As I said, it wont be called ‘cuckoldry’; the connotations are negative, so a redefining will be made in order to make the practice more socially palatable. The Feminine Imperative wont recruit the very men it needs to perpetuate cuckoldry as their own sexual strategy if the term is derogatory. Thus we’ll get euphemisms for alternative lifestyles, ‘open marriages’ or a “Designer Relationship“:

We live in an era when everything is customizable. Relationships are no exception. Some people will continue to practice their grandparents’ form of monogamy, and others, probably the majority, will be serially exclusive and pair-bonded. Still others will explore some form of non-monogamous expression that encompasses one or more of the facets we’ve discussed or may flow in and out of being exclusive based on what the relationship requires. (We’ve done this ourselves.) Having the ability to customize a relationship means having the freedom to respond to life’s vicissitudes.

The first time I came across the concept of ‘soft polygamy’ I was in a behavioral psychology class exploring the practices of modern marriage and contrasting them with the long term sexual behaviors of men and women. As you might imagine the context of the study focused entirely on the ‘bad behaviors’ of men who essentially transitioned from serial monogamy to serial marriage. The idea was that in the process of moving from one LTR to another men were establishing a soft form of polygamy.

In a social respect, men have far more to lose from serial marriages than do women. The financial liabilities of divorce are well known to the manosphere, but so are the emotional and familial accountabilities. So from a strictly male perspective, serial LTRs are a dicey prospect, but from a female perspective, in a feminine-primary social order, institutionalized Hypergamy and the soft polygamy that results from the Sandbergian sexual strategy, soft cuckoldry becomes pragmatic in optimizing Hypergamy for women.

At this point we should consider the Heartiste maxim about feminism again:

The feminist goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality

Institutionalized cuckoldry is the logical means to restricting male sexuality, but we have to consider what function that restriction serves for women. From an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks perspective the plan is simple; restrict that sexuality as women find need for a particular man’s service.

Diamonds and Rust

While I’m reluctant to prognosticate, my guess is that future generations of men will be conditioned to accept their role in this cuckoldry as part of their socialization. The above Forevermark diamond advertisement is one illustration of this. Open Hypergamy and its acceptance has already made its popular debut in mainstream media and advertising, and likewise open cuckoldry is just now finding a social foothold.

It takes the Red Pill Lens to appreciate the efforts as they’re being made by a large society. The Forevermark ad is intended to be funny or cute, but it belies a deeper, more poignant truth about Alpha Widows, Hypergamy and the long term sexual strategy Plan and roles women expect men to play in it.

I was made aware of this ad being circulated from a reader on Twitter and at first thought it was a reworked joke. It is however legit and billboards with this campaign are up in major cities. Without the benefit of a Red Pill Lens I can see how most men would laugh it off or women might giggle sardonically about it, but the the fact remains that a clever copywriter is aware of the sexual dynamics that make it funny.

I pulled the following quote from Deti on one of Dalrock’s more recent post:

“I think what we will continue to see is growing disengagement.”

Yeah, this has been discussed here and elsewhere in the almost 5 years I’ve been around here.

I think that what will happen is that things will continue sliding in the same direction they’re going now, until a critical mass is reached. I don’t know what that critical mass is, what will trigger it, or when it will be reached.

We live in a mostly free society with a hybrid of capitalism and socialism. We have maximum freedom and autonomy right now, with both sexes being free to pursue pretty much whatever they want, however they want to. That is the prime characteristic driving the current circumstance — that, and up to now, there’s been enough money taxed, borrowed and stolen to pay for it.

A growing number of men are not getting as much sex as they want. A growing number of women aren’t getting commitments in the form they want — when they want or from the men they want.

So things are going to keep sliding that way. More and more men will walk away and direct what energies they have left elsewhere — into work, or beer/bros/Xbox/porn, or travel/leisure. (Oddly enough, this might make many of them more attractive to women, since they’re spending less time directing their attentions to women.) More and more men will earn just enough to support themselves, since they don’t plan on marriage, and fatherhood is out of the question. They will lack the skills to improve their lives. They will not get nearly as much sex as they want, but they will learn to live with it — mostly through porn, the occasional hookup, and the even more occasional prostitute. The price of prostitutes will skyrocket as demand increases; and a few more women will go into high-end call girl work to earn side money.

More and more women will direct their attentions into their work, travel/leisure, and having children without men. (This will definitely make more of them less attractive to men except as on again, off again sex partners.) They will not get the commitments from men they want, but they will learn to live with it. They will complain about it with increasing volume and shrillness, but they’ll learn to live with it.

Until something happens to cause the tides to turn. Again – don’t know what, or when, or how. But something will happen to cause a hard reset. And it will be exquisitely painful for everyone. I don’t want it to happen, nor do I relish it. It’s not something to desire or look forward to because of the pain it will bring. But I do think it will happen. I don’t think it will happen in my lifetime or my kids’ lifetimes. We could easily slide like this for another 50 to 100 years.

I think one consequence of this separation of the genders will include a socially normalized institution of cuckoldry. To take hold it will need to be termed something different, but in effect the process of women conceiving with one man and then expecting another man to parentally invest himself in that child will be a casual expectation of women. With so many men effectively (if not intentionally) going their own way, the idea that any man wouldn’t be expected to serve as a surrogate parent will become commonplace.

Genders divided by feminism or feminine social primacy will need a ‘customized’ form of cuckoldry that allows for the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy to be reconciled with the Beta Bucks side by enlisting different men for either purpose.

The Pink Pill

I want to end here with an essay I read recently on the fallout of the new female form of Viagra:

In an infamous cartoon in The New Yorker in 2001, one woman confides to a friend over drinks: ‘I was on hormone replacement for two years before I realized what I really needed was Steve replacement.’ Medicine has been reluctant to engage the question of just how much monogamy and long-term togetherness affect sexual function and desire, and the ‘Steve’ problem remains an issue that is tacitly acknowledged and yet under-discussed. To return to Julie’s growing pile of self-help titles, the books all promise to return, revive, restore without really getting down to the brass tacks of why desire extinguished in the first place. As Julie notes, the honeymoon grinds to an end, but the issues leading there are complex. In short supply is attention to the way mind and body react to social structures such as popular media, faith and marriage.

To develop drugs to boost libido is like ‘giving antibiotics to pigs because of the shit they’re standing in’

The American psychologist Christopher Ryan argues that the institution of modern marriage – meaning an exclusive couple bound by romantic love – is antithetical to long-term excitement. Ryan is best known for Sex at Dawn (2010), a book authored with his wife Cacilda Jethá, that makes the case that sexual monogamy is deeply at odds with human nature. He is among a growing number of researchers suggesting that the rift between women’s purportedly limitless sexual potential and their dulled actuality might owe to the circumstances of intimacy. Accordingly, the conjugal bed is not only the scene of dwindling desire, but its fundamental cause. The elements that strengthen love – reciprocity, closeness, emotional security – can be the very things that smother lust. While love angles toward intimacy, desire flourishes across a distance.

The entire article is very insightful if not a bit depressing, but with the Red Pill Lens we can begin to understand the latent purpose behind the message. I’ve gone on record about the pushback against clearing the pink pill for use as being a direct threat to women’s control of their own Hypergamy. The concern, ostensibly, is that a libido stimulating drug might be used to induce a woman into having sex that her otherwise sober sense would prevent; effectively it could be a ‘rape’ drug.

What’s finally being addressed in this article however is what I’ve been saying since I was aware of the drug’s trials – a chemical that induces libido in women removes an element of their control in sexual selection and compromises Hypergamy. I’m not entirely sure the author was aware of the points she was revealing in this, but she succinctly makes the case for both institutionalized cuckoldry (or certainly a ‘customized’ soft polygamy for women) and advocates for women maintaining control of their Hypergamy unclouded by a drug that would remove that control by chemically inducing them into sex that isn’t of their own choosing.

The ‘cure’ to women’s low libido is holistic, not biological. Women’s sexual deficiencies are presumed not to be the result of a ‘broken’ biology, but rather a lack of proper motivation. I should point out that all of this validates all the points I was making about Dread in marriage last month on Biblical Gender Roles – maintaining a condition of proper motivation (i.e. Dread), the holistic cure, is exactly what even femosphere authors are tacitly advocating.

The elements that strengthen love – reciprocity, closeness, emotional security – can be the very things that smother lust.

Yet now, even when a pharmaceutical solution to the lust problem is made available the ‘cure’ is rejected. Why? Because on a root, limbic level women’s hindbrains know that Hypergamy cannot be optimized with a drug that removes Hypergamous choice. The real solution has never changed and women are now put into a position of having to openly acknowledge that for all of the pretense of “mismatched libidos” or “sex just declines after marriage” social conventions, men’s cuckoldry is the real plan for Hypergamy.

When presented with a pill that will make them sexual, when given a cure to their low sex drives with the men who’ve made lifetime commitments to them, women will still refuse to take it. Hypergamous doubt can’t be quelled with a pill.

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Andy
Andy
7 years ago

@scray

That’s fascinating and inspiring. Is it really f’n rewarding or is it kind of an empty feeling when you get to that point? Do you feel like there’s still a lot of room for growth or do you think that from now on you’ll mainly focus on things other than game?

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

FR: Had a rendezvous with remaining plate tonight and saw how completely fucked up my frame is with her. She’s trying to milk me as a provider, in small ways “can you pick up some tums or rolaids and some blah blah”, like I’m her fucking sherpa. She’s been doing this more and more. And then she makes me wait for her and is late and it’s just all fucked up. I realize that I’ve been pretending she’s my plate, and we have had some good sex when I get aggressive, but other times it sucks and she sees me… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ Andy At the risk of being ornery. At the risk of being holiday season agitated. Let me lecture to you. Stop orienting yourself from a top down approach to getting agency and power. You seem to be fascinated by scoring easy pussy. Good on you. That is in the hind brain of every man. It is natural and and a male imperative. But what others have accomplished is irrelevant to what you need to work on. You need to improve your own reality in a practical fashion. But you have to orient yourself in the fog of war to… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

SJF, Wise words. I know that was directed at andy, but it applies to me too. It is also the reason I have not been commenting here much, or even reading for that matter. I have gone full “inner game” mode and am working on ME. Bottoms up as you say. Not easy, but worth it. (especially the “short guy” demon…wtf? Don’t ever go to the short subreddit, holy shit) It’s easy to be envious of what other men have. Beta mindset for sure. I’ve re-invested in my wife. No wishful thinking, I understand the reality of all of this.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

SJF,

Wise and well crafted words brother. I raise my glass to you.

” when everything is said and done, there’s nothing left to say or do “.

Cave,

I’m glad to hear it. Keep on doing your thing.

immoralgables
7 years ago

@Scray

Damn dude, nice work and thanks for sharing. I’m just in awe but at the same time I know you went through all that. It feels like yesterday (even though it’s been ~3 years) since you started on your journey.

Congrats and you deserve the success that will keep heading your way.

I still read your older stuff to get a little inspiration here and there. Talk to you around these parts later on brother, keep rocking it!

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“It is also the reason I have not been commenting here much, or even reading for that matter. I have gone full “inner game” mode and am working on ME. Bottoms up as you say.” Heheh. Some of us have engaged in Monk Mode for a time and some of us need to engage with other red pill aware men at times. Pace ourselves. Don’t be afraid to plateau, rest, and then advance to the next ascent in the journey. But don’t think that your next major score with a woman will be a completion in your life as a… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@SJF – A tour de force, nothing less. Play the ball where it lies. A speculative look at what may lie even deeper for Andy. He seems to enjoy the fantasy of getting easy pussy – me too, lol. But LARPing is for fools. LARPing is about defending one’s ego investments and is ultimately a buffer that “justifies” us but prevents us from taking meaningful action. For Andy, currently it’s good enough to invest his game energy into fantasizing and living vicariously while his marriage and family are spiraling out of control. Andy, I’m not looking down at you, I… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Hey, Rollo, remember the MRI “investigation” that showed no diff between men’s and women’s brains? Greg Cochrane has one of his usual, restrained, subtle comments at https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/sex-and-the-brain/ I just noticed an new article in PNAS – research by Daphna Joel a behavioral neuroscientist at Tel Aviv University. Using MRI, she concludes that the brains of men and women aren’t really different. She suggests that the notion that men and women behave differently may be a myth. She is, of course, utterly full of shit. It’s fountaining out of every pore: her hair will never go gray. We know of many… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Play the ball where it lies.”

Most certainly.

Don’t cheat. Don’t buffer.

(Easy for me to say. I wasn’t forced to eat shit sandwiches, but neither did I take the easy route, nor did I make it a practice to settle. I take the road less buffered and live on the edge. It is exciting and it is rewarding. It is not easy, but it is congruent. I’ve suffered from not submitting to the Feminine Imperative, but I won’t Cave. (nor Clown. Heh.)

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Cave – Go. go, go. I went monk mode for a few months and that was when my internal Red Pill journey really began. A smart woman (yes, there are some) told me, “Learning implies a permanent change in behavior.” Also, guys, if this buffer and ego investment stuff just bounces off your brain, trust me, I get that. I was completely unable to face this until reading YaReally’s recent comments. It’s like Rollo’s words just could not get through. I didn’t have the sense of being confused, i simply could not get my brain to process it. We have… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Eagerness. Hunter and Prey. I’ve observed crepuscular animals (look it up) over time. They are eager to get out there at dusk and dawn. There eager-ness always intrigued me. They had thirst. Cats for prey, deer for forage and safety. But eagerness always. To hunt deer is to get out there and be eager to hunt prey when you are least comfortable. Wake up at 5:30 AM. Shower and be scent free and have a sustenant breakfast, clothe yourself, get your vertical bow, crosbow or firearm ready and a backpack and safety-in-a-treestand harness ready. Walk out and get in a… Read more »

day-gamer
day-gamer
7 years ago

@ scray
“you must leave them better than you found them.”

can you tell me how to do that?

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

Damn, I posted a bunch of pix of crepuscular animals but it’s in mod due to links. Very energized tonight and not wanting to sleep. I feel like a knot within me has been loosened.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“I feel like a knot within me has been loosened.” Yep. And the rut is filled in and worked around in the limbic system with the alternatives to the singular dopamine input (the Rut, the buffer, the addiction, the chained-to-ego-investment, the failure to thrive path). Multiple other dopamine inputs re-work old habits. And carve a new multi-focal limbic system capable of a more spectral 3-D man with agency. Good music, adventure, exercise–weightlifting perhaps, pursuit of prey, fucking women, living on the edge and not retreating nor going too far, reading great literature, Etc. Push your limbic dopamine inputs. Work around… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
7 years ago
Reply to  SJF


“I’ve suffered from not submitting to the Feminine Imperative”
Would you mind elaborating on that?
http://themeateater.com/books/meat-eater-adventures-from-the-life-of-an-american-hunter/

IAS
IAS
7 years ago

@SJF : your comments (meant for Andy) are also very good for my situation. Do you ever share an e-mail with people here? There’s a bunch of stuff that I would be interested in discussing or at least telling someone but I’m not comfortable letting it out in public for privacy reasons. @Andy : I’m new to this but listen to SJF. It seems like you haven’t really digested the RP all the way for whatever reason (I know I haven’t). Even the experienced people are still improving, but at the early stages it is important not to be children… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“She was kind of flighty. An airhead. A real bird brain.”

Hee hee. Well done, Gamer! 😀

The “she also wasn’t human” part threw me.
I thought he was speaking metaphorically, like a “she was a machine!” sort of thing. 😛

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

Open hypergamy continues to flourish….

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I’m seeing this meme in a lot of movies now….2 guys always fawning over some chic in some form or other…

1999StreetG
7 years ago

This guy must have went to Jared. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=52Z5ob-6jNI

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

@1999StreetG

LOLOLOLOL, gotta keep selling girls the lie that there is some millionaire with his own helicopter just WAITING to swoop in and rescue them from their impending life of boredom with their dutiful beta provider. “Speak now or forever hold your tingles.”

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

LOL from the comments:

“mar12301 9 months ago
perfect beauty <3 like a dream."

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

I gave up a Brazilian helicopter pilot for this?

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Scribbler to the G,

Thanks man. Not quite monk mode, I’ve actually reached out to people a lot this last few weeks. But yeah, lots of internal battles and such.

Time to reinvent myself, again. Lol

Good work on your dropping the 27 year old beta provider seeker, inspiring stuff.

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

@CaveClown Hey Man, good to hear from ya. I figured your wife fulfilled her ultimate destiny and gunned you down in a blaze of glory. Then convinced the judge that it was self defense. hehe. @SJF Ahhh, what would a week be without a lecture from @SJF? I feel complete. “You seem to be fascinated by scoring easy pussy.” I am not fascinated by scoring easy pussy. I’m fascinated at how you can perfect social skills and seduction with practice. Like I feel like there’s so much going on around me socially that I could be more in tune too.… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Andy,

Once she finds her 6’2″ cowboy replacement for me…

…probably get stampeded by a herd of cows or something.

It was an accident!

Especially since I’m insured for a couple mil.

Fuck I hate the Midwest.

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“Fuck I hate the Midwest.”

Me too…

theasdgamer
7 years ago

She’s trying to milk me as a provider, in small ways “can you pick up some tums or rolaids and some blah blah”, like I’m her fucking sherpa. She’s been doing this more and more. And then she makes me wait for her and is late These are normal shit tests, which you’ve been failing. Tough love, buddy. If she wants you to pick up stuff, do that maybe one in three times and make sure she gives you some sort of compensation. If she’s late, flake on her next time with an excuse “I didn’t think you were coming.”… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Andy – I get this from what you say here, Andy. The life you just described seems quite incongruent with your typical commentary, like the recent one where you lamented how jealous you were and how you wanted to just fuck women but then had to return to the “screaming” that you seemed to be saying characterized your family life.

But hey, you’ve got it all handled, your life is amazing, you love it – great. Ask yourself this: How could SJF and I get such a different impression here? Keep on LARPing…

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

“I have a good life, I’m not denying that.” One thing I’ve realized about myself is that this is part, if not all of the problem. Hell, this is western civilization’s problem in a nut shell. I want adventure, I want freedom, I want challenges, I want hardship, I want ego destruction, I want success, I want to see joy, I want to see suffering, I want love, I want lust. Idealization? Probably. Fuck a “good” life, I want a LIFE. Very hard to do after you have followed the whole wife and kids script. Not impossible though. (I hope… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

@scribblerg

Well I am jealous of your being able to go out and having time and stuff. I would love to fuck other women too. I’m jealous of that. The screaming is from the kids. That was just a joke. My marriage could improve and I work on it, but it’s a lot better than most.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ YaReally Liz wrote: “She was kind of flighty. An airhead. A real bird brain.” Hee hee. Well done, Gamer! 😀 This is Old School Game. Liz is one of the girls in a diminishing pool who can appreciate it. Liz might secretly fantasize about being stuck with me in an elevator due to some brownout. It Just Happened ™. She wonders if I would be a dud or a stud. I do nothing to give her any clue. Old School Game. More sexual tension, less overt sexuality. Even a dud might be a stud given the right circumstances–that’s the… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@ASD – Hey, just a news bulletin for you. An apology is in order to me for your inane shit about me and my daughter. I realize you are socially retarded so take this as a life lesson. Apologizing when you are out of line is a key life skill and very important to being a man. You should build this muscle as it will be good for your humility and help you get along with others. But until then, stop trying to engage me on these pages as though we are peers. Currently, in my world, you are a… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“Very hard to do after you have followed the whole wife and kids script. Not impossible though. (I hope not anyway)”

Yeah, I think it’s possible. I’m not going to give up on it unless it becomes obvious it’s not possible. On the bright side if I did have the PUA life I’d probably be really torn about having kids or not. Now I don’t have to agonize about it.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ scribbler

Get back on your meds, buddy.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Asd,

It might actually be Scribbler that’s fantasizing about being alone with you in an elevator right now…just sayin’

Lol

newlyaloof
7 years ago

On this Friday, let me say thank you to Rollo and the smart-as-fuck older-dudes here laying out some serious introspection and knowledge. This place rocks. And thanks YaReally too and the rest of you.

Hey YaReally, would you say you are a cross between that Californication dude and Luke from RSD? Just trying to form a picture in my head.

Have a great weekend RPers.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

Re: Buffers – Porn is a buffer. Whacking off too much is a buffer. Prostitutes are a buffer. Camgirls are a buffer.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Liz:

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My kinda woman – stuffed and mounted.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@IAS I don’t have a public email. But perhaps a workaround is possible. I am pretty selective but have had some life affirming and live-changing private conversations this year with a few other commenters here. (The workaround is go to my buddy Forge’s gravatar, click on it and he has a public email and he would be kind enough to forward and copy me on a reply) @Rugby I just meant in general I didn’t buy into feminine social conventions and sometimes didn’t join in all the reindeer games. And socialize. I am an introvert and my batteries get discharged… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Reading too many manosphere blogs is a buffer…

Application of knowledge and pushing your ego boundaries is where life starts to be enjoyable.

vermillionaire
vermillionaire
7 years ago

Two huge examples of open hypergamy on SNL last week, with Ryan Gosling as the host.

1. The fake commercial for the app Settl. “There’s nothing wrong with the men on Settl, they’re just normal guys with characteristics I’m now willing to overlook”

2. On Weekend Update, Cecily Stong’s GQ writer running shit tests on Colin Jost.

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@kfg: Hehehe!

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“Liz, did you like my chick porn?”
If I answer I’ll sound cheep….

“My kinda woman – stuffed and mounted.”

She looks like a flight risk, but definitely a good lay.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Yes, that was awful. Couldn’t stop myself!!!

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

The thing I don’t get about open cucking is it just blatantly ignores the wall. Like it doesn’t even exist.

Google “where have all the good men gone” some time, women in their 30’s and 40’s and 50’s struggle to find men that will commit. (Bastards all want chicks in their 20’s, lol)

It’s like giving a goldfish control over its food supply, they will eat themselves to death.

Or do most post wall women find betas to commit? Seems that all this hurts women and men both. Hey! Equality FTW, lol.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Cave – Consider that 80% or more of men are Betas. And that almost all men, including alphas, are Blue Pill as shit in many real ways. The FI seeps in deeply. A guy on YouTube, Sargon of Akkad, just did a send up of another YouTuber named Steve Shives who is incredibly hostile to MRAs and is a self proclaimed feminist. In the vid, he excerpts a vid Steve did prostrating himself to his fugly, radfem wife, flagellating him for being a sexist. It’s so pathetic and cringeworthy that it’s hard to watch. Here’s a link that starts at… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

@CaveClown,

“Or do most post wall women find betas to commit? Seems that all this hurts women and men both. Hey! Equality FTW, lol.”

My sense of this is the further past the wall, the chodier the beta provider. Maybe even venturing into “omega provider” territory (in CH terms).

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Glenn,

I forget not everyone is red pill , it’s like having a superpower or something.

maybe more like living in an occupied country…lol

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Dutchman that makes sense

the older stronger betas and alphas are less likely to go for a post wall used up chick…

Longgone
Longgone
7 years ago

assdgamer, I swore I wouldn’t bite on your assholery anymore, just scroll on and have up to now. But dag man, can’t you take a hint and sit on your hands once in a while when you’re tempted to embarrass yourself? Honestly it’s not that you’re spouting gibberish, it’s that you are spouting gibberish too often. I presume most of the other men reading and commenting here, including myself, are too engaged in learning and rebuilding their lives from the bottom up to bother themselves with responding to your shit, so they scroll on too (students, searchers). Others commenting here… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Steve in that video, is that really how betas act?

I can’t even wrap my head around that.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Cave – “maybe more like living in an occupied country…lol” yep. This is what brought me here, Cave. I won’t tell the whole story but suffice it to say that when my daughter and two sisters i’d been a father figure to decided they could just treat me like some creep and as disposable after decades of caring and supporting them and loving them and putting up with it all, I was shocked. At 50 years old, my world was turned upside down (long time brewing in some ways, obviously). Same sister who asked me to walk her down the… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

@scribblerg,

LOL look at the shit test she drops on him at 6:53 and how he RUSHES to fail it IMMEDIATELY. What a fucking twat lol.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

well Glenn I only know part of your story but I can tell you that it’s an honor to be hearing the parts you share

you’re a much stronger man than I

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Steve in that video, is that really how betas act?”

Steve’s just a tick manlier than average.

Sargon himself, although an anti-feminist, is a rather touchy-feely (jumbo sized) manlet. If you want to see the Shives shived with no holds barred, go to this guy:

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

wow just wow

my wife accused me of being a sexist one time

I said “only towards chicks”

Her, “could of at least called them women”

Me, “chicks is okay, usually I say bitches”

Lol

then I fucked her brains out

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

@Cave

No need to brag, I’m sure Steve’s wife gave up the pussy right after they made that video too.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

yeah, just not to him

scray
scray
7 years ago

@Andy “Is it really f’n rewarding or is it kind of an empty feeling when you get to that point? It’s always rewarding. I’m always meeting interesting people and cool chicks. “Do you feel like there’s still a lot of room for growth or do you think that from now on you’ll mainly focus on things other than game?” When I started I was also super fat (borderline obese) and needed to tighten up on my career and tighten up my financial situation, etc. etc. So, I just worked (and still work) on everything separately. I completely turned my body… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Scray,

did you ever have insecurities over your height and if so how did you get past it?

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

@Scray

“As for game specifically — ya of course there’s room for growth. As both me and Ya mentioned yesterday, my initial spurts of success game from learning BASIC social skills and how to be a cool, well-liked guy. The MM stuff is for more advanced situs and dealing with hotties specifically. ”

How did you build the basic social skills? I’m not totally retarded, but I’ve always been a big loner.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Scray,

Hey playa, tell her to go home, pull your pants back up and answer our questions

Lol

scray
scray
7 years ago

@Dutchman “How did you build the basic social skills? I’m not totally retarded, but I’ve always been a big loner.” Trial by fire! I went out several days a week and talked to women. I was going out 4 days a week for like 7-8 months. And after that I did a 30 day challenge where I went out every day. Every night I opened many sets. Over time you start to see what works and what doesn’t. Essentially, how you talk to your friends you know (you’re probably a relaxed funny person with them) is how you want to… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@kfg – Indeed, Shives is more manly than many betas, lol. Also, you are right about Sargon, he’s mixed and I skip most of his stuff. But sometimes he’s so spot on.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Scray,

wise words friend, thank you.

it will take time for my ego to accept it though

happy for you and your success!

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

Re: Amy Schumer – From some blog, this guy put into words so well why I find her unfunny:
“In my opinion, Amy Schumer’s comedy is mean-spirited and elitist. Her comedy is joyless. She hits the right notes (lol poop! lol vaginas!) but never really seems to be having fun. To me, it feels like she puts herself above the audience. She’s smart, we’re dumb. She’s sexy, men are pigs for thinking she’s sexy (which, coincidentally, I don’t).

I’ve never connected with this kind of comic (such as Anthony Jeselnik, Schumer’s ex-boyfriend), because it’s too antagonistic.”

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Longgone @Asdgamer December 11th, 2015 at 12:23 pm I call BS on that. I don’t mind and rather enjoy Asdgamer’s commentary because he’s positive about game, he’s happy, he enjoys discussing, has social stories to tell which define what TRM is about, he’s congruent, Etc. I don’t think his commentary is by any measure inane. It’s not spam. Everybody has a scroll button. Every one can turn the TV off at any point. I couldn’t care less that there is a feud with Scrib. (establishing hierarchy by merits in a group of men is a way of men). IOW I’m… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ liz

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ shortdong

No, you can’t suck my dick either.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ SJF

I suspect that @longgone is a sock puppet of scribbler’s.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Just in case anyone missed it…YaReally wrote, “ASD isn’t entirely wrong”, lol. Scribbler obviously still has major issue to deal with and I’m not trying to bait him, but other men need to hear the Red Pill truth and not try to sugar coat it or enable ego-buffering just because one of us is gagging on the Red Pill.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@Cave – you bring a smile to my face. I am happy-ish for you. Lol. It’s true, be happy for TODAY, don’t fret over tomorrow. That is a lesson I had to learn the hard way. @Andy – Yo, it really doesn’t matter where you live re: having a life. The important thing is for you younger guys to BUILD yourselves a life that you can function in, and get satisfaction from. It is not always good for any man to actively compare his circumstance to another man’s as a measure of success or happiness. Your mileage will always vary.… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“@Andy – Yo, it really doesn’t matter where you live re: having a life.”

@Blaximus

Yeah probably. I actually love where I live. I just hate the Midwest. lol. Well, Chicago is alright but it’s surrounded by corn in every direction for 200 miles.

“A man has got to put thought into what it is he wants and needs from his life. I’m talking real, honest thought. It’s YOUR life, after all.”

I completely agree. This applies to everyone here… Expect me for some reason!

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

…lol, correction, my city has 278,000 motherfuckers. Thanks Google.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Long – Well said…

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

@Blax

Now I know where you live.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

my town has 100,000 people and the next bigger town is 400 miles away

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Asdgamer
December 11th, 2015 at 4:05 pm

Hah. Poorly Said. Wrong info.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

I swear there’s more lifted f150’s out here than there are people

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@Andy – Lol, It’s not a secret I’m trying to keep.

http://www.propertymanagementinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/newark-skyline-evening_article1.jpg

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“my town has 100,000 people and the next bigger town is 400 miles away”

Hmmmm, I think I know where you live too.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@ASD – Listen, you stupid cunt. YaReally knows about as much about parental alienation and my situation as you do – but he wasn’t a complete asshole about it. I need no counsel from him or you on the subject as neither of you have bothered to actually study it, seek professional advice on it or have lived through it.. The two of you are merely LARPing your way through it without any intellectual basis. To apply “game” to such a situation is to reveal what you don’t know, not wisdom. What’s most pathetic about you? Now you are leaning… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

I need to move somewhere with more people

Yareally agrees with me !

lol

Just playing Asd!

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ scray You should hang out with a girl you bang a little — you know, get her an egg mcmuffin in the morning, talk to her. @ Blax I say, if you’re married and your wife isn’t batshit crazy, be the best father and husband you can be – and I’m not just talking Beta providerman. Strive to be the best you can at all aspects of your life, then when you’ve done that, you can ask yourself ” is this all there is to life ” and I’m confident the answer you find will be a positive one.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@Cave

” I swear there’s more lifted f150’s out here than there are people ”

I love places like that. Call me crazy. The town I was born in, in Virginia has a population of 4,500 people. I LOVE it…but unfortunately places like that are dying out fast. Makes me sad.

Not to sound all super patriotic or anything, but I’ve been all over this country with the exception of the Dakotas. Everywhere is different, and everywhere is kinda special. I’d hate to see the nation homogenized.

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

andy if that is true keep it to yourself bro

GW
GW
7 years ago

FI in Russian. “7 Signs your husband is happy with you” http://marketium.ru/7-priznakov-schastlivogo-muzha-2/ Interesting how the presumption is beta and the advice is (mostly) how to be a better beta. the details are worse than the summary of the points. I highlight a few here. 7 points I translated: 1. He often kisses her. (In description, it talks about he always kisses here when he comes home from work, which is one of Rollo’s examples of what to stop doing) 2. He often calls and is trusting (trusting meaning trusts she is behaving herself while he is gone, which should be… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Cave I need to move somewhere with more people Yareally agrees with me ! lol Just playing Asd! I was reading you loud and clear, my friend. The YaReally thing was confirmation and wasn’t appealing to any status of his since we were discussing family issues, which isn’t his expertise. I thought that scribbler could take the Red Pill from YaReally easier than he could from me since scribbler has marked me as his anger-vent. Confirmation is essential. Everyone needs it, including YaReally. He isn’t God. Even if you move, you face the same tired old faces here at… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
7 years ago

Blax, thanks for the kind words. Asd, enlisting someone you see as having higher value to aid your argument is a loss of frame in my book. Which is fine, just be aware. Use logic instead. At the very least use anecdotal evidence, “Yareally has seen what I have seen as well” instead of just pure “this high value guy agreed with me” Stop lowering your own value and opinions. With that said, I have no idea what the disagreement is even about. GW, the wife and kids know well enough to come to the door and give me a… Read more »

enrique
enrique
7 years ago

@scribblerg, good story bro, and I get it (your PUA of the waitress chick) but tell me you aren’t believing every gal that tells you she’s only had/done X in her life (two boyfriends, just moved out the week before). That shit’s as cliche as wannabe writer working on a story about a junkie with a heart-a-gold.

Every chick “just got out of a relationship”, “only swallowed one guy, my last/first, blah blah”…only tried anal once.

Game them, don’t believe them.

Not Born This Morning
7 years ago

@Rollo “NTBM, so I guess MGTOW scientists haven’t developed that drug to eliminate male libido so men can reach their enlightened potentials yet huh?” Distortion of context due to an inability to conceive of oneself outside the female frame considering relations with them. The male frame eclipses and encompasses the female frame. “Burden of performance” is female dependent and therefore within the female frame. Defining yourself and your relationship with women based upon this limits and denigrates yourself to being defined by that female frame and feminine solipsism. As long as you hope to “man up” in this context, you… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Who else other than yourself do you want to be accountable to . . .”

Your right hand man.

” . . . and why?”

Because the equation is actually commutative.

stuttie
7 years ago

tl;dr – YaReallys post up-thread where he broke down “ego” in developing Game, supercharged my want to head out and start gaming the hotties I actually want to fuck. I tried it out last night in my new local bar that amazingly was full of 19-27 hb8-9’s with good M:F ratios. Had a great night just having fun with it and not letting my ego hold me back. ——————————————————————————————— FR: A few weeks back, I moved away from the suburbs into a new area on the fringe of a major city. Haven’t been going out that much mainly because I… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@enrique – Nice catch and I will stay on my guard. I guess the whole thing was just funny in the juxtaposition of it. The ex-plate is a cock blind whore with more miles than she can even remember. She has that fucked in the head kind of ditziness which I had been ignoring in order to claim “victory”. I never realized that was due to too much dick before, but since the Red Pill I’ve noticed it much more clearly in women with high miles. It’s like they are staring right through you or something The woman in the… Read more »

YaReally
7 years ago

@scribblerg “as neither of you have bothered to actually study it” Don’t tell me what I have and haven’t done, you don’t know anything about me except the cartoon vision of what you picture a PUA is. You made the same “YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING BRO” claim about webcam girl shit making assumptions about what I know and what I’ve researched and studied and you were wrong. I’ve been following topics like this in-depth for a looooong time. Do I seem like a guy that isn’t heavily invested in studying men’s issues even if they aren’t directly relevant to me?… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@NBTM – Honest question. Your thoughtful response to Rollo seems to imply you can escape the imperious urge and the imbalance of human intersexual dynamics. If you are in the same game we are, women have more power in this dynamic because they are exercising choice. We are bioprogrammed to want them more, it’s innate. This has always been my problem with MGTOW. You can’t escape any of that. The game is always going on, you can either win or lose at it. Withdrawing is a voluntary loss, it’s conceding defeat. Put more simply? I’ve never met a MGTOW who… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@No it didn’t Blax, I’m done. I’m not reading his shit. He’s just a scroll signal now. I saw that wall he just posted, whatever, I just roll on by.

Okay, gotta change and head out. Have a great night guys, I’m looking forward to more FRs like @Stutties – great work man. It sounds like you were actually having fun, which is the place to get to I think.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Glenn, take it easy and have a GREAT night brother.

A Definite Beta Guy
7 years ago

What’s wrong with the Midwest?

Andy,
Chicago is sufficiently large that you will not feel the need to visit the corn fields. There’s a small amount of hiking and skiing in Wisconsin. We’re not talking anything fabulous, but it’s better than nothing.

I’ve lived in the Chicagoland area my whole life: most of the suburbs are developed enough that it’s nothing like living in a normal Midwestern town.

Plenty of hipster-central towns, too.

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