Body Language

I have a feeling I’m going to get myself in trouble with this post. One thing I’ve learned from sixteen years of writing in the manosphere is that people take the issue of Looks are very personally. I think there’s something engrained in how our minds evolved to make us aware of where we fit in as far as image is concerned. I think maybe that’s the root of where we get the idea of leagues with respect to sexual market value. I’ve mentioned before that it’s my belief that everyone is keenly aware of their personal conditions on some level of consciousness and how we look to others is part of that awareness.

My friend Tanner Guzy wrote a great book this year titled The Appearance of Power and I learned quite a bit from it with respect to the, often derided, subconscious choices we make in how we present ourselves to others. A lot goes into what we think is the very simple task of dressing ourselves each day and the message we’re conveying to other men, women, our families, our coworkers, our church, etc. We all have at least a peripheral awareness of what we’re communicating with our clothes, our behaviors and our speech.

Another great book I’m presently reading is the new title from Joe Navarro, The Dictionary of Body Language. Joe was one of the speakers at last year’s 21 Convention and I had the pleasure of talking with him for a bit there. For 25 years he worked as an FBI special agent in the area of counterintelligence and behavioral assessment. Today he is one of the world’s leading experts on nonverbal communications and this book is a very good resource for a lot of reasons. I’m not sure Joe likes being affiliated with the manosphere, but there’s no doubt that what he’s studied and written about for so long can be an invaluable tool for reading the sub-communications of women in Game applications. 

Way back in 2011 I wrote a brief essay called Learn to Read. At that time my focus was on emphasizing the need to be aware of the information a guy could glean from his surroundings, understanding the social environment and also the sub-communications a woman might be relaying to him in that moment. We tend to take it for granted, but there is a lot of information our brains need to process in social settings. For the most part our subconscious minds push out the background noise and less important information to our peripheral awareness so our conscious minds can focus on what we think is most important. Sometimes the part we take for granted, the information that our subconscious processes can be at least as important as what our consciousness is sorting out.

I’m calling attention to this process (as well as Joe’s work) because I want to stress the importance our Instinctual Process plays in interpreting what we see with respect to social interactions, but more importantly for our purposes, when we see men and women interact with one another. For the past 12 years my career in the liquor and gaming industries has put me in the unique position of being able to people-watch and study the unspoken communications that goes on between men and women in settings where they’re primed to apply their interpersonal skills (or lack of). However, it wasn’t until I started contrasting what I was seeing with what I understood about behavioral psychology, evo-psych and the sexual strategies men and women evolved for.

And this, this is the part where I get myself in trouble. In that time I think I’ve developed a pretty good ability to read what men and women are communicating with their clothing, expressions, posture, physical positioning, etc. and interpreting it with a Red Pill Lens. I get in trouble with this because, like I said, people tend to take my reading into things very personally. Even if I’m reading the photograph of a couple they know nothing about they associate something in the image that with how they perceive themselves.

Most of us were taught from an early age never to “judge a book by its cover.” We were taught it’s wrong to be judgmental and it’s what’s on the inside that counts. This has never really sat well with me, but you run the risk of sounding catty when you judge a person by their looks or whatever it is they’re doing in a picture. They say you sound like a gossipy woman, or else it’s supposedly some indication that you’re projecting your own insecurities onto whoever it is you might be critical of. This is unfortunate because our Instinctual interpretive process makes judgment calls all the time in our peripheral awareness. We all make comparisons in our hindbrains, it’s just impolite to give voice to them. This does nothing to help us objectively assess what sub-communications are taking place.

So, fair warning, I’m going to make some reads on some pictures here and if what I interpret seems a little self-serving or judgmental just know that I’m doing my best to stay objective.

For the past 3 months I’ve gotten into the habit of reading the images of various couples that guys on Twitter have been sending me. If you want a brief primer for this I talked about it with Tim Wenger last August here. For the most part these guys wanted me to determine what they were seeing were Alpha Tells or Beta Tells in the body language between the couple. In the majority of these shots, the Beta male body language was fairly evident even to the untrained eye. What was less evident was what the woman’s sub-communications were conveying.

Leaning In

Of the more than a hundred shots I read, the number one most common position for men was the lean in. This posture is something Roissy once called attention to as the hallmark of a Beta subconsciously manifesting his mindset in his body language:

The lean-in is easily identifiable, and while I don’t think it is alwaysBeta Tell (depends on context) it’s certainly the starting point for other manifestations of men with a necessitous subconscious. What I mean by that is that the lean-in is a physical display that illustrates how a man’s subconscious has decided that his woman’s Frame is the dominant one in the relationship. He feels the compulsion to put himself into her space as his natural impulse.

It’s also important to bear in mind that when we are photographed with others, in this case women, we are, or would like to be intimate with, there is a subconscious recognition that anyone viewing the image will infer a relationship context. More on this later, but for now keep in mind that some of these inferences will be related to mate guarding behaviors.

The reflexive critique of this lean-in is usually “Well, that’s just that one shot” or “The photographer told him to lean in” to which I can only say that the predominance of couples shots, candid and staged alike, most consistently pose a man as the leaner.

Lean out

The counter to this leaning-in is a woman leaning out or away from the man. It’s almost as if there is an unspoken conflict of hindbrains going on. A (Beta) man leans in to find inclusion and acceptance in a woman’s Frame while her own hindbrain instinctively reacts and attempts to lessen any inference of intimate acceptance to a larger audience.

Above are some examples of the lean-out. In some of these the latent message the woman’s hindbrain is conveying is almost “Get him offa me!”, but with a smile so as not to be too obvious. Also notice the positioning of the free hand in most of these pictures. We’d like to rationalize this as a gesture of affection after the fact, but in the context of these shots the unspoken message is a defensive one against the man’s lean-in. Again, this is one more manifestation of a war playing out between the couple’s subconscious.

The Eyes Have It

I also want to draw attention to the facial expressions of these women. Notice the commonalities in gaze direction and the message their eyes and expressions are sub-communicating. Women are keenly aware of the permanency of an image and what that image communicates. I’ve pointed out in many a prior essay that women’s brains evolved to give them a much fuller capacity for communication and a sensitivity to nuances than men. Men prioritize the content (information) of communication while women prioritize context (feeling) of communication. This is a truth we have to consider when we analyze the expressions and physical communication of women in photos.

I joked with the guy who sent me the second image here that she looks like she wants to bang me, not the guy doting on her. There’s more than a bit of truth in that assessment. Women today are hyperaware of how an image can be used to facilitate or handicap their sexual strategy. It’s no accident or casual glance when a woman directs her attention towards the viewer. It’s not a person behind the camera that she has in mind when she knows she being photographed, it’s the potential audience – an audience that’s grown exponentially in the age of social media. 

In all these shots the woman’s attention is on how she will be perceived by any viewer of the shot. In some other images I was sent the woman’s focus was on anything other than the men whose only focus was her. In advertising there’s a presumption that when two or more people appear in an ad the one with the presumed dominance is always the one looking away or out at the viewer. The submissive party was the one whose attention is directed at the dominant person. The dominant person is the one telling the story in the ad. A common complaint among feminists about magazine ads in the 60s through the 80s was that it was women who were always disempowered as a result of being posed in subservient positions where they focused on a male in the ad image. The only exception to this was in what feminists still refer to as the Male Gaze wherein the dominance a woman was afforded was limited to her sexual viability and her capacity to hold the attention of any men in the ad and men viewing the ad. 

These concepts are an interesting contrast to the millions upon millions of photos girls and women post of themselves on social media every day. Think of the gender power dynamics in all these shots. It may seem like I’m splitting hairs here, but the reflexive impulse a majority of women default to is one of advertising themselves for potentially better options in the sexual marketplace.

Whether or not this is a practiced or unconscious tact, the latent purpose of women’s responses to their men’s Beta Tells is to advertise their sexual availability to the audience. Some guys have said that women default to these expressions as a means of ego aggrandizement and I’m willing to accept that there’s undoubtedly an element of egoism (certainly solipsism) involved. No doubt women often enjoy the envious attentions of other women on Instagram in the right context. However, these ‘ego shots’ almost universally center on the woman in the power dynamic. In each of these images the power belongs to the woman.

Mate Guarding

Another common Beta Tell is the death grip pose many men will opt for in their couple’s photos. This is a position where the man locks an arm around his woman or drapes an interposing forearm barrier between the viewer and the woman who is trying to coyly escape his mate guarding message. 

In a lot of these the woman often has her hand on his hand as if trying to pry him off to release her. It seems like a reciprocation of affection – similar to the hand on the chest pushing him away – but this is afterthought rationalization. Death grip is a clingy positioning, but again the battle between his and her subconscious centers on the guy mate guarding and her own subconscious desire to broadcast her sexual availability in spite of him.

I Love Mommy

In almost all of these images the male is focused intently on the woman. From a Red Pill perspective, I see this as a manifestation of how these men have been Blue Pill conditioned to make their women their Mental Point of Origin.  Even in the images where the man is looking at the camera his sub-communication is one of clear abasement to, or guarding of, his most important priority.

However, the most disturbing trend I’ve seen in couple’s photos is what I’ve dubbed the I Love Mommy pose. Maybe it’s my instinctual interpretation of it or maybe its’ an obvious Freudian connotation, but in these shots the Beta assumes and almost childlike position of kissing on his woman. 

Okay, so the last one is a press shot, but you get the idea. You can see the I Love Mommy positioning in a few of the prior photos above as well.  I could probably dedicate an entire essay to all of the psychological implications of this phenomenon. I had one critic on Twitter ask me if I genuinely thought this tendency was due to unresolved issues these men had with their mothers; it wasn’t until later he admitted he had a tendency to do the same and was honestly concerned. 

I’m sure the possibility exists, but more importantly I think this habit is due to men internalizing the myth that vulnerability is endearing to women. There’s this persistent lie that accompanies the vulnerability myth. That’s the lie that men can let their guard down and ‘relax’ around the woman they feel securely paired with. As a result they mentally revert to the boy who didn’t need to qualify himself for his mother’s love and they regress to a subconscious comfort in that vulnerability they believe will endear them to their woman. They sub-communicate all this in the I Love Mommy position.

I’ll have to return to this Mother Issues concept in a future essay, but for now, how do you suppose a woman’s hindbrain imperative for Hypergamy will perceive this habit, particularly in light of how image conscious women are in the Instagram generation? My first impression is that it would be one of revulsion, apprehension and resistance. Nothing turns off a woman more than a man indicating that he’d rather be her child than her lover or husband.

Alpha Tells

So, if all of this reads like the overly-critical projection and nitpicking I told you most critics will accuse me of earlier, maybe I can assuage your own judgment by presenting some Alpha sub-communications examples here. Finding these examples can be a tall order in an age where any man photographed in a position not entirely focused on his woman runs the risk of being called ‘toxically’ masculine. Today, men who are confident enough to default to body language that communicates they are their own mental point of origin get accused of ‘abuse’ or at least being self-centered. But as you’ll see this isn’t such a bad thing.

The best example of Alpha Tells in couples photos focus on the man being the center of importance in the shot. Yes, this is Vincent Cassel (51) and his wife Tina Kunakey (21). I have no doubt some hater will come up with some reason in the comments why Vince doesn’t align with whatever their interpretation of Alpha is, but for our purposes these images illustrate the opposite of a lot of the Beta sub-communications we just went through. So try to look past the celebrity and see what’s being displayed here.

First off, notice how Tina’s focus of attention is always on Vince. Women who hold genuine admiration for their men consistently make them the story in photos. Even in the shot where they look at each other her focus is on him. It’s not difficult to assess the power dynamic in their relationship, but you can also feel a genuine desire emanating from Tina.

Also, women who genuinely admire their men are unconcerned that their actions in a shot might be read as subservient or ego-abasing by women’s audience. I’d go so far as to suggest that the attention a woman receives from a man her Hypergamous hindbrain confirms as Alpha is far more valuable to her ego than any lower quality attention she might temporarily enjoy by appeasing her audience. Much of this observation is rooted in the Desire Dynamic. Hypergamy cannot afford to have a high SMV man be confused about her desire or motives. A woman who is proud of the association with man she’s paired with is less concerned about the perception other women might have of her actions – in fact, she’ll convert any disparaging opinion of them into a point of pride, if that man is above her own sexual market value.

When a little girl thought a little boy on the playground was cute her reflexive response to him was not something she had learned to consciously control at that age. That response is often reflected in the expressions of adult women when when their peripheral awareness of an attractive man connects with their Hypergamous hindbrain. The biting of the lip, the beaming admiration, the laser eye focus and the hopeful smile followed by a coy embarrassment of what she’s doing when she regains her composure are all the physical cues of a woman whose primary concern is the man she’s with.

Now, contrast these images with the earlier ones in which the men are clearly the hangers-on of the women in those photos. I’ve mentioned before that a natural Alpha man is almost never aware of his own Alphaness and that’s what really stands out in these photos – the men aren’t trying to evoke the reflexive responses of the women. They fluidly (almost Zen-like) prompt these reaction in women. There is no pretense or the obvious mugging for the audience that you see in shots where the Frame is clearly being directed by the woman while the hapless Beta tries to prove how in love he is by kissing on her while she finds something more interesting to occupy herself with. When a woman admires her man he is literally all she can think about.

In closing here I want to reiterate that I’m aware that all of this is going to come off as self-serving or catty. It’s impossible to objectively interpret body language without someone resorting to point & sputter insults about how they think you’re just being petty or you’re jealous of some celebrity’s life. Be that as it may the discouraging of anyone attempting to understand sub-communications only serves the the party that has the most to gain from a larger ignorance of them. So I hope this breakdown has provided at least some useful references to consider your own, or your woman’s, default behavior when the cell phone cams come out at a party.

But if you learn nothing else from this post, and you need one take-home message, please, whatever you do, don’t be this guy in your next couples shot.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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We all know what is going on here. Insofar as there is no such thing as white priviledge. It’s always been a meritocracy in a tribe of men judged by the content of ones character (honor among men), as well as strength, courage, mastery. Men are men. I didn’t watch much of The Walking Dead. But I do remember women making stupid ideological decisions and men leaning into them. To the detriment of those fighting eminent doom. All that is currently being mocked by pussies. Part of the new social world disorder. Full of ingroup malice, and faux outgroup altruism.… Read more »

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” It’s always been a meritocracy in a tribe of men judged by the content of ones character (honor among men), as well as strength, courage, mastery. Men are men.”

Ummm, not totally true. Provably false in fact. History: It’s what’s for breakfast.

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” It’s always been a meritocracy in a tribe of men judged by the content of ones character (honor among men), as well as strength, courage, mastery. Men are men.”

+1

Just don’t get captured by a rival tribe and sold to the slavers.

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Contrary to popular belief white men didn’t invent slavery.

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I was at the gym today lifting weights. A personal trainer was chit chatting like a girl with a married girl next to me while I blew through my routine. I swear he just wasted 20 minutes of his life. Made me appreciate directed talk among me, on purpose. Like last night at the cigar lounge with an new convert to Red Pill who didn’t even have to be vetted at triage. He just strolled on through the open door. My other buddy showed up there at random. And the new guy was captivated. He “just got it”. He’s 56… Read more »

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ex·cuse verb verb: excuse; 3rd person present: excuses; past tense: excused; past participle: excused; gerund or present participle: excusing /ikˈskyo͞oz/ 1. attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify. “he did nothing to hide or excuse Jacob’s cruelty” synonyms: justify, defend, condone, vindicate; More forgive, overlook, disregard, ignore, tolerate, sanction “such conduct can never be excused” antonyms: condemn •forgive (someone) for a fault or offense. “you must excuse my sister” synonyms: forgive, pardon, absolve, exonerate, acquit; More informallet someone off (the hook); formalexculpate “eventually she excused him” antonyms: punish, blame •overlook or… Read more »

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Excuse? next time blame it on the dog like she does.

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I know. I just responded honestly to Palma. When people ask sincerely, I always try to respond.

But I am fully aware of where I am ( Disneyland on fire ) and that almost no one will ever get what I’m saying because….. don’t wanna.

It’s always cool. I have bigger fish to fry.

Carry On.

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Palma, there are certain facts that just cannot be discussed because feelings get hurt. It’s why I for one tend to leave certain political stuff on the table here: there’s 6 gorillion places on the web to rant about the political bait Kabuki theater of the moment that the Uniparty wants everyone to get all divided and heated about….but there’s only a handful of genuinely red-pill sites like this one where men can discuss reality. So to me it’s best to let some junk go unchallenged, in order to preserve the larger forum. Maybe that’s just me, and we really,… Read more »

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Former boyfriend of Blasey had this to say along with mention of her alleged polygraph perjury.

“He also wrote that they broke up “once I discovered that Dr. Ford was unfaithful” and that she continued to use a credit card they shared nearly a year before he took her off the account. “When confronted, Dr. Ford said she did not use the card, but later admitted to the use after I threatened to involve fraud protection,” he said.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage#commentsContainer

It all follows red pill scripts.

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“Made me appreciate directed talk among me, on purpose.. Meant to say directed talk among men. Got it Blax. Your comments are directed on task and reflective of your mentoring men in your domain. I get it. I respect it.I approve of the goal. (Even if it is divorced from my domain. I.e. no one here in white-landia, unicorntopia is getting in legal troubles here.) AT is correct. So to me it’s best to let some junk go unchallenged, in order to preserve the larger forum. Otherwise girly chit chat, validating emotions ensues when universalities are not universalities. ( e.g.… Read more »

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Back to Kav, I was wondering why the Repubs were allowing this circus in the Senate…well, the Repubs have been using this to stoke their grassroots fundraising for the midterms…and it’s working…however, I’m not sure that this money will get the men out to vote for the Repubs in large numbers because it’s generating disrespect for the Repubs. There are a large number of undecided…and I suspect that it’s a high percentage of blue collar men sandbagging their preference for Trump.

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“blame
verb [ T ] US ​ /bleɪm/

to make someone or something responsible for something:

You can’t blame the government for all your troubles.
you don’t blame someone

If you don’t blame someone for something, you understand and accept that person’s reasons for it:

I don’t blame her for not supporting the final budget agreement.”

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Black men are many times more violent than white men. Period. There’s a reason black men are more suspect, it’s called a track record. Black young men in the U.S. commit 50% of the homicides – not white men – while making up 2% of the population. Those are your peeps, Blax, not mine. Black men rape 13,000 to 14,000 white women a year. White men rape hardly any black women at all. Look up the federal crime stats, you’ll see I’m correct. Sometimes the number is actually ZERO in the crime stats. In other words, there are many good… Read more »

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Back to the original posting. Two techniques might be worth pursuing. Basic: Many of the obviously Beta stances / positions / poses are obviously habitual. Some public speakers make a habit to video themselves as preparation for a presentation, it would be a good idea for all men to do the same from time to time. One could place a smartphone in a room overlooking the space and just walk / sit / talk as normal, then later play back to view “what do I look like? Sound like?”. This would be really annoying at first, because we never sound… Read more »

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I’m sure scribbs is correct–that the three broads coming forward to accuse Kav of sexual advances weren’t part of an orchestrated conspiracy, because everybody knows that conspiracies don’t happen. I mean, I’m sure that the Founding Fathers meeting in masonic lodges were doing it because they were just so very serious about masonry and weren’t conspiring against the British Crown.

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scrib, you are an example of what I was talking about. An angry, stupis asshole that’s one step away from insanity at all times. Lol. For someone that claims to be so smart and all of that other silly shit you talk about ( and your imaginary hb9’s and shit…) you consistently say false shit. Your lucky because no one here bothers to correct you. ” Americans generally overestimate, to a significant degree, the percentage of the U.S. population that is either black or Hispanic. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 12.3% of the U.S. population is black, and 12.5%… Read more »

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Half serious question because I’m just curious – ” As for the moronic conspiracy theories running on this thread, it’s just amusing. Such nonsense is for adult-children who can’t grasp reality and need to feel they have some inside track or special insight. Ignore them, it’s not worth your energy.” Why does everyone just ignore insults from this guy? Why not call him on his crazy bullshit? Just curious. He never comes here ( to this stupid blog ) and he never reads the comments ( because he’s too smart ), and yet – there he is. Like dogshit on… Read more »

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Blaximus Why does everyone just ignore insults from this guy? I’m not everyone, but frankly? Scribbs is just noise now. Stuff to scroll past. Why not call him on his crazy bullshit? Because he’s an attention whore who doesn’t actually read responses anymore. Actually I’m not sure he’s even an attention whore, really, because he doesn’t really notice most replies now. He’s not even really trolling for flames now, just doing a driveby comment. Not sure if there’s a chronological pattern or not – phase of the moon, maybe? Currently Scribbs is kind of like some mumbling guy hunkered down… Read more »

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“Why does everyone just ignore insults from this guy?”

Because he never talks to me,he considers me to be even stupider than you.

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“If cops start shooting unarmed white men en masse, this nation will no longer exist.”

https://bit.ly/2kdssiv

Blaximus I’ve lived with this truth you type. Hit’s close to the point of in case. A buddy of mine would walk with me at nigth and we got pulled over my the cops. He got searched and no one came close to even asking me a question. I asked him about how often this happens and he responded by saying every day.

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Thanks for the perspective. I will have to keep AR’ s words in mind next time and just scroll.

That’s smart.

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I suppose the man himself pointed this out awhile ago.
https://bit.ly/2OGAIsl
Samuel fuller what a time of art and questions.

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Scrib used to contribute, but now it’s just seagull posting; fly in, shit on things, leave. It’s a shame really. I hope he can find a place where the belligerence and vitriol aren’t all he has for the guys here. Re: the racial shit and why white guys feel attacked At absolutely no point in my lifetime has there ever been a national widespread, open, concentrated, vicious, emotionally charged, 100% politically acceptable (in many cases politically necessary) campaign aimed specifically at any racial group… until recently where the mere act of being white, straight, and male can and MUST be… Read more »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfnAMMpW_o

Move along schmucks, no conspiracy here.

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This article covers one of the most interesting aspects of male/female interaction. If you’re paying attention, it’s amazing how much communication occurs without ever being spoken. I realize that body language (kino especially) is covered in various manosphere articles, but it doesn’t get as much play as it should. In my opinion, if you don’t have at least a basic understanding of body language, you are seriously handicapped. I’m at a point where women’s words carry very little weight with me. She’ll tell you everything you need to know through expressions, touch (or lack of), and the way she moves/positions… Read more »

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Guys need to be as selective as women to find the correct advantage!

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Great comment, Edel!

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Does anyone here have the experience of being a white boy in a school that is primarily black?

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White ,Black,Asian,Latin or native it doesn’t matter. Alpha ,Beta or in between doesn’t matter. There is a war on men and if you are Red pill and don’t talk about fight club there is a better chance of survival. If you hang on to blue pill ideals,you are doomed. The biggest thing for me to remember is don’t accept victim status just because they say so or are taking shots at me. It isn’t over until I say it is. This doesn’t mean I need to stand any ground as a target rather realize the futility of the enemies plan… Read more »

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“Is that as you are telling yourself a story, she is too. The question is, what character are you in the story she’s telling herself?”

Finding this out before a relationship may put you in a better place while in one. Do you think divorce comes when characters change within a relationship?

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If we ignore all the white babies murdered by whites, scribbs has a point. None of it relevant to me.

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Asd Experience matters. Otherwise people just draw all kinds of conclusions not based on real life. I have experienced being a ” black boy ” in a majority white school. Currently I work in a place with 600+ employees and less than a dozen are black. The biggest obstacle in understanding what ” minorities ” experience is never having been a minority. No true point of reference. Take that vomit that scrib came in with. I’ve heard shit like that consistently over my entire life. It’s never stopped. SO.did my father and grandfather and great grandfather and great-great grandfather…. When… Read more »

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October 3, 2018 at 8:57 pm
Thanks for the perspective. I will have to keep AR’ s words in mind next time and just scroll.

That’s smart.

Blax, you keep allowing yourself to take the bait. Do you not realize that you’re deliberately being baited? When someone is trolling you don’t feed the troll.

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You’re 100% right. I just have a pet peeve regarding false narratives that sometimes is difficult to control effectively. I’d prefer to see trolls smashed ( impossible), but as you and AR point out, that’s a waste of time.

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“I can see a concerted attack on white males, and the attack is coming from within.” The attack from within is coming from the fem social conditioned blue pill males that can’t see they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. From my perspective the male youth have been sumarily psychologically castrated and disincentivised. As a result they are being ridiculed for not stepping up to the plat by the verry same people that raised them this way,and for the most part the damage is permanent. With the older white men of my generation it is about control… Read more »

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It all looks like pitting the people against each other while sheering and pulling the wool over their eyes.

My big question is if we kill each other off who will entertain the”elites”?

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see you later

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Boulder I.agree mostly, but let’s look at the redirection using ” Brown ” people that are undocumented. The narrative is that a shitload of people came here from Mexico and central America, not speaking the language, and destroyed a portion of the job market. The solution is to demonize them and build a massive wall to help keep them out. But I have a different question: who’s hiring them? And why? And if hiring undocumented people is not legal, why not ” to after ” those that employ them? How do 12 million+ people survive here without being destitute and… Read more »

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@Blax ( and other politicnerds)

There’s boards for these discussions if you want to waste your time on them lol

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I have experienced being a ” black boy ” in a majority white school.

Did you get beat up every day in school by blacks and sent to the hospital several times? That was the experience of a white guy I knew who attended a predominantly black school. A group of blacks would surround him and beat the crap out of him. He’s a liberal dumbass, but he hates blacks because of his experience.

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They haven’t done blacks and browns any favor either by selling them a victim status that will keep them forrever blaming their probllems on others rather than taking the only way out of responsibility.

Johnson’s “Great Society” program. For blacks, it ended up with Great Anxiety. Yet they still cotton to the Democratic plantation. Maybe Trump will free them.

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Oh jesus. The ” I knew a guy ” thing.

The test is what do you actually know from your experience? All of the second/third hand stuff…😂😂

@ Mersonia

Point taken, but what I’m talking about isn’t political. People insist on putting it in that his then viewing it from that perspective exclusively.

I’ll leave it be. A rational and reasonable discussion is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle.

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Blax, of course the cartels transport people and find jobs for them and that depresses wages for Americans. And of course illegals are hired by ag and food processing and construction companies. Big Business and small business. Blax, can you distinguish between a traditional Republican and a RINO? I haven’t heard anything from you that indicates that this is even on your viewscreen. And why are you using the language of the left? It isn’t gonna open any eyes–matter of fact, you lose credibility when you use loaded leftist language like “undocumented.” (There, I alliterated all over myself again.) Loading...

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Great society hoax…😂😂😂

Okay. Done.

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…political.

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Trolling….

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Cartels.😂😂😂😂😂

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Blax, I fought white military brats in elementary. Most frequently when I was 5-6. When I relocated to the town I grew up in, I fought occasionally, but was never beat up or hospitalized. More like friendly fights. Never fought a black kid. The one time I’ve felt seriously threatened, it was by a black man much larger than me in college. I’ve told the story about how I grabbed a club and chased him off. He followed a girl and me through school buildings and we tried to lose him but he kept following and never said a word… Read more »

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I was a white guy at the largely majority black and hispanic school in town. A few years later I taught as one of two white teachers at an almost 100% black highschool a block from the corner of MLK and Malcolm X in Dallas. There was a lot of hate for me in both cases, particularly in the first one where I wound up dating the very hot black homecoming queen. Lotta black guys wanted me dead and a lotta calling her “race traitor” and the like. People care about their own tribe. Not so much about outsiders. I… Read more »

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cartels, lol

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human-trafficking-and-human-smuggling-meet-today_b_7588408.html

Blax, you are just showing your ignorance and corroborating what scribbs says.

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Being a natural/alpha white in a predominantly black school, you probably won’t be beaten up, tho you may experience envy-generated hate. As a white beta, you probably will get beaten up.

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Do you know anything that you didn’t read somewhere?

Know many ” illegals “? Or are you just typing shit?😀

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Speaking of Body Language, Kim Kardashian brags about her weight loss from working out with a trainer six days a week and tries to promote an advertisement for appetite suppressant lollipops (with a natural saffron derived ingredient). (Instagram admitted that they were behind the removal of the post.WTF?) Then the sisterhood loses it’s collective shit, saying how dare you promote weight loss to be more attractive? Social media comments: “No. Fuck off. No. You terrible and toxic influence on young girls. I admire their mother’s branding capabilities, she is an exploitative but innovative genius, however this family makes me feel… Read more »

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Blax, of course I know illegals and of course I know that you are full of shit because of my experience.

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Autism clouds your perception.

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…. Quoting huffpost. Tsk, tsk.

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For reasonable people reading along, the drug cartels don’t bring a significant number of people across the border. They certainly didn’t bring 12 million of them. The cartels bring drugs.

Coyotes only bring those that can pay. Most Coyotes aren’t affiliated with any cartel.

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This one goes out to the Scrib…

https://youtu.be/-ElBfS2tvek?t=12

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Lol.

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A lot of the pix Rollo has chosen for the OP are basically selfies in one form or another. Again, men need to use self-awareness to shape up their body language. Some men’s clothing stores still have 3-sided mirrors that give a more complete view; a man could learn a bit about his own posture, etc. just by trying on a suit. The suit isn’t the point, it’s the posture, etc. There was a paper a while back claiming increases in T just by adjusting posture, many people fell for it – I did – and it cannot be replicated.… Read more »

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Blaximus
For reasonable people reading along, the drug cartels don’t bring a significant number of people across the border. They certainly didn’t bring 12 million of them. The cartels bring drugs.

What is a caterpillar? Have you ever seen one?

Coyotes only bring those that can pay. Most Coyotes aren’t affiliated with any cartel.

How do you know this to be true?

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boulder “From my perspective the male youth have been sumarily psychologically castrated and disincentivised. As a result they are being ridiculed for not stepping up to the plat by the verry same people that raised them this way,and for the most part the damage is permanent.” Very true for me but not hopeless not ever ending and not as an excuses in self destruction. I have lived through this with Tradcon’s very religious people tend to fall back on this when it’s convenient. The hardships coming from being conditioned are never brought up as they come up. What happen’s is… Read more »

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AR I know things to be true from knowing and talking to the actual people. I spoke to a few ” Coyotes ” over time. One was even an American born citizen. Cartels traffic a small number of people for more.specific purposes. They don’t, as asd claims, bring people here and find them jobs, unless we take prostitution and drug mule as ” job “. Also.I talk to American..” Military ” friends directly involved in the never spoken of American monitoring and Intel gathering side of watching what cartels are doing ( because it’s a national security threat). Cartels bread… Read more »

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“Does anyone here have the experience of being a white boy in a school that is primarily black?” Yes, while living in the projects. At the height of Civil Rights Movement tensions, before The Great Society. I took daily beatings from a gang for “dressing white” (BEF style desert khakis. At the time, in the wake of WWII, there was no more badass way to dress. Ever wonder why khakis are so reviled by women these days?) for about two weeks. I stood my ground, didn’t capitulate, took my beatings and they stopped. After that I was the “weird” but… Read more »

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I spent a short time (although it felt much longer) in Laredo/Nuevo Laredo. At the time (late 60s) there was free travel across the border without a passport.

So factories would set up in Texas, Mexicans would walk across the bridge to go to work in the morning and walk back to Mexico after their shift. There was no problem with illegals and no need for NAFTA.

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Kfg

There’s still about a 2 block area of Harlem and Washington heights that is predominantly jewish.

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@Blax, For reasonable people reading along, the drug cartels don’t bring a significant number of people across the border. They certainly didn’t bring 12 million of them. The cartels bring drugs. Coyotes only bring those that can pay. Most Coyotes aren’t affiliated with any cartel. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human-trafficking-and-human-smuggling-meet-today_b_7588408.html Hmmmmmm….don’t be so sure about that. The cartels have “interests” in keeping transportation channels open in multiple ways. They aren’t about to give up successful routes and methods that sometimes cross over into human trafficking. It’s a multi-billion dollar operation. Don’t just trust the HuffPuff article, there are plenty others. Coyotes will bring those… Read more »

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Referring to white men, they are just guys. “But my question remains as it has for years now: who’s hiring and why, and why aren’t they culpable at all?” Everybody is hiring them even you. Yes even you are enjoying the benefits of inexpensive produce and housing ect. on the scratch back fresh off the boat. Todays youth are fully indoctrinated to,if you get an education you won’t have to work. It is no longer popular to be a construction worker or apple knocker or housekeeping. The fems that raised them not tobe uneducated deplorables,think they can get everything done… Read more »

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” . . . white men, they are just guys.”

“Guy” means “Catholic.”

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As a pejorative.

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It’s an irony of history that “guy” came to mean “generic man” in deeply anti-Catholic America, where they continued to burn the Pope in effigy long after the British had switched to burning “Guys.”

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“We could eliminate cash but then nothing would get done at all.”

Imagine what might be done by bringing cash back (even your coins are effectively debt notes these days).

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Current melt value of a real American quarter:

~$2.60

Current melt value of current American quarter:

~$0.04

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“Imagine what might be done by bringing cash back (even your coins are effectively debt notes these days).”

The value of refrigerator boxes and sleeping bags would go through the ceiling.

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Well…
https://bit.ly/2QvYunN
Lips
https://bit.ly/2IFg1XY
Actions over Intentions
https://bit.ly/2BY8G4L

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Coyotes only bring those that can pay. Most Coyotes aren’t affiliated with any cartel.

How do you know this to be true?

Because Blax knows thousands of coyotes. lol

Earth to Blax, come in. Your experience isn’t a drop in the ocean of human experience. Most of our knowledge has to come from other people. If we have a little on the ball, we require corroboration and examination.

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What I find funny is the misconception that an immigrant does better work than the locals.

I used to work for an IT division of a company that outsourced its support functions to Asia. I heard that the support was shit and was brought back in house. Of course, new people that didn’t know the code or the business had to support it without adequate documentation because the foreigners didn’t put any comments in the code. Management fuckups.

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“The value of refrigerator boxes and sleeping bags would go through the ceiling.” No. Their value would remain exactly the same, only their price would change. It would go down in real money. It’s debt notes that would lose their value against the intrinsic value of the real money. It would be valued at it’s value. “Savings” (which is really debt in disguise) would be wiped out and need to be rebuilt with real value items. If you already keep your savings in items of intrinsic value (refrigerator boxes, sleeping bags, Buck knives, copper pipe, etc) you would be relatively… Read more »

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” . . . the real value of their pay would go up.”

Relative to the face value.

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“Because Blax knows thousands of coyotes. lol Earth to Blax, come in. Your experience isn’t a drop in the ocean of human experience. Most of our knowledge has to come from other people. If we have a little on the ball, we require corroboration and examination.” Hmmmm…. I’d bet my life on the fact that I have a broader life experience than you do, and know a much wider ” range ” of people from all walks of life, here and abroad. just a hunch formed by your commentary. ” If we have a little on the ball, we require… Read more »

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Note that I have lived through, as a person with self-awareness who labored for at least some of the money that kept him, the transition from intrinsic value money (paper debt notes could be exchanged at a bank for intrinsic value coinage, face value for face value, on demand. Or you could just do it at the corner store.) to nuttin’ but debt notes. I lived through the real economic turmoil. I could live through the “economic turmoil” of going back to real money. Having lived through the transition to worse, I have no fear of the transition back to… Read more »

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kfg a couple of weeks ago, I almost had a stroke trying to explain ” value ” in a discussion with a friend ( real estate mini-mogul type ). His immovable stance was the markets always determine ” value ” ( textbook stuff he learned on his way to becoming a multi-thousandaire ). The stroke part came when we veered off into ” The strong dollar ” and the absence of inflation/hyperinflation. I gave up trying to explain fiat currency to him long ago because the concept just won’t penetrate his skull, so to him, money is real because ”… Read more »

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” . . . a discussion with a friend ( real estate mini-mogul type ).”

I have had that very discussion. When I looked him straight in the eye and said, calmly but forcefully, that “the value of your house is that it houses you,” his brain function visibly stopped for a number of seconds.

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“Value. It has a nasty dual meaning.”

At the time “price” and “value” were conceptually linked, exchanges were done market value against market value of their intrinsic value (ten pounds of chicken worth five pounds of cow worth an ounce of silver).

Now the conceptual association is Orwellian.

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Yeah. This is true up to a point, then it isn’t ( in the wider scope ). Not knowing something and demanding corroboration and needed examination, if you actually know enough to recognize that corroboration sans ignorant bias.

Corroboration, as in eyewitness corroboration. Evidence based on the senses without a judgmental lens. Have you even thought about this? I’ve gone into this deeply, as only an autist can. I know whereof I speak and I can spot a phony.

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“At the time “price” and “value” were conceptually linked, exchanges were done market value against market value of their intrinsic value” We still do this,even with barter there is a measurement of value. The question isn’t weather or not honest currency valuation is better,rather how to arrive in a credit addicted modern world. Trump is the closest thing I’ve seen to a catalyst in years as they find excuses not to loan him money for economic stimulus. Almost the end of printing new inflation to loan out. I’m getting a sense of dejavu here,you could survive as well as I… Read more »

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Blax, broad and shallow or deep and narrow, we all have varied experiences. [roll my eyes at your virtue signalling] I’ve deal with nasty bullies in elementary school, a psychopath or two, paupers, princes, all races, lived in a couple of countries overseas for a couple of years and a few more for a matter of weeks in each. I’ve lived “in the bubble” except for a stretch as a pauper in summer school. I say that I will run from a fight, but I’ve never actually had to run from one, so maybe it’s bullshit. My rap sheet is… Read more »

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It appears that the more money is injected the higher the commodities get the more inflated the markets and fuels the higher the consumer prices. This isn’t economic stimulus rather tax and debt stimulus. Mainly because all the “money”stays in the bank.

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” . . . even with barter there is a measurement of value.” Barter is where money comes from (even fiat currency is bartered. That’s what a currency exchange does and why currencies float in value relative to each other). Money is the use of a bartered commodity as a universal medium of exchange. The barter value of an ounce of silver stands in for the barter value of ten pounds of chicken when acquiring 5 pounds of cow. They all have, on average, the same market demand pressure, which is relative to their intrinsic value versus their supply. “Still… Read more »

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” . . . all the “money”stays in the bank.”

While yours is skimmed to pay the interest on it. That’s the debt economy. That’s why TPTB get hysterical about “growth.” It’s inherently a pyramid. Inflation of fiat currencies isn’t direct profit seeking by merchants, it’s an upfront tax on “money” itself. A tax that compounds.

There is never actually enough money to pay it. You need to run faster and faster just to stay in the same place.

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@kfg: where do you recommend us to learn those survival skills?

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Blaximus
I know things to be true from knowing and talking to the actual people.

Great. What is a caterpillar and have you ever seen one?

Easier question: when 200 people from Bangladesh showed up inside the US perimeter in the McAllen sector last month, do you think that the Gulf cartel didn’t know about it, had nothing to do with it?

Demonstrate knowledge or drop the topic, Blaximus.

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@IAS

The old guys are gonna say some retarded manly shit like “just live, man. You cant learn anything useful through reading books”blah blah blah lol. so here’s the book I got sitting on my bookshelf:

https://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Handbook-Third-Surviving/dp/0062378074

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“where do you recommend us to learn those survival skills?” Where you are, relative the environment you’re in, with an eye for how that environment might radically change in the future. I gave an urban example to show that even Bear Grylls shit isn’t all just Bear Grylls shit. I don’t know your environment, so I can’t give specifics, other than first read, then do. I see people on the tubes putting together survival packs and they almost invariably include a “pocket survival guide.” But here’s the thing, when you need the information to survive, it’s already too damned late… Read more »

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J:The old guys are gonna say some retarded manly shit like “just live, man. You cant learn anything useful through reading books”blah blah blah lol.

KFG: First read.

I fooled you, Grandma.

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@j

that book won’t teach you how to survive in the blue pilled world!

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“A pocket survival guide is really a pocket survival practice guide. Carry it with you and use it before you need it, so that when you need it, you don’t need it”

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