Weekend Interviews

So I had the pleasure of speaking not only with Mark Baxter once again, but also Carl from Black Label Logic. If you’re not familiar with Carl you really ought to (he’s on my blogroll links on the sidebar). Between he and Illimitable Men these men have become Red Pill staples for a couple of years for me now. I wont spoil the interview for you, but Mark is a master of digging through my backlog of posts and hitting me with some unexpected and fresh questions. We get back to red pill 101 covering topics like Buffers and abundance. It’s about two solid hours of great Red Pill fundamentals.

Have a listen here.

Next up, I did an interview with entrepreneur, and fellow 21 Convention speaker, Richard Cooper about 3 weeks ago.

Richard hit me up almost a couple of months prior to this after making a hard Red Pill unplugging himself and made my books the focus of that in one of his YouTube videos. I’ll have to say Richard’s interview style is very personal and I get into some personal background with him here. I generally try to stay on Red Pill point, but Richard likes to dig deep here. Be forewarned, I was coming back from some allergies and using Skype from my laptop for this, so if the audio’s not great, hopefully the content is worth it. After this interview and looking into Richard’s other videos I suggested to Anthony Johnson that he’d be a good inclusion at the 21 Convention and I’m happy to say he’s onboard for this year.

And finally, Anthony from the 21 Convention has remastered the audio from our interview from last week, complete with show notes and links. You can listen here.

Hopefully that’s not too much of my voice for the weekend. For what it’s worth, I’m toying with the idea of starting a YouTube channel myself, but I’m not sure my schedule these days would make it anything more than an occasional thing. But, let me know if you think that might be a good idea.

Also, let me know if you have any questions about anything I cover in these, or feel free to start a discussion thread about any topic from these interviews.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@ Eh

Lol.

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@ Eh

What the novice misses when they refer to ‘ bad boy ‘ are what are the qualities and mechanisms at play with regards to how and why women find these types attractive. Peel back the layers of the onion.

One can embody bad boy without breaking any laws or destroying property, lol,.

Anyone can develop the mindset without the attending negative repercussions usually associated. Women can’t tell any difference. They only hear their emotions and hindbrain spikes.

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Guys should never volunteer themselves in service of broken broads,

Years ago I decided that I didn’t want to be around any “Kit: Some assembly required” type women who were looking to be compleeeeted. Because there’s always baggage they ain’t talking about, and there’s always some pieces missing from the kit. It comes down to “how much energy should a man expend in daily relationship maintenance”, and “all you got” is not the right answer.

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The Left wants to revert to feudal times as well, at least in respect to your being a serf. Enjoy your Basic Income and complete lack of freedom.

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ROLLO I read one of black label logic essays not bad. I’ve also read a little bit of Dalrock and some illimitable man in the past. The problem being that there is so much red pill literature. Who has time to read all the different blogers and writers even thow they are all good. In your interview you stated that a man that goes red pill is actually going mgtow. I wonder what the percentage is of men that read and fully grasp red pill is ? Maybe 1 or 2 percent of the the total population ? Is it… Read more »

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Susan Rice is balking at talking.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-susan-rice-russian-interference-20170503-story.html

Trump is diverting attention once again away from his association with Flynn by tweeting attention towards leaking classified information.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-tweets-sally-yates-flynn

Meanwhile…. across the pond…. France is defining itself not as a mommy state, but as a mommy boy state……

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Susan Rice is balking at talking.

Kind of a change for her. She already put a big target on her back, “Send me to jail.”

Trump is diverting attention once again away from his association with Flynn by tweeting attention towards leaking classified information.

Who gives a shit? And why the fuck are you linking the babblings of a skullfullofmushleftisttwat?

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https://therationalmale.com/2013/06/20/smv-ratios-attachment/

Isn’t the strategy of an man dating women with SMVs lower than his really nothing more than a buffer?

If not, then why not?

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Here is the paradox, the irony of MGTOW…. MGTOW is a lie or distortion at best, as there without exception lies and distortions behind all paradoxes and ironies. Any paradox or irony is such simply because actual conditions contradict expectations or perceptions that do not align with reality. But I will not delve into the philosophy of it beyond that, here is the meat of it concerning MGTOW…. MGTOW is not MGTOW. It is a fallacious pretense of control. We are all born into the game and we are each a part of the game. This is life. Death is… Read more »

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The MGTOW national anthem…

“WOE am I”

Way Of Eunuchs am I…

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“If not, then why not?”

Because biology is not equalist.

“THE WAY OF MEN INCLUDES HAVING THEIR WAY WITH WOMEN.”

Their way with women. Not your way with women.

“In other words the whole idea is quite litterally fucking stupid.”

If you are stupid enough to define it as celibacy.

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Women are superior to men only in their ability to serve men in ways men cannot serve themselves better than women can. Men are superior to women only in ways they can serve women better than women can serve themselves. This is the way we and all other sexually dimorphic species are formed. We are sexually dimorphic despite all the political bullshit pretending that we aren’t, pervading pop culture today that is spilling into the “scientific community” (more stupid fucking nonsense no better than MGTOW, exposed for what it is in my previous comment). Our natural state is the most… Read more »

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“Our natural state is the most beneficial . . .”

In our natural state dimorphism means that men and women spend most of their time apart from each other, as they each tend to those matters in which they are superior.

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“Our natural state is the most beneficial, mutually complimentary and enjoyable.” “In our natural state dimorphism means that men and women spend most of their time apart from each other, as they each tend to those matters in which they are superior.” Sexual dimorphism also mean more work for men to get laid. Sometimes spending those resources is not as enjoyable than most men want. (Why do you think the manosphere was invented?) And usually only one of the sexes contributes to the survival of the offspring in dimorphic species. (I’ve been watching deer overpopulate. The bucks investment is a… Read more »

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“Sexual dimorphism also mean more work for men to get laid.” But the pool of women who men find acceptably attractive is larger than the pool of men women find acceptably attractive. Equalist men will complain that this isn’t fair, but it is a balance of social forces that makes it about equally hard for men and women to have sex with who they want to. “Why do you think the manosphere was invented?” With a few rare exceptions, such as Jack Donovan, observation suggests it is to give men an outlet to focus on women. That is the paradox… Read more »

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FR that doesn’t belong in Field Reports: This morning I had my way with women by excluding them from my house. I spent some time practicing shoulder-sight-dry fire, with TRM up on the computer in the background. Then I went out and found a woman and acquired her gathering of eggs. That was also having my way with her. Gathering eggs for me is all I desired of her. Nonetheless, the interaction was such that I pulled her out of her frame, into mine, and left her permanently better than I found her, and she thanked me for it. Now… Read more »

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With a few rare exceptions, such as Jack Donovan, observation suggests it is to give men an outlet to focus on women. That is the paradox of the manosphere, how little focus is actually given to men.

The last 90 years has made women into a bigger problem than they used to be.
From my monitor I see a lot of discussion of the “problem solving” sort in the androsphere.
Most of it having to do with the woman problem, but not all of it.

No matter how thorn resistant a bicycle tire tube is, there’s always an irresistable thorn.

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@Born last night

MGTOW isn’t an escape from reality,initialy it is an escape to reality and from Fem Primary social order….

After a man has spent some time MGHOW then he can decide himself weather or not to reinvest himself in todays latest thing or as some say “reality”.

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“The last 90 years has made women into a bigger problem than they used to be.”

I have experienced the majority of that environment and have had intimate social contact with those who experienced the whole of it – and beyond!

“No matter how thorn resistant a bicycle tire tube is, there’s always an irresistable thorn.”

“Tube” is not an inherent part of the definition of “bicycle tire.”

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This is seriously good stuff. If I could convince every blue-pilled, blue-balled sad creature I know to listen to all of them, my corner of the world would be a far happier place. And that includes the women they know.

Which reminds me: then there’s this.

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@Peregrinejohn

In the link referenced by you: Why An Alpha Female Is The Best Girlfriend You’ll Ever Have By Andrea Wesley. I’d highly suspect a 31 year old freelance writer living in the suburbs of Vancouver, Canada would be an Unreliable Narrator. And Make Shit Up. (For no other reason than: needs a paycheck and wants to put writing skills to work.)

And that Alpha Female fiction story was already written by Gillian Flynn in Gone Girl. I wouldn’t suspect the non-fiction plot story would turn out well.

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True, that. Thus, the difference once again between ideology, which tries to alter reality, and praxaeology, which makes use of it.

I’ve never had a good definition of “alpha female” given me. That article makes me suspect they’ve little idea of what an alpha male is to begin with.

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Ladies, hold your nose and marry the nerds! The latest advice from Sheryl Sandberg:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-tells-women-to-marry-the-nerds/ar-BBAOwoH?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=SL5DDHP

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“I’ve never had a good definition of “alpha female” given me.”

That would require acknowledging that women have a biologically innate, separate and different social structure than do men.

So they’ll just go on insisting that they’re cartoons of men with tits. Only better, because Pussy Power, or . . . something.

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@TLC

Sandberg game= nerd clothing and a supportive attitude, sounds easy to pull off if a guy didn’t have to wait for marriage to get a sample.

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I’ve never had a good definition of “alpha female” given me.

I’m sure it is situational.

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@kfg: So they’ll just go on insisting that they’re cartoons of men with tits. Only better, because Pussy Power, or . . . something.

Feelz. Their two most powerful definitions are feelz, intuition, and shoes.

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“Feelz. Their two most powerful definitions are feelz, intuition, and shoes.”

Additionally, shoes, shoes, and shoes.

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Sandberg game= nerd clothing and a supportive attitude, sounds easy to pull off if a guy didn’t have to wait for marriage to get a sample.

Depends on what she defines as ‘supportive attitude’, frankly I suspect “kitchen bitch” is on the list. When buying a used car, check for previous damage and if possible see how many owners.

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Sound quality is really bad. Also its too damn slow is there any way to condense it or speed it up?

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Not only that, but the porridge is too damn cold!

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Yeah, cuz Sandburg is bagging uebertech wizard billionaire Brian Kotick

“Encouraged by her in-laws, Sandberg eventually started dating too. Her current beau is Bobby Kotick, who runs the gaming company Activision Blizzard and comes from the same brand of mensch as Goldberg.”

Plug yer nose for the rest: http://time.com/sheryl-sandberg-option-b/

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C’mon now
https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/14/hyenas/

I stand corrected. Well, sit at the moment. That had slipped my mind.

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“Why do you think the manosphere was invented?” With a few rare exceptions, such as Jack Donovan, observation suggests it is to give men an outlet to focus on women. That is the paradox of the manosphere, how little focus is actually given to men. Observation also suggests that while the manosphere should be a venue by which men seek to “sneak off by themselves to talk about the secret and sacred aspects of hunting, fighting and tool making. Hell I do that all the time. And Game is actually social tool making. Game is a toolbox. Use it. And… Read more »

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For those inclined to follow the metaphor that game is a toolbox:

Great essay by Ian Ironwood (this guy goes on forever about red pill truths) on tool boxing it. @ the red pill room blogspot dot com.

(Wednesday, June 4, 2014
Aunt Giggles Doesn’t Get It: The Red Pill Is The Toolbox)

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2014/06/aunt-giggles-doesnt-get-it-red-pill-is.html

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@SJF And Game is actually social tool making. People with autism have to work continually on developing social skills. Improving their Game. Likely, the same goes for neurotypicals (NTs) as well. Young autists need mentors and friends who know what to do if autistic men are to successfully reproduce. Men especially. I’m unusual in that I’m both autistic AND a natural (to some degree, lol). However, Red Pill understanding would be a major benefit to autistic men in helping them reproduce and become more financially successful. Mentors can help other men develop their own social tools. NB: Lest you think… Read more »

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“The point is not to grind yourself into the ground to get with women, the point is to self improve in a masculine fashion and have women come to you.” “You can’t set sail with your anchor down. ” I’m co-opting the anchor reference. Going all in, everywhere in my life, I found the reconstruction easier per se than dragging it out. Improve me qua me, in all scenarios. I didn’t need to a la carte my personality, one at home, one in social circles, one at work, one with women, another with men. Easier for me. I wasn’t going… Read more »

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Looking for a recent video posted in either the last 2 articles or in field reports – some chick talking about how multiple partners is harmful etc. I’d like to forward that link to somebody but for the life of me I can’t find it

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Maybe: https://youtu.be/oxHIftZVfrQ

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That’s it. Thanks

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“@ SJF Listening to the thinking mind vs. the feeling heart comment was great.” I needed to bone up on any deficiencies I had in my strong ego which propels me in a positive direction. Rollo has remotely mentioned that critics are positive in propelling a guy to voice his true convictions. If you can’t rebut them, you don’t have clear sail in your own convictions. Every critic of red pill here has strengthened my convictions. Every Big Ego critic here has strengthened my lack of Ego getting in my way. Special thanks and H/T to Andy and KFG for… Read more »

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“Occasionally one guy will have two weeks of frightening dreams.”

Word. 2 AM, staring at the dark ceiling, working through all the future permutations. Thinking was fruitless and I knew it. Overwrought micromanagement.

Control is a foil for success.

Much better now and thank you.

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Listened to the interview. Rollo mentioned his GF handing off the car keys…

Early 90’s, I, dating 19 y.o. Mrs. Eh. She’s driving a ’74 3 speed, column shift Skylark. I always drove. Fortunately, I learned on a ’65 GMC pickup and was familiar with the friction zone, the sticking 2nd gear which required me to immediately put a channel lock spanner in her car. Weekly, I’d pop the hood and yank a stuck gear rod.

She drove the rim to mush once so I could fix the flat. Funny now.

Good times.

I heard the military went all automatic transmission long ago.

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I routinely run into many young men that have never driven a manual transmisioned vehicle. It used to be a right of passage, or so I thought.

If it has wheels you needed to be able to drive it.

But it’s gonna get worse skill-wise as the auto braking, lane departure warning systems become more wide spread.

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Taking apart a car an putting it back together used to be a sort of right of passage too.
Today everything is so computerized and complicated things that used to be pretty basic can be a real ordeal.
Good luck even finding a manual in a new car these days.

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@Not Born This Morning In it’s current form MGTOW is a flawed doctrine. But spare a thought, not all are born equal. A great majority are compromised at birth in their ability to play the game. Wrong height, little facial symmetry, poor complexion. You name the disqualifying features and most of us have our share. Is it wrong in these circumstance for someone to want to withdraw from the game? You’re right when you intimate proponents of MGTOW are pretending to quit the sexual arena. But this quote from Ed Latimore seems to encapsulate the irrational psychology of it all.… Read more »

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@ not born this morning it’s not a eunuch road For me. Just thinking on my journey I might want to go hike the Appalachian trail or go do some inshore fishing on a kayak on my weekends off instead of chasing poon. Yes it’s incel but life is more than poon. I got 3 kids and I fucked 14 woman in my 40 years. If I knew ROLLO earlier the count would be higher. The paradox is not a existential life choice for me but a thought of new adventure that I have not accomplished. I fear I’m running… Read more »

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Mgtow is just mgtow it doesn’t make you less masculine

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But this quote from Ed Latimore seems to encapsulate the irrational psychology of it all. ““Fake it till you make it”. I once read that “it’s easier to act your way into a new way of thinking than it is to think yourself into a new way of acting”. Confidence is a state of mind and nothing else. At the end of the day, it’s a thought process which makes you act with the conviction that your desires will come to pass. If you take physical action that leads you closer to your desire–even if you don’t believe you can… Read more »

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Had a conversation today with an older liberal feminist female that I know well enough for her to tell me she had an abortion when she was 28. She never married, no children, is 69 and well past the wall and down the hill so to say. We were leaving lunch and she saw a small insect on a brick wall outside the door. This bug was tiny. She made such a big deal out of it, that I was disgusted. Oohhh, ooohhh, she cooed about it as if she thought it was the most precious thing in the universe.… Read more »

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“In it’s current form MGTOW is a flawed doctrine.” Can you quote from the doctrine? From the original manifesto: “By instilling masculinity in men, we make men self-reliant, proud, and independent. By instilling femininity in women, we make them nurturing, supporting, and responsible.” Of course that is MGTOW 1.0. In MGTOW 2.0 it is generally held that the environment has changed too much for the original manifesto to be relevant. Men being self-reliant, proud and independent remains, however. At its core MGTOW is simply men maintaining themselves as their own mental point of reference. As a corollary it required self-reliance… Read more »

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MGTOW is not weakness. MGTOW is not running away. And most of all MGTOW is not incel sour grapes, no matter how many sour incels wear it as a mask. I understand the term is fraught, but I don’t know the whole story on how or why that came about. We used to call it Mountain Man, as in “he’s gone Mountain Man”. It was modeled on the real thing from the late 1700’s early 1800’s, but you could call a man that as recently as the 1980’s and he would not take it as any kind of insult. More… Read more »

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” . . . other regions probably had similar men with their own colloquial labels.”

There are still actual Mountain Men in the Adirondacks. They generally only come into town twice a year, once in the spring and once in the fall.

The sort you describe would be more like Fur Trappers.

“Not sure why MGTOW is problematic.”

There’s more than one way to buffer. Telling women “No” is the great social taboo.

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MGTOW is perceived by most of the manosphere as buffering…avoiding women to buffer their lack of Game and frame. If having yourself as your MPO is MGTOW, then most of the manosphere is MGTOW. Even married men, lol. Kind of makes MGTOW an oxymoron, doesn’t it?

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“MGTOW is perceived by most of the manosphere as buffering…” The majority of men live lives of quietly, desperately trying to get women to say, “Yes.” “If having yourself as your MPO is MGTOW . . .” I said it is the core, not that it is the whole. Self-reliance and independence are important as well. The one thing that all MGTOW outside of the Elam clique (which tried to co-opt MGTOW as an AVfM brand) agree on is that married men cannot be MGTOW, because they have reduced their options below the threshold of sufficient independence. I’ll note, however,… Read more »

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I wonder if there’s anything that happens around age 30 in women that would make this tweet sound more reasonable…

https://twitter.com/elysianprimrose/status/862426128090353664

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Fur trapping… Good name for a Game blog. But maybe with all the shaving today the whole beaver reference is lost.

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@Sentient,

Nah, beaver is still beaver.
Took my girl kayaking a few days ago celebrating her birthday. Had a great time on a protected estuary. Lots of wildlife to enjoy observing. Bald eagles, herons, turtles and beaver. I counted 7 beaver that were busy at work. When we got back and we’re pulling the yak out of the water she says “how many beaver did we see?” Me: “7, but let’s make it 8.”
She promptly pulled down her yoga pants laughing and gave me a good look at her beaver. Was hilarious moment and fun way to sexualize the situ.

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MGTOW, Mountain Men, monks, and hermits…. What else does “MGTOW” Mean other than “going their own way” as opposed to going in any way with women? Doesn’t “going their own way” in the MGTOW context refer to men who are going a direction that is not a direction that women go AND is not a direction that women and men go together? MGTOW by definition solicits man to “go his own way” as opposed to the woman way or the man-woman way. Why else has M.G.Their.Own.W. entitled itself, defined itself, as such? MGTOW establishes itself as men going a direction… Read more »

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“What else does “MGTOW” Mean other than “going their own way” as opposed to going in any way with women?” Originally it meant not going the way of the Men’s Rights Movement, which was increasingly going the fem-centric egalitarian way. Now it simply means, going, ya know, your own way. Being your own mental point of origin. There is no doctrine to quote because their is no doctrine. Q: Why has the Libertarian Party never been able to form a cohesive mass movement? A: Because it’s full of libertarians. Other than the non-initiation of force principle, there is really nothing… Read more »

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Dalrock
http://wp.me/pXWyH-bIR

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A youtube channel would be excellent for 2 reasons. 1, you’ve got outstanding content. 2, you’ve got an excellent voice

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