The Rational Process

 

One of the most vexing things a lot of Red Pill aware men encounter when they interact with women today is the expectation that women are coequally as rational agents as men. We were taught from the earliest ages by our blank-slate equalist teachers that boys and girls are all the same, having coequal potential for coequal successes in life (as they define them), then primarily focusing on the ‘correct’, female way of educating both sexes. This education isn’t limited to just the classroom; the Village uses many ways (media, pop culture, religion, etc.) to deliver what is fundamentally the same message – boys and girls, men and women, are essentially, effectively, the same with respect to their potentials. Now, that’s the message not the practice. Even when they are forced to recognize definitive differences they simply dismiss them by saying “We’re more alike than different” in the presumption that this should be enough to refocus and reinforce their blank-slate belief set.

So when men and women consider differences in gender, differences in double standards, inequalities in gender-specific issues and pretty much any empirical debate about these and other differences, men presume that the women they are ‘debating’ with are also looking for earnest, equitable answers beginning from the same coequal state of mutual interest. This is almost never the case.

The pretense that’s been embedded into men from the earliest years of their Blue Pill conditioning is since men and women are coequal agents they should both be interested in finding an objective truth together. But the frustration in this ‘debate’ comes from the simple fact that our differences are actually much more significant than the dismissals of equalists would want them to be. The roots of this deliberate misunderstanding are twofold: First, the innate solipsistic self-interest of women, and second, women’s predisposition to interpret information using the Emotional (versus Rational) interpretive processes.

When men and women debate intersexual issues of contention men opt for their innately preferred Rational interpretive process; we look for factual evidence to support a premise. Women opt for the Emotional process and then consider evidence. This difference in processing is where a lot of personal and ideological obstacles come into play between men and women. Our educational priorities of both men and women prioritizes the importance of emotion and its expression before a consideration of the Rational process. We teach boys/men to sublimate their natural proclivity towards reason by replacing it with the Emotional process. Thus, we’ve seen the push to encourage men to get in touch with their feelings or their feminine sides since the late 60s.

As I mentioned last week, women prioritize context (how a conversation makes them feel) in communication while men prioritize content (the information of the conversation); these differences are part of our biological/neurological evolved inheritances. This is where the misunderstanding starts between the sexes; however, calling this a ‘misunderstanding’ is a bit of a misnomer.

I’m sure a lot of readers think this is a longwinded way of saying women’s emotions blind them to the facts that men present to them when they debate. While this is true in a sense, this is shortsighted because, in the interests of simplifying things, most guys will just blow off the dynamics that build up this (often deliberate) miscommunication. Women don’t like the way a Rational-prioritized conversation makes them feel. Often the reality is unflattering to their solipsistically defined egos – but the communication feels wrong because women’s presumption is that men should just know to acknowledge their feelings in that debate (all communication really). On the female side the presumption is that men and women, being blank-slate equals, already know to prioritize the Emotional process, while on the male side men presume women will prioritize the Rational process because, again, we’re all the same, right?

This presuming that one sex sees the same way as the other is endemic in our time. I had a reader pose me with a similar example:

I had a conversation with my LTR at dinner tonight where I did a thought exercise with her. I asked her to imagine what it would be like if people visually saw different colors when they looked at various objects but had consistent names for those colors in their own minds. For example, person A sees what person B calls Blue, but it looks like what would be called green if person A could peer into person B’s mind. The point was we can’t know what colors actually look like from an individual subjective perspective. Although I tried several times to walk through this, she couldn’t comprehend what I was trying to explain. I then realized that this exercise involved imagining a first person conscious experience from multiple perspectives. This test could be a proxy test for (women’s) solipsism.

This thought experiment is a good way to illustrate solipsism in women, but it’s an even better example of the default presumptions men and women have of each other in other areas. As it stands today, in our feminine-primary social order, the Blue Pill conditions us to default to cognitive models that are defined by the female experience. Thus, whatever best satisfies a female-primary purpose is always considered the correct purpose. The way women think, the way women prioritize their Emotional interpretive process, is the right way for men to think – and the mutual presumption is that men already do (or should) think and process stimuli like women do. Anything else, anything that would recognize a difference in men from women, always feels wrong.

This default presumption of a female-correct way of interpreting and experiencing the world isn’t limited to our differences in communication. This misalignment of interpretive differences also extends to the false presumption that men and women approach the concept of love from a mutually understood perspective. Men love idealistically, women love opportunistically, yet men’s presumption is that both men and women approach love from the Disneyesque idealism they believe women are capable of. Men too believe that women see the same colors they do and have the same names for those colors. In this case those colors are the concepts and approaches women have towards love. I may write a new essay outlining this dynamic soon, but I’ve already written many prior posts on this experiential difference.

Rationalism vs. The Rational Process

As a result of pushing the Emotional process as the correct way of interpreting our world the Rational process necessarily gets demonized today. It feels wrong to a social order predicated on the Emotional process, so the truths that the Rational process reveals seem cruel, biased or vindictive when they refute the interpretations of the Emotional process. The importance of Emotion has been elevated above an interpretive process to where it’s now entered a metaphysical realm. This is where the Emotional process becomes Emotionalism. In the light of this, the Rational process is overshadowed and sublimated in importance. But the Rational process is what exposes emotionalism for what it is: Emotion is an evolved, biological interpretive process that serves our species well, but the feelings it generates are biological responses to environmental stimuli, not evidence of some higher consciousness or mythic existential importance that goes beyond anything in the physical realm.

The Rational process throws a cold bucket of truth on lofty emotionalism. As a result, and because emotionalism has been a basis of our social order for millennia now, the Rational process had to be debased in importance.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. – Proverbs 3:5

This scripture is an example of the conflict between emotionalism and the rationalism that popular social consciousness would like to apply to the Rational interpretive process. The Rational process is based in our collective and subjective intelligence. Healthy men and women both have the mental hardware to use the Rational process well, but where we differ is in our gendered mental firmware. When we collectively prefer one process to the other, this is where we decide which gender’s process will define our social order. In order for emotionalism to supersede rationality and ensure its preeminence appeals to the emotional above the rational have to be popularized.

If we could depend on an unbiased, unadulterated form of reason the Rational process would be a superior methodology. But as I stated before, rationalism is dependent on intelligence and that intelligence takes time. In some ways the Rational process is sensitive to both instinct and emotion, in other’s that reasoning is painfully, sometimes fatally slow. The world happens fast and vacillating in the reasoning process might easily kill an individual. Fortunately we have instinct and emotion to carry us through. The Rational process requires time because it requires learning, contemplation, theorizing and any number of high-order thinking processes to be effective. And even then, that effectiveness depends on reasoning’s accuracy. For the past three or four hundred years we’ve increasingly had the luxury to develop our Rational process, but for all the advancements it’s given us, when it comes to intersexual dynamics emotion is still the priority.

We have placed such importance on emotion at the expense of reason that we’ll risk personal safety in our ‘right’ to express it. No doubt most men are familiar with repressing their emotional responses, but it’s interesting to consider that even with this self-control and even with our innate predilection to process emotion differently than women, men are the ones accused of failing to be ‘in touch with their emotions’. On first glance Robert Greene’s quote here appears to be wisdom (I think it is) – self-control, mastery of one’s emotional state, is a virtue. Yet, in our emotional-primary social order we’ll hear women complain that men are less emotionally available. And this conflict illustrates again that whatever is expedient to the female imperative is what is to be considered ‘correct’ at that moment.

Empiric reason is the foundation of what humanity has made of itself. Setting aside emotionality and considering challenges in a Rational interpretive process is fundamental to understanding the emotional and instinctive process and their advantages and weaknesses. For the record it’s my belief that all of these interpretive processes in union are are necessary elements in the human experience, but my focus on these processes is to lay a foundation for a better understanding of them. It’s easy to get caught up in the demonization of the instinctual and the rational when the emotional is defining what’s bad or good for our collective experiences.

When I wrote Appeals to Reason I was exploring the futility of expecting women to transition into a logical reasoning of why she should logically be with a guy who was more than happy to embody all of the aspects she stated she wants in a man. The manosphere idiom is “no woman was ever reasoned or logicked into bed with a guy”, women don’t follow the Rational process when it comes to interrelating with men. It’s all Instinctual and Emotional, and usually in that order. A man might be able to use his rational facilities to better understand women’s evolved instinctual and emotional responses, and what prompts them, but reason itself isn’t the key to that interrelation.

Appealing to women’s logic and relying on deductive reasoning to sort it out is the calling card of a Beta mind. There is nothing more anti-seductive for women than appealing to her reason. Arousal, attraction, sexual tension, subcommunication of desire, all happen indirectly and below the social surface for women. It’s not that women are incapable of reasoning (hypergamy is one logical bitch) or are crippled by their emotion-based hindbrains, it’s that if you’re asking her how to be more attractive you don’t Get It. It’s in the doing, not the asking.

If you’ve stuck with me to the end of this series I want to say thanks. I really felt that these interpretive processing models needed to be fully outlined as what I’ll get into in the coming months will need this as a basis for it.

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EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Rollo retweet regarding mastery: “Eventually, the time that was not spent on learning skills will catch up with you, and the fall will be painful.”

Skills aren’t BP/RP. How much you benefit wielding them determines that.

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

Checking Rollo’s fishing trip on twitter – thought you’d be more jacked than that, dude :^)

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Boulderhead
The just out of highschool,should be just a few years out of graduate school,or post carousel epiphany stage. He waited for her.

Thanks for the correction. It makes JP’s Blue Pillness even more obvious.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

Regarding the Renaissance Man – I operate with the fundamental assumption that I can do/prepare/repair/construct anything, given enough time and resources. Based on that premise, I always run through this mental exercise whenever I am faced with a decision to tackle something. It could be fixing an appliance, building a barn, remodeling a kitchen, repairing a roof, overhauling an engine, preparing a gourmet meal. All of which I have done at least once successfully, and many of which I have done successfully on multiple occasions. It could also be anything else that I am confronted with in life. Can I… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Blaximus
He’s going to be made an example. It will be interesting to see just how far his dough will go in possibly getting him off on 1 or both of the major charges.

Weinstein has already been “made an example of” via the whole media feeding frenzy. The legal charges may or may not stand up but the damage has already been done in a “court” that has no real rules or means of appeal.

The tide of emotion that is #MeeeToo ignores the rational process. It’s a clear example of the FI at work.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Marelius,

Ever start a day unsure how it’ll go/cost/legality/skills needed?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

The tide of emotion that is #MeeeToo ignores the rational process. It’s a clear example of the FI at work.

Touched on the rational part of the process over in FR’s starting here:

https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-89/#comment-252874

Now it’s past smearing and into top level fund raising and political/judicial activism. Over $13M raised already to push the peanut…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Marelius

Careful you don’t outsource your “alpha” around the house. Just not the same when she sees some other dude doing the work.

Costs me $600 to change a light fixture I could pay a guy $80 to do.

Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
4 years ago

And speaking further of Canadian Idol Jordan Blue Pill, here’s a fanboi piece acknowledging he’s more lefty lucy than portrayed in womens study syllabi so he can’t be that bad: https://quillette.com/2018/05/22/jordan-peterson-failure-left/ I’ve not followed him that closely, so I could be Bonkers in Yonkers here. But I don’t see that JBP is into evo-psych in any significant way though he does praise a recent Psych Today article touting women evo-psych pioneers. Seems to be if he was more into it he might still be inherently Blue-ish* but his evangel would be more informed by that discipline, rather than “boost your… Read more »

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

EhIntellect Ever start a day unsure how it’ll go/cost/legality/skills needed? These days there is very little about living life and maintaining acreage and multiple properties and vehicles that I haven’t already done to some degree or another, so other than the potential divorce thing I headed off recently, no, not really. There are advantages to having lived for a while. Sentient – Careful you don’t outsource your “alpha” around the house. Just not the same when she sees some other dude doing the work. Costs me $600 to change a light fixture I could pay a guy $80 to do.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Sentient
Touched on the rational part of the process over in FR’s starting here:

Hmm, if you consider manginae to be rational, maybe so.

Several centuries ago “witchsniffing” was a job that could pay pretty well, but it still was an emotionally oriented business. Modern day law firms in the business of witch-sniffing may use rational sounding words, but…nah.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

I have made A LOT of mistakes over the years, and I also fixed those mistakes, or lived with them. As time went on, I repeated fewer and fewer mistakes (so I was actually learning something along the way). But my point wasn’t really to blow my own horn. It is to say that very few of us have put ourselves in position to make mistakes and to learn from them. I have several dozens contemporary friends, relatives and acquaintances that I can fairly say are a representative sample of MC/UMC white males (i.e. privileged), and among them very few… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Marelius

Costs me $30 (and half the effort) to change a light fixture I could pay a guy $80 to do

Well your implied hourly rate is lower than mine. Unless opportunity cost doesn’t exist where you live 🙂

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

AR

Hmm, if you consider manginae to be rational, maybe so.

The fund raising apparatus is progressing the cause forward on social, legislative and judicial fronts in a very rational manner.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@Sentient
Well your implied hourly rate is lower than mine. Unless opportunity cost doesn’t exist where you live

Valid point economically. There is a DHV aspect to doing such work quickly and correctly that can’t be “costed”, though.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

AR

Yup – Hence part one “Careful you don’t outsource your “alpha” around the house. Just not the same when she sees some other dude doing the work.”

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

The fund raising apparatus is progressing the cause forward on social, legislative and judicial fronts in a very rational manner. Debateable. There was rationality involved in the Chinese Cultural Revolution but mostly it was a burning dumpster fire of emotionality. Ditto the 1930’s Great Purge in the USSR. Some members of a lynch mob may be proceeding in a rational manner, but that doesn’t mean the mob is rational. Since there’s a clear intersection of feminism, leftist / globalist politics and pure rage involved, I’m not gonna buy “it’s all cold blooded rationality”. Neither will I underestimate the players involved,… Read more »

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

Here’s my logic. I figured the guy was an electrician, and that he would be doing such a basic task like this as an after hours job, off union scale, which around here I could get done for about $30-35 an hour, plus materials. I also figured it was a cheap $30 light fixture. That means it would take the “pro” (80-30)/35 = 1.43 or just under an hour and a half. I have installed many a light fixture, and know I could do it in about 20 minutes, so my actual cost would only be the $30 light fixture.… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“Careful you don’t outsource your “alpha” around the house. Just not the same when she sees some other dude doing the work.”

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married_mgtow
married_mgtow
4 years ago

Sentient, AR, et.al.

“The fund raising apparatus is progressing the cause forward on social, legislative and judicial fronts in a very rational manner.”

Thanks for all the news on the FI front, you guys are deepening my red pill and scaring the crap out of me…

Misappropriation of funds …..would be apropos….but too much to ask for…..

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Yup – Hence part one “Careful you don’t outsource your “alpha” around the house. Just not the same when she sees some other dude doing the work.”

Yes, directly contradicted by the next statement. Naturals are pretty funny when they act like women.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Steve Sailers is wondering what the Greek word for “rule by actresses” is. Seems like a relevant question right about now. He quotes Raymond Chandler, a great 20th century red-pill author, in the voice of detective Phillip Marlowe on actresses: “But show business has always been like that — any kind of show business. If these people didn’t live intense and rather disordered lives, if their emotions didn’t ride them too hard — well, they wouldn’t be able to catch those emotions in flight and imprint them on a few feet of celluloid or project them across the footlights.” Rule… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@j

That pic looks like a porn vid trying to imitate a Lana del Rey music video…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Well, above I messed up the quote. Sailers was quoting Chandler’s character “Sheridan Ballou” talking to Phillip Marlowe. Not that it makes all that much of a difference. I’ll be looking for a copy of The Little Sister for summer reading. Maybe with Weinstein’s trial on Court TV as background audio…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

White Knight running for governor in Georgia. This is not a fake ad. It is real.

https://youtu.be/4ABRz_epvic

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ married Emily’s list is a battleship leftist money bundler. Pulling smaller donations, pooling them, attacking greatest threats IRT. Marelius, You seem busy and mastery of skills is important. Beware putting too much importance on your handyman skills. It’s easy to value yourself based on your skills as you’re good at a lot and have the energy to do it. Might you be unintentionally conditioning Mrs. Marelius to extract ever increasing time talent and treasure from you, turning you into a better Beta? She doesn’t have to put you to work, employing you for her gain, as you do it… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ Marelius

In short, if you answer yes to all your questions, should you still do it?
Do your risk management techniques miss the bigger picture, expose you to a black swan eventin a way, though you’d never know as you’re utterly convinced in the patent command and control?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“The markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”

That applies to the sexual market as well as the financial.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

AR

Yes, directly contradicted by the next statement.

All the reading, and still not working out for you? Can someone explain what “costs me” means in that sentence to AR?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

It is to say that very few of us have put ourselves in position to make mistakes and to learn from them.

What do you mean by “us”, Kimosabe?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Debateable. There was rationality involved in the Chinese Cultural Revolution but mostly it was a burning dumpster fire of emotionality. Ditto the 1930’s Great Purge in the USSR.
Some members of a lynch mob may be proceeding in a rational manner, but that doesn’t mean the mob is rational.

Give him a few years, he’ll get better.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

the man’s desire to maintain some semblance of peace in the household.

This is the nail in the poem that led to the missing horseshoe, that led to the missing horse, that led to the missing rider, lost battle, etc.; and eventually leads to losing the kingdom.

It all starts right there for most BP men. Keep the peace.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Shaun King is now a “victim” for falsely accusing a trooper of sexually molesting some broad. Body cam footage exposed the FRA lie and the “victim’s” attorney apologized, something King has not done.

Scumbags gonna scum.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

President Trump’s Justice Dept. needs to investigate these SJW organizations for violating the RICO laws.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

In short, if you answer yes to all your questions, should you still do it? ABSOLUTELY, because a) I can do it as well or better than someone else, and (probably more importantly) b) I WANT to do it. – see platinum rule These are NOT risk management techniques for me, as I am certain of a successful outcome in any event. YMMV. For me it is merely a prioritization scheme for how to use scarce resources (my time and money). While it is true that I come from a long line of men who were situationally Alpha in the… Read more »

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

@Marelius
Of course there’s the flip side to your decision tree — if you are a skilled professional in some field or another you will see people who can do your job, but mostly people who cannot do your job, should not try to do your job or would completely melt down if they dare try to do your job. Which thankfully they won’t.

@AR
I’m always up for some Raymond Chandler dialogue (“A slice of spumoni wouldn’t have melted on her now”). Make sure you read The Long Goodbye after The Little Sister.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

“It all starts right there for most BP men. Keep the peace.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZSbtpbk1DA
Damn it thats close to home that is…

“Burden of Performance – it never stops.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CTsGievjMU
Burn out…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

If you want to get really skilled in some field or craft, it takes not only hard work and focus and perseverance, but also many experiences where you fail and learn from your failures.

2,953,476 failures and counting

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“I dare say some of you – maybe especially the younger set – should spend less time KJing and more time getting your hands literally dirty. ”

I’m slow. How do dirty hands make me more Alpha?

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

Eh – Clearly you are not slow, but perhaps you have been dulled by too much talk of Game and sex and geopolitics. Alpha is a state of mind, and it is relative to other males. Females merely sense our relative position in this framework, they do not define it. Hard work, dirty hands and mistakes made and recovered from are the proving ground of the Alpha Male. That is where the Alpha is forged, not in the Singles Bar. The Singles Bars are the bazaars that the successful Alphas shop in.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago
EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Marelius,

I like your forceful style. You emit a confident supervisor vibe. Do you find people emulating you generally?

Or more something like this: “I tell them that I’ll help, I have the tools they will need, and they will grow and become a better person for the experience. More often than not they just want me to do it for them, to which I just say No, call a ______ (fill in the blank with the appropriate tradesman).”

scribblerg
scribblerg
4 years ago

It’s @SFC Ton for the win – and I fucking mean it. Young, old – ya gotta get this. “so what would be the best way to handle a rational vs emotional debate/arguement in an LTR? ……. Dump that bitch, bang 10 more” Pithy, yes, but chock-a-block with wisdom. First, note he singles out an LTR. You see, the way women argue is very calculated. If you mapped out your conflicts and noted their tactics, blow by blow, you’d notice that women often win by out-escalating you. They will often do this emotionally. A women will withdraw her love for… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Sentient
All the reading, and still not working out for you? Can someone explain what “costs me” means in that sentence to AR?

This is the “flip of the hair, backturn and walk away, pause by the door to look over a shoulder and hiss ‘You know what I mean‘, then flounce out” moment.

Always funny to watch naturals acting like girls.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Lost Patrol It all starts right there for most BP men. Keep the peace. Keep the peace at any price. How many men are on blood pressure meds, stress relievers, etc. because of their home life where the low-level torture of failed shit tests never stops? Plus this X10 for churchgoing men. Because they have “live in peace with the weaker vessel” plus “love endures all” crammed down their throats for years in the church beta-factories, with all the quotes about submission, respect, etc. never even mentioned, or explained away in grey “mutual submission” goo. Take ordinary men that just… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Addendum: because Heaven forbid that a churchgoing man should act in a manly way that dominates his wife in a loving fashion. The conservative feminists in the churches get much more up in arms about that than anything else, including abortions.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I’m starting to think that letting go of religion ( maybe to come back to it later with a different understanding ) should be a big part of TRP for those men hamstrung by that shit.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

kfg
That applies to the sexual market as well as the financial.

The sexual market is always irrational, to some degree.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Your wives will never respect you if you aren’t fucking another woman, he he.

Funny, just this p.m. Mrs. Gamer playfully accused (half teasing, half not–that perfect liminal space) me of going down on other women, right after I said that her lips had cooties and that she was a sicko. She still wanted to kiss. Probably even more than if she didn’t think that I was doing it with other women.

Mrs. Gamer is so naïve–she thought that the song “Ring My Bell” was about a guy ringing a girl’s doorbell. Naïve girls are lolcows.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

Eh – no, I don’t, but I do find them constantly paying someone else to mind their shit for them – and I realize now that also includes their wives.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“I realize now that also includes their wives.”

deets.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

“I’m starting to think that letting go of religion ( maybe to come back to it later with a different understanding ) should be a big part of TRP for those men hamstrung by that shit.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPJBd7gniw
100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeCUFvZFYk
Starchild Behold the salvation of Self…

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

marelius May 25, 2018 at 4:55 pm Eh – no, I don’t, but I do find them constantly paying someone else to mind their shit for them – and I realize now that also includes their wives. EhIntellect May 25, 2018 at 5:43 pm “I realize now that also includes their wives.” deets. Red Pill 101: You don’t lean in to your wife any more than she deserves for value added. But you don’t hesitate to pay your wife for value added. Because it is no big deal and a better deal than the alternative. Guess what the alternative is?… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

AR and Blax

Plus this X10 for churchgoing men.

Yes, that is a place that will generally be working against any efforts to manifest positive masculinity.

I’m starting to think that letting go of religion ( maybe to come back to it later with a different understanding ) …

There is wisdom in this. A man ought not conflate faith with religion, as they are often at cross purposes.

scribblerg
scribblerg
4 years ago

RE: @Anonymous “because Heaven forbid that a churchgoing man should act in a manly way that dominates his wife in a loving fashion.” Giggling. “loving fashion” of dominance? Dominance is not ‘loving’. You may love the person you are dominating, or not, but dominance is not an innately emotional thing. In fact, you are emoting like a women when you write this, trying to somehow set yourself apart from the brutes who are just dominant. This is such a great example of a how a femcentric mindset internalizes his own masculinity. I do have to watch how much comfort versus… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

But you don’t hesitate to pay your wife for value added. Because it is no big deal and a better deal than the alternative.

Remember CH’s 2/3 rule. Only give a woman 2/3 of what she gives you. Keep her chasing and hungry for more.

scribblerg
scribblerg
4 years ago

Re: #MeToo – The saddest thing about this movement isn’t the women all trying to get in on it – any Red Pill man shocked by this should have to turn in his RP membership card. It’s the sexual behavior of so many pathetic beta males. Look at how disgusting and abusive they are, this is what women are complaining about. When I hear many of these #MeToo stories I see frustrated Blue Piled Beta males trying to ape alpha behavior without any sense of how to seduce a woman, or worse, just plain coercion and assault. While I’m a… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Dominance is not ‘loving’.”

Finally something I can comment on with authority.

Get ready….

Utter bullshit.

Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
4 years ago

Agree with scribblers but add: the Morgan Freeman thing is a new feint to see if alpha widows can start taking out those who have righteously horndogged their way to glory and the gals who got left behind want to get even by a show of getting the vapors over it ten years after. Because when you look at his “sins” they’re just variations of “he was mean to me.” In those cases there is none of the Harvey or Louie beta game of fuck me I have money you’re welcome. So watch how that plays out. If it does… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
4 years ago

Re: Morgan Freeman – He’s a fucking pig. Did you read the stories of long running, overt sexual harassment in the wide open over years with numerous women? Lifting up their skirts when they clearly don’t enjoy it. And he didn’t deny any of it – he came out and issued a blanket apology immediately. Case closed. @Fred – Is that okay with you? Go read the stories, it wasn’t an occasional pass or momentary flirtations. He was abusive and exploitative and coercive with many women. It was another open knowledge kind of thing Jesus, Hollywood is a fucking mess.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
4 years ago

@Eh – I addressed your comment in the previous but didn’t call it out clearly. Do you get what I mean?

j
j
4 years ago

“He’s a fucking pig. Did you read the stories of long running, overt sexual harassment in the wide open over years with numerous women? Lifting up their skirts when they clearly don’t enjoy it.”

Wasn’t he just following Sentient’s Platinum Rule? 😉

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J

Well it’s not mutually exclusive. The Platinum Rule offers no guarantee d outcome other than you living for you.

The question for Morgan is “was your behaviour based on what you wanted to do or based on what you felt you had to do because there was no other way, because you lack the ability or mentality to do things the way you really wanted?”.

Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
4 years ago

I’d not kept up on Morgan Freeman, saw the latest, ok yeah it’s bad. Point conceded. As of two days ago it was just he’s mean to me, But then more gals came forward, what they say gels, there is only WHAT IS, sucks to be him. Maybe he can go back to voiceover work. But I stand by the rest of my thesis, as it’s verifiable, not me saying it, the rumblings are starting, we will see if the alpha dawg shamings stick and all of a sudden entire artist catalogs disappear. And I don’t mean genuine documented scum… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

The Platinum Rule test is the apology. Cosby has not apologized as far as I know.

No gaurantees…

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

If a man has to think about, be aware of, practice aspects of a thing, he is not that thing. #metoo deserves a hard and harsh pushback. End of story. We are witnessing get another paradigm shift right before our eyes, and super beta faux alpha practitioners will continuously assist to giving oxygen to this Frankenstein monster in the making. Asshats like Harvey can be sorted out via evidence in courts. The problem is the rules are being changed mid game for nefarious purposes. R. Kelly and Louie CK are not the same thing. I listened to an interview with… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

….. Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Sentient

I thing dpa confuses guys because they lack a solid core. They need to understand themselves fully first, before engaging the Platinum Rule. Get sorted, engage platinum – not the other way around.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

How could you understand yourself Blax unless you first accepted your own agency? How would they throw off the yoke?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Society puts up enough guardrails – negative reinforcement – of collectivly detrimental actions. Murder, actual rape, DWI etc.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

No Paltinum Dessert for you until you clean your room.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

With all these #metoo accusations, especially Freeman, you have to consider the context. Was there some flirtation from the women before the alleged “creepy behavior”? Or was Freeman properly calibrating the situation? I can remember when a girl pulled her dress up to prove to me that she wasn’t wearing panties. But I didn’t pull it up. (She did it on the side. It wasn’t awkward.) If Freeman pulled up a girl’s skirt, did he do it high enough to “show her stuff” or did he just barely raise it to mess with her? Context. Most of these broads are… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@scribblerg – cool stories, bro. Always amusing when you discover something new that no one else has ever seen such as “wildlife” or “firearms”. Do bear in mind that not everyone has the same collection of mental issues as you, ok? Blaximus #metoo deserves a hard and harsh pushback. End of story. We are witnessing get another paradigm shift right before our eyes, and super beta faux alpha practitioners will continuously assist to giving oxygen to this Frankenstein monster in the making. Did you notice the list of entities that Sentient rolled out the other day, all involved in fundraising… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“In a way, #MeeToo is just bringing the 1990’s HR ruleset into the entertainment biz.”

Have to agree with this. Watching some tape of Morgan and his playfull interviews, the take away is “captive audience”… Would be no different from a boss and a subordinate. Morgan’s was not Platinum Rule mindset cut lose… Those bitches would be nowhere near him but for the paid gig between them.

At best he is a useful dupe for this shit.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rollo has an important tweet up about Jordan Peterson:

https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1000103145433780224

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ scrib.

Yes. Sounds good.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Novelist Phil Roth died the other day.”

Yeah. I’m going to miss Tom Wolfe.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

You say that as though Phil Roth was just…chopped liver…

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Naaaaaaaaah, chopped liver doesn’t annoy me at all.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Rollo has an important tweet up about Jordan Peterson.” Yeah, I’m not so sure. The author is terribly biased. As in super Leftist faculty member (Lol: “Marxism is a respectable political and philosophical tradition.” Good luck with that.) with a transgender child. Freaking out and “kept up at night” because he doesn’t know what Jordan Peterson might say or what he is actually up to. It’s pretty obvious what Jordan Peterson is up to: to uphold his bias in a Blue Pill fashion to uphold social order in a new world disorder of leftist post-modernism. Vox Day is terribly biased.… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

SJF, agree on JP article, highly biased. JP in context of being a blue pilled canadian is doing well to stand up against the mysandric sanctions they are imposing at educational levels even though his one time advocate and freind doesn’t believe so.There is no secret the feminists have taken over education at almost every level, the media as well will produce anything with the Feminist slant. This is the likely cause of the authors child’s transgender decision and him being canadian progressive,ill equipped to argue for what is right. It is quite possible JP’s wife had a 5min till… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

For all his education JP is a useful tool.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
4 years ago

Since someone brought up 80 YO Morgan Freeman’s current dilemma and loss of his various spokesvoice deals (thanks to his terrible troublesome past history of flirting, flattering, sexual innuendo, finger on a skirt?) … Here is another bloke who is not doing too poorly for himself As I sit here watching the NBA WC final on TV, simultaneously listening to Marv Albert, it suddenly hits me how fukced up this 2018 #metoo culture has become. Marvin is 77 now and the following occurred when he was 56. The youngins <30 won't remember these 1997 #metoo moments. "February 11, 1997, 1:30… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago
O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

@ajax Marv Albert is a fascinating example, a harbinger of the metoo era. The bottom line is he did pay a price — but it was just a 12-month suspended sentence. He pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery charges, while the sodomy charge was dropped. NBC did fire him but brought him back after two years. And does anyone still care? The main difference I can see is that he was a one-of-a-kind revolutionary talent in his particular high-profile profession. He was a hero to NY sports fans from the minute he picked up a radio microphone at a… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Harvey Weinstein, Marv Albert and Phillip Roth all share a similarity around the tribal identity thing. Louis CK (though mix-breed) too.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
4 years ago

@O.B.I.T.

Interesting point. Perhaps re-emphasizing the necessity for a man to maximize his unique talent(s) within his various tribes?

In the corporate world, this advice is often referred to as “make yourself indispensable to your employer.”

Perhaps with Marv Albert the equivalent term is: Too good to fail.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Maybe circa 1990’s it was: Marv Albert = too tribal to fail

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

So many lols

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5753863/Elizabeth-Holmes-faked-baritone-voice-secretly-dated-COO-20-years-senior.html

Fake deep voice, pathological liar and dating her 20 year older COO…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5776157/NXIVM-cult-leader-Keith-Raniere-kissed-lips-says-former-recruiter.html

A “sociopathic nut job” who was charming… Bonus girl on girl naked spanking and locking in cage video allegations…

https://pagesix.com/2018/05/20/woman-alleges-mario-batali-drugged-sexually-assaulted-her-inside-rape-room/

I blacked out kissing him so it doesn’t count 💋 aka he drugged me.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

But Sentient, “the future is female!”. I read it on a sign ina picture on da Intertubes, must be true.

Doubly so with true genius girls like LIzzy Holmes running medical research…

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

Holmes may be a fraud through and through but the voice thing? Most people use different voices for different situations — that’s a social skill, not really fraud in the Rachel Dolezal sense. But once the media turns on you, nothing is too trivial to pick away at.

I’ve always said that a woman’s voice and manner of speech is a crucial vetting point for me. If she can do a convincing baritone when the time is right, hey that’s a good thing!

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

… And as far as the “tribal” thing (in the negative way Wild Man brings it up), I just want to say Thank God for the occasional non-Jewish pervs like Battali, Cosby and Kevin Spacey. I’m in the odd situation of being unidentifiable as a Jew, so I hear a lot of trash-talk about Jews. Unfortunately, to some extent the stereotypes are self-inflicted. Someday someone with the insight of a Rollo or Scott Alexander will look into this pervy-Jew phenomenon. They seem not like fellow tribesmen to me but people from a distant planet — I’m really at a loss… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Kind of funny how a girl shit tested me in an improv group. She set the stage of our little story as me getting ready for my colonoscopy…she gave me laxative to drink (figuratively, not really)…so, of course, when the laxative took effect, I had to shit…so I shitted with all the explosive noises…and everyone roared… Another time the same girl set up a hopscotch game that I had to do with her…all that jumping and hopping and bouncing isn’t my thing…more shit testing…lol… Another girl at the same event was snipping my male puppy’s tubes…visually, lol…with a smirk on… Read more »

Paul
Paul
4 years ago

@Rollo

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. – Proverbs 3:5

“This scripture is an example of the conflict between emotionalism and the rationalism”

No it’s not. You’re interpreting ‘heart’ as the seat of only emotions, and ‘understanding’ as being a rational process, which is not the meaning of these words according to dictionaries of the original language, but an anachronistic interpretation.

Paul
Paul
4 years ago

@Rollo: “If we could depend on an unbiased, unadulterated form of reason the Rational process would be a superior methodology.”

No it would not. This has been known in mathematics since the days of Kurt Goedel. Furthermore, multiple philosophers have addressed the impossibility of lack of bias, or more properly formulated, the impossibility to logically reduce assumptions.

The beauty of course is that rational thinking has shown us the limits of rational thinking.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Paul – your comment – “Furthermore, multiple philosophers have addressed the impossibility of lack of bias, or more properly formulated, the impossibility to logically reduce assumptions.” Yes – it’s the postmodernist claim that everything is relative. Which appears (from every angle, every vantage – haha!) to be true (as long as you not be so dumb as to fail to seek out appreciation of alternative perspectives). The singular vantage melts into the multitude (perhaps the infinitude) of vantages. And the logic of this (as you are pointing out) as to why this melting is defacto? Well – it’s because the… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Wildman Just because postmodern philosophers make some valid arguments against rationalism doesn’t mean that we have to drink the postmodern bathwater that all positions are equal. Throwing out Rationalism doesn’t require abandoning research and tech. Postmodernism is useful for bringing us down to earth and making us look harder at our methods and claims. I tend to view all “scientific” claims with extreme skepticism where no human eyes saw the alleged events in question because 1) there’s a whoooole lotta confidence that comes from being able to interact with physical laws real-time and control the experimental parameters in the lab… Read more »

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