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Slut Walkers & Soccer Moms

This picture has been making the rounds on Face Book recently. Last I looked it’d been shared about 89,000 times from the source I pulled it from. For the most part, what passes for some organized debate in most comment threads about this centered on a conflict between two factions of women – the responsible mothers and the ‘Slut Walk’ feministas faction of the femosphere.

Yes, ‘responsible mothers’ and Soccer Moms are in fact a very vocal part of the Feminine Imperative’s sphere of social control. It’s a mistake to believe women of a feminist bent are the only driving factor in influencing a feminine-primary social order. It’s not just grrrl-power demi-lesbians with fuschia hair, it’s that sensibly dressed lady in Target too. As I mentioned in last weeks post, Peak Hypergamy is yet to be settled, but until then the women who’s sexual strategy would best be served by keeping the ugliness of it secret will be at odds with women who proudly embrace open Hypergamy with gusto.

It’s easy to apply our Red Pill lens for such things as TV shows, popular music and media, and see the social undercurrent messaging of the Feminine Imperative, but there are some more subtle instances that need a proper lens focus on them. One trapping of the Red Pill lens is that aware men often overlook the more personal, more localized influence of the Feminine Imperative when they see the most public displays of it.

I’ve stated in prior posts that if you took a roomful of God-fearing traditionalist women and asked them if they identified as feminists the answers would range from “No” to a resounding “Hell no!” However, if you asked them specifics of how a woman’s role in society should be defined, what a woman’s obligations to a man ought to be, or in what way women’s influence in should be expressed in our culture (westernizing), then you would get your real answer.

Most traditionalist women would be appalled to be associated with anything bearing the Feminist® brand name, but still find themselves carrying the same flag when it comes to their rationalized beliefs. The ‘Sisterhood’ comes before all other considerations – be they politics, religion or personal interests – the Feminine Imperative is the common thread that underscores all intrasexual relations with women.

Tribe of the Sisterhood

In a social context, a principle strength of the Feminine Imperative is a presupposed, tribalistic sense of intrasexual belonging amongst women that transcends politics, race identity, religious conviction and ideology. We euphemistically refer to this dynamic as the sisterhood, but this female ‘belonging’ shares it’s roots in our foraging evolutionary past. Thus, women from starkly different cultures or socio-economic tiers still share that common theme of pre-known ‘oppression’ by the nebulous patriarchy.

One problem I have with recent rise of self-styled anti-feminist “Red Pill Women” is that while on the surface it appears that they are “pro-men”, the real impetus is that they are “anti-feminists”. In other words, their primary concern becomes one of opposing the methods and ideologies of how best to assert the influences of the Feminine Imperative they both ultimately serve. The common tribalism of the sisterhood is still present, but the applications of how best to instrument it is the source of that conflict.

This is what I believe we’re witnessing in debates of this nature; it is a conflict between women who’d be better served by keeping men confused and in doubt of the mechanics of Hypergamy versus women who believe they’d be better served in openly and proudly embracing Hypergamy. This is the primary reason women despise other women who are openly ‘Gold Diggers’ or ‘Attention Whores’, or even prostitutes – their method of optimizing their own hypergamous interests reveals their sex’s larger sexual strategy which they’d rather men not fully comprehend (until such time as they are ready to consolidate on men’s commitment).

It’s important that Red Pill men not be fooled into thinking that ‘traditionalist’ women are in anyway less predisposed to the influences of their sex’s imperatives. They’re not unique or better suited to a feminine role because of their ideology, they simply can’t afford to have sexual rivals with different methodologies competing for the same optimization of Hypergamy.

Social Saturation

This may seem an unlikely way to address the core issue of this notice to school administrators, but read me out here. There are two presumptions implied in this message. The first is the presumption that these school-age girls are being shamed by expecting them to adhere to some modicum of dressing to a certain standard – a standard they can expect once they exit school as well I should add.

The second is that these girls wearing shorts that are too short, and bra straps so noticeable as to draw attention from school administrators (God forbid a male teacher make such a judgement call) would be more concerned with the their educational prospects than influencing the boys in their environment is questionable.

And lastly the presumption is that boys of a certain age should be taught to control themselves to counter their synaptic wiring and biochemical responses and not ‘objectify’ the girls who take it upon themselves to dress provocatively.

These are relatively easy assessments to make about the intent of this note, however, what both factions of women debating this presume is a condition of feminine primacy. The feminine presumption is one that this school is nominally founded in male primacy – the girls distract the boys with their advertised sexuality – but the expectation is one based in the male Burden of Performance.

While it’s important for men to have an objective understanding of their burden of performance, it’s equally important for men to realize that women understand the utility of that burden and put it to their own opportunistic ends. In a feminine-primary perspective that burden translates into these boys needing to be taught to act against their biological impetus.

The shaming isn’t about girls having their education interrupted for wearing booty shorts or their tits pushed up by exposed bras; the implied shame is that these boys are not being instructed to understand that their burden is one of controlling the very biology that compels them to distraction. In a feminine-primary context the real “shame” should be on the boys who see girls (who are signaling sexual cues) as the sexual objects these girls are intentionally making of themselves.

The implied prioritization of undistracted education is presumed to be focused towards the males in the class, but the reality is that this education is taking place in a feminine-primary environment that is being inconvenienced by social standards.

The Feminine Expectation of Performance

Instead of adapting to the realities of their environment, women expect men to accommodate their sexual strategies and incorporate them into their accepted burden of performance.

CH maxim: The feminist goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality

This goal is eminently more achievable when men are taught that it is an aspect of their Burden of Performance to self-restrict their sexuality for a feminine-primary purpose. It was recently brought up in last week’s comments that the rise in unfettered, openly acknowledged Hypergamy is (or is becoming) a comparable condition to men’s unrestricted sexuality. The contrast of course was flipping the script and considering what the results would be if it were men who’s sexual strategy was unrestricted to the degree Hypergamy has currently.

In an exaggerated feminine-primary context, women like to believe this was once the case. Granted the apex fallacy is rife in that presumption, but the Feminine Imperative needs to establish a preexisting notion that women must necessarily suffer in a masculine-primary social order. That’s the presumptive social context this note was crafted in. The truth of the matter is that the Feminine Imperative cannot afford for both women and men to believe anything different if it is to remain the primary social influence.

This presumption is what brings women of conflicting ideological bents together in solidarity despite their disagreements; there is always a common enemy, a common opposition, in the belief that it’s men who are calling the shots for them. And as I said, this apex fallacy presumption is universal in that it transcends ideology and religious convictions. Thus we see similar social conventions used to maximally restrict male sexuality in those same institutions.

Holistic Game had an interesting take on this restriction this week:

I was raised Southern Baptist, then moved on to some form of megachurch-style evangelical Christianity in high school. I felt that sex before marriage was sinful, that lust was evil, and that the female body was a source of lurid temptation. It was a constant struggle not to look at porn. I remember being in a men’s young adult service when I was 24 and the pastor asked, with heads bowed, if any man in the room hadn’t looked at porn. I peeked and realized no one had raised their hand – every man in the room had indulged at some point. Though I couldn’t grasp it at the time, I’ve since come to understand that there is no point in repressing natural human desire.

I certainly couldn’t contain my urges forever, and ended up losing my virginity later that year. I was teaching guitar to a hot blonde beach babe a couple years older than me, and we got drinks one night. We fooled around, tipsily, and after a few weeks of on-and-off gropings I finally decided to fuck her. After the act was completed, I sat on her deck and looked at the ocean and searched myself. I never imagined the staining of my chastity happening in such a fashion, but I had to face the reality that it had happened. I tried to be honest with myself, and to my surprise, I found that I didn’t feel guilty. At all. The one thing I’d tried to save, that seemed to matter so much to God and his plans, I’d wasted on a stupid blonde I’d end up dumping. I should have felt overwhelmed by holy conviction, but didn’t feel anything but normality. I felt like I was finally part of the human race. This lack of guilt was the crack in the foundation that eventually led to the shattering of the whole rotten edifice.

Holistic expounds on this experience into doubting the existence of God (which I honestly think is a shame), but it’s important to understand how this presumptive state of male social primacy, and the necessity to mandate chastity as a man’s Burden of Performance has effects that go well beyond a man self-limiting his participation in his sexual strategy.

I think a necessary stage in becoming Red Pill aware is truly understanding not just our preconditioning, but the social environment that condition takes place within. This acknowledgement needs to take place in order to really unplug; it cannot simply be an acceptance that a guy was raised into his Blue Pill circumstance, he must also recognize the social conditions he’s still operating within, and he must recognize how to avoid the pitfalls and make the changes he wants to see in that world.

In a Blue Pill, feminine-primary social order plugged in men are left to participate in two institutions: jails and churches. I can imagine the frustration Red Pill men must feel when they see their friends trapped in those institutions. They see their friends in an endless tail-chasing of a performance of their own doing, but a result of their ‘teachers’ investing it in them. They contort in an endless self-expectation to be better men by self-defeating the essence that make them men. Then they are punished for the slightest infraction of acceding to that male essence, not so much by the women they hope to perform for, but rather a disappointment in themselves for not living up to what they believe are their own self-developed expectations of a standard that only serves the feminine.

Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

498 comments

  1. As the great Dave Chapelle joked about women wearing sexy clothing, “(Her) I am not a whore! (Him) Yes, but you’re wearing a whore’s uniform.”

  2. For whatever reason, this issue just enrages me. I think because the f*cking hubris is so stark, the chutzpah so breathtaking. And literally everyone passionately believes this sh*t. It almost pains me to hear you take your characteristically cold, analytical tone here.

    Nothing is more goddamned obvious than that boys and girls are not the same; not the same with respect to their desires, or the objects of those desires. It’s as if people are in the grips of the idea of “equality” precisely because of how insipid, how vacuous and empty and thus impossible to resist the idea is. It’s always easier to pretend that two things are the same than to recognize the myriad ways in which they subtly and importantly differ.

    Also it probably enrages me because it’s one of the things that most directly harms me in my everyday life. Every time I walk past a girl dressed like a slut, with her tits hanging out, in some ass-tight pants, I must suppress my instinct to pounce — and a small part of my manhood dies. Right then and there, I’ve endured a small humiliation. This being lower Manhattan, I endure that humiliation a hundred times just walking to my destination. I can practically feel their power increasing as mine wanes. (It’s true that it would be the same if I was in an LTR, say, but then there is at least some more complex way of reaching the same goal.) None of these girls are girls I’m going to hit on or do something with. Absolute deadweight loss. Besides society should not be a nonstop f*ckfest.

    It’s not feminine or pleasant, that’s the other thing that enrages me — men claiming to be happy with it, glad that girls dress and act like sluts. The behavior is defiance, and an unleashing of female sexual power. It is a prime characteristic of the FI. Women are vain, they want to dress like sluts, they can’t wait for a proper excuse. It is that exact scenario RT describes: they do what they want, and you suppress yourself. I’m tempted to throw in the larger observation, only tangentially relevant, that that’s why we’re here, in this situation, in the first place. Men turn into supplicating weaklings because they have nothing to do but chase pussy in the first place. Our hedonism is what has turned this into a fem-centric society. Everyone worships something, and if you have nothing but your desires, then you will worship the object of those desires — and the greatest of those objects is pussy. Fem-centric hardly describes it — this is a society in which men worship vagina, prostrate before it, reorganize their lives around it. And putting it in your face all day, every day is a way of ensuring that you stay in that zone. That when boys should be focusing on school, or men should be focusing on making their way in the world, their eyes are instead following the bounce of dat ass.

    They know. There is the example of that Christian blogger who wrote a fairly humble post about why she would no longer wear leggings, and she got flamed so hard she literally had to take down her blog and ended up on f*cking network news. That’s how fierce, how vicious women became when this woman had the temerity to even indirectly cast doubt on the wisdom of their wearing ass-tight clothing.

    It’s no accident that you don’t see women in patriarchal societies parading around like sluts. I remember my first girl, when she first started going out with me, still lacked sense (which I soon fixed). She would wear certain kinds of clothing — and I can still feel that sick feeling in my stomach. That feeling doesn’t lie — if she’s your girl there’s no need to be broadcasting that sh*t in public.

    And these days, no girl is anyone’s girl.

  3. Watching the slut walk (from where it first originated) on a sunny day, I heard a guy saying :
    Why is it that most nudists are people you don’t want to see naked?

  4. @Rollo Tomassi
    One of the best comments you ever made about men is that they always pay to get sex from women. You said that men either finance it (marriage)buy it it retail or wholesale (dating or hooking up), rent it (prostitution) or pay for the advertising (porn)., The only thing I would change is put masturbation in the parenthesis of where porn is in the previous sentence. Yes porn is the best advertising or at least tit is usually he most visually and audially vivid,, but men masturbated to images in their head in the past before porn and will continue to do so in the future whether porn is around or not. This my friends is the burden of performance. Marriage is the hardest, dating or hooking up the second hardest, prostitution the third hardest and masturbation the easiest burden to perform. Prostitution is hated by most women because physically it has the most sure, best and greatest return on investment from men even if it is not necessarily emotionally satisfying for men.

    You are right that traditional or soccer mom women do not want men to know how men are being deceived by the feminine imperative because they know that once open hypergamy comes about, men will eventually revolt. The pendulum will swing back hard and all the gains made will disappear for women. Soccer moms are more sensible than sluts, but sluts will become ever more dominant as time goes on.

    The Christian man who finally had sex at age 22 as Free Northerner, a Christian man blogger in the manossphere, would point out should have been married already and have had sex with his wife, only his . That world of virgin brides and monogamy died. So did getting men and women married off young. I hope he finds God again.

  5. @ Lucien
    We live in a Satanic Matriarchical Cuntocracy. One day it will fall. There will be much pain going around when it does. It’s a shame as this never had to be, but not only is hedonism killing us so is the lack of men being assertive and dominant with women. It is usually the woman in this Western society who is assertive and dominant over her man. Matriarchical societirs give way to patriarchical ones.

  6. @Rollo

    Holistic expounds on this experience into doubting the existence of God (which I honestly think is a shame)

    God ™ as brought to you by The Church is nothing more than an attempt to gain a monopoly on sex itself. You can’t have sex and not go to Hell without being married, and The Church just happens to be the sole provider of gasp marriage!

    It’s fine to believe in a god or gods of your choice, but that God ™ shouldn’t just be doubted; he should be actively hated and fought where ever he rears his ugly head. It’s not a sin to be human, it’s a sin to try to gain power and money off the guilt and gullibility of humans. The Church is the first entity to leap at an opportunity to do so. Their God ™ is just their rationalization for the behavior.

  7. This hits home because I grew up in church and can’t say it was done any differently. Guys were ALWAYS lectured about porn and lust. Lust was the big monster that every guy had to slay in order to be considered a true, Christian man. Problem is that the meaning of lust has been downgraded to include pretty much any hint of desire in the man. Lust is no longer that uncontrollable, “fleshly” desire that makes you do anything, consequences be damned. Now, looking twice at a hot woman walking down the street is lust and also evidence of other spiritual problems.

    Funny thing is you don’t hear a peep about women lusting. In fact, the idea of women lusting is practically unheard of in Christian circles around here. Not a word is said about the porn the women indulge in. But then again, the FI is in control of chuches, we can’t expect anything else.

    This post was awesome, Rollo. The more I read your writing, the more I see it played out around me. Keep spitting the truth.

  8. Rugby
    “Funny thing is you don’t hear a peep about women lusting. In fact, the idea of women lusting is practically unheard of in Christian circles around here. Not a word is said about the porn the women indulge in. But then again, the FI is in control of chuches, we can’t expect anything else.”

    Good observation.

    Rollo
    This post is a thesis. So much to digest.
    Jails for alphas and churches for betas

  9. While dropping my daughter off at middle school, I was appalled at the clothing these girls were wearing. I occasionally have to check my daughter and her mother on the outfits my daughter wants to wear to “fit in” with her peers. Her mother is of the more conservative bent, but I see with Red Pill lenses that by insisting our daughter dress conservatively, she is merely trying to optimize hypergamy from the old school Team Hidden Hypergamy. I envision the Blue Pill fathers of these up and coming tarts who are brow beaten or shamed by the kids’ mothers about the risque clothing and shake my weary head.

  10. Why you sending – the girls home –
    to go change their attire?

    It’s boys fault –
    if they get –
    so sexually inspired!

    If he stares –
    he’s a – pervert.

    If he don’t –
    he’s queer.

    Whatever way – his eyes wonder –
    He’s just not welcome here.

  11. Unattractive ugly Feminists and masculine slut Walkers want to show their asses and boobs because it is “empowering” and they want men not to be aroused(bragplaining).
    The same ugly feminists/masculine slut walkers want the stupid sexy attractive Strippers/ Prostitutes to cover up because it makes men have a hard on and therefore not empowering but, it is arousing and it makes fast investment return from the sexy strippers point of view.
    The very ugly unattractive and fat boring “Traditionalist feminists ” want feminists/sluts/strippers/prostitutes to cover their Pussies/asses/boobs because it is bad business for them.
    Holly shit!
    What a predicament.

  12. “Every time I walk past a girl dressed like a slut, with her tits hanging out, in some ass-tight pants, I must suppress my instinct to pounce — and a small part of my manhood dies.”

    I honestly can’t understand this line of thinking and nor why men shouldn’t like women advertising their sexuality. You don’t have to buy. It’s like a big warehouse where everyone is showing their assets to make the sale to you. Do you want to be the salesperson in the store or king customer coming to chose – if the salesperson and the product are good enough?

    Women displaying their sexual assets is basically testosterone for free. Objectify them, enjoy the view. And don’t let it be enough to sell to you.

  13. Awesome post, Rollo, as usual. I only disagree with the guy you quoted expressing “there is no point in repressing natural human desire”.

    Repressing human desire is exactly the point of any civilization (do you shit in the street when you feel like it?). J.D. Unwin studied all kind of cultures and reached this conclusion

    “if the social regulations forbid direct satisfaction of the sexual impulses the emotional conflict is expressed in another way, and that what we call ‘civilization’ has always been built up by compulsory sacrifices in the gratification of innate desires.” Sex and Culture (1934)

    If you unleash natural human desire, you end up with a society similar to the one where the human instinct evolved and are adapted to: a primitive band of hunter-gatherers. See the black ghetto to check what a partial unleashing of human desires can accomplish.

    The problem is not our culture repressing human desire. It is our culture unleashing female human desire while repressing male human desire (more than any other culture). This imbalance is the problem.

    While Christianity repressed sexual instincts for men and women (not sex before marriage, but not divorce, not eat-pray-love, male authority, wife’s duty to submit and have sex even when she didn’t feel like it), Churchianity only represses men’s sexual instincts while rationalizes unleashing women’s sexual instincts. And this is the problem.

    In addition, I know this can sound weird but you get more happiness by repressing your instincts that f*cking every thing that moves (I know because I have been in both situations).

  14. And if your teacher’s hot as hell –

    don’t worry little child.

    We’ll protect you –

    from that hot, young, blonde, girl, pedophile!

    But if you’re teacher’s ugly –

    warts growing out her nose –

    – like it or not –

    – you’ll get you’re fill –

    starring up her hose.

    And if you’re – a – good student –

    make A’s on all your tests –

    Oh, what a ‘thrill’ she’ll give you –

    when you brush against her breast!

    Entirely YOU’RE initiative –

    she did not do a thing!!!!!

    How on earth could she do that –

    in world where man is king?

    So man up!

    Own up!

    Tell all to the confessor!

    It’s what you get for being –

    an evil white male oppressor!

  15. If your son was sent home home because he couldn’t control himself looking at a girl’s ass, hire a Stripper to go to his school to explain how she makes her money.

  16. This blog post and the part about self-repression brings back a specific encounter.

    I had to go to her place to pick something up; asked her when she would be there and decided the time that would be most convenient to me.
    As I arrived, the boyfriend was there. It was to be expected since I chose an hour at which he is usually there.

    Now before going I engaged in a specific meditation. What it does for me is helping quieting my thoughts; Often, at the end of it, for a few there are barely any thoughts floating on my mind and I can see an experience things as they are, without label or judgement. It helps me get a new perspective.

    The reactions I often get from women is either powerful sexual arousal or physical aggression. Funny thing is, I don’t even have to say a word. My body language does most of the job for me.

    A side note, there has always been an attraction/ sexual tension between us but since she had a long time boyfriend, I didn’t escalate and make the moves I would normally make.

    To get back on topic, when I got there, the way she was acting towards me was extremely sexually charged: The kisses she greeted me with upon arrival, the way she was touching me (and constantly); suspended to every word I was uttering,even trite and insignificant things was surprising to me.
    She excluded her BF from the interaction through her body language. At one point, he could have been invisible, it would have made no difference for her at least. He even had to excuse himself and go to another room for a while.

    When he came back, I started feeling embarrassed at the way his GF was behaving in front of him. I made slight adjustments to my Body Language and intentionally curbed and repressed the ongoing sexual tension. She picked up on it right away, gave me a look that I understood. She was disappointed.

    Has anybody experienced something similar?

  17. The strategies currently still played from the perspective of “what we know” vs. “what they should (not) know”.

    I expect the conversation to be much more direct soon. The reason is how the ideas (may they be wrong or right) spread over the internet.
    Unlike in the past, we live in a world where there is an easy accessible unending stream of quality fap material of girls who share their bodies for the sole sake of climbing the SMP

    http://imgur.com/r/ChangingRooms

    Unlike in the past, now even school boys get a glimpse of what seemingly any girl tries to provide to the guys who are just better than him. I don’t like where this is going – it leads to a bulk of broken men, aware of the redpill canon, who realize that without bounds, there ain’t enough for everybody. Adopting the alpha-beta dichotomy, usually measured by how much pussy a guy can get, won’t make society a better place, ESPECIALLY if those are rational but bitter men. You’ll see more of the archetype exemplified by 4chans “eggman” and eventually even women will acknowledge on this ideology.

  18. I think Holistic Game’s doubting the existence of gods is completely rational. when you recognize that you’ve been fooled into a blue pill narrative, you start asking yourself, “what else have I been lied to about?”. dropping your god myth is just another red pill. when a kid figures out there’s no tooth fairy, santa claus is the next to go.

  19. For all the supposedly Red Pill guys who immediately embraced those online protestations of “anti-feminists”, who were almost all hot young chicks who would never NEED feminism per se.

    Two things:

    1. the Feminine Imperative is so deeply inculcated into our culture that being against it is like me taking a stand against “the continued use of electronic mail instead of that old fashion, more personal letter writing”.

    2. If you want to REALLY see who stands against at least a manageable part of sisterhood, have all those same “really hot” 19 year old girls holding those “I don’t need feminism” signs on the web, sign an agreement and go into a database/dating site, agreeing they will NEVER ask for alimony or seek primary custody of their children, etc, etc.

    Women are not going to give up what men have agreed to give them–they will continue to safeguard family law and all this other crap, because they or their daughter(s) may need to rely upon it in the future.

  20. The biggest message I ever received about Islam and religion in general is that life itself is a test. It left me feeling confused because I never quite understood why (assuming God made us) we were born sinful and taught to go against our natural urges.

    Being a deep thinker, my only educated conclusion is that humans aren’t perfect, will make mistakes and will often do things that seem good on the surface but harmful in the long term.

    Think about all of the things we’ve ever built and the things we chase after and count how many guys who’ve reached the apex of it were ever happy or satisfied.

    The feelings of lust, greed and ego satisfaction is like a drug that doesn’t feed your spirit in any way. Yet understanding this, the urge is still there… The fact is, we need guidance.

    Everything man has ever made has always been harmful and imperfect. Conversely, everything made by nature (God) is a source of vitality and good health.

    I’ve yet to find the real answers and likely will ever know. But one thing’s for sure, the answers to our questions and frustrations won’t ever be found by being disbelievers. We need faith and God in order to find hope and peace. We can’t do it alone.

  21. Somehow I am reminded of St Trinian’s – though there were, of course, no boys there-at. Clearly then the solution which should make everyone happy is to end co-education. I went to an all-male secondary school, yet even so (and perhaps because of it) I had no doubt whatsoever that females (and not males) were indeed objects of the greatest sexual interest.

  22. “Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

    This is an important step for most men on their way out of the system (or the Matrix) after discovering the red pill. First, realizing how men (we’ve) been programmed and then adjusting tactics on how to deal (live) in (and around) that system.

    MGTOW still have to deal with the system on some level (they are not truly going ‘their own way’). Even the little things like day to day encounters (i.e. going to the bank or other service), they are still interacting with women (and the system) at some point.

    It’s best for men (especially young men) to understand and learn that system (plus yourself) in order to ‘reprogram’.

  23. Curious when it comes to all these social issues, what the difference is in attitudes between Mothers with one or more sons, who also have daughters, and mothers with ONLY sons, vs. mothers with only daughters. Just having been a “soccer dad” for years, going to games, afterschool events, etc, I’ve always found white women with one or more boys, and NO girls, to be the most down-to-earth, who would be most likely, in the situation of this article to say “oh hell know, of COURSE boys are distracted…this is stupid, put clothes on”.

    Btw, Alpha men have more boys, so perhaps their wives are more subservient from word-go.

  24. I have two boys. They aren’t in school yet, but I worry about them. 20% gap in 4 year college acceptance. I asked a woman (and they are all women) from the school board if she thought it was a problem. Her answer? No. The FI is so entrenched that people don’t view a 20% gap as an issue! I did an analysis of test scores to see if there was an equal gap in competency. Nope. No significant gap in competency. 20% gap in college attendance. Fucked. Up.

    All boys schools don’t exist anymore. It almost makes me want to try and open one.

  25. That’s crazy to hear that testimony, since I also just had sex for the first time at age 26.

    Me and my girl are both devout catholics, and have decided since the beginning that we would be chaste. Nevertheless, we slacked out, ended up alone for a full afternoon with nothing to do, and I couldn’t resist.

    Even if preachers mix up lust with natural sexual desire, I’ve been studying by myself (also the help from this blog) to know the difference. We both repented and did what the church says to do in this situation, and we are back into a chaste relationship, but I know things are different now. I can already hear people saying that having a gf without sex is worthless, but I feel we would be better if we didn’t do it. We had a purity state that we will have to work hard do keep now.

    Reading this, I’m just glad I didn’t have a reaction similar to Holistic’s. It seems he had it worse than me when it came to (church) sex ed, and the only thing that tied him to his religion was his chastity, so when that fell, he had no faith anymore.

    The details, for context: Me 26, she 23, she had sex with 2 other bfs before me. 4 months together.

  26. I disagree with one aspect of your post, Rollo. One of the defining characteristics of manhood (as opposed to womanhood or childhood) is learning to control our biological emotions to the subservience of rational thought (as much as possible). Children act as their emotions dictate. Unfortunately, so do women, most of the time. But if men were free to act according to the whims of their emotion and biology, we would see chaos. The ESSENCE of manhood is control.

    The question is, whose control 🙂 There is a big difference in parents teaching a boy which aspects of himself he must learn to control – and how and why – for his OWN benefit and that of society, versus teaching a man to control himself to his own detriment, for the benefit of others.

    I agree with you that both the soccer moms and the feminists are trying to control boys for the benefit of girls. But if I, as a parent, had to teach my son which aspects of himself to control, I’d likely side closer to what the soccer moms are trying to teach their daughters. They are telling their daughters “accept and understand the power of your sexuality, and harness it for your benefit. Don’t flaunt it when you don’t want the attention, because your actions have consequences in the real world. In the real world, males will see you flaunting your body and they will desire you. There will be times when that gives you power, and times when that puts you at a disadvantage. So use your power at the discretion of your mind, only when appropriate.

    I guess I would teach my sons a similar message – love your body and your sexuality, but harness it for your benefit. Accept your strength and power, but understand that your actions have consequences in the real world and try to think ahead to understand what those consequences might be.

  27. God-fearing traditionalist women and asked them if they identified as feminists

    If you use the word “traditionalist” in this way, you exclude actual traditional women. Quick way to spot traditional women:

    1) They have large families (say, 5 or more on average).
    2) They (and their daughters) wear dresses and often headcoverings.
    3) Zero divorce in their extended families.

    These are “traditional” women in the historical sense. This isn’t my personal opinion; it’s a historical reality. Look at an Amish woman today to see what nearly all women were like in the West just 250 years ago, and even a near majority were like 150 years ago. That’s traditional.

    The women you call “traditional”? Merely modern women that haven’t quite gone the Fully Monty. Yet. Of course they are feminist.

  28. “I honestly can’t understand this line of thinking and nor why men shouldn’t like women advertising their sexuality. You don’t have to buy. It’s like a big warehouse where everyone is showing their assets to make the sale to you.”

    I preemptively responded to this inevitable rejoinder, but my answer is — it’s not though. It’s not actually for sale. In any case I’m neither capable of nor interested in pulling some random whore off the street on my way to the library. I’m trying to sharpen my focus and maintain a calm state of mind, to better achieve my enormous tasks for the day. Again, if your life is a neverending f*ckfest, you may experience this differently. But I fail to see how you can get much done in that state. Grant that I could get 95% of the way to my potential notwithstanding these distractions. Still, that 5% counts more than all the rest, because that’s the difference between being merely good and being great. And we all know that the latter is what matters. I’m speaking from experience. Living in a less crowded area for a few years it was like relief spread across my entire mind, freeing me for greater things. That is gone under these conditions.

    It’s not for sale because women want validation even more than they want sex. Sometimes that validation comes through sex; but it can be bought more cheaply by dressing like a slut and getting looks on the street, each one of which pushes her nose a little higher and makes her stride a little sassier.

    If you’re running through innumerable broads right now, good for you. That’s not what I’m doing right now. I’m trying to complete two different terminal degrees at the same time, and to reach whatever happens to be the greatest height of my cognitive potential. And I know, without question, this sh*t is keeping me down. And the facts suggest it is keeping men down across the whole of society. And it is infuriating and perverse to blame them for it.

  29. Wanna tell you about the girl I love
    My she looks so fine
    She’s the only one that I been dreamin’ of
    Maybe someday she will be all mine
    I wanna tell her that I love her so
    I thrill with her every touch
    I need to tell her she’s the only one I really love

    I got a woman, wanna ball all day
    I got a woman, she won’t be true, no
    I got a woman, stay drunk all the time
    I said I got a little woman and she won’t be true

    Sunday morning when we go down to church
    See the menfolk standin’ in line
    I said they come to pray to the Lord
    With my little girl, looks so fine
    In the evening when the sun is sinkin’ low
    Everybody’s with the one they love
    I walk the town, Keep a-searchin’ all around
    Lookin’ for my street corner girl

    I got a woman, wanna ball all day
    I got a woman, she won’t be true, no no
    I got a woman, stay drunk all the time
    I said I got a little woman and she won’t be true

    In the bars, with the men who play guitars
    Singin’, drinkin’ and rememberin’ the times
    My little lover does a midnight shift
    She followed around all the time
    I guess there’s just one thing a-left for me to do
    Gonna pack my bags and move on my way
    Cause I got a worried mind
    Sharin’ what I thought was mine
    Gonna leave her where the guitars play

    I got a woman, she won’t be true, no no
    I got a woman, wanna ball all day
    I got a woman, stay drunk all the time
    I got a little woman and she won’t be true

    (Hey hey what can I do)

    I said she won’t be true

    (Hey Hey, What can I say?)

    Hey hey, what can I do
    I got a woman, she won’t be true
    Lord, hear what I say
    I got a woman, wanna ball all day

  30. @Jeremy, oh I agree, a healthy degree of self control is a reflection of a mature mind. My point is to illustrate that feminism’s end goal is releasing women from all consequences of self-control and blaming men for the worst of those results. Simultaneously, men are expected to hold a standard of self-control that maximally restricts their sexual strategy while maximally optimizes Hypergamy.

    All of this is achieved by a social order based on blank slate Equalism:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/women-men-doff-their-shirts-around-world-go-topless-day-n414581

    You see it only starts in school. Men are expected to control their lust, their ‘gaze’, their natural sexual response as part of their feminine defined burden of performance. Feminism holds the steak in front of the Doberman and says, “we’re all equal, so you should be mature enough not to salivate and tear my hand off to eat this.”

  31. Who’s watching Bachelor in Paradise right now? Holy moly

    Joe contacts Samantha before the show
    They make a deal to be a couple whatever week she arrives
    Joe lies to another girl, gets a rose, to stay the week
    Samantha arrives, Joe and her become a “couple”, they are all over each other
    Everyone else is suspicious.
    Samantha had also been talking to another guy before the show
    He arrives the week after,
    Samantha buffers joe (“I’m tired of all the drama that happened”)
    (“You’re not who I thought”) (“texts are different than this”)
    Joe enters a Beta spiral, saying how they had a plan, that they were a good couple, that it was a team thing, that they had a good connection.
    Joe and no one seems to get that she just wants to trade up for her other option that she always knew was coming.

  32. Before I address the content of the article, I just want to point out that:

    “Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

    This line is from a Rage Against the Machine song called “Know Your Enemy.”
    ——-

    The whole thing about teaching men not to look at women sexually from the sign in the picture would be like telling a woman she’s in trouble if she bleeds this month. Women’s natural biology is okay, while men’s biologically rooted sexually instincts are inappropriate and need to be medicated or conditioned away. Only problem is that sort of thing doesn’t just go away because it’s as deeply rooted in our brains and the instincts to eat and survive. Men are only allowed to really be men in a few narrowly defined situations when it’s convenient or entertaining for women. Otherwise they should just shut up and do as they’re told so the free money (tax dollars) keeps coming in.

    “This is the primary reason women despise other women who are openly ‘Gold Diggers’ or ‘Attention Whores’, or even prostitutes – their method of optimizing their own hypergamous interests reveals their sex’s larger sexual strategy which they’d rather men not fully comprehend (until such time as they are ready to consolidate on men’s commitment).”

    I’ve always said that if you’re going to be paying for it in one way or another, the only difference between a gold digger or whore and a “normal girl” is that you can collapse the time frame and get sex without a lot of the ritualistic behavior and banter that people are taught they need to do before fucking. “Normal girls” hate this because they know the only way they could compete would be by doing the same, which eliminates the possibility of any resource extraction beyond short term financial gain. The guy who doesn’t realize this until after he’s locked into a serious commitment has a lot more to lose, while the woman obviously has more to gain (and she knows this).

    “They see their friends in an endless tail-chasing of a performance of their own doing, but a result of their ‘teachers’ investing it in them. They contort in an endless self-expectation to be better men by self-defeating the essence that make them men. Then they are punished for the slightest infraction of acceding to that male essence, not so much by the women they hope to perform for, but rather a disappointment in themselves for not living up to what they believe are their own self-developed expectations of a standard that only serves the feminine.”

    I started to see this as early as my teenage years when all of my best friends got into their first relationships with girls and were totally willing to abandon any steps they were taking to ensure their own long term success for the immediate benefit of a young, immature girl. It’s pretty sad to see guys who “could’ve been somebody” end up in and out of the same community college courses for five years to ultimately take a job in a grocery store or as a security guard because they were so fixated on a few failed relationships during their young adult lives instead of securing a future for themselves. Something never seemed right about that to me even from a young age, which was why I avoided all of that. It’s the life of a slave, but we get conditioned so strongly that most men will willingly grab the chains at the first sight of a girl who seems like she’s ready for commitment. I’ll never understand why someone would want to live like that.

  33. My goal for what we need to achieve in the next five years: men need to stop giving out commitment, favors, drinks, all of that sh*t. We have to rescue a sense of masculine pride. Basically we need to engage in slut shaming: not shaming the sluts, per se, but shaming the men who succor them (betas). Slut shaming is actually the female equivalent: intrasexual cartel policing. (It’s an absolutely moronic, but typical, feminist misapprehension that men engage in slut shaming in any way.) We should be doing the same with respect to our scarce good, commitment. In five years we should be reading news stories in the NYT about how all these new devices they’re coming up with to advance the system to the next level have fallen apart. Polyamory, all of this sh*t they’re trying to use to continue wringing money out of foolish losers while f*cking apex men. None of them should yield the hoped-for result, a female sexual utopia.

    It shouldn’t be that hard. Deep down, every single man is disgusted by the slut. It’s only cowardice and weakness that convinces him to hide it or to remain in blissful ignorance. The most powerful thing we have are those stories of humiliation, of guys wifing up broads and then hearing their stories about willing participation in drug-fueled gang rapes. Today, every girl has some version of that story: something that, if her future husband only knew, would disgust him irreparably. Remember the role of technology in all this. Get the word down to the young’uns, to be recording and filming and making a record even though they’re not sure what it’s going to be good for. Put it somewhere it will never go away — the internet — and hope the right person finds it one day. We need to go farther than a marriage strike; we need to restore order by ensuring that no one has a happy life who doesn’t deserve it. All the eggmen, all the clowns of society must find a new sense of purpose and mission in this. (Of course countries like Germany have already passed laws forbidding “revenge porn,” yet another transparent FI-protecting scheme, but lets put hopes on our First Amendment.)

    There’s no hope for the high school or college scene. But that’s fine, as long as we take control of the endgame. The word will quickly trickle down and reshape the whole situation. I want legions of women ending up rotting on the shelf. I want the cities to be haunted by their tearful wails of loneliness at night. I want lifelong misery for an entire generation. There will be a crust of people who continue to get married, but only about the top third to a half of the upper middle class, which is just a tiny fraction of society.

    Men, for better or worse, have a special instinct: that pride that says, if I’m going down, I’m going to take you down with me. We need to inflame that pride and insist on it, among all the people who will listen to us: the men who are struggling. That’s a real and meaningful lever of control. If enough people align around this you will be hearing about it in the news, I am sure of it.

  34. @Lucien:
    Afaik, there is not a single slogan associated with the redpill that puts a behavioral condition on women. Something like “I won’t make you a baby if she fucked more than 5 other guys before.”
    As long as people hand out “relationship advice” in the form of field reports where they brag how much pussy they get BECAUSE they are alpha, enabling the behaviors people on the forums simultaneously criticism – how should there by a reformation?

    What we be a good guide, some kind of motto that’s actually actively pressing on the social structure to leads towards something people claim they’d rather like?

  35. As I read all of my favorite Red Pill blogs I can’t help but shake the thought that we as a group of enlightened men are missing one very important element. Often, as you pointed out in Holisitic Game’s comment, men throw the baby out with the sour holy water. The baby in this instance is not necessarily the belief in God but the belief in our own god-like nature. I’m sure not all Red Pill men are this way but it would appear for the most part that the manosphere argues the point of “Which sex should be able to act most like their instinctual, lowest mammalian level.”

    I’d like to propose there is a deeper red (a rich blood colored) pill. That is to fully recognize the natures of men and women in their natural state but draw out the higher purpose in both sexes. Hold ourselves accountable to ourselves as beings higher than animals. To expect from women something better than we know their nature seeks. In essence we wholly embrace the Pygmalion effect and, with full knowledge of hypergamy and the feminist narrative, expect more from and lead these women in the right direction. I want to see men who are Generals not Privates.

    This, to me, is truly Red Pill. It’s unplugging from yet another matrix and seeing that there’s a better use of this knowledge than to fuck women. There is a high calling for both sexes and a delicate line to walk that may appear Blue Pill at times or Mysoginist at others.

  36. “I’d like to propose there is a deeper red (a rich blood colored) pill. That is to fully recognize the natures of men and women in their natural state but draw out the higher purpose in both sexes. Hold ourselves accountable to ourselves as beings higher than animals. To expect from women something better than we know their nature seeks. In essence we wholly embrace the Pygmalion effect and, with full knowledge of hypergamy and the feminist narrative, expect more from and lead these women in the right direction. I want to see men who are Generals not Privates.”

    Couldn’t agree more, and I railed on this theme a while ago in the comments here. There’s some resistance to it, I’ve found, from people who don’t believe in any higher purpose of that sort. Those people get relatively more traction in the manosphere because they usually rank higher on the sociopathic traits you need to lay women in a dysfunctional, disordered society. For my part, I’ve never been ashamed at being bad at that. If, tomorrow, they announced on all the television stations that we were all now supposed to lurch along the ground on all fours like baboons if we wanted to get laid, would you do that? (Much of the sh*t people do nowadays is, to me, at least as debasing.)

    It’s also a better approach because it is not an embittered approach. Like you say, it’s just as much about leading women to a better destination as well. In fact for me a lot of my “red pill” instincts came at a time when I was very blue pill, even feminist, but the girl I was with was not — not for any deep philosophical reason, just because she understood what she really wanted. And that, as she made very clear to me, was to be led. Just because women think this sh*it is good for them doesn’t mean it is. And although conflict is our reality, it should not be our destination. What we want is a social order where women are restored to their proper place, where they will in fact be happiest. Just get a glimpse of some of the women who are already there. It will take away much of your bitterness because you will realize that deep down there is a convergence.

    That is directly contradictory to what RT preaches — but the convergence is not at the level of our base instincts. It’s at the level of our reflective, considered self-interest.

    I don’t know if society can be saved; and I don’t care. If it all falls apart, that increases the importance and the opportunity for masculine leadership, it does not decrease it. I think that’s another thing people miss.

  37. One other point of note: Girls dressing scantily in school (or elsewhere) is only rarely motivated by a desire to attract males. Rather, it is motivated by a desire to compete among females. Girls won’t necessarily perceive this motivation in themselves – instead, they may claim that dressing a certain way makes them feel “powerful” or “free”. But that sense of power comes from a feeling of superiority among other females, derived from a sense of being more attractive than the others.

    It is not that girls are trying to distract boys (most boys, most of the time), but rather that they are trying to make themselves feel better about themselves at the expense of other girls. In other words, it is about vicious intra-sexual competition.

    I send my children, boys and girls, to a school with uniforms (and not the short-skirt uniforms) so that intra-sexual competition using clothes is a non-issue for them. That is the main point of dress codes in schools, with the inter-sexual attraction element as a sidebar.

    The facebook meme should, therefore, not read “Don’t shame women for their bodies, teach men not to view women as sex-objects.” Rather, it should read “Don’t shame men for their sex drives, teach women not to compete with each other based on their sexuality.”

    Or better yet, eliminate the memes entirely and enforce a fair dress code for boys and girls, teaching them self-respect and preparing them for what the future workplace will demand. Period.

  38. Ha ha ha! Na na nu na na….bet you want to fuck me, yea I know you want to fuck me. I need you to want to fuck me. You know you want to fuck me. Your a villain if you want to fuck me. Your stupid if you want to fuck me. You have to want to fuck me. I’m not going to let you fuck me. Wouldn’t you love to fuck me. Your such an idiot if you want to fuck me. I dare you to want to fuck me…….

  39. @Fitzwilliam

    I think most people you would find on this blog would admit to wanting balance. To me (this changes frequently because of smart people on this blog) peak Male Imperative would be the sex slaves, Dark Ages, or rape gangs of some dysfunctional African country. Peak FI would be signaled by the age of first pregnancy = highest age of possible fertility.

    IMO in the 1950’s or 60’s there was a balance. Obviously any balance that we reach in the coming decades would look much different than the 1960’s, but you get my point.

  40. @Lucien, I understand your frustration of struggling to focus amongst so many boorishly dressed girls.

    There is certain value to an “abundance mentality” about women – but an abundance of “what”. When girls sell their goods to everybody – you are not their only buyer. While it’s fun to be titillated, few guys can accomplish very much walking around perpetually aroused.

    I prefer more modestly dressed girls, who can express their attractiveness without showing everything. My imagination can supply testosterone enough. Unfortunately, such girls are harder to come by nowadays. The “bare-all bar” sinks ever lower. Why stop at yoga pants? Might as well just walk around bare-assed…

    Fortunately, I do not live in the U.S. now, but a somewhat more conservative country. Recently, dating a moderate Islamic girl, with non-FI values yet modern… feels like I’ve time-traveled to a healthier 1950s America.

  41. To take it a bit deeper: here’s how I would characterize the problem with feminism, to a random mainstream person who asked about it. I would say that feminism has become a power philosophy. This is a term Bertrand Russell uses in his great book, Power, to describe a bunch of philosophies of which Nietzscheanism is the prime example. A power philosophy is an ideology used to justify the seizure of power by a particular group. It says, in effect, that nothing is better than that “we” have as much power as possible.

    Feminism has clearly become an ideology of this sort. It is simply a stock of devices used to make the case, in every context and setting, that women should have as much power as they can possibly get.

    The reason this works: power philosophies are already deeply embedded in our way of thinking after the scientific revolution and Enlightenment — rather, what’s become of them in the twentieth century. The unbridled pursuit of one’s egoistic drives: that is the only philosophy we have today. You all know it, because it’s the first thing anyone in high school or college reaches for when they start thinking a little more deeply. They reach for Ayn Rand. And it’s what most people in the manosphere avow as well. The reason everyone instinctively reaches for it when they start (supposedly) “thinking for themselves” is that it is what is already there, it is all that is available in our culture.

    Unfortunately, the unbridled pursuit of ego by each and every member of society is a recipe for total chaos and social disaster: Hobbes’s war of all against all. The only thing holding us back at this point is a residue of prosocial instinct, retained from a more primitive time in our development as a species.

    Feminism is a softball pitched to women from centuries past, which they are now hitting out of the park. Women have never before had the opportunity to join fully as members of this ego-driven culture. Now they are claiming equal rights to participate in it. Those prosocial instincts that have kept us together up to this point: it was mostly women cultivating and preserving them. And now they have largely stopped.

    So feminism is ultimately a nihilistic and destructive enterprise, for the same reasons that all power philosophies are. Except that feminism is bringing power philosophy to the heart of traditional social and family structure, which was the only thing (irrationally) keeping us together.

    I think this helps show how feminists really are tapping into and echoing something that is already out there, which forms the basis for their claims. In essence they say men are already acting according to a power philosophy, so women should too. But that is just an interpretation of reality: I would never grant that most men actually live by a pure power philosophy, nor would I advocate that they do so. This also helps explain the bizarre, nearly inexplicable relationship between feminists and white knights. White knights only exist because the feminist belief that all men live by a pure power philosophy is false; but they insist on that false reading of society and thus remain blind to the fact that large numbers of men are already sunk deep in feminism.

  42. c1hvh

    August 25th, 2015 at 8:40 am

    “Me and my girl are both devout catholics, ”

    “The details, for context: Me 26, she 23, she had sex with 2 other bfs before me.”

    Your girl has fornicated with three men now, hard to call her “devout”, don’t you think?

  43. The entire manosphere, red pill awarness, game theory & practice and all these discussions are a reaction to the FI and hypergamy. All this is created by man because man defers to the FI. Men are reacting to the effects of the FI and hypergamy because man has accepted the FI and hypergamy as primary, placing them above himself in his own mind. Otherwise, man would simply laugh at them. Some men do…very few. The FI currently dominates because most men choose to be subjugated. Regardless of conditioning, we all still have a choice. We are not merely puppets of social conditioning and our innate drives. We do have a choice and the power to act on our own free will.

  44. “One other point of note: Girls dressing scantily in school (or elsewhere) is only rarely motivated by a desire to attract males. Rather, it is motivated by a desire to compete among females. Girls won’t necessarily perceive this motivation in themselves – instead, they may claim that dressing a certain way makes them feel “powerful” or “free”. But that sense of power comes from a feeling of superiority among other females, derived from a sense of being more attractive than the others.”

    False dichotomy. They are competing with other girls to be the most attractive, yes, but what does it mean to be the most attractive? To whom? How do they know who is the most attractive? Why is being attractive powerful?

    Yes, they may be too stupid to have thought it all through — it appears that most people in this society are. But the unconscious is always on the right track.

  45. Some perspective:
    1) for all the carping, the law upholds school dress codes and will continue to do so. The school admins’ justifications are generally upheld too: no gang colors, no “prison garb” wear for boys (i.e., saggy pants), no torn clothes (for anybody), no visible tattoos, fuck-you T shirts, “general offensiveness”. Schools are entitled to set decorum rules, can say they are preparing students for the business world, where uniforms and dress codes are required. If they want to dress in sartorial splendor 24-7, they can find another job. You can’t sue every boss on every job and claim you don’t have to wear the uniform because social justice. Gets old kinda fast and you stop getting hired since you have a propensity to whine and sue so you don’t have to do the job.

    The boy-shaming soccer moms can make noise at school board meetings, but that’s a fight they will most likely lose.

    There are collegiate types now trying to get jobs in D.C. who can never wear short shirts since they tattooed their arms too much. Need long-sleeves to cover those up, even in 90 degree weather. They find out fast: you’re not taken seriously as a congressional staffer when the first thing anyone sees is the full-color Kraken tattoo on your forearm.

    2) As for complaints about fuglys trying to dress sexy, everything old is new again: Lenny Bruce did a bit about being stuck in Lima Ohio with a dull group while hanging out between shows. He described one woman’s outfit thus: “it’s the kind you can see through but you don’t WANNA.”

    3) The whole “girls can dress like sluts to be sexy” but “BOYS SHOULD BE TAUGHT TO NOT LOOK AT THEM” duality is part and parcel of yes means yes and the de-sexualization of young college-bound men. It is happening and it will be something to behold. The F.I. is creating the sort of men they want, and they won’t like what they see. Of course, the failure of those men to “man up” and be worthy, exciting suitors to their daughters will be the man’s fault.

    4) The remaining alpha-leaning guys will hang in frats and put up rude signs to bait the SJW’s. There is some risk there, since the profs will obey SJW whining, the frats can get sanctioned or closed. But overall they are the ones being seen as “rebellious” and “dangerous”, upholding the ruder aspects of free speech, and therefore exciting places to be.

  46. Also, the false dichotomy assumes something about the opposing claim. It implies that the opposing hypothesis is that girls dress like sluts because they want to have sex with guys. No! If only! That is the Sun Wukong mistake. You are absolutely right, that is not why they do it — they do it because they want power. The power comes from signaling value, not from spending it down by actually sleeping with boys.

    And though promiscuity has its defects from a male perspective, the (accurate) story you tell is even worse — heightened female power, with males not even getting sex out of the deal.

    Think to yourself just how viciously, how shrilly, the right to dress like a whore is defended in this society. It is probably the dark heart of the feminine imperative. Because it ensures that men can never get away from the product, that they never be allowed to stop thinking about it. It ensures that we never be allowed to forget that they have something that we want.

    Imagine if we were afforded a similar power: the right to use our form of physical superiority anytime we wanted. The right to resort to violence. And insisted that women should never, ever be permitted to even raise their voice in protest, that they should be shamed for complaining or resisting, like the sign above says.

  47. Sun Wukong @ 2:03 am:
    “You can’t have sex and not go to Hell without being married, and The Church just happens to be the sole provider of gasp marriage!”

    If the Churchians had actually provided marriage along with the no-extramartial-sex message, things would have worked well enough. Instead, the message was “sex only in marriage” to guys and “don’t get married” to girls.

  48. The terms “Alpha” and “Beta” as they are used in this context describe characteristics defined entirely by feminine perspective. Men who compare themselves to those characteristics are deferring to the feminine. Any man who concerns himself with this frivolous measure is subjugating himself to the FI. He prefers to establish his identity of himself for himself based upon what he expects the feminine to consider him. This is the most fundamental form of willing enslavement and he enslaves himself to what he expects her ideal to be by his own choice.

  49. Don’t LARP here.

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/28/humanism-behaviorism-and-the-amorality-of-game/

    Every vice you can point a negative finger at operates in precisely in this dynamic. Our morality, our intelligence, our sexuality and the behaviors that are manifested by them are all motivated by this base. It would be a pleasant fiction if we could all remove our consciousness from this and be these enlightened, self-actualized beings, constantly operating in a state of peak experience, but this damn testosterone in my body keeps pulling me back down to earth. It may be morally reprehensible for a woman to break her marriage commitment, divorce her husband and remarry a rich entrepreneur, but from a behavioral perspective it makes long term pragmatic sense.

    The problem that moral relativism poses to the humanist approach isn’t so much in recognizing this primitive base motivation, but an unwillingness to embrace it and live with it and use it.

    I want to run, I want to fuck and I want to fight – I want to feel the blood, testosterone and adrenaline pumping in my arteries. I also want to write a sonata, paint a masterpiece and be a loving father to my daughter.

    Behaviorism is the antithesis of putting angels wings on our backs and claiming we’ve evolved ‘above all of that.’ I haven’t, you haven’t and no one has, and our behaviors will make hypocrites of us whenever condition and opportunity facilitate it for us. It’s not that behaviorism would have us all living like animals in the bush as an ideal state, nor does it deny that people have very ennobling qualities; it simply accepts the whole of what prompts us to do what, why & how we do things and explores the reasons why in a far more fundamental way than a romanticized humanism. I’m sure this is akin to atheism for people invested into humanism, but nothing could be further from the truth. It’s simply a more pragmatic, efficient and realistic approach for explaining behavior.

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/03/23/moral-to-the-manosphere/

    If you choose to derive your personal value from some esoteric sense of what sex ‘should’ mean, more power to you, but I find it’s a much healthier position to accept a balance between our carnal natures and our higher aspirations. It’s not one or the other. It’s OK to want to fuck just for the sake of fucking – it doesn’t have to be some source of existential meaning. If you think it means something more, then that’s your own subjective perspective – even in marriage there’s ‘maintenance sex’ and there’s memorable, significant sex – but it’s a mistake to think that the totality of the physical act must be of some cosmic significance.

    It is as equally unhealthy to convince oneself that self-repressions are virtues as it is to think that unfettered indulgences are freedoms. There is a balance.

  50. gunnerq,

    “If the Churchians had actually provided marriage along with the no-extramartial-sex message, things would have worked well enough. Instead, the message was “sex only in marriage” to guys and “don’t get married” to girls.”

    This right here. I constantly see this in the church. The “don’t get married” message is usually couched in the standard feminist propaganda. Don’t get married yet because you should be working on your career or “working for God” as they say. Use your “gift of singleness” to advance God’s kingdom and all that bullshit. I know a mother in my church, she is encouraging her daughter to go to law school. I did my best to discourage that mostly because law school is a joke and the mother got pissed with me because I was discouraging her from doing something with her life. Apparently, getting married young when you have the ability to pull the best guy and starting a family is “doing nothing with her life”. No wonder abstinence doesn’t work.

  51. “One problem I have with recent rise of self-styled anti-feminist “Red Pill Women” is that while on the surface it appears that they are “pro-men”, the real impetus is that they are “anti-feminists”

    LOL! No, Tomassi. What they are is women desperate for male attention who engage in relentless sexual competition with other women. They seek the approval of the manosphere by bashing and attacking other women, including feminists. They are totally “pro-men,” in the sense that what they seek is that ever elusive male sexual approval. They wish to be the special snowflake, the pretty princess that gets it, and there can only be one.

    “Most traditionalist women would be appalled to be associated with anything bearing the Feminist® brand name, but still find themselves carrying the same flag when it comes to their rationalized beliefs. The ‘Sisterhood’ comes before all other considerations…”

    Now that is somewhat amusing. Tomassi, there is no sisterhood! You are confusing that with the good old boy network. Seriously, most women don’t even like each other, let alone their own selves.

    Look deeper Tomassi, feminism not designed to destroy men, but rather to destroy women, to rid the world of any perceived sexual threats or rivalries. That is why we are instructed to cut our hair, to gain 50 pounds, to remember you can’t be smart and pretty at the same time, and always be dominant around men.

  52. They have a right to be a victim of the attention that they seek.
    But really, it’s not the clothes. Only the good looking ones will be seen as sexual.
    And I’ve never met a girl who wore something that violated a dress code somewhere, felt ashamed of anything. They felt annoyed by the rule, and if anything concerning their looks felt good about being deemed distracting. Which they took as sexy and attractive.

  53. @Lucien
    Well said, you and I seem to have a similar outlook. Glad to know I’m not alone in aspiring to higher things.

    @Andy
    Agreed, balance is most important. Towing any line for the sake of towing it will lead to imbalance. It’s imperative that we men see the big picture and fix our gaze on an outcome as we walk toward it. Keeping in mind that we will face opposition from those who tow lines with self gratification in mind.

  54. Oh yeah almost forgot: some of the :topless women” thing is a group of new-age dingbats called “Raelians”, The Rael cult was a thing in hippie days and published some books and shit that make Scientology look like a home economics class. They’ve done the shirt-doffing thing before.

    One disturbing aspect of the “painted women” in Times Square is they are not doing it for the joy of self-expression: they are being pimped out by some guy who takes a cut of whatever they get paid for taking a picture with you. It was pimp guy’s concept so he gets a taste for every girl who is paid by the rube who forks over the $50. I was just there and saw it. It was instantly clear to me that some of those women did not want to be there but it was a gig, like the losers who dress up like Big Bird and Elmo to scarf money off young kids’ parents.

  55. “It’s not just grrrl-power demi-lesbians with fuschia hair, it’s that sensibly dressed lady in Target too”

    PS, I should praise you for your somewhat clever cultian tactic of making sure men understand that All Women Are Like That, All Churches Are Like That, so men will feel totally isolated, devoid of all outside help, relieved of any hope…. and therefore forced to turn only to you for support.

    You can’t fool all of the people all of the time, but you sure can fool enough of them to make it worth your while, can’t you?

  56. Oh well. I have a simple suggestion. If a schoolgirl is found violating the dress code, she’s not to be sent home or forced to change clothes, she’s to be given an official notice that she’s expected to show up properly dressed the next day, or else she’ll be sent home. Voilá! Her education wasn’t interrupted.

  57. After coming to a full RP understanding my personal issues with feminism just stopped and I don’t really understand why RP men want to fight it like many seem to try? Feminism is such an obvious shit-test. Everything feminists say regarding men is desperately begging for an agree & amplify answer.

    Blaming men for whatever: “Of course I’m to blame, for I’m the devil, the root of all evil in the world.” (and now what?)

    Except from the manosphere radical feminism is actually the only instance in the modern world telling men how to be proper men – you only have to do the opposite of what they say they want. And of course hardcore feminists just melt when faced by a charming jerkboy with the necessary boldness.

    We all know getting angry at a women for a shit test is not the proper way to deal with it. So why fight feminism as if it would be a male ideology? Don’t you understand that game?

    My issue with feminism is: their game is bad. A women throwing over shit test after shit test can be enormous fun – but only if she does it in a charming and playful way, like knowing and expecting you’re gonna pass without doubt and she is already wet from the expectation. My last Oneitis was of that kind and I’m still wondering how to live without because very few women have that much female game. Unfortunately this is not how feminism and feminists do it.

    On top of it feminists are mostly ugly bitches. I even think “feminism as a shit test” could be the unfuckables trying to up their game to compete. If only someone told them how to do it properly. But because they are uninteresting anyway, ignoring seems to be the obvious solution?

    So I actually think it is the mens fault. Women don’t come to proper playfulness without men on top of their game. And that is what is missing.

    Why the fuck do men let themselves blame for something or let women tell them anything about their sexuality? Your job is to not give a fuck. And proudly teach this to your sons by example.

    This last thing is what got missing. RedPill Enlightenment (that term is very appropriate here, Kant would have liked it) is the solution.

  58. “The sisterhood may be composed of members that all hate each other, but they will gladly put that aside to support, and excuse the worst of their sisters behaviors when men threaten judgement or action.”

    The time for judgement and action is long before two children are dead and a woman is in prison. Far too often men are compelled to act, but only long after the fact, and only than out of a sense of guilt for having failed to act in the first place. You will not understand this, but Dalrock does not harm Susan Smith at all, he harms himself and the men who follow him. That is the problem with soul rot, it rots your own soul, not the souls of others. If I were motivated by a need to protect and defend the alleged sisterhood, I wouldn’t say a word. Many of you guys are the best public relations campaign the alleged “sisterhood” ever had.

  59. insanitybytes22
    August 25th, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Damn, I fully agree with insanity on that comment. Do I need medical help?

    And it’s fun to watch how she is even explaining her own motivations for being here just to make those others look bad. Talk about competitive animals.

  60. Rollo:

    “One problem I have with recent rise of self-styled anti-feminist “Red Pill Women” is that while on the surface it appears that they are “pro-men”, the real impetus is that they are “anti-feminists”. In other words, their primary concern becomes one of opposing the methods and ideologies of how best to assert the influences of the Feminine Imperative they both ultimately serve.”

    Like other commentators here, I’ve noticed that it’s often easier to talk redpill truths to women than it is to men. They have an innate understanding/acknowledgement of it. You often need to dress the truth in gently nonjudgemental language, but they tend to ‘get it’ rather than ignore or violently oppose.

    Example 1: I was telling my sister that a popular song was driving me nuts because it was the usual obsequious pining of some man who was trying to tell a girl that she’s made a mistake leaving him for another man. I told her that the very fact that he was trying to get her back destroyed his chances of doing so, since it demonstrated a very unattractive neediness. She agreed. A beta never ‘gets’ this, they try to worm out of it or create exceptions.

    Example 2: Was talking about my brother’s recent marriage with a relative. He’s an academic, but pretty sensible and has a history as an alpha college athlete. So I thought he might get it a bit. I was telling him that my brother’s temper still freaks out his bride a bit, but in the end it’ll be a good thing since he has enough self-control to not actually hit or hurt anyone unless in undoubtable self-defense, and because it demonstrates a genuineness, passion, and presence of boundaries that is important for attraction. This totally fried his circuits; there seemed to be no holding place in his head for ‘man who has temper’ and ‘not abuser.’ I don’t have the same issue describing this point to most women, so long as I frame what I mean by ‘temper’ carefully.

    All this to point out the single, glaring exception. You will never encounter a stronger feeling of talking to a stone wall than when you bring up a redpill truth to a woman when that truth happens to oppose her current sexual strategy. Slut, church girl, doesn’t matter. AWALT. It’s probably actually one of the best ways you can tell what a woman’s current sexual strategy actually is lol.

  61. From the OP: “Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

    In the last thread, I urged Rugby to let no tyrants live in his own head.

    Let me expand slightly. Don’t let them live outside of your head either. And if a tyrant lives there – a thought, a pattern, a prohibition that prevents you from doing the sort of thing you do, or that prevents you from finding out who the fuck you are – it’s likely that tyrant was installed from elsewhere.

    Sometimes it’s fine to feel anger rather than shame. You can stop feeling both when all the tyrants, and their teachers, are dead or less powerful than you are.

  62. An example of a soccer mom putting aside her issues with slut moms and dress codes and joining forces…

    My niece’s mother is a Southern Lady, with dignity taste and all the pretense and propriety that go along that. She finds much distasteful with how young women dress today. Not that she’s a prude, but rather she’s comfortable with ’70s version of immodesty, and less so with the 2015 version. Whilst discussing this with her I found out that, being a man, I am not allowed an opinion on this. I learned that:

    1. It’s OK for women to dress however they wish, and men must control their reactions, and at least remain discreet and polite as per the post.

    2. No man may have an opinion of a woman’s/girl’s fashion choices, especially if that opinion implies judgements about the woman’s character.

    3. Because of #2 it is OK for women to make such judgements, and argue amongst themselves.

    4. The sisterhood will close ranks to keep the men out of the discussion.

    As we discussed the in and outs of the issue the only thing I could offer* was that a silent man is not without opinion or judgement. And dressing like a slut means being treated** like one. I also offered the opinion, popular amongst my friends, that a tramp stamp implies anal after a three drink minimum. Needless to say she was shocked by my callous, sexist, and chauvanistic attitude to which I responed “yeah, but you’ll get over it, I know I did.”

    * The best part is her husband paid the price for my remarks.
    ** The amount of time and attention spent is a calculation of what is necessary to get the sex. No sex and time and attention cease. The problem for the BluePill guys is knowing when to abandon hope, even though they play the sort of game.

  63. lh – “After coming to a full RP understanding my personal issues with feminism just stopped and I don’t really understand why RP men want to fight it like many seem to try? Feminism is such an obvious shit-test. Everything feminists say regarding men is desperately begging for an agree & amplify answer.”

    It’s the larger policy implications fuel my desire for a war on feminism. Otherwise you’re correct and we should point and laught at the women play as though equals of men.

  64. Insanity “The time for judgement and action is long before two children are dead and a woman is in prison.”

    The time for judgement is after a crime is committed and a suspect adjudicated, and found guilty.

  65. “* The best part is her husband paid the price for my remarks.”

    Of course. You were showing her how a proper man is.

  66. So feminism is ultimately a nihilistic and destructive enterprise, for the same reasons that all power philosophies are.

    I believe the problem is that (most) women falsely assume that power = happiness for them. This may be true for most men, but for women, power and responsibility leaves them with an increasingly hollow feeling.

    The final episode of the show Damages is a great example of this. The whole series really.

    Women cannot ensure their own happiness unless they wake up to the realities of their own DNA.

    If history teaches us anything… Women cannot be responsible for ensuring their own happiness. Period.

  67. Why not just send the geekiest, ugliest looking boys to school scantily clad and return the distraction favor? With all the gender neutral legal wording and political correctness around gender identity it would be difficult for them to stop it.

  68. “The time for judgement is after a crime is committed and a suspect adjudicated, and found guilty.”

    Well, there goes all arguments for the 2nd amendment. Let’s all just wait patiently for crimes to be committed and the suspects safely locked away before we ever engage or take action?

    Now tell me that male solipsism isn’t a real thing in the world.

  69. insanitybytes22
    August 25th, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Damn, I fully agree with insanity on that comment. Do I need medical help?

    No, you only need to be told that you’re mistaken. Those traditionalist “Red Pill women” were never seeking male approval. They don’t care about that. They saw that the Manosphere has a growing audience, and they wanted to take advantage of that by inflitrating it, pretending to be on its side and trying to recruit clueless males to their own little cause. They wanted virtual beta orbiters for the attention. And when it didn’t work, they turned into typical nasty cunts resorting to the same old tactic of shaming language, and started complaining about all those sleazy, demonic, horrible MRA/PUA assholes on their little blogs.

  70. Why not just send the geekiest, ugliest looking boys to school scantily clad and return the distraction favor?

    No. The way to return that favor is by sending the hottest, most handsome male students to school dressed as bikers, gangsters, vampires and Tarzan.

  71. “They wanted virtual beta orbiters for the attention.”

    She said that just with other words.

    “Now that is somewhat amusing. Tomassi, there is no sisterhood! You are confusing that with the good old boy network. Seriously, most women don’t even like each other, let alone their own selves.”

    That part is more controversial, but as I understand Rollo it’s basically his view too. There is no conspiracy. The hive-mind works because of AWALT. They simply act & react all in very similar ways. They all have the same goal too: Get the best possible man for making children and tame him to provide for her and her children.

  72. My soon to be ex is “red pill”

    Just more tools in the shaming toolbox.

    Of course, this is the same woman that despises Tomassi because of his essay about women and empathy. But can she empathize with men? Oh god no.

    Lead to some amusing truths being leaked out though! Like her admitting I am only good to her as a provider because she is not and never was attracted, or that she never thought I would leave because she didn’t believe that I held value to any other women.

  73. “If a schoolgirl is found violating the dress code, she’s not to be sent home or forced to change clothes, she’s to be given an official notice that she’s expected to show up properly dressed the next day, or else she’ll be sent home.”

    Recently here in Germany a story broke on the media where a school was giving girls with too sexy dresses plain XXXL t-shirts to wear over it. There was of course a feminist outcry. But the director of the school who gave that advice was a women, so the uproar didn’t run.

    All I thought was: Look at those post-wall teachers wanting the desires of those young horny boys for themselves without that unbeatable competition.

  74. “Recently here in Germany a story broke on the media where a school was giving girls with too sexy dresses plain XXXL t-shirts to wear over it. There was of course a feminist outcry. But the director of the school who gave that advice was a women, so the uproar didn’t run.”

    My niece in high school (freshman) got a boy suspended for a day from school, because she wore yoga pants to school and he had the nerve to say “damn” when she bent over in front of him.

    She described him as a “nerd”

    In other words, his remark was offensive because she does not find him attractive, so he got suspended ON THE FIRST DAY.

    Feminism being a shit test or not, there are very real repercussions for men who break “the rules”

  75. Insanity – “Well, there goes all arguments for the 2nd amendment. Let’s all just wait patiently for crimes to be committed and the suspects safely locked away before we ever engage or take action?”

    Your stupidity is eclipsed only by the sophistry of your arguments. Don’t you have housework to do? Maybe some mending, or perhaps you could watch those women’s stories on the TV. I hear those popular with the old broads.

  76. “My niece in high school (freshman) got a boy suspended for a day from school, because she wore yoga pants to school and he had the nerve to say “damn” when she bent over in front of him.
    Feminism being a shit test or not, there are very real repercussions for men who break “the rules””

    All that boy needs is a father laughing at the story and letting him describe that ass in all detail, saying:

    “Sounds nice, I would have liked that too. Listen, son, it is very important you never let a women tell you anything about your sexuality. Most of what you need to know is inside you anyway, search for it. Of course they will try, but our job as men is to not give a fuck. Don’t let yourself shame for your desires. But if she didn’t respond well, you were doing something wrong. Look: you can never give a women all she wants, like your admiration for her ass. Always keep something back so she can give you more to get it.”

    And regarding being suspended from school (for being a sexual man!) is, if the boy wears it with confidence and proudness and maybe some cleverness, a very good start to a sexually fulfilled school life with lots of female attention. Producing a helpless Gamma is way worse.

  77. What I find most entertaining about IB chiming in here is that her first priority was to once again defend the sisterhood rather than address Holistic Game’s leaving his faith because of it.

    It speaks volumes as to where her thinking originates. Her faith is fraudulent, her conviction ends where the Feminine Imperative begins.

  78. “Yes, I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

    It’s actually even worse, if you can fathom that. Someday these women are going to hit the “epiphany phase” and at that point the pastors ( I grew up in the church as well, so I’ll focus on that context) will start to notice that they’re hearing a new set of wailings from most of the single women aged 29 and over:

    “Where did all the good men go?”

    “Why can’t I find a husband?”

    “What’s wrong with the single church men that they won’t approach women to date and marry them?”

    In a feminine-primary world where the girls dressed like tramps and collected their Alpha fucks but still showed up after it was all over to beg for God’s grace, training the young men to be eunuchs was the sensible choice for the preachers. But when the sluts seem to have reformed themselves? And when the Reverend then starts to reason that at some point the next generation of the church has to come from somewhere? At that point, some testosterone would be nice, if only you hadn’t regulated it out of the place.

    But why can’t our young men get it back? Do they not see what’s needed now? Why can’t they MAN UP AND MARRY THOSE SLUTS?!

    Preachers — and the Feminine Imperative they pimp for — are going to need both the gelding who keeps it zipped and the virile man who takes care of business. They will need both for different situations and different reasons. They will need them both on their own timetable, both to be ready at their beck and call. And if it’s not too much, both hopefully existing in the same man — just not at the same time, and not when they need one and not the other.

    So If the message from the the pulpit seems constrictive to you, bear in mind that it will change when the circumstances of the women require it ( and again a few too times after that as well ). Or to quote an old line: This too shall pass. Just not with your benefit at heart.

  79. I’ve been a high school teacher for many years, and many of those years were in Las Vegas (Henderson, to be more accurate), and the female students there dressed very provocatively. Ironically, perhaps, the young men there are so inured to the young women’s dress that it’s about as distracting to them as that godawful carpeting in the old casinos.

    This is why I think think the conservative, “responsible mothers” types are against young women dressing in booty shorts and displaying their oh-so-uniquely adorned midriffs: these provocatively dressed young women devalue the market by diminishing the scarcity of flesh to oogle, which in Vegas is already a saturated market.

    If the conservatively dressed Target-clad mothers and daughters are to have any hopes of even consolidating on the barest beta they can filter in, they’re going to have to up their games because the young men just aren’t impressed otherwise. Women are very sensitive to other women’s distortions of the SMP, and behaviors like slut-shaming remain more brutal than anything cooked up for Hester Prynne.

    One exception to the argument above that illustrates your conclusion, Rollo, is that one group of church-going students, and if you’ve kids in Henderson, you know exactly which group I’m referring to, always, always, followed dress code, but they were in an artificially constrained SMP due to the nearly iron-clad pattern of inter-group dating within their church. However, they were relatively assured of latching on to a beta at a very young age; unfortunately for them, though, that population of young men was even more beta than the general population, often with even schlubbier tendencies.

  80. @ib

    “I’ve said it a million times, but come judgment day I’d rather be a harlot than a self righteous Christian with a hard heart.”

    IB: shame on Rollo, shame on the men here, shame on Dalrock, shame on self righteous Christians, shame on feminists, shame on attention whores, shame on those who don’t understand child murderers, shame the way animals are treated in zoos, shame on old histrionic nags

  81. Insanity
    ” That is the problem with soul rot, it rots your own soul, not the souls of others. If I were motivated by a need to protect and defend the alleged sisterhood, I wouldn’t say a word. Many of you guys are the best public relations campaign the alleged “sisterhood”

    I’d like to see things from your point of view, but I can’t seem to get my head that far up your ass.

  82. @imnobodyoo

    ” See the black ghetto to check what a partial unleashing of human desires can accomplish.”

    Uh, wrong.

    What you see in the average ” black ghetto ” ( or mostly any ghetto ) is a matriarchy with the full backing of the state. It has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of unleashing of human desire. That’s a wrong-headed hypothesis on your part.

    What you determine to be an ” unleashing of human desire ” is more correctly a combination of frustration and ignorance financed and encouraged by SJW’s/FI/Pop Culture-media sources.

    ” In addition, I know this can sound weird but you get more happiness by repressing your instincts that f*cking every thing that moves (I know because I have been in both situations).”

    The above is what works for YOU ( I guess..). I’m a huge fan of God, but his followers make me crazy. If a church is CHRISTIAN, they should always be asking What Would Jesus Do? Get it? Christian=Christ…right? Why the fuck do church Christians keep trying to revert back to Old Testament teachings? Jesus was about love and forgiveness. Why do his followers constantly torture themselves while judging every action made by men with such a harsh eye – an eye harsher than the eye that God himself would use to judge?

    Repression. Look at that word.

    I think men should exercise ” control “. Men should not be ” repressed “. Even the terminology is fucked up.

    Judge not…etc. etc. etc.

    Let he who is without sin…etc. etc. etc.

    Fellow readers, do not ” repress ” your instincts. Your instincts are there for a reason. They would probably save your life or at a minimum, make you more resistant to bullshit.

    I’ve never had more happiness by repressing my instincts than I got from fucking everything that moves. GTFOH with that shit. If it worked for you, fine. Go in Peace my son.

    TL,DR; Man has free will given by God. God loves and forgives when asked.

  83. To touch on the aspect of the sisterhood. This really connected with me because I saw it in full effect during my custody battle for my daughter ( which I ended up losing).

    At the time I was a blue pill self described male feminist. I was doing “everything right”: not forcing gender roles on my daughter, crying in front her during sad (blue pill) movies to teach her that “men can express emotion too”. I was confiding in my female friends, being ‘vulnerable’. Allowing a hb8 friend to come to my house and watch Netflix till the wee hours after I made a move on her and she declined. Listening to her vent about the man she liked and was fuxkiing who was in a relationship and wouldn’t commit to her. I could go on and on, but I’m sure you get the picture.

    What I found interesting was that my female friends were of two camps. One was the ‘gender is a social construct’ camp and the other was the ‘men and women are different and men should lead and dominate’. However, once I filed for custody of my daughter because of her mother’s reckless and dangerous behavior at the time both camps did everything to desuade me. I got reasons ranging from ” a daughter needs her mother” to ” let her go with her mother she’ll come back to you when she’s older” to ” don’t worry too much about your daughters psychological well being she’ll be fine girls are resilient. Therapy as an adult will undo any damage “.
    It was all so confusing to me at the time.

    What I learned that hard way is exactly what rollo touched on in this post. The sisterhood crosses all groups. I’ve learnt to never speak ill of another woman to a woman. Word will get back and it will make the woman you’re confiding in view you differently.

    A funny / not so funny thing that happened after my court battle is that one of the women I was confiding in and venting my frustrations about how biased the courts are to mothers asked me for advice on how to get sole custody of her son from her child’s father. Lol.
    Suffice to say that woman and I (the hb8) no longer speak. I cut her off abruptly.

    Thanks for this post Rollo.

  84. I’m a bit surprised some RP aware guy hasn’t posted on Facebook, in response to this little “flyer” about girls being sent home, something like, “Excuse me, but what do you mean with the word “sexual” when speaking of boys…and why are you even talking about boys’ sexuality?…where do you work, do you work around boys?” etc etc

    I am ALL ABOUT doing the reversal, with race, gender, all of it. Doubling down on blue pill as a tactic (“What right to rich white women have to travel to Africa to ‘use’ African men as sexual servants?”) to tactics as noted above, politely asking the women posting this thing as it makes the rounds, what they mean by using the word “sexual” and “boys” in the same sentence. Even if they counter, you simply say, “Oh, it’s just with all these women raping boys these days (or maybe we’re just hearing about it) I thought you were one of “those” “

  85. The funniest thing about that sign is how Orwellian it is. Black is white. Freedom is slavery. Women’s bodies are not sex objects.

    Literally the only reason there is male and female is because of sex. If there were no male and female, we would reproduce asexually. As in, without sex.

    Feminists…

  86. @Eversure75

    Yep, although I divorced years ago in the early ’00s, I saw all that and more. I’m kinda an old salty veteran of the family law wars, so now I get a kick out of women when I hear them speak of “custody” or CS etc. I black knight their ass immediately and I am finding MORE and MORE support from other men in the traditional white knight circle.

    If she is bitching in the office kitchen/common area, I’m like “Well, why shouldn’t you be agreeable to joint custody (blue pill insertion), I mean, you are DEFINITELY equal to him in your ability to be free and independent…and both of you can best decide where your own money should go”…when she comes back with some NAWALT/This situation is different, routine, I do the whole passing comment (in the presence of men):

    “Oh, sorry that you feel that way about men…are you actually dating men now, wow, that must be weird, I hope they don’t hear your opinion? Hey, who left the mayonnaise in this fridge…it’s old”

  87. “Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

    Thank fuck somebody is actually speaking these truths.

    Something like the above quote is knocking in the back of your subconscious even to the RP guy, until somebody has the balls to declare it and it JUST CLICKS.

    As Rollo pulls the shade away and the bright sunshine just feel so good and liberating.

    Ya, you need a certain level of exposure to the Manosphere and have internalized some of the Alpha ways, to realize how beautifully positive a quote like that is, but it sure makes amazing sense to some of us.

    To a plugged-in, it’ll make no sense and they’ll think it’s negative and I’d been right there with them 3, 4 years ago.

    BTW – I had one male teacher in Elementary school. Our Elementary school had.. 35 or 40 teachers and 3 of them were males. The stigma of being a homosexual or a child molester if ya want to go into Elementary Education, will probably keep it that way. Shitty.

  88. Rollo, you’re one of the few sane voices in the world.

    Please, keep on speaking.

    Don’t let the bastards wear you down.

  89. I asked a woman (and they are all women) from the school board if she thought it was a problem. Her answer? No. The FI is so entrenched that people don’t view a 20% gap as an issue! I did an analysis of test scores to see if there was an equal gap in competency. Nope. No significant gap in competency. 20% gap in college attendance. Fucked. Up.

    Of course not, because men are the “oppressor class”, and until women have parity or better in all fields of work, men should be untertans for the benefit of the advancement of women.

    That, and some of them are convinced that men are just dumber than women, and therefore it makes sense that higher education is becoming female dominated — i.e., men are not cut out for it, so it isn’t a problem, because men don’t have the aptitude that women do for higher thought and education.

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