27 Shades of The Modern Man

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We interrupt your regular Rational Male blog reading for an important news bulletin. TRM sources confirm that a comprehensive list of aspects of the “Modern Man” has at last been identified by Brianna Brian Lombardi for the New York Times. Yes, you read that correctly, click-bait reliable sources have indeed confirmed the recognizable traits of the Modern Herb Man.

After a preschool upbringing replete with Cailou, heavily steeped in feminized gender self-loathing during his tween years, and topped off with a healthy dash of transgender reassignment therapy, a list of traits has finally been compiled to aid in women’s identifying an adult ‘Modern Man’.

I know, I know ladies, it’s a very difficult task to identify an acceptable guy for your Epiphany Phase necessities. What with ‘dating’ ALL “the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys“, it can be a daunting challenge to remember the characteristics that made all of the Nice Guys you blew off in your youth such a great catch,…timing is such a bitch, but now you’re ready to do things “the right way this time”, right?

The good news is they’ve all been waiting for you, like you asked them to way back when; and while their feminine conditioning has finally made them desirable for your just-pre-Wall long-term security necessity, they have gotten older and a bit more peculiar. No worries, Brittany Brian Lombardi has compiled a list for you so you can better discern he and his fellow ‘Modern Men’ today from the guys you proposed “lets just be friends” to ten years ago.

Lets have a look shall we?

1. When the modern man buys shoes for his spouse, he doesn’t have to ask her sister for the size. And he knows which brands run big or small.

Yes ladies, you’ll no longer be troubled with that hot club guy being callously indifferent to remembering your shoe size. The Modern Man is so identifying with the feminine, so in touch with it, he’s made a hobby of picking up women’s shoes and memorizing the sizes and brands in your ever growing collection. In fact, you’ll no longer be troubled with the joy hassle of shopping for cute shoes, the Modern Man will do it for you. Now you can get back all the ‘rewarding’ work of advancing your career.

2. The modern man never lets other people know when his confidence has sunk. He acts as if everything is going swimmingly until it is.

You see gals, the Modern Man knows women are far too burdened by the Patriarchy to ever consider a man’s acknowledgement of his own degree of self-confidence. In fact, his feminine conditioning has taught him well that no one is really concerned with his ‘privileged’ cis-centric concepts of male confidence. He knows the preconceptions of confidence only leads to actualizing his potential for violence. Far better to put a smile on his face and tangle with his inner demons without his concerning you overly much, don’t you think?

3. The modern man is considerate. At the movie theater, he won’t munch down a mouthful of popcorn during a quiet moment. He waits for some ruckus.

Walking on eggshells around women is the hallmark of a Modern Man. Rest assured girls, he knows the personal repercussions women will mete out should he commit a social faux pas. Not to worry though, the Modern Man wouldn’t so much as cough during the chick flick he suggested you both see on opening night.

4. The modern man doesn’t cut the fatty or charred bits off his fillet. Every bite of steak is a privilege, and it all goes down the hatch.

Would you look at that ladies? The Modern Man can still prompt a tingle by getting back to his caveman roots! You’ll just have to forgive him one uncouth vanity. He’s his own man when it comes to animal fat. That steak and the full beard he’s growing to go with his new flannel shirts (in between shoe shopping for his lady) are his privilege of being a man. Wait, did I say “privilege”? Oh, what a scamp he is, but he’s happy to accommodate you if you want to join his male space. Burp.

5. The modern man won’t blow 10 minutes of his life looking for the best parking spot. He finds a reasonable one and puts his car between the lines.

The act of parking a car might seem mundane to you, but au contraire. A Modern Man bucks the trend of spending 10 minutes (?) seeking the most perfect parking spot,…unless his lady is riding with him and then it’s a precious gift of the parking lot gods if he can manage a spot by the front entrance to WalMart. He may even do you the courtesy of dropping you off at the entrance and then forages for just the right spot.

6. Before the modern man heads off to bed, he makes sure his spouse’s phone and his kids’ electronic devices are charging for the night.

Because, God forbid, his wife or kids might be without their mobile device or social media accounts when they awake the next day. My God! How would they find out what occurred on Instagram while they slept? The Modern Man is so evolved, so limbicly in touch with the feminine mind that her unthought of needs become an obsessive compulsion for him.

7. The modern man buys only regular colas, like Coke or Dr Pepper. If you walk into his house looking for a Mountain Dew, he’ll show you the door.

You’ll just have to accept it gals; in addition to his women’s shoes fascination the Modern Man is an aficionado of processed sugar and high fructose corn syrup. So dedicated is he that his palate has become sensitive enough to disparage other men for not appreciating ‘real’ soft drinks. But, heheh, that’s just him “being a guy”, they’re soooo odd aren’t they?

8. The modern man uses the proper names for things. For example, he’ll say “helicopter,” not “chopper” like some gauche simpleton.

The Modern Man has rarely served his country in the military, so you’ll have to pardon his not understanding the distinction between a ‘helicopter’ and a ‘chopper’. However, beside a slight lisp and some feminine ‘vocal fry‘, the Modern Man’s vernacular is carefully chosen. He uses words like “gauche” and “simpleton” in casual conversation. See this link for more spoken examples.

9. Having a daughter makes the modern man more of a complete person. He learns new stuff every day.

Being a Modern Man requires you to identify more with the feminine, thus having a daughter completes him in ways a son would ever have the capacity too. In the back of his head he feels the nagging third-person guilt for China’s selective breeding practices of the past and hopes to “be the difference he wants to see in the world” by fulfilling the false narratives of the Feminine Imperative by personally investing himself in the ’empowerment’ of little girls at the expense of boys. It comes naturally to the Modern Man after being medicated himself for ADHD in his youth.

10. The modern man makes sure the dishes on the rack have dried completely before putting them away.

Lucky for you ladies, your Modern Man believes in the fantasy that is Choreplay so thoroughly he’ll forego using a modern dishwasher to wash the dishes by hand so you’ll notice how evolved he is. Because everyone knows the “unbridled lust” women feel when they see a man washing dishes by hand. Women agree, he’s practically owed sex at that point.

11. The modern man has never “pinned” a tweet, and he never will.

Because while the modern man is self-absorbed enough to use Pinterest, only a real solipsist narcissist pins a tweet.

12. The modern man checks the status of his Irish Spring bar before jumping in for a wash. Too small, it gets swapped out.

Ha! How cavalier! Isn’t it nice to have a Modern Man who’s indiscriminate enough to eat the fat and burnt parts of his steak, but is particular enough to toss out a bar of soap when it’s too small?

13. The modern man listens to Wu-Tang at least once a week.

Because how else would he remain in touch with his roots?

14. The modern man still jots down his grocery list on a piece of scratch paper. The market is no place for his face to be buried in the phone.

Yes ladies, you’ll find the Modern Man so engrossed with stereotypically feminine tasks (in an effort to buck a trend he still thinks earns him points with women), he’ll raise grocery shopping to an art form. He’s rustic enough to still use a pad and paper to scribble out his carefully planned grocery list (which of course implies he’s also become an accomplished cook in order to add some value to his SMV). I’ll bet you can just taste the artisanal lasagne from Whole Foods now.

15. The modern man has hardwood flooring. His children can detect his mood from the stamp of his Kenneth Cole oxfords.

The Modern Man loves the sound of his shoes on locally sourced woods beneath his feet so long as he’s not the one who had to install it. Remember, the Modern Man is defined by his shoes (again).

16. The modern man lies on the side of the bed closer to the door. If an intruder gets in, he will try to fight him off, so that his wife has a chance to get away.

Ladies you can sleep better at night knowing your Modern Man has spent the mental energy to position himself between you and any home intrusion. He’s carefully thought it through and accepts his disposability in the light of the odds he’d be easily incapacitated and left to bleed out while watching you be gang raped as his dying memory.

17. Does the modern man have a melon baller? What do you think? How else would the cantaloupe, watermelon and honeydew he serves be so uniformly shaped?

So in touch with his feminine animus is the Modern Man that he often becomes indistinguishable from Martha Stewart in his zeal to entertain his dinner guests. Perfectly shaped melon balls are just one more social anxiety you’ll be freed from with your Modern Man girls.

18. The modern man has thought seriously about buying a shoehorn.

The Modern Man’s obsession with shoes (for either sex) will not be restricted by size discrepancies.

19. The modern man buys fresh flowers more to surprise his wife than to say he is sorry.

The Modern Man is a virtual florist ladies. His mother and even his female co-workers will never be left out of his boundless consideration. Flowers never come as an apology since there is never a reason for apology with him. Rest assured his niceties come from actually being a Nice Guy and never with the ulterior motive of expectations of intimacy.

20. On occasion, the modern man is the little spoon. Some nights, when he is feeling down or vulnerable, he needs an emotional and physical shield.

Never forget gals, your Modern Man is a sensitive soul, prone to fits of crying when the movie’s sad enough. Should you ever spare an afterthought, remember, that smile on his face is just a placeholder until things are going along swimmingly. Just be sure to remember, when you’re spooning him like a toddler afraid of a thunderstorm, be sure he’s still facing the door side of the bed so he can interpose himself between you and the home intruder.

21. The modern man doesn’t scold his daughter when she sneezes while eating an apple doughnut, even if the pieces fly everywhere.

This should be a no-brainer considering the completedness-of-person he derives from empowering her to the exclusion of boys.

22. The modern man still ambles half-naked down his driveway each morning to scoop up a crisp newspaper.

Yes, gals that rugged individualism is not only expressed in his lack of self-consciousness (unless it’s shoes), but also in his rustic dedication to actually subscribing to a newspaper as it dies a slow media death. That damn paper boy better make sure it arrives ‘crisp’ or no Christmas time tip!

23. The modern man has all of Michael Mann’s films on Blu-ray (or whatever the highest quality thing is at the time).

Because, God knows where the Modern Man would be without the ability to re-watch classics like Hancock and the Miami Vice remake in 4K resolution.

24. The modern man doesn’t get hung up on his phone’s battery percentage. If it needs to run flat, so be it.

Sorry ladies, the Modern Man often becomes so overly conscious about your own mobile devices being charged throughout the night that he cavalierly forgets his own cell phone might run flat. You’ll just have to deal with his forgetfulness, but it is for your benefit. 1st World problems, what can you do?

25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will.

Well, at least you can be confident that he’s dedicated to making sure his inevitable death will give you the time needed to escape that home intruder’s malicious intent when the time comes. Just be sure to give him the proper push towards the bedroom door if he happens to be the ‘little’ spoon and feeling vulnerable that night.

26. The modern man cries. He cries often.

Well, finally ladies, you’ve got a guy who can cry on demand,…or is it by demand? But remember this is the next state in men’s evolutionary progress; a response to women’s crying eliciting sympathy and concern. Men’s facility with crying as a go-to response (he cries often) is just evidence of his closer identification and affinity with the feminine. It’s your dream come true! Now your Modern Man can relate to you as well as your closest girlfriends.

27. People aren’t sure if the modern man is a good dancer or not. That is, until the D.J. plays his jam and he goes out there and puts on a clinic.

And finally, you’ve got a new, modern, evolved man who can turn physical spasms into an art form, and have so little self-awareness that the laughter he hears is affirmation instead of ridicule.

Well, there you have it girls, you’ve finally got the men you deserved, the men you helped create, the men who are so in touch with their femininity that you’ll have little use for your gal-pals any more. But that’s OK, right?

The Modern Man has been patiently waiting for you to get the Bad Boys out of your system and he’s evolved enough to accept his retroactive cuckolding forgive your youthful indiscretion. The Modern Man understands that you were “so crazy back in college” and you want to do things right with him. The Modern Man is so in touch with the feminine, so evolved that he’s ready to look past your previous hesitations with him, look past the ease with which you gave it up to the ‘crazy boys, the commitment-phobic boys’; the greater degree of qualifications and your reluctance to jump into bed with him as quick only proves how much you’re changed and how much better he, the Modern Man, must be in relation to all those ‘other guys’.

Just be sure you’re sleeping on the right side of the bed when you do.

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keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

One more thing,
Women gets their emotional support from an alpha/strong personality men, women who are with weak men, get their emotional support from a sister.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Forge

I never felt any shame for being able to cook well. Hell, obviously if I’d waited on a woman to do it, I’d have had good cooking for like… a year of my adult life tops. The one thing adults got right when I decided to learn as a kid: “A lot of the best chefs in the world are men.”

Damn straight. They’re artists and proud of it. Men with a mission. Being the best chef in the world is as good a mission as any other I can imagine. Nothing feminine about that at all.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Forge, ’ I remember my grandfather, who grew up in a very rural part of Europe, had a very close male friend from childhood. They could confide anything in each other, would sometimes, even as adults, fall asleep together talking about things. Nothing sexual about it, just two close people. This was regarded as being quite normal. But later his more modern wife shamed him for it – she thought it was disgraceful.” Yeah, and feminism claim to love gays, but if you kiss another man on the cheek(as in some eastern Europe or Italy), they see that as a… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@Forge the sky: I think the point you raise about homophobia is a good one and it also interests me. Would like to see Rollo’s take on it. Before I found out about the Red Pill I read a book called The Four Loves (by C.S. Lewis). It is very influenced by Christianity but may be worth reading. The writing is a bit convoluted and archaic for my taste, but I think it is worth reading if you are interested in male-male friendship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Loves The Lord of the Rings also has different types of male-male friendship in display. Tolkien and… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Now there are reasonably cheap options like Soylent”

It costs rather more than top sirloin, more even than NY Strip.

“I wouldn’t advise eating it . . .”

You were doing great right up until then.

“I wouldn’t advise eating it in public as there is a good likelihood of getting ostracised for it (I don’t care so I do it anyway, but most people would care).”

Most people wouldn’t even notice and most of those who noticed wouldn’t give a damn, never mind ostracise you for it.

You aren’t that important to them.

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

I need some advice from the board. My wife a post carosel riding wall slamer has kicked me out a week ago. Im fairly relaxed about it and looking forward to a new life on my terms. She has been a depressive in the past

Now shes trying to get me back (now that shes run the $ numbers I am sure) should I go back for the sake of the kids (girl 15 son 13) or simply be an awesome man on my own term can do the best I can as a separated Dad? Comments pls

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

Kids are still texting me. there is no hate..just me building my own environment

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

and I am good with finding new playmates

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Now shes trying to get me back . . .”

That’s her problem. You’re not her yo-yo.

” . . . should I go back for the sake of the kids . . .”

No. What “sake of the kids” would seeing their dad be a depressive woman’s yo-yo serve.

” . . . or simply be an awesome man on my own term . . .”

Yes. For the sake of the kids.

lh
lh
5 years ago

@Max: Your mindset seems healthy so I’m wondering why she kicked you out in the first place?

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

I’m wondering why she kicked you out in the first place?

I’m too good with finding new “friends” shes prob a closet lesbian – Her bet friend is and her sister and cousin are card carrying lesbos

stuttie
5 years ago

@ Ih – his mindset is very healthy & RP aware,

@ max – you already know the answer.

your only challenge is overcoming any guilt around the children – instilled over 30 years by the FI .

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

And her straight sister is in daily contact with me arranging school pickups etc

c1hvh
c1hvh
5 years ago

>10. The modern man makes sure the dishes on the rack have dried completely before putting them away.

Talking past the sale! Notice how choreplay is a given.

Alec Leamas
Alec Leamas
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky Cooking as a vocation in the US was looked upon as less than Alpha because it was poorly remunerated – of course, there was some stigma attached to “serving” other people and especially men. But as the U.S. economy has moved away from manufacturing to service, these distinctions are blurring. Cooking may be considered “woman’s work” domestically, but I’m not sure that it is considered such anymore outside of the home. Barbecue culture is (and has always been) dominated by men, I think particularly due to its industrial scale. And in continental Europe, the chef was always… Read more »

bnon
bnon
5 years ago

The British chefs are the men leading the enterprise, not the guys standing next to the soup, stirring.

lh
lh
5 years ago

Ok. I think it’s at test whether you can be blackmailed by a women to exclude other women from your life. She doesn’t fear you fucking others, she fears (maybe because she lost competiveness from hitting the wall) some other women could blackmail you into excluding her from your life. You gotta demonstrate you will let no women ever decide what other women happen in your life, not her, not any other. Go for some arrangement where she knows you play with plates and she has to accept it, because then you can stay with her and the kids. Go… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

Check this out guys. Took the family out to dinner last night. As I get the check my wife starts getting kids ready to go. I ask what she’s doing, she says “Oh I’ll take the kids home so you can finish you beer in peace.”

*high fives around the room*

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
5 years ago
Reply to  Andy

That’s cool.

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

http://websta.me/n/resting.bitchface

This is why idgaf and spin plates

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CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

@lh While i agree with what you said, he needs to understand the risks with that too. I don’t know what the laws are in Australia Max, but in the part of the USA that I live in, if she can prove infidelity, she just gained a huge advantage in a divorce. Especially when it comes to custody. Where I live your 13 year old would be able to decide his/her own living arrangements (which can end badly if she has more influence over the kid than you do) The 11 year old would be at the mercy of the… Read more »

lh
lh
5 years ago

@Cave: I indeed neither know US nor Australien divorce laws. Here in Germany infidelity doesn’t matter at all. But if he actually fucks some other is not really important.
What I think is important though is to be clever with the law, but never so afraid of it or the government she could use your fear of legal consequences for anything.

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“What I think is important though is to be clever with the law, but never so afraid of it or the government she could use your fear of legal consequences for anything”

Agreed.

Push it to the limit, even past the limit. But don’t throw it all away for nothing.

If I were him, I would not pick this hill to die on is my point.

Not for some chick…wife or not.

lh
lh
5 years ago

Sure. When in doubt he should just do what is good for him, as always. But I get the impression this isn’t lost yet. And if he had reasons to stay until now, he could still. If he would just want to go to the next, Max wouldn’t ask those questions.

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

@Max

I’d go for custody. Move on either way.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . if he had reasons to stay until now . . . ”

Dude, he has left.

At her insistence. Now she is starting to insist he comes back. Come, go, come, go – just say “no.”

longgone
longgone
5 years ago

Luxocrat,

“@Edelweiss Women take pictures of their feces and share them?”

LOL man I was going to ask, but better you than me! Shit = Stuff?

lh
lh
5 years ago

@kfg:

I asked for details and from the little he gave it doesn’t seem she did it out of power, but of powerlessness. Of course you cannot let her make the calls, she needs punishment in any case. But you could also say why let her irrational fears decide when he moves on? Of course, if he wants to move on to something younger, he should go. But why take the kids then?

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@Max, 1-Yes, consult a lawyer and the laws regarding divorce. Whether she wants you back nor or not, you are heading there. Find out what your rights are and how to protect yourself. Don’t get blindsided. Your wife has put you on notice, despite what she is saying now. 2-Any assets you own outright, secure them now. Any credit cards? Put a hold on them or cancel them. 3-You say she’s depressive. How bad? Can you assume full time custody if needed, in case she goes off the deep end? 4-I assume your kids know the score, i.e., it’s their… Read more »

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

I think the Modern Man is in a state of confusion over whether to pursue his natural instincts or take the path of least resistance and surrender to the void and lead a low-key but ultimately unfulfilling life. I’ve thought a lot about my own Red Pill transformation. I know the truth but there are times when i’d prefer not to believe it because believing in unicorns is in many ways more comforting than the realities of the true character of women, hypergamy, lack of true empathy and the reality that we are truly on our own regardless of who… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

300 is a great movie, and the FI and Left would like you to think it’s homoerotic so as to further alienate men from masculinity. “Oh, you liked THAT movie? You must be gay!” This is one of the few times you are allowed to tease someone about being gay. The movie shows men displaying honor, bravery, strength, martial skill, fortitude, camaraderie, patriotism. It shows the need for war and battle skills, the craven folly of appeasement and the virtue of warriors. It shows a rising and brutal Middle Eastern Empire trying to invade and subjugate the West. Of COURSE… Read more »

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
5 years ago
Reply to  Seraph

Frank Miller is a conservative. He’s pretty open about it too. His work always puts men in a masculine heroic frame. I like pretty much all of his stuff because men are not attacked for men.

lh
lh
5 years ago

I’d be careful with Frank Miller. While I enjoyed Sin City very much, the movie is hardcore Blue Pill. That “masculine heroic frame” usually means sacrifice, which is exactly wrong.

olivermaerk
5 years ago

Great observations! The modern man has to become a true man – he can be very lucky if he has reached this blog.

from http://freedompowerandwealth.com

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@lh:

I didn’t say anything about taking the kids.

lh
lh
5 years ago

But you also wouldn’t marry in the first place, right?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“3-Spartans training for war all their lives are going to be fucking ripped.”

Not particularly:

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They trained for effectiveness in battle, not for some contemporary idea of aesthetics. If your body fat percentage gets too low, you cannot fight for crap, especially if you’re a bit short on rations at the time.

They were by no means fat, but they weren’t “ripped.” They weren’t particularly jacked either:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1047/746785513_748071b22b.jpg

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@lh: “But you also wouldn’t marry in the first place, right?”

Wrong. That possibility is long gone.

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Rollo

I actually laughed out loud at this post. Hilarious. I’ve seen some funny satire from you before but IMO this one takes the cake.

As for what you were satirizing, that says it all. Guys using the Blue Pill as their point of origin don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Maybe the only reason I can find this article so funny is because I’ve come to terms with TRP and the anger/grief/denial associated with it is like a distant memory from another lifetime.

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“Bread makers are great.”

Two greatest things I discovered on the internet. Both just as red pill as the truth about women.

1. The truth about the FED.

2. The truth about the seeds of grasses (grains).

I was very resistant to giving up grains at first. It took over two years from first hearing about the effects of grass seed on the human body to the point that I took action and removed it from my diet.

I have never felt better and I am never going back.

The FED and grain are poison. Slow-acting. Deadly. Posion.

lh
lh
5 years ago

@kfg: Thanks for the clarification.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Rollo

… that is a genuinely mind-blowing fact. Checked out Wikipedia’s article on Sparta, and they cite Plutarch, The Life of Lycurgus as the source for that little nugget. Interesting.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@lh: No problemo. In fact, I’ve tried a “real” licensed marriage and with what I learned from that an unlicensed. With what I’ve learned overall I could put together another unlicensed marriage about as well as it can be done, but I wouldn’t get married in the third place. And the biggest mistake I made beyond getting married in the first place was thinking of “the kid’s sake.” You can’t stay together for the kid’s sake. It simply doesn’t work. Not for you and not for the kid(s). You just end up with everybody living in a fucked up household.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“If that mythological fantasy inspires them to greater aspiration I would say they serve a purpose.”

A method the Greeks themselves employed. The picture of the statue I posted above is not of a typical warrior; that is the idealized form of the God of War himself, something to aspire too, not what a typical fighting man actually looked like.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
5 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Good point Rollo. The MSM will let gay men celebrate how great men are, but not heterosexuals unless it’s in a weaker submissive form. I’ve seen Milo just shred people taking more than one woman or more than one appeasing trendy dude, and they can’t handle him with the facts.

The MSM would never allow a heterosexual to say the things he says or he would be destroyed like what happened to Holistic Game and their coffee business.

lh
lh
5 years ago

@kfg: I like the idea and I never got officially married in the first place. But I wonder what reason could exist to stay with the mother of your children for the necessary 15-25 years, avoiding them becoming damaged without a proper family, if not “for the kid’s sake”? Of course you cannot ever allow yourself being blackmailed by “the kid’s sake”. But I think it’s more an issue of dealing with the powerplay than real, reasonable cause for your actions. I think if necessary you’d have to pretend to give a fuck about your children because you care for… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

@Rollo, I remember Milo saying something like ” when he became gay “. I am coming to the realization that a lot of gay men “becomes” gays, because they resigned themselves of the impossibly of being loved by women. I also remember when reading one of your post about Sinead O’Connor’s cravings dominance, and how it is so clear when looking at any lesbian photo ( by telling who is the masculine) to realize, even lesbian wants a masculine woman. Is it the same with gay men? , I mean, Milo’s conviction of ONLY men can love unconditionally , that… Read more »

lh
lh
5 years ago

It’s bad conspiracy theory only gay men would be “allowed” to say such things in MSM. But those gays seem to have it a lot easier to live as unshamed sexual men, narcissistic “dick first”. They aren’t targeted as the heterosexuals of course, but I could imagine accepting and coming out as gay already goes some way towards ZFG.
I think an heterosexual could do what Milo does, he just needs to be bold enough. Roosh has enough boldness probably, but he is just far off Milo’s charisma and game.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
5 years ago
Reply to  lh

Good point.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Of course that’s just one case from long ago.” And long ago is not now. I see an alien world around me. “Maybe the time of the family is up?” I may not be up, but it is currently not in any viable form. “I’m not convinced it’s better for the kids.” And I am speaking not of what’s best for the kids, but what’s the least bad and, as Rollo pointed out rather less tersely than I did myself, the single most relevant fact in the case actually in question is that he left at her insistence. In the… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

It is very strange that some of the best voices for men are gay men. GirlWritesWhat has been great as well. They get a nice pass that a straight man just doesn’t get. It makes me wonder how the FI will neutralize that over time.

lh
lh
5 years ago

“What are the chances of that?”

My point is: he has options and he knows it. He made already friends with plan B. And from that position you can go full on powerplay and make the necessary demands if she wants him in plan A. If she doesn’t give up the frame, he still has plan B, looking tasty.

So the question is: What is his risk?

Rollo’s and your assessment of the situation is probably better than mine though. I wonder why she is depressive?

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

Max, The first time I separated from my wife (I left, but she acted indifferent to my leaving) she later begged me to come back. I agreed, but I sat down with her and a list of written expectations before hand. Sold the family home, made her move into my apartment. Negotiaiting sure, but firmly in my frame. Cook, clean, fuck, be respectful. Them’s the rules. She complied initially. But once she felt that she could, she started slowly taking power back. Was I weak and gave up frame? Maybe. But, I don’t think so. It became obvious to me… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . she only joined my frame as a way to get what she wanted, and had no intention of actually giving up any power for the long term.”

Exactly.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@lh

Fundamentally, having children is costly in today’s society. Financially, personally, temporally. Which is why we have so few of them.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Here is another fucked up thing about women wanting a strong dominant man.

You have a woman who is with a dominant alpha, he dumps her and she goes to see her strong female friend to cry on her shoulder, how could he! And after finishing the bottle of wine, they start to kiss and the end up in bed rubbing pussies.

lh
lh
5 years ago

” . . . she only joined my frame as a way to get what she wanted, and had no intention of actually giving up any power for the long term.”

Isn’t it always like that? There is a reason it’s called holding frame. Cave didn’t enforce the rules, no question he gave up the frame.

lh
lh
5 years ago

@Forge: Maybe it’s really best to produce them, if it happens, and not care?

lh
lh
5 years ago

@Rollo: Thanks. I read from his explanation “I’m too good with finding new “friends”” she threw him out because he was at least flirting around. And this would in my opinion not fit into that “I didn’t get a man good enough” and can’t see him anymore narrative. Or maybe that was the case and the reason for her depressiveness and the differing SMV of both shifted the balance recently and her throwing him out is actually her fighting tooth and nail against giving up frame? And from that view I said he should have a plan B but otherwise… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

@Lh,

Well she fought tooth and nail and had no intention of submitting.

So I’m divorcing her ass.

I call that holding frame.

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

@Max

The only one in the sphere that has taught me as much redpill truth as Rollo is probably Patrice Oneal.

Listen to all of the Black Philip Show on youtube and anything else you can find by that guy.

I’m listening to Black Philip #4 right now and it’s all about keeping frame.

Give it a listen. I think you will get a lot out of it.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Rollo That’s the point I finally hit where I was able to accept a lot of Red Pill truths that I might have been hesitant to get before. Every relationship is a power struggle, and every time a woman has been in power in my relationships they’ve ended poorly for me. When the relationship was under my control, not only did things end far better for me and at a time of my choosing, but the women were happier the whole time. Given a choice between handing a woman control and leaving things to her whims (because “equal” ALWAYS becomes… Read more »

lh
lh
5 years ago

“I call that holding frame.”

Sounds right. Finally! (would my point add)

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

“I’d rather be a beneficent, loving King than a tyrant. But if I have to be a tyrant or an equal, I’ll be a tyrant.” Lol, my dad often described our family as a ‘benevolent dictatorship’ and ruled with a firm & loving hand. He was (and still is) a natural alpha. My brother and I had the best male role model and boy could ask for. We learned how to shoot, fish, & hunt. Self-reliance, integrity, honor, intellectual curiosity, critical thinking… everything I am, I got from my dad. Needless to say, he continues to be my one &… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“Isn’t it always like that? There is a reason it’s called holding frame. Cave didn’t enforce the rules, no question he gave up the frame.” My whole point Lh, was that ‘yes’ they will unconsciously take the frame if you give it up, but they will also consciously, deliberately, methodically pretend to give up that frame for their own agenda if given an ultimatum. And “I’ll come back if you do XYZ” is an ultimatum. If he has to give an ultimatum, he has ALREADY lost. This is why I stated that ultimately it was just her frame all along.… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“I’d rather be a beneficent, loving King than a tyrant. But if I have to be a tyrant or an equal, I’ll be a tyrant.”

Absolutely.

But still a king. And if the people of the kingdom keep trying to overthrow the crown? There will be hell.

In this case, I throw her ass out of the kingdom.

My being a tyrant has only lead to obligated compliance. Meh, I’ve got too many other options to tolerate that bullshit.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Schadenfreude – Not a fan of Aaron Clarey as his vids are quite pseudo-intellectual, and he comes off as quite the dick so I never read his book. I have been living inside my own little bubble about this for a while and I guess my point was that the stupid TV show shocked me so hard that I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I don’t watch much TV and I don’t participate in the popular culture – none of that doesn’t mean it isn’t vital. It’s what this signals about the world and it’s a symptom. I guess… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@scribblerg

If we rant, nothing changes. If we do things, we at the very least change.

I’d call that a victory no matter how small it might be.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@IAS Re: The Four Loves, LOTR I was raised on a steady diet of the Inklings. I remember Lewis saying in the ‘Four Loves’ that people once regarded masculine friendships as the most. ‘fully human’ of relationships. Evidently I didn’t fully swallow the pill at the time, but ah well. It helped in the end. It is true that LOTR has male friendships as its central relationships. Tolkien began writing his mythos in the trenches of WWI, and he knew what camaraderie looked like. I’ve heard people call the relationship between Frodo and Sam homoerotic. I thank them for doing… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Keyser – Many of my friend’s wives hate me too, but I can always charm them into being nice and even flirty when I want to. They get scared when their hubby’s hang out with me and I just love it. They often shit-test me when face to face and my usual response is just a smirk…he-he.;

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Oregon Shooter Update: Turns out that this guy was considered disabled with severe Aspergers. Just like in the Adam Lanza case, his mother bought him guns and ammo and facilitated his fetishization of guns and violence. I wonder, are we going to hear about toxic femininity now? Are we going to hear about how young men need fathers? Are we going to even hear these two cases tied together? When I was listening to the discussion of his mom’s behavior on the radio news, no connection was made to Adam Lanza and his dipshit mother – yet its so obvious.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

The problem with Gramscian Counter-hegemony is that it worked. And it still is working and it is nearly impossible to to overcome without intellectual hegemony. The dumber people become, the harder it is to overcome. Reminds me of the movie “Idiocracy”: “Idiocracy is a 2006 American satirical science fiction comedy film directed by Mike Judge and starring Luke Wilson, Maya Rudolph, Dax Shepard, and Terry Crews. The film tells the story of two people who take part in a top-secret military hibernation experiment, only to awaken 500 years later in a dystopian society where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism have… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

Aaron Clarey is an asshole, not a dick. 🙂

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@SJF – Don’t get me wrong, your reply and commentary on Schadenfreude was quite interesting, Clarey aside. Even dickheads make good points sometimes (perhaps I’m a case in point, lol?). I guess I just find after moving out of my cynicism and torpor a new need for action and resolve, ya know? What pisses me off most? Our enemies are shit. They aren’t tough – we just haven’t organized to fight back. Of course, at this point it will take force. It will take a revolution actually. That’s my hesitation, and something one should hesitate about for a very long… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@kfg, At the risk of splitting hairs…I admit I am not a historical expert, but I have read a decent amount on the subject. Yes, I know their armor was ornamentally enhanced, like a B.C. Batman. The movie (and book) takes liberties stylistically showing them almost unarmored apart from shields and helmets, but historically they had metal armor which gave them a huge advantage over most non-Greek opponents. As far as ripped or not… Perhaps “ripped” is over the top. I did not mean they all looked like Conan the barbarian, but by today’s standard male these guys would have… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Remember, these are Spartans. These guys did nothing but train for war, and they were trained to carry hold spears while bearing large shields, spears which they had to thrust forward repeatedly with enough force to cause injury. All this wearing armor which had considerable weight to it. Just marching around with that crap is going to take core strength.” And that is endurance training. If you wish to train for strength, muscle mass and leanness you would have to forgo most of the marching and fighting training. And the ultimate control on mass is not exercise. ” . .… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Addendum: The maximum number of calories contained in food then is exactly the same as it is now: 9 Calories per gram.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@KFG – Things I wish I knew a long time ago. In the most intense resistance training binges I did in the past, I would always do mad cardio right afterwards – and muscle mass simply did not come. I did get stronger and somewhat leaner but I never reached that tipping point. Now I never do cardio on a lift day and do it in smaller, more intense doses on off days as I am trying to condition myself for skiing and maybe even some easy ice climbing this winter where endurance really matters. Currently nursing a tweaked bicep… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Further note: Coca-Cola, one of our modern, high Calorie “food” items, is, rounding up, .39 Calories per gram.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Rollo:
“Life is too short to fuck women who consider sex an obligation and not a joy.”

This…This…& THIS!!!!

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Scribbler: You’re welcome, and I’m gratified.

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@KFG, Ok, so maybe I can learn some stuff here. It would NOT be the first time). I certainly was clueless when I came to Red Pill, and I am also certainly not a fitness buff. I hate to ask these questions because I might find I have always done shit wrong when it comes to exercise as well as women. Let me ask a few clarifying questions if I may. If it is easier to link to stuff that explains it, feel free. I do want to learn. “Remember, these are Spartans…Just marching around with that crap is going… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Seraph.. “..If you wanted me to train a skinny fat hipster to look like the statue of Ares, I might well exercise him for half an hour a week and insist that he spend the rest of his time sofa bound. If I could get him to eat some hamburgers he could take a few 20 minute walks.” KFG is correct. Rest after exercise is when growth takes place. The skinny hipster would need to lift at close to his maximum for a shorter period to set up an increase in size, then rest to set growth into motion. It’s… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

scribblerg – ” I guess we are meant to believe that they are being productive in a ‘different’ way.”

Diversity = strength I’m told.

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@Blaximus,

Ok, so if I understand this…we are talking about weight training as opposed to cardio exercise?

And what I recently started doing was deadlifts, squats and overhead presses, 3 reps of 5x, 3 times a week, a day of rest in between. I have been slowly increasing the weight on each exercise, pausing the weight increase on particular exercise if it proves challenging.

Am I doing it too often?

But then again, I have not reached my max for with either the squats or press yet, so, is that schedule okay?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@scribblerg ” Now I never do cardio on a lift day and do it in smaller, more intense doses on off days as I am trying to condition myself for skiing and maybe even some easy ice climbing this winter where endurance really matters. ” Boy, do I hear you. Unfortunately at my age…well..we’re almost the same age, I really need the cardio for circulatory benefits. I try to get by as you do, with cardio on non lifting days. I know I am killing growth by doing 30-45 minutes of cardio, even on off days. Plus, I’m finding gaining… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Seraph, ” And what I recently started doing was deadlifts, squats and overhead presses, 3 reps of 5x, 3 times a week, a day of rest in between. I have been slowly increasing the weight on each exercise, pausing the weight increase on particular exercise if it proves challenging.” KFG is better at explaining. What you want to do is have a day of rest between lifting. You rest the muscle group you worked out. Rest=repair & growth. And you are doing ” sets ” which are comprised of a number of ” reps”. If your looking for mass/muscle size… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@Blaximus,

Ok. Got it. Thanks. I am purposefully taking it slow because as you can tell I am new to this, being careful not to injure myself.

I remember some of you guys having some detailed discussions about this stuff a while back, but I was not focusing on it back then.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Seraph – “I understand it builds endurance, but why does not carrying around heavy equipment, having to hold heavy equipment and wield it with force not build up your muscles?” It does it makes them stronger. It doesn’t necessarily make them bigger. Do you train for strength, appearance, or size? For the 1984 Olympics they made a pair of nude statures to represent the male and female athletic forms. The male was modeled of of one of the guys on the US men’s water polo team. As a swimmer he was larger, and bulkier than many other athletes because he… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Seraph,

Good luck!! Remember – heavier weight for fewer reps = growth

Lighter weight for higher reps = endurance.

Learn all you can. There are a thousand opinions on lifting and everyone is correct to a greater extent. Youtube my friend.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago
Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Seraph Gonna play hard and fast with the details here, but here’s the overview. -How big you get is most strongly influenced by how much you eat. The activity you do tells your body what sort of tissues to make from that food – muscle for needed activity, fat for ‘hibernation’ times, etc. -That said, what you eat is very important for many reasons as well, so don’t just stuff yourself with crap. -The body adapts to the strongest exertion you put it to. Even a few brief sprints make your body good at running fast, even for much longer… Read more »

TealSeal
TealSeal
5 years ago

Great Post!

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“I understand it builds endurance, but why does not carrying around heavy equipment, having to hold heavy equipment and wield it with force not build up your muscles?” Because across history the weight of gear has remained a relatively constant 60 lbs. That is what a man can effectively carry and fight with. 60 lbs is not a lot of weight to lift just once. The squat record, for instance, is 1260 lbs. A spear might weigh 10 lbs. which might seem heavy for a spear, but even little girls can curl 10 lbs for reps. It simply doesn’t put… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Here’s an actual Spartan amphora, circa 480 BC:

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/96069-004-49AB00B1.jpg

Great quads, skinny arms.

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

Ah-HA!

Told you I would learn something.

Damn.

One last question:

But we fool the repair process, Grandma, and add more weight to the bar next time.

What happens when you reach a limit? If I understand it it, if you end up lifting the same weight repeatedly, you are now building endurance. How does one avoid that?

And I like what you are telling me. Yeah, I want to lose weight and look better, but my primary goal is building strength.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . if you end up lifting the same weight repeatedly, you are now building endurance. How does one avoid that?” As above, add weight to the bar. Don’t “work out.” Train like an athlete. Pick an objective goal, more weight, more speed, whatever, and aim your training toward that goal. Once a week or so attempt a personal record. If you do it right you will need a full week to recover. The rule of thumb is that if a dozen reps (while maintaining form) doesn’t bring you to failure, you’re working too light. Your slow twitch… Read more »

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