Peak Hypergamy

Peak_Hypergamy

Commenter Divided Line came on with such a strong take on Our Sisters’ Keeper I had to riff on it:

Hypergamy is a given and it’s not going anywhere. But even if women’s sexuality is biologically rooted, their rationalizations for it aren’t possible without a compliant culture. So long as women are the damsels, the victims who are put upon by the cruel and all powerful patriarchy, so long as men are perceived to be powerful and free in a way that they clearly are not nor have ever been, open hypergamy is possible. After all, any guy who points it out or complains about it is branded an embittered loser, a misogynist, a creep, and so on, but I wonder to what degree this will change as red pill awareness spreads and penetrates the mainstream. I mean, how long do we think that men will go on smiling and nodding when it’s increasingly the case that more and more of us can see what bullshit all of this is?

What it makes me think of is Alana Massey’s Dickonomics article.

If you haven’t already read it, she goes on and on about how male attention is abundant and cheap, proving that women are well aware of what men who bother with online dating realized from the start. She recognizes the extreme degree of power this gives her before hamstering it away with this:

“Some will read my gleeful rejections on the many faces I encounter on Tinder as evidence of a disturbing uptick in malevolent, anti-male sentiments among single straight women. It is not. It is evidence of us arriving nearer to gender equilibrium where men can no longer happily judge the clear and abundant photos and carefully crafted profiles of women but become incensed when they take the opportunity to do the same.”

How many times have you seen this? All venality, cruelty, selfishness, indifference, etc is justified, of course, because men have it so good, women have it so bad, blah blah etc. So she can write something like this and the sisterhood will nod their heads and no doubt be able to ignore doubt or second thoughts in regards to their atrocious, destructive, and cruel treatment of the opposite sex. Women, like people who rationalize generally, tend to think in bogus bumper sticker one liners because they provide excuses not to think for themselves. And men, after all, just saunter about in the patriarchal torture dungeon of a society free and powerful, and pluck women from the trees before discarding them like jizz towels, so naturally, why should she consider their complexity as human beings or ever recognize what a rotten, horrible human being she is? They’re free to retaliate against men for women’s imaginary oppression.

But how long will they be able to keep employing these rationalizations and getting away with it if the public dialog changes? And it has already begun to change. I’ve watched it happen over the last year. You see more and more disclaimers in articles which appeal to the you-go-girl crowd. It really does seem as if there is a growing awareness that they are full of shit, or at the very least, that maybe there are moral complexities and obligations that come with female social power, to the degree that they are even willing to recognize that power.

Hypergamy isn’t going anywhere, but since men increasingly are comparing notes now and voicing their criticism of women’s bullshit (at least online), maybe it really isn’t the case that women are going to be able to continue this bullshit with public sanction. Is this wishful thinking?

I’ve made the case in several other blog comment and forum threads, but it’s getting almost too easy to point out women’s overt embrace of Open Hypergamy. There was a time – only 4 short years ago – that I would be run up the flagpole for publishing my observations on the ins and outs of women’s sexual strategy. Women in the blogosphere hated the fact that I was exposing their Game. They didn’t like the idea that I was informing men about the plan women had for them or the part they played, and by informing them it represented a fundamental threat to the long term success (and essentially their long term security) of that plan.

If you’re feeling nostalgic you can skim through the comments of posts like Wait For It? or The Threat:

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.

[…]

Race to Awareness

Because of women’s relatively short window of peak sexual viability it is imperative that men be as unaware of their slower, but progressively increasing SMV for as long as possible in order for them to achieve the prime directive of female hypergamy; realize the best genetic options and the best provisioning options she has the capacity to attract in that peak window. If Men become aware of their SMV before a woman can consolidate on her options with monogamous commitment her sexual strategy is defeated.

The mistake (and the binary retort) is to think this need for contrivances was concocted in whole as some grand sisterhood conspiracy. This just proves an ignorance of social constructs. For a social contrivance to be such, it necessitates being repeated by society WITHOUT a formal conception – meaning we learn the contrivance from seeing it, internalizing it and repeating it ourselves without forethought. The best social contrivances are inconspicuous and rarely questioned because they’ve been learned without having been formally taught. This is why I think encouraging men NOT to bother trying to understand women is in itself a social convention. Don’t look at that man behind the curtain, just accept it for what it is, enjoy the show, you’re better off that way, the Mighty Oz has spoken.

This is the threat that Game represents to the feminine imperative. Widely shared, objective assessments of Men’s SMV and how it develops is the antithesis of the female sexual strategy. Women’s greatest fear is that they could become the ‘selected’ instead of the ‘selectors’.

Bear in mind I wrote this years before I published Preventive Medicine. This was also only a few years before I formally identified women’s embrace of openly, proudly, flaunting their sexual strategy. I can remember being soundly rebuked by women denying they adhered to anything so callous as an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks schedule with regard to men.

There was a certain nervous undertone that accompanied their shaming that revealed how protective they were of keeping the plan as ambiguous and secretive as possible from men in general. For every acknowledgement of the biological influences of Ovulatory Shift behaviors by these women there was always an obligatory, “yes, but, people are people, we’re above all that, it’s what’s on the inside that counts, NAWALT” intended to offset the ugliness of it.

Now, the same women who adamantly denied what their functionally opportunistic concept of love represents; the same women who rejected the idea of an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy openly and triumphantly boast about it. It’s become a source not only of agency, but a proud admission of perceived power on the part of women.

At some point the social impetus behind Open Hypergamy became so blatantly obvious they could no longer deny the truth of it. The Genie was out and it was more advantageous to not only to welcome it, but to brandish and profit from forcing men to accept it. Thus we have Open Hypergamy both subtly and triumphantly waved in our mainstream advertising, our pop-culture, our social media, our music and even the movies we take our kids to enjoy.

To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.
– George Orwell

I expect most of the worst aspects of Open Hypergamy (Overt Hypergamy if you prefer) are fairly obvious to my readers. Even the now the subtle influence in the media and advertising becomes not-so-subtle for men accustomed to seeing things with a Red Pill Lens. We can only shake our heads and hope that so blatant a confession of relishing power in Hypergamy on the part of unaware men will come to light for them.

Divided Line raises a very poignant observation – what’s next? What’s the natural progression?

Hypergamy isn’t going anywhere, but since men increasingly are comparing notes now and voicing their criticism of women’s bullshit (at least online), maybe it really isn’t the case that women are going to be able to continue this bullshit with public sanction. Is this wishful thinking?

I think there is a caveat we have to address here first. With Red Pill awareness it gets very easy to slide down the slippery slope and believe that ‘all women’ will have some equal capacity to enforce the worst of Open Hypergamy on men in general. Yes, in a westernizing context, women have an almost unilaterally state-backed influence on enforcing men’s de facto participation in Hypergamy by order of degree. However, it’s important to remember that men’s willing participation or coercion in it is still (as yet) limited by women’s capacity to attract and involve them.

Men want (and yes, need) sex and will find behavioral and psychological adaptations and workarounds to get it. That may be MGTOW, prostitution, porn or an as yet developed alternative of virtual sex. It may be Red Pill awareness and applied Game, it may be a self-aligning push to pander to the most extreme elements of the Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks ends of Hypergamy, or it may be upping fame or a false social proof (via personality politicking on social media) that makes for men’s future adaptations.

Peak Hypergamy

I’m not a prognosticator about such things, but I can make logical estimates based on observations. One thing is for certain, and I discussed this with Niko in our talk, intersexual politicking and the condition of women will reach a ‘Peak Hypergamy’ state in the not too distant future. There will indeed come a point when even Blue Pill men will be unable to ignore so gross a power imbalance between the sexes.

There’s been some debate as to whether there’s some socially conscious ‘marriage strike’ in the manosphere for some time, and I think marriage statistics being at an all time low bear much of this out. I don’t think this is the result of some nascent MGTOW awakening, but rather a deductive, peripheral, general awareness men have of Open Hypergamy in our current social order at the moment.

Just as a last aside here, let me state that I am aware of the more militant, absolutists of MGTOW belaboring the idea that ‘the juice aint worth the squeeze’ and the dangers of even approaching a woman risk his being accused of sexual harassment, much less having recreational sex with her leaving a man open to post-sex regret-rape allegation. I get that. It’s part of the ascension toward a ‘Peak Hypergamy’ social state. My question is whether these men would find it worth their while to engage with women if their fears were removed in a post Peak State social order? Some may even live long enough to have to figure that out for themselves.

I think Divided Line is correct – there will come a state when Open Hypergamy’s power consolidation becomes too obvious and the social mechanics the Feminine Imperative has used to ensure that consolidation will be too much for women to maintain as a collective. Then what? What will women rationalize for themselves when they realize their monster has become too much?

I’ll reiterate it again; socially, it didn’t take long for women to transition from a secretive Hypergamy to an open display of it. The same women who called AF/BB the imaginings of misogynous men only 4 years ago are now proudly claiming it as truth (they knew all along) and a means to a power they’ve always had and should openly use.

The social, political and personal stress point of Peak Hypergamy is coming. It may take a bit longer, but there will come a point where even women will be forced to recognize the consequences of legislating their hubris.

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Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

“Totally ridiculous, Tomassi. You have managed to build a cultian following based on nothing more then false paradigms, bad science, and endless sexual rhetoric, and that is somewhat amusing.” If there is anyone who knows anything about endless rhetoric, it be you, sweets. ****************** So, is Peak Hypergamy the same thing as the Bursting of the Misandry Bubble, or are they two separate things, one following right after the other? Seems like the latter. The high-water mark of Hypergamy reaches full crescendo, becomes unstable, and crashes, falling on the Misandry Bubble, bursting it. So what will that look like? My… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

I suppose I should give you credit for not preaching this nonsense in Christ’s name. That’s something, anyway.

IB, you have your own bilge that you preach in Christ’s name.

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
6 years ago

@redlight I’ve met both men, and I will not discuss any man’s true height in comments under this essay, but I will say that BBT made me feel tall. Brad Pitt is cast in his “real life” role (his marriage, the children, etc) so that 99% of men will continue to learn the that being Beta is what they are supposed to be. Therefore, we have 99% of men believing -as Rollo has written – that they are ‘cursed with masculinity’. Brad Pitt is cast in Alpha roles because, as Brad Pitt in “real life” he’s seen as the Beta… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

“There is no one” This to me is one of your greatest statements and it is the beginning of your first book. I consider it very crucial to the individual who seeks to understand these realities which you are excellent at describing from several perspectives. In my opinion, everything FI and hypergamous is enabled by the soul mate myth or one of its derivatives. Life value and self-value based upon any such relationship (even slightly indulged) is precarious and doomed by design. In “Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite” you explained how the PUA potentially sets himself up for doom.… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

It may have been said because I skipped some comments, but the Ashley Madison thing, as has been pointed out, gave me the thought that it may not be necessarily something women do that causes the tipping point. But something that white knights do that causes men to finally get fed up with things. Maybe it will coincide with an intrusion into male spaces that’s to a degree to cause some of the biggest identifiers to turn skeptics. All the Rhonda Rousey stories and quotes just have me thinking someday, somebody’s going to get tired of the boasting about what… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“she married him 10 years later”

Good dog.

“Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashley Madison Account”

Oooooo, that’s gonna leave a mark.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
6 years ago

@Sam

Well said, and it further blows holes in the apex fallacy for anyone still clinging to that line of thinking.

As Rollo has stated many, many times—and it bears repeating continually, “Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.”

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Not Born This Morning – “Why is ‘cheating’ a problem?”

Paternity and related investments.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Water Cannon Boy:

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

“Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashley Madison Account” Keep in mind that anyone who had the ability to hack into AM may also have ability to plant info/accounts. Having said that, if this is accurate, it is fucking funny AND instructive. I believe in God, and value religion, but I have to say I have been questioning more and more a lot of precepts, particularly in regards to sexuality. Now, it could be that as society has changed, those precepts make less sense than they did previously, but I also don’t see things like I used to. I think there… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Saw that video KFG. And of course he got booed. But that’s a female marine that evokes the “she’s just a girl” reaction as demonstrated.
I’m talking about reaching the point where even beta indentifiers will say can we go ahead and have somebody like Rousey fight a man that doesn’t have to be a trained fighter himself. Just maybe really willing.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

I think we’re well past that. Rousey already has a herd of fan boys who believe she can, and want to see, her kick a man’s ass. She’s handled by a team of shrewd professionals, so the match will never happen.

Well, maybe when people start asking “Rhonda who?” they’ll arrange a set up match for one last big pay day.

ace
ace
6 years ago

insanitybytes22

August 19th, 2015 at 6:07 pm

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

Just watched the Inside Out and Ex’s and Oh’s videos. Not sure what to make of it. Sure, it’s blatantly open Hypergamy. Are we reaching a peak? Maybe. But what difference does it make? My only options in this environment are to learn Game and be the most like those ‘hawt’ guys in the music video if I want to get laid. Obviously not literally, but figuratively — be the guy that women want to be a slut for. Or continue to wallow in sexless self pity and/or just be celibate. Where hypergamy is or isn’t going doesn’t change the… Read more »

lichthof
lichthof
6 years ago

I think social media validation has reached its peak and is declining. Any girls I know or work with who are 25 – 35 are rarely on Facebook now. The hot girls on Facebook who have 4,000 friends have realized most of these guys are low value Omega or Betas and are not worth shit really and any interest in them.us suoerficial. The novelty has worn off. I have had a Facebook account for nearly ten years now and when Facebook dies and the fad passes we will wonder what did Facebook ever achieve?

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

“…what did Facebook ever achieve?”

I think of a couple of marriages the ended with Facebook’s help. That’s something.

lichthof
lichthof
6 years ago

Interesting report on NPR (ugh) about women completing combat training in the army. Out of the 90 women who trained only 2 were successful so …..wait for it…the army is now considering lowering the standards so more women can be succesful. Positive discrimination, feminism, FI, communism, race to the bottom..

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Stingray
Basically, I’m wondering if that loss of status and competitive advantage will have attractive women turning on open hypergamy.

Short answer: Nnno….
/Jesse_Stone

Longer answer: that will only happen when all other alternatives, including soft harems and probably polygamy, have failed.

Because 5 minutes of Alpha…

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

Also, thank God for dogs. I got a puppy last year. She’s down here with me right now. If you want something that will fully appreciate the love that you give it, get a dog. Even dogs might not be all sunshine and lollipops, but still. Every day I come home she’s all over me. Follows me around like a shadow. They don’t call them man’s best friend for nothing. Seriously. It makes the hypergamy stuff easier to deal with. Women are primarily for sex. Sure, there’s intimacy involved in the having of sex itself. But beyond that? If you’re… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@sam “I’ve met both men, and I will not discuss any man’s true height in comments under this essay, but I will say that BBT made me feel tall.” Still Billy Bob’s relationship history (it is quite something) and knowing that Tea Leoni (Duchovny’s wife at the time) ditched the kids to follow BBT’s band around the country all point to him being AF, regardless of height (the “nobody can be taller than a star except for the villain” rule results in some very short casts) . BBT also gives interesting interviews. Pitt, who knows what’s real or not. We… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Very nice….In other words…you can’t lie to everyone all the time. From the Vanity Fair article in the previous post, “Post Selection” we can see women lamenting the lack of a desire to commit by men they ‘meet on Tinder’…we also see articles where men are shamed for not ‘manning up’, for not being chivalrous, for not calling back the next day, for having options.. And from the replies of men, red pill or otherwise we are beginning to see, whether in HuffPo, DailyMail articles and such reinforcing hamster soliloquy and solipsism…that men are like “Check these bitches”…”‘Fuck outta here… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Rollo-san, could you please have someone record the presentations, audio or video, for those of us on the other side of this planet?

PS: sorry about mistakes in rephrasing Matrix quote peeps, sure you get it tho’.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Even dogs might not be all sunshine and lollipops, but still.

Training a dog is good discipline. The dog wants and needs a pack leader, not a friend. Dogs can’t speak human, so we have to learn to speak dog, and to be the pack leader. Make the bitch, or male as the case may be, understand who’s the boss.

Yes. A man should have a dog.

Thoroughbred
Thoroughbred
6 years ago

@ Rollo “I’m curious as to how many husbands are the initiators of an open marriage. Considering that a woman would statistically have substantially more opportunity to engage in extramarital sex, and a man would not only need to maintain his burden of performance with his wife, but also any woman he might engage with outside the marriage it strikes me that women are the primary initiators and arbiters of an open marriage arrangement.” I think that’s probably right, but I also believe that there are strategies and circumstances that could really play to the man’s advantage in an open… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

@Badpainter “I refused to be dragged down to their level of constant fear, anxiety, and eternal wanting.” That’s gold in every sense of how profoundly true it applies to human beings. @kfg “You can’t dominate by permission.” Mindset mindset mindset @Not born this morning “What else is left other than for women to display their behavior and “peak” any higher than openly fucking multiple men in public?” That’s the trauma that got me into the red pill. Only it happened on the place I slept. “The real problem is a failure to accept separateness, individuality and autonomy. A man dooms… Read more »

Lucien
Lucien
6 years ago

The thing that pisses me off is that now you’ve got this relentless push to put women in everything, combat roles, ninjas, action heroes, knights and shit . . . They are literally incapable of doing any of these things. Women cannot fucking fight men. But you get endless rote articles in the new york times complaining that there aren’t enough women superheroes and ninjas and shit. Does anybody care that there are no historical examples of them doing any of this shit? Because they are physically incapable of doing it? Men are built to destroy. Women are built to… Read more »

Lucien
Lucien
6 years ago

Several women on the comments to that history of the world youtube video made the explicit comparison to Tinder . . . you’ve been warned!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Demonstrate not explicate

Yes. Overexplaining is not just a waste of time, it’s a DLV.

rawr
rawr
6 years ago

Not gonna lie rollo this whole women’s collective manipulation over mankind is some illuminati level shit bro. on the one hand everything you say makes complete sense. on the other hand, holy fucking shit that’s some next level shit stains the species has been carrying around for millenia. are we ever going to outgrow this? I believe in things like virtue, morality. finding the red pill i started to see women as worthy of 0 respect, a dog who licks his nads makes better decisions than women do, and I can barely get it hard knowing where she’s probably been,… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Rollo -“My question is whether these men would find it worth their while to engage with women if their fears were removed in a post Peak State social order? Some may even live long enough to have to figure that out for themselves.” I believe a good number would. It’s one thing to endure the rejection, and BS, and shaming, etc. that existed 20 years ago but the new order with the doxxing, nuclear rejections, never ending sensitivity training, and of course the creeping criminalization of any male sexual approach significantly raises the price of commodity that is ever decreasing… Read more »

Otsnarc
Otsnarc
6 years ago

I really want to add to this bb. Something insightful but i think everything has been covered by Rollo and others. Just like to say thank you to Rollo, for what its worth i’ve got both your both books, pride of place on the book shelf and continue to read all your posts. ÝI’ve been bought up beta, no question, by western society. My dad has amazing frame which to be honest i never got, my mum has always be supportive i think because of this. Different times, the system was in place, 1945 they were born. I was born… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

There was a reproduction strike in the 1930s (I don’t know if a marriage strike went with it) caused by economics. I do not think that the marriage strike of today is completely divorced from economics.

M Simon
6 years ago
bnon
bnon
6 years ago

Lucien: “The thing that pisses me off is that now you’ve got this relentless push to put women in everything, combat roles, ninjas, action heroes, knights and shit . . . They are literally incapable of doing any of these things. ”

Suitable as you talked about eastern religions yesterday. Women in full burqas are more and more common around Germany (and France, of course), and I’ve heard some people calling them “ninjas”.

http://i.imgur.com/muAUCu7.jpg

They often wear colorful sneakers under their black burkas, too.

thedeclineandfall
6 years ago
Reply to  bnon

@bnon

Great comment. The burka is indeed the hottest growth fashion in every European country for sure.

M Simon
6 years ago

SD
August 19th, 2015 at 12:45 am

Prohibition is ending in part because of knowledge disseminated on the ‘net. Open Hypergamy will be understood (even if not immediately countered) the same way. There is a lag in politics.

M Simon
6 years ago

Rollo, I do not agree entirely with this: Women’s greatest fear is that they could become the ‘selected’ instead of the ‘selectors’. For a LTR it is essential that the woman be the selector. But she has to do that in competition with other women. SHE has to decide she is going to “keep” you no matter how much competition she has. To make the LTR work she has to understand that she is not the only fish in the sea. She has to make up her mind she is going to be the best fish in your sea. And… Read more »

eric
eric
6 years ago

You guys have no idea how many dudes are embarrassed that they actually had social power in this country just because they had sex with beautiful women, and beautiful women here in the US were full of arrogance. All of this behind the scenes. Poorer countries and other western societies would shake their heads if they knew the social atmosphere here. They are full of confidence and they can do a lot of damage to people who threaten them, to the point where they’ll harass you till you go crazy, etc.

bnon
bnon
6 years ago

eric: Who has what kind of power through having sex with women? Who wants to harm whom?

M Simon
6 years ago

rugby11ljh
August 20th, 2015 at 12:36 am

I’m in a rather long LTR (40+ years). I demonstrate and explicate. It makes her defeat more complete. It sends the message, “I understand you. You are powerless to resist.”

I would not do that in the beginning. But once you are well established it can be helpful.

And to some one up thread who suggested teaching their son’s Red Pill. All my sons are Red Pill. The daughter doesn’t want to know about it. She will have to learn the hard way.

M Simon
6 years ago

Softek
August 19th, 2015 at 9:23 pm

She will (conditionally) love you unconditionally as long as she thinks she has competition. 😉

M Simon
6 years ago

insanitybytes22
August 19th, 2015 at 6:52 pm

A little something to give you a Roosh.

A Rape Advocate Is Targeting Canadian Women In an Online Harassment Campaign

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-rape-advocate-is-targeting-canadian-women-in-an-online-harassment-campaign?trk_source=popular

Desdinova Superstar
6 years ago

I like how fugly Elle King is, but portrays to be effortlessly attracting and dumping men as if she’s the queen bee.

As far as the peak of open hypergamy, it will take the media time to play “catch up” in reflecting it, so we’ll likely be locked in the peak for a few years before the masses fully embrace it and have it shift in the opposite direction.

M Simon
6 years ago

Seraph
August 19th, 2015 at 7:22 pm

I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yardstick of convention.

http://deoxy.org/annex/Eight_Lectures_on_Yoga.pdf

M Simon
6 years ago

The Remnant August 19th, 2015 at 9:38 am While a 22 year old female is aware of her shining star SMV in part because of all the same aged and older males vying for her attention, few males are similarly positioned at that age. I was very lucky at age 17.9 I met a unicorn. A woman who knew herself and taught me the rudiments of Red Pill. What is even rarer is that it was in ’62 when intellectual knowledge of the subject was near non-existent. She liked breaking in virgins. Yipeee! It took me until I was about… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Thoroughbred

Good for you! Chasing wife, happy life.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

“The burka is indeed the hottest growth fashion in every European country for sure.”

Only because the typical burka wearing people are the only growth demographic in Europe.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Had a scary thought last night. What would evolution choose? Peak hypergamy or a balanced market? What if we’re fighting a battle that will never be won?

It reminds me of unfettered capitalism. Capital will always flow to the top. Pussy will always flow to the top. Actually… I’m not so sure the two aren’t directly related. Unequal wealth distribution = unequal pussy distribution? It would be interesting to compare marriage rates to Gini coefficients across cultures.

We need market intervention.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” What if we’re fighting a battle that will never be won? ”

Forces in opposition is what balance is.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Andy – “We need market intervention.” I was thinking along similar lines. If the top 20% get the pussy and the money then they have created a perfect system. The top 20% pay most of the taxes as well so they are subsidizing open hypergamy which should further guarantee the greatest possible sexual access by diminishing the status of the middle 60% by reducing the necessity of betabux. The top 20% also has the ability to engage in rent seeking that blocks out competition, and regulates the various markets to their favor. Since that group will comprise business, entertainment, academic,… Read more »

Thelien
Thelien
6 years ago

@Lucien “The thing that pisses me off is that now you’ve got this relentless push to put women in everything, combat roles, ninjas, action heroes, knights and shit . . . They are literally incapable of doing any of these things.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_post-classical_warfare There was one knight order for women who defended their town when men refused to hold it (the Catalonian Order of the Hatchet), and some queens/ladies rode armed as knights and led armies. Female ninjas did not fight but gathered intelligence in disguise. Samurai daughters, however, were not exempt from military training with spear and bow. In both… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

@ M Simon I can vouch for the competition thing. The one girl that’s craziest about me right now and would literally do anything at all with me that I wanted knows that there’s competition. I wasn’t even seeing other girls at the time but she was convinced I was. She sees me as having tons of options, gets paranoid about me talking to other girls, and the competition anxiety is very clear. Of course, a big part of that is she’s seriously overweight. I never said anything mean to her about it. I just made it clear that it… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

There are studies on Gini coefficients and marriage rates (quite a few actually). There appears to be a correlation.

http://www.aebrjournal.org/uploads/6/6/2/2/6622240/jaebr-2015-74.pdf

I take this to mean that there aren’t enough Beta Bux out there to marry. Sooo might as well fuck the alphas and be single moms. And probably keep a few low quality Beta’s on the side to mow the lawn lift heavy things.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

“I take this to mean that there aren’t enough Beta Bux out there to marry”

This is true, and it means that decent BB 27+ are in demand. By in demand it means women want to extract great quantities of time and money from them, and are willing to fuck them to do so. Thus decent BBs will get fucked, both in bed and in life.

eric
eric
6 years ago

@ bnon “eric: Who has what kind of power through having sex with women? Who wants to harm whom” A minority, they’re literally famous across states just for this. In Mexico they just laugh at people for this, the arrogance and putting girls on a pedestal AFTER having sex with beautiful women, lol. It’s in the culture, from what I’ve noticed since i came back from Mexico. They develop such an ego, that everyone loves them, social power, that if you cross them they will start harassing you, by spreading rumors and limiting the girls you get lol. this happened… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

I guess Sharon Stone’s newest interview will start making the rounds if it hasn’t already. Since she’s the poster girl for several of women’s memes or tropes, which ever is more accurate. Girl power, beauty never fades, a woman’s experience, being successful intimidates men, etc..
57 years old and self described as abrasively direct, she thinks it’s stupid that nobody asks her out on dates.

Oblivion
Oblivion
6 years ago

Just wanted to thank you Rollie. I have been reading u since about a year after u started. I’m ready to get married and start a family and was really able to pick out a good wife based off of your and dalrocks writings. I found a farm girl (no entitlement complex) from a solid family. When we we started dating I was spinning plenty of plates and didn’t hide it. (Preselection) starting dating her just as she turned 25. She was no virgin, but I placed an emphasis on finding a woman who never shacked up with another man.… Read more »

Thelien
Thelien
6 years ago

By the way, fanboying over the collapse of civilization as a means to prove an ideology is pathetic. We call such losers “ass-a-holics” because ass also means “a really bad situation” in Russian. They’re basically post-apocalypse roleplayers, and no one outside their cults centered around several politicized bloggers takes them seriously.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Thelien

@Softek “With ‘hotter’ girls you can get this idea that they’re different, and get intimidated, afraid of losing them, etc. — — and then you’ve already lost at that point.” Learning this the hard way but it’s my way out of blue pill shit. @Andy “I take this to mean that there aren’t enough Beta Bux out there to marry. Sooo might as well fuck the alphas and be single moms. And probably keep a few low quality Beta’s on the side to mow the lawn lift heavy things.” Sister proves this with both her daughter and son. Son alpha… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Rollo, did you see this over at a Purple Pill blog (where the owner sells fried ice)? 4.Masculine appreciation of the female gender and a man’s love of a woman begins with self-respect that enables respect of someone else. Feminine appreciation of the male gender and a woman’s love of a man begins with her self-love that enables her to share it with someone else. As if women want to be respected more by men than they want to be loved or men want to be loved by a woman more than they want to be respected. And this: 5.Think… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Oblivion

Gamer maxim: “Pussy is just pussy.”

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

Today’s Dear Abby: In my family alone, three young women have — by their own admission — gotten pregnant on purpose to get their boyfriends to marry and support them. None of these marriages worked out. The horrible relationships were and still are hurtful and damaging, not only to the children, but also to the rest of the family. I’m aware of several other women who have admitted to entrapping their baby daddy by “forgetting to take their pills,” so I know this isn’t just happening in my family … Solved by: … you should be aware that no law… Read more »

Sonor Transient (@SonorTx)

and now this bitch opens her media piece with a point-blank headshot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEeF4qeD0Q

why blow your cover?

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

From 1:33 in that women’s viagra video above:

“Women need options.”

Yeah. If they had any more options there would be buffets of naked guys with boners and they’d have their pick of the litter.

Not that it’s really that different from that anyway. Men usually wear clothes in public — that’s about the only difference.

Betas spiking women’s drinks with female Viagra might be in the near future. When it happens, just remember I called it first.

inb4 lawsuits

Seething Lurker
Seething Lurker
6 years ago

@Rollo

Fifty percent of marriages are clinically sexless? Plus a fifty percent divorce rate. Those are some dim odds.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Female led house = sexless marriage.
Equal house = sexless marriage
Male led house = Sex with wife and constant thoughts about hot 20yr olds flashing devilish smiles at you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago

We are probably at peak hypergamy now. AF/BB is not a viable strategy when it is out in the open. It is only being openly admmitted by women because there are a large number of women who have pursued AB, only to receive AF and now have to be reconciled to BB. This is why older women like Sheryl Sandberg are advising women that “over time, nothing is sexier” than BB. It is a message aimed at women who have already been dating the bad boys etc and now dont know what to do with themselves as they reach the… Read more »

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
6 years ago

Which brings up the continuing Pushmi-Pullyu over women positing that over time “nothing is sexier” than BB “nice guys”, oh wait no they aren’t, oh wait yes they are, oh wait no nice guys are worse because they feel “entitled” after abiding by the Covert Contract, oh wait yeah better stick with Alpha Jerkboys who are at least honest, oh wait…. POTRZEBIE

https://suite.io/bailey-poland/6qvq2mv

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

nothing is sexier than extracting lots of time and money

woman shows off engagement ring = look what I extracted

Driver
Driver
6 years ago

“The social, political and personal stress point of Peak Hypergamy is coming.”

It reminds me of the former Soviet Union. I knew at some point it was going to crumble…it was just a matter of when. Even those people started to see the gaps in the so called armor of the people in power.

Open hypergamy is the same and it will only be a matter of time – it will come full circle and be done (or put back in check by society).

stuttie
6 years ago

I know this is taking things rather literally, but there is an unusually big radio campaign on here at the moment for men to donate sperm. They even try the old “are you man enough?” hookline.

Leads me to think, if they’re using expensive radio advertising to get our sperm – it can’t be as cheap as Alan Messey might think.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“are you man enough?”

Behind the curtain, they mean this literally.

“it can’t be as cheap as Alan Messey might think.”

It ain’t sperm they go to a sperm bank for, it’s quality DNA. 100% of the women are looking for 0.1% of the men.

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

@Driver – From all reports the USSR did a nice job of beating down the manstock. For all I know the plutocrats have it even better under Putin. Hypergamy does require betas to fuel it, and the USA still has a high number of betas… in a traditionalist culture with a big split between the haves and have nots, it doesn’t work. The few top men know they can get pussy easily, and the rest have nothing to lose and nothing to get taken. So that society defeats hypergamy, because there are so few trades and flips the average woman… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Striver

One thing I’ve been learning about the red pill and how it applies to my life is how hard it was to make sense out of all the things that hurt me on an intentional basis that I wasn’t aware how to politely get away from. Being taking advantage of in a blue pill state that then becomes a mindset I held onto because I deeply wanted to feel connected to something that said HERE you are with me I see you. I already knew I was expendable and I learned quickly that I was also disposable. What hit home… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

rugby11ljh – “…how hard it was to make sense out of all the things that hurt me on an intentional basis that I wasn’t aware how to politely get away from…” Yes, that is a problem. And it’s a conditioned response designed to minimize negative impacts on Mom’s status amongst her various social circles. Perhaps you can relate to this tortured idea… I was taught from a very young age that if I were a guest in someone’s home I was to defer to the wishes of the host, eat their offered food without complaint, play their games, and not… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Re: Hypergamy Conspiracy
You need that narrow definition if you want to combat men realizing that them exchanging for younger, fresher women isn’t a vice to the supposed virtue of serial monogamy. And that any push for commitment may be a plan to draw a man into her waiting game.
As Rollo has stated numerous times, for one’s to be maximized, the other most be minimized.

ManlyMan
ManlyMan
6 years ago

I see the doddering old fool Simon is back.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  ManlyMan

@Badpainter “As a result I have difficulty extricating myself from social situations which I don’t want to participate in. Even now I find the best, easiest way it to simply say “excuse me” and walk away.” Sometimes I forget “excuse me.” My mom and me will always have a difficult relationship. I put her to sleep as a teenager and she asked me to stay so sleep next her in my boxers and at that point I held her in my arms until I felt incredibly uncomfortable. I wanted to mom to love my dad but that didn’t and doesn’t… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  ManlyMan

@Badpainter Not sure I got the right video uploaded a little drunk since I am a lofty weight but I was at the field I usually practice on and my team isn’t allowed on for a week because of girls soccer and football camp. That’s ok I suppose ended up meeting them at a bar however while at the field I was thinking about hypergamy and the red pill. Some commenter mentioned end of times and got me thinking about films I have scene even at this point I don’t view much TV What would happen if people didn’t have… Read more »

The Tingler
6 years ago

Never fear, gentleman. The future is almost here. http://i.imgur.com/XON5bOk.gif

Otsnarc
Otsnarc
6 years ago

Women will definitely pursue AF’s until it is too late to have children. They absolute loathe fucking BB’s. In a ltr always keep frame.

just getting it
just getting it
6 years ago

It’s funny, but in the UK we had this plan spelled out to us on TV over a decade ago – I guess we weren’t ready to take in the message at the time; We used to have a hospital series called ‘Angels’ a nurse drama. A muslim girl explained to the others (all girls) how she can screw around and get an arranged marriage delivered to her by family arrangement in later years. The other girls seemed to think arranged marriage was a better idea from that, which was probably the idea (pro muslim TV). A more common meme… Read more »

Driver
Driver
6 years ago

@Striver Right. It usually takes something to make this change happen. Whether it’s a war (civil or world) or a religion (or ideology)…something is needed to spark the change – and then to keep it all in check (especially when we’re talking about dealing with women). Women will try to get away with anything that they can until someone (man) or something (government, society, religion) puts them in check, again. Yes, all women are like that and men (especially blue pill men) need to deal with that reality. Once they do deal with it, then life (with women) becomes much… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

I banged my first married woman last week. We met at a party, I gamed her as usual. We went for drinks. More game, comfort, attraction. Pulled her back to my place. She was 28 and had been married since January. What’s interesting is how wild she was. It seemed like she hadn’t been fucked since her wedding night if that. After that, she was totally cool. I texted to see she got home okay. “See you next time” she replied. We set up to meet for drinks again. Ok, she knows I “get it”…so this is clearly about sex.… Read more »

Troberts
Troberts
6 years ago

Prominent divorce lawyer Raoul Felder said the release is the best thing to happen to his profession since the seventh Commandment forbade adultery in the Bible, “I’ve never had anything like this before.”… Not so fast…..17 states including DC have “true no-fault divorce” statues therefore, a no-fault divorce equals an open-ended contract with a prostitute. The prostitute (the term wife is obsolete) will only initiate a divorce if your current assets (what she can take from you via her pimp, the legal system) are worth substantially more than your paycheck after the bills are paid. Marriage no longer exists! We’re… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Troberts

Great comment!

further polarization between the sexes is pretty accurate.

Not between alphas and women. Between betas and women, surely. Keep in mind that there are three sexes: alphas, women, and betas.

And there is divergence between alphas because of mindset (A1), alphas because of status (A2), and alphas because of number of lays (A3).

Some betas will also be A1.

A1 and A2 will be attractive to women, but may not be fakking them.

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

re: Duggar and Ashley Madison Yep, perfect example of men adapting to the environment. I find it pretty sad how brainwashed this guy is into being ashamed of himself. I was raised pretty hardcore Catholic and a huge part of why I’m still a virgin is the whole time I was in school I was afraid I’d go to hell if I had premarital sex. There was also this Jewish girl who was into me and I was afraid of doing anything with her because my dad said he wouldn’t support me or my sister if we got involved with… Read more »

Oblivion
Oblivion
6 years ago

From the Pixar movie, ” mom didn’t give up the Brazilian helicopter pilot, she got pumped and dumped.

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

@ walawala Congrats on the lay. Beautiful post, by the way. Rollo should do a riff of that post, IMO. Hint hint. 😉 (seriously though, I think it merits a post) Just read it over a few times. There’s a real lot in there and I think expanding on that in a post could help a LOT of guys ‘just get it.’ Just a great in-field summary of so many points I’ve read about here on RM. Again…congratulations. Glad you’re having a good time and that your RP conversion has been such a success. Hope it only gets better for… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Softek

@Softek
Great read man. That video was funny to see as well. I grew up in a rather strong household run by women’s perceptions of god. Not a big fan in shaming men for whatever they enjoy but I can see how are society is gearing in that direction.


Congrats that was a good post made a hell of a good morning read.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

IMO anyone busted on Ashley Madison gets what they deserve. I saw an article that reported analysis of the data shows it is a sausagefest anyway. Something like 95%+ of active accounts were identified as male!? I’m sure a few guys got laid, but overall it sounds like a lot of dudes got scammed. And morally, these guys are corrupt. Whether you “believe” in marriage of not, taking an oath and making a vow should mean something to yourself. You want an open marriage? Have one. But don’t fucking sneak around online like a freaking pervert. To be clear, I’m… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ teddj4g

Spoken like a true INTJ.

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

stuttie “.. an unusually big radio campaign on here at the moment for men to donate sperm”.
I’m up for that. I live in the country, so I have potential access to gallons of the stuff. Or does it have to be exclusively h.s.sapiens?

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

ASD – I could almost be then template form that MBTI type. Lol

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

“To be clear, I’m not shaming them for wanting to fuck other women, I’m shaming them for being a weasel about it.”

Given the number of dead bedroom marriages you are shaming a bunch of them for wanting to fuck a single woman, while staying in a marriage for the kids.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Softek – “Peak hypergamy seems bad — but is it really?” Yes. Open hypergamy, and the Alphas that won’t ever willingly give up the benefits of it are eating the seed corn of civilization. Of course plenty of people in the West seem to hate civilization, and carry a fair amount of guilt about having been born into it so it makes sense of sorts. What you have to consider is as a man if your only life accomplishment is scoring pussy then there is no need for you to leave anything behind. There’s no need for you to endeavor… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

@ tedd I can see what you’re saying, but this guy was a victim of brainwashing. I can’t blame him for being a weasel because everything he’s doing sexually has been tainted by his religious upbringing and influences. He never had a chance to understand and embrace his own masculinity/sexuality. It’s been repressed his whole life. And it still is. He’s apologizing for what he did, but who is apologizing, really? A man who doesn’t know who he is. He doesn’t have full access to his identity as a man because identifying as a man, as he really is, sexuality… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

I’m working on a training wheels project (Code name: Black Knight) where I’m teaching women to dance. Training wheels to practice creating options and keeping a rotation. All very plausibly deniable and platonic if I so choose. Maybe eventually transition into paid lessons. Got my first student last night. Set up a date for next week. Since this is her first lesson, she gets a freebie. Next time she pays for my dinner. (I keep my amateur standing if I get gratuities instead of payment.) This broad likely has romantic ideas, though she professes lots of interest in learning to… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@insanitybytes22: Don’t you have your own blog to write? You have the time to come over here and bash Tomassi for trying to enlighten and unchain men who’ve been steeped in unrealistic, idealistic BS their entire lives? Tomassi’s “false paradigms, bad science, and endless sexual rhetoric” seem, from my MALE PERSPECTIVE, to very accurately describe the objective reality of female psychology and behavior. His “false paradigms, bad science, and endless sexual rhetoric” have actually helped me immeasurably because THEY’RE TRUE. Maybe you, as A FEMALE, are threatened by men like me gaining some perspective on the reality of women, rather… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Softek – I understand self shame. I was born and raised Roman Catholic with all the sexual shaming that entails. I’ve been the AFC ashamed of myself and my desires, and I’m not blaming men for not knowing better. But in my bluest of days I’ve always had a sense of honor and morality. I left the church in my early 20’s but didn’t see that as a chance to become honorless. Sure, honor is a pretty old concept and subject of ridicule, but a lack of honor is a primary contributor to our currently shitty society, I spent 6… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Rollo – I would never debate the need for sex. I’ve suffered famine and enjoyed feast there, and the difference is stark. I simply have a very low tolerance for shady dealings and dishonorable behavior. Partly why I have so few male friends. If I can’t trust them to be honest with stupid shit, how can I count on them if shit gets real? And of all the things to blow your credibility on, a woman? Talk about overinflating the value of ass…

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@ted

“I spent 6 years married to a woman …”

which means you broke your vow

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Red ight – eventually I did. However like many men I wasn’t given a choice. She filed, no fault/no contest, done. Sad thing is of she hadn’t bailed I might still be stuck in that shitty relationship. At any rate, I have to live with breaking that vow, and I don’t take it lightly. However I’m less worried about going to hell for it these days. That list is long and getting divorced probably won’t break the top 10. It would be a lie to say it doesn’t bother me, but it is what it is. A black blotch on… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Tam

We need to keep out the riffraff from Oop North.

Lucien
Lucien
6 years ago

“If we turn ourselves into Alphas . . .” No, we CAN’T ALL BE FUCKING ALPHAS! That’s what makes someone an alpha, that they’re better than everyone else! This is like the same “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps” capitalist mythology that has made the lower classes in the country complicit in their own ass-raping. Everyone dreams of being the man, ignoring the fact that only a tiny fraction of them ever will be. “Open hypergamy, and the Alphas that won’t ever willingly give up the benefits of it are eating the seed corn of civilization.” Yes. I don’t… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

@ Lucien The men here that read RM are an extremely tiny fraction of the male population. The men here that will take the material seriously and transform themselves are an even smaller fraction. Guys in the know about TRP make up a fraction of a percent of the total male population. Guys in the know about TRP that actually take it seriously and apply it to their lives make up a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the total male population. I’m addressing the readers here, not speculating about the general male population. We’re perfectly suited to… Read more »

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