Topping from the Bottom

 

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In last week’s post I had an exchange with yet another attention seeking girl of 25. I wont be giving her any more than what she already thinks is her due writing for XOJane, however the topic of BDSM came up and I wanted to explore that a bit this week.

It’s no coincidence that the movie adaptation of 50 Shades of Grey is opening on Valentines Day this Saturday, so rather than my annual V-Day post I figured I’d also do a bit of early prognosticating about the knots the fem-stream media will be tying themselves into by this time next week.

Just as a recap, the exchange with this girl centered on her dissatisfaction with her boyfriend’s assertiveness and dominant status with her. At her insistence he Alpha’d up for her, but I was incredulous about her believing he’d done so, and with any amount of genuineness. For a man to Just Get It, he must get it on his own. Any woman inserting herself into the process of him just getting that he ought to be more dominant with her defeats the legitimacy of that change with her.

Observing a process will change that process. Just as genuine desire cannot be negotiated, neither can genuine change in a man’s mindset be negotiated at a woman’s insistence.

Hypergamy only believes the dominance of a man that a woman finds in him, never the one a woman needs to create in him.

During this exchange our goth girl mentioned she was into BDSM and the whole picture came into perspective:

Now I got it.

Sub in the dungeon, Dom in public. Most women into (overt) BDSM have issues with reconciling their desire for being dominated by a man and submitting to him in any other aspect of life.

I’m not surprised you felt the need to ask him to be more dominant. It’s not about his asserting himself with others it’s about your need for a genuinely dominant man giving you tingles. You want him to dominate you, but it doesn’t come naturally to him.

It sounds better to promote the image of him being a socially dominant character who’s come into it because you want that guy to be the character you fantasize he is in the dungeon.

You want a guy who’s genuinely dangerous, objectifying and powerful when you’re having sex, but you want the security and trust that comes from knowing he’s really safe, in control and socially dominant enough to ensure your security with his decisions.

That’s why BDSM is appealing to feminists. The dominance gets them off because it’s wrong, a taboo they shouldn’t really like because the feminist dogma says it’s disgusting to submit to a man (especially for an “empowered” woman), but the fantasy aspect of it legitimizes the desire and separates the “real” woman from the “sex act” woman.

I’m using the term “dungeon” metaphorically here, but I think it’s apt for any sex environment we put ourselves into with another person. One of the many aspects of masculine ridicule is the caricature of the strong, dominant business man paying for and playing the role of pathetic, tortured submissive to his vinyl-clad dominatrix with a whip, knee-boots and a bad attitude. The cliché serves the purpose of male ridicule of course, but it also reinforces the the latent message that those CEOs who rule the world, in their sexual selves, are really pathetic ass lickers who get off on humiliation from strong, independent women. Their sexual identities is who they really are.

Commenter 447 followed me up in that thread:

Things/actions that are called BDSM or can be put into that category (which can even be acts without any fetish objects, basically even normal, hard sex where the man just has his way with a female can be put there by twisting semantics) just *concentrate and thereby CORNER* all of femininity into ONE corner of the spectrum of life: Sex.

That explains a lot – from the massive number of Shades of Grey-Copies sold to the (sometimes almost comical) attempt of many young women to be “sexually perverted” even if they are not:

It is the only socially acceptable form known to them to be truly female today: By being a “whore”.

Only banged one feminist – can just add +1 to the description above – the more feminst bullshit they talk, the more they desire to be a sex slave or even an abused victim(!) in the bedroom. +1 to “explanations for rape hysteria” btw.

Roleplaying Games

As women find themselves coming into the open acceptance of Hypergamy and recognizing the social control they wield, the overstated perception they have with regard to their sexual market value will inflate with their collective egos. We address this often in the manosphere about how women’s self-perception of their SMV is grossly, unrealistically, inflated by social networks, media and popular culture. My assertion here is that BDSM – not just the overt kind, but the interplay of dominance and submission in any sexual intercourse – will become women’s fantasy outlet for a natural desire to be dominated by men.

In the case I illustrated with the CEO relegating himself to his mistress as a slave, so too will women’s sexual selves be a role they’ll play, and that role will be normalized for women through a feminine-primary social order. While men can be comfortably ridiculed for their desire to be dominated, women are sold the idea that their sexual selves are not their real selves, thus the need to be submissive can be forgiven of the strong independent woman® because her sexual self is not “who she really is.”

The Feminine Imperative defines for men that his ridiculous sexual identity is who he really is, but for women her sexual identity is a role she plays that insulates her from her real ’empowered’ identity. Through this roleplaying, women can reconcile and satisfy their real need of masculine dominance while maintaining the strong independent woman® identity that feminine-primary society expects of them.

In this sense women are put into a socially acceptable, socially expanded, form of topping from the bottom. The idea is that women can safely control and accommodate that want of sexual submission without losing self-respect by challenging the feminine social narrative of female state control. So long as that desire and the act are considered a fantasy that they can separate their true selves from, the sexual submission to a dominant man they desire can be balanced and reconciled if that act isn’t who they really are.

Furthermore there is a tantalizing sexual wrongness to engaging in submission only in a sexual theater. This is what fem-stream media will twist itself into knots about in the week following the opening of 50 Shades of Grey. In an era of Yes Means Yes consent forms and fantastical, falsified, rape hysteria, the go-to rationale for the runaway success that 50 Shades of Grey will undoubtedly be will be exactly this “its a fantasy so it’s ok, it’s not the real woman” separation of desire and ego preservation.

This is how the rape fantasy elements will be dealt with in the aftermath of so wildly popular a movie. It turns women on because it’s not supposed to turn them on. What fem-blogs will confront is the true nature of women’s Hypergamy being openly (likely proudly) embraced, but at the same time conflicting with the rape culture messaging that’s been pounded into our collective consciousness for the better part of 2014. Feminine duplicity will be on display and women will either say it’s their due, it’s “not for real” or that it’s Patriarchal sexual repressiveness that’s brought them to this (male shame).

Dalrock delivered this fantastic comment in one of my threads years ago, but I’m reminded of it now:

These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.

They want this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.

They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.

One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control the next. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.

The safeness women hope to effect for themselves can’t be entrusted to men. The dominant Alphas are inherently dangerous, and the more Beta men are too commonplace and less empowered than women themselves. The solution then is to rig the social structure to accommodate women’s thrill-seeking by socially expecting men to accept being topped from the bottom irrespective of “who a woman really is.”

The main reason ‘goth girl’ will never be content with a boyfriend she had to encourage to be more dominant is because his passivity was his mental point of origin for him. He’s already safe, before he’s allowed to play the role of dominance by her.

A Note About V-Day

If you haven’t read my previous V-Day post you may want to before Saturday. Considering it falls on a weekend and the impending “we’re just as sexual as men” lather women will likely work themselves into over 50 Shades, it might be a good refresher. I understand that some of my manosphere contemporaries are getting onboard with the billing that 50 Shades’ release will make for orgy-like conditions on V-Day, and while I’ll concur for the most part I think there are far more significant considerations men need to be aware of.

For the married or LTR man who’s wife insists on taking him to see the movie, or one who insists on a GNO with her semi-monogamous girlfriends there will be no post-movie orgy. One of the most common rationales I hear from men when their woman wants to go off with her friends to a male strip ‘revue’ is “hey, let her go have a good time, she’ll just bring that sexual impulse home to me, right?” These men are only rationalizing their part in their own cuckoldry.

The real question is how into sex do you think your wife would be after your coming home from hitting the strip club with your boys, downing three $12 appletinis and smelling like stripper perfume? Or better yet, perhaps you suggest you both hit a strip club together after you watch 50 Shades? You’re only taking that sexual energy home for each other after having outside sexual cues turn you on. Christian Grey will be the man fucking your wife while you sit on and watch.

For single men the situation is a pussy bonanza if you can play the ‘lonely hearts club’ Game correctly. On any other V-Day I’d suggest men capitalize on GNOs and women commiserating about how inadequate men are these days while they tie one on. The likelihood that an order of 50 million women will have seen 50 Shades just prior to hitting the bars with their girls on this night only makes your efforts that much easier with better sexual dividends.

While not overtly playing the Christian Grey role, if you cop the dominant energy (or if that’s what you’re about already) you can help a girl work off that energy. It would be too easy to say these women will be primed for Game, but remember, feminine-primary acculturation has taught her to justify the action of her sexual self apart from her real self. Saturday night may be the one time getting a girl to sign a sexual consent form will work in a man’s favor.

All that said, the opportunity for observing open Hypergamy in the field will be hard to ignore. Enjoy the mental-hamster contortions women will use to justify behaving exactly like the cads they claim to hate, and their sad sack Beta men sitting dutifully at home changing diapers while the girls are being girls. My advice would be to use that open Hypergamy environment to your advantage, but demonstrate it, don’t explicate it to them.

Be aware. You will see a great many Red Pill truths come to light in a short time frame. It may be a shinning opportunity to make your Blue Pill friend Red Pill aware.

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Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

what is the telltell signs a woman is into BDSM ?

ps,I know someS. i just want to see what you guys have to say.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

“Was catching UP with” my boy

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

If females aren’t “fucking awesome” then why does this site even exist? Why are you even here? You are here because you want that human connection that was biologically programmed into you. Look, I didn’t write the program. I simply acknowledge it. To pretend for one second that you are not a member of a sexual species—“sexual” meaning that two DNA packages interact to form a third—as opposed to “asexual” where an organism simply self-divides in order to procreate itself, is folly. If you really think that you can get around that, then you are a better man than me,… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Steven – “However, at the end of the day, you need females….”

Lol.

But seriously … Lol.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Steven (A bunch of butthurt that the men here have already rejected my arguments) Be as mad as you like, bub. Simple fact of the matter is that you’re shoveling the same horseshit every guy here has heard (and seen firmly disproved as fantasy) his entire Blue Pill saturated upbringing and adult life. Then you’re getting all butthurt that we react exactly we would if you insisted the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny are real: we laugh at you. Really, are you honestly so solipsistic as to believe that because you the special snowflake said it, we’d… Read more »

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Sun

To the silent readers, is this what you aspire to be? Is this what you want for YOUR life? It doesn’t seem very pleasant to me…

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Steven

Yes, instead of being a man like myself who is now secure enough in himself that women can no longer hurt him, they can be totally dependent on her fickle will exactly like you would suggest.

Come, “silent readers”. Follow Steven right back to Betaville!

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ Sun Wukong

DON’T TOUCH THE TAR BABY!

Taunt it, laugh at it, but don’t touch it.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@bp

Oh bro, if you don’t think I’m having a laugh over here you’re kidding yourself.

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Sun

It is evident to all that you are the man. May we all aspire to be just like you… Your outlook on life is so, how should we put it, uplifting. Good luck with that.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Steven

Big words for such a little girl. Did your mommy give you those, or did you find them in a ditch somewhere?

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Sun,

What do you offer to the readers of this site? Nothing. That’s right, exactly nothing. Do you disagree? Are you offering something—anything—of actionable value? I thought not. You are a worthless windbag. That sucks, doesn’t it? Hey, no big deal, grow a little bit, and then you will have something to offer. Until then, shut your fucking pie hole—there is nothing you can offer that is of any benefit to Rollo readers. So just shut the fuck up, already, you fucking half-wit.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago
a-dumb-one
a-dumb-one
6 years ago

Gents, pardon my intrusion, for one paragraph. Such a forum, exists to provoke enlighten, and educate. I am in another part of the world. I read here for my weekly mental strength. Remain calm. Remain strong. Do not succumb to insults and vitriolic. Maintain a united( if possible) front. The feminists love to see you reduced to insults and ugly language. It only proves their point that man are ” barbaric.” If you are “men”, then present an argument relying on the powers of reason. Do not take the bait. This forum and blog represent sanctuary. It is our “club”… Read more »

GhostOfJefferson
GhostOfJefferson
6 years ago

What the fuck are morals really anyway?

It is only in this day and age that a question like this is asked and has any legitimacy or bearing. It’s a shame how base and bare our education has become.

Matatan
Matatan
6 years ago

@Steven/Stevie
We don’t give a fuck whether you pity, loathe, admire or love us. No need for you to come and save us and show us the light, we are perfectly fine without you and your judgmental emotional appeals. Go to HUS or stay rambling here, whatever, it won’t make a difference, you’re not convincing anyone.

Jeremy
6 years ago

Poor Stevie needs a woman to submit to, stat, otherwise that backbone he just showed might actually grow into something worth keeping.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Rollo’s post-Feb 9, 2015.
Bitch media post about 50 shades-Feb 10, 2015.
You could easily make people believe you’re doing a Bruce Wayne disappears every time Bat Man shows up routine.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@GhostOfJefferson

It is only in this day and age that a question like this is asked and has any legitimacy or bearing. It’s a shame how base and bare our education has become.

Honest philosophical discussion left high school and moved it’s way into a liberal-arts college elective a long long time ago. The one philosophy class I took at a junior college was probably the best class I ever took, bar none.

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Mataton

“We don’t give a fuck whether you pity, loathe, admire or love us.”

Of course you don’t. You are in survival mode (a not uncommon thing.) And a totally rational thing, at that. Good luck with whatever it is you’re doing that brought you to Rollo’s site… or, expand your thinking…

Kryptokate
Kryptokate
6 years ago

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/consent-isnt-enough-in-fifty-shades-of-grey/385267/ A thoroughly ambivalent and anxious attempt to grapple with these themes. On the conflict between those women loudly signaling their love of being dominated and those who want to deny and discourage it: “There’s an interesting tension right now between the mainstreaming of S&M that Fifty Shades represents and also the mainstream horror at rape culture” On the betazation of Christian by the end of the story: “By the end of the third book, Christian gives up on being in a dominant/submissive relationship with Ana—his sexual preferences were a way of coping with childhood abuse, he realizes, and now… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

That sounds extraordinarily repugnant to actual reality, Kate. Does that book really trivialize childhood trauma and infer that buffer behaviors eventually cure the disease?

Say what you will about men’s dreams… it’s women who actually love fantasy land.

Matatan
Matatan
6 years ago

@Steven It’s amusing how you try to keep the upper hand. Just so you know, the discovery of this site and the red pill in general has expanded my thinking more than anything else I’ve come across in the last 15 years, that is in the area where it applies of course, inter gender relations. And I’ve achieved more results in that area the past 6 months with that knowledge than I did the previous 20 years taking my cue from traditional media, academic and therapeutic sources. So if it’s the same for you, ( and also if it’s not),… Read more »

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Matason

I’m going to feed YOUR hamster here for just a moment. Good for you that the manosphere has opened your eyes to reality… truly. That is a very great thing. The more human beings that open their eyes, the better.

But the manosphere is merely a way station. Where will you go beyond that? Wethinks that you are a spiritual creature, endowed with all that that entails. We have high hopes for you, brother. Enjoy your journey.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Naturally the next phase is for the FI to convince enough Betas that it’s perfectly OK and natural for women to seek AF outside of committed relationships with their BB. As well the new message will be that sex is no big deal and the things that really count in a relationship aren’t sexual. So it’s perfectly coherent to claim great love for a beta that she won’t blow, while pulling Alpha trains on weekends.

This new order of things will hopefully con the betas to keep slaving in active support of their own destruction.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

The Angry bitch article indicates that the movie’s going to end (and I guess the book did too) in a tame the alpha way.
I wonder if it’s going to be as visual as women are probably hoping for.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

the trailer is just out for Trainwreck, starts with “monogamy isn’t realistic”

https://amp.twimg.com/v/16d03d22-1b9c-4446-9d87-0027d808f1d1

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Atlantic article indicated that. Got my tabs mixed up.

Chokemah
Chokemah
6 years ago

@Badpainter

Dude, what world are you living in? Things are bad, really bad, there is no doubt about it. But this that you’re espousing is merely your own individual construct. Look, I would never deny someone his own individual construct, but thoughtlessly laying it onto others is some serious business. Are you sure you want to be involved in that?

Jeremy
6 years ago

Finding alpha and beta in the same man means the woman has to dilute her feels. She’ll never believe the purity of an alpha with beta traits, and she’ll never accept her beta acting the alpha.

She must find AF in his natural state, or it’s tainted. And she can’t accept alpha from someone she’s prejudged beta.

Optimization for women means she must find AF and BB in their purest forms. That means farming Betas by the millions, while seeking AF for her alpha-widow notch.

So yeah, sounds exactly right Rollo/BP.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

I actually wish they would have released this instead:

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago
Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Jeremy

Poor Stevie needs a woman to submit to, stat, otherwise that backbone he just showed might actually grow into something worth keeping.

You saw backbone? I watched a little girl fail to maintain frame and pitch a fit in the face of obvious manipulation. (And I made that shit really obvious)

Jeremy
6 years ago

You’re right, internet commenting with harsh language is a far cry from backbone. I overstated my case.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@redlight

Trainwreck

From just that clip, I’m seeing something that reads like the script of hitting the eject button right at The Wall and landing safely in BB territory just like all girls were promised. Is this the new modern American fairy tale?

Steven
Steven
6 years ago

@Rollo, What about the thoughts that I have shared with you, rather than the entity behind them? After all, isn’t that what we’re doing here? Hashing out thoughts that cannot be hashed out elsewhere? Isn’t that the purpose of your site? (An awesome service, btw.) “Swami” – 1773, ” an idol,” later, “religious teacher” (1901), from Hindi swami “master” (used as a term of address to a Brahmin), from Sanskrit svami (genitive svaminas) “lord, master,” from sva-s “one’s own” (cognate with Latin sui ; see idiom ) + amah “pressure, vehemence.” Who’s the “swami” here? (And yes, swamis are some… Read more »

thedeti
6 years ago

Good post, Rollo. I haven’t read through all the comments so maybe these points have been made. 1. A woman doesn’t want to tell a man how to be dominant, or how to take charge, or even that she wants him to take charge. She doesn’t want to have to say any of it, or point it out. She thinks that if she does have to say it, and he then does it, he’s not really in charge – he is doing all this ONLY because she wants him to do it. Therefore, to her, it’s not authentic, it’s not… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

When I was in school for computer animation, we had a teacher for video editing that sat us down and told us he was going to ruing movie watching for us forever. We watched The Rock, but had a requirement to count the edits in the movie to understand pacing. For about a year after I couldn’t watch a movie without counting the edits. To this day I find myself subconsciously doing it to try and figure out what kind of mood the director and editor are trying to push the audience towards. The Red Pill has done the same… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Steven What about the thoughts that I have shared with you, rather than the entity behind them? After all, isn’t that what we’re doing here? Hashing out thoughts that cannot be hashed out elsewhere? Isn’t that the purpose of your site? (An awesome service, btw.) Are you so daft as to not realize that your “thoughts” are exactly what mainstream thinking currently is? “Cannot be hashed out elsewhere”? Are you kidding? You have to, you know, actually say something in some way controversial before you can claim it can’t be hashed out elsewhere. If you really think those shared thoughts… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Jeremy

fecesbook

It had never occurred to me to call it this. I like it.

jacklabear
6 years ago

I can see a latent purpose for 50SOG.

The betaization of Grey at the end reminds me of when Dan Draper was doing some serious Alpha dominance of the neighbor he was poking. In the end, she dumped him for it. To a BP mindset, the lesson would be: see, you can’t do that if you want to keep your woman.
So why would the fem want to encourage that?

To help sort the real Alphas from the Betas.

Steven
Steven
6 years ago

@Rollo Wow. You retroactively changed my handle to “Chokmah”. That is some dirty pool, right there. I have no idea who “Chokmah” is. But let’s assume for a moment that I am this mythical “Chokmah” (I’m not). So what? What about the ideas of the mythical “Chokmah”? Do you even care to address them, or do you simply prefer to fuck around in WordPress changing the handles of commenters? I presented my case and spoke directly and plainly to those who took issue with it. What about this do you have a problem with? I couldn’t have been more fair… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Stevenatalie Dirty pool, but such is life. Until you stop acting and posting like a girl, I will be combining some portion of your name with a girl’s name when I refer to you. Rest assured that I will make sure to quote come portion of your post in order to reassure you that I am referring to you as a girl and not someone else. When you regain possession of your balls, you will regain your name. Is this clear enough, sweetheart? Rollo responded to your initial round of tripe by suggesting you read one of his earlier articles.… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

I’ve never seen a tampon whine on so much

thedeti
6 years ago

“Any sufficiently rational Red Pill observation is indistinguishable from hate to a Blue Pill conditioned mindset.”

That’s a really good one there.

Man expecting sex in a relationship = misogyny

Man breaks up with woman because of bad sex and maltreatment = misogyny

Man points out a bad female behavior = misogyny

Man points out that some women slut around = misogyny

Man points out a truth about female nature = misogyny

Man helps other man avoid bad woman and/or extricate himself from bad relationship = misogyny

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong

“From just that clip, I’m seeing something that reads like the script of hitting the eject button right at The Wall and landing safely in BB territory just like all girls were promised. Is this the new modern American fairy tale?”

exactly, a fairy tale for women

the BB now has to be somewhat chaste before meeting his True Love ™, the FI has completely flipped the script of 50 years ago

Steven
Steven
6 years ago

We now see, loud and clear, exactly what is the commenter gallery that Rollo is cultivating. Sorry to the silent readership, but you can now see with your own eyes what is taking place here.

Look, I’m not going to pick at this wound. I wish you all the best. @Rollo, it’s your site. I don’t want to compete with WordPress admin login permissions. You win. Free discussion of ideas, well, that’s a different matter.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Stevemily

You win.

Awww, poor thing. Tell you what: I’ll offer you a nice easy question for serious discussion of your subject.

Have you ever talked to an actual real girl without dialing 1-900 first?

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Re: Stephen

What a douche.

For all his talk about ideas he presented nothing but patronizing shame as criticism, and a few assertions of amusing notions. Sadly nothing as a substantial as an idea was brought forth. I guessing that’s no great loss.

Jeremy
6 years ago

You can discuss ideas Stevie, but don’t bring me blue-pill tripe and try to convince me I should intellectually self-pleasure to it’s awesomeness.

forgethesky
forgethesky
6 years ago

@Rollo: I’m on record at Dalrock’s as predicting that within the next decade we will see the production and acceptance of Christian Kosher pornography. My speculation was that it would need to be within the confines of Biblical marriage, so the plot would probably revolve around a couple of newly married, hip, “relevant” Christians and the rationale would be one of instructing married couples (and only married couples) about the joy of Godly sex.

http://www.harlequin.com/store.html?cid=236

I tried reading one once just for kicks. No explicit sex scenes but its intent was unmistakeable.

jacklabear
6 years ago

“exactly, a fairy tale for women”

If it was a fairy tale, we wouldn’t be observing and discussing it. There wouldn’t be so many burnt Betas coming here looking for answers.
It’s reality for many women because the majority of men are Blue Pill conditioned.
It won’t become a fairy tale until TRP spreads to a critical mass of men.

I think Radicalizing the Romanceless is a brilliant piece of covert Black-Knighting. I’m going to work on my covert skills because directly stating the truth out there doesn’t seem to work well.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@jacklabear

I would argue that it is specifically because so many betas are getting burned. The fairy tale aspect is that they will be happy in BB land after spending their whole lives on the CC getting pumped and dumped by alpha after alpha. It’s the exact script the FI has spent 50 years selling, and it’s the exact script that ends with beta divorce rape when she’s not haaaaaaappy.

forgethesky
forgethesky
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong: “It does get kind of boring though. Things get predictable and start to feel like they’ve lost their luster. I begin to suspect this is the point where a man has to start looking for the goals that excite him and drive him forward, but I’m having trouble really finding them. The nearest I can come to it is to say “I want to discover and achieve my true potential as a Man”, but how I specifically will do that is still uncertain. I think Rollo touched on this in http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/ but it’s surprisingly difficult to find a… Read more »

jacklabear
6 years ago

You’re right. But they can replace the betas as needed.
The advantage for the alphas in all this is that the women are getting bucks from the exes, and the alphas can even skim some of that for themselves. The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.

Jeremy
6 years ago
Jeremy
6 years ago

Another, lol…

http://www.harlequin.com/storeitem.html?iid=56568&cid=236

These books have all the appearances of Hardy Boys, only from an FI perspective.

At least when I read a Hardy Boys book, I wasn’t learning how to lovingly infringe on another person’s sexual optimization path.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Jacklabear- “The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.”

It’s an excise tax on hope.

Jeremy
6 years ago

Hrm, Do these novels make you feel like you’re in the wrong business? I’ll bet I could almost write a script to pump out stories like this just by changing the professions/backgrounds of the characters… then self-publish in an e-book format and watch the cash flow come in.

I’ll bet the subroutines to create such software already exists within think tanks like Google, etc. All it takes is a few tweaks to each novel output from an RP perspective, and you can likely optimize your offerings to the audience.

jacklabear
6 years ago

“Badpainter

February 11th, 2015 at 5:08 pm

Jacklabear- “The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.”

It’s an excise tax on hope.”

Hence the need to excise hope.

Jeremy
6 years ago

You make a valid point, an S&M teddy bear would be worse to wake up to than her leaving me for a small town billionaire. At least with the billionaire, there’s game. Gaming out a fantasy hypergamy solution is much harder.

jacklabear
6 years ago

I now know another reason to Kill the Beta vigorously. 13 years ago I was on an email Deida discussion list. The alpha male of the group correctly diagnosed me as “reverse polarized and in your feminine for a long time”. ie BP indoctrinated. A recommended cure was to practice being in my Masculine (up Alpha, kill Beta), and push it to the point of being “a real pig”. The reason to up it to the max is that while the brain is plastic, it is also elastic. You will end up moving back towards beta somewhat. Whether some BP… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Jeremy

I… can’t even begin to express what I feel seeing “HEARTWARMING INSPIRATIONAL ROMANCE” on the cover of a book with “Small-Town Billionaire“. The bullshit is so dense I suspect every single one of those books collapses in to a black hole as soon as it’s finished printing.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@jacklabear

Any suggestions for what to do?

I would practice nexting without the self-destruction.

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

None of you guys will ever even BEGIN to understand what it actually means to get cucked until you walk in on your girlfriend/wife being fucked by an Alpha dinosaur. Trust me, it’s not a place you want to be.

http://www.amazon.com/Taken-T-Rex-Dinosaur-Erotica-Christie-ebook/dp/B00FI9JFFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423695846&sr=8-1&keywords=taken+by+the+t-rex

Jeremy
6 years ago

Internal beta killing is also a topic I’d like to read suggestions on.

jacklabear
6 years ago

@ Sun Wukong

“I would practice nexting without the self-destruction.”

Yeah,
I was talking to a psychologist about a chance I had to marry a 22yo Laotian girl. he said “if you do that, you’ll need an exit strategy first”.
I couldn’t think of any good ones post marrying.

Jeremy
6 years ago

I so want to put “Small-Town Billionaire, will handcuff you for fun.” on the bumper of my truck.

jacklabear
6 years ago

Jeremy,

“I so want to put “Small-Town Billionaire, will handcuff you for fun.” on the bumper of my truck.”

Sounds like a good idea for an RP black-knight product.
Why not make money by spreading RP? That kind of thing has more potential than PUA lessons.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

“Christian Grey is my sub”

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Softek

Ahahaha, I had almost forgotten about those. I’m almost tempted to buy one just to support the hilarious ridiculousness of it. The covers alone are sheer brilliance.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Rollo

Shit, so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong all this time…

On a somewhat related note, I think I’ve found what I’ll be wearing Saturday night.
http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/hopeless-romantic-seeks-filthy-whore

Randy the Random
Randy the Random
6 years ago

Rollo, It’s become quite apparent to me that white men have a genetic weakness to female pedestelization/white knighting embedded within them. In no other culture does female hypergamy run so rampant. How can the apex technological civilization created by white men have such a critical weakness? I see racial hatred dialing up at Heartiste and many other sites, and I can only think of one cause: white men are directing their sexual frustration toward an unrelated issue. Race is the bogeyman against which white men take up arms, instead of reining in their own women’s behavior. Was it African Americans… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

@jacklabear
“Any suggestions for what to do?”

Keep at it and don’t be impatient. Rollo has good reasons for not giving specific suggestions.

You have to get past the fake it till you make it stage and be a self- actualized Alpha.

Re-Read Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite.

http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/

jacklabear
6 years ago

“It’s become quite apparent to me that white men have a genetic weakness to female pedestelization/white knighting embedded within them. In no other culture does female hypergamy run so rampant. How can the apex technological civilization created by white men have such a critical weakness?”

It’s part of K selection. It was necessary for survival in cold Europe.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

There are two objectives women focus on.

1. Scamming pathetic beta wussies to provide them with lives of leisure.

2. Attracting alpha males to fuck and then clinging, whining, and balling like the fuck entitled them to ownership of the alpha after they figured out he has a mind of his own and wasn’t created to be her ultimate sexual romance fantasy pet.

Two changes must occur before the FI and hypergamy are under control.

1. Women are no longer allowed to vote.

2. Contraceptive pills are no longer produced.

Sorry, it’s too late.

jacklabear
6 years ago

“What this implies is that a white man would rather MURDER INNOCENTS than to confront a white female and control her hypergamy.”

A drive to kill Neanderthals was also necessary.
Note that we extincted them.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Seems Jacklabear could try what he did again just not move her in. Might be a good start.

jacklabear
6 years ago

It is because life in the West has become an r environment that our instincts are failing us.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Randy

First you say you say we can’t blame race, then you spend your whole screed blaming white men. Then you point out white men as the only ones being treated like shit by their women, completely ignoring blacks in America (the way their women view their men is with even more contempt; do you even know any blacks?), and the entire fucking nation of Japan (herbivores ring a bell?).

Seriously did you even think for 30 seconds before you posted that self-contradictory bullshit?

jacklabear
6 years ago

And what race are those who are killing innocents in droves in Africa?

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

meanwhile in other news, not to go too far on a tangent. Tiger Woods is going to take an indefinite break from PGA tour. Hasn’t made the cut in past two tournaments.
Just trips me out that somebody that good, who was winning so much, can’t seem to do anything right now just because his girl slapped him upside his head.

jacklabear
6 years ago

I told my son that I fault Tiger Woods not for wanting to fuck lots of women, but that he fucked up by getting married.

I told him that for the $500 million it cost him, he could have had a new high end Consort (young, beautiful, educated) every week for 961 years.

How alpha was this black man’s behavior with women?

The status symbol of the yellow haired Nordic girl cost him dearly.

"Chokmah"
"Chokmah"
6 years ago

@Rollo Ok, I’m happy to be “Chokmah”. I like it, actually. It’s a pretty cool handle. This is why I post under multiple handles: http://saintsal.com/facebook/ It has nothing to do with you. There are far larger forces in this world than Rollo Tomassi. And besides, I thought this was about ideas, NOT personalities. I didn’t see any of my comments deleted. My comments did NOT go into moderation. I have no way of knowing whether or not you have a banned list of commenters. What I did notice is that you used your admin privileges to change my handle. I… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Is anyone else here aware that Christian Grey in Fifty Shades of Grey was introduced to BSDM by a dominatrix when he was an adolescent. The dominatrix is a significant character who attempts to intervene and stop his relationship with the central female character. The book is the first in a trilogy. Grey is developed into a “really a nice guy” as described by some of my female associates. I haven’t read the book but from what I’ve heard from those who have, it is a total bizzar insane fuck up on all levels and it is being slurped up… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Randy the Random

In no other culture does female hypergamy run so rampant.

You’ve apparently never experienced Black America then.
http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

“Chokmah”

I suggest “Cock Mouth”. It would be far more appropriate.

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

a friend of mine who is an ugly beta (hard working) from Lebanon , wanted to get married but not to a north american “slut” so he asked his Mama to get him an arranged marriage .Mama sent him a good head covered muslem girl . she gave him a boy and a girl . he starts noticing she wasnt interested in having sex with him and spending all her time online so he hired a computer guy to install some spying ware into the computer and there you go……she was having an affair with a muscular good looking guy… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Speaking of Japan, if I were a social sciences PhD looking for funding, I would deliberately learn Japanese and study who is getting the most out there. I’m guessing you might as well put up a sign on the Japanese SMP that says, “Anyone other than Alpha crime lords, bankers, and politicians need not participate.”

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Stevevita

Again, I consciously sockpuppet for reasons far larger than you.

Stiiiiiiill sounding like a girl, cupcake. Try again.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Stevie-Steve-Stephen-

How’s that “harmony” thing working out for you Cockmouth?

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Tiger wasn’t alpha. Rich and famous dork that thought he was alpha due to a demographic fit. Like the emperor has no clothes. Tiger had no alpha.
Ever see that public apology that he got pressured into doing and how his voice sounded when he looked at the camera and took that pause and deep breath cause he thought he had to do that when you do that kind of thing?
That wasn’t a black man looking for a blonde status symbol. that’s a thing black women always throw out there while trying to do there minimize/maximize strategy.

jacklabear
6 years ago

“That wasn’t a black man looking for a blonde status symbol.”

How do you account for all the black men with fat bleach blonds?

jacklabear
6 years ago

There is a Steve H who leads a Mankind Project Meetup in central Oregon.
MKP is also allied with http://womeninpowerprogram.com/

Some quotes from that site:

“Initiating Ourselves to the Predator Within

To reclaim our power from the shadows of past vows we once promised”

Lets see, encouraging predatory women who want to free themselves from their vows – sign me up! Actually, I’m all for gaming these women – the more the merrier.

A pic at the Meetup page says it all. There are two men dressed as clowns together with two unattractive women.

http://www.meetup.com/ManKindProject-CentralOregon/photos/

forgethesky
forgethesky
6 years ago

Lol. I thought your initial, controversial (?) comment was quite pretty, Stevie. I read it with appreciation, as one might read a poem. And I don’t disagree that the sentiment sounds very pleasant. It’s just….getting to that place proves problematic. Yes, that is a place a man can get to, in small bursts, and can only keep if he doesn’t succumb to the mindset often. If he’s a small-town billionaire 😉 Other men are wise to avoid the mindset altogether. A hair too much of that and the whole house of straw gets blown down. Your rhetoric is so heavenly-minded… Read more »

jacklabear
6 years ago

The link to the pic didn’t show up.

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/e/9/7/2/highres_211199762.jpeg

forgethesky
forgethesky
6 years ago

On a totally different note, I’d like to write a Harlequin about a Small-town Billionaire Mysterious Stranger Dinosaur Cowboy. Make bank, wouldn’t even be hard. Copy/Paste and Search and Replace would do 90% of the work for me. At the end, our eponymous lust object would discover that it was the love the heroine could provide for him that his cold reptilian heart was missing all along – the reason he had been filling the void within with accomplishments and affairs that brought him no solace. Then she cheats on him with a cabbie who tells her to fuck off… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

I dunno, I think you’ll do better having the Small-town Billionaire Mysterious Stranger Dinosaur Cowboy (STBMSDC) marry a Single Empowered Mother (SEM) of a terminal cancer diagnosed child while raising puppies from rescued-and-nearly-euthanized stray pets in between BDSM sessions to help STBMSDC get over his childhood trauma.

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