Primordial Archetypes

This morning I was made aware of another example of open Hypergamy. A Russian Alpha Widow admitted to her duplicity in switching her Beta husband’s sperm with that of her ex lover’s in her IVF insemination. Now, at the risk of throwing red meat to the wolves here, I wanted to dissect this situation a bit to explain a larger concept I’ve been considering lately. It would be enough to use this situation as one more example of women’s prime directive – Hypergamy before all else – but, there’s more involved here that illustrates the sociological reach that Hypergamy has for women.

You see, Yana Anokhina, 38, couldn’t have pulled off her deception of Maxim Anokhin without enlisting the aid of Dr. Liya Kazaryan and her staff in swapping out his sperm for that of Yana’s former lover; the Alpha for whom she was widowed’. I’m not entirely sure that her former lover (now her current relationship) was aware of the swap, but there’s no question about Yana’s motives.

Ms Anokhina has not spoken about the swap but reports say she wanted the father of her baby to be the man she loved – not her husband.

‘It was found out during the investigation in court that Maxim’s wife Yana was the one who initiated the process of replacing her husband’s biological material,’ reported Vesti.

‘Allegedly, she wanted to give birth to a child by a man with whom she was in love, and her husband was the one who paid the costs.’

So this isn’t just as simple as she got knocked up by her Alpha lover and tricked her Beta husband into believing the inseminated sperm was his own. She had to actually go to the trouble of collecting two samples of sperm, convincing the IVF clinic’s doctor and staff into making the swap (and then withholding the truth from the father) and then carrying the pregnancy to term and keeping her husband ignorant of the ruse for a year. This may seem like the deviousness of a particular woman, but remember, she had to enlist the confidence of Dr. Kazaryan and other clinicians (I presume also female).

And she does all this with a laugh.

I’ve written quite a bit on what I call the Sisterhood Über Alles and this is one more example of how that collective female consciousness intuitively understands and both consciously and unconsciously promotes the interests of the Feminine Imperative – even for unfamiliar, anonymous women.

Now you might say, “Well Rollo, this is just one horrible example of a few women who got in cahoots to deceive a hapless Beta chump. Not all women are like this.” Or I’m sure the more morally conscious of ‘red pill women’ would simply point out that they would never do such a thing and convince us that ‘quality women’ regularly police their own Hypergamous impulses – these Russian women just lack their moral superiority. Well, be that as it may, it’s not too difficult to find online forums dedicated to women collaborating with other women in order to trick a man into marrying a woman via false pregnancy claims. In fact there’s a lucrative black market for positive pregnancy tests sold to women wanting to press their boyfriends into a marriage commitment by way of a false-positive pregnancy scare.

The fact behind all this still remains – women evolved for a subconscious, collective duplicity when it comes to optimizing on Hypergamy.

We can see this in popular culture; a culture defined by the Feminine Imperative now. Dalrock once said we have replaced the monogamous marriage model of child rearing with the child support model of child rearing today. I believe he’s right, but how is that child support model effected today and how doe it align with women’s evolved, instinctual predilections?

Humankind evolved from small tribal collectives, but in each collective there were commonalities of behaviors that developed similarly to solve various personal and collective (tribal) problems. For instance, an instinctive (unlearned) fear of snakes or spiders in women is an evolved part of humankind’s collective mental firmware. A small boys natural propensity to throw an object with strength and accuracy might be another example.

How women interact today in what I call the Sisterhood is a gestalt of the various instinctive behaviors that the women of our tribal ancestors developed to aid them in collective support as well as ensuring long-term security in reproduction. In other words, women evolved to do exactly what Dr. Kazaryan did, and so many other women in various “trick him into marrying you” forums do, to enable another woman’s sexual strategy. From an evolutionary perspective it follows that women who aided their ‘sisters’ in Hypergamy would themselves be aided and insure that this archetypal behavior became a characteristic of women’s collectivist nature.

I once watched a video of some daytime women’s talk show that centered on how women could justifiably trap a man into commitment by essentially lying to him about a faked pregnancy. I apologize for not having a link to it here, but while I was looking for it on YouTube I was inundated with videos of shows on this topic – I literally couldn’t find the one I was thinking of because there were so many returns. Watching this show I was hit by just how many women in the audience rallied behind the women doing the ‘trapping’ and the myriad justifications offered to allay any feelings of guilt, remorse or doubts about having a child.

This is particularly emphasized if the ‘father’ in question fulfills an ideal of women’s collective Hypergamy. To the collective hivemind of women, a woman is, by nature, entitled to a child with the most perfect father (high SMV) she can attract. Remember, shows and online forums like this are only small representative examples of that global Hypergamous archetypal expectation and the support women offer each other to optimize Hypergamy. I’ve stated before the the Sisterhood Über Alles (above all) transcends all considerations of tribe, race, religion and even political stripe. All women are part of ‘team woman‘ before any other affiliation; this is how the Feminine Imperative has remained a social influence since our hunter/gatherer beginnings. As we’ve progressed from small tribalist beginnings to larger collectives, to nations and now to globalism, this female collectivism has expanded to encompass the totality of womankind.

Love Me Vampire, Fuck Me Werewolf

Anyone who’s been reading my work for a while is probably scratching their heads as to why I’m referring to the concept of ‘archetypes’ here. As most of my readers know, I’ve never been a fan of Carl Jung. I’ve written about why this is a few times and I’ll probably write a more comprehensive essay about it in the coming year, but suffice to say that while Jung might be synonymous with the new agey metaphysical concept of archetypes, it was from anthropology that he lifted the term and that’s the basic reference I’m using here. That said, I don’t necessarily disagree with Jungian archetypes, it’s at the point where the concept takes on metaphysical aspects that I part ways with them.

However, the idea of archetypes is necessary to explain the last bit of the puzzle here, because it’s my belief that a primordial understanding of Hypergamy is part of our collective consciousness and unconsciousness. I say collective consciousness because since the time of the Sexual Revolution our global understanding of intersexual dynamics has become part of our social discourse. When I refer to something like Open Hypergamy I’m talking about the almost triumphant, open embrace of women’s sexual strategy. The generations that came after the Sexual Revolution scarcely remember that there was a time when intersexual truths we take for granted now weren’t something that was discussed in polite conversation. Hypergamy, while unconsciously understood, was secretive. A woman who other women called a ‘gold digger’ was disparaged by women not on moral grounds, but rather because she was open about the sexual strategy all women employ and they’d rather be kept secret so as to use it effectively.

In 2018 it’s almost quaint to think that women would be coy about Hypergamy. With the advent of the internet it became impossible for women to keep Hypergamy concealed, and really, why would they care to in an age when the necessary provisioning-side of Hypergamy is veritably insured? But it wasn’t always so obvious. Up until the mid 1960s the understanding of Hypergamy was an unconscious knowledge. Certainly it was discussed and written about by men contemplating the duplicitous nature of women. Ancient religious texts are rife with proverbs warning against the nature of women, so the basics of Hypergamy were something our tribal ancestors we’re well aware of.

I received this Tweet from a reader a few days ago:

This guy’s ‘revelation’ prompted me to consider the primordial understanding we have of Hypergamy. I’ve read dozens of articles by, and listened to dozens more interviews of, ‘popular psychologists’ who explain the commonalities of our classic human stories and myths. I got into this topic in Storytelling. The basic premise is that our common evolution has led to common themes in all human stories. The same elements and the same character archetypes pursue the same motives from culture to culture. Yet all of these commonalities are centered on similar aspects of our evolved mental firmware. The hero, the villain, good vs. evil, the wise old sage, the beautiful damsel to be saved, ect. are all founded on common human development. They are semi-conscious expressions of what our evolution has embedded in our mental firmware.

Now, what if I told you that the reality of women’s Hypergamous nature is also a part of that collective consciousness?

My theory is this: human beings have an innate understanding of the Alpha Seed – Beta Need nature of intersexual dynamics. On some level of consciousness we know, we feel, that it’s true, how it functions and why does. As a result, social institutions (religion and familial) created moral strictures around this unconscious knowledge to buffer against the worst effects of it on society. Only after the Sexual Revolution and men ceding virtually unilateral control of Hypergamy to women did these strictures change.

The concepts of men who represent Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks are similarly part of this instinctual understanding of Hypergamy. These too are archetypes, but more so, they form the basis of more complex male archetypes (love me Vampire, fuck me Werewolf). They are the men women want to fuck and the men women want to be provided for by. And we can trace the root of these archetypes through our evolution and even the evolution of other primates. These Hypergamous archetypes then manifest themselves in our era-specific, cultural specific, stories, narratives, mythology, etc.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

632 comments on “Primordial Archetypes

  1. In the theater of previous ages, even at the level of “Punch and Judy” puppets, these standard archetypes were common. The foolish old man who chases the young woman, who pretends to love him only for his resources while cuckolding him with a younger man; more than one opera as well. A different version of AF-BB.

    Mozart’s 18th century opera “Cosi fan Tutti” (“Thus they all are”) is a timeless and amusing look, a modern title would be “All Women Are Like That”. Heh. Many examples abound.

    It is remarkable to view art, read literature, see operas and plays all clearly steeped in a realistic, Red Pill / Glasses perspective from previous centuries as if they are some new revelation.

    When did Western culture begin to hide these timeless truths from men? Was it the late Victorian era, was it the 20’s, the 50’s, when?

  2. A werewolf in vampire” clothing might be an apt new metaphor in the manasphere. Rollo, did you (and the guy who forwarded you the comic strip he created) just create a new viral meme?!

  3. why not keep the betas in the dark, and raise the alpha lover’s kids tho? Real Alphas are typically poor selfish scumbags who’d make unsuitable fathers anyway.

    – Girl gets what she wants: alpha seed.
    – Alpha gets what he wants: continue his legacy
    – Beta gets what he wants: family life, contributes to society and best of all: he gets to fuck The One ™ he’s so in luvv with (since he’s not interested in the player lifestyle).

  4. Rollo: I haven’t been able to write to you directly so will post something here.

    What are your thoughts on “blue pill” women, ie. the same blue/red pill framework applied to women? Are there any parallels?

  5. I can’t recall which of Rollo’s posts it was, but women are all essentially “red pill”, even if they don’t know it by that term. Some men are “red pill”, consciously or unconsciously. Most “blue pill” men are that way unconsciously. Then there’s the “purple pill” set of men trying to use red pill means to fulfill blue pill ends.
    I can’t imagine what a “blue pill” woman is. Perhaps it is a woman who so thoroughly manages to delude herself with the feminist pablum that she ends up alone with cats, dildos and wine after a wild ride on the Carousel. The “red pill” woman would party hard during her best years and would manage to land a provider just before hitting the Wall.

  6. “Real Alphas are typically poor selfish scumbags who’d make unsuitable fathers anyway.”

    Oh, Really?

    Know they are not, exactly.

    You aren’t that beguiling as you so fancy yourself. And women aren’t that enticed, as you believe.

    Good luck with that world-view.

  7. why not keep the betas in the dark, and raise the alpha lover’s kids tho?
    – Girl gets what she wants: alpha seed.
    – Alpha gets what he wants: continue his legacy
    – Beta gets what he wants: family life, contributes to society and best of all: he gets to fuck The One ™ he’s so in luvv with (since he’s not interested in the player lifestyle).

    YaReally where art thou?

    Your eternal questions haunt J. And hang in the air. WTF?

    In the Air Tonight

    Phil Collins

    I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord
    And I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
    Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord

    Well if you told me you were drowning, I would not lend a hand
    I’ve seen your face before my friend, but I don’t know if you know who I am
    Well I was there and I saw what you did, I saw it with my own two eyes
    So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you’ve been
    It’s all been a pack of lies

  8. If you want to take the ideas into the next level, I suggest you to read Stan Gooch’s books. His take is that vampire archetypes are phylogenetic reminiscences of our female-centric Neanderthal genetic heritage. The Sister Uber Alles concept also reminds me of Frank Herbert’s Bene Gesserit.

  9. @Mineter

    I can’t recall which of Rollo’s posts it was, but women are all essentially “red pill”, even if they don’t know it by that term.

    Only women’s sex-brain is Red Pill. Their cortex is often very Blue Pill. Hamsterization.

  10. LotF

    What you are missing is that women can be trained to manage their Hypergamy. Such women are suitable for LTRs.

    Example 1. Mrs. Gamer didn’t kiss a man until she was out of her father’s house. No boyfriend for 21 years. Then she had one and would only allow brief kisses on the lips. She was a virgin when we married. Mrs. Gamer’s father told her that if she had a bf, her father would stop supporting her and kick her out of the house. Mrs. Gamer didn’t date in HS or college.

    Example 2. Mrs. Gamer had a crush on a doctor who worked at the same hospital while we were married. The doctor was internationally famous and arrogant as all get out. Very alpha. Whenever Mrs. Gamer saw the doc in the hallway at the hospital, she would hide to avoid him. Mrs. Gamer figured out on her own that she had to avoid alphas.

  11. I’m a young man, and I’m not planning to get married anywhere in the future, but hypothetically, if my wife had a crush on someone else, I would go fuck random women until she fears me more. I have to be the ultimate Alpha in her eyes

    You don’t understand how women’s sexual arousal works. Whenever women come in contact with an alpha or three, her focus will be on them and she will forget you because she is in the moment–even if you have excellent game and frame and are fucking multiple women and are the ultimate alpha when you are with other alphas. For a woman, it’s always about who is the “top dog” in the woman’s context. The only way that women can manage attraction to other alphas when you are not around is to try to avoid being alone with them.

  12. ASD – Once again you are taking your limited life experience of data point=1 and extrapolating generalizations to the extreme. Clearly the (limited) experiences of you and Mrs. Gamer are not typical of most others.

    Just because “hypergamy doesn’t care” (i.e. she WILL be aroused by the Alpha in the room), it does not logically follow that she will not ALSO remember your dread game and feel fear in that same moment. Remember that they want IT ALL!

    At least in my personal experience, dread game sticks with your woman even when you’re not in the room. If it doesn’t, you aren’t doing it right…

  13. @Lord of the Flies

    Re: The ultimate alpha in her eyes.

    Are you a dark triad 0.1%er that could quite literally have her murdered and get away with it if she ever betrayed you?

    If not, marriage may not be for you.

  14. Women LOVE the excitement of “not getting caught”. In an odd way, dread game may end up causing women to have super secret affairs as open hypergamy continues to unfold.

    How does humanity learn these lessons and then retain them? As has been stated, this knowledge is already contained in our older works of art, yet we’ve lost track of them. Society is going to tank and have to be rebuilt. What finally gets men to retain these lessons?

  15. @marelius

    Just because “hypergamy doesn’t care” (i.e. she WILL be aroused by the Alpha in the room), it does not logically follow that she will not ALSO remember your dread game and feel fear in that same moment.

    True, and hopefully she will leave the presence of the competing alpha because of your Dread Game even if she is untrained. Training really is essential. If you don’t know how to train a girl, you’re not doing it right.

    @LotF

    Dread Game is for Betas, which means the way he leads life, isn’t enough to keep up his wife’s pussy wet.

    You are an expert at kj-ing about relationships. It’s so obvious that you lack relationship skills. Even though I’m autistic, I have solid relationship skills.

  16. A girl in her 20’s i’m currently banging has this Twilight look. I call her vampire, she calls me werewolf…

    It just sort of evolved. Now I realize these archetypes represent two sides of the same coin: The vampire takes by slowly sucking the life out of her victim…the werewolf aggressively takes what he wants when he wants.

  17. @LOTF, as regards @ASD comments on KJ-ing, as well as your reference to your uncle…

    I got an Uncle in Puerto Rico
    Spends his days in the sun
    His nights in the casinos
    He left the States many years ago
    Took a fishin’ boat to Puerto Rico
    Now my aunt – she is sad and lonely
    She’ll never know that she drove him away
    As a coward I admire his courageous ways

    Its that last line that makes me think of you, LOTF

  18. Just a thought: isn’t the dragon the knight has to vanquish to get the princess an archetypical representation of the biggest shit test of all. She’s a princess, to earn her, you need to show your mettle, get the shit beaten out of you and surely risk your life. Told by men, the emotional battering a man will get to conquer a woman is presented as a a formidable obstacle in the form of a dragon.

  19. Dread Game is for MRP, which means the way he leads life, is enough to keep up his relationship on edge, his will in command, and his wife’s pussy wet.

    FTFY

    MRP is RP on hard mode – no one not in that game can understand what that means. When those not in the MRP game ask, and we describe, you challenge what is said because you cannot wrap your mind around it. Yes, it IS a YUGE amount of work, so it stands to reason those of us undertaking that effort will have correspondingly YUGE amounts of reference material.

    Also, before anyone jumps on to criticize – I do NOT recommend marriage to anyone not already deeply invested (i.e. kids, more than half of your lifetime experiences, etc.)

  20. The Sister Uber Alles concept also reminds me of Frank Herbert’s Bene Gesserit

    Second rate science fiction from the 1960’s is no basis for understanding reality in 2018.

  21. You didn’t check my latest text, I’m not a relationship, humour type of guy

    Obviously, if you’re commenting on relationships, but not in one, then you’re a fucking keyboard jockey.

  22. Rates of three STDs in US reach record high, CDC says

    The preliminary data suggest that more than 1.7 million cases of chlamydia were diagnosed in 2017, with about 45% — 771,340 cases — emerging among 15- to 24-year-old women and girls.

    In 2013, there were 1,752,285 total cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis diagnosed in the United States. That number grew to 1,811,850 in 2014; 1,945,746 in 2015; 2,094,682 in 2016; and 2,294,821 in 2017, according to the preliminary CDC data.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/health/std-rates-united-states-2018-bn/

    This being CNN, it’s probably just more Fake News.

    Stay buttoned up.

  23. j
    why not keep the betas in the dark, and raise the alpha lover’s kids tho? Real Alphas are typically poor selfish scumbags who’d make unsuitable fathers anyway.

    Oh, come on, you can troll a bit more subtly than that.

    Besides, prima noctae / Droit du seigneur is so old fashioned.

  24. @ j

    “Why not keep the betas in the dark, and raise the alpha lover’s kids tho?
    Real Alphas are typically poor selfish scumbags who’d make unsuitable fathers anyway.”

    Disregarding the ethical aspects or any sense of justice, do you really want those “poor selfish scumbag” genes propagating in society over those who value “family life & contribute to society”?

    Is this sarcasm? Who are the nether-apes liking this sort of one-dimensional ‘thinking’?

  25. being forced into finance linkedin feeds…

    https://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/322642/im-female-banker-male-colleagues-making-infertile

    Posted in toto

    I’m a woman in banking. I’m a vice president and am nearly a decade into my career in the investment banking division (IBD) of a European bank in London. I am at an age when you might expect to have a child. – I would certainly like to have a child, but I believe that my banking career is making it difficult for me to conceive.

    When you’re a woman in your mid-30s, fertility is not a given. If you’re working 80 hours a week and are exhausted, conceiving a child doesn’t necessarily happen as easily as you might think. I know, and I am not the only one to have this problem. For women in finance, the heavy workload, the high stress and the lack of sleep not only make it difficult to find a partner, but are a recipe for hormonal imbalance and infertility. The longer I work in banking, the more that I feel that I’m being made to make a choice: the ability to conceive, or the opportunity to become an MD.

    My male colleagues don’t have this dilemma. Not only are they able to have children easily (often with women who work outside banking) but their ability to start families is making it even harder for female bankers like me to do the same.

    In the past few years several of my male colleagues have started families. They all take paternity leave (usually for around a month, sometimes for longer) and when they come back they often expect to work a bit less. As a case in point, I was recently asked to take on extra project by a colleague who’s a new father – he said he needs to spend time with his baby and can’t work as much as I do.

    I’m stuck in a vicious cycle. The more that my male colleagues have children, the more that I am expected to cover for them and the harder it becomes for me to conceive. You can see why I’m annoyed.

    It’s time that this dynamic is openly discussed. Plenty of women my age in finance have the same problem. It’s not considered appropriate to push-back when all the new fathers (and there are quite a few of them) expect their still-childless female colleagues to work harder than they do. Nor do any of these men take time to really understand the women they work with or to appreciate the sacrifices they are making for their roles.

    Men and women are not the same. Women can and will work as hard as men, but doing so often comes at a tangible physical cost. This is why a lot of the senior women in banking are childless. By comparison, most of the men in banking have children. Some women in banking choose not to have children, but for a lot of women it’s forced upon them. Men in banking need to be more sensitive to this – and to stop crowing about their children and expecting childless female colleagues to pick up the slack when they start dumping work on them and taking extra time off.

    Laura McDonald is the pseudonym of a VP level banker in London

    1. @Sentient: That female banker article is just fucking gold! There’s never any responsibility for making g hard decisions, it’s my jobs fault, it’s men’s fault, nature’s fault…All this from a supposedly high performing, intelligent woman. Men being men makes it harder to start a family😁 I mean the lack of self awareness, foresight,and the entitlement…it’s just funny.

      Women nowadays always refer to the sisterhood trope proselytizing how women can have kids past 40yrs “nowadays”.
      No thought of the cost, financially, physically, emotionally…nothing.

      All we hear now is ‘freezing eggs’!😄😄😄

      Katie Hopkins recently was on some UK TV morning show trying tell a woman to settle down early…her rationalization just showed how many women are going to come up short globally, especially in the west…and westernized urban centers in less developed countries.

      https://youtu.be/aMXZoczdjFs

      Women keep being told they’re the shot, everywhere by everyone…

      A rude awakening awaits many.

      I have no sympathy…

  26. Sentient links to:

    For women in finance, the heavy workload, the high stress and the lack of sleep not only make it difficult to find a partner, but are a recipe for hormonal imbalance and infertility.

    Duh. It’s called a “tradeoff” for a reason. The entitlement drips. The common sense is absent.

    Cleary we are not at peak feminism yet.

  27. @Rollo

    “On some level of consciousness we know, we feel, that it’s true, how it functions and why does. As a result, social institutions (religion and familial) created moral strictures around this unconscious knowledge to buffer against the worst effects of it on society.”

    Prior to encountering this blog and the manosphere I used to find hints of red pill in the works of Marquis De Sade and most importantly when I read an interview of the artist Otto Muehl from the Viennese actionist movement. Muehl started in the early 70’s the infamous far-left commune “Friedrichshof Commune” which basically was a blank slate social experiment. According to his words:

    “It was a social experiment with collective property, free sexuality, and collective children’s education, and involved the private instruction and higher-level education of children and adults in the fine and performing arts, including: music, dance, theater, film, self-expression, painting, actionist art, and work in our own workshops and business enterprises. This time the actions were not carried out by me alone, but by all of the members: it was a commune of actionist life-praxis. Actionist art is distinguished by not aiming at an end result, but seeking to become a practice where all the developmental possibilities of a conceptualized project can be acted out. At that time, I had the hope that a new work of art could come into being in precisely this way, one that renewed and rejuvenated itself in an evolutionary way. As later became apparent, this project was infected with its own demise from the very outset. The idea was not able to sustain itself and to develop farther into the future. On the contrary, starting in the 1980s, the participants began to show signs of fatigue. Disagreements over collective property and private property, and over monogamy and free sexuality, which we could not resolve at that time, precipitated the dissolution of the group. I know today that monogamy and free sexuality are needs of equal value. The extremes of monogamy and free sexuality, private and collective, can only be solved by the synthesis of the “as well as” principle. I hold pure collective property to be an unsuitable form of social organization. Collective property belongs to no one. The individual owners of collective property own nothing; rather, the collective property owns them. They work not for themselves but for the collective property. Collective property led to self-exploitation.”

    “How was your commune formed, and what kinds of people joined it? Did the commune members come from particular social classes? Had they been previously involved with your art works?

    They were naïve people who were washed ashore during the student revolts in the 1960s. They came in innocent and left the same. They didn’t know what they were saying: “We don’t want couple relationships.” They didn’t know what that meant. They thought they could fuck around. They saw that they couldn’t handle their sexuality. The women in the commune were those who created culture. They chose their partners for themselves. Those who could not succeed outside in society in inspiring a woman to love them had even less success in the commune because the competition was greater. Many were very disappointed.”

  28. Excellent exposition of the female psyche: hamsterization of the dual desires to be suckled (vampire) and to be ravaged (werewolf). In both cases men, monstrous, are the vehicles for fulfillment of those desires. In both cases “it just happened” to the woman . . . because men are monsters — a nice circular alleviation of any possible culpability.

    Male imaging of the vampire and werewolf is usually the ideal seducer and the ideal rapine respectively.

  29. Oh come on! I’m a woman who discovered the MGTOW/Red Pill sphere some time back and actually agree with quite a bit of it. I do think there are scripts women are consciously and subconsciously encouraged to follow, and I think many of those scripts are ultimately self-defeating. I think ‘social media feminism’ is confused, at best. But articles like this are exhausting.

    You are speaking about some kind of a feminine collective that encompasses all cultures and races. Dude, you cannot make that kind of proclamation based on some newspaper clippings and Youtube videos. That’s just bad research — really, really bad.

    There is a big gaping hole in this whole Red Pill philosophy that I’ve yet to see addressed, and it is this — female breadwinners/women who *can’t* be hypergamous because they earn too much.

    You talk about hypergamy spanning cultures, well let’s talk about it.

    I’m a Caribbean-American woman and at this point I am the second generation of women in my family who out-earned their husbands. And I am not a “unicorn” this is a PATTERN in black American culture. A significant percentage of black women have been out-earning their black male partners for some time now. Yes, yes there are the women who try to snag NBA/NFL players and trap them, but that does not represent a statistically meaningful percentage of black women who marry/partner up.

    https://thegrio.com/2013/06/14/african-american-women-coping-well-in-new-age-of-breadwinner-moms-in-which-40-percent-of-women-out-earn-spouses/

    If a black woman wants a black male partner, there is a pretty good chance that she will have to marry down socioeconomically.

    My mother was a corporate accountant while my father was a graduate student. Once he got out of grad school and entered a poor-earning career in academia she CHOSE to give up her lucrative career to bring a sense of ‘gender balance’ to the relationship. Years later she told me that it is one of the biggest regrets of her life, and she encouraged me never to give up my career/financial power within a marriage.

    I kept that advice when I married and, as a small business owner, out-earned my husband for the duration of our short marriage. And incidentally it was, in large part, his inability to deal with a high earning wife that accounted for the end of our union.

    I am a single mom (the group you LOVE to deride) and 33 years old (supposedly I’ve ‘hit the wall’) and I have NO PROBLEM dating. I am financially independent and thus have not squeezed my ex husband for child support. He has liberal visitation/overnights with his children.

    And this is often what happens when women have access to TRUE power and TRUE independence — they no longer see the need for a hypergamous script. And that’s when all of your “science” hits a wall. According to the many MANY articles of yours I’ve read on this site I should be a cat lady, trying to trap a man and weeping about my lost opportunity for partnership.

    Instead I helm a successful beauty startup, co-parent with my ex-husband and have an active dating and social life. I would love to marry again, but because I don’t need to marry a man for kids or money I have the ability to focus on things like compatibility and companionship.

    You may call me a unicorn, but I represent a growing percentage of women. As you note, women are making up a larger and larger share of college graduates and this is impacting the professional market in a big way. The number of woman entrepreneurs is skyrocketing and although statistically men still have a vast share of earning and professional power in this country, it is slowly but surely heading in a more equitable direction.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/female-breadwinners-marriage_us_5b3ef51fe4b09e4a8b2b780c

    You talk about evolution all the time, but you seem to ignore how society around you is evolving.

  30. It’s “Alpha Fucks” AND “Beta Bux” toots…

    A significant percentage of black women have been out-earning their black male partners for some time now.

    Congrats… now you are your own beta bux, you can focus on Alpha Fucks exclusively… [ white womenz are catching up…]

    I would love to marry again, but because I don’t need to marry a man for kids or money I have the ability to focus on things like compatibility and companionship.

    and there it is…

    More ‘work” for those werewolves out there… If you can get them to stop liming and come round for some roti 😉

  31. @Ugh

    “I don’t need to marry a man for kids or MONEY” …then above “And incidentally it was, in large part, his inability to deal with a high earning wife that accounted for the end of our union.”

    Also stop being so deluded! Men don’t give a fuck on things like compatibility and companionship with a single mommy!

  32. So I’ve been a lurker in the MGTOW/Red Pill sphere long enough to know that what’s coming is a string of insults targeting my female identity.

    Just so you know, I will be bypassing/ignoring all of those and waiting until someone addresses the core of my comment: the GAP in the Red Pill mindset aka women who are financially and, to a degree, socially independent and thus don’t adhere to a hypergamous script. These are women, like me, who still want men in their lives for sex and companionship, but are not following a hypergamous script to achieve that.

  33. “You may call me a unicorn . . .”

    You keep using that word. I think it means the opposite of what you think it means.

  34. “I’ve been a lurker in the MGTOW/Red Pill sphere . . . I will be bypassing/ignoring all of those and waiting until someone addresses the core of my comment: the GAP in the Red Pill mindset aka women who are financially and, to a degree, socially independent and thus don’t adhere to a hypergamous script.”

    Which just goes to show: reading is not the same thing as comprehension.

    Why would I “target” your femininity when you are presenting as the very model of human female hypergamy, an anti-unicorn?

  35. “So I’ve been a lurker in the MGTOW/Red Pill sphere long enough to know that what’s coming is a string of insults targeting my female identity.”

    Not hardly. I was about to unload with a string of insults targeting your female masculinity….

    BTW, why didn’t your first marriage work out?

  36. “I was about to unload with a string of insults targeting your female masculinity….”

    She is projecting desirable to women masculine traits onto herself as if they were desirable to men feminine traits.

    Which, of course, we have never seen a mid 30s, single mother and career woman do before.

  37. compatibility and companionship, huh?

    What virtues do you want your next man to have in order to be a compatible companion for you?

    List like five things here.

  38. . . . waiting until someone addresses the core of my comment: the GAP in the Red Pill mindset aka women who are financially and, to a degree, socially independent and thus don’t adhere to a hypergamous script.

    I’ll address it: what’s your waist-to-hip ratio?

  39. It’s ok, don’t be shy, Deida estimates 10% of heterosexual relationships are masculine female and feminine male. Nothing wrong with that if you are compatible and complement each other.

  40. This isn’t really about that in total.

    This is about something the sphere knows very little about, and is not researched widely, nor has it ever been addressed in any meaningful way.

    I’ll respond to her when I get time, but it’s gonna be tl;:dr and it won’t make sense at all ( from experience or perspective ) to many of my fellow commenters.

    I’ve said forever, there’s more than one red pill, and there’s more than one reality happening simultaneously.

    Matrix.

  41. @Palmasailor

    if she is having a super exciting life as a high earning single mommy why she is a lurker in the manosphere?

  42. ” . . . there’s more than one reality happening simultaneously.”

    The Wachowski things completely fell apart when their movies hit that point.

  43. ” Voodoo?”

    Nope. Any man that has accepted the need for a red pill understand that things aren’t always what they appear to be on the surface, OR what society Tells you is going on.

    This, is a universal truth – not just one to be cherry picked.

    Buuuttttt…..

    It is, and it will be.

    Cool.

  44. “Seventy percent of our households are led by our precious, proud, fine black women,” he said. “But as proud, beautiful and fine as our black women are, one thing a black woman cannot do — a black woman cannot raise a black boy to be a man.”–Edgy remarks made by Rev. Jasper Williams Jr. at Aretha Franklin’s funeral last Friday have drawn criticism from the Franklin family for failing to properly eulogize the Queen of Soul.

  45. @kfj

    Nope. We live in 2018. ‘Earning a lot of money’ cannot continue to be a gendered thing. My business is as girly as they come. I found a niche in beauty. However, the business earns well. You can interpret that as masculine. I interpret it as modern capitalism.

    There are women who come out the gate with an intent to be high powered. And then there are women, like me, who are naturally intelligent and find their way in the American economy in a way that rewards them financially. I am not ‘projecting’ anything. I am stating my lived experience. For you to slap ‘male’ on my life as an entrepreneur is pretty bizarre.

    Is my business savvy attractive to men? I’m sure to some it isn’t. To some it is. I don’t worry about how my life looks to other people. It’s my life.

    @Palmasailor

    I dated 4 guys this summer. I enjoy casual sex. I’m good.

    @SJF

    That is what I am currently figuring out. Humor, intelligence and dependability come to mind. My marriage failed for many reasons but Blue Pilled thinking was a part of it, which is why I have grown cold to feminism. We started getting funky with the gender roles simply because I was earning more. Men need to be men and women need to be women. The challenge, I think, is figuring out what exactly that looks like in this day and age when economics are becoming increasingly fluid when it comes to gender.

    @SJB

    I have nothing to hide and I don’t hide behind a keyboard while talking big. My instagram is here: https://www.instagram.com/leilanoelliste/ since you’re so concerned about my measurements. But while we’re at it, what are yours?

    @Blaximus

    I’m assuming from the name you’re black as well? Maybe understand a bit where I am coming from? It is not that I deny hypergamy. It happens. But my contention is that Rollo paints it with way too broad a brush. As a black woman a lot of what he says about “female nature” sounds straight up foreign to me.

  46. @SJF

    No, I can’t raise a black boy to be a man. I never said I could.

    This is why I co-parent and we are currently finalizing a joint custody agreement.

    As Blaximus said, stay on topic.

  47. “Seventy percent of our households are led by our precious, proud, fine black women,”

    The Caribbean got there 100 years ahead of Detroit.

    @Ugh: ” For you to slap ‘male’ on my life as an entrepreneur is pretty bizarre.”

    Q.E.D.

  48. Ugh
    The challenge, I think, is figuring out what exactly that looks like in this day and age when
    economics are becoming increasingly fluid when it comes to gender.

    Hypergamy will be satisfied, or trouble will ensue. That’s a given. There’s more than one way to satisfy hypergamic needs.

    One option can be described thus:
    “I’m the captain of the boat even when she’s catching most of the fish”.

    Women’s ingroup preference of 4:1 is testable, it shows up cross culturally, and of course you deny it. Women always do…

  49. “The fact behind all this still remains – women evolved for a subconscious, collective duplicity when it comes to optimizing on Hypergamy.”

    Women collective seek to ensure and optimize hypergamy. I get that, as it’s seen in nature, by female animal gatekeeping sex to only the successful male that is the tournament winner. He is the best of the contenders, so he mates with all the females of the pride or herd. Human females don’t get to share one prime male “winner”, so at what point does the human female collective duplicity for hypergamy breakdown into intra-sexual competition between themselves? Not all of the thots can be winners.

  50. @AR
    “Second rate science fiction from the 1960’s is no basis for understanding reality in 2018.”

    You Earthlings are like frightened children, clinging to your toys. Enjoy the few remaining solar rotations before we come there to live …

    Sincerely,
    Second-Rate 1960s Sci-Fi Aliens
    The Planet Antheon

  51. Marry the vampire/fuck the werewolf.

    Where have we seen this meme before?

    Oh yeah the Twilight series.

    Written by a Mormon mom who claims she doesn’t drink, smoke, or whatever.

  52. Ugh

    You did very well in your answers to the opening salvo of ‘fitness tests” here. Us testing you in our masculine way. Good job.

    Also thanks for telling us your frame, about who you are for the context of your questions. Good job there too.

    I take back the masculine comment. You look feminine. Your opening comment didn’t sound feminine. Umm, Sorry?

    “That is what I am currently figuring out. Humor, intelligence and dependability come to mind.”

    You might have to settle for two out of three. The guys you want to be with, lets call them Alpha Males, are not necessarily known for their dependability. Do you know why that is?

    “…. the GAP in the Red Pill mindset aka women who are financially and, to a degree, socially independent and thus don’t adhere to a hypergamous script. These are women, like me, who still want men in their lives for sex and companionship, but are not following a hypergamous script to achieve that.

    What you are trying to say is: Women like you don’t need a Beta Male provider (Beta Bucks). You still want a dependable masculine Alpha male to be with. And you want a good one that is dependable (as an Alpha Fucks). You still are adhering to a Hypergamous script as far as what you want. Casual sex. You still want an apex, prime, good genes, attractive man. You still have to attract him to give you what you want. There is competition for those men.

    Do you also want him to share parenting skills for your children?

    Do you want a long term relationship? Were any of the four men you dated this summer candidates for a long term relationship? Why not?

  53. Ugh,

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/03/13/the-hypergamy-conspiracy/

    Commenter Escoffier in that linked essay:

    “I don’t think that’s right.

    The theory is more like this, from what I have read. Hypergamy is a woman’s natural (which is to say, genetically wired) preference for a higher status male–that is, higher status than herself and also higher status than the other men in her field of vision and also perhaps higher status than men she has known in the past and even (at the extremes) higher status than most men she can personally imagine meeting. That cuts across a range of possible relationships, all the way from a ONS to marriage. In all cases, women naturally prefer the highest status man they can get. And sometimes they want so much status that they won’t settle on ANY man they could actually get.

    “Status” has a varied meaning in this definition. Certain things correllate with high status, for intance money, prestige, social standing, etc. However a man can have all of that and still be low status because of low status intrapersonal behavior (i.e., needy schlumpitude). The highest possible status male would be rich, good looking, fit, well dressed, high social cache, high prestige job (preferably one which involves risk, physical risk being better than mere monetary risk), and also extroverted, dominant, the leader of his group of friends, able to command any social situation, and so on. However, women are wired to be turned on more by the latter BEHAVORIAL traits than by be the former SUBSTANTIVE traits. So, if you have have to choose one or the other, to get women, be socially dominant and a broke societal loser rather than socially awkward and a rich societal winner. But best to be both, if possible.

    As to marriage, sure women want to marry up. But this does not exhaust the effects of hypergamy. Women can marry up–both intrinsically and in their own mind–and still ditch their catch because someone “better” comes along. That is hypergamy at work.

    Also, when women are pursuing short and medium term mating, hypergamy has no less force. They always prefer the most socially dominant male they can get. This is often relative (A&B are both a little dweeby but A is more alpha than B and since I want someone NOW I choose A) but sometimes it is more intrinsic (A&B are both a little dweeby and even though A is a little more alpha, since I don’t have to have someone NOW, I am going to hold out for the Real Deal).

    It’s not all about marriage. It’s about mate selection accross the range of circumstances.

    That, at any rate, is how I believe the manosphere understands “hypergamy.””

  54. …Fuck the werewolf”
    Interesting that one prominent pop culture werewolf — Lawrence Talbot, as played by Lon Chaney Jr. in the 1940s Wolfman flicks — was a chumpy good-guy beta aghast at what he would do under the spell of the moon.

    Of course the sexual context was kept somewhat buried. He would just try to chomp on Evelyn Ankers or Ilona Massey, not seduce them.

    https://youtu.be/Fto1MSXioSc

  55. @Ugh, I’d say some women choose careers as beta male replacements. As successful as your career may be, and as many benefits that it offers you, it, too, will leave a gap in your happiness and relationship success, just like a beta male would.

    I don’t think Rollo talking about that big gaping hole in red pill philosophy will make you happy either. I checked out your Instagram photos. I see you have some with you smiling and some with the unhappy “hard” look. You chose the hard, unhappy photo as your lead pic. To me this is telling. That picture says, “I’m unhappy,” “stay back,” “what you looking at?” You could have lead with your smiling pics, but you didn’t. In my opinion, if you find out why you did that, you may red pill yourself better than any red pill hole that Rollo addressing could do.

  56. @Ugh, the biological realities of hypergamy don’t change even as the society around us does. Studies and articles, for the most part, demonstrate:

    1) Women generally detest dating or marrying down (not always consciously). They strongly prefer to date and marry across and up from their educational/economic status. As women reach educational and economic parity with men, one side of the dual mating strategy – to find a good “vampire” – becomes harder and harder to fulfill. Hence the trope about late 30’s/early 40’s career driven women alone with cats. Sadly, these women, who have achieved so much (career, education credentials, economic self sufficiency), are less happy then their mother’s generation. Dating and sex may be fine through the early 40’s but ultimately, a sense of being empty and unfulfilled pervades. As a black woman, this pain is more likely even more pronounced for you, as so many black males are lost and adrift.
    2) Marriages with a female breadwinner are more likely to end in divorce; women don’t like it and neither do the men (you have your own experience which serves as an exhibit). Again, not everything is at he conscious level. But stats don’t lie.

    No judgment. Hypergamy just is.

    And yes, when Rollo refers to the “sisterhood uber alles” he is referring to the in group preference women have for each other – FIVE TIMES stronger than it is for men. Think about that.

  57. O.B.I.T.
    Lawrence Talbot, as played by Lon Chaney Jr. in the 1940s Wolfman flicks

    Right in the middle of the Hollywood Code years, so of course tame. The Code was adopted in 1934 if I remember right and didn’t fade until the end of the studio era in the 1960’s.

    Pre-Code cartoons and movies made before 1934 show not just more skin, but more accurate Red Pill truth.

    Hah. Perhaps you partly answered my question from the first comment.

  58. “…. this pain is more likely even more pronounced for you, as so many black males are lost and adrift….”

    … gotta find a few minutes.

  59. “The Code was adopted in 1934 if I remember right . . .”

    Maureen O’Sullivan believed the commission was formed just to ban this scene:

  60. kfg
    Maureen O’Sullivan believed the commission was formed just to ban this scene:

    She was probably right. Although there were others..

  61. Don’t forget Mae West!

    Highlights of the code I believe included a rule that in any man-woman scene, at least two of the four feet had to be firmly on the floor. And that evildoers had to be punished — you could never have an ending where the bad guy got away.

    Still there were a few 40s flicks — Double Indemnity, Three Strangers — where women were bad bad trouble. Ingrid Bergman is an interesting pivot point in Casablanca and check out the triangle — Bette Davis, Claude Rains and Paul Henreid (again!) in Deception.

  62. 1) But to get back to the present, and @Ugh, it simply seems a woman who is affuent and accomplished would be just as likely to hypergamize, if not more. The guy’s paycheck might not be as big a factor but why wouldn’t she keep pushing for the best total package she can get? Uneasy should rest the head of her current mate.

    2) In vitro cuckilization … a black market for positive pregnancy test results … throw in a murder or two and we’ve got the makings of a Bones episode. Working title: Sperm of the Moment

  63. ” . . . it simply seems a woman who is affuent and accomplished would be just as likely to hypergamize . . .”

    They are the ones who can securely declare open hypergamy. See Sheryl Sandberg.

    Ugh is presenting herself as openly hypergamous, and thus a unicorn.

  64. @ Ugh

    Finally got some time. Let’s do this.

    Oh come on! I’m a woman who discovered the MGTOW/Red Pill sphere some time back and actually agree with quite a bit of it. I do think there are scripts women are consciously and subconsciously encouraged to follow, and I think many of those scripts are ultimately self-defeating. I think ‘social media feminism’ is confused, at best. But articles like this are exhausting.

    You are speaking about some kind of a feminine collective that encompasses all cultures and races. Dude, you cannot make that kind of proclamation based on some newspaper clippings and Youtube videos. That’s just bad research — really, really bad.

    There is a big gaping hole in this whole Red Pill philosophy that I’ve yet to see addressed, and it is this — female breadwinners/women who *can’t* be hypergamous because they earn too much.

    Hypergamy isn’t all about money. The idea is that woman have an innate drive to look for the ” better deal “. That better deal might be defined in a few different ways, and women are prone to exercise these things in varying degrees depending on their particular situation.

    Let’s say for instance that a woman is teh breadwinner in a relationship or in a family setting. This won’t be an acceptable arrangement for too long with most men or women. Time. Time is a mutha. Time reveals all. If the breadwinning womans happens across a uber-breadwinning man, she might just have a few thoughts. The more unsatisfied she is with her current arrangement, the more likely she will act on these thoughts.

    Yet, satisfaction is not most women’s strong suit. At least not from my observations over a half century of being pretty astute and woke. I can’t/don’t site studies or data, I know what I have experienced and observed. Rollo puts the observations into much better perspective and in more detail.

    You talk about hypergamy spanning cultures, well let’s talk about it.

    I’m a Caribbean-American woman and at this point I am the second generation of women in my family who out-earned their husbands. And I am not a “unicorn” this is a PATTERN in black American culture. A significant percentage of black women have been out-earning their black male partners for some time now. Yes, yes there are the women who try to snag NBA/NFL players and trap them, but that does not represent a statistically meaningful percentage of black women who marry/partner up.

    https://thegrio.com/2013/06/14/african-american-women-coping-well-in-new-age-of-breadwinner-moms-in-which-40-percent-of-women-out-earn-spouses/

    If a black woman wants a black male partner, there is a pretty good chance that she will have to marry down socioeconomically.

    Ahh yas. Let’s chop this up right here –

    Many Black women have been out earning their partners for some time – and for the most part, ” some time ” has been over the last 40 or so years, after the Civil Rights movements and various Equal Opportunity acts. Not to mention various education initiatives and the like.

    What the ” data ” has shown consistently is that all of those ” rights ” fights have mainly benefitted 1) White women, and 2) Black women – in that order.

    I’m talking raw numbers over a few decades.

    It’s been a trope in the black community for a very long time – The successful black woman that can’t find her ” equal ” in the black man. There’s been books written and movies made on the subject since the 80’s. The sphere is never going to be able to give you full answers on this subject.

    I’ve stated here many times that the black community serves as the canary in the coalmine regarding trends that will become dominant. Society catches a cold, we develop pneumonia.

    Personally I have never dated or married any woman ( save for 1 that earned 10’s of millions ransacking pension funds and dismantling corporations for fun and profit ) that earned more than I did. My father out earned my mother as well. Yet my sisters, save for one, all massively outearned their mates.

    Both sisters have 1 divorce under their belt. The other sister is still happily married in a very ” traditional ( Muslim )” marriage with a bunch of children.

    There’s a good reason why that is. If you ever met my muslim brother in law, you’d immediately know why – but for most ” American-Christian-modern ” women, nah, they ain’t having it because he is fully in charge of his family and their destiny, and I continuously take my hat off to him.

    I kept that advice when I married and, as a small business owner, out-earned my husband for the duration of our short marriage. And incidentally it was, in large part, his inability to deal with a high earning wife that accounted for the end of our union.

    Do you understand how a real man might have a harder time dealing with this scenario?

    My ex wife went from working in a car dealership when we were dating , to having a highly paid corporate position ( still didn’t outearn me..lol ) and after our divorce, she started her own business and made even more cash. She’s still single btw. There have been a few ” guys ” but they can’t hang. There’s one that still hangs around more often ( showing up in facebook pics and such, in the background, lol ), but she confided in me a long time ago that ” men ” aren’t what they should be .

    There are reason’s for that as well.

    Men kinda dropping out and not trying and not seeing the point is becoming more widespread now, but in the black community we’ve been seeing this since the 80’s, and it only gets progressively worse.

    But it’s ” us “.

    I’ll tell you something and I’m not whining or crying or complaining. Too old for any of that shit.

    For most of my life I have had to run twice as fast to get half as far. I have had to fight for the simplest things. The only reason I didn’t give up and take it easier is because I’m 1) stubborn 2) LOVE A GOOD FIGHT NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES, 3) I like to solve shit.

    … not so much now because I’m getting tired after 30+ years of trying to earn and progress.

    But real talk? I understand why most men, regardless of community or race would not do half of the shit I’ve had to do to just earn a living and progress. I can’t down other cats because everybody ain’t cut out for this shit.

    Popular wisdom says ” anyone can do anything if they just work hard “. Lmfao – bullshit mostly. A man must know tha rules of the Game he’s playing and either outsmart the system or….kinda hang back and get what you can.

    Fighting it is hard. The ” systems ” are strong and built on granite foundations. Nobody is going to help. No one is going to look kindly upon your hard work. A man has to develop a 6 inch thick hide.

    And your woman will never understand. Women aren’t supposed to understand these things. Hell, most guys going through hell don’t really understand these things.

    I am a single mom (the group you LOVE to deride) and 33 years old (supposedly I’ve ‘hit the wall’) and I have NO PROBLEM dating. I am financially independent and thus have not squeezed my ex husband for child support. He has liberal visitation/overnights with his children.

    And this is often what happens when women have access to TRUE power and TRUE independence — they no longer see the need for a hypergamous script. And that’s when all of your “science” hits a wall. According to the many MANY articles of yours I’ve read on this site I should be a cat lady, trying to trap a man and weeping about my lost opportunity for partnership.

    Okay good for you. Iooking for a cookie to send you right now.

    Pro Tip – That ” Power ” you refer to? it’s not real. I mean, it’s real in the sense that it ” works ” for you, but in reality, it’s like being World Monopoly Champion. You still get a trophy and shit, but it’s still just a game at the end of the day with Fake Money.

    But I congratulate you on not doing the child support thing. ” The State ” has women’s back’s 100% in these matters so you could have easily made a point. ( hint: The State ,That’s ” Power “)

    Instead I helm a successful beauty startup, co-parent with my ex-husband and have an active dating and social life. I would love to marry again, but because I don’t need to marry a man for kids or money I have the ability to focus on things like compatibility and companionship.

    No you didn’t just play the ” Don’t need no man ” card!

    I hear feminism. And the problem is that 99% of the women who disown feminism still wind up playing by feminism’s playbook. Strong, Independent Women.

    But men don’t want that and never have ( and probably never will ).

    I understand what you are saying about compatibility and companionship, but unless you encounter a man that has his own – more than you do – no matter what you will not be satisfied. Hence Hypergamy. As much as you refuse to recognize it, hypergamy never sleeps unless it is quenched. Tommy the Tool salesman probably can’t swing those Caribbean vacations too easily, but it doesn’t help things when a woman foots the bill – and if he doesn’t mind that at all, the compatibility portion now comes under heavy scrutiny and hypergamy will be warming up in the bull pen.

    Batter Up!

    You may call me a unicorn, but I represent a growing percentage of women. As you note, women are making up a larger and larger share of college graduates and this is impacting the professional market in a big way. The number of woman entrepreneurs is skyrocketing and although statistically men still have a vast share of earning and professional power in this country, it is slowly but surely heading in a more equitable direction.

    And do you think this is a good thing? Equitable? Equals?

    Call me a caveman or whatever, but I’m not ” The Equal ” of any women I’m dealing with on any level because I Am A Man, and men and women are not the same… or else we should all just become LGBT or something.

    This is why I hear consistently from women ” there’s something different about you..”. Yes, I am a man and that difference you feel is the gravitational pull of my balls. Lol.

    Naw, shit is increasingly turning upside down and equitable will only exacerbate the problems.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/female-breadwinners-marriage_us_5b3ef51fe4b09e4a8b2b780c

    I don’t read Cuckpost… lol

    You talk about evolution all the time, but you seem to ignore how society around you is evolving.

    one of the main topics here is the way society is evolving and why.

    Listen, I’m ” Old School ” and people tell me all the time ( under 30 crowd ) that I’m anachronistic. But all of that evolution doesn’t fuck with me and upset my apple cart.

    Like I said before, I have to fight. Nothing new.

    But many men are saying ” fuck it, I give up “.

    This is the power of The State colluding with ” evolved ” sensibilities.

    Good thing I’m closer to the end than the beginning.

  65. Blax

    But I congratulate you on not doing the child support thing.

    She didn’t squeeze because there weren’t to be Squoze. That’s the whole premise of the divorce. Putting aside Teh Beta and “liberating” that vaj…

  66. I’ve stated here many times that the black community serves as the canary in the coalmine regarding trends that will become dominant. Society catches a cold, we develop pneumonia.

    Only if the trend primarily affects the lower classes. Of course, to the media, the white lower class is invisible, so you’ll never see them used as a canary. One exception–opioid deaths in Hicksville, WV.

    Otoh, if the trend primarily affects the upper classes, then whites will be the canary. Example: the U.S. white birthrate was below the population replacement rate and the white population went into decline (which is still occurring). This happened to whites about a decade before it hit the black population. Women going to college–whites went first, then blacks and hispanics. Put off having kids then had trouble having kids because old and hard-used vag’s.

    Be really woke, not half-assed woke.

    Pro-tip: society evolving ain’t biological evolution.

  67. B.B. King had it right

    Don’t ever trust a woman
    Until she’s dead and buried
    Yes don’t ever trust a woman
    Until she’s dead and buried
    One day she’ll say that she loves you
    And the next day she’ll throw you in the street
    She’ll smother you with kisses
    When her birthday comes around
    But as soon as she gets her presents
    She’ll down talk you all over over town
    No don’t ever trust a woman
    Until she’s dead and buried
    One day she’ll say that she loves you
    And the next day she’ll throw you in the street
    She’ll beg you for clothes and diamonds
    Until you’re all in hock
    And then you’ll come home one mornin’
    And your key won’t fit the lock
    Don’t ever trust a woman
    Until she’s dead and buried
    Well, one day she’ll say that she loves you
    The next day she’ll throw you in the street
    She’ll call you every mornin’
    Every mornin’ noon and night
    She’ll call you in between times
    Just to see if you’re doin’ alright
    She’ll ask to borrow five
    And then she’ll beg for ten
    And baby that five and ten
    You won’t ever see again!
    Man don’t ever trust a woman
    Until she’s dead and buried
    One day she’ll say that she loves you
    And the next day she’ll throw you in the street

  68. ” One exception–opioid deaths in Hicksville, WV.”

    Facepalm.

    You realize there was a drug epidemic/problem waaayyy before the ” opiod ” problem.

  69. “Popular wisdom says ” anyone can do anything if they just work hard “. Lmfao – bullshit mostly. A man must know tha rules of the Game he’s playing and either outsmart the system or….kinda hang back and get what you can.”

    Yes. That’s what’s frustrating about some of the Red Pill community. If life is a Game. Don’t you think it would be best played as a Game?

    “Good thing I’m closer to the end than the beginning.”

    Chapter Four

    DEATH

    Death has two kinds of significance for the Stoics. First it may be considered an external. It is out of our control; we can accelerate death and sometimes delay it, but its eventual arrival is not up to us. It is also the most frightening prospect the mind confronts. An external that is frightening makes a natural topic for Stoic analysis, so death gets their attention at length. Stoics consider death hard to see accurately, and they find the usual attitude toward it irrational; what death is like is unknown to anyone, but it appears to be a painless state that leaves us no worse off than we were before we were born. They also view death as similar to other changes that are familiar to all, and as a continuous process rather than a sudden one: we die every day as our time on earth passes behind us. They make various other arguments as well to drain the terror from mortality. Overcoming the fear of death is considered by the Stoics to be one of the most important of all philosophical achievements, and the gain of an important liberty.

    But Stoicism treats death as more than just an external that needs to be laid bare. It is also a source of perspective and inspiration – a valuable aid, not just something to which we overreact. Mortality is the defining feature of our existence; Stoics want the imminence of it to inform their daily lives. The fact that we will soon be gone can induce some of the same changes in mindset as the perspectives considered in the previous chapter. Meditation on death is thus used by the Stoic to stimulate humility, fearlessness, moderation, and other virtues.–Ward Farnsworth in The Practicing Stoic: A Philosophical User’s Manual

    Close your eyes Rugby:

    Life is hard. Dying is easy.

  70. “Pro-tip: society evolving ain’t biological evolution.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiens:_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind

    Summary

    Harari’s work situates its account of human history within a framework provided by the natural sciences, particularly evolutionary biology: he sees biology as setting the limits of possibility for human activity, and sees culture as shaping what happens within those bounds. The academic discipline of history is the account of cultural change.

    Harari surveys the history of humankind from the evolution of archaic human species in the Stone Age up to the twenty-first century, focusing on our own species of human, Homo sapiens. He divides the history of Sapiens into four major parts:[4]

    The Cognitive Revolution (c. 70,000 BC, when Sapiens evolved imagination).
    The Agricultural Revolution (c. 10,000 BC, the development of agriculture).
    The unification of humankind (the gradual consolidation of human political organisations towards one global empire).
    The Scientific Revolution (c. 1500 AD, the emergence of objective science).

    Harari’s main argument is that Sapiens came to dominate the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. He argues that prehistoric Sapiens were a key cause of the extinction of other human species such as the Neanderthals, along with numerous other megafauna. He further argues that the ability of Sapiens to cooperate in large numbers arises from its unique capacity to believe in things existing purely in the imagination, such as gods, nations, money and human rights. Harari claims that all large-scale human cooperation systems – including religions, political structures, trade networks and legal institutions – owe their emergence to Sapiens’ distinctive cognitive capacity for fiction.[5] Accordingly, Harari reads money as a system of mutual trust and sees political and economic systems as more or less identical with religions.

    Harari’s key claim regarding the Agricultural Revolution is that while it promoted population growth for Sapiens and co-evolving species like wheat and cows, it made the lives of most individuals (and animals) worse than they had been when Sapiens were mostly hunter-gatherers, since their diet and daily lives became significantly less varied. Humans’ violent treatment of other animals is indeed a theme that runs throughout the book.

    In discussing the unification of humankind, Harari argues that over its history, the trend for Sapiens has increasingly been towards political and economic interdependence. For centuries, the majority of humans have lived in empires, and capitalist globalization is effectively producing one, global empire. Harari argues that money, empires and universal religions are the principal drivers of this process.

    Harari sees the Scientific Revolution as founded in an innovation in European thought, whereby elites became willing to admit to and hence to try and remedy their ignorance. He sees this as one driver of early modern European imperialism and of the current convergence of human cultures. Harari also emphasises the lack of research into the history of happiness, positing that people today are not significantly happier than in past eras.[6] He concludes by considering how modern technology may soon end the species as we know it, as it ushers in genetic engineering, immortality and non-organic life. Humans have, in Harari’s chosen metaphor, become gods: they can create species.

    Harari cites Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs, and Steel (1997) as one of the greatest inspirations for the book by showing that it was possible to “ask very big questions and answer them scientifically”.[7]

    Humans shouldn’t become gods. It’s unbecoming of them.

    Says Augustine of Hippo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

    “Augustine is the patron saint of brewers, printers, theologians, the alleviation of sore eyes….”

    “I recall how miserable I was, and how one day you brought me to a realization of my miserable state. I was preparing to deliver a eulogy upon the emperor in which I would tell plenty of lies with the object of winning favor with the well-informed by my lying; so my heart was panting with anxiety and seething with feverish, corruptive thoughts. As I passed through a certain district in Milan I noticed a poor beggar, drunk, as I believe, and making merry. I groaned and pointed out to the friends who were with me how many hardships our idiotic enterprises entailed. Goaded by greed, I was dragging my load of unhappiness along, and feeling it all the heavier for being dragged. Yet while all our efforts were directed solely to the attainment of unclouded joy, it appeared that this beggar had already beaten us to the goal, a goal which we would perhaps never reach ourselves. With the help of the few paltry coins he had collected by begging this man was enjoying the temporal happiness for which I strove by so bitter, devious and roundabout a contrivance. His joy was no true joy, to be sure, but what I was seeking in my ambition was a joy far more unreal; and he was undeniably happy while I was full of foreboding; he was carefree, I apprehensive. If anyone had questioned me as to whether I would rather be exhilarated or afraid, I would of course have replied, “Exhilarated”; but if the questioner had pressed me further, asking whether I preferred to be like the beggar, or to be as I was then, I would have chosen to be myself, laden with anxieties and fears. Surely that would have been no right choice, but a perverse one? I could not have preferred my condition to his on the grounds that I was better educated, because that fact was not for me a source of joy but only the means by which I sought to curry favor with human beings: I was not aiming to teach them but only to win their favor.”
    ― Augustine of Hippo, Confessions

    One would say, in making yourself into a mini-god, or your own god, one of the problems with that is that you sacrifice Pure Intention, moving forward. It’s not strictly religious. It is praxeological. Pure Intention.

    Pure intention, not fake intention. is a thing to do.

    Did someone mention The Platinum Rule? Without a cock-blocker moving towards your goals?

  71. sees culture as shaping what happens within those bounds.

    Yeah, because culture never opposes biology…women go to college…put off having kids…population declines.

    it made the lives of most individuals (and animals) worse than they had been when Sapiens were mostly hunter-gatherers

    Yeah, back in the Age of Fantasy.

    Harari is a fool.

  72. You realize there was a drug epidemic/problem waaayyy before the ” opiod ” problem.

    Was I wrong in thinking that the opioid problem was less of a problem in the black community?

    There’s a common narrative told about America’s current opioid epidemic: It is, unlike many of the drug overdose crises of the past, predominantly a white epidemic.

    The newest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, complicates that story.

    White people still suffer a greater rate of overdose deaths, and, as a majority of the population, they still make up much more of the raw total of overdose deaths.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/22/16808490/opioid-epidemic-black-white

    Yeah, it’s increasing in the black population, but poor whites are the canary in this case.

  73. R-E-S-P-E-C-T

    The song, “Respect”, was bad enough when it was a beta provider’s plea written and sung by Otis Redding. It’s one of many songs that become unlistenable after becoming red pill aware.

    When it became a shrill feminist demand by Aretha Franklin, it justifies shutting off the noise by any means necessary.

    It reminds me of the idiotic chanting at protest rallies that goes:

    “Hey hey, ho ho, blah blah, blah, has got to go…”

    R-E-S-P-E-C-T
    Find out what it means to me
    R-E-S-P-E-C-T
    Take care… T-C-B

    Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me
    sock it to me, sock it to me)
    A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me
    sock it to me, sock it to me)
    Whoa, yeah (just a little bit)
    A little respect (just a little bit)
    I get tired (just a little bit)
    I keep on tryin’ (just a little bit)
    You’re runnin’ out of fools (just a little bit)
    And I ain’t lyin’ (just a little bit)
    (re, re, re, re) Respect when you come home
    (re, re, re, re)
    Or you just might walk in (respect, just a little bit)
    And find out I’m gone (just a little bit)

    It’s not surprising that women feminists believe that they are automatically owed respect.

    One thing I found interesting after Aretha Franklin’s death, was National Public Radio’s use of “Respect” for the first part of her obituary, but ending with “I Say a Little Prayer”—which anyone alive in the 60s knows is the signature song of Dionne Warwick. Even the FI-centric, lying media exemplar, NPR, knew that they should somehow soften the obituary with a feminine woman point-of-view song. Even so, Franklin’s version lacks the feminine charm of Warwick’s.

  74. @Lord of the Flies

    She is looking for that ellusive Alpha unicorn! lol
    Actually there are couples where the woman earns more than the man and somehow it works coz he tingles other aspects of her hypergamy, either by being high SMV man or by raising the pimp hand.

    @Craig

    There are no blue pill women! Female love towards men is opportunistic and parasitic. It’s a subconcious survival instict she has inherited from the past. Even if externally she might seem to aspire to some notion of idealistic love towards a man, she also utilises the blue pill in opportunistic fashion and as soon as some better prospect appears in the horizon she will throw those ideals in the trash bin.

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