Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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j
j
4 years ago

Skills said that he’s noticed a drop in the number of down to fuck girls (guys would ignore girls that were giving them resistance (need Game with a capital G to SNL those) and go for the easier girls (freebies) in club. (I starting going out in 2015, so I’m going by what the club enviornment was like pre-tinder and post-tinder – Skills and Teevster). Now there aren’t many of those freebies out (so screening for DTF girls is a shit method now)…and you actually need Game with a capital G to close most girls (again there are still girls… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

J , Still trying to relate,there may have been a couple of women that let me go after four or five bangs. For the most part they all wanted to keep me for their ownership dick.
I am more interested in ONS game.

j
j
4 years ago

Remember what @fox said on the previous page:

“And i never considered myself as having beta traits ’cause of my long history of banging success. But that’s all in the past now, and it was a fool’s gold anyways.”

and the current page:

“always worked for me back in the day, gaming younger chicks. I’d just tell them that i wanted to fuck them, and more often than not it worked.”

…those were freebies

j
j
4 years ago

@boulderhead

“I am more interested in ONS game.”

One Night Stand game is fun (if you crave variety) AFTER you have a main chick (I don’t remember where I posted it, but guys need emotional connection. Fucking a bunch of random girls that you never intend on seeing again and then being alone Mon-Fri (I don’t mean living with them, but like you can’t them to come over cause you didn’t bother to exchange numbers) + not having chicks to send silly memes with sucks tbh – but maybe that’s just me lol

boulderhead
4 years ago

“One Night Stand game is fun (if you crave variety)
AFTER you have a main chick. Thats where I am.

(I don’t remember where I posted it, but guys need emotional connection”
Maybe but not to the point of suffocation,anyhow the emotional is her way of connecting to me it’s a con game she plays up to me with trying to get “inside controll”.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

I guess critical thinking is no longer a thing…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aitgtJEipRk

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

It should be simpler, no? Go for what you want. If you get it the way you want it (including the price you need to pay), that’s grand. If not or it has stopped working for you, look for a way to improve. Tweak your behavior, try different angles, act to learn. Anything beyond that is unnecessary rambling and ego massaging… dog logic imperative… lol Well… …with one exception: “there is nothing so practical as a good theory” (Kurt Lewin). Why? Because you don’t want to end up operating within the limited Ptolemaic worldview knowing that Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Archie @Sentient
It’s a fascinating hobby.

This.

I don’t see these things as routines to memorise to get laid (I don’t remember them in the moment to spit them out! lol). They rezonate at a completely different level.

WestIndianArchie
4 years ago
fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

“I’ve been hooking up with a lot of girls on a high level (in my opinion) 9+’s but they slip through the cracks eg) 1-4 meets were sex happens every time. it’s like their interest is super fickle and they stop returning my texts even though initial they were pulled in like a magnet… hmm what I don’t think it is 1) fucking them well. (I made a few of them squirt and multiple orgasm for sure) so I think sex wise I get it done 2) too player or too needy. (I don’t think it’s this either cause I… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Blax, J and everyone interested:
reviving these
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-75/#comment-245641

And the following comment by Blax.
I’m thinking of trying this stuff (also wondering about cutting stuff with soy and possibly milk and stuff with whey, posted on current main thread).

Ashwaghandha seems to be meant to help you sleep though?

j
j
4 years ago

@IRL @Fox “There’s nothing so practical as good INTERNALIZED fundamentals. ” “Go deeper, find something that encapsulates both, old and new.” ——————————————— NikStar “Hello all, I am a returning AFC from long time of absence for one reason or another I lost my PUA way and now I want back because of the life I used to have was 10 times better when I was practising the art of seduction. My history was practising MM for 1 year and then went on to do a really direct approach instead of indirect and the results started pouring down from the sky.… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

Also reviving this link by @J, who replied when I asked for advice on how to do anal some months ago…

https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-77/#comment-246885

I’m re-reading it as I think I’ll need to call upon this knowledge soon.

I have coconut oil… It doesn’t always play nice with condoms though. I have some minor concern about STDs for that reason.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

IAS

Don’t over think… Lube up, loosen her up a little, have at it.

j
j
4 years ago

@IAS

yeah latex condoms will break using coconut oil as lube. use water based or silcone based lubes instead. Don’t worry about STDs.

Here’s some recommendation lubes for anal sex:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/carolinekee/slip-n-slide-into-the-bedroom?utm_term=.rv3P58M2w#.st5Rm1Wx8

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

Never worry about condoms, and no chicks over the journey ever request them. Now that, gentlemen, is desire sex…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Never worry about condoms and you can be sure you’ll be the victim of child-support rape.

Osiris Welsh
Osiris Welsh
4 years ago

Insert Eddie Murphy clip about rolling your dick like dice on a dice table until you crap out and your dick is fucked up.

Question: what’s the fascination with raw dogging a strange chick in 2018?

j
j
4 years ago

FR pulled a girl that I made cancel her uber and take a taxi with me instead (second week in a row of doing this – last week I closed). I don’t remember of what I opened with but I accused her of lying about her answer “you lying piece of shit” (line I use all the time to spike and get shit tested) “did you just call me a piece of shit??” (perfect 😉 ) “yes I prefer honest girls. I don’t like liars. be honest with me” (strong dominant frame) “so where are all your friends?”, I ask.… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Osiris Welsh

“what’s the fascination with raw dogging a strange chick in 2018?”

Don’t do it!! you’ll never want to use a condom ever again! haha

scars
scars
4 years ago

I’ve only used a condom with one of my lays and that’s ‘cos she was super insistent (the Czech girl from a few months back). Most don’t seem to care at all.
Anyway, i’m off out to try my luck. I’ve not been out in like 2 weeks and feeling pretty out of it, but we’ll see how we go. Good luck to anyone trying to get laid tonight!! @j

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Most don’t seem to care at all.

Cuz if she gets preggy, she gets to child-support rape your ass, lol.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Most of these young guys are so fucking stupid, lol. YaReally knew better. He used a fake persona.

j
j
4 years ago

– alpha males get hot girls preggy – alpha male disappear…goes get another hot girl preggy…rinse repeat – preggy girl selects from one of hundreds of her beta male cuck orbiters to help her raise the alpha baby. beta cuck would be more than happy to help. Views it as an “honor” actually: http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0519fb44112e581564018d639129fd30efac9-wm.jpg – U.S birth rates go way up (career womyn leave their careers to raise the baby, while the cuck provides the income) with alpha gene babies instead of beta gene babies thanks to alpha males raw dogging dem club sloots. – Beta might want to make… Read more »

Pinelero
Pinelero
4 years ago

@J — you are a true patriot! Now if you can beat the $130 DNA test your strategy will work.

Would you care more about your son-in-law, your daughter, or your grand-children in this situation? I myself would care more about my grand-children and then my girls, as I’m not blood to a son-in-law.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

J, do you seriously think that most of these guys would use a fake persona so that they could disappear?

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Banging lots of chicks? Lots of ons and who action? Wear a condom. Be wise .

Not so much about pregnancy. Most women aren’t getting pregnant.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Snl, not ” who “.

Sure y’all ain’t banging Rodger daultrey.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“gives me this very business-like handshake.” On handshake game I destroyed a lawyer girl once who did the very businesslike handshake. Wrote FR on that one. Just mocked her false switch to man mode while pumping her hand. Then demonstrated how a woman should shake hands. All done in front of people… Her jaw agape. Few other variations – The Crusher – fake wince and act like she is crushing your hand. Ow ow ow… Holy shit! What a grip… You hang chandeliers for a living! Damn… I think you broke my hand…. All while never releasing her hand. If… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

need advice on this. I’ve been a pretty shitty (read: selfish) wing for most of my time picking up women. so I don’t know what’s the move here. last night I was fucking killing it. My style was on point (fitted T-shirt, slim black chinos, cool necklace – in a club with literally every guy in oxford button downs, thought I wasn’t getting in cause its a high end spot but the bouncer liked my look) My game was good as usual (fingered two girls that were friends, one after the other (second girl actually pushed the first girl (which… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@J: without having 1st hand experience, I think you did well in the moment but you should clarify with the wing next time what is acceptable, before the situation arises again.

scars
scars
4 years ago

Dunno but I was ‘your wing’ last night lol. I opened and was trying to game some hot blonde, but she totally fancied my wing and thought he was really good looking, and she literally pounced on him and dragged him home. Mofo didn’t even need ‘game’ lol. (he’s actually quite an awkward dude) I’m feeling jelly!!

j
j
4 years ago

oh yea, with the girls I fingered, I made the second girl (shorter than the first girl) feel my dick through my pants. and she was like “thats so big”. and then I lean in to talk to her ear, “that’s why I want to give it to your friend…because you won’t be able to handle it…” should have stayed with them tbh. cause after I left to take a piss, I did not see them again.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“so if a sexy chick likes me (that I like as well) more than she likes my wing who he’s trying to persist with to no avail…what’s the move?”

It’s his call. Your job is to make him succeed.
Wing rules… Iceman v Maverick..

Another reason wings are pretty useless overall…

j
j
4 years ago

@scars haha brutal bro “he’s actually quite an awkward dude” So use this to your advantage. bring girls to him and then be 1% cooler than him. (she wants to fuck the most coolest, dominant, sexy guy she could get (which is demonstrated via behavior), not the most handsomest guy) “Hey my friend over there thinks you’re cute. I think he’s pretty good looking but he’s kind of shy tho, so don’t make fun of him or anything or else” smirking. “come on” grab her hand and bring her to him. Then introduce them then leave to get a drink… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@scars

“@keyser Soze
“What makes you think that good looking guys have no game !!?”

YaReally

I’ve never said that. But it’s very common for good looking guys to not have game because they’re bought into the idea that their looks will make up for it. And they will, as long as there’s no obstacles, no interference, no other guys with game coming into their set, and the girl makes the moves.”

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/10/#comment-rationalmale-123525

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“Your job is to make him succeed.”

yeah i forgot, after this part:

“moves away from him to open me and he gets pissed off (that’s my set what are you doing?)”

I actually pushed her off of me and turned her around to face my wing and said “dance with my friend he’s cool (or a good dancer I forget)” but I actually think that just made her want me more instead lmao

scars
scars
4 years ago

@J – Yeah, I actually did kind of try to do the thing where you tell the girl ”he’s a nice guy” kind of thing in order to make him sound boring without coming over as obviously trying to fuck it up for him lol. But she was just too into him for anything to work I feel. I gave it my best shot after opening her and stuff in order to get her into me, but she was talking about her ‘type’ and that’s when she noticed him and was like ”Oh my God! HE is what I want!”… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Scars “it’s just so hard to fuck it up when a girl think you’re hot and it was the easiest pull i’ve ever had, despite her being the hottest girl i’ve ever banged” Upthread I said: “there are still girls that go out just for dick. You can close those chicks in under 10 minutes – ask me how I know).” DTF girl (freebie) + you happen to be her type = screening game. don’t-fuck-it-up game. Don’t gotta do much. Just escalate and pull (I’ve pulled a lot of girls this way). But its random. Not consistent at all. and… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

RSD is what helped me bang all the chicks I banged from 2015 – late 2017 only 6s my first year. second year was mostly were HB7s with some HB8s and 1 HB9 third year (when I started posting here) was a lot of HB7s and a couple more 8s and 9s late 2017 is when I discovered Bacchus, Teevster and Gunwitch and I was like damn this is way more advance shit than what I was doing before. Wow so THIS is what Game is. and this is where I’m currently at in 2018. Finally turning down HB7s (I… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

There are no “freebies”, there are just DHVs.

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient freebie = came out specifically looking for dick (Blax has confirmed this…I noticed it too, but never said anything about it, because my frame (brainwashing myself) going into the club was that “every girl in this club is super horny and wants my dick” – which is obviously not true). You know it’s a freebie when as she’s usually pretty receptive to guys that approach her (unless your a complete creep), but will be very receptive to guy who is her ideal type) Think about it. why would a girl give any resistance to a guy (who is her… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@j so if a sexy chick likes me (that I like as well) more than she likes my wing who he’s trying to persist with to no avail…what’s the move? You know the answer to that. The move ‘starts’ before you go out. I actually think that just made her want me more instead lmao Are you ready to be 1% less cool than your buddy? Are you willing to do something to lower your value in a girl’s eyes (and probably in the eyes of other girls around) to help him get her? Why are you out together? BTW,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

j came out specifically looking for dick Why do they come out at all? To dance? for ‘fun”? lol Look at which girls aren’t going out [especially to clubs. bars] – ones not looking for dick. Just because you don’t realize it doesn’t mean it’s not happening… because my frame (brainwashing myself) going into the club was that “every girl in this club is super horny and wants my dick” – which is obviously not true They are out looking… it’s limbic and unconscious… I mean Game works because it is evo science based, you can’t stop it short. You… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

If I was to say whether he’d lower his value to let me (or another buddy) get a girl, I’d hesitate. Probably not. Maybe only if we had a specific goal to help someone get laid. But even then if he was into a girl, he’d take her for himself. It’s a constant challenge for him, always going for the win. He’s like an animal, always on. At the same time, he’d love it if he lost. That would make for a great story in his eyes, no hard feelings. Respect the skills. Competition. It’s what we do. This is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

comments seem to be getting stuck these days…

j
j
4 years ago

@IRL @Sentient “It’s a constant challenge for him, always going for the win. He’s like an animal, always on. At the same time, he’d love it if he lost.” Yeah this is me. I’d love to I have a wing as sociopathic as me (maybe not tho…cause we’d get arrested every night…lol) but my wing is really a nice guy deep down no matter how much he tries to fake it. I’d lose him as a wing if I’d steal his girls (which I’ve done in the past many times with other wings…even fucked their fuckbuddies behind their back…. Like… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient I don’t how many mistresses you currently have (if any lol) but the girls that I’ve kept long term (from 4 months to 2 years) were all girls that I ran beautiful game with (and fucked very well…cause that shits important for retention especially with the younger chicks as @fleezer explained upthread) The girls that I pulled fast (because she was specifically (aka not just unconsciously but consciously (don’t need to flip her) looking for sex that night) I’d only managed a ONS with. Cause they weren’t looking for anything further. But I didnt really care cause I didn’t… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J

I think you are missing cause and effect here.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Everyone: I’m having some difficulties opening in general situations when I see a hottie (@Culum hello!) Basically I can very easily open if I come up with a situational opener (e.g. today there was a woman with two umbrellas, that was easy for me I just asked her why), genuinely have something to ask (like directions), but otherwise I start buffering… This is a general difficulty, I think Culum struggles with that as well… I guess part of the genius of the old school opinion opener. Should I default to a “canned” opinion opener or just grow some (bigger) balls… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@IAS

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/324510-best-openers/page2

I like the ones from SexualHero and Bacchus on page 2.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

IAS

The point of the opener is just to be proximate and engage. Don’t worry about the opener doing any more than that. “Hey” is a reliable opener, easy to remember, easy to execute.

j
j
4 years ago

“You can open anything you want” Ehh I guess, but I prefer to be unique. That line IAS quoted: “Hi, I saw you wanted to come talk to you”? has been used by soooo many rookie PUAs that its very likely she’s heard it before (if you’re in a Big City) and may trigger an instant bad memories via association with those uncalibrated day gamers (kind of like a guy opening “hows your night going” – which is the #1 go-to opener chodes like to use in bars -automatic chode associations – unless your extremely good looking). I want to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

If your just buffering, which you are, keep it simple. Less to get in the way.

“hey”

When you know what you are doing, not afraid etc. you can use the opener to set up the set…

“So…. this is the part of the night where we make small talk and pretend not to flirt with each other”

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Palma

LOL

Similar in spirit, used “Hey you! I know you! [which they hear a lot and think is BS, this “oh here we go another one” is the setup] Yeah… You borrowed $20 bucks from me two weeks ago! Pay up!”

j
j
4 years ago

@palma

haha nice one! believe or not, some girls will always remember how you opened them. Be unique

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

I like your setup gambit. nice

reminded me of this scene

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Loved Austin Powers… J you are a cocky asshole so you might like this one too “I saw you keep looking over at me so I thought I’d make it easier for you by coming over here… Not THAT easy though… Ya gotta romance me still.” after the dust settles you can transition to “so what are you drinking?” “Here give me a sip” early compliance test… then lock in and go. with a combustible open you can always back off it a bit with “ahhh come on… I’m just fucking with you, I just wanted to say hey” and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

from Rollo’s twitter…

Something to think about when considering “shitty” logistics…

https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1009472016305385473

j
j
4 years ago

Sharing my wing’s street game wing’s LR (the pickup coach I mentioned on the last page that has a high post lay flake rate) 22 yr old model, 45 mins street game pull: “Was walking around in the blazing heat & [his wing’s name] my close wing who does ultra polarizing game aka Julien style. There was literally no attractive women out. I was pissed and horny lol. After [area] sucked. I went back to [tourist area] and saw this golden brown skinned Latina. Which is my weakness. She was outside of Whole Foods. The body Lang/Open – I got… Read more »

Mckay
Mckay
4 years ago

Wow, he sounds direct as hell! Is he especially good looking? Banging a model with ‘game’ like that suggests he’s model good looking himself. Would Mystery call that FR/LR ‘fools mate’ out of interest? Sounds like the ‘anti MM method’ lol. Fun to read though. Interesting how contrasting coaches game is from each other.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@j: a hot girl, 7 months without dick?
WTF… Probably not true.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

McKay

“She stared at me hard”

These things can work, but you don’t hear about the AI or IOIs going on before the open. They get glossed over.

But still inconsistent.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

IAS

Totally believable. Contrary to the narrative there are tons of girls who don’t sleep around a lot… Tend to go serial mono.

And not a lot of alpha out there or conditions to keep it out of her social circle.

And we also have “sexual camels”…

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Or maybe not. One thing I’ve noticed over the past 10 years or more, is that lots of girls that are considered ” hot”( and even more that are not ), have a proliferation of sex toys and dildos as society/FI has pretty effectively removed and social stigma that might’ve been attached prior. Add to that the fact that most women don’t go into ” horny mode ” the same way that men do – testosterone – chicks can forgo sex without distress longer than men can, especially when no makes around her spark interest or desire. Lol, the last… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Jesus save me from spellchecker.

User control, not used control.

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

I’m continuing discussion from Incels

What do i want? I guess that would be Death and Rebirth but that’s not really achievable. I’m undergoing therapy (almost 8 months) but nothing changes. It’s really hard to unlearn old Beta ways but it’s not possible to go back into those days.

@marelius

Thank you for advice. I guess my most neglected aspect is sexuality but i just dont know how to approach it.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Jonas

Death and rebirth is an option, just not physical death and rebirth. You can ” kill ” aspects of life that are not conducive to moving yourself forward.

It’s possible to remake and rebuild yourself into whatever you wish. You’re experiencing the confusion about what the better you would be and how to get there.

Effort always pays.

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

@Blaximus

Yeah, I think it’s the Abyss. Although, i dont think it’s an easy task to kill those aspects because they’ve been with me so long.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Everyone about the 7 month “drought” girl – my plate claimed almost one year (and I actually do believe her), but that is (at least apparently) a shy girl who doesn’t go out at night very often. The girl in the LR is an allegedly 8 going to high scale clubs on the regular. It is hard to believe she didn’t get opened and seduced by at least a contextual alpha) for 7 whole months…

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol. Guys don’t approach hot girls in massive numbers like you might think ( shouting across the street at them doesn’t count) and many that do approach don’t have very much to say.

Don’t get me wrong, not chicks get tons of attention, and they mostly like the attention as it boosts up their esteem to stratospheric levels, but don’t conflate this with endless sex for them. It’s only endless opportunity under the right circumstances with what she perceives as ” the right guy “.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“It’s really hard to unlearn old Beta ways.” Yes it is. You would think someone has thought about that concept before and developed a praxeology to deal with it……. “I guess my most neglected aspect is sexuality but i just dont know how to approach it.” Well, for a start there’s always the old method of being attractive, don’t be unattractive. You know that gaming girls is easier if you don’t have to do the hard work. In other words: Have them be desirous of you rather than vice versa. How do you do that? You could always try 100%… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Jonas

The thing about the abyss is that it’s better to be staring into it than staring out of it from the bottom. Opportunity knocking.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

IAS

One other thing, high end clubs can also be filled with beta chodes with ZERO game. Target rich environment with no sharp shooters.

marelius
4 years ago

“I guess my most neglected aspect is sexuality but i just dont know how to approach it.” Well, for a start there’s always the old method of being attractive, don’t be unattractive. That is a good place to start, but still a very broad category. I suggest you narrow it down to something that you have direct and immediate control over. Are you overweight or skinny/fat? Do you have impeccable personal hygiene, do you re-wear dirty clothes or do you launder them after you wear them before they start to smell? Do you eat poorly? Is it because you don’t… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

@SJF Genetics is not on my side to give an edge in dating scene. @Blaximus Its easier to apply red pill if you have beta experience. It still hurts that i’ve bought into lies in school and uni when there’s the most chance to change yourself. @marelius I could lose some weight like 80 lbs and im losing on my own. I guess my most persistent mindset is that im ashamed that i might become a sexual person and im “living” in some sort of latent psychological stage. I couldnt establish intimacy even if my life would depend on it.… Read more »

marelius
4 years ago

@Jonas, are you saying you think you are 80 pounds overweight for your height? If so, that is definitely where I would suggest you focus your energy. Do you know someone who can begin coaching you for meal planning and target calories/macros? Taking that weight off and adjusting your diet will yield really significant emotional benefits after you grind through the first month of new patterns. Just narrow your focus to that specific activity, and stop thinking about the whole sex/approaching girls thing for the moment. Its time to start making this journey all about YOU for the benefit of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Cosign

Jonas

Don’t sorry about the past. There are no time machines.

Any man is capable of changing his mindset and outlook at practically any age, if he’s willing to apply himself with a goal in mind.I

I always way that as long as your breathing, there’s a chance, and a chance is all you’ll need.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Take spellchecker for instance. Lol.

It seems like it’s trying to destroy me, but I’ll just keep on typing….

j
j
4 years ago

@McKay Nah. Dude is above average (like me). Lean built. Shaved head. Bearded. His students are better looking yet don’t pull as much as him. Stop this you must be insanely good looking to pickup model tier girls shit bro. Max out your looks (product), then work on your technical game (marketing). But This direct style is definitely limited to specific types of girls. He goes out 4 days a week street gaming while I go out only weekends and yet I pull more than him. He doesn’t seem to mind tho. @blax “high end clubs can also be filled… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

IAS

What happened with blue dress girl?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Jonad

Post did not go through…

Talk to girls. That’s the main thing for you.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Sentient “Talk to girls. That’s the main thing for you.” About that. Let me float something by you. I had a pet “uncle SJF” theory. Theory because I don’t have any reference experience in social awkwardness (I wasn’t, my wife wasn’t and neither were the two of my kids and we were attractive) So I don’t know about this, but I dreamed it up. But say someone was like Jonas. Or a formerly more nerdy kid in high school going to college. And say that in order to have some confidence in gaining competence he does what I would call:… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

@marelius

Yeah, i’ll concentrate on losing weight and acquiring new eating “patterns” for this moment. I just hope that i wont relapse into eating once stress increases.

@Blaximus

You’re right but it seems hard to believe that one can change his life after wasting the most psychologically impactful years.

@Sentient

Talk? Talk is not THAT hard for me ( it actually is) but i my problem areas are establishing intimacy ( touching and etc.) and viewing sex as nasty and unappealing thing.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Jonad

Talk is not THAT hard for me ( it actually is)

See? What is the easiest thing on your list to do? Talk to girls. Why won’t you do it?

Because you’re scared.

Until you cross this Rubicon, none of the rest is going to matter…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

SJF I don’t know if you can flesh that out further. It’s been fleshed out further… All the newbie drills are stair stepped. But you have to take that first step… MYSTERY’S NEWBIE MISSION • Go out gaming four nights per week for four hours each night. • Make an average of three approaches per hour. This schedule allows for a good twenty minutes per approach. That adds up to twelve approaches per night—which is forty-eight per week and close to two hundred per month. (Chapter 5 covers the art of approaching.) Within a year, you will have approached more… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Process over outcome… PROCESS OVER OUTCOME A Venusian artist goes into the field night after night primarily to improve his calibration and to internalize his skill set. You’re not trying to “get this one girl” or even “get laid tonight,” Rather, you practice with the long-term goal of having a powerful social skill set in the future, one you may confidently turn on in times of need, When you don’t need it, you don’t use it. When you do, you’re ready. You cannot allow the outcome of any given approach to carry much significance, at least until you reach the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrzVrUqr8nY

Talking ain’t doing. The game is played in the field.

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

@Sentient

It might sound like an excuse but theres no point in talking with girls to me – i dont feel that i can be a lover (i cant see myself as a sexual person) nor im interested in having a girl as a friend. Basically i’d have to talk myself into interacting with girls because of lack of interest.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

i dont feel that i can be a lover

Then why are you here?

You would feel different if a girl reciprocated interest in you. That is only going to happen from talking to them.

Otherwise, well just go about your unhappy life. No need to lose weight, work out, do anything.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“You would feel different if a girl reciprocated interest in you.” The heart of the matter. Sex is scary for a virgin. It’s scary for a girl to have sex with a man. The same parts of the brain that feel “out of control” are the same parts that process fucking or loving. Sex is nasty, it’s not unappealing at all. It is fun and pleasurable. It’s release from constraint. Is it unappealing to jack off in privacy? Shouldn’t be. It’s just as pleasurable to dump your load in pussy. Do it 10, 100, 1000 times and its not unappealing… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Sentient Got it. As part of The Process, a stepping stone, a reverse LJBF for a virgin might be a tool. Not a goal, not a Buffer, not a settling for no sex. Perhaps a social circle tactic. Another thing I was thinking about is the Land Grab of getting a social circle for a young man heading off for college (and getting laid sooner rather than later). Strategies for getting feet on the ground for a quality social circle during the first semester of college. There is such a lot of fertile ground to explore arriving on campus. My… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Sentient: blue dress girl sends me pics (normal pics) of herself on trips once in a while and I reply and send her pics of myself, but I don’t chat her up nearly as much as I did with E-mail saga girl. I tried pushing the idea of “you should visit me” not long after we met and we agreed on some dates – as we both travel a lot this was actually not so trivial and that would be in August or so. I told her “no need to book an hotel, I have a spare room” and she… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

“But it is something that is pleasurable and sought out by every man”

Apparently this doesnt apply to me, atleast at this moment. To me talking with girls is pointless without desiring to take the ultimate prize. It pretty much follows this pattern – do i want to have sex? Not really. Whats the end goal of successful interaction with girl? Sex. Conclusion – there’s not really a need to interact with girls.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

HABD & Sentient: The 400 is done. So I’m allowing myself to post back here again. * IAS: Just saw your post about AA. Perhaps you need to do HABD’s 400 Challenge too! *NB: Technically my count says 395 but I was so conservative with missing the count when I was doing 35-40 opens an hour at the peak that the real figure is almost certainly 400+. It’s all kind of a blur really but some random thoughts below – I finally feel like I’m focussing on my fears and my weaknesses and directly addressing them and Doing The Work… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Good stuff Culum. You are showing the lurkers how to do it.

” A couple of women also actually touched me right off the bat – especially when they were startled and I put my hands up – I know this is a strong IOI but I can’t quite work out why this happens.”

Recall my dream of the big cat?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Culum

“I can’t specifically tell you exactly what it was in her subcomms – she was smiley and engaged and gave me directions and made EC and had this kind of expectant look about her when talking to me, but there was a vibe between us…”

Remember this feeling, what it felt like. Let that imprint on you so when you start to feel it again you can just act in the moment.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“One thing that this experience has really hammered into my head is the notion that the open itself doesn’t matter – it’s what comes after that does. ”

Enter “hey” stage left playing the part of a reliable opener.

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Culum welcome back!!! It’s all kind of a blur really but some random thoughts below – I finally feel like I’m focussing on my fears and my weaknesses and directly addressing them and Doing The Work as Sentient would say. Props on putting in the work!!!… proud of you!!!… and you are still alive!!!…lol now you understand the difference between ‘knowing the path’ and ‘walking the path’?…lol The question is -what is next? I have about a week left in the Big City and want to keep up the momentum. Maybe about 4-5 going out days. do another 400… not… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient @Culum ““One thing that this experience has really hammered into my head is the notion that the open itself doesn’t matter – it’s what comes after that does. ” Enter “hey” stage left playing the part of a reliable opener.” How you say “hey” matters more than opening chicks with half-assed “hey” If your not extremely good looking/her ideal type (or she’s seen you demonstrate preselection/socially proofed by other girls in the venue) you’ll hook more girls, by opening with situational/canned self amusing emotional spikes (verbal or non verbal) instead. Why? Cause “hey” does not carry much emotion behind… Read more »

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