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Slut Walkers & Soccer Moms

This picture has been making the rounds on Face Book recently. Last I looked it’d been shared about 89,000 times from the source I pulled it from. For the most part, what passes for some organized debate in most comment threads about this centered on a conflict between two factions of women – the responsible mothers and the ‘Slut Walk’ feministas faction of the femosphere.

Yes, ‘responsible mothers’ and Soccer Moms are in fact a very vocal part of the Feminine Imperative’s sphere of social control. It’s a mistake to believe women of a feminist bent are the only driving factor in influencing a feminine-primary social order. It’s not just grrrl-power demi-lesbians with fuschia hair, it’s that sensibly dressed lady in Target too. As I mentioned in last weeks post, Peak Hypergamy is yet to be settled, but until then the women who’s sexual strategy would best be served by keeping the ugliness of it secret will be at odds with women who proudly embrace open Hypergamy with gusto.

It’s easy to apply our Red Pill lens for such things as TV shows, popular music and media, and see the social undercurrent messaging of the Feminine Imperative, but there are some more subtle instances that need a proper lens focus on them. One trapping of the Red Pill lens is that aware men often overlook the more personal, more localized influence of the Feminine Imperative when they see the most public displays of it.

I’ve stated in prior posts that if you took a roomful of God-fearing traditionalist women and asked them if they identified as feminists the answers would range from “No” to a resounding “Hell no!” However, if you asked them specifics of how a woman’s role in society should be defined, what a woman’s obligations to a man ought to be, or in what way women’s influence in should be expressed in our culture (westernizing), then you would get your real answer.

Most traditionalist women would be appalled to be associated with anything bearing the Feminist® brand name, but still find themselves carrying the same flag when it comes to their rationalized beliefs. The ‘Sisterhood’ comes before all other considerations – be they politics, religion or personal interests – the Feminine Imperative is the common thread that underscores all intrasexual relations with women.

Tribe of the Sisterhood

In a social context, a principle strength of the Feminine Imperative is a presupposed, tribalistic sense of intrasexual belonging amongst women that transcends politics, race identity, religious conviction and ideology. We euphemistically refer to this dynamic as the sisterhood, but this female ‘belonging’ shares it’s roots in our foraging evolutionary past. Thus, women from starkly different cultures or socio-economic tiers still share that common theme of pre-known ‘oppression’ by the nebulous patriarchy.

One problem I have with recent rise of self-styled anti-feminist “Red Pill Women” is that while on the surface it appears that they are “pro-men”, the real impetus is that they are “anti-feminists”. In other words, their primary concern becomes one of opposing the methods and ideologies of how best to assert the influences of the Feminine Imperative they both ultimately serve. The common tribalism of the sisterhood is still present, but the applications of how best to instrument it is the source of that conflict.

This is what I believe we’re witnessing in debates of this nature; it is a conflict between women who’d be better served by keeping men confused and in doubt of the mechanics of Hypergamy versus women who believe they’d be better served in openly and proudly embracing Hypergamy. This is the primary reason women despise other women who are openly ‘Gold Diggers’ or ‘Attention Whores’, or even prostitutes – their method of optimizing their own hypergamous interests reveals their sex’s larger sexual strategy which they’d rather men not fully comprehend (until such time as they are ready to consolidate on men’s commitment).

It’s important that Red Pill men not be fooled into thinking that ‘traditionalist’ women are in anyway less predisposed to the influences of their sex’s imperatives. They’re not unique or better suited to a feminine role because of their ideology, they simply can’t afford to have sexual rivals with different methodologies competing for the same optimization of Hypergamy.

Social Saturation

This may seem an unlikely way to address the core issue of this notice to school administrators, but read me out here. There are two presumptions implied in this message. The first is the presumption that these school-age girls are being shamed by expecting them to adhere to some modicum of dressing to a certain standard – a standard they can expect once they exit school as well I should add.

The second is that these girls wearing shorts that are too short, and bra straps so noticeable as to draw attention from school administrators (God forbid a male teacher make such a judgement call) would be more concerned with the their educational prospects than influencing the boys in their environment is questionable.

And lastly the presumption is that boys of a certain age should be taught to control themselves to counter their synaptic wiring and biochemical responses and not ‘objectify’ the girls who take it upon themselves to dress provocatively.

These are relatively easy assessments to make about the intent of this note, however, what both factions of women debating this presume is a condition of feminine primacy. The feminine presumption is one that this school is nominally founded in male primacy – the girls distract the boys with their advertised sexuality – but the expectation is one based in the male Burden of Performance.

While it’s important for men to have an objective understanding of their burden of performance, it’s equally important for men to realize that women understand the utility of that burden and put it to their own opportunistic ends. In a feminine-primary perspective that burden translates into these boys needing to be taught to act against their biological impetus.

The shaming isn’t about girls having their education interrupted for wearing booty shorts or their tits pushed up by exposed bras; the implied shame is that these boys are not being instructed to understand that their burden is one of controlling the very biology that compels them to distraction. In a feminine-primary context the real “shame” should be on the boys who see girls (who are signaling sexual cues) as the sexual objects these girls are intentionally making of themselves.

The implied prioritization of undistracted education is presumed to be focused towards the males in the class, but the reality is that this education is taking place in a feminine-primary environment that is being inconvenienced by social standards.

The Feminine Expectation of Performance

Instead of adapting to the realities of their environment, women expect men to accommodate their sexual strategies and incorporate them into their accepted burden of performance.

CH maxim: The feminist goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality

This goal is eminently more achievable when men are taught that it is an aspect of their Burden of Performance to self-restrict their sexuality for a feminine-primary purpose. It was recently brought up in last week’s comments that the rise in unfettered, openly acknowledged Hypergamy is (or is becoming) a comparable condition to men’s unrestricted sexuality. The contrast of course was flipping the script and considering what the results would be if it were men who’s sexual strategy was unrestricted to the degree Hypergamy has currently.

In an exaggerated feminine-primary context, women like to believe this was once the case. Granted the apex fallacy is rife in that presumption, but the Feminine Imperative needs to establish a preexisting notion that women must necessarily suffer in a masculine-primary social order. That’s the presumptive social context this note was crafted in. The truth of the matter is that the Feminine Imperative cannot afford for both women and men to believe anything different if it is to remain the primary social influence.

This presumption is what brings women of conflicting ideological bents together in solidarity despite their disagreements; there is always a common enemy, a common opposition, in the belief that it’s men who are calling the shots for them. And as I said, this apex fallacy presumption is universal in that it transcends ideology and religious convictions. Thus we see similar social conventions used to maximally restrict male sexuality in those same institutions.

Holistic Game had an interesting take on this restriction this week:

I was raised Southern Baptist, then moved on to some form of megachurch-style evangelical Christianity in high school. I felt that sex before marriage was sinful, that lust was evil, and that the female body was a source of lurid temptation. It was a constant struggle not to look at porn. I remember being in a men’s young adult service when I was 24 and the pastor asked, with heads bowed, if any man in the room hadn’t looked at porn. I peeked and realized no one had raised their hand – every man in the room had indulged at some point. Though I couldn’t grasp it at the time, I’ve since come to understand that there is no point in repressing natural human desire.

I certainly couldn’t contain my urges forever, and ended up losing my virginity later that year. I was teaching guitar to a hot blonde beach babe a couple years older than me, and we got drinks one night. We fooled around, tipsily, and after a few weeks of on-and-off gropings I finally decided to fuck her. After the act was completed, I sat on her deck and looked at the ocean and searched myself. I never imagined the staining of my chastity happening in such a fashion, but I had to face the reality that it had happened. I tried to be honest with myself, and to my surprise, I found that I didn’t feel guilty. At all. The one thing I’d tried to save, that seemed to matter so much to God and his plans, I’d wasted on a stupid blonde I’d end up dumping. I should have felt overwhelmed by holy conviction, but didn’t feel anything but normality. I felt like I was finally part of the human race. This lack of guilt was the crack in the foundation that eventually led to the shattering of the whole rotten edifice.

Holistic expounds on this experience into doubting the existence of God (which I honestly think is a shame), but it’s important to understand how this presumptive state of male social primacy, and the necessity to mandate chastity as a man’s Burden of Performance has effects that go well beyond a man self-limiting his participation in his sexual strategy.

I think a necessary stage in becoming Red Pill aware is truly understanding not just our preconditioning, but the social environment that condition takes place within. This acknowledgement needs to take place in order to really unplug; it cannot simply be an acceptance that a guy was raised into his Blue Pill circumstance, he must also recognize the social conditions he’s still operating within, and he must recognize how to avoid the pitfalls and make the changes he wants to see in that world.

In a Blue Pill, feminine-primary social order plugged in men are left to participate in two institutions: jails and churches. I can imagine the frustration Red Pill men must feel when they see their friends trapped in those institutions. They see their friends in an endless tail-chasing of a performance of their own doing, but a result of their ‘teachers’ investing it in them. They contort in an endless self-expectation to be better men by self-defeating the essence that make them men. Then they are punished for the slightest infraction of acceding to that male essence, not so much by the women they hope to perform for, but rather a disappointment in themselves for not living up to what they believe are their own self-developed expectations of a standard that only serves the feminine.

Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

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Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Sorry about over posting. I just love this shit. I’ve read a few books on femininity. A common theme is that the reason for slutty dress is that women have lost the art of seduction and feminine wiles. They know no other way of attracting men. The theory is that women’s basic need is to be loved, men’s basic need is to be admired… Get the man you want to approach with eye contact and a demure smile or drop something in front of him so he can pick it up. Start a conversation, ask questions about HIM! novel idea.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

“I’ve read a few books on femininity. A common theme is that the reason for slutty dress is that women have lost the art of seduction and feminine wiles. They know no other way of attracting men.” That’s interesting, Andy. I agree in part, but I don’t think that’s the whole equation. The way one dresses is a form of social courtesy. Dressing appropriately, by contrast, is showing consideration and courtesy toward others and people also tend to act differently depending on the way they are dressed. Women are currently highly encouraged to violate societal norms and “push the envelop”… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Empowerment” is just an acceptable mask for unacceptable intents. Consciously or subconsciously… Doesn’t really matter.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@scribblerg Women are completely comfortable with duality and contradiction So much this. One of the most devout Christians I knew a few years back (pre-Red Pill but after choosing atheism) would fuck me, lay in bed telling me the story of the married couple she had a threesome with, then complain that she because she believed in God she couldn’t fuck a man that wasn’t committed to a relationship with her. Then we’d fuck again. This was a chick that by all appearances was super super devout, but wasn’t married to or dating a Christian. She was fucking an atheist.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Andy – No, they are dressing more suggestively because women like short term mating too, and no longer feel ashamed about telegraphing that when the mood hits them (particularly a peak fertility times). You seem to think that women used to not want to fuck hot guys, wrongo buddy. They just are more open about it now. In fact, it’s become a social convention and norm for young attractive women to ride the cock carousel. My question for you is this: Do you want to long for the “good old days” (which weren’t that good in many ways) and be… Read more »

lh
lh
6 years ago

scribblerg
August 27th, 2015 at 9:37 am

Amen

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Scribblerg – “Play the game to win” To me it isn’t about winning, its how you play the game. In today’s world everyone gets a trophy for showing up, so “winning” is empty. And honestly if I have to cheat (based on my views of course) to win I’m not interested in playing the game at all. So to me this isn’t all one game, its many different games being played on the same field at once. I may not be playing the same game you are, but we are playing on the same grid iron against the same opponants.… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

@Rollo “It is as equally unhealthy to convince oneself that self-repressions are virtues as it is to think that unfettered indulgences are freedoms. There is a balance.” Well stated and I agree wholeheartedly. This is not to take away from that truth, but to add to it; add a most crucial specific element of truth. My point was to establish that it is me who determines my identity. It is you who determines your identity. It is each person who ultimately establishes their own identity. Wether we accept the perceptions and expectations of others as elements of our identity or… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“I don’t play the game to get even.”

Finally the man says something sensible, something almost human, something that almost hints at morality…

insanitybytes22
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“…and it still goes over your head.”

Ha! Stop trying to perceive me as the enemy, Tomassi. I see far more than you realize.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

@liz “Social standards and courtesy are kind of the mark of a community and say a lot about the people there. People who violate the norms of societies either do so out of ignorance, or intent. A person who actively chooses to disregard the norms of a culture and behave in an intentionally vulgar manner is being inconsiderate.” Trauma can change the effects on shame and anxiety as well as guilt especially with sexual trauma if I make child gets an erection when his sister sleeps with him in the nude what the body’s response is changed on a cultural… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Rollo – well put. Believe it or not, I’m perfectly fine with only one woman to fuck the rest of my life. I don’t need variety of food, I just need to eat. Do I enjoy a nice meal out!? Sure, and for a few bucks and an hour I can get that. I don’t eat out much though because it costs time and money, and I have perfectly edible food at home. I can put those dollars and time to better use. Same for me with sex. Takes less time and money to have edible food at home than… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

@Scribbleberg, Rollo I don’t think the two ideas are mutually exclusive. We know that men will fuck a slut. Of course. We also know that when a coveted alpha decides to settle down he’s not going to choose a slut. If some woman want’s an alpha to commit, showing up naked and bringing beer isn’t going to cut it. If a 5 or 6 wants to get a high beta that is dating 7’s or 8’s then seduction becomes a tool. If a hottie is going to ride the carousel fine, but there’s no reason to give off slut vibes… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@Sun: That story tho’ bruv….perfectly epitomises the truth about women, and exemplifies how they really are. End of.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

“Ha! Stop trying to perceive me as the enemy, Tomassi. I see far more than you realize.”

In Japanese a response to this would go something like…”For you to think that you can aptly refer yourself as ‘Rollo’s perceived enemy’ is 1,000 years too early.”

“Enemy”?? Don’t kid yourself. Enemy of enlightened discourse and logic maybe….at best a tolerated nuisance whose musings lack amusement with each posting…but carry on.

Keep flicking your hamster bean at Rollo’s and our indifference….

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

Funny field report: There’s a cute 21-22 yr old cashier at my local supermarket. (Actually, she usually oversees the 4 automated self-checkout lanes that are slowly replacing human supermarket cashiers, but I digress.) I’ve noticed her for a while, but never really engaged with her until recently. I’ve been flirting with her for a couple of weeks now, and she seems to enjoy it. She comes near me when I check out, stays in conversations with me (unless she has to do something job-related), and laughs at my teasing. Today, I decided I was going to ask her out, ask… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Ice cold High Life is the best beer on a hot and humid NJ summer day.

Sorry, I can’t get past this embarrassment. You don’t think this has something to do with it?

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Andy

I didn’t say that to her about High Life. I was just saying it here.

And High Life is great ice cold on a hot, humid NJ day. I won’t drink it under any other circumstances.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Kid Jupiter

@Kid Jupiter Hey man just went to eat with a friend of mine and we where served by this women named Paz he wanted her number and I was willing to help him get it. As we left we passed two cars one had a cute blond girl driving by and another had a rather large women he said “Oh Damn”!!! And I said I know she’s hot right but he was referring to the overweight girl and I was talking about the blonde one. We laughed a good amount of time. If the response was Its weird I would… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@andy “if some woman want’s an alpha to commit, showing up naked and bringing beer isn’t going to cut it” no she posts a 16 item list of requirements and says apply within: http://www.popsugar.com/love/Signs-He-Gentleman-36374499 (summary: pay for dinner and wine, hold the door open, have clean nails, career, can read and talk, and “He’s willing to … work for this woman” and note the “might” in “he might want to get into a woman’s bed”) The author has 50 skills listed on her LinkedIn profile, is a victim of some horrific child abuse, writes articles to drive web traffic, was… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@rugby

Learn what? I didn’t do anything wrong or make any mistakes.

I expressed my interest after receiving evidence that she might be amenable to me and she attempted to shame me and my expression of interest. So I smiled & chuckled, didn’t answer her shaming question of “Don’t you think it was weird?”, and walked away. It was actually very easy.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@kid

She responded, “I think it’s weird.”

most consider this a shit test (if she doesn’t walk away). For example:

http://www.theattractionforums.com/general-discussion/11996-youre-weird-ioi-iod-2.html

agree and amply, or better pressure flip:

“yeah, I usually like wild women”

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Community College… Try again next week with Boone’s Farm in the cart.

Seriously though… Maybe you baled too early. Your response seemed a little indignant. But I wasn’t there. And I’m married. Grain of salt.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Andy

@Redligth
Ever notice how women who say what makes the world works already have status and resources

@Kid Jupiter
I suppose I meant to write keep learning and putting yourself out their.

Fred Flange, Master of Spoofs
Fred Flange, Master of Spoofs
6 years ago

Well well! This is the answer to what’s happening at big college campuses. Following on the no-dating discussion above, viddy this, O my brothers, courtesy of Dr. Helen and the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/a-new-book-answers-why-its-so-hard-for-educated-women-to-find-dates/ The book is Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game, by Jon Birger.. The tagline: It’s not that he isn’t into you, it’s that there aren’t enough of him. The money shot: The main idea is that women have been attending college at much higher rates than men since the 1980s, in the U.S. and in other countries around the world. That has led to a… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

Well, I wasn’t about to be pulled into the debate trap, debating whether or not my manly interest in her and request for her # was ‘weird’ and being suckered into qualifying myself, so I pushed it back onto her with, “Ok, if you think it’s weird, then you don’t have to do it. Bye.” I wasn’t going to stick around too long after being told my interest and request was ‘weird’. It just felt like the right response in that moment. We’re in a store where she works, people are walking by, and there was someone behind me on… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Kid Jupiter

@Kid Jupiter
“Failure is so much better than not even trying.”
Yeah every “man” I’ve really learn positive masculinity from has failed more than once
http://www.oprah.com/oprahsbookclub/Oprahs-Exclusive-Interview-with-Cormac-McCarthy-Video
The cans and the part where his wife was about to leave him because he cared so much about just writing than wiring a whole book to answer the question of death to his son.
That kind of failure is something I want to experience and learn from. It’s the kind that gets me up in the morning.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@redlight

I read though some of the attractionforums posts. She didn’t say I was weird, she said she thought my asking her for her # was weird.

If she thought I was weird prior to me asking, she sure had a weird way of showing it…

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

this one is really good:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/3ilzrk/did_i_get_honeypotted/

she cheats, lies, sex dries up, lies, flips out, and he asks:

“But I need to know how to get things back on track”

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@kid

“If she thought I was weird prior to me asking, she sure had a weird way of showing it…”

you did get the part that it was a shit test?

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@redlight

Yes, of course it was a shit test. I get that.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Kid Jupiter

@redlight “I thought back to how my brother and I used to give each other shit, smack each other around and basically roughhouse like boys used to be able to do before a feminine-primary society decided they needed to be medically sedated for their ‘condition’.” Man what I would give for a red pill brother playing rugby or just old school mock up josting Dominance and confidence Women will fuck the alpha at the expense of a beta mindset my headaches come from thinking I could possibly make sense out of their actions in a state of mind they conditioned… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

so agree and amplify, pressure flip etc.

to quote IB’s love of her life:

“appealing to a woman’s reason never ‘solves’ her problem” *

@kid: I replied, “You think it’s weird?”

Trying to introduce logic and reason, not a good idea.

* from

http://therationalmale.com/2015/01/13/acing-the-test/

The Tingler
6 years ago

Hey Rollo, You ever hear of Guttentag-Secord Theory? It explains at a macro level everything you’re talking about here, but I haven’t seen it mentioned on your site. It also shows the main weakness in your red pill theory to date, i.e. your tendency to place women (via FI) in the role of actors in the mating scene when they’re just as much reactors as we are (and we’re just as much actors as they are). Here’s what G-S Theory says: The sex with lower numbers in the mating market gets to call the shots. If there are 100 men… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@The Tingler

I think there’s a flaw in the G-S Theory as described. Even if the gross amount of men outnumber women, not all of those men will be deemed mate-worthy by the women because of hypergamy. And women will always cluster around the highest value men, even sharing the same man they perceive as high value, and many men will get little to none. So not sure how relevant to the results it is if the gross number of men outnumber the women.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

“The flaw in your red pill description of women is that it only covers the female-as-actor side of the dynamic, when all you have to do is look at women’s own writing to see they feel as much acted upon by the mating market as men do.” Its not a flaw. Men don’t need nor should they necessarily care what troubles women have in the dating and mating market. Red Pill is to help men, and women can fend for themselves. In other words, it doesn’t matter if they are “victims” or “rational actors”, the solution is still the same.… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@The Tingler Interesting to see this approached from another angle. I don’t think Rollo’s done a post on it, but in the comments and in the men’s roundtable there’s been a fair amount of discussion of the impact of gender ratios. It’s a pretty big deal. And remember historically many men would not have survived long into adulthood, so the hunter-gatherer situation would generally have entailed more women than men in any given group. My thought here re: men and women both acting and reacting – we tend to assign women hypoagency and men hyperagency. The red pill tries, to… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Rollo

Well put. I’m running into this theory for the first time, by my impression is that it’s mostly dealing with the numbers – which are a significant factor. But other significant factors are things like gender differences in preferences.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

His “solutions” (I have the book) are: 1) Hold back boys one year in school, to improve academic success, so that more go to college 2) Reveal the current dating dynamic so “Boys who like sex will try harder to get into college” (this is an actual quote, that there is a subset of boys who don’t like sex) and “educated women who wish to improve their marriage prospects will date down or will quit Manhattan for Silicon Valley or some other locale where the demographics are more favorable” (as you can see from that last sentence he is a… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Kid Jupiter Re; your field report – I think Redlight has some good stuff about it already. Don’t take it as a reprimand, tight game doesn’t always just whip out of nowhere at a moment’s notice and I’m sitting here behind a screen with plenty of time. But I agree that your response to her test – I see it as being a shit test and a plea for you to make the logistics work both at the same time – was basically blowing yourself out unnecessarily. You could have done a lot worse – start trying to reason with… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@Tingler
Ugly women can have all the world’s PHDs and I still wouldn’t fuck them with a stolen Dick.

The Tingler
6 years ago

teddj4g, “Its not a flaw. Men don’t need nor should they necessarily care what troubles women have in the dating and mating market. Red Pill is to help men, and women can fend for themselves.” Nothing I said implied that men should feel bad for women. What I did say is that men play an active role in the dynamic that red pill decries, and women’s behavior is often a response to male behavior (and vice versa). This is something we don’t see discussed much on this site: men’s role in this degenerate dating scene. Listen, I’m not any more… Read more »

The Tingler
6 years ago

“Date-enomics isn’t a numbers game, it’s an incentives game.”

It’s both. The numbers play a role in the incentives.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Fred,
Ana Swanson is a reporter for Wonkblog specializing in business, economics, data visualization and China. She also works on Know More, Wonkblog’s social media channel.

This is the reporter who wrote the Washington Post bullshits about (ugly) women’s collage degrees.
Just look how fucking ugly she is.
I wouldn’t fuck her with a dildo.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Rollo
“You know how many ‘educated college girls’ I nailed on the mattress on the floor in my one-room studio during the early 90s?

Trust, it’s not a numbers game.”

Don’t be modest Rollo.
The truth is you gave those “educated” pussies THE TINGLES.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Megan Fox, Angelina Jolie(?), and all the beautiful women in the world don’t need PHDs.

Would I want to fuck Megan or Dr.Condi Rice?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Rollo.
Bed sheets!
I had enough money to take the subway (one ticket only) to fuck a University Educated “pussy”, and walk home in the morning.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Ugly Feminists can tell ugly women to get an education ,get a yoga pants, get low tops, get short skirts, show more tits, go slut walking, put all the lipstick but, you still a pig.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Forge The Sky “But I agree that your response to her test – I see it as being a shit test and a plea for you to make the logistics work both at the same time – was basically blowing yourself out unnecessarily.” “Basically, you gave her a really high-pressure decision. Hang out with a near stranger, who’s a good amount older than me, just the two of us, at his place, this weekend. That’s gonna freak a lot of girls out.” The shit test didn’t leave me much room to maneuver. As I’ve said, she was working, there was… Read more »

ace
ace
6 years ago

“Women are wonderful” effect

“The “women are wonderful” effect is the phenomenon found in psychological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with the general social category of women compared to men. The phrase was coined by Eagly & Mladinic (1994) after finding that both men and women participants tend to assign exceptionally positive traits to women (men are also viewed positively, though not quite as positively), with woman participants showing a far more pronounced bias.”

“The effect was found by another study to be strongest among women who tend to follow traditional gender roles.[1]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9CWomen_are_wonderful%E2%80%9D_effect

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

A Beautiful super Model need only ONE photo on a big billboard .
Ugly women need to place a 100 on Facebook .

ace
ace
6 years ago

Blaximus

August 25th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
“….the only mystery is what color are her pubic hairs. Bummer.”

Same color as the eyebrows.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

It is interesting that “caring about women” has recently become a common plank in political campaign platforms across all parties. “I care about women” statements spoken both verbatim and synomously are now commonly made by all candidates. Does anyone care about men? Why this specific care of women or the claim of it? Aren’t women already cared about enough? Haven’t women been receiving a disproportionate amount of special consideration for decades? Why has it become universally necessary for political candidates to claim they “care about women”? I did not realize women were in such crisis that our political leaders, elected… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

Sheesh Tomassi, that’s heartbreaking. What a poignant sentence.

“I don’t play the game to get even.”

I wish you’d elaborate on this more, because clearly many of the men here do play the game to get even. They are flat out interested in revenge, revenge against themselves, revenge against the women in their lives, revenge against society.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“I don’t play to get even. I play to win.”

You deceive yourself. You play to get even. And each time you feel compelled to “win,” you actually lose.

Some me victory, show me some joy, show me something besides childish insults and relentless hatred Tomassi, and I might believe you.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

If it’s not too far gone, this caught my eye. She responded, “I think it’s weird.” She’s around 21. Kid Jupiter self describes as young looking for his age. And don’t doubt since he also said he’s used to being with women in their 20’s. However, this cashier may not know his age, but may know that he’s older than her. Since he’s noticed her for a while, and has been flirting for about 2 weeks, he hasn’t made advances in a time frame that a 21 yr old community college cashier might be used to. So while she enjoyed… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

RT “Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.” Bytes Sheesh Tomassi, that’s heartbreaking. What a poignant sentence. Funny how many postings it took before you bothered to read the O.P. all the way to the end. Your SJW style “skim until outraged” reading doesn’t help you much. RT “I don’t play the game to get even.” Bytes I wish you’d elaborate on this more, because clearly many of the men here do play the game to get even. They are flat out interested in revenge, revenge against themselves, revenge against the women in… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

wtf does “revenge against themselves” mean? (that phrase gets 19 google results so you are really on your own here, perhaps go with Nietzsche and the Christian instinct for revenge). I wish you’d elaborate on this more, or if you’d like more writing skills, I wish you’d elaborate more on this

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@Water Cannon Boy

excellent spot

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Water Cannon Could be. But as I’ve been saying, the circumstances were such that I wanted to get in and out with the # close. And she already had a pen in her hand and there was paper in front of her. My initial request was that she give me her #. When she resisted with the “Oh really?”, I told her to write it down, since she had the pen & paper right there. (I usually give a girl my phone when I # close.) Then her “I think it’s weird” routine kicked in. As far as younger girls,… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Means spending too much energy on things they can’t change or influence. As in the stupid things they did in the past or beating themselves up over not knowing then what they are realizing now.
So, you did what you did, can’t change it. It was you doing it, just accept it as learning. Don’t say, “well I was a different person then”. As in not owning up to what you did the way women do. But in the learning and becoming wiser way.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

FYI, the hirsute hippy was in April of this year, not 2014.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Insanity’s own words : “Something I find intriguing Eric, so many men seem to want to be valued sexually, not unlike women often are. But women seldom perceive men that way, we’re usually looking for something else, provision, protection, your higher selves, your confidence? It’s an elusive thing to try to name and sexuality plays a role there, but it is not the whole story. Often I think much misery could be alleviated if men and women would just accept that we are different and our attraction triggers are different. This is a good thing, it’s an awesome thing. A… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

And each time you feel compelled to “win,” you actually lose.

for example, sports teams that feel compelled to win are actually losing? Just pick a bunch of things that involve winning, such as elections, games, bets, and amaze us (okay, only Rollo) with your insight

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Jupiter That’s okay, circumstances do that sometimes.She enjoyed the flirting so doubt she’s going to be too weirded out by it. She stops flirting, just say what’s up to her. Circumstances can make girls get extra willing, like knowing they won’t see you again. That’s why they can meet you at noon and bang you by midnight on vacation when the two of you live a country apart. But meet them at back home and you live within an hours drive, they have to get to know you. You know, there’s that secret mass murderer thing they have to watch… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“When was the last time you saw a man wearing yoga pants?
When was the last you saw a man wearing a thong?
When was the last time you saw a man’s dick?”

I saw all 3 this morning, but than again, I do live in the 9th circuit of hell, so that’s really not unusual. I also saw a man in pink heels and a satin miniskirt that ticked me off because he looked far better in them than I would.

What’s your point?

Jay Fink
Jay Fink
6 years ago

I think we have the opposite problem. Too many women dressing frumpy and unsexy. Feminism wants women to look as unattractive as possible . Modesty has gotten out of hand in the U.S. I would rather we become more like eastern Europe and Latin America where women doll themselves up and dress sexy.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

The ultimate goal of feminism is to persecute men for woman’s inability to perform at levels only men can in the intellectual realm primarily. Feminism tells us that where women cannot equal or exceed mans intellectual performance, man has by default automatic assumption oppressed her and prevented her ability to perform at her true level of ability. This assumption is founded on the assumption that her intellectual abilities equal or exceed his. Feminist con artists tell us a woman can do anything a man can do, except man prevents her from doing so due to his evil selfish, insecure, inferior… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Water Cannon

Ha, yup. Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy in the hometown house!

Chicks are a chore, with short bursts of enjoyment thrown in. All the time I’ve personally had to spend figuring them out and unplugging – I probably could’ve invented something world-changing by now.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

This line of “reasoning” is feminist chicanery. No special intellect is required to recognize this or the fact that it is actually (although unmentionable) an admission of feminine inferiority apparent when comparing females to males regarding performance.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

Guys, it’s impossible to discuss these concepts with this IB woman. She doesn’t want to absorb and integrate it. That’s not what she’s here for – she has an agenda, albeit a disjointed one: to criticize and try to delegitimize Rollo.

Ignore her.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“I think we have the opposite problem. Too many women dressing frumpy and unsexy. Feminism wants women to look as unattractive as possible ” Totally agree with Jay Fink here. So why would a soccer mom like me want young girls to not have bra staps and thongs showing? Because it’s not really attractive, because it’s sloppy and cheap and that will begin to color her own perceptions of herself, convince her that her only worth and value as a human being is in her sexuality. Boys are nearly irrelevant in that equation, they’d oogle girls wearing pillow cases, but… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@kid

“That’s not what she’s here for – she has an agenda, albeit a disjointed one: to criticize and try to delegitimize Rollo”

that assuming a guy type thing

she’s here for the feelings, and she feeds on Rollo’s replies, they give her the drama she is missing in her everyday dreary life

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

Good point, red.

I thank the gods for bra straps, and bras, in general. Not only do they give me a dexterous challenge in removal, but they keep those titties from going south, National Geographic style. All hail brassieres!

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

“Although male attention is great fun, how girls and women dress is more about how we feel about our own selves.”

LOL! I nearly wet myself laughing. But thanks for validating the OP as true and accurate.

Kryptokate
Kryptokate
6 years ago

@ Kid Jupiter FYI, smiling and laughing at jokes is not a sign of attraction from a woman, most especially not when she’s performing a service job where kissing the customer’s ass is a job requirement. Smiles and laughter at one’s comments (unless they are truly deeply funny) is not a sign of sexual interest, it’s a sign of placating someone, manipulating them, and showing that you’re not a threat so they can trust you. This is in fact the number one con of women over men…they think smiles indicate sexual interest when they are really ways to win over… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“IB comes to me for the tingles her husband doesn’t even know she needs.”

You’re wrong, Tomassi, quite wrong. Also, it’s a bit sad that you don’t understand that you might have worth and value to me in other ways.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Kryptokate

Point taken. I know the look of which you speak. But I’m actually a very funny guy in real life (if I must say so myself) and women seem to enjoy my company because I’m irreverant and make them laugh. Daresay, my funnies have even gotten me laid, egads! With service type girls! Double egads!

There’s subtlety to humor, and you work with what you have at hand, in the moment. It’s an exercise in awareness in the moment. A lot of guys try to be funny, few succeed.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

Also, not trying too hard is essential.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@cupcake could you dumb-down and shorten your posts to IB’s level, you are setting a bad example your point is accurate. At a local grocery store, the cashier smiles at me but what most customers can’t see is a 7 item checklist that I’ve seen, where 1. and 7. are smile at the customer, 2. ask for loyalty card etc.). However there are other IOIs, such as absentmindedly playing with their hair. To learn, one can go to a bar, pick out what seems to be the best looking dude there, and watch the body language of the girls that… Read more »

Jack-Jack
Jack-Jack
6 years ago

Wow! IB and Kryptokate commenting on the same.post! #blastfromthepast

“…you might have worth and value to me in other ways…”

Again IB confirms that most men are nothing more than are nothing more than “utility objects” for women to use and discard.
She says she here’s to help us men. How exactly?

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

“, it’s a bit sad that you don’t understand that you might have worth and value to me in other ways”

this is so sweet, Rollo you can be both a AF and a BB, congrads

The Tingler
6 years ago

ace,

““Women are wonderful” effect”

And it used to be the other way around up until 1970.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

aside due to Rollo evilly linking his attention article and I’m an attention gigolo

I’m at work and need to arrange something with one of our technical people. She took a walk at lunch with her wonderful BFF. They continued talking after lunch, then it was coffee break time, so they left to talk there, and then came back after break to talk some more, and finally several hours later I had to intrude for 30 seconds, taking 5 FI hits of hull damage.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

There’s a lot of folks here don’t realize why Rollo interacts with IB and the like. She’s not another teacher like Rollo, and she ain’t another student like one of us. She’s a lab rat to provide experimental evidence. Nothing more.

Don’t take anything she says personally. Just observe and document like any good scientist would. If you’re going to interact, do so only to observe the reaction.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

here’s a NSFW example of the smile, but note the bite of the lower lip at the end

http://gfycat.com/WeeklyMammothAsiaticgreaterfreshwaterclam#

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

KryptoKate – “The actual sign of sexual attraction is a non-smiling, direct and very serious gaze. It’s animal, almost predatorial. A woman will give a dead serious face at a man with direct eye contact…”

Describe the set of the eyes and brow please. Narrow, or wide eyes? Brow line does it dip as in a frown? Please such submit sketches if possible.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Krytokate’s on the money. I was in a wedding this weekend, and I got to witness some German dude from Harvard spend all day ‘gaming’ one of the bridesmaids. I had had an hour or two conversation with her at he rehearsal dinner, she was cute and quite friendly. He seemed to take her intent interest in what he was saying, her smiles, her amenability to his boxing her off to other guy’s attention, her occasional hair flip, as signs that she was genuinely into him. Lol. I heard from the bride that she does this a lot. She’ll be… Read more »

Jack-Jack
Jack-Jack
6 years ago

@SunWukong

“…She’s a lab rat to provide experimental evidence. Nothing more.”

Truth.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Keep in mind the difference in comments from IB and Rollo Tomassi are the differences in spouting off ideologies and explaining systems of practice. (I tried to quote the original blog articles upstream but it didn’t get through the WordPress shredder, so I will dispense with links.) Quoting Ian Ironwood: {Insanitybytes} mistakenly calls the Red Pill an “ideology”, similar to feminist or any other ideology. The thing is, the Red Pill isn’t an ideology, it’s a praxeology. Why does that matter? Isn’t that just an intellectual technicality? Actually, it makes all the difference. “Ideologies are belief systems which hold up… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Badpainter

Not to take you too seriously here 😉 but

Green light:
http://www.portrait-photos.org/_photo/4423878.jpg

Red light:
http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2013/02/Mike/lovingyou/Happy-women-smiling.jpg

It’s trickier than it seems. Given a drink or two I’ll be a sucker for a ‘red light’ girl as well.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

http://i.imgur.com/4orqQ7R.gif

believe what you like from “seductive stare”

https://www.reddit.com/r/SeductiveStare/

Lucien
Lucien
6 years ago

“That is if you are man enough to take it. I believe many of you are actually just beta pussies using Christianity to justify your unwillingness to embrace and own your masculinity and all it entails.” This is f*cking stupid . . . I’m sorry you have no greater aspirations in life than to stick your dick in it. “Glaze them up like donuts. Leave them sticky and confused. Next any one who gives you grief. This is a recipe for happiness.” Riiiight . . . that explains why so many of these successful PUA types burn out and fall… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
6 years ago

@Forge Sounds like German dude was trying too hard. Trying too hard always leads to failure. Trying easier, on the other hand… @SJF Great comment, right on target. @Forge (again) Red light face turns to green light face if we do it right. No woman is just walking around through everyday life with green light face. Red light face is an invitation to disarm and build some rapport (not too much, lest we fall into Friendzone Quicksand). Then we can get her to green light face. It’s yellow light face that might be the problem. Or no light (indifference) face.… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago
Lucien
Lucien
6 years ago

I love that Dateonomics article. Apparently there are more women than men in college because women are smarter than men. Larry Summers lost his job as President of Harvard for even suggesting that there was a biological basis for differing numbers of female vs. male scientists, but apparently this is a perfectly acceptable conclusion.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Keep in mind the difference in comments from IB and Rollo Tomassi are the differences in spouting off ideologies and explaining systems of practice

Game is what works. Feminism is just more Marxist cowshit. Rollo helps men. Bytes wishes to enslave them.

She is a useful specimen; an example of the aging, 2nd stage feminist who can’t stand the idea of men actually getting out of women’s control. Flaying her stupid misandry is instructive.

And Bytes, dearie, we all know just what “useful” means to women.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@kid

” I want compliance with minimum resistance”

35+ you get this
21 you don’t

Vitriol
Vitriol
6 years ago

@Fred Flange, Master of Spoofs “Well well! This is the answer to what’s happening at big college campuses. Following on the no-dating discussion above, viddy this, O my brothers, courtesy of Dr. Helen and the Washington Post:” Their premise that college educated women are only interested in comparable men is blatantly false. A 24 year old college educated female in the U.S. is fucking her weed dealer who looks like Kid Rock (purple eyelids and all). The “creepy” computer science majors and engineers aren’t even on her radar, and if they try to talk to her they’re going to be… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Kid Jupiter “Red light face turns to green light face if we do it right. No woman is just walking around through everyday life with green light face. Red light face is an invitation to disarm and build some rapport (not too much, lest we fall into Friendzone Quicksand). Then we can get her to green light face. It’s yellow light face that might be the problem. Or no light (indifference) face.” Right. I suppose my terminology could be misleading. ‘Red light face’ isn’t a bad thing, initial friendliness is a good thing to build real attraction on. It just… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Forge the Sky

@Rollo Tommassi There is nowhere you can go that I haven’t already been. “Because I am a man.” http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3OXs_5AD2A @Not Born this morning Women are more important than men in politics went to my house today and while hearties was writing about trump and frame my sister was ripping him apart. @Jay fink “Modesty has gotten out of hand in the U.S. I would rather we become more like eastern Europe and Latin America where women doll themselves up and dress sexy.” Agreed @Vitriol “The game literature aimed at American males in 2015 basically tells them to “step up” to… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ Forge the Sky

I was in earnest in my question.

As a figurative artist body language and facial are essential to communication. The discreet points of facial expression are the most difficult in both concept and execution. What Kate described is, if accurate, valuable in that realm for me as well in real life.

Thanks for the examples. I’ve seen the first several times and misunderstood it. I never have much credence to the second. I always assume the first example Redlight provides is bullshit.

VanityBites
VanityBites
6 years ago

Teenage girl drives her “online” boyfriend to suicide via text: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/teen-texts-boyfriends-suicide_55db712de4b04ae4970401b5 Some quotes: “‘Everyone will be sad for a while but they will get over it and move on,’ 18-year-old Michelle Carter texted boyfriend Conrad Roy III in reference to him dying by suicide.” “When Roy expressed hesitancy at going through with his plan, Carter sent him text messages expressing her frustration. ‘You always say you’re gonna do it, but you never do,’ she texted. ‘I just want to make sure tonight is the real thing.'” “‘Like, honestly I could have stopped it,’ Carter said in a text to her… Read more »

Seething Lurker
Seething Lurker
6 years ago

In regards to the “seductive stare,” strippers usually have it nailed down. I remember the first time l experienced it at a strip club. It was like a jolt of lightning, then I remembered that I was dealing with a mercenary and that it wasn’t real. But the effect was undeniable.

Oblivion
Oblivion
6 years ago

@doclove, that man is no longer a Christian because he grew up in a lie. It’s like being Truman in the Truman show. The hardcore Christians tell their men no sex until marriage, and then won’t marry off their daughters young. It’s a huge bait and switch, you reach a certain age and realize that you be been lied to your entire life. The so called people who loved you, and the entire way u view the world was a lie. It’s some heavy shit!! The supposed holiest leaders were using you, a d ur a tool. Wish I had… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@NBTM: “When performance is isolated where there is no possibility of his interference her failure to compete is always blamed on the playing field being male established ie “it’s a mans world” as if reality itself was established by the male gender to intentionally degrade and stifle women.” This has now extended beyond intellectual abilities to the purely physical, with women claiming that they are just as strong as men, but as the weight lifting field is established by men that they are held back. If they were only “allowed” to lift like women, they could lift just as much… Read more »

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