Weekend Interviews

So I had the pleasure of speaking not only with Mark Baxter once again, but also Carl from Black Label Logic. If you’re not familiar with Carl you really ought to (he’s on my blogroll links on the sidebar). Between he and Illimitable Men these men have become Red Pill staples for a couple of years for me now. I wont spoil the interview for you, but Mark is a master of digging through my backlog of posts and hitting me with some unexpected and fresh questions. We get back to red pill 101 covering topics like Buffers and abundance. It’s about two solid hours of great Red Pill fundamentals.

Have a listen here.

Next up, I did an interview with entrepreneur, and fellow 21 Convention speaker, Richard Cooper about 3 weeks ago.

Richard hit me up almost a couple of months prior to this after making a hard Red Pill unplugging himself and made my books the focus of that in one of his YouTube videos. I’ll have to say Richard’s interview style is very personal and I get into some personal background with him here. I generally try to stay on Red Pill point, but Richard likes to dig deep here. Be forewarned, I was coming back from some allergies and using Skype from my laptop for this, so if the audio’s not great, hopefully the content is worth it. After this interview and looking into Richard’s other videos I suggested to Anthony Johnson that he’d be a good inclusion at the 21 Convention and I’m happy to say he’s onboard for this year.

And finally, Anthony from the 21 Convention has remastered the audio from our interview from last week, complete with show notes and links. You can listen here.

Hopefully that’s not too much of my voice for the weekend. For what it’s worth, I’m toying with the idea of starting a YouTube channel myself, but I’m not sure my schedule these days would make it anything more than an occasional thing. But, let me know if you think that might be a good idea.

Also, let me know if you have any questions about anything I cover in these, or feel free to start a discussion thread about any topic from these interviews.

168 comments

  1. @Rollo

    Buffers.

    I remember you saying, on a few occasions, that online dating is one of the biggest buffers that many guys use when it comes to meeting women (myself included).

    Do you still hold that belief?

    PS Mark, Carl, and Illman are great additions to the community.

  2. ” . . . online dating . . .”

    . . . is, at best, an oxymoron and at its core is founded on the idea that desire can be negotiated by mail. The fact that it’s even a thing is an indicator that something has gone very, very wrong with society.

  3. @D

    I agree with KFG and will add that online dating merely is a validation side project for women, and an exercise in futility for men.

  4. The Richard Copper interview was compelling. A good interviewer allows for a good discussion and Cooper did just this. He asked pertinent questions in a succinct manner. Rollo was both erudite and sincere in his responses. When given the opportunity he really explores his ideas and the body of work, he’s created.

    A lot was discussed, though I’d like to highlight the MRA part of the interview. My disdain for the MRA lies in the fact, I think, if given the chance to start over. They would (to a man) make the same mistakes. Nothing about them suggests they’ve learnt anything from their travails. To me, they’re just pieces that have been removed from the board. They serve no functional purpose.

    Rollo did an exemplary job of summarising the pitfalls of the MGTOW philosophy. But I would also add, they need to have something besides opting out of relationships as their goal. Something which informs them their decision to remain single was the right one.
    They should be aware, if their philosophy succeeds, the feminine imperative will adapt to it.
    The current socio-economic climate will force the imperative’s hand. But the end result will be the FI sacrificing the female empowerment mantra it’s been leading with, and move to adopt a more conciliatory tone towards men.
    Who knows, the FI may even go so far as to send women out, with the implicit message of fucking, the more prominent member’s (of the MGTOW coterie) belief system, out of their heads.

    Don’t knock the strategy. It works a treat, every time.

    The MGTOW philosophy is young and there’s still hope for it, under the right guidance.

  5. Be careful not to water yourself down rollo 😦

    The mark baxter guy seems very blue / purple pill – how marriage and christianity can be red pill is beyond me.

  6. @kfg

    ” . . . online dating . . .”
    . . . is, at best, an oxymoron and at its core is founded on the idea that desire can be negotiated by mail. The fact that it’s even a thing is an indicator that something has gone very, very wrong with society.

    I have no ox to grind wrt online dating…just analyzing…

    Can men DHV online? Social proofs? Can men do a youtube of themselves? Party pics? Can men present a profile of Preselection? (I just alliterated all over myself. I hate it when that happens!)

    Have any romances been conducted by snail mail in the past? (Surely, it’s not ideal!)

    “Had we but world enough and time…”

  7. @kfg

    “”online dating . . .”
    . . . is, at best, an oxymoron and at its core is founded on the idea that desire can be negotiated by mail”

    That’s an interesting way of putting it. I like it.

    @stuttie

    “I agree with KFG and will add that online dating merely is a validation side project for women, and an exercise in futility for men.”

    You’re not wrong. I’ve had good online dating experiences so I don’t think it’s a complete, “exercise in futility”. But these days I don’t use it. That time is now better spent on my work (3 jobs) and hobbies (BJJ and hobby podcast).

    I would tell guys to really give online dating a try. Put some effort into it, see if it’s for them. If not, they can always try other ways for meeting women (at work, at school, at the pub, through friends, etc.).

  8. I don’t remember who posted it, but I have a new favorite word; “Child-snatching clown”.

  9. “Have any romances been conducted by snail mail in the past?”

    Pseudo-romances, yes. Romances, no. Interacting with bits of symbolized paper is not the same as interacting with a person. It’s mental masterbation, truly fucking with your own mind, building a delusional relationship. Printing up piles of fiat social currency with nothing behind it to give it value.

    The Game is a type of social dance. Can you dance by mail?

    “Dear Miss X,

    Put your right foot in, take your left foot out and I shall convey my steps to you.”

  10. I do believe. whether you should do a Youtube channel, with all the demonetization drama that happened lately, depends on one factor and one factor only.

    Do you wish to shift to making that whole “Rational Male” thing a significant source of your income or not.

    If so, it might be worth a try.

    If not, you have given enough already.

    You have your blog, you have your very affordable books, anyone with a modicum of drive and ambition can access your ideas.

    You cannot reach everyone, but you can burn out trying….

    Cannot save them all.

  11. kfg
    May 5, 2017 at 12:52 pm
    ” . . . online dating . . .”

    . . . is, at best, an oxymoron and at its core is founded on the idea that desire can be negotiated by mail. The fact that it’s even a thing is an indicator that something has gone very, very wrong with society.”

    I have to disagree with some of this take on online dating. Is it a way for women to validate? Yes. Is it entirely flawed for men? Hell no. My own personal experience with online dating proved to be eye opening and highly valuable. You still have to practice good game. Of course you cannot negotiate desire by email or texting. You don’t want to be negotiating desire in any venue. Right?

    Online dating is a venue. It quickly and easily, opens up opportunities to meet more women faster. It gives men the ability to vet women virtually and determine after reading their profile or brief chats whether or not they are worthy of your time. Once you meet you still have to have your shit together. I decided to try it for a couple of reasons.

    1. The town I live in is relatively small and the pool of attractive women isn’t that great, it’s below average for my age bracket. I only dated women at least four years or more younger than my age. My presence is 6-10 years younger
    2. I knew it would quickly give me ample opportunities to practice game, sharpen my existing skills and learn new ones.
    3. I wanted to get laid with attractive looking women.

    Is it a buffer that I claim the dating pool is limited where I live? Perhaps. But there are three major metros within an hour of drive time that I targeted for the simple reason of the pool was larger.

    Your online profile is no different than your resume. Can you present yourself in a manner in which you virtually appear appealing? Can you demonstrate even a shred of high value in how you describe what you’re about in a few sentences? It’s not much different than trying to get a new job. Keep it simple and don’t fuck it up. I used my photography skills to post a nice black and white self portrait. And hell no, it looked nothing like a typical selfie. Guys, if you try online dating don’t post a bunch of selfies.

    The first two weeks I was online I got laid with three different women. All of them tall and attractive. Two of them on the first date. The funny part of that was these two of these women were very upfront right away that they were not looking for one night stands and didn’t like players. After a few hours of drinks, talking, kino and game I was invited back to their place. Both again communicating no sex, “let’s just get to know one another.” After just a few minutes of kissing and doing what I’m good at, on both dates they were unbuckling my pants, shortly after begging to be fucked. No joke. I had fun teasing (amused mastery) them about their no sex on first date policy. Both also let me spend the night as it was an hour drive back home. More sex in the morning.

    The next girl I hooked up with invited me back to her place on the second date. The first date was just a quick vetting, was a work night and it was pretty late. Wasn’t worried at all about not getting laid that night. We met four more times with great sex on three of those occasions. After that she wanted to lock me down. That was my cue to move on.

    Following that I met a very hot blonde that was earlier in her life a model. It wasn’t fashion, was more about wholesome family oriented things. Her outward appearance reflected her conservative religious upbringing. Her profile even mentioned how she was looking for a “Godly man with family values.” My first few messages I told her I would likely corrupt her and that I doubted she would be happy dating me since I disagreed with her on almost all her very conservative religious beliefs and practices.

    The first date we ended up having sex at a hotel. A week later on the second date it was an overnight gig with a lot of sex. As instructed, she packed a overnight bag full of sexy lingerie and slutty outfits she tried on for me with show and tell. I instructed her what to do the entire night. She was quite willing to submit. Great sex and fun all night. She enjoyed the spanking I gave her and a few days later sent me a photo of her very bruised ass telling me she loved the marks I left. Before I left we grabbed lunch and decided to hit a bookstore. The conservative girl with family values looking for a husband ended up giving me oral to completion in the catacombs of winding overflowing bookshelves. Was outrageously fun time. She too was looking for a serious guy to settle down with. Again, my cue to move on. I’m still keeping her as a potential future plate as she was very eager to continue a relationship and loves the idea of a strong man who leads his woman.

    Don’t want to go overboard with field reports, but this fits the current thread that KFG started. So online dating may not be for everybody, but I learned how to ramp up DHV, practice game and had a lot of fun.

    Had I gone out and tried this without any red pill knowledge I would have fucked it up bad. I did as a matter of fact fuck up one opportunity. After having top notch text game once we connected, I met a attactive girl (an 8) who dressed the way I asked, very hot. Sexy leather boots, nylons and short skirt. Turns out on that date I got too cocky with thinking I had tight game and played with dynamite. Fucked it up, no second date. I learned from that some good lessons.

    It’s also a good opportunity to practice dread with all this as well because as it’s generally obvious they know you’re dating other women. I used that to my advantage a few times. After the initial thrill had worn off I slowed down and got back to focusing on me. I think my experience was different than younger guys who are using Tinder or other similar services. Yes, some women I initially thought were interesting turned out to be simply looking for validating. Next!

  12. To “Theasdgamer”:

    I’m genuinely interested how and why you think I’m wrong. This is meant to be a rational discussion rather than emotional (clue is in Rollo’s site name).

    Red Pill means how the world really works, not how we’d like it to work.

    Please can you explain these facts in terms of “Red Pill marriage” or “Red Pill religion”. Or link me to Rollo articles….

    1. Humans are not monogamous.
    2. Women have lovers and providers (dual mating strategy).
    3. Marriage is a relatively recent social construct to fit an ideology
    4. Religious ideologies are stories created by humans (that try to tame biology)

    Marriage is 100% provider. You can see it as prostitution (We sign contract. I give you resources. You give me sexual exclusivity).

    Religion tries to stop the harsh reality of reproductive urges but it fails.

    I would really like to educate myself how I’ve got the wrong ideas about life and biology. Rollo’s books point out all these truths.

  13. @Radawn

    1. Humans are not monogamous.

    Naturally, no, not monogamous. Agreed. However, people can be trained to be monogamous.

    2. Women have lovers and providers (dual mating strategy).

    Agreed.

    3. Marriage is a relatively recent social construct to fit an ideology

    Yeah, it’s recent. Mankind is recent. Good point.

    3. Religious ideologies are stories created by humans (that try to tame biology)

    More like religious constraints are aimed at improving our reproductive strategies. STDs don’t assist reproduction. Rather, they hinder it. I don’t see where “stories” enters into the discussion.

    Marriage is 100% provider.

    Says who? Are you seriously asserting that married men can’t be DPA and have alpha attributes?

    Religion tries to stop the harsh reality of reproductive urges but it fails.

    Mankind, in the wild, tends to have very short lifespans and tends to be unable to compete with civilization. Or do tribal natives outnumber people who live in urban areas?

    Civilization imposes rules. No reason that rules about sex can’t be effective. So far as we know, those rules were effective in the past. When those rules were undermined (e..g. by the Pill and No Fault Divorce and their repeal by state legislatures), then mankind let slip the Dogs of Humping.

  14. @theasdgamer

    Human civilisation is a thin veneer on evolutionary biology that is millions of years old. Those “rules” you suggest don’t last long when it comes to foraging, fighting and fucking.

    The Red Pill is about reproductive biological truths. These are feral. Wild. Raw. Uncomfortable. The jock guy Chad fucking 100s of groupies….that’s real. The pool boy fucking the bored housewife….that’s real.

    To deny evolution and biology is to do what SJWs and “nurture not nature” feminists are doing. How can you support this?

  15. ” Marriage is 100% provider. You can see it as prostitution (We sign contract. I give you resources. You give me sexual exclusivity). ”

    Lol…. I guess that’s one way to do it. It’s wrong as fuck, but it’s a way.

  16. “To deny evolution and biology . . .”

    The realm of Religion does not inherently deny either biology or evolution. Civic restrictions on sexual behavior are not promoted on the basis of denial, but rather on acknowledgement.

    Strictures are not needed except where people will behave outside of the desired strictures. There are laws against theft and murder because people steal and murder.

  17. @blaximus

    How is marriage not being a provider? How is marriage being the alpha lover? Does she feel that animalistic sex drive with her husband?! Lol

  18. @kfg

    Biology doesn’t give a damn about “civic restrictions”… basic genetic theory will tell you genes don’t give a damn about “the good of the species.”

  19. Get a YouTube channel. It is the education center (replacing universities) of the future. If anyone wants to find a bigger more passionate audience for their work, YouTube is where you want to be.

    On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:17 PM, The Rational Male wrote:

    > Rollo Tomassi posted: ” So I had the pleasure of speaking not only with > Mark Baxter once again, but also Carl from Black Label Logic. If you’re not > familiar with Carl you really ought to (he’s on my blogroll links on the > sidebar). Between he and Illimitable Men these men hav” >

  20. “Biology doesn’t give a damn about “civic restrictions”…”

    Again, that is why there are civic restrictions. Civic restrictions are imposed in the expectation that people will not follow them.

    OT in a nutshell:

    1. PRINT ” I have given you a paradise flowing with milk and honey in which you may dwell forever so long as you follow these strictures”
    2. THE PEOPLE promptly break the strictures
    3. GOTO 1

    In pagan pantheons even the gods are liable to meet their dooms by their own hands, by breaking the strictures.

  21. Human civilisation is a thin veneer on evolutionary biology that is millions of years old.

    I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that is millions of years old that I can let you have for a steep discount.

    The Red Pill is about reproductive biological truths.

    Naah, it’s just about truth.

    These are feral. Wild.

    Try taking someone’s life around the cops and let’s see how your feral shit holds up.

    Those “rules” you suggest don’t last long when it comes to foraging, fighting and fucking.

    The prisons are filled with feral beasts. I don’t see a lot of success there.

    To deny evolution and biology is to do what SJWs and “nurture not nature” feminists are doing. How can you support this?

    By staying on point. lol No one is denying evolution and biology.

    @Blax

    Radawn is such a keyboard jockey when it comes to marriage. He doesn’t understand marriage Dread.

    Mrs. Gamer is always thrilled when I stay home any weekend night. I give her one occasionally if I don’t feel like going out. And she pays most of the bills. I do give her a good time. And that means more than sex, of course.

  22. @kfg

    I wonder how civilization as she is now spoke would fare in comparison if we included deliberate, pre-natal termination of life into the life expectancy equation.

    Abortion is basically a special case of murder being tolerated. I don’t see abortion as a problem for civilization, but for lawless groups.

  23. I thought this website and Rollo’s books were about uncomfortable truths. Not hiding them in “let’s hold hands, pray to Jesus and be good to our wives” vanilla crap.

    How can a married guy be a player??!

    The blue pill / purple pill oozes out of this comment section.

  24. “No one is denying evolution and biology.”

    Speaking as an atheist – the most common dialectical failure of atheists is erecting strawmen to knock down. I wish they would cut it out. In order to effectively argue against any position you must first honestly understand and represent it.

    Otherwise those who do understand will recognize you for the dissembling fool you are.

  25. “I thought this website and Rollo’s books were about uncomfortable truths.”

    If there are no supernatural forces at work in the world, all the behaviours of man are natural.

    All of them. Even the ones you don’t like and think ought not to be.

    “How can a married guy be a player??!”

    By playing? Do the questions get any harder as they go along?

  26. @ Radawn

    What’s with all of this ” lets hold hands ” stuff?

    ” How is marriage not being a provider? How is marriage being the alpha lover? Does she feel that animalistic sex drive with her husband?! Lol”

    You didn’t say marriage was about being a provider originally. You said marriage was about being 100% provider. There’s a difference.

    You are talking about the Beta/Blue Pill idea of marriage. Not everyone follows and submits to that ( I know I don’t ). There’s doing it correctly, then there’s the Blue way. The uncomfortable truths… you seem to misunderstand. The truths are uncomfortable to those of a Blue Pill/Beta mindset. Those who live to serve the FI.

    An ” Alpha ” lover is an ” Alpha ” lover, married of not. You assume all men must transform into auto-betahood after getting married.

    If you understood fully the RP, then hell-to-the-yes, a wife absolutely can and will feel that animalistic drive with her husband. And so will many other random women.

    Playa indeed.

    It’s like the difference between some knucklehead driving 100 mph on the freeway, and a guy who knows what he’s doing driving 220 mph at the Indy 500. Technically speaking, they are both drivers. It’s the application of knowledge and skill that marks the difference.

  27. @kfg

    – Can a guy who believes in a wizard-in-the-sky religion really also understand the truths of Darwinian evolution?

    – Why is a married man not a provider? Does he accept Rollo’s views on the dual mating strategy (i.e. his wife fantasises about / seeks a lover)?

    – Which guy do women prefer sexually – the bad boy in jail or the christian guy in church?

    – Which is the better sexual strategy for men – to be single and sleep with 100 girls or to be married and sleep with one? How is monogamy better in terms of selfish gene theory?

  28. @blaximus

    Desire cannot be negotiated. A guy who intellectually rationalises why he “gets” the RP is meaningless to a girl’s tingles.

    I wish Rollo would point me to some articles if I’ve got it all completely wrong. The “asdgamer” guy seems to think he’s some sort of Teacher’s Pet or Rollo mouthpiece without actually pointing me to Rollo material that would correct my thinking.

  29. …. and if you took the knucklehead driving 100 mph on the freeway, and placed him in an Indy car, he would crash and burn in the first turn before ever reaching 220 mph.

    And everyone would agree that driving Indy cars is deadly and dangerous.

    Everyone except the other true Indy drivers that is.

  30. “– Can a guy who believes in a wizard-in-the-sky religion really also understand the truths of Darwinian evolution?”

    You are strawmaning. Nobody has brought up a wizard in the sky but yourself and a wizard in the sky is not an inherent aspect of Religion.

    However, there are many people who profess belief in God(tm) who are evolutionary biologists. Your conflation of Religion with Christianity and conflation of Christianity with Biblical Literalism is dishonest.

    “– Why is a married man not a provider?”

    No one has claimed that a married man is not a provider, although such is certainly not only possible, but actually happens. The record will show that I spent years as one myself. How? 1. Be married. 2. Don’t provide.

    “– Which guy do women prefer sexually – the bad boy in jail or the christian guy in church?”

    Yes. For God’s sake (as it were) read Elmer Gantry or just open your eyes and look around.

    “– Which is the better sexual strategy for men – to be single and sleep with 100 girls or to be married and sleep with one?”

    That would depend very much on the particular man, the particular girl(s) and the particular environment they find themselves in. Do you even Evolutionary Theory, bro?

    “How is monogamy better in terms of selfish gene theory?”

    How is bowling better in terms of Quantum Theory? See above.

  31. “I wish Rollo would point me to some articles if I’ve got it all completely wrong.”

    You are not completely wrong, but your emotional response is preventing you from being more correct.

  32. @kfg

    Intellectual posturing is a smoke screen for avoiding my very rational questions. I’ll wait until someone links me to Rollo material rather than this keyboard philosophical gymnastics which is just deflecting my questions about the biology of the Red Pill.

  33. “– Can a guy who believes in a wizard-in-the-sky religion really also understand the truths of Darwinian evolution?”

    Wow I know a guy that literally believes the bible to the point that earth was created in 6 days some 4000 years ago.All fossil evidence and carbon dating is just misinterpreting false evidence to make it agree with your theory and we live in a patriarchal society where women are oppresed. Also we can all live in harmony,religion and politics should be intertwined and peace on earth good will toward man is possible if we just impeach Trump.

    While I don’t agree with much of anything this man says,just the fact that he is financially well of is a sort of living proof that God is kind to drunks and fools.

  34. @ Radawn

    ” Intellectual posturing is a smoke screen for avoiding my very rational questions. I’ll wait until someone links me to Rollo material rather than this keyboard philosophical gymnastics which is just deflecting my questions about the biology of the Red Pill.”

    Yeah, because we don’t know shit.

  35. Monogamy is selfish in that it is likely the only thing that has kept from getting STI’s.Plus I get a higher % chance of having an influence on my childrens outlook.

  36. “Intellectual posturing . . . ”

    Well, we wouldn’t want any of that over intellectual questions, now would we? Much better to Monkey Dance posture.

    ” . . . the biology of the Red Pill . . .”

    . . . is biology. Simple enough.

  37. Still waiting for biology / Rollo references for the following:

    – Humans are monogamous
    – Christianity is true
    – Women prefer Nice Guys
    – Casual sex is wrong
    – Just Be Yourself

    ….and all the other blue pill posturing on here. Have you guys learnt nothing from Rollo??!!

  38. ” – Humans are monogamous
    – Christianity is true
    – Women prefer Nice Guys
    – Casual sex is wrong
    – Just Be Yourself”

    What?? Lmao.

    Who said any of this shit?

    Yo man, the archives await you. You seriously need to go do some reading. But at least you’re steadfast in your misunderstanding of what you think is being said.

    Good for you.

  39. For the most part Rollos writing’s are inclusive to differing beliefs and as one gains in experience the writings gain in meaning.

    Anyone looking for a dogmatic indoctrination of stone tablets will be disapointed.

  40. Can anyone who’s a long time blog reader of Rollo link some of his posts which explain how marriage / religion can be Red Pill. I genuinely want to know more about this.

    “The archives await you” is dodging the question. Come on married guys / church-goers….. just one link about how girls get tingles for the faithful husband…

    God bless 😉

  41. This is some silly shit.

    “– Humans are monogamous
    – Christianity is true
    – Women prefer Nice Guys
    – Casual sex is wrong
    – Just Be Yourself”

    Should be
    – Humans are monogamous in a successful civilized society.
    – Christianity is true,especially to a guy that has had Jesus save his ass numerous times.
    – Women prefer Nice Guys that pay all the bills.
    – Casual sex is wrong if it throws your back out of place.
    – Just Be Yourself if your a highly accomplished individual past the age of 55.

    There fixed it for me.

  42. I think Radawn’s definition of marriage is the spitting image of scray’s, Mr. ” Promise Monogamy “.

    A man gets married so he can have steady sex, and he will provide in order to do so. If there’s no such thing as ” Negotiating Desire “, then marriage is a foolish scam that no man could ever possibly undertake unless he is full blown beta/blue pill.

    Because alpha’s never, ever get married under any circumstances.

    …. we’ve been ( painfully ) down this crooked, broken glass filled road before.

  43. “…. we’ve been ( painfully ) down this crooked, broken glass filled road before.”

    Misty water color memories…….

    Ya it all started out with the blue pill provider meme.
    Anyone knows that providing has nothing to do with pills,this is just some punk trying to rationalize non support.

  44. “I wish Rollo would point me to some articles if I’ve got it all completely wrong. The “asdgamer” guy seems to think he’s some sort of Teacher’s Pet or Rollo mouthpiece without actually pointing me to Rollo material that would correct my thinking.”

    Dude, do you think we’re your bitches or what? You’ve heard of Google, right?

    Look up the material yourself. You know how to work a keyboard. Quit asking others to do your work. Just a hint, start with year one. If you didn’t come off as a total dick guys would be helping you out.

  45. stuffinbox, I am triggered! Oh, so triggered!

    Bonus: “what do they want?” “A car.” “What are you gonna do?”

    “Give them one.”

  46. @Radawn

    I recommend the Song of Solomon for careful examination. You will find Red Pill truths in there like:

    1. Preselection

    2. The beautiful woman chases the alpha man.

    3. The beautiful woman wants sex with the alpha man.

    4. Double entendres are perfectly acceptable in religious society.

    You know, someone might think that I had done a series of posts on this topic.

  47. Radawn maybe thinks that Christianity has an Eleventh Commandment:

    Commandment 11. Thou shalt not commit Dread against thy wife.

    Maybe a 12th…

    Commandment 12. Thou shalt not flirt with other women.

  48. @Blax

    Because alpha’s never, ever get married under any circumstances.

    I didn’t do it, nobody saw me do it, you can’t prove anything.

    Yeah, for thousands of years, pre-No Fault Divorce, alphas didn’t marry. The world as it is is as it ever was. 🙂

  49. @ AR

    Funny how things change.

    Or maybe not (? ).

    My dad took me to the local drive in to see every Clint Eastwood movie for as long as I can remember. I was about 10 when Dirty Harry came out. We’d go, just him and I, and get popcorn and hotdogs and milkshakes.

    No one ever said anything about him taking me to see such ” violent ” movies or anything.

    I was 5 or 6 when my all time favorite, The Good The Bad and The Ugly came out. I loved it so much he took me twice to see it. I walked around in a cowboy hat and poncho with a plastic rifle for a solid week after that, squinting with a twig between my teeth.

    Misty water colored memories indeed. Lol.

  50. LOL at Rawdawn.

    I’m sure that cognitive bias of yours really helps your heuristics. (What’s your narrative?)

    The Unbearable Triteness of Hating:
    1. Old Married Monogamous blogger Writer/Commenter Hate

    No man could ever be happy with having gotten married to a wonderfully feminine girl 27 years ago, raise children with her, avoid terminal Betatization and actually feel comfortable with his biology. No way, no how. And what about the $500,000 dollars you spent on the wife and mid twenty year old children, in the last 25 years. Holy fuck that is going to leave a big mark.

    Cause males weren’t designed to be monogamous. Women are hypergamous with a dual sexual strategy. Christianity was a waste of time. If you are nice to women you will never get laid (cause women don’t ever choose wisely and treat males kindly). Casual sex is a must do because self disciple is ludicrous and is entirely self suppression. And you can’t actually be yourself in a Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic masculine fashion and do what your soul wants–that is totally impossible.

    (Good luck showing up at the dinner party with your unbearable triteness of hating. And false premises and Strawman-ing. Stop logically debating like a twenty seven year old Puerarch cause it is too nihilistic for most of our tastes.)

  51. Radawn
    May 6, 2017 at 12:00 pm
    @theasdgamer

    Human civilisation is a thin veneer on evolutionary biology that is millions of years old. Those “rules” you suggest don’t last long when it comes to foraging, fighting and fucking.

    The Red Pill is about reproductive biological truths. These are feral. Wild. Raw. Uncomfortable. The jock guy Chad fucking 100s of groupies….that’s real. The pool boy fucking the bored housewife….that’s real.

    To deny evolution and biology is to do what SJWs and “nurture not nature” feminists are doing. How can you support this?

    Rollo advocates for watching what biological imperatives are manifest in behavior (The FI and feminine social conventions).

    Your mistake is in thinking biological truths allow you to disallow socialized conventional rules. You can’t always get what you want. You can’t always run feral through a civilized society. If you want that paradigm, you are going to have to wait for the post-apocalyptic world for you to go all feral with your biology. But that is not the case now. If you don’t Accept that you are limited in a civilized social society, you are in a denial, anger, bargaining or depressive phase.

    He addresses the “marriage is Blue Pill” (which you imply but don’t actually state) at the 1:22:27 mark in his podcast with Mark Baxter with Black Label Logic Carl.

    And Black Label Logic had this post:

    https://blacklabellogic.com/2016/11/17/gendernomics-five-factors-of-alpha-and-beta/

    What language would one use to define a “typical” Beta male? Overly humble, not very prideful, tends to be focused on the needs of others, and often highly empathic. He rarely engages in manipulation and tends to be the target of exploitation. He often feels a very strong moral duty, and tends to compromise his own self-interest. He is often a rule-follower down to the most minuscule rules, and plans everything out carefully. He rarely engages in selfish behavior, and if he does he is often overcome by guilt and remorse.

    If one compares with the language that would be used to describe an alpha, while he may not be grandiose, he is confident and prideful. He is well aware of his own needs and desires and seek to have them fulfilled. While he may not live a fully manipulative lifestyle, or disregard morality, he is not overly constrained by the opinion and values of the society in which he lives, and seeks a favorable balance between his interests and those of others. While his behavior is perhaps not consistently anti-social, it is not consistently pro-social either. His impulsivity and selfishness is balanced, and he has the capacity to be both callous and remorseless if required of him.

    And in that post any one male, at any one station in life, if pursuing red pill improvement would do well to look at this chart and move toward Alpha, no matter whether married (27 years ago), single, monogamous or not.

  52. What the hell was going on there with Black Label Logic’s voice in the Mark Baxter Podcast?

    Secrecy to avoid doxxing as Karl from SlingBlade voice modulator (my theory)?

    If that is his real voice? It is still lovely.

    @4:00 moment: is Religion a bad thing

    @6:25 eye contact.

    Notice how Billy Bob Thornton speaks. Directly. It is interesting how direct it actually is.

  53. “Your mistake is in thinking biological truths allow you to disallow socialized conventional rules.”

    A biological truth is that it is perfectly normal human behaviour for a mob to form and beat the crap out of anyone who violates tribal social norms.

  54. “A biological truth is that it is perfectly normal human behavior for a mob to form and beat the crap out of anyone who violates tribal social norms.”

    Back in the old days, tribes of humans happened to be small over a long period of time. They worked to secure proliferation and extension of tribal genes and population. But the groups were small. Perhaps numbering 75 humans.

    Back then, if you were a dick at the dinner party, or in your service and honor among men in the realm of the tribe, you’d pretty much be kicked out and suffer a demise. So in small tribes, men learned not to be a dick to and fit in.

    In large groups, there is no such ideology or praxeology, when there is support on the downside for being dickish. You are not going to die in modern society for being boorish at the dinner party.
    You can do that for self amusement and get away with it. Good luck with that.

    Rawdarn is merely getting away with that boorish behavior. Cause she can without penalty of death.

  55. Listened to the podcast in full and read the Christian Dread article. That table given by @sjf was very clear too.

    As Rollo says in that table, an alpha guy “retains independence, women are a utility to him, accommodating to self.”

    Married with 2.4 kids, a white picket fence, 1950s America….that’s all classic Disney idealistic blue pill ideals where you’re in HER frame.

    As the article said, marriage came about as an attempt to “control hypergamy” and “help betas through a religious / social construct”

    The Feminine Imperative delights at most of the comments to my questions. What you guys have offered me:
    – You can’t violate tribal rules (oh really, tell that to all the affairs, lovers, secret liaisons)
    – Read the Bible (because, like the Koran, it was created to try to stop hypergamy, i.e. casual sex is bad!!!)
    – Pay the bills (I think @stuffinbox wins the prize with this one. FI loves you)
    – In a civilised society, it’s all about monogamy (because, cough cough, no one ever cheats)

    A bit about me: I’m 32, been engaged a couple of times but for the last 3 years since reading Rollo’s books I’ve been
    enjoying non-monogamous casual sex with different girls. I’m enjoying being the alpha fucks. Love the company of
    beautiful women.

  56. At 38:00 the assessment of The Game author Neil Strauss is fascinating. The need to internalize all this Red Pill theory and PUA techniques is critical to moving towards the alpha mindset.

  57. I have made a rewrite of the Iron Rules Of Tomassi for the blue pill commentator club on here…

    1) Get married. It’s the best way to control women.
    2) Believe in God. Do the right thing. Or you’ll be punished.
    3) Fight to save civilisation for the good of the tribe
    4) Casual non-monogamous sex is sinful and wrong. Stop it.

    Hang on….that sounds like the Muslim code of conduct!

    Please Rollo, don’t become a blue pill guy like Neil Strauss of Roosh 😉

  58. @Radawn

    You are quickly losing all credibility here. Lots of strawmanning and MSU (making shit up). Pretty soon everyone will tell you to fuck off. Be warned.

  59. @WRaydown

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/18/are-you-experienced/comment-page-9/#comment-164864

    BluePillProfessor (July 29, 2016 at 9:52 am)

    Big Al- I am happy you are participating in MRP but you may have missed the point and inadvertently given support to many “anti-MRP” Red Pillers. One of the main objections to MRP from Red Pill Guys is that it gives young men the idea that it can work so why not? Married Red Pill provides an excuse to get married and ignore the entire thrust of the Red Pill!!

    That is not, and never was the intention of Married Red Pill. We are ALREADY married and are making the best of it. We favor STAYING married, NOT GETTING married!

    Can you MAKE it work? You bet! Is it worth it to get married? Not a chance!

    Tell us, Big-Al. Tell us what advantage you get by legally committing to this girl. Tell us why you must marry her to provide her security or to raise your kids. Tell us the advantages of being married. Tell us why a totally one sided binding agreement that is legally enforced for EVERYTHING the woman wants and NOTHING for what the man wants is good for you.

  60. @radawn

    Keep goin’ lad, it’s good to see someone challenging the regular arse lickers on here like @theasdgamer and @sjf. They think it’s a closed club for the boys. Very cult like. And I agree that marriage and churchgoing is anti red pill.

  61. @Radawn

    I just love to see a young man full of himself.So you get it women love oportunisticaly,they don’t nescessarily lust for nice guys see AF/BB.
    I regret that after you gain in experience with women,I may not be there to see you reconsider your stance.

  62. Engaged a couple of time, eh?

    That helps give some perspective to your views. So you think that because you experienced an awakening, everyone else here is still sleeping.

    I will tell you the same things I’ve said in the massive discussions that we’ve already had concerning marriage, which is for you to do whatever you want to do and do whatever your ability and limitations allow.

    The revelation that you can have ‘ casual sex ‘ with many women is new to you. In the years I’ve been here reading and commenting I’ve not heard anyone campaign against multiple sex partners. Lol. Nor has anyone ever dictated that men marry. These discussions always follow the same pattern though. A guy discovers RP after being demonstrably bp , and just. Can’t grasp or understand how men can succeed from an RP perspective, at what he’d struggled with.

    Then the trolling begins.😀

  63. “– You can’t violate tribal rules . . .”

    I would not be just a nothin’
    My head all full of stuffin’
    My heart all full of pain . . .

    You’d really be getting along much better here and find there are those in considerable agreement with you, if you could just stop all the chest poking and obvious dishonesty. What purpose do you think it serves you?

    “– Read the Bible . . .”

    Have you? The evidence suggests that you haven’t, because your criticisms appear to be arse pulled to anyone who has.

    “– In a civilised society, it’s all about monogamy . . .”

    I notice you didn’t even attempt to define marriage, so I suppose it’s pointless to ask if you can define civilization. Hint: monogamy doesn’t appear anywhere in it.

    To wrap it all up in one ball of wax, I note that all twelve of the Israelites were perfectly legitimate.

    “I’m enjoying being the alpha fucks. Love the company of
    beautiful women.”

    Good for you. Seriously. Can you honestly name a single commenter here who has any problem with that? Note the key word “honestly.”

    “Get married. It’s the best way to control women.”

    Again. Name one.

    ” Believe in God. Do the right thing. Or you’ll be punished.”

    There may be some here who believe that, to some extent, although the direct evidence of the latter is rather weak. Can you support it with quotations?

    ” Fight to save civilisation for the good of the tribe . . . ”

    There are aspects of civilization I’m not particularly keen on. On the other hand, I’m rather fond of bicycles, smooth paved roads to ride them on, public libraries and all that goes with them and the Internet and all that goes with it. I’d like to preserve them, for the good of myself.

    The tribe kinda goes along for the ride. A biological truth is that man did not evolve to be an effective lone wolf (and neither did wolves for that matter), and if you want the power of numbers you must come to some sort of accommodation with the numbers.

    “Casual non-monogamous sex is sinful and wrong. Stop it.”

    Citation from a commenter needed.

    “Hang on….that sounds like the Muslim code of conduct!”

    Islam meets the definition of a civilization. I note that the Muslim code of conduct lacks a term that you appear to have claimed is claimed to be essential to both civilization and Religion.

    See if you can formulate a reply that serves a purpose other than making a further public display of your anger and fundamental dishonesty.

  64. @Radawn: ” I’m 32, been engaged a couple of times but for the last 3 years since reading Rollo’s books . . . ”

    Is this period of time in which your realized your Christian church socialization was part of the Matrix?

  65. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

    It seems @theasdgamer, @kfg and the rest of the brady bunch are easily triggered haha. They certainly don’t like younger guys having their say.

    Still looking forward to all those Rollo post links about how beta Christian married men give hot women tingles….

    One….just one….

    😉

  66. ” Fight to save civilisation for the good of the tribe . . . ”

    There are aspects of civilization I’m not particularly keen on. On the other hand, I’m rather fond of bicycles, smooth paved roads to ride them on, public libraries and all that goes with them and the Internet and all that goes with it. I’d like to preserve them, for the good of myself.

    The tribe kinda goes along for the ride. A biological truth is that man did not evolve to be an effective lone wolf (and neither did wolves for that matter), and if you want the power of numbers you must come to some sort of accommodation with the numbers.

    Well spoken Kfg. I came to this realization at the ripe old age of 15, 32 seems late, I suppose when one follows the modern media barbarism looks like a viable option.Until one meets an alpha red pill omg that kicks ones arse. .

  67. @Radawn: “It seems @theasdgamer, @kfg and the rest of the brady bunch are easily triggered haha. They certainly don’t like younger guys having their say.”

    The answer would appear to be “no.”

  68. Someone posted a clip of a muslim omg with 13 wives or more leaning on a cane and laughing at the interviewer that was mono.

    This made me think that all the millenial age muslim men were of the track and left the women behind to the old man’s care. Barbarism

    I feel the need to pay close attention to puerto rico in the next few years as this may hold prophetic.

  69. I’ll be at the 21 Convention to see Rollo talk.

    Will @kgf, @theasdgamer and @blaximus be there with their wives and kids?

    And guys…it’s Sunday…shouldn’t you be on your way to church?

  70. @Radawn

    “I’ll be at the 21 Convention to see Rollo talk.

    Will @kgf, @theasdgamer and @blaximus be there with their wives and kids?

    And guys…it’s Sunday…shouldn’t you be on your way to church?”

    If these guys don’t make it I’ll be there as proxy,look me up I’ll buy you a beer.

    My grandpa went to church,the first time they threw water on him,the second time they threw rice on him and the last time they threw dirt on him. Nobodys seen him since,thats why I don’t go where people are always throwing stuff at me.

  71. Still looking forward to all those Rollo post links about how beta Christian married men give hot women tingles….

    Well, being married is beta by Vox’s definition…Vox bases his definition on a demographic. But Rollo asserts, “Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.” It seems to me that Rollo’s definition of beta is not being able to set and maintain your frame; alphas maintain frame; betas capitulate to the frame of others.

    So we get a wide variety of what makes a man Alpha – he’s the guy of high moral character, princely ambition and integrity, as well as the self-important cad banging his wife and “their” girlfriend. They are BOTH Alpha. Thus I would propose that while certainly contextual, objective Alpha-ness is NOT exclusive to social status or personal integrity, but rather an attitude of expressly manifested traits. These can be innate or learned, but the definition is not dependent on moral grounds (or a lack of). A scoundrel and a champion can be equally Alpha or Beta in their own psyche’s.

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/21/defining-alpha/

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/06/29/the-origin-of-alpha/

  72. There are other links to pertinent info at Rollo’s blog, including:

    https://therationalmale.com/tag/alpha-male/

    @kfg @Blaximus @all

    I think that what is driving Radawn is the fear that he can’t perform in a marriage and make it a success. He feels threatened by those of us with successful (so far!) marriages.

    Radawn needs to face his demons. Otherwise he will become the stereotypical man that women talk about who is aged and unmarried…a lonely old man. You can be single and old and not be lonely, but not if you don’t face those demons. Radawn must be the man who could make a go of marriage (at least is confident that he could), but chooses not to.

    I think that this fear is behind a lot of the YSG mindset. Obviously, older single guys like kfg have dealt with these demons.

  73. @Radawn: “Will @kgf, @theasdgamer and @blaximus be there with their wives and kids?
    And guys…it’s Sunday…shouldn’t you be on your way to church?”

    Do you even read the comments you “respond” to? This is just plain trolling.

  74. @Radawn

    I was enjoying the company of beautiful women last night. I danced with a shit-ton of them. One girl engaged me in convo as I was passing her table, “I see you dancing with a lot of women. You are very smooth.”

    There was a bouncer at my bar who has avoided me in the past. I was able to engage him in convo and give him social proof and we are now on Ok terms.

    So, I am a beta loser because I’m married and Christian. Lol Whatever floats your boat.

  75. Rad-yawn

    What’s your problem?

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/26/whats-your-problem/

    ….It really is a matter of life or death sometimes. Understanding Game, for lack of a better term, how and why it functions, is literally a survival skill. Think about the importance of the decisions we make based on uninquisitive, flimsy and misdirected presumption we have been conditioned to believe about love, gender, sex, relationships, etc. Think about the life impact that these decisions have not only on ourselves, but our families, the children that result from them, and every other domino that falls as a repercussion. We rarely stop to think about how our immediate decisions impact people we may not even know at the time we make them. What we do in life, literally, echoes or ripples into eternity. That’s not to go all fortune cookie on you, but it is my reasoning behind my desire to educate, to study, to tear down and build back up what most would ask, “why bother?” –Rollo Tomassi

    Why’d you become a Red Piller?

  76. kfg: “You’d really be getting along much better here and find there are those in considerable agreement with you, if you could just stop all the chest poking and obvious dishonesty. What purpose do you think it serves you?”

    Keyboard chest poking and dishonesty might be the only avenue available to raise his T level. In which case it serves a purpose of sorts.
    Minter’s Law applies.

  77. A field report of sorts…

    So, my old guy strategy has been to find hot sluts under 30 who click with my older guy alpha vibe. As an interesting aside, I recently found out that there are some girls identify as “sapiophiles”, and my on again/off again hb9 project is one. She submits to me for my mind. It’s so interesting with her, she became red pill on her own, via Reddit and other places online. I began explaining to her why she’s losing her mind at 29 after riding the cock carousel so hard. Even shared this with her.

    She can’t get all the way through it yet without crying. Fyi, she’s a friend who on occasion does sexual favors for me. Not ideal for me at all, but then again, she’s a filthy girl and re-enacts porn videos with me. But the truth of it? There is not enough arousal from me for her. She loves my mind, not muhdick. Which is okay, as far as it goes. She’s actually quite a smart girl, easy to hang with, i see infrequently and we know not to push it too far.

    Enough about all that. What I’ve realized is that it’s impossible to have a loving relationship with these used up sluts. I used to say “I love sluts, they make the world go ’round”. And given my sexual strategy, sure, that made sense. But they are insane and broken. It might be fun to fuck her now and again – BUT THAT’S IT.

    Wow. It’s interesting to inspect what I want and how I’m doing at getting it for myself. Turns out that settling for wild sex with young sluts actually doesn’t really do that much for me. I do think I’ve needed to do this, in part as an act of revenge on women collectively (every man should know what it’s like to hate fuck a woman and have her love it) and also to fully own my sexuality. Like it’s been really nice to just get off and do what I want and make sex about me and my filthy appetites, but that’s just me reclaiming what was already mine. It’s repair, not addition.

    Turns out that no matter how far down her throat, or how deep in her ass or pussy you go, it’s just sex. Fun, and certainly a fundamental impulse but still, it’s just sex. I’m glad I’ve run little deep throat training clinics with several girls, and know for sure how much women enjoy being filthy sluts now. I’m glad I know that all of them are up for being someone’s personal porn star – and that it’s not actually nearly as big a deal to them as it is to me, lol.

    But now what? How do I as a 54yo man find a way forward? I’m serious. Fyi, I’ve revised my lifeplan. It’s funny, it’s as though there was this meta blue pill residue on all aspects of my life that i’ve been scraping off over the past year. like living by the lake up in the woods. it’s far too isolated. and i ran away up here to lower the pressure and help with anxiety, but that’s all negative. i’m an intensely social guy at times, and love being in the thick of the world too.

    I also hate this society, just being in it and watching it circle the bowl causes me existential angst. So, I’ve rewritten the lifeplan. Going straight to the boat now. Live super cheap until I buy the bluewater cruiser that suits me, move aboard and live on it until I can untie from the dock permanently. 5 year countdown financially, it’s nice to have my biz and money on track. Still a fair amount of risk but my plan is realistic and on track to have me at a nice mid 7 figure net worth. I don’t need to retire to Boca or to some multimillion dollar yacht. I can live very nicely on what i plan to have and be independent and self-sufficient. An upside of being unmarried in retirement? Much cheaper. And while a boat will cost you real money every once in a while, a handy, cheap guy can run a boat for peanuts. Anchor a lot instead of going to a dock, and provision up in the right places, one can live aboard easily for 2500 a month and live quite well. Food, fuel, everything.

    There are places in this world that are very remote, and resource light and really proceed along without much regard to geopolitics etc. You might not want to become a citizen or stay there forever, but there are many places that you can go and have very little contact with the insanity of our world. And I intend to head to a bunch of them. I’ve heard there are some lovely atolls a couple of hundred miles north of Mauritius that are uninhabited but a sailor can drop his hook and live there for weeks at at time. I could spend an entire day first hitting golf balls off the beach and then go diving to collect them. Lol. Or following turtles. Or writing.

    At one point i was told to find a widow, but I’ve tried that twice now and I’m not sure that is a cure for anything. I think the best I can do is episodic stints with one woman at at time. I’m not going to marry a virgin 23yo and start a family now, I don’t want to do that. So the rest really is a compromise. It’s kind of stunning when I really let it roll over me. It even makes me angrier because despite this world, I had the right lifeplan. I found a high value woman and set up a traditional household, and dug in. But marriage itself blue pilled me, as it’s institutionally corrupted now. Basically marriages is a one way street with all obligations for a man but no corresponding privileges – privileges in a marriage are for women. Even worse, then I internalized the “good man” script, and killed my hottie wife’s attraction to me. But my initial instincts towards a traditional family setup were all correct. I came close, just didn’t pick the right girl. I tasted what some of the OMGs here lived with, I had a slight whiff of what that life could have been like. But not anymore, and I really never wanted any other version of life.

    On another level, I thought that TRP was going to help me “fix” everything. Nope. The truth is that there are very few women capable of being dedicated, sweet and loving due to how badly their psychology has been destroyed via femcentric, radfem values. We’ve overridden femininity in a very basic way. We used to treasure virginity and chastity for a reason, now we think it’s weird of a sign of being a loser. Turns out women traded their sanity away along with their chastity. Fyi, Lauren Southern mispronounces “chaste” (chayst phonetically) in the video. The word is so rarely spoken publicly, she doesn’t even know how to pronounce it. LOL. It’s really too rich.

    My HB9 really is a cockblind slut who can’t be faithful to anyone. I’m the only one she talks to about it and it’s wild to listen to Red Pill truths tumble out of her mouth. But here’s the thing – she’s miserable. She first Red Pilled after an abortion, just about when I met her almost 3 years ago. We didn’t know each of us was on a TRP path until recently. She’s kind of insane, as she cycles through it all so rapidly now. Being very hot she has endless choices of men. She’s allowed herself to get all her various needs met by different men, whenever she wanted it and now, after all that conditioning, cannot stop. She’s the proverbial pickle that will never be a cucumber again. Fyi, I’ve been through this with several other younger women, but never had the honesty and closeness HB9 and I have so the communication about all this, post her RP awakening has been so interesting.

    And she’s angry. She’s angry at how she was lied to and how badly she’s already fucked up her life. If you watch Lauren’s video above, you’ll note how Lauren uses the metaphor of wealth to compare men and women, with women being born rich and men being born poor in terms of the sexual marketplace. While not completely true, it does outrage HB9 cuz she now realizes she squandered a fortune of SMV. Because she was lied to. By the Left. She had an abortion and nearly lost her mind. In part because she’d been programmed to believe she shouldn’t have all the feelings she had about killing her own baby. She wasn’t helped along, the father was a beta pussy non-provider who mooched off of her. And society basically cheerleaded her killing her baby. And that’s not all.

    The left told her that her family was crap. That any shaming of her sexuality was oppression. That she didn’t need to get married and have kids to be happy. That abortion was no big deal. That promiscuity was alright as long as she was “safe”, lol. That tradition could be ignored and thrown in the garbage. That youth and young people were inherently morally superior. That life was about feeling good now. That how she felt about herself moment to moment was the most important thing. That self-discipline and delayed gratification were simply not necessary things. And that the old ways were garbage and that any form of tradition was useless and usually oppression of some sort.

    She now sees it all. Can’t really help her with it much. I also have firm boundaries with her so I don’t get sucked in. I love her with a small “L”, but I take care of me first now. It’s so interesting. I don’t let myself kid myself about her for too long. Or even better said, sometimes I let myself run away in a romantic fantasy with her, that she enjoys too, but I never forget it’s shortlived and merely a whiff of what I really want. Like she’s not coming on the boat with me. And this is the thought that kind of had me write al this out. I would never invite her on the boat for the long term, nope. She’s broken.

    As for me? There are outliers. I don’t need every woman to be able to make it work, just one. At a time, lol. Maybe I will find a long term situation with a woman. But I don’t have any illusions that just getting sex, even filthy, great sex, is solely what I seek from a woman.

    What I want has become even clearer too. It’s femininity, and sweetness and gentleness and sensitivity. I want to be depended on, and listened to as well. I want a woman who takes great pleasure in making a home and supporting me. I probably won’t find it, but at least now i know what i’m looking for. And I also know how to settle and get some dirty sex here and there, which isn’t bad. As long as I don’t try and turn that into a love story, which is what the blue pill would always have me do. I have finally killed this impulse within me.

    Life is really starting to get interesting now. Hope all here are well.

  78. @Scribbler: “I also hate this society, just being in it and watching it circle the bowl causes me existential angst.”

    We hadn’t noticed.

    “Going straight to the boat now. Live super cheap until I buy the bluewater cruiser that suits me, move aboard and live on it until I can untie from the dock permanently.”

  79. @KFG – What’s with the “we”, have you got a mouse in your pocket or something? Was there an election making you a spokesmen for others here? Or do you just enjoy pretending you have authority you don’t possess?

    Fyi, my derisive comments here all stand. Not seeing the central role of the Left in bringing about the femcentric social order, and the pseudo-intellectuality of much of the alt right are huge issues. Sure, Voxday has some great insights, but when you put his worldview under a microscope, there are serious holes. In many ways these guys don’t get the same thing the Left never got. Classical liberalism was never a complete ideology, it was the emergent order that balanced off individualism with the needs of a nation and a state. It demanded personal virtue and moral rectitude, and rewarded diligence and probity and prudence. It helped balance the individual’s responsibility to the group with the sovereignty of self. It’s essentially a way of balancing all those moral concerns. It provides one with a set of heuristics, not axiomatic truths that can be argued from deontologically. This seems to dissatisfy alt righters much in the way it does leftists. While the critique of SJWs from the alt right is good, as are the willingness to digest evolutionary psychology and biology, the conclusions alt righters draw are not required.
    In fact, they fly in the fact of a lot of empirical truth.

    Vox and Spencer want to roll back to feudal times, essentially. LMFAO. That’s their brilliant vision. In many ways, they have as little to offer as the left in terms of a vision to move forward with.

    But the many of you here who identify with them can carry on kidding yourselves, it’s your prerogative. Just as it is mine to call bullshit on it. And to carry on not giving a fuck. As I do…

  80. “What I want has become even clearer too. It’s femininity, and sweetness and gentleness and sensitivity. I want to be depended on, and listened to as well. I want a woman who takes great pleasure in making a home and supporting me. I probably won’t find it, but at least now i know what i’m looking for. And I also know how to settle and get some dirty sex here and there, which isn’t bad. As long as I don’t try and turn that into a love story, which is what the blue pill would always have me do. I have finally killed this impulse within me.”

    LOL. What you need is Heather.
    The 2 of you can pass mutual validations to each other.

  81. “Fyi, my derisive comments here all stand.”

    We hadn’t noticed.

    “This seems to dissatisfy alt righters . . .”

    How are they dissatisfied with it without getting that that’s what they are dissatisfied with?

    “Vox and Spencer want to roll back to feudal times, essentially.”

    Don’t tell me. Tell them. Seriously, I would like to see that discussion, if you are capable of conducting yourself in such a discussion.

  82. @Scribblerg: beware the desire of achieving a blue pill goal with RP awareness. It can’t work. You can’t go back.

  83. @scrib

    If your HB9 wants to recover, she needs some time not being around men where she can think things through…a sojourn in a convent for a year might be the thing.

  84. Guys should never volunteer themselves in service of broken broads, regardless of their ( bullshit and worthless ) ‘ HB ‘ rating. I’ve always posited that it’s a form of destructive pedestalization for all but the most RP versed and game savvy.

    Actions ( should ) have consequences. It’s not up to men to help or save hoes. A carousel riding 9 is still just another hoe at the end of the day. Feeling awful about stupid, fucked up choices is normal, and you can’t fix normal.

    This is the beta/blue pill work of the FI in all of it’s glory.

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