When I was talking with Anthony Johnson last week we came upon a topic I’m not sure I’ve adequately detailed before. That is the topic of submission in a relationship. One of the more hotly debated subjects I hear and read coming from evangelical Christian women is about a wife’s duty to submit herself to her husband. Anyone who’s familiar with my take on the state of the mainstream church and how feminism and feminine-primary doctrines have assimilated it can also understand why the topic of a wife submitting to her husband rubs many of them the wrong way.
My intent here isn’t dig into something that would be more aptly covered by Dalrock’s blog, but I begin my analysis of women submitting to men in a Biblical context because a wife’s submission to her husband, or in other cases a male family member, is something fundamental to Abrahamic religions. In the interests of social control women were simply told that it was God’s will that she submit to her husband and that was that. Granted, there were some stipulations to that submission for the man involved, but essentially the doctrine was one that placed a man and men’s decisions above that of a woman.
Naturally, Christian feminists and the Feminine Imperative the pervades the modern church (even amongst the men) want to dance around or prequalify this ‘commandment’ such as it is. It’s a very testy subject for a pastor or a speaker to consider because it risks alienating women in the church who for the better parts of their lives have been raised on the narrative of Fempowerment and equalism. It’s my belief that this part of doctrine is so troublesome due to the socialized want of an ideal equalism between men and women in the church.
From a male perspective, and for all of the secular influence of feminism in the church, men in the church have largely become men women simply aren’t comfortable submitting to. Issues of the church aside, women in general are ’empowered’ today to believe they can be self-sufficient and self-satisfied without any male influence. When we combine this ideology of female self-sufficiency with the sad (and ridiculed) state of what passes for masculine identity it’s easy to see that the 80% Beta men in society aren’t men any woman’s hindbrain is going to register as someone she can submit herself to.
When a woman submits herself to a man it reinforces the idea that her doing so is imparting him with something of value. Very few women can completely submit themselves to a man’s authority. I overheard a conversation between a mother and her adult daughter once. They were discussing the details about how and why she decided to marry her father. The adult daughter was dating and Mom was offering her matronly wisdom. In the course of the conversation it was apparent to me that although she’d been married for almost 25 years Mom was an Alpha Widow. What she said to her daughter was interesting, she said, “I love your Dad very much, but there are parts of me he will never know.”
What she was saying is that, although her husband was a great guy, he wasn’t the guy who she could totally submit herself to. After 25 years of marriage she knew that he would never be the man to make her feel comfortable in total trust, but also he would never know the sides of her she keeps reserved (usually sexual) because he’s not the kind of man who can bring it out in her.
Much of the modern divorce-porn (Eat, Pray, Love) narrative centers on exactly this dissatisfaction in women. The hope that’s sold to women is that it’s not too late to divorce your boring husband and fly off to the Bahamas to meet the kind of guy whom she can completely submit herself to. Even if it’s never the case that she takes action on the fantasy the popularity of that fantasy speaks volumes about the state of women and their submitting to men.
In the manosphere we have a maxim that states women hunger after a dominant masculine man. It’s a Red Pill tenet that it’s exactly this masculine dominance that women want to submit themselves to. It’s a large part of what contributes to the tingle effect of women’s arousal, but masculine, confident dominance also stimulates the desire to submit herself to a man who will know how to take care of her and any potential kids. Just as there are two primary aspects of women’s Hypergamous filter, so too does masculine dominance attract and arouse both the short term sexual and long term provisioning aspects.
Why do women hate anal?
This was a question I saw posted on the Ask the Red Pill sub-forum on Reddit recently. Of course, you get the troll answers to it, but I stopped or a minute to consider why it was a woman would be so resistant to have anal sex with a guy. Some guys stated that their girlfriends were into it and obviously anal sex is a very popular niche in pornography. So it wasn’t so much that women hate anal as it is they only consider it with certain men.
Anal is about total submission to a man. It is all about his pleasure and her discomfort in the act. If that man isn’t 100% an ideal dominant Alpha to her, her sexual interest is mitigated by order of degrees. Her genuine desire to initiate sex, and her imaginativeness in sex, will be the metric by which you can judge where she perceives your sexual market value to be. It’s my belief that women’s sexual hesitancy with a man is inversely proportional to her subconscious appraisal of his sexual market value.
Women’s hindbrains will not allow them to submit totally to a man it perceives is less than Hypergamously optimal. Anal is one thing, but does she swallow, is she averse to your fluids (sperm and saliva), does she initiate, does she flirt with you, or is sex something you have to negotiate, make appeals to her comfort (mental satisfaction) or some non-sexual qualification? I got into this topic in Saving the Best, but was she a wild and fun lay back in her college days yet lack-luster in bed with her husband?
Submission by a woman to a man is a reflection of her hindbrain acknowledgement of that man’s SMV. I also explored this in detail in SMV Ratios & Attachment. The greater the disparity in SMV between a couple the more or less likely a woman is to partially or totally submit herself to him. In a modern equalist perspective men and women are conditioned to believe that all-is-one and men and women are no greater or lesser than another in all respects. The idea is that an SMV ratio of 1:1 makes for an ideal relationship. Naturally, I disagree with that assessment, but what equalists don’t like to consider is that there are categoric differences between men and women and one of those differences is that women want to submit to a worthy man’s direction and influence. This is an intrinsic gender difference that not only defines an individual personal relationship between women, but also on a larger societal scale. There are many sociological studies of “egalitarian” cultures where the populations still opt for gender normative roles. And even in sexually fluid relationships there is always a dominant and submissive partner.
It’s my belief that women can instinctively determine a man’s SMV within moments of meeting him. There’s an old saying that a woman knows within five minutes of meeting a guy if she’ll sleep with him. I disagree. I would say that a woman knows if she wont sleep with a man within five minutes of meeting him. That’s the key. Preselection and some other variables help, but her hindbrain knows the external cues and triggers. The more a man must sell himself as a potential sex partner is inversely related to a woman’s hindbrains instinctual uncertainty of his potential to satisfy her Hypergamy. In a nutshell, this is how women’s sexual filtering processes work in sexual selection.
Nature & Nurture
A man’s value to a woman is derived from both an evolved sensitivity to arousal cues, but is also influenced by her acculturation to perceive a man as attractive. Evolved cues are generally what women’s mental firmware make them physically respond to in arousal. It bears repeating here that arousal is not the same thing as attraction. The two sides of Hypergamy are looking for different (sometimes conflicting) aspects in a man. The first is short-term sexual, good breeding potential in a man. Ovulatory shift, visceral arousal and sexual urgency is what defines this side of Hypergamy. Submission comes easy for the right candidate in this sense, and it’s submission born of necessity. If a sexual partner’s investment is something she knows will be fleeting, there’s less to be concerned with in submitting to him and enjoying the experience.
On the other hand, there is also a learned aspect to attraction. There are learned social cues, status markers, cultural cues that imply a good potential for provisioning and parental investment. All this builds up to the attraction side of Hypergamy. For years the manosphere has raised awareness of the fact that women’s provisional side of Hypergamy is largely accounted for by social influences, a larger educational base, and programs that essential transfer men’s resources to women. We can add to this the break down of the conventional family and the disenfranchisement of men’s participation in it while still making them accountable to it and we can see how women’s primary focus in Hypergamy leans heavily to the side of short-term breeding opportunities (Alpha Fucks).
As such the short-term necessity for submission becomes something a woman sexualizes and conflates with that side of Hypergamy. There’s been an ongoing debate for years now about how a man earning less than his spouse is a recipe for divorce. Even though women have their provisioning needs met in various ways, the want, the expectation, is that a man’s long-term value is directly connected to his earnings, status and to a lesser degree his education. Since Hypergamy always seeks a better-than arrangement with regards to SMV, a woman’s capacity to submit herself to a man is bound by what she believes is her better-than due. That isn’t to say a man who excels in the Alpha Fucks side of things can’t maintain a woman’s complete submission to him. Good sex is still good sex, and it’s a strong glue for an otherwise imbalanced relationship, but when a woman bemoans the lack of any ‘good’ men to marry her, it’s this expectation by which she judges an acceptable man. Is he someone she can submit to.
Although the equalist boilerplate would have us believe that house-husbands are sexy and perfectly viable, the stats show that women don’t want to submit themselves to a man who earns less than her, is less educated and whose status is below what she believes her own is. If that sounds like a power struggle you’re not to far off. Equalism teaches women to resist submitting themselves, much less ever doing anything for men. Even the word “submission” sounds like slavery, but in spite of all that there is a root level desire to willingly submit themselves to a worthy man. Romance literature is rife with exactly this submission as its main formula.
“Hell Yes!”
When I was speaking with Anthony last week I answered a question regarding how men might determine the genuine desire of women they’re engaging. I mentioned the “Hell yes!” dynamic as one way. I believe it was Mark Manson who said whenever you propose a date or a drink or some other interaction with a woman the answer you’re wanting to hear from her is “Hell yes!” Whatever the proposition you make with a woman you want her to say “Hell yes I do!” Unsolicited enthusiasm is a very good sign from a woman, and one that can help you determine her genuine desire as well as her capacity to submit to you.
When you get this response from a woman it feels like it’s magic. It’s active anticipation and a real drive to submit. When I go into issues that deal with a man maintaining Frame much of that comes from a woman’s genuine desire to submit to that man’s authority. A woman’s got to submit in order to enter a man’s reality.
If we use the “Hell yes” response as the upper end of a woman’s interest, what follows from there is, by order of degrees, lesser interest. From the “Hell yes” on down any hesitancy on a woman’s part is lesser capacity to submit, all down to “Hell no”. It’s those in between degrees of interest that trip men up. They make poor decisions due to a woman’s Luke-warm desire. They keep driving at spiking interest, calibrating and then reassessing a woman that had only marginal desire for them. In itself this isn’t a bad thing, most PUA Game centers on this process, but it all has a purpose of arriving at a woman’s submission to Frame.
“. . . no llamas?”
The one-l lama, he’s a priest.
The two-l llama, he’s a beast.
And I will bet A silk pajama
There isn’t any Three-l lllama.*
*The author’s attention has been called to a type of conflagration known as a three-alarmer. To them I say “Pooh.”
keith – right on 100% with the look after yourself stance I happen to have been one of those dumbfuck stepdad dudes and got burned. Don’t like to think of myself as a bad guy, actually a straight up great motherfucker generally speaking. Certainly tried to do the right thing as my ignorance and brainwashing conspired me to do. But fortunately, some thoughtful men — strangers to me — decided to take their time to put down their thoughts and publish them freely in both cost and access. The RP topics they cover are literally life saving and by any… Read more »
@Heather The Church has a tradition of supporting institutions that encourage moral behavior. Marriage used to be one of those institutions, but those days are gone. If anything, modern marriage incentivizes immoral behavior. For example, a woman who is tired of her husband can commit adultery, leave him, take the kids with her (or at least joint custody) and expect to get financially supported by her ex for many years thereafter. Any man who refuses to do this will be branded a “deadbeat” and thrown in prison. You would think that the Church would at least speak out against such… Read more »
@Heather
Have a read of this: https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/30/losing-my-religion/
I dunno how to WordPress. It may not link correctly. ZFG.
“My understanding was that you were fine, as long as the man finished in the right place . . .”
. . . in his widowed, childless sister-in-law.
Famous last words: “Oh man, I’m soooooooo stoned.”
The whole “spilling your seed on the ground thing” isn’t about masterbation. It isn’t about sex. It isn’t even really about procreation.
It’s about certain facets of inheritance law in a strict, clan based society.
It also helps a lot that the trad priests aren’t fags so the know how to be men.
How do you know what they are? Plenty of homosexuals were recruited by your church to be priests back in the 50’s and 60’s and 70’s. Some of them became bishops, or in charge of seminaries.
The priests who were having anal sex with 10 year old boys back in the previous century may well have been “trad” and “real men”, too, dearie. You don’t know for sure. No boy should ever be alone with a Catholic priest, ever.
Zipper just saying defeateist addatude is more deadly than cancer. Be of good cheer even In divorce. Where there is life there is hope. You can always recover and learn. I’m not judging anybody. just saying Morpheus has a wealth of friends that has been fucked by the system if he got questions there here for advice.
keith, yes sir, great attitude can carry you when nothing else will
Heather, if a man requires a woman’s backing to face the world, he’s fucked; living as a man mandates facing the world with confidence regardless of a woman’s participation, sometimes even in spite of it
I’ve already puked up that same vile snake oil you’re selling and have no intention of swilling it again, please take it elsewhere.
Thankyou Dr Zipper. Clear, concise, to the point. Kudos.
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is… Read more »
I just can’t get into anal. I’ve done it a few times and I just feel like it’s not for me. Don’t like it. Grosses me out. Even when I’m watching porn I don’t like looking at it and will actively avoid it. My friend fucked a girl in the ass and she ended up having to go to the emergency room. It makes for a funny story. Probably not so much then. She kept saying she wanted him to fuck her in the ass and he said it didn’t seem like a good idea. Like how trying to park… Read more »
I recall my college years and a conversation with my room mate. He had a very hot girlfriend, One day he was all conflicted and says to me: “Amy wants me to fuck her in the ass!” What should I do?” I was rolling on the floor. Literally, as we had been having several shots of tequila and I couldn’t stop laughing. He was super serious and asked me again. I said: “just fuck her in the ass and stop worrying about it.” All this keyboard jockeying and sperging about anal. Read the post again, then Blax’s comments…again. So much… Read more »
I failed the anal shit test. But, I’m OK with it. I attempted it a few times about 30 years ago with my MLTR and before with a FB—both times the women said it was too painful. I had a running joke with the wife that she is so averse to trying anal again, that if she should ever leave me, she should have a tramp stamp tattoo that says please use 2nd entrance. So, my story/buffer is that I’m hung like a horse. Personally, I don’t get it. The one oriface smells like sex—the other, like ass. To borrow… Read more »
@Softek She kept saying she wanted him to fuck her in the ass and he said it didn’t seem like a good idea. Like how trying to park a bus in a single car garage isn’t a good idea. Women don’t work with physical things as much as men do. We have to worry about dimensions, weight, distance, velocity, etc. Women just try to push stuff in drawers/closets without worrying if it will fit. When a woman says she wants anal, she wants the feelz of her submitting to her man, not the tearing of her tissues and spilling of… Read more »
On the plus side of anal, it gives general surgeons work and income.
stealthing is sexual assault, apparently……………………………………………………
http://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a44886/stealthing-is-not-a-trend-its-sexual-assault/
Totally Off Topic: Very interesting article on the reactionary forces that came to the fore last year (in Rollo’s RT twitter feed by Alpha Rivelino). I have to say that before or at the time of the last presidential election, I was too busy living life to have an accurate score card of what the heck was going on with the supposed Alt-Right movement as a reactionary force. I pretty much got up to speed, but there is a good score card on the landscape of political reactionism here. This article also details the background of some potent manosphere icons:… Read more »
@anon
Such a lurvely cantata…I shed a tear
“It appeared in early modernity with the ferocity of the Catholic Counter-Reformation in response to the emergence of Protestantism.”
And no one hated Protestantism more than that reactionary Martin Luther. Go figure.
For that matter, The Church, and even the Bible itself was a second century reactionary movement against Marcion trying to reform Christianity without the OT scriptures.
“Such a lurvely cantata…I shed a tear”
Me too. Also a cautionary tale. This talented guy was obviously former Navy. 😉
@kfg And no one hated Protestantism more than that reactionary Martin Luther. yeah, for him it was a case of Not Invented Here The Church, and even the Bible itself was a second century reactionary movement against Marcion trying to reform Christianity without the OT scriptures. kind of like the shepherds protecting the flock are a reactionary movement against wolves simply trying to vary their diet by including some mutton I guess you’re discussing councils…you’re overreaching a bit with the claim that the Bible is a 2nd century invention…certainly, the whole issue of approved books came to a head in… Read more »
I guess you’re discussing bibles:
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/thats-not-what-bible-says-294018.html
THE BIBLE: SO MISUNDERSTOOD IT’S A SIN
@SJF
I guess you’re discussing bibles:
more like canonicity in the 2nd century AD…is Eichenwald an expert on that?
@Morpheus, et al Add me to the list of sharing this experience.. My ex wife might have wanted to jump ship many times through the 20 years, as did I.. but neither of us did, and we openly acknowledged that we needed rules and behaviors to sustain our marriage.. I didn’t game her into believing there shouldn’t be girls nights out.. she was honest about, yeah that creates too much temptation, etc… ..that is, until she was out of my sight, and spent 3 days with a bunch of divorce cheerleaders and a guy she let pick her up in… Read more »
Push and pull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJUz23KzONk
“kind of like the shepherds protecting the flock are a reactionary movement against wolves simply trying to vary their diet by including some mutton” Speaking secularly, I have some doubts about that. I suspect Marcion is the keystone to Christianity as distinct from a Jewish mystical sect, although that may not have happened in the manner he preferred. ” . . . the whole issue of approved books…” Approved books is the definition of “Bible.” I distinguished (or at least tried to, perhaps I could have been clearer) between scripture and the Bible, and even the OT didn’t reach canonical… Read more »
I’ll just leave this here:
http://www.startribune.com/with-no-date-for-prom-champlin-park-student-takes-her-harvard-admission-letter-to-dance/421074773/
@kfg
I suspect Marcion is the keystone to Christianity as distinct from a Jewish mystical sect
don’t be coy…tell us why you think that
“The one oriface smells like sex—the other, like ass.” Archangel: You think Adam wants her ass so close to her vagina? God: He’s gonna have to as that’s where it’s going. “it completely swayed her to abandon everything she had been for 20 years, and simultaneously inflated the shit out of her SMV ego.” When the lines of communication were broken guys don’t know the’re broken, right? Drifting begins long before we know it. We assume too much, and she was left unattended, the moon was full, she, cycling, boozy and in the echo chamber of the FI-feuled GNO blithely… Read more »
TuffLuv
“until she was out of my sight”
Explain.
“don’t be coy…”
I’m not being coy, I’m just denying omniscience. I can read, I can see pieces of a puzzle, but, just as for everyone else, most of the pieces are missing from my box.
But of the pieces I have, a broken outline is formed, and that outline converges on Marcion.
@Tuff
it happened practically over night, after 20 years of mutual mate-guarding in our marriage
spent 3 days with a bunch of divorce cheerleaders
Did your wife meet those divorce cheerleaders when she was out of town? Or were they already friends of hers? I see a disconnect between “mutual mateguarding” and slutty friends.
At lunch yesterday there was a Steve Harvey TV show where he was bucking up young HS beta boy snowflakes to go through with prom-posals to their intended chickie-pies on-air. Somehow the more modern notion that high-schoolers don’t necessarily prom-pose anymore but go in friend-groups did not get on the show. Or at least not the short section I saw. Didn’t hang around to watch the FAILS. Had a delicious moment where some neighbors of mine got schooled about the trend of friend-groups going to prom without “dates” as such. They knew nothing about it. Didn’t believe me when I… Read more »
@fakir
Hypergamy in action. I spy a carousel rider who will be wailing “the good men, where?” in about 15 years.
Dalrock
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/someone-tell-gilligan/
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/father-roulette/
Thoughs on this?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/topic/marina-lonina
For the most part we always did vacations as a family. But I had an annual weekend with strictly my dudes every year. In the last three years I added another week long solo trip (again strictly dudes). Her trip came from her saying it was ‘her turn’. I capitulated simply because I didn’t give a shit if she did go, and I figured, eh, why not. She went solo, to a neighboring beach city, stayed in a nice hotel.. I don’t think she was dead set on an affair, but I definitely think she wasn’t counting it out. As… Read more »
TuffLuv
Well tough lesson indeed. Illustrative for guys still married though… Your girl seeking time “alone” is a huge, huge red flag.
And this Her trip came from her saying it was ‘her turn’. … well guys are very equalist at heart because that thinking is “logical” right? Seems fair?
My favorite response… “That’s why it’s called a double standard”.
https://soundcloud.com/realmarkbaxter/019-the-virtue-of-western-man
@Heather I now see that someone else raised my point about anal sex, which you responded to. So it sounds like you don’t want husband and wife to do anything that could result in semen *accidentally* going somewhere other than where nature intended it. So if a man is prone to premature ejaculation, dose that mean that he and his wife can never have foreplay? (If your husband is waiting until your wedding night, there is a real likelihood that he will pop-off during foreplay, maybe even before his clothes come off.) I do not believe that the Church takes… Read more »
Religious arrogance and judgementalism. 2 of my least favorite things on earth.
Blaximus
2 things im still struggling with
https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/68z5wc/guess_thats_normal_around_here/?ref=share&ref_source=link
PD Mangan comes out swinging against the Deep Soy State. It’s a joke.
Except it isn’t, everything he says makes sense to me. Blax? kfg?
http://roguehealthandfitness.com/deep-soy-state/
Comments are worth skimming.
@ AR Good stuff and thanks for the link. He’s 1000% right. I mentioned to kfg a few comments ago about cutting ( the remaining ) carbs in my diet to near zero, and increasing correct and healthy fats garnered me a 20 pound weight loss without increasing exercise ( that come a little later ). But people have been thoroughly brainwashed by their doctors . I recently visited my parents, and they wanted to know what I did to lose weight ( they thought something was wrong with me healthwise ), and I explained it to them in detail.… Read more »
@Blax
carbs in my diet to near zero
20 pound weight loss without increasing exercise
Did this require abandonment of beer and other such things that make us happy? Please say no.
@ Lost Patrol
I normally consume about 5 beers a year. Same amount of ” hard ” liquor.
I did enough drinking in my youth to last me a lifetime. Lol.
I come from a long distinguished line of ( a bunch of…) alcoholics, so I have a healthy fear/respect of alcoholic beverages.
@Blax
Well that figures. Why does hardcore self control always have to be part of a successful program?
Soy is animal fodder. That’s what it was domesticated for. Eventually it was fed to people ‘no better than pigs,’ although it is toxic to humans (pigs are about the only monogastric animal that can eat it and live) . It requires heavy fermentation or processing with hydrochloric acid to make vaguely fit to eat. Nasty stuff. And virtually all of it these days is GMO. It’s a Wonder Food(tm) if you have a bunch of coolies you want to work to death in a few years at minimum expense. Soak it in hydrochloric acid, dump in a bunch of… Read more »
@Blaximus since you seem to be an expert… what’s anal sex?… is that where your OCD kicks in and it has to be EXACTLY the same every time?…lol good luck! —- @AR Blaximus ” PD Mangan comes out swinging against the Deep Soy State. It’s a joke. Except it isn’t, everything he says makes sense to me. Blax? kfg?” I think that’s true… it tracks with my research… like when I eat a bowl of raw sugar for a snack after my dessert… I only eat organic BROWN sugar and not that white processed shit… bc it’s gluten free!!!… lol…… Read more »
re: OP How would a woman you’re sleeping with react if you suggested she bring a couple of her friends into the bedroom with you sometime? THAT could be a good test of how dominant your Frame is in the relationship. Of course, the culture we’re living in has forcibly suppressed some aspects of Hypergamy, like the aspect that might make women willing to submit to a guy’s sexual appetite for other women than her. Not that Hypergamy can’t be awakened despite societal programming. Just that there are way more barriers to that than there were in different eras. Like… Read more »
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@Softek
Don’t let it get you down man,if you wan’t menage a trois go ahead and ask for it or demand it. What is she going to do? cry,throw a fit,leave you so then you are free to find a chick that will?
Sentient, do us all a favor and repost that laundry list of sexual activities from weeks back. The idea then was the more you can check off with one woman, the more frame the man has, she willingly submits herself to. (I think…) I find the list prescient considering the OP, the reality that she can submit to a man’s frame many ways, anal being one of them. Her sheer volume of sexuality is an indicator of her sexual liberation, her opinion of his Alpha-ness, her need to live in his frame. Hence Donna Summer’s disco hit is spot on.… Read more »
Ehintellect
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-5/#comment-187204
I guess my friend who found his wife at a gang bang really lucked out.
Dunno, Liz, does she submit to him both inside and outside the bedroom?
I’m sure she does.
But not in other ways I’m sure. And I’m sure she isn’t loyal. So I think this metric is a pretty poor indicator overall. By this measure Madonna is a real gem. Also another flight doctor friend’s wife, who was married to a naval pilot and then left that guy for him. She too would do everything, right away…and then did everything with another man and left him for that one (after getting an ass tattoo with his name on it, so it was real that time…until it wasn’t). This should be self evident. Yes, she should be very into… Read more »
Anon…
lol…
http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/299705-Flashback-Sean-Penn-Beat-Madonna-for-9-Hours-in-1987-Charged-with-Felony-Domestic-Assault
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/madonna-sean-penn-hooking-up-119541
Surely a coincidence…
…because when you’re with the type of woman who offers to fellate the entire planet for a vote you basically have to beat her with a baseball bat to impress her.
Kind of makes the point, no?
I’ll admit I’m pretty shocked they’re together again. And yes I think she has always been an alpha widow. That doesn’t make her any less foul.
anon
http://www.gq.com/story/brad-pitt-gq-style-cover-story
Softek
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Oze
It may help from as far as input.
Sentient 1. Did you ever have sex on “your” terms, whatever it was at the time or have you always “worked” for it? https://thefamilyalpha.com/2015/12/30/creating-your-slut/ 2. Did she blow you and did she swallow? 3. Rawdog or did she make you wear a condom? If rawdog did she take a condom off of you? 4. Did she ever beg to be fucked by you or ask you to fuck her – please fuck me? 5. Ever have more than one body part in her at a time (tongue does not count)? 6. Anal? 7. Did you ever blindfold her? Tie her… Read more »
Rollo
http://wp.me/pXWyH-bDq
…because when you’re with the type of woman who offers to fellate the entire planet for a vote you basically have to beat her with a baseball bat to impress her.
Oh, Liz, Madonna didn’t offer BJ’s to the entire planet, just to Clinton voters. Get your facts right.
@Shaka Brilliant description of avoidant/disassociated disorders. I have never been one to take idle praise to heart, but since I unplugged I’m downright dismissive of anyone who complements me in the slightest. My default position is this person is angling me up either to manipulate me when someone starts. Borderline paranoid. All: Any talk of sexual submission as a mechanism to get long term commitment from a chick is buffering or outright nonsense. At least for me. The last time I had sex with a former ex was the single best session I ever had – and the most aggressive.… Read more »
Disagreement.
@Blax
I respect that.
Then again, the whole concept of alpha widow insinuates her alpha man is dead, so maybe it’s me who’s wrong. Either way, I’m not sure it matters enough to be actionable.
Fuck her like a bitch? get left.
Fuck her like a pornstar and leave her place with enough scratches on your back you have to peal your shirt off because it’s stuck to you later? Get left.
@Dizzle
…..lol no
Dizzle
If you strive you are doing it wrong…
I get the cervix thing though…
A pertinent quote: “I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing,… Read more »
” pornstar sex ” is but one tool in a sexual toolbox. A man cannot always only rely on bang-her-through-the-matress style sex as a standard, lest he find himself reduced to human dildo status. Sexual dominance does not solely mean Jackhammer. Lol. Just like everything else, you gotta learn to read a female. This also includes between the sheets. It will pay off in more pleasures for you, and that’s the main point, no? Earth shattering sex is not easily attained by a vast majority of women. If you offer this along with many other fully masculine qualities, you will… Read more »
Readers might also find Pornstar Otto Bauer’s take on sexing a woman vs “making love to her” enlightening . . .
It starts this film off (watch 0:16 – 0:52)
http://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=O6PdZcsIfWI
@Blaximus
> Sexual dominance does not solely mean Jackhammer
Most guys have no idea what dominance actually is.
So they play out a caricature of dominance, whatever they imagine it to be.
“So they play out a caricature of dominance, whatever they imagine it to be.”
WTF? You men being domineering is not the same as actually being dominant?
@Blax
Its old and corny, but none the less absolutely true : great sex starts outside of the bedroom, and in her brain first .
Yeah, she has to see you as her hypergamous ideal. Then she will have great sex.
Gamer Maxims: DHV always, early, and often. Flirt with girls early and often. Bust her shit tests with humor early and often.
I read research. Girls’ orgasms depend more on how they see a man than on his sexual prowess.
The male performance requirement.
The last paragraph says it all. Most men believe they are able to win over a woman and if they receive just a bit interest, they think they have something to work on. In my own opinion you either have it with a particular female, or you don’t. That’s not said that you cannot win someone over, but in most circumstances she will want you or not. Or maybe you come up as a convenient thing for that moment and she will engage, but if you chase the ideal relationship and expect her to submit, you will be setup for… Read more »
[…] The Rational Male’s “Submission” […]
Dominate: to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence on
Women willingly submit to believable leadership, first non sexually, then sexually.
Dominance = leadership
Betas powershare, supplicate,
Her mind is her biggest sex organ.
Fuck her mind, the rest will follow.
Absolutely!
@Dizzle All: Any talk of sexual submission as a mechanism to get long term commitment from a chick is buffering or outright nonsense. At least for me. FI is pushing on you here… this is you being in her frame… ‘get’ long term commitment idea is like you are achieving some goal… with her as the prize… which is at odds with ‘submission’ which puts YOU as the prize… this whole commitment idea is a dog/logical concept that depends on ‘relational equity’… which doesn’t exist… The last time I had sex with a former ex was the single best session… Read more »
Anal sex isn’t my cup of tea, but it’s pretty easy to avoid both unsanitariness and injury if you know what you are doing — enema (two if needed) right before anal sex, lots of lubrication, lots of stretching (toys help) before you attempt to enter. If you just use a bit of lube and then enter, well yes it’s going to be dirty and risking injury, d’oh. I don’t care for it because (1) in order to “do it right”, it’s a production, and I mostly can’t be bothered and (2) beyond the opening, which can be tight at… Read more »
Guys talking anal skews blunt dog talk. It’s not what draws a woman along the highs and lows she wants to feel, hear. She doesn’t want to hear about anal…perhaps she just wants to try it…she might like it, might not. Anyhow…It’s our burden of performance to tease her happily along, right? Act dog as cats understand and…cats submit.
It’s Friday, Happy Cinco de Mayo. Celebrating Latino heritage by loving the gatas, acting perro. Ole!
Everyone has a preferred currency and a price for that currency. Relating that to submission, as a man you have to be High Value enough to elicit submission, the currency is your Alpha traits and Frame. If you don’t have enough (full price), then you won’t get full submission. Everyone’s got a different scale when it comes to “price,” but the underlying mechanism is the same: Do you have the right currency and do you have enough? Many Betas make the mistake of trying using the wrong currency for their idealized targets and get shocked when they get rejected. They… Read more »
@Softek May 3, 2017 at 11:20 pm Sorry man, but somebody’s got to say something…. “TRP seems so obvious to me now, more and more so as each day goes by, and my amazement and dumbfoundedness at the state of things in this society increases proportionally.” You need someone (a mentor) to knock you in the head or give you a kick in the ass. Your wanting a threesome is merely a symptom of your lack of agency with your girlfriend who has manipulated you into being a complete Beta (instead of part Beta). It’s time to stop philosophizing and… Read more »
@Softek From Rollo’s essay Buffers: …porn (as men use it) is a Buffer against rejection. Porn doesn’t talk back, porn doesn’t need a few drinks to loosen up nor does porn require any social skills to produce rewards. It’s convenient, immediate, sexual release that requires nothing more than a PC and an internet connection (or a magazine if you prefer the analog means). We can argue the obsessive-compulsive aspect of it, or the “my GF and I enjoy porn together” reasoning, but for the single guy the root reasoning is it’s facility as a Buffer. I should also add that… Read more »
Novaseeker
Anal sex isn’t my cup of tea,..
It is very interesting how many people latched onto that one part of Rollo’s OP.
I wonder what would have happened if instead of using anal intercourse as an example of submission he’d chosen “spanking”?
Hey, maybe Emily would have suddenly popped back into comments?
> Hey, maybe Emily would have suddenly popped back into comments?
Lmao speak of the devil xD
You just want to be spanked again.
‘if instead of using anal intercourse as an example of submission he’d chosen “spanking”’ Anal sex is the classic example of an act a woman wants, craves, to do with an alpha male who inspires her, and that she feels revolted even by the thought of doing it with a beta/her provider. This is the cause of great anguish for many betas who have found an old sex tape or camcorder video and discovered that their “faithful” “good girl” was doing all that porn star stuff, including taking it up the ass, with the bad boys back in her single… Read more »
Hmmm,
Rollo: I stuck the url for the Amazon listing of Toni Bentley’s book in my post, and the blog software inserted some kind of box with “click to buy” and “preview” links in there.
Do you get an affiliate income if someone buys through that box?
If you don’t, you should. Maybe you could edit the link so there’s an affiliate listing?
@ SJF Thanks for the feedback. The hardest part for me about Game and even my relationship is I don’t know what I want. When I really stop and think, I just don’t know. A lot of times I’ll think or say things about what I think I want and then second guess myself after. The only constant for me is the work I do. And even that’s very stressful right now, because I’m so new. I’m stressed every day building skills and meeting deadlines and making lists and doing my best to stay on top of everything, and I’m… Read more »
@Softek The hardest part for me about Game and even my relationship is I don’t know what I want. When I really stop and think, I just don’t know. A lot of times I’ll think or say things about what I think I want and then second guess myself after. You should listen to your soul more often. And shut down your cognitive brain and Ego on occasion. Stop stopping to think. You’ve got an understanding of what you want. You just can convince yourself that you actually want it and the hard work that goes with achieving it. What… Read more »
Topical Comedy Interlude:
Q: How do you make your wife scream twice during sex?
A: First, fuck her in the ass; then, wipe your dick off on the curtains.
I knew a German would show up on this thread eventually.
Wer, Mich?
lol, Ja.
@ SJF “–The only constant for me is the work I do. (Why do you think that is? Hint: Cause you really want it to be. You have desire for it. You have a purpose and a mission in it.)” Absolutely. My thing now is I need to dwindle it down to a list. There’s so much I want to do but the hunter who chases two rabbits catches neither. I’ve found writing lists helps, even though I’m not naturally inclined towards it. “Now is the time where you start working on Honor(among men).” The biggest confidence booster I’ve gotten… Read more »
@anon @Beard
Ihr sind sehr schlect zum Anglische blog Deutsche sprechen.
@theasdgamer
You’re right. Very rude of us. I was pretty much at the limits of my German anyway! My family hasn’t spoken it in some time.
@Beard
I was just joking in my own rude way.