A Sense of Ownership

When I was studying behavioral psychology there was a point when I came across this phenomenon called the Endowment Effect. A friend showed me this video recently and it reminded me of when I’d studied it.

It’s really fascinating how early our sense of ownership develops. There is a school of thought (one I happen to agree with) that this need for ownership is an innate part of out psychological firmware – it’s something we’re born with. We value things more highly once we believe we own something. It makes perfect sense that this would a selected-for part of our evolution. Individuals that possessed this Endowment Effect, theoretically, might have been more adaptable to their surroundings by having something on hand that would aid in their survival at the cost of a competitor. For early man this was likely to be physical tools, but this Endowment Effect would also extend to our progeny and long-term female partners – more on this later.

By extension, our belongings literally become a part of us. This is observable even on a neurological level. Furthermore, our belongings have an essence that becomes unique to us. In other words, we wont settle for (even exact) imitations of our stuff even when they are exact duplicates.

As you might expect from a TED video, the bias towards making this ownership dynamic one of being a bug, rather of a feature, of human development is evident. The new-agey narrative goes like this – if we’re ever to reach the utopian state of egalitarian equalism the Village would have us believe in, we need to somehow unlearn this innate Endowment Effect we evolved to hold. This anti-materialist sentiment is part of a larger socialist/collectivist message that seeks to disempower us by convincing us that this connection to our things is innately bad. Issues of socialism, communism, collectivism, capitalism, etc. are beyond the scope of this blog, but it’s important to consider the drive behind this ‘anti-materialism’ push and how it affects our sense of ownership in intersexual dynamics.

I think it’s interesting that we have a part of our psyches that evolved for ownership; a part of our nature that is decidedly unegalitarian.

If you’re ever read Dawkin’s book, The Selfish Gene, you kind of get a clearer picture of it. Selfish, self-concerned, organisms tend to survive better than overly altruistic or egalitarian ones. Now before you tell me, “On no Rollo, Bonobos are the peacenik, free loving hippy example of egalitarianism in the wild” have a read of The Naked Bonobo and you’ll understand how deliberately false that impression is. If anything Bonobos are far better examples of the more visceral side of Hypergamy in humans. Self-interest is the driver of a great many survival instincts and adaptations in all animals.

Getting back to humans here, combine that evolved, adaptive, selfishness with a hindbrain level, intrinsic sense for ownership – one in which we feel as if it has a direct connection to ourselves – and you can see what social constructivists and equalitarians are trying to undo in humans. If you watch today’s video you’ll better understand this deep connection we have with the things we, selfishly, consider our own. There is a neurological connection between our sense of self and our things.

I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in our belief systems many times throughout my past essays. Briefly, ego-investment is phenomenon of being so intrinsically connected with our beliefs and ideologies that they become part of our personalities. So, to attack the belief is to, literally, attack the person. In a similar fashion the connections we apply to our things also become (to varying degrees) part of who we are. In essence we invest our egos into the things we consider ours – and the greater the effort, cost or the applied significance involved in getting those things the greater the injury is to the self when they are lost, destroyed, damaged or stolen.

In the video there is also a mention of how original items are more valued than an exact copy of those items. Again, this is part of the evolutionary side of humans investing their egos into those things. There is a limbic level need to know that these items are our things because only those things somehow contain the essence of us. Also in the video it’s postulated that the higher price of common items owned by celebrities we admire are a cost we’re willing to pay because we believe part of that celebrity’s essence is somehow contained in that item.

Why is it that we evolved to place such importance in knowing that some thing is ours, and only that thing is ours? Why do we, sometimes obsessively, need to imbue that thing with the essence of us? Why is this (apparently) part of our evolved mental firmware?

The Need to Know

I’m going to speculate here a bit. I think a strong argument can be made for men’s intrinsic need to verify his own paternity being linked to the Endowment Effect. In fact, I’d suggest that this ownership need can extend to not only a man’s children, but also to the women (even potential women) in his life. This isn’t to say women didn’t also evolve this sense – women display the Endowment Effect as much as men – but I’m going to approach this from the male side for the moment.

The video refers to this compulsive need to verify the authenticity of a thing as ‘magical thinking’, but is it really so magical? I think the writer and researcher would have us think this dynamic is silly because it’s ‘just a thing’ right? We shouldn’t place such a high degree of importance on a bicycle or an old guitar. That’s just vulgar materialism, right? Granted, some things, heirlooms maybe, can have sentimental value, but ultimately even those might well be replaceable too. It shouldn’t be so important to know something is magically your own.

Unless the thing that’s your own is your only shot at passing something of yourself into the future.

The butter knife that Elvis used to spread peanut butter on his peanut butter and banana sandwiches could be anything you can find at Walmart, but if his ‘essence‘ was in someway invested in that knife (and anyone cared to know about it) that part of Elvis might go on into perpetuity. That seems like childish magical thinking until you realize that the only part of the average person’s essence that might actually do this is their children. And until just recently, evolutionarily speaking, there wasn’t any completely dependable way to know if a man was 100% invested in his own ‘things’ – his progeny. His kids would carry on his essence, so in our evolved past it made sense to be obsessive-compulsive about the things that we’re one’s own.

As I stated, women also exhibit this effect as well, and I’d argue for much of the same reasons. Though, in none of the research related in this video was this Endowment Effect controlled for by sex – at least none that I’m aware of. Again, this is conjecture, but I would think that with the intrinsic certainty a woman has in knowing a child is her own, and the collectivist communal nature of women in hunter-gatherer society from which we developed, it might be that women place a higher ‘endowed’ value on different things than men do. I think this effect may be more pronounced in an era where women are almost unilaterally in control of Hypergamy.

I recently saw a video of a fertility doctor who had either used his own sperm to fertilize women’s eggs, or completely random samples to father about 40 children. The women, the children (mostly female) were absolutely aghast that he was their father or some donor who they would never know had contributed to half their DNA. The idea that the selection and control of Hypergamy was taken from them was worthy of the death penalty. Yet this is exactly the control we expect men to relinquish in this age. We will pat men on the back for abandoning their evolved instinct to ascertain paternity. We’ll tell a man he’s a hero for wifing up a single mother and “stepping up to be a father” to a child he didn’t sire and at the same time pretend that father’s are superfluous. We’ll change ‘Father’s Day’ to ‘Special Person’s Day’ and tell men they’re insecure in their masculinity for preferring a son or daughter of his own – but try to remove that control from a woman, try to tell her that Hypergamous choice wasn’t hers to make and it’s tantamount to rape.

“She was never yours, it was just your turn.”

I think it was my fellow Red Man Group friend Donovan Sharpe who coined this phrase. I might be wrong. I’ve read this around the usual Red Pill Reddit subs and other manosphere forums, but it wasn’t until last month (July) when I read yet one more story about a husband whose wife was leaving him and was in the process of Zeroing him out when he decided to kill her, their three kids and then himself. You can read the Twitter reaction to this here:

Naturally women were appalled at the deaths of the wife and kids, as they should be. Pre-divorce women will prep months in advance for their new singleness. Often they’ll check out of the marriage and live without any real connection to their, usually Beta, Blue Pill conditioned, husband who languishes in this Blue Pill hell for the duration it takes his wife to establish a new mental persona and finds a way to exit the marriage. She’s already gone from the marriage, but the typical Blue Pill husband believes that he is the source of her discontent and resorts to anything he can to ‘keep things fresh’ or ‘rekindle the old flame’ that a feminine-primary popular culture tells him should be his responsibility. Unfortunately, this guy’s situation is typical of middle aged men today, and I honestly believe is the source that drives suicides and murder-suicides in this demographic. This man was going to be Zeroed Out and he knew it was coming.

That’s when I thought, ‘Was this guy’s turn with her just over?’ Was it as simple as that? If you read this couple’s story there wasn’t a history of him losing his mind. If anything Matthew Edwards was a pretty dedicated and invested father. No history of depression, suicidal tendencies or abuse; just another average frustrated chump who built a life for himself likely based on his Blue Pill conditioning.

But his turn was over and he likely believed the soul-mate myth. How was he supposed to live with out her?

The fem-stream media offers up their standard pablum – “Misogynistic society teaches men that they’re entitled to women’s bodies. Men need to be taught that they don’t own women.” or something similar that goes entirely against a man’s evolved Endowment Effect. What exactly does a man get to think is his own if not his family? When a woman finds out that her Hypergamous choice was made for her by a fertility clinic doctor rather than herself they’re out for blood – again, rightfully so. Then why are we surprised that men, particularly men in Matthew Edwards demographic, resort to murder and suicide when faced with losing everything they’ve invested themselves in.

Now this week we see another, almost identical, tragedy in Colorado this week.

And once again we have what looks like another guy being Zeroed out and another quadruple homicide. How man more of these murder-suicides (or just murders in this case) is it going to take before we collectively see the commonalities in all of them?

I had a conversation with several women in the wake of this latest tragedy and every one of them couldn’t wrap their head around why the guy would kill his kids? They could understand why he might kill his wife – the assumption being her unborn child was sired by guy who wasn’t him – but not his kids. I think this is interesting in the light of how men and women approach paternity/maternity and the Endowment Effect. The best answer I could come up with is that a man doesn’t want that part of him to go on into the future without him. The idea that his kids bear some of his essence and he would rather erase that essence entirely than live or kill himself with the knowledge that his children wouldn’t have him in their lives. Killing a wife might be the result of an uncontrolled rage, but killing your kids takes premeditation – there has to be some point to the act, some reasoning (corrupted as it may be) that made sense to him.

The Strategic Pluralism Theory is from a research study by Dr. Martie Haselton:

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits. Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues. Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000).

The commonalities in every one of these murder-suicides is a Blue Pill conditioned, Beta husband who by all indications was playing by the First Set of Books. By all indications these men would fit into the second type of man mention in Strategic Pluralism Theory – they did everything right, they played by the rules, they did their best to invest themselves in their mates and offspring and likely believed they’d earned some Relational Equity from it. But then, their turn was over with their wives. For whatever reason they were faced with a complete loss, a Zeroing Out, of everything they believed they owned. The things they invested so much of their lives in, the things they worked so hard for, the things that retained his ‘essence’, the things they invested their egos in were all being taken away from them. When faced with such a reality men tend to look at only two options; remake and rebuild what they had in the knowledge that this too might be taken from them, or they can simply erase all themselves and all the ‘things’ they were attached too.

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rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Mentorship’s
https://bit.ly/2wDF9sz
Use Discipline to build character and conscience, not enemies.
Model a manhood of emotional attachment.

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient “The others which follow are derivitive… He set the “standard”…” – A Sonny Ericcson’s got a keypad, access to the internet and you can make on the go calls with it..same as modern iPhones/Androids. – A Ford Model-T’s got wheels, a steering wheel, an engine, and can take you from Point A to Point B..same way as the modern Tesla Model-S. – A Macbook from 2007’s got a keyboard, photoshop, access to the web..same as modern Macbooks right? So if the former technologies have all the “standard” applications/uses of more modern up-to-date technologies…why do people favor the later models… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ j, Palma and sentient – J has said.something again ( that he’s explained before ) that is highly enlightening wrt why it’s so difficult for ” older ” guys to get simple messages through to him. YaReally suffered from the same issue, except ya wasn’t 24 years old. He was stuck in a.one.way out and had a million fears and rationalizations for any he would stay exactly where he was mentally, even.though he was rapidly approaching 40 ( at the time ) And as.always @ j, I’m not talking shit about you. I’m just expressing my opinion based on.what… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blax

Well I couldn’t care less what J does with his dick. I just want him to stop using silly relabeling and ignorance when in comes to what Mystery Metgod is. Or at least be quiet on that point.

New technology. Lol. Maybe he thinks vaginas are different today? Not been my experience in The Current Year.

Funny though that Ya brought it all back to Mystery and that this remained his 1 go to recommendation for guys. Write there in black and white…

Guy gets an inch here thinks he’s a ruler syndrome as well.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Oh… And gradr inflation. Calling 6 and 7s 8s and 9s… Can’t have that either.

j
j
4 years ago

@Palma “A = you are the man that can bring the beest back to the cave and feed her and the children” Incel: bro how do you laid so often? I can’t attract any girls 🙁 Chad: just lift bro! girls dig muscles. Incel: *lifts* hey ladies Girl: hey Incel: so…uh…do you here often? Girl: not really Incel: oh cool…uh…so…can I buy you a drink? – Attraction Comfort Seduction – the stages, every guy whose every gotten laid on this planet went through (even if they were unaware of it). – Mystery Method – ((A)) Method created by PUA, Erik… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

A C S = stages every guy whose gotten laid on this planet has gone through (even if they were unaware)

MM = Method created by Erik von Markovik in 1998, based on his trial and error experience gaming hot girls in LA nightclubs in the 90s, to go through the A C S stages.

upthread:

Where the models differ however, is the way in which you progress through the stages. Calling every model, Mystery Method, just because they go through A C S, is silly.

j
j
4 years ago

“Maybe he thinks vaginas are different today?”

what’s changed since 1998:

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/327736-my-thoughts-on-the-history-of-men-women-dynamics?p=327771#post327771

“gradr inflation”

yeah…cause there’s no “9”s in Budapest, Serbia, NY, and BOS…

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“– Mystery Method – ((A)) Method created by PUA, Erik Von Markovik, based on his trial and error experience gaming hot girls in LA nightclubs in the 90s, to go through the A C S stages. You got to be fucking shitting me if you think he based it on his own experiences only. He collaborated with antiquity and with other men (and women) proto manosphere. He did research, collaborated with other men in the field. Did you even read “The Game” bro? He had a quick wit, and intense appetite for knowledge and a perpetually inquisitive mind. He also… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol. These guys…..they never stop with the ” everything’s different today ” stuff. And they all but into it from a.severe scarcity mentality – ” ohhhh…that hb9-10 ignored me.because she was in Instagram. Well….this.night sucks…..guess I’ll go home and try again tomorrow night. “. Game not real. Game.Not strong. Game.Not real strong. Theryago! Very new generation has had to adapt. Don’t shine and.complain, adapt. It’s sad to read guys typing away about how easy it was before they were even.born, or before they started trying to talk to/bang chicks. If you weren’t out therein the 90’s or whenever, you.don’t have… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“He had a quick wit, and intense appetite for knowledge and a perpetually inquisitive mind. He also studied history of seduction. Including fucking Casanova.” Cool. Fact is he created the method based on what “worked” for him in LA nightclubs in the 90s (if you consider 56 lays in 6 years gaming nonstop a success). RSD promotes dancing monkey style “game” because that’s what “works” for them and their bootcamps students in West Hollywood/Vegas clubs (and any other party city) only. Try that in an average city and you will get kicked out for being a aspie weirdo (yeah even… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“Very new generation has had to adapt. Don’t shine and.complain, adapt.”

Yeah adapt. staying ahead of the curve. which is what I’m (maybe not you old guys) interested in.

“Is it just guys in pua.forums witnessing all of this osticalure difficulty?”

interesting how the only guys talking about how these changes affect pickup, are the guys that are going out specifically to get laid and trying to form relationships beyond a ONS, today. and the guys that are not in the game, are the ones keyboard jockeying everything is the same?

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

My son just was listening to a Neil Young playlist while allegedly studying for the CPA exam part 4.

“It’s better to burn out, than it is to rust.” Aren’t the only binary options on the table in front of you.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“yeah…cause there’s no “9”s in Budapest, Serbia, NY, and BOS…” Doesn’t matter. Though Boston??? Heh What matters is calling a 6 or 7 an 8 or 9… 😉 “More recently, like the 90s and the early 2000s, wasn’t a seducer around this time. But from what I’ve been told, chicks had a lot more ASD, in those times, compared to now” J you know hearsay is inadmissible testimony? “A C S = stages every guy whose gotten laid on this planet has gone through (even if they were unaware)” Q.E.D. “Calling every model, Mystery Method, just because they go through… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Keyboard Jockey= Nice Strawman.

Right next to, close to the heart, of Godwin’s law in the Manosphere.

Who are these keyboard jockeys you speak of, J?

This is a red pill blog. You are welcome to participate, but don’t figure it’s anti PUA. PUA informs red pill.

Red Pill is praxeology. It is awareness. You can apply it as you see fit.

It goes to what are you going to do about that ( your reality).

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

And yet I can’t find anything on that thread about vaginas being different?

How can this be?

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

J

You.do realize that Game doesn’t just vanish right? I mean, unless one suffers severe trauma or something.

You know, I’m beginning to notice my memory slipping just a.bit. I need to exercise my brain more. Good thing I don’t have to ” memorize ” Game though.😁

How if I.start pissing myself.because I forget to go to the bathroom, then there’s an issue.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

If a.guy can’t get chicks.because the calendar says so, then the problem is simple : he has no game.

If he took a course of ten, he needs to get every some of his.money back.

Keyboards not withstanding😁 it can’t be all that helpful in.a.forum full of guys all agreeing that they are having a hard time because everything is different, rather than ” I have no game and I need to figure this shit out….without paying for it “.

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient “J you know hearsay is inadmissible testimony?” Ya did game in the early 00s and in the archives, he talked about how he used to have all these complex routines to work around it…but then as society became more sexualized (hookup culture), he found it unnecessary and dropped it because girls didn’t need to be that convinced. “Let’s not forget about the surge of online dating, swipe-based apps, and sexualized social media. Which on one hand, allowed casual sex to become a bit more normalized. From a societal aspect. More chicks watch porn these days too. But on the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Due to overstimulation, it takes more to hook girls into conversations, it takes more to keep their attention, or emotionally stimulate them””

Wut? I mean Mystery was wearing six inch platforms and ski goggles and doing magic way way back then for no reason at all? Holy shit!!!

Thanks for clarifying…

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
4 years ago

“But if that were to occur: I’d simply move. Move to somewhere, after having researched the following: – Does the city I’m interested in moving to, have a good amount of girls (I) consider hot (dark brunette hair, tan olive skin or pale skin with greenish grey eyes, and slim body with great ass) – How good is the English there? – what’s the cost of living? – How’s the Nightlife? – weather and safety – local cuisine Then I’d do my due diligence and scout the cities I’m considering for myself to confirm, if what I read online was… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@blax even.though he was rapidly approaching 40 ( at the time ) Yeah, stepping into a worm hole sucks without time.dilation.boots If a.guy can’t get chicks.because the calendar says so, then the problem is simple : he has no game. Last night my game consisted of “I’m horny.” On top of my normal.awesomeness. @j the guys that are not in the game, are the ones keyboard jockeying everything is the same Almost everyone one here is in the game. Game is not limited to pickup. But I’ve seen you kj about relationships. So I wonder if you’re a one.trick.pony. I’m… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“Mystery was wearing six inch platforms and ski goggles ”

cool. go dressed like this to your favorite spot and tell me how it goes.

@ajax

“Adventure without risk is Disneyland.” – Doug Coupland

“The girl was invested and wanted a meetup. But I’m obviously just kj-ing. XD”

I know I’ve said this to you before, but I love how self aware you are. good for you

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

J Living in the right side of his brain @25. There’s a reason that the human brain is bifurcate. There are two necessary ways of looking at the world and the have to be in conflict, to some degree, in order to work. (similar to masculine/feminine complementarity, in a healthy dynamic. They have to be in conflict. They have different imperatives. In order for ones strategy to come to fruition, yes the other’s must be compromised.) But then there, there is a notion of harmony. It’s called healthy relationships. You can be a cyborg all you want, because lack of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“That landscape is permanent with the Pua aspect being more chaos.”

You’ll burn out on your way from 25 to 50.

Why the fuck did YaReally leave here?

He burnt out. Something happened to not sustain what he was bent on.

No one is telling you what to do. They are advising you of what you don’t know. Yet.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Total self ownership
https://bit.ly/2NH3Zz5
No women No extension just in front of the Burden of performance.
Performance is Self you becoming the performance.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Popular opinion is that ya vanished because trm. He never resurfaced anywhere else though. Hmmmmm……. He said he was tired of ” fighting ” everyone. Yet, he had a ton of support here and he was liked by everyone regardless of any disagreements. So why the vanishing from the net ( as far as anyone can tell )? Scray too….But whatever. Was it because he couldn’t ” win “, or because Rollo renoved/blocked Some of the rsd videos? Why so.serious? Why put in all that work, years and years of work and millions of lines of text, just to throw… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

RSD used to be a one.trick.pickup.pony, but now it has morphed into pushing a more lucrative (for them) product.

Shit, if you can just buy MM or even read it on the web, and it can do the job, RSD and other purveyors of pickup won’t be able to make any money off of selling their wares. So who is dissing MM as “outmoded?” And why might said dissers be dissing MM? I would expect said dissers to be one.trick.ponies.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

This is what inferior intellect looks like:

“cool. go dressed like this to your favorite spot and tell me how it goes.”

why do you think that 20 years ago he bothered at all?

Ouch. The cogdis is hurting….

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

RSD used to be a one.trick.pickup.pony, but now it has morphed into pushing a more lucrative (for them) product.

Actually what you see with RSD is Poosy Uber Alles guys growing up… Yes they are ham handedly trying to continue to monetize this awakening [zero endorsement] but on a meta level it’s cute to see. And natural.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

and this

Because of the way our mind, body and hormones work. If anyone, gets overstimulated, they simply adapt by increasing the amount of required stimulation.

Is simply false…

because the other way to deal with chronic over stimulation is to crash… burn out… and stop.

retarded.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Oh, my where did our YaReally go? What the hell happpened? He was the way. Only goes to show. He got a girl pregnant. He realized he was living a lie. Herpes infected him. And he neglected to have health insurance for cheap Valtrex. Wealth was actually a thing. He didn’t offer up the right EggMcMuffin. He didn’t actually have a plan an a purpose. He sought a completion in life. It didn’t happen. He went to work for RSD and was sworn to secrecy. He was tired as an INTJ can be and he needed to rest. Recharge his… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“why do you think that 20 years ago he bothered at all?”

Cool. Why don’t YOU go to the W Hotel or whatever hotel bar/lounge you go to pick up chicks, in 6 inch platforms and ski goggles. Then approach a 9 and start doing magic tricks. worked for mystery right? According to the OMGs Nothing’s changed. and going by that logic, should work just fine like it did 20 years ago.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Cool.”

So this is not a rebuttal. You’re just restating.

Why not actually try and THINK a bit about why Mystery would go into a chaotic environment with really high value men and women… in 1998 mind you… like that?

Do you think perhaps it was because perhaps he saw the “over stimulation” thing going on? That he saw a way to address that… in 1998… and draw attention to himself… and stimulation to others?

What was the exact date when “over stimulation’ became a thing? Tell us.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“should work just fine like it did 20 years ago.”

I’m sure it would work the same. Because vaginas are still vaginas… sorry…?

j
j
4 years ago

“Because of the way our mind, body and hormones work. If anyone, gets overstimulated, they simply adapt by increasing the amount of required stimulation.”

I liken it to developing a higher tolerance to alcohol.

Wheres before (the overstimulation of hookup apps/social media validation) you’d get tipsy after only 2 drinks (\/\/\/), now (2018 overstimulation) you need more drinks to get the same effect (/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/)

j
j
4 years ago

“I’m sure it would work the same”

lol look at the little baby afraid of getting embarrassed…lol. Try it broski. tell us what happens.

“What was the exact date when “over stimulation’ became a thing?”

Tinder, Facebook, Instagram weren’t around in 1998. Why do you like making things difficult for no reason lmao?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

YaReally has been gone for, what two years? Yet he’s still clearly living on here in some heads.

Plus he’s living in them heads rent free…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

A guy with game awareness can compensate for all kinds of shit. Women aren’t responding to his normal shit? No problem, he ups the ante until he gets the desired response. Example. My brother in law has two daughters, my nieces. One is pretty and always on her cell in family situations. Hardly interacts with the family. The other is not so pretty, but is charming, and chats with the family. How do I deal with the pretty one? Mostly I say hi and ignore her, but last time I saw her I didn’t even say hello or chat with… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

YaReally has been gone for, what two years? Yet he’s still clearly living on here in some heads.

Plus he’s living in them heads rent free…

NotReally…I get a monthly check. Seriously, it has been months since I’ve thought about him, and only then because someone else brought him up. He’s useful as an example of a one.trick.pony.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

What is with the random periods inserted into text lately?

What.is.with.the.random.periods.inserted.into.text.lately?

Some artifact of a mobile / handheld API, or what?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

That.was.me.teasing.Blax.

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
4 years ago

Wow, too many comments in this to catch up, but where is it written that the first two are actually his kids? She may have very well rubbed his face in the fact that non of them where his just as a way to twist the dagger.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Tablet autocorrect malfunction. ( TAM )

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Wow, too many comments in this to catch up, but where is it written that the first two are actually his kids?

It’s just the default assumption in modern society.

She may have very well rubbed his face in the fact that non of them where his just as a way to twist the dagger.

That’s sure possible.

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago

@SJF “It seems Chump No More’s comment was taken wrong, upstream. I do believe he was saying: Do what you want to and don’t listen to all the noise. Hone in on the signal. He wasn’t criticizing the regular commenters he was exhorting the irregular commenters to not be irregular. He was holding to Red Pill.” Yes, you got it. I am an irregular commenter… after too many years, lost in the desert, TRP has re-connected me to my passion and I am making up for lost time, taking risks, and thriving with an abundant mindset. I seldom feel the… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

“A high-ranking Victorian policewoman accused of a predatory relationship with a subordinate male officer escaped serious disciplinary action despite the police’s own sex harassment taskforce recommending she face tough sanctions.

The case has driven a major rift between members of the high-profile Salus sexual harassment taskforce and force command. It is also being investigated by Victoria’s Independent Broad-based Anti-Corruption Commission as part of a wider probe into alleged misconduct involving senior police…”

Interesting times down under…

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-rift-over-top-female-cop-s-sex-scandal-20180904-p501qw.html

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Chump

“you have nothing to rationalize, nothing to prove, and nothing to explain.”

If Rollo felt the same no one would be here.

Don’t think that every response to a poster is for them alone.

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago

“If Rollo felt the same no one would be here.”

True, but I don’t read Rollo as DEER-ing.

“Don’t think that every response to a poster is for them alone.”

Granted, Focus your effort on those who want to be unplugged.

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
4 years ago

Whew! I know this is a late comment but, for some reason, a bunch of these ended up in “bulk mail” and I’ve some downtime so..whatever. Here I am. This was a great read. Just one thing: that phrase “She wasn’t yours, it was just your turn.”, paraphrased, has been around, at least for me, in use since I was in 5th grade in the late 70s in Brooklyn, NY. It’s what we would say to either cheer a guy up or chide him at the same time as we cheered him up! LOL! That’s just what guys, or kids,… Read more »

tharwolf
4 years ago

I agree with about 98.37% of what you post here, Rollo, but not this one. These murder-suicides aren’t the fault of the Feminine Imperative, they’re the fault of narcissism (more specifically – narcissists – ultimately every crime lies at the feet of the perpetrator). Every time one of these guys murders their entire family and then offs themselves “out of the blue” it comes back to the same thing: they’re about to be EXPOSED. Not exposed for any actual wrongdoing, but rather exposed as less-than; less-than adequate as a husband (because why else would people think she’s leaving?); less-than adequate… Read more »

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

@palmasailor

When the rage of the cheated beta bux gets out of control.

I was watching Brian Yuzna’s cult classic The Dentist the other day which is a case study of this type of man. Beta bux dentist finds his wife fucking with alpha chad pool boy. Blue pill world collapses and he loses his sanity unleashing his furry on them and his patients.

447
447
4 years ago

Nate cuts to the chase. The point for only genetic, instinctual selection has passed – female sexual selection leads right back to grass huts and tribal killings over cow herds and matriarchal totems in the desert plains. However imperfect and strange – “Vampires” at least build and contain advancing structures. Only thing Werwolves do is tear shit up and howl at the (fem-mysterious) moon. Sorry to say, but more men (not less) acting in this -on the short term- horrible and illegal way are part of solving the civilizational problem. Really bitter. Female selection and the FI are the civilization… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

However imperfect and strange – “Vampires” at least build and contain advancing structures. Only thing Werwolves do is tear shit up and howl at the (fem-mysterious) moon.

You’re looking at this as a man, but Rollo wrote about how women see the vampire/werewolf dichotomy. It doesn’t work the same for men and women. There are plenty of “werewolves” who build.

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

@447

Female sexual selection promotes unhealthy antagonism among men. It`s in her best interest to see them elliminate each other as she doesn’t give a fuck about men in general and wants only to mate with the best. It makes preselection much easier by narrowing the number of suitors. Also she derives pleasure and validation from being the prize….men literally killing for her.

447
447
4 years ago

theasdgamer September 18, 2018 at 4:21 am However imperfect and strange – “Vampires” at least build and contain advancing structures. Only thing Werwolves do is tear shit up and howl at the (fem-mysterious) moon. You’re looking at this as a man, but Rollo wrote about how women see the vampire/werewolf dichotomy. It doesn’t work the same for men and women. There are plenty of “werewolves” who build —————– Sure, I look at it from a male perspective. The rational solution to hypergamy is not appeasement (individually or socially), but simple supression by force. (Ofc some rulebreakers always slip through, that… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

….suppression by force.

😁

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Suppression by force.

😁

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yeah. Turn this place in Saudi Arabia!

JohnD
JohnD
4 years ago

The big issue with these blue pill men is two fold. The first scenario is that they get into LTRs or marriage way too young and, therefore, lack the life experience of being with multiple women and figuring out the way life really is in their younger years when they should be exploring the sexual market. Or secondly, they couldn’t attract a woman until they are older and she finds him waiting when she finally has her epiphany phase and, again, he has lacked any real life experience with women. The result of this is that they think their beta… Read more »

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