When I was studying behavioral psychology there was a point when I came across this phenomenon called the Endowment Effect. A friend showed me this video recently and it reminded me of when I’d studied it.
It’s really fascinating how early our sense of ownership develops. There is a school of thought (one I happen to agree with) that this need for ownership is an innate part of out psychological firmware – it’s something we’re born with. We value things more highly once we believe we own something. It makes perfect sense that this would a selected-for part of our evolution. Individuals that possessed this Endowment Effect, theoretically, might have been more adaptable to their surroundings by having something on hand that would aid in their survival at the cost of a competitor. For early man this was likely to be physical tools, but this Endowment Effect would also extend to our progeny and long-term female partners – more on this later.
By extension, our belongings literally become a part of us. This is observable even on a neurological level. Furthermore, our belongings have an essence that becomes unique to us. In other words, we wont settle for (even exact) imitations of our stuff even when they are exact duplicates.
As you might expect from a TED video, the bias towards making this ownership dynamic one of being a bug, rather of a feature, of human development is evident. The new-agey narrative goes like this – if we’re ever to reach the utopian state of egalitarian equalism the Village would have us believe in, we need to somehow unlearn this innate Endowment Effect we evolved to hold. This anti-materialist sentiment is part of a larger socialist/collectivist message that seeks to disempower us by convincing us that this connection to our things is innately bad. Issues of socialism, communism, collectivism, capitalism, etc. are beyond the scope of this blog, but it’s important to consider the drive behind this ‘anti-materialism’ push and how it affects our sense of ownership in intersexual dynamics.
I think it’s interesting that we have a part of our psyches that evolved for ownership; a part of our nature that is decidedly unegalitarian.
If you’re ever read Dawkin’s book, The Selfish Gene, you kind of get a clearer picture of it. Selfish, self-concerned, organisms tend to survive better than overly altruistic or egalitarian ones. Now before you tell me, “On no Rollo, Bonobos are the peacenik, free loving hippy example of egalitarianism in the wild” have a read of The Naked Bonobo and you’ll understand how deliberately false that impression is. If anything Bonobos are far better examples of the more visceral side of Hypergamy in humans. Self-interest is the driver of a great many survival instincts and adaptations in all animals.
Getting back to humans here, combine that evolved, adaptive, selfishness with a hindbrain level, intrinsic sense for ownership – one in which we feel as if it has a direct connection to ourselves – and you can see what social constructivists and equalitarians are trying to undo in humans. If you watch today’s video you’ll better understand this deep connection we have with the things we, selfishly, consider our own. There is a neurological connection between our sense of self and our things.
I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in our belief systems many times throughout my past essays. Briefly, ego-investment is phenomenon of being so intrinsically connected with our beliefs and ideologies that they become part of our personalities. So, to attack the belief is to, literally, attack the person. In a similar fashion the connections we apply to our things also become (to varying degrees) part of who we are. In essence we invest our egos into the things we consider ours – and the greater the effort, cost or the applied significance involved in getting those things the greater the injury is to the self when they are lost, destroyed, damaged or stolen.
In the video there is also a mention of how original items are more valued than an exact copy of those items. Again, this is part of the evolutionary side of humans investing their egos into those things. There is a limbic level need to know that these items are our things because only those things somehow contain the essence of us. Also in the video it’s postulated that the higher price of common items owned by celebrities we admire are a cost we’re willing to pay because we believe part of that celebrity’s essence is somehow contained in that item.
Why is it that we evolved to place such importance in knowing that some thing is ours, and only that thing is ours? Why do we, sometimes obsessively, need to imbue that thing with the essence of us? Why is this (apparently) part of our evolved mental firmware?
The Need to Know
I’m going to speculate here a bit. I think a strong argument can be made for men’s intrinsic need to verify his own paternity being linked to the Endowment Effect. In fact, I’d suggest that this ownership need can extend to not only a man’s children, but also to the women (even potential women) in his life. This isn’t to say women didn’t also evolve this sense – women display the Endowment Effect as much as men – but I’m going to approach this from the male side for the moment.
The video refers to this compulsive need to verify the authenticity of a thing as ‘magical thinking’, but is it really so magical? I think the writer and researcher would have us think this dynamic is silly because it’s ‘just a thing’ right? We shouldn’t place such a high degree of importance on a bicycle or an old guitar. That’s just vulgar materialism, right? Granted, some things, heirlooms maybe, can have sentimental value, but ultimately even those might well be replaceable too. It shouldn’t be so important to know something is magically your own.
Unless the thing that’s your own is your only shot at passing something of yourself into the future.
The butter knife that Elvis used to spread peanut butter on his peanut butter and banana sandwiches could be anything you can find at Walmart, but if his ‘essence‘ was in someway invested in that knife (and anyone cared to know about it) that part of Elvis might go on into perpetuity. That seems like childish magical thinking until you realize that the only part of the average person’s essence that might actually do this is their children. And until just recently, evolutionarily speaking, there wasn’t any completely dependable way to know if a man was 100% invested in his own ‘things’ – his progeny. His kids would carry on his essence, so in our evolved past it made sense to be obsessive-compulsive about the things that we’re one’s own.
As I stated, women also exhibit this effect as well, and I’d argue for much of the same reasons. Though, in none of the research related in this video was this Endowment Effect controlled for by sex – at least none that I’m aware of. Again, this is conjecture, but I would think that with the intrinsic certainty a woman has in knowing a child is her own, and the collectivist communal nature of women in hunter-gatherer society from which we developed, it might be that women place a higher ‘endowed’ value on different things than men do. I think this effect may be more pronounced in an era where women are almost unilaterally in control of Hypergamy.
I recently saw a video of a fertility doctor who had either used his own sperm to fertilize women’s eggs, or completely random samples to father about 40 children. The women, the children (mostly female) were absolutely aghast that he was their father or some donor who they would never know had contributed to half their DNA. The idea that the selection and control of Hypergamy was taken from them was worthy of the death penalty. Yet this is exactly the control we expect men to relinquish in this age. We will pat men on the back for abandoning their evolved instinct to ascertain paternity. We’ll tell a man he’s a hero for wifing up a single mother and “stepping up to be a father” to a child he didn’t sire and at the same time pretend that father’s are superfluous. We’ll change ‘Father’s Day’ to ‘Special Person’s Day’ and tell men they’re insecure in their masculinity for preferring a son or daughter of his own – but try to remove that control from a woman, try to tell her that Hypergamous choice wasn’t hers to make and it’s tantamount to rape.
“She was never yours, it was just your turn.”
I think it was my fellow Red Man Group friend Donovan Sharpe who coined this phrase. I might be wrong. I’ve read this around the usual Red Pill Reddit subs and other manosphere forums, but it wasn’t until last month (July) when I read yet one more story about a husband whose wife was leaving him and was in the process of Zeroing him out when he decided to kill her, their three kids and then himself. You can read the Twitter reaction to this here:
Five more casualties of the Feminine Imperative:https://t.co/2wx04PIbPG
— Rollo Tomassi (@RationalMale) July 11, 2018
Naturally women were appalled at the deaths of the wife and kids, as they should be. Pre-divorce women will prep months in advance for their new singleness. Often they’ll check out of the marriage and live without any real connection to their, usually Beta, Blue Pill conditioned, husband who languishes in this Blue Pill hell for the duration it takes his wife to establish a new mental persona and finds a way to exit the marriage. She’s already gone from the marriage, but the typical Blue Pill husband believes that he is the source of her discontent and resorts to anything he can to ‘keep things fresh’ or ‘rekindle the old flame’ that a feminine-primary popular culture tells him should be his responsibility. Unfortunately, this guy’s situation is typical of middle aged men today, and I honestly believe is the source that drives suicides and murder-suicides in this demographic. This man was going to be Zeroed Out and he knew it was coming.
That’s when I thought, ‘Was this guy’s turn with her just over?’ Was it as simple as that? If you read this couple’s story there wasn’t a history of him losing his mind. If anything Matthew Edwards was a pretty dedicated and invested father. No history of depression, suicidal tendencies or abuse; just another average frustrated chump who built a life for himself likely based on his Blue Pill conditioning.
But his turn was over and he likely believed the soul-mate myth. How was he supposed to live with out her?
The fem-stream media offers up their standard pablum – “Misogynistic society teaches men that they’re entitled to women’s bodies. Men need to be taught that they don’t own women.” or something similar that goes entirely against a man’s evolved Endowment Effect. What exactly does a man get to think is his own if not his family? When a woman finds out that her Hypergamous choice was made for her by a fertility clinic doctor rather than herself they’re out for blood – again, rightfully so. Then why are we surprised that men, particularly men in Matthew Edwards demographic, resort to murder and suicide when faced with losing everything they’ve invested themselves in.
Now this week we see another, almost identical, tragedy in Colorado this week.
I hate being right all the time.https://t.co/lparvfPOFI
— Rollo Tomassi (@RationalMale) August 16, 2018
And once again we have what looks like another guy being Zeroed out and another quadruple homicide. How man more of these murder-suicides (or just murders in this case) is it going to take before we collectively see the commonalities in all of them?
I had a conversation with several women in the wake of this latest tragedy and every one of them couldn’t wrap their head around why the guy would kill his kids? They could understand why he might kill his wife – the assumption being her unborn child was sired by guy who wasn’t him – but not his kids. I think this is interesting in the light of how men and women approach paternity/maternity and the Endowment Effect. The best answer I could come up with is that a man doesn’t want that part of him to go on into the future without him. The idea that his kids bear some of his essence and he would rather erase that essence entirely than live or kill himself with the knowledge that his children wouldn’t have him in their lives. Killing a wife might be the result of an uncontrolled rage, but killing your kids takes premeditation – there has to be some point to the act, some reasoning (corrupted as it may be) that made sense to him.
The Strategic Pluralism Theory is from a research study by Dr. Martie Haselton:
According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.
From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits. Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues. Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000).
The commonalities in every one of these murder-suicides is a Blue Pill conditioned, Beta husband who by all indications was playing by the First Set of Books. By all indications these men would fit into the second type of man mention in Strategic Pluralism Theory – they did everything right, they played by the rules, they did their best to invest themselves in their mates and offspring and likely believed they’d earned some Relational Equity from it. But then, their turn was over with their wives. For whatever reason they were faced with a complete loss, a Zeroing Out, of everything they believed they owned. The things they invested so much of their lives in, the things they worked so hard for, the things that retained his ‘essence’, the things they invested their egos in were all being taken away from them. When faced with such a reality men tend to look at only two options; remake and rebuild what they had in the knowledge that this too might be taken from them, or they can simply erase all themselves and all the ‘things’ they were attached too.
She might still get back to you.
If she doesn’t, there’s no need for regret — nothing was really going on so you didn’t blow it.
If she does, how would you play it? You’ve thought that through, right?
“Something you did made me unhappy and now I dont want your penis inside me”
My best laugh of the day — but we’re getting to the point where people (and sad to say not just women) really do talk like this.
Neat twitter feed, retweeted by Rollo… https://twitter.com/StkOptionCoach/status/1030529771334119424 https://twitter.com/ZenProverbs/status/1028864520217919489 I was lifting last month at the gym and River of Deceit by Mad Season came on. “River Of Deceit” What the song lyrics mean to me…. collected from song meanings.com… (not my interpretations of the song, but well said….) My pain is self-chosen, at least so The Prophet says I could either burn or cut off my pride and buy some time A head full of lies is the weight, tied to my waist The River of Deceit pulls down, oh The only direction we flow is down Down, oh down,… Read more »
Christopher Watts was caught up in the matrix. The old set of books. Negotiated desire.
Youtube video of him lecturing on relationship game.
Unrequitted love gave way to hostility and resentment.
Whats your plan at the moment for being the coolest version of yourself and going back into the world?
Men as Success Objects and Women as Sex Objects:
A Study of Personal Advertisements
Ownership and Dedt and toy’s and childhood
Objects, decision considerations and self-image in men’s and women’s impulse purchases
Looking over Rollo’s Twitter feed was interesting and even fun.
One man pointed this out:
Everyone who is in high school was born after the Matrix was made.
Yep. It’s that old. So are “inside the Matrix” references…
@rugby My plan is to just go with the flow at this point. I ebb and flow and right now at this moment I am just…tired. I’m not devastated so much as disappointed. It’s not like I’m going to shut myself off from the world. Like I said earlier, this is the first girl I have met that I didn’t end up sleeping with on the first date since my breakup. I never used to have anxiety about anything and since that breakup I have been living in my own head for way too long and working myself up over… Read more »
@palmasailor Yup, know what I did wrong. Instead of just letting it go I’ve been letting it affect every aspect of my life for the past two days lol
Spot the Alpha!
As much as I can’t stand Affleck. Props.
Bonus points – “Babe – on the way hit Jack’s. I want some tacos and fries. Do you have any money? [snoooooooort!!!]”
lol @sentient, he will probably leave rehab with a gf he met while in there
About 10 years ago I was in a bar in my north Idaho home town (population 800) discussing current events when I heard an old timer say “you know the saying; ‘you don’t lose your girl, just your turn’.” I nearly fell off my stool.
And Jen will drive him home with her…
@ Waffles: “It bothers me how hard it is to find a genuine connection and that’s the real loss here.” Stop deluding yourself. There was no “genuine connection”. It was all in your head. There is no such thing as Metaphysical “Love” or “genuine connection”. It is all in the head of the person going through those emotions from a cocktail of hormones. If she was really into you, she wouldn’t mind even if you fucked another girl right in front of her. She pulled the plug on the first slip up. Agreed it was a big fuck up, women… Read more »
I know all that but guess it needed to be reinforced hard into my head. But yes, spot on, I am done “looking for a relationship”, needs to happen naturally. Not getting worked up about it anymore.
@Incubus, Waffle: my guess is it wasn’t just insecurity. I’m guessing the girl felt he was judging her… On top of the insecurity, he showed her clearly he didn’t “just get it”.
He bounced off the outer rim of the Secret Society.
No spoiling the fun.
He judged her as relationship material which spoiled the fun.
Three strikes. Probationary novice membership denied.
He bounced off the outer rim of the Secret Society.
Would that make him an orbiter if he continues to pursue her?
That would make him legitimately a stalker. That one is just done gone.
“That one is just done gone.”
i could have used that at 14 even in a blue pill state not picking up on behavior that borders obsession is going to really kick you in the ass in the current climate we live in.
Alpha posturing and Beta revenge… Not a good mindset to build a true self with.
marelius Would that make him an orbiter if he continues to pursue her? kfg That would make him legitimately a stalker. That one is just done gone. Yeppers. And speaking of stalkers… Dalrock has been analyzing his way through the “cult of Courtly Love” for months now, and he has gotten to the point of challenging the Traditional Conservative way of wooing. That is, “man pursues, woman chooses”. His challenge to TradCons is “point to examples in the Bible” and so far no one has come up with one. TradCons totally buy into the “climb any mountain, tote any bale”… Read more »
Three strikes. Probationary novice membership denied.
Condolences. I’ve been there. I once worked my way up to recognized novice at one point and ended up demoted two levels. That’s how effective my blue pill training was. Now I’m back. It’s a process. Don’t give up the ship as some famous navy guy once said.
Everyone who is in high school was born after the Matrix was made.
Caramba! For OMGs I hope this comes under the heading of better late than never.
About to go destroys some muscles..
I cant wait to read all the things you have yet to do and managing yourself around women.
Though this had some nice tidbits on pg7
@Waffles Yeah, i been there too, man. Most of us have. At least you’re going on dates and getting laid, so chicks obviously dig you. Keep spinning those plates and have fun! I’ve only had one bang since i split with my ex almost 12 months ago, though i do live pretty remotely with very little available talent around. And i did pedastalize her (the sex was explosive) going against all i’ve learnt here, failed a few shit tests and got dumped on my arse. So the best lessons are ones that burn, as we all know. A woman is… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyAp3ntyZ2I (Being outdoors)
Conversation starter’s… Death and lost icon’s
Never stop yourself from making mistakes just don’t make the same ones.
@FoX I’m getting to the point of almost giving up on women totally. The idea of having a relationship with one now i’m past 50 (how old are you?) seems almost inconceivable, but the loneliness is really starting to hollow me out. They just don’t seem interested anymore, yet i still look good, ride a bike and have good shit going on in my life. It’s hard to figure… Ahh man, so you’re just planning to drift like that through life for the next year or so until the move abroad happens (itself)? I hope you can see this is… Read more »
@ IRL Yeah, i do feel like i’m drifting a bit, that i’m in a self-imposed limbo. I do continue to make and drop quality new music weekly, tend my food garden, chop wood, ride my bike with the boys and stay relatively fit and healthy. And yes, i am tied to my property at the moment, but working towards changing this. So i am working towards “results”, as nebulous as those can seem sometimes, especially for a creative like myself. It’s just that i’m pretty much over doing all this alone. That wasn’t the plan when i shifted out… Read more »
” I didn’t realise that flirting / banter was actually doing that, but it is.”
Screening technique. Yareally had a bunch of posts on it. Think his archive is down again.
Warren Farrell / Fartherhood love family by being away from family. Farther’s play with kids having fun. Danger and play. Rough housing is where its at. Tackles and rescue’s from serious hurt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIrJcGNvws Children with dad’s are set later get to rest earlier. Moms manipulate better deals, Dad’s No extension in dead line. Consequences 15% with dads less likely to have adhd… Mom’s 30% postpone gratification. Muscle of focused attention. No option but to finish. Distraction by technology and social schooling. Routines in being a hero, Rejection that leads to porn… Dopamine and risk and sexual encounters. Withdraw and addiction’s… Read more »
David Horowitz, who is certainly right wing in the way the term is used colloquially these days, but is no way a clown, wingnut and most definitely not a Nazi, has been refused business by Mastercard/Visa for his political opinions.
AmEx and CitiCorp have begun restricting the ability of firearms dealers to process legal sales.
“Misogynistic society teaches men that they’re entitled to women’s bodies. Men need to be taught that they don’t own women.”
All the while, if they are #polite #serious and #mature men need continue cheerfully subscribing to the state-formed contract of marriage with woman — as it is now, as courte adjudications are now.
Any inconsistency, anyone?
Women are being turned into weapons of familial destruction and societal loosening, and it is hardly unplanned and just happening.
However, nobody should sign those contracts any more, just for starters.
Not so fast kfg
If the SPLC says he’s a baddun, he a baddun…
They’re coming Rollo!
@kfg Credit cards and services such as Patreon or Paypal could certainly be used as weapons in sexual politics as well — you won’t be able to buy anything that is seen as increasing the world’s supply of toxic masculinity. Firearms are already seen by many in this light. Speaking of toxic masculinity, that’s what a female CNN pundit blamed for Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts’ murder. So we’re all at fault, not just the killer. On that theme, keep an eye on the fallout from the Ohio State domestic abuse controversy. The FI’s thrust here seems aimed at spreading the… Read more »
I liked your humour and shit-test.
Point is, I’d never call myself a chick, while those are called chicks, and for good reason.
Even humour must be low-grade, and hypocrisy-plastered, and rationalization-hamster-friendly, if you want it to serve to further purposes.
” . . . the state-formed contract of marriage with woman — as it is now, as courte adjudications are now.”
This is incorrect in a small, but highly critical, way.
The contract is enforced as it is at the time of adjudication. The contract can be modified at virtually any time without your (or your spouse’s) consent.
You can agree to the terms of one contract, but be prosecuted for the terms of a contradictory one, as if they were the terms you actually agreed to.
Man kills woman -toxic masculinity is to blame.
Woman kills man – toxic masculinity is to blame.
Don’t worry, be happy.
Human beings were never taught to love.
They were only taught to feel gratifying emotions, pertinent exclusively to the self, i.e to be self centered, egocentric. The infinite that governs the world is sublime and merciless, and there is no place for our imaginary concepts, no matter how pleasant they may seem to us. Don Juan Matus, sorcerer in the works of Carlos Castaneda
Just watched an excruciating foreign film about a tragic blue pill Beta called ‘Fado’ (2016). It’s worth watching to just never be that pathetic guy, in any shape or form…
While the pathetic effect is no doubt enhanced by the girl being a five, it tends to remove incentive to put up with all the banging my head on the coffee table watching it would entail.
Rugby, Farrell’s words are interesting and relevant, but rather than cut/pasting another man’s words in a wall-of-text comment, how about if you take just one key concept and explain it in your own words?
“It’s worth watching to just never be that pathetic guy, in any shape or form…” If you are into that kind of schadenfreude you can also watch Blue Valentine with Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams… To never be that guy in relationship game… https://therationalmale.com/2014/09/23/the-burden-of-performance/#comment-56119 Rollo Tomassi September 23, 2014 at 12:03 pm “I use this movie as an example often enough, but if you haven’t seen Blue Valentine I’d encourage every red pill aware man to check it out, and it should be required viewing for any blue pill guy who has any potential to unplug himself. This movie illustrates… Read more »
@Waffles Didn’t have time to read the entire thread, but you gotta quit thinking and reading. Live in the present. Don’t take RP to mean, if a bitch misbehaves you have to shut it down now, call her out , or decide to leave.. it just means pay attention. You had just met her and she only glanced once, make a note and move on. Don’t try to establish boundaries AT ALL, until she’s your bitch.. meaning you scored. Simple. Up front, whether you like the chick or not, you must keep HER guessing, whether YOU are available for commitment.… Read more »
“You say you’ve had 8 ONS in a year. Congrats those are good numbers. ”
“If you read this couple’s story there wasn’t a history of him losing his mind.” TPTB demand compliance and extraction of goods and services from it’s men, mostly. TPTB view children as property and at some point replacements for these men. Separation of children from familial ties is a critical government function. The government demands men to finance, raise healthy worker bees and must work until the government deems the individual as replaceable. Then and only then are allowed to leave. Example: Retirement fund tax deferrals/penalties for early withdrawal carrot-stick isn’t to increase wealth in retirement, though it’s sold that… Read more »
What I though was cool about was being a mentor without having a dad but being one anyway As a form of fake it till you make it. Burden of performance and self taught road to manliness. Confronting reality and learning how to play and have fun. https://www.indiewire.com/2018/08/jane-goodall-archival-footage-brett-morgen-color-correction-1201996956/
Sort of like being able to go back and see a photo album on film of all your progress in developing yourself as a male. The struggle and the moments you capture with a camera. Seems like today mistakes are exploited in this growth process.
Great post by Mr. Rollo Tomassi. In the end scheme of things like Sjr and others have said men must know how to *SAY NO* to women and people by their words and actions and don’t “lose their mental point of origin” on other people’s emotions. Men must internalize to accept the fact wives may divorce them and detach themselves emotionally from her actions always maintain a sense of self to keep living even when the wife takes away all her ex-husband’s substance. Don’t get attached to “stuff externally” because it can always be taken away by those you love… Read more »
If your shit gets taken by the “one’s you love”, you did nothing meaningful to prevent it. So much happens before that. It would be nice and insultingly simple if all you had to do to be alright was give yourself a pep talk. The video he’s showing is actually there in juxtaposition to the article that goes on to point out how its message is total bullshit. Give it another read, newcomer.
@ kfg Yes, i also immediately pegged her for a 5, a low 6 when she was smiling and wasn’t rocking the miserable hang dog face. She was pump & dump fuckable (nice, tidy body but an awful personality), but what is it with those bob haircuts on average looking girls? Yuk. She was just another average girl in a hungry Beta world, acting as a girl always will, the world revolving around her and her pussy, getting attention from hungry Betas. The Red Pill lens we all see through now also intensely highlights what a reprehensible wimp the guy… Read more »
” . . . nice, tidy body . . .”
OK, the issue is settled. You really need to get the hell out of the bush.
What’s beautiful to you?
Or is that different than hot?
“What’s beautiful to you?”
“Or is that different than hot?”
Yes, but Carrie-Anne Moss isn’t much of either.
We agree more what beauty is than what is not.
“Women, they really are just like teenage girls with cooties. All of the burden of performance is on us men…” When things are going well and you can practice your art of masculinity. V.S. When things are going badly. You get bitter on the feminine and revel in shitty movies. Exhibiting red pill truths. Beautiful women have Mother Nature Energy. Bitchy, Cruel Mother fuckers that only care about genes seeping through to eternity. But placid, fun, and energy giving it you give that bitch a chance. You can energize her and she can energize you. That is what the hell,… Read more »
Don’t fail to be masculine. Don’t allow her to not be feminine.
Masculine/feminine polarity is a driving force.
Don’t allow her masculinity. Game her into femininity.
“if we’re ever to reach the utopian state of egalitarian equalism the Village would have us believe in, we need to somehow unlearn this innate Endowment Effect we evolved to hold.” The game of chess mimics several key aspects of life. Every chess piece has a value save the King, whose worth is invaluable despite his practical limitations within the game. The other pieces are as follows: the Queen – 9 points, the Rook – 5 points, the Bishops and the Knights – 3 points, the pawns – 1 point. The assignment of these values dictates how we play the… Read more »
From your tweet
What’s that tranny doing to that boy?
Hello all, two things unrelated: looking for the ya really archives, and also need help providing comfort to a ONS last night to keep things smooth. I’ll be posting in FR as well, thanks
Ownership and letting go Moral victory requires choice and choice requires freedom https://bit.ly/2LopmDq Freedom of making your own choices. Breaking connection’s. False belief of good in secrecy and isolation and out of community of contact. Maybe never making it makes the Journey less about awareness of the self but more about what the self is not? Ego devouring the timeline of your story until it because a communal cancer of loss and despair. How do you love someone who dosn’t want to change? Use and old age… “A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region… Read more »
“Unfortunately, this guy’s situation is typical of middle aged men today, and I honestly believe is the source that drives suicides and murder-suicides in this demographic. This man was going to be Zeroed Out and he knew it was coming” Rollo’s written word, and yet there is still some critique undertone for the ever escalating MGTOW trend from him and his fellow ‘Red Man Group’ “Game her bro, frame Bro, Lift Bro, Be Alpha Bro, tickle her hypergammy Bro”……. still probably would not have prevented this horrific outcome such is the demands of the modern day English speaking western female,… Read more »
Though this was interesting an the marriage part.
Another film which explores the essential nature of a woman is ‘Ex Machina’.
@KFG Can I buy a clue as to what issue Stardusk is taking with Richard Cooper? Sorry for the following jumble of ideas and questions: Most men are clinical retards. they don’t know themselves or what they really want. I don’t understand post red pill malaise. I found myself in better health, psychological well being, equillibrium contentment, and cared less about material wealth. It gave me a wealth of knowledge (or I should say added more to already abundant knowledge) and personal respect for self. (Advocated for in MGTOW by Stardusk). Isn’t he just saying get through denial, anger, bargaining… Read more »
“Can I buy a clue as to what issue Stardusk is taking with Richard Cooper?” A MGTOW approach (as Stardusk sees it) vs. a more PUA oriented approach (as he believes Richard sees it). It’s more of a general reaction to general criticisms of MGTOW than it is about that particular bit really, so it does lack a bit of focus. “Is he calling Richard Cooper blue pill, bound up in conventional rhetoric of seeking monetary success?” To an extent, yes. “Is Stardusk advocating for being and unmotivated slacker.” No. He’s advocating for not mistaking the motivations of others as… Read more »
You could say that he is saying it’s OK (not advocating for) being a motivated slacker, which is a state that most people will not understand.
Got it. Thanks. “He’s advocating for not mistaking the motivations of others as your own. To not get caught running with herd just because that’s what the herd is doing.” “You could say that he is saying it’s OK (not advocating for) being a motivated slacker, which is a state that most people will not understand.” That concept was what what throwing me off. I’ve never done that, so I can’t relate to what he was saying. I’m 1% in Big Five Agreeableness. Can’t remember not being so. I used to suffer it silently. Then I voiced it. Now I… Read more »
@ SJF Yeah, i hear you bro. I’m actually an excellent natural player, and love teasing girls i like. In fact, i’ll often engage a woman in a bit of cheeky spontaneous banter, because i can’t help myself, and i love the bounce between masculine and feminine. Just the other day in the supermarket in my leathers on the way home from a bike ride a sexy married woman we all know was there. We’ve had a bit of history of flirting, but it’s never moved beyond that. Anyways, i say hi, she walks over to me and starts stroking… Read more »
Jesus, my wife just caught me sniveling over the death of Trad-con John McCain.
I didn’t agree with the guy politically , but but I thought his wife was well done. And his mom is still alive at 106.
Stoic guy. (Did I mention Stoicism is my new thing?)
Hey Fox I got a comment for your last comment. But wait for it.
Examining Family Homicides Involving Parents as Victims
Averi R. Fegadel, Kathleen M. Heide, First Published June 10, 2015
The Nature and Prevalence of Familicide in the United States, 2000–2009
Journal of Family Violence 28(4) · May 2013
Familicidal Hearts: The Emotional Styles of 211 Killers
“Unless the thing that’s your own is your only shot at passing something of yourself into the future.”
The OMGs are prisoners. They fell for the scam (values/morals). That’s why they shame guys wanting to bang the young hot 20 year old girls. Claiming all girls are the same. And if you think young girls are better than old girls, then you’re pedalizing
The truth is blatantly obvious via experience. Lies need explanations.
My take on this is that it can probably be correlated with the guys ego investment in the relational equity myth. If he has built his life up with the woman he is with, the more he is likely to do something tragic like this. We got our house, we are on diets, we etc thinking takes away the senses of identity to the point your identity is that of one with this woman. She literally becomes you. It’s fucking scary. On the contrast, if you have an established life, good job, own place and are truly independent then anyone… Read more »
February 16, 2018-now https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990 Shooters of the last thirty years 65/67 shooters had mental health issues 55/67 obtained weapons legally Location: 12/67 = School 20/67 = Workplace 3/67 = Religious 32/67 = Other Public Places Psychiatric Aspects of Familicide CARL P. MALMQUIST, M.D.· https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f67a/40c62da40a9bb89b54644dbc25a67f1b5bcf.pdf “Familicide is defined as the killing of the spouse or intimate partner, and at least one child, at the hand of the other spouse/partner. Incidents of familicide were collated from newspaper reports. We identified 90 cases, resulting in 207 deaths. On average, perpetrators were middle aged (M = 46.8; age ranging from 25 to 76), and… Read more »
I think these type of men who kill their own children along with the wife are the product of some extreme and perverted blue pill ego investment! Combine this type of mindset with the current post-feminism social environment and you have a lethal cocktail! Not long ago here in Greece a police man shot his wife, daughter and mother in law before shooting himself! Hypergamy is driving men insane! Let’s assume for a moment that ALL men somehow become red pill and alpha as fuck! Women will continue to mate with creme de la creme due to hypergamy! These alpha… Read more »
@ Silver Fox OK, I came up with a lecture, Rugby style, from a video I got from a red pill buddy recently. The issue was that I wasn’t pushing through that last 10% of masculine self-improvement. I don’t remember what I wasn’t getting done back then a month or two ago. But my buddies son actually came up with a video that was well worth my watching. The idea was that sometimes we self sabotage when we don’t actually have pure intention. When we cock-block ourselves by making ourselves our own little mini-Gods. We stop short. Don’t finish that… Read more »
What you to Donovan Sharpe and The Red Man Group: https://illimitablemen.com/2017/02/05/dominance-and-submission/ Quote: He Is To Mould, She Is To Be Moulded: Many of you are privy to the fact that women are more easily influenced by their nation’s culture, religion, family, and immediate surroundings than are men. Yes, men are likewise influenced by said things, my point was not to say they solely affect women, but rather that those of you who aren’t so brainwashed as the common people realise women are on the whole more easily influenced. What is the reasoning behind this? Well, I lack the requisite desire… Read more »
Was suppose to start: Hat tip to Donovan Sharpe…
It’s tough to lead oneself in isolation https://bit.ly/2PcUR5V SJF That was such a great read an the dynamics of respect to both genders. A harmony of behavior and experience. Not mean spirited hurt from either side but a reflection of how are culture and tribes interact with one another. A scared calling to the role as a father who leads with his whole being. Even with whatever the world throws in your direction you improvise. The surreal wonder of just being alive. Bold questions and patience maybe having more for the process than one self. Duty to self watching the… Read more »
What’s with all the exclamation points!!!
What’s with all the exclamation points!!!
I’ve noticed that girls like to use them!!! A lot!!! Even for no reason!!!!
Some people like to use lots of them to make a statement extra truthy. “It’s more truer because I punctuated like a girl!!!
From a girl in text I think that’s a possible textual IOI, in some situations.
you guys went fully anal-retentive with the exclamation points!!! lol
(The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), often abbreviated to anal, is used to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that it becomes an obsession and may be an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis.)
As online connections for money or at money https://bit.ly/2NgCpbM what happens when sex is work and work is sex and merging becomes more profitable with another name? They also own okcupid.
Freud’s dead. Make a note.
Make a note of wise dead men instead of exclamation points.
Freud wasn’t wise. Fortunately Freudianism is fading out.
This is my favorite example of the danger of becoming ego invested in your beliefs. Meanwhile Phoebe sees this in Ross, and uses it for her own sadistic amusement. It’s funny as hell but in a way that left me more than a little bit unsettled when I first saw it live many years ago. I knew there way a big lesson there but couldn’t put my finger on all of it then. Ego identifying with your beliefs or possessions is a trap.
Domestic estrangement and familicide: nothing is as it seems http://www.corinederuiter.eu/file.php?nr=226&code…time=1429545765 Familicide: The Killing of Spouse and Children https://www.martindaly.ca/uploads/2/3/7/0/23707972/wilson_daly_daniele_1995_familicide.pdf F am ilicide from a clinical-com m unity psychology perspective “Palmer and Humphrey (1980:115) report that, in the United States, white males over 30 years of age w ere m ore likely to be involved in interspousal homicide-suicide incidents, than in homicides alone. In England and Wales, a higher proportion of fem ales was involved in homicide-suicide cases, and they tended to kill th eir own children, rather than a spouse (West, 1966, in Palmer and Humphrey, 1980:117). Males over the age… Read more »
I was told by Rollo that some people who follow his blog and are active in the comment section hold positions at Match Group. He suggested I would leave a comment and see if any of them spot it and contact me. I’d like to discuss some issues pertaining to your algorithms. If any of you see this, please respond and let me know. Thanks.
Contrary to what you believe, modern cognitive neuroscience converges with many theories and speculations of Freud which means that the man was ahead of his time and got it mostly right than wrong.
” . . . modern cognitive neuroscience converges with many theories and speculations of Freud . . .”
Freud only had one theory, that the mind operated at three levels. However, the contemporary colloquial concepts of pop psychology – lizard brain, monkey brain and human/cognitive brain are far more accurately descriptive and useful than his id, ego and superego and all the nonsense he speculated about them.
The only other thing he did was be willing to talk about sex as a prime driver of human behavior at a time when the zeitgeist was all about our “higher” self.
Best one yet
Witnessing the pain of suffering: Exploring the relationship
between media representations,
public understandings and policy
responses to filicide-suicide
Homicide followed by Suicide. An empirical analysis
Men Who Murder Their Families:
What the Research Tells Us
by Bernie Auchter
Contrary to what you believe, modern cognitive neuroscience converges with many theories and speculations of Freud …
Auchter’s piece finally gets around to some of what Rollo is saying:
1) Anomic suicide — reacting not just to serious personal setbacks but to the helpless feeling that the entire rulebook has been changed on you
2) Overenmeshment — perpetrators view “their family members as possessions, or don’t see any boundaries between their identity, their wife and their children.” So they suicide the entire family.
It’s all cool to deflect the conversation elsewhere. It’s illuminating of your MPoO. Thank you. Stick around!!!!!
Say, I wonder what Freud had to say about using lots of exclamation points?
I bet it was rilly wise!!!!!!
My MPoO is using as many exclamation points as I please. Your MPoO is being an annoying and whiny anal-retentive grammar nazi.
Farther and sons and divorce hurting the bonding process
What Interrupts Suicide Attempts in Men: A Qualitative Study http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128180 “(i) Pathways to a suicide attempt. Although there were occasional references to an innate pull towards suicide, most participants reported an idiosyncratic path to suicide beset with adversity, distress and poor decision-making. Risk factors for male suicide. Nearly all male participants reported experiencing some or all of the following four factors in the development of suicidality: a period of depressed or disrupted mood unhelpful conceptions of masculinity consisting of stoic beliefs and values, which strongly influenced decision-making social isolation and use of other avoidant coping strategies at least one, but… Read more »
Within the field of psychology, common sense confirmed to a percentage point: