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If there’s one Google search term that’s become synonymous with The Rational Male it’s the word ‘Hypergamy’. Seriously, Google it.

If you listen to my seminar lecture from the Man in Demand conference from last year (sidebar), you’ll get why I believe that Hypergamy is one of the most important factors driving our feminine-primary social order. I didn’t mention it in the lecture, but when I was writing the outline for that talk I titled my notes ‘Hypergamy; From the Micro to the Macro’. If you consider how women have evolved to be sexual selector or filters for what, on a subconscious level, is really directing the breeding course of the human race it behoves a man to understand the biochemical influences that predispose women to Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

One thing I get asked a lot about with respect to the hormonal nature of Hypergamy (ovulatory shift) is that most hormonal forms of birth control predispose women to the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy because essentially their biochemistry is tricked into thinking it’s already pregnant.

I’ve covered this in the past, but I usually answer this by pointing out that the biological hardware and firmware of a woman still means her sexuality is cyclic while men’s is always-on. It may be that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift are less pronounced in a woman that’s on the pill, and even then women technically go off the pill on their placebo weeks, but the evolved mechanics don’t change. However, it’s no great secret that these mechanics become suppressed in women. This is just the cost of a women’s monopoly on a concealed form of birth control.

Milo Yianopolous generated a predictable outrage with his post Birth Control Makes Women Crazy, but it’s only pushing women’s indignation buttons because all his observations are true.

  • Birth control makes women fat
  • The hormones in birth control alters women’s voices to a sexually disadvantageous tone, evolutionarily speaking
  • Birth control distorts female subcoms that men consider sexy
  • It predisposes women to disregard their evolved sexual filtering mechanisms

There are other bullet points Milo covered in this article, however, the most important one I think ought to be considered here is:

Birth Control Makes Women Choose the Wrong Mates

It’s already established that going on the Pill makes you less attractive to men. But it also affects who you’re attracted to as well. Healthy, fertile women seek out men who are genetically different to them. Women on the Pill do the opposite, seeking out men who are closer to their own tribe.

Now, all that considered, when we introduce a variable like Vasalgel to the social mix it is possible that women’s sexual attitudes will progressively shift to a more natural state when and if the presumption of birth control falls mostly on men. Granted, most women who’re aware of Vasalgel at this point are enthusiastic about it. The common refrain is always the default of shaming men and how it’s about time men shoulder the “burden” of birth control , or how relieved they’d be for not having to remember to take a pill once a day and how they hate how it makes them feel.

This response from women is usually followed by, “But you could never trust irresponsible men to be honest about it, so women will still have to take the pill as a fail-safe for stupid and untrusted men.” So, at least initially, I’d have to be a bit skeptical that women’s birth control-influenced sexual habits and the social mandates that follow from them would be significantly impacted.

However, this also brings us to a point where we should consider how men and women in a monogamous or semi-monogamous state will have those relationships altered by a woman trusting a man enough, or confirming he’s on, with Vasalgel to the point that she abandons her own hormonal birth control. Hypothetically, consider this; a woman who was attracted to that man while under the influence of hormonal birth control now has her biochemistry revert back to a natural state.

There are quite a few studies that posit women’s hormonal birth control may be altering the course of human evolution. I’ve always argued that the root of women’s Hypergamous natures, their manifested behaviors, their sexual selection processes and even the rise of a feminine-primary social order can all be traced to women’s menstrual cycle and the extending behaviors inspired by it.

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For a more detailed analysis of how women’s menstruation and ovulatory shift influences women’s sexual natures and, more largely, how it influences Hypergamy, have a look at my essays You Friend Menstruation and Estrus respectively. From these posts, you’ll see that the latter half of women’s 28-day cycle is what I call the “Beta Phase” of women’s breeding preference, while the first 12 to 14 days of her ‘up cycle’ (proliferative phase) while she’s on build up to ovulation is the “Alpha Phase”.

Now imagine here that our hypothetical couple met while the woman had been on birth control for the better part of her adolescent and adult life. Her hormonal profile and subsequently her sexual selection predilections would follow along the line for progesterone in this graph. Thus, it would follow that her selecting this man was influenced by the behavioral set that progesterone predisposes her to – more Beta, more comforting, more rapport, more feminized physical features and more feminine (or feminine-identifying) sensibilities.

Once that guy goes on Vasalgel and affords her with the luxury of not needing hormonal birth control her hormonal profile and subsequent behaviors shift back to what evolution had found successful for women’s breeding for millennia. To put this into perspective, imagine the larger social implications of women shifting back to a natural hormone state. To be sure, this shift would be a gradual process, but as it stands now we have to account for the overwhelming degree of social control women are afforded in western(izing) societies today.

I don’t think it is too far a stretch to presume that the social engineering that’s led to the feminization of men today began around the time unilaterally female-controlled birth control became ubiquitous. I covered this in the Adaptation series of posts, but I think it needs to be added that the social power women wield today came as a result of this first shift towards hormonal birth control and the behavioral and psychological changes it’s wrought in women. Furthermore, men have consequently adapted to accommodate for this power shift as a result women’s shift in breeding strategies.

We now live in an age when women are expected to be Strong Independent® providers for themselves (however that’s achieved) and self-sufficient enough to make men’s provisioning relatively unnecessary, yet the characteristics of a hormonal profile of women on HBC (hormonal birth control) theoretically predispose them towards attraction to men who fit the, as Milo puts it, baby-faced ‘provider’ type.

Now consider that women who have been afforded this social power – power ceded to them from generations of feminized men who adapted to women’s hormonally influenced sexual strategies – shift back to the hormonal profile nature intended for them as a result of widespread unilaterally male-controlled BC. You get, at least initially, new generations of women who have the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamy equation tied up nicely, but now, likely proudly, women shift back towards the extremes that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift predispose them to.

In the long term this might be good news for conventional masculinity on whole. Less Beta pandering, less ‘get in touch with your feminine side’ bullshit, more much needed male assertiveness, more conventionally male sensibilities and dominance.

Harold posted this in last week’s comment thread:

Women expect men to be dominant, problem is, society gives men no room to express it. You can’t be economically dominant because women can make their own money. Me, for example, I only know of one way to be dominant over a woman and that’s to use my god given physical strength. And I don’t say that as a good or bad thing, just pointing out something that is.

You know, I was on YouTube and I came across a Domestic violence video. And in the comments section, many young women left many of the same comments of “I wanted to leave, but it’s hard to do when you are in love”. And it made me think back over the last 20 something odd years of my life

I used to be the nice, beta provider type. And in every case, the same thing happened. Essentially I was used for what I could provide. Money, favors, a car to give rides. But not once did a girl ever fall in love with me because of the nice things I did for her. Yet at the same time, I see women professing their love for men who beat them.

These experiences have killed the nice guy inside of me and made me view women as objects to be used, especially the more I learn about hypergamy. The only exception, as far as I am concerned is a traditional woman who actively suppresses her hypergamous instincts in favor of the good guy. And shows it by her actions.

The sad truth is that the unleashing of female hypergamy is going to produce more ex nice guys who imitate the users and abusers women show that they want by her actions.

Harold’s experience and later disillusionment is a common one for men in the manosphere. However, what needs to be factored into his awakening is that his experience follows the exact scheme we can expect from women’s HBC influenced Hypergamy. For five generations now, feminized men progressively ‘get woke’ to the fact that what they’ve been taught is expected of them in order to be attractive to women are the Beta Phase attributes inspired largely by women’s hormonal imbalances. It’s when they come to realize, hopefully sooner than later, that those feminized characteristic are a detriment to their own sexual imperatives that this condition is exposed.

It’s important to consider the societal ramification that something like Open Hypergamy (even Open Cuckoldry) will mean in an era when women must look to the most Hypergamously desirable men and seek their approval if they are to breed with them after something like Vasagel becomes commonplace. Presuming Red Pill awareness, combined with women’s hubristic attitudes about Open Hypergamy spread as I believe they will, you will eventually come to a generation of highly desirable men with the awareness, power and the choice to deny undesirable women the satisfaction of their long term sexual strategy.

Whether or not the majority of Beta men will exercise this power is speculative, but the the fact remains that women’s Open Hypergamy will become more and more unignoarable to them and they will have a new determinative power women will have to adapt to and compensate for in their relating with men whom they hope to have children with.

In Milo’s article there’s a very damning comparative study that suggests the rise in U.S. divorce rates coincides directly with the advent of HBC for women.

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Exactly why there is such a close correlation between the rise of the Pill and the rise of divorce rates we can’t say with total certainty, but the relationship is stark. Possible explanations include: a lack of children leading to fewer reasons for couples to stay together, and… all of the items mentioned on the list above.

Though Milo is reluctant to speculate, I would suggest that this stark parallel isn’t the result of less child births (abortion rates are also commensurate with the invention of HBC), but rather it’s a result of the behavioral shifts HBC has worked in women’s breeding strategies paired with men adapting to them (i.e. mass normalization of men’s feminization). I think Milo is too kind in his suggesting a lack of children would lead to divorce, when the uglier truth is that women’s initiating 70%+ of all divorces today is the result of the Hypergamous control HBC empowers women with.

Environmental Impact

In chapter four of the book The Red Queen, Matt Ridley details how environmental factors, particularly social and population environments, have an influence on gender determination for humans and other higher order animals. A lots been written about R and K mating selection strategies in the manosphere so I’ll save that discussion for another post, but what was relevant to me (while I was listening to this chapter recently) was how socially created environmental stresses had an effect on what gender a society preferred a child be born to parents.

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

Needless to say, this chapter also covered the ‘one child’ policy enforced by China to address overpopulation and how for every 100 girls there are now 122 boys available. Beyond this, however, was the interesting hypothesis that depending on social and cultural stress present, preference for siring boys or girls has historically come in relation to which gender was more likely to make both the child and its parents’ lives easier as well as pass on its genetic legacy. There is even speculation that evolution has accounted for this in how our biochemistry changes to select for a boy or a girl in a given environment.

It’s an interesting aside to consider that until George Bush senior was in office, all prior Presidents had sons. Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama all have daughters. Granted, this is speculative, but also consider how HBC and the resulting feminine-primary social order since it was invented, has directed our culture to normalize empowering women while handicapping men – all in the name of egalitarian equalism of course.

At no time in history has it been more advantageous to be a woman in western(izing) cultures. Hannah Rosin acknowledged the advancement of women at the expense of men in The End of Men as far back as 2010. I add this here because it outlines the degree to which society has opted for the betterment of women, while simultaneously affirming the idea that men become more feminine since the time of the sexual revolution.

Is it mere coincidence that men have been encouraged to “get in touch with their feminine side”, to identify more like women, to alter their ways of communication to be more female-accommodating, and to redefine conventional masculinity as “toxic” while reinforcing a new feminine-correct definition of masculinity for men? Is it coincidence that 95% of all transgender children are boys being encouraged and affirmed by their parents and teachers to switch to being girls?

And is all of this coincidence in an era when the social condition is one that provides benefits and entitlements to girls; one in which teachers presume a feminine-correct bias in their teaching methods?

This of course is all speculative, but these are unignorable observations about our feminine-primary social order. I’m in no way implying that Vasalgel or its like will alter what already is in our social structure, but I will speculate that women’s physical and paradigm shift back from an HBC influenced mating methodology to a naturalistic one will eventually have larger societal implications.

I believe that the Red Pill men of today will be in the perfect position to exploit this, or to inform the next generations of men how to exploit this shift for themselves.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Blax Haha, crazy story! Excellent illustration. The thing of it is, sexual attraction isn’t enough to create that circumstance. She also needed to feel comfortable opening up to you about her sexual desires. I think this is where most men fail wrt their sex lives frankly; even a chump attracts the occasional girl by accident. But nothing comes of it if sex is some awkward thing you don’t talk about, and she senses that from you. The idea that it is improper or indecent to talk about sex with girls is THE cockblock. Just going out and talking to girls… Read more »

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@Mitch: WWI, not II. I did a shit ton of unauthorized reading in my youth, received my tertiary education in the very heart of darkness itself and married an anthropologist/sociologist who was educated in one of the major blood clots. You can start your own reading with the history of anthropology. Pay particular attention to Columbia University beginning just before the turn of the century, but it’s in the 20s when shit really starts to go down. You’ll find the source of Cultural Relativism there. Also of importance is the peculiar case of Margaret Mead, who was raised from childhood… Read more »

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@kfg Thanks man. It’s good to know some scratchiness is normal for the player to hear, I’ve been fiddling with the rosin trying to fix it. I can keep the bow square but it tends to float all over the string. I’ll focus on steadying it. A lot of my issue is with fretting just yet, my wrists are more strong than flexible. And I’m not grokking vibrato at all, especially when I try putting it against the shoulder like a fiddler rather than under the chin. But I’m not gonna worry about that just yet, i suspect it will… Read more »

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@hank This bit from Sentient is good. I know he’s coming across as tone deaf to you but part of that is he’s trying to help you acquire a mindset you don’t have internalized yet. Mindset and technical skills are BOTH important. “sure I’m not getting it… Listen, you will learn more about PICK UP in a bar with five girls in it from 10PM to 1AM than in a mall with a 100 girls in it from 10AM to 1PM… But you seem to be confusing PICK UP with opening…” Men have a strong proclivity to try and help… Read more »

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Re: the election: I’m gonna have to go with kfg here. We have models that try to predict but this is chaos. Until recently I had the notion that I could follow the election from two lenses – the sort of statistical model Scribb cites, and the more subjective models like Scott Adam’s ‘master persuader’ concept – with a curiosity about which would do a better job. Based on that I would modify my filters about how predicting events functioned. I don’t think that now. There are too many forces at play for either model to properly understand their impact.… Read more »

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“A lot of my issue is with fretting just yet . . .” I’ll let you get away with that this time. On a violin you do not fret, you stop. For fiddling, ignore vibrato. For baroque too, for that matter, it’s a Romantic period art music thing. As a matter of fact, while it doesn’t always work out that way, a good rule of thumb is that whatever the “standard” rule is (really Classical rule) do the opposite for fiddle music. Classical music is for listening to, but fiddle music is for barn dancing to. The difference in purpose… Read more »

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This set is interesting, because it plays the same tune first in Scottish style, then Irish, then American Appalachian (which the marketing dweebs renamed Country, because it had become colloquially named Hillbilly, before they conjoined it with Western, which is a very different style):

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I’m reading more of your stories, and whoa you guys are hard core. Someone said that past a certain age it’s harder, if not impossible, to “unplug a man.” For the sake of argument, if I were to stipulate that I’m living in the matrix, (which I don’t, but let’s say I did) I’d say that’s probably true for me. Where I am now is the culmination of my life experiences, and the older you get that becomes harder to change. Maybe more accurately, you (I) just don’t wanna change. I see you guys peggin me as an AFC, but… Read more »

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“I know! I know! The laughing and eye-rolling is reaching def con 4″

I’m too busy double face palming, because . . .

” she married very young after getting pregnant.”

“moved in with a guy once”

” Had a boyfriend she loved for several years, but kept at a distance – she hung out and had sex with him of course”

But with you she’s just not the kind of girl who gives away the milk without the payment. She’s a regular Born Again Virgin.

Guess what that’s a red flag for?

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@ kfg:

Dude. I’ll tell you what. Since you guys are so sweet to me, I’ll keep you posted on how things turn out. If I crash and burn, she takes me for all I’m worth while she’s getting hammered by a swarthy Latin stallion, I will let you know. I promise.

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Regarding Mitch’s Ukrainian love interest. She’s more likely to be cluster H and wearing a mask running game if she had poor healthy bonding with her parents and, in particular, her father. If she did bond with her father was it a healthy tough love type of bond or an unhealthy spoiled princess/pony type of bond? I’m behind on reading all of his comments, so maybe he already covered that. Just a thought.

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@ Mitch,

An additional factor to consider Mitch (I know I said I would leave your alone). Good luck!

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@ Mitch,

BTW, I still think it’s a bad idea regardless of your answer – just sayin!

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Latest Poll results – Trump behind, but not dead yet:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#!

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Another attempt to put in a Trojan horse on internet freedom of speech?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/katherine-clark-fight-against-internet-trolls-gamergate

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I don’t see a candidate I like. I do see a candidate feminists and SJWs would absolutely lose their fucking minds over though. Is grudge voting a thing?

Of course living in Texas I know there’s no way in hell our electoral votes would ever go Hillary anyway.

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Regarding Mitch…….

All of you trying to “save” him seem to forget…..

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

Let him learn the heard way

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Hello Rollo and readers I just read after this, *another* article on sluts and hypergamy. How it ruins society and women. The detriments they suffer via STI’s, depression, ostracism.. Etc. This is a general comment for the manospheres. Something I have noticed is you are all wrong. All the articles. All the comments. They are all wishful thinking. Sluts are not depressed, not suffering from social ostracism. Russians and Eastern European women who are prized here for being ‘traditional’ are not in the slightest (I fucked several traditional women in London from the Ukraine, Montenegro, Russia etc). Most of the… Read more »

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@ apriori The reality is that riding the CC ruins these sluts chance of happiness though. Because of unrestrained hypergamy All women are competing for the top 5-10% of men, and any girl who is at least a 6 can have sex with these top tier men. Unfortunalty due to the adulation of the thirsty beta hordes her unchecked ego believes that the men she can fuck are the same ones she can marry. Women can always fuck men upto 3 points above their SMV and they have a great time doing exactly that in their party years. But when… Read more »

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The problem with the manosphere is that it doesn’t recognise where it’s wrong. For example not all aspects of masculinity in prior social setting were beneficial to men as a whole. Gender politics doesn’t sit above concerns on class or racial identity. Neither do we accept the aspects of a feminised society we like. A woman’s inalienable power over men is never discussed in and of itself. A woman validates a man in the eyes of society. She by default is the prize. Only a very successful man could be seen in the same light. It sometimes seems we, here,… Read more »

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May be I am being too cynical but to me it does not seem that bad for sluts. Many women I know are more than happy to settle for a beta after a decade of dick from all kinds of people. They get all kind of benefits; lots of attention and affection from the beta, affirmation for having a man and a family, AND they get to ‘settle down’, let go of themselves, enjoy their life, and have a jolly old time doing so. Sure some of them will still crave alpha cock, but they probably get it on the… Read more »

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May be I am being too cynical but to me it does not seem that bad for sluts. Many women I know are more than happy to settle for a beta after a decade of dick from all kinds of people. They get all kind of benefits; lots of attention and affection from the beta, affirmation for having a man and a family, AND they get to ‘settle down’, let go of themselves, enjoy their life, and have a jolly old time doing so. Sure some of them will still crave alpha cock, but they probably get it on the… Read more »

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@Sentient and Scribble, Check out why you should never trust ANY poll these days: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/first-post-debate-poll-gives-hillary-significant-lead-and-familiar-problem-emerges Scribb, I agree that an armed revolution is necessary to cleanse this nation of the socialist rot that has infiltrated so much of our society, but I simply want to ask you, “Who is the worst of these two bad candidates?” Simple question. I can’t believe as well read as you are and how much knowledge you’ve dropped on here about socialism’s rot that you would think Hillary is better. I know that’s not what you have said, but I haven’t seen you specifically say… Read more »

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@Mitch “I’m reading more of your stories, and whoa you guys are hard core. Someone said that past a certain age it’s harder, if not impossible, to “unplug a man.” Mitch, I’m 57 and finally unplugged last year after 28 years in a relationship. It can be done. I just hope you’ll be able to before importing that eastern gal. Currently I’m heavily into a local 46yo that’s giving my lots of interesting sex, and bootstrapping me into an abundance mode. She’s old but eager to please and there may be some resource hunting there… but I’m also setting something… Read more »

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“This is a general comment for the manospheres.” This is not a general location in the manosphere. “Russians and Eastern European women who are prized here for being ‘traditional’ are not in the slightest . . .” You not only can’t be very familiar with this place, you can’t even be very familiar with the thread you are posting in. “From all my reading of the manosphere . . .” You seem to have neglected reading the site you are posting on. “Betas are lapping it up just for the opportunity to put a ring on a slut.” We know.… Read more »

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Rollo,
Another article I thought you might appreciate/find infuriating – ‘modern’ sex ed teaching boys to be more emotive and “set aside the masculine bravado”
http://thewalrus.ca/the-talk/
BK

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From the Hamster Post: student loan debt forgiveness a la the “spirit” of the GI bill (you remember, those mysogynist WW2 veterans that sacrificed their lives). I wonder which gender stands to benefit from this proposal/idea at the expense of which gender who pays the lions share of taxes. SJW debt forgiveness for all of those feminist “warriors” out there – lol. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/in-the-spirit-of-the-gi-b_b_12448492.html? Cause gurlz today soooo deserve it! Those feminist studies degrees are soooo valuable. Don’t ya know? But then again, thanks to Hillary we all now know who the primary victims of war really are: [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx5KiTUXcUE&w=560&h=315%5D That’s… Read more »

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@Colbert:

cluster H?

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Liking the new theme, Rollo. David Brooks article on Trump, is really the final word on this whole fucking topic. Read the NYT Comment Picks also. Some gold in there. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/donald-trumps-sad-lonely-life.html?_r=0 I still find it strangely odd that some, otherwise quite intelligent folks on this thread still see this, horribly misshapen human being as the preferred solution to America’s myriad issues. I’m waiting with bated breath for election day for Trump to join the ranks of those he most despises.. LOSERS! lol fuck Trump. I’m not under any illusions though, his campaign has mobilized a sizable chunk of the most… Read more »

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@Colbert…

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-victims-of-war/

Don’t believe everything you read/hear.

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@ Mitch, “cluster H?” Before I ever posted my first comment on this site I quietly read AND DIGESTED just about EVERY SINGLE article that Rollo did year one through year five (along with reading and comprehending a large majority of the comments under each article). I quietly “lurked” for a long time. Before that I digested essays, comments and You Tube videos on everything I could find that was RP from MGTOW to MRA and yes even some PUA stuff. Most of the regulars on this site are familiar with my fixation on hypergamy, solipsism and cluster B personality… Read more »

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@Nudiam0ndz:

If you posted the Snopes article as a counter to Colbert’s statement, you are experiencing an odd inversion of logic.

If you posted the Snopes article in order to make us sceptical of Snopes, you are experiencing an odd inversion of logic.

Ergo, you are experiencing an odd inversion of logic.

Especially as a good many of us here have seen the video and/or read the transcript already, so we didn’t need Snopes to tell us that the claim is true.

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Addendum:

I neglected a third possibility, because it would be truly odd indeed:

That you were suggesting that we not believe that what our eyes and ears report Hillary appears to have said in the video recording of what she said.

In some cases, having actually been there to hear her say them in person and only needing the video as memory confirmation.

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@Scribbler:

Vox Day is backing away from his prediction of a Trumpslide:

“Barring Donald Trump turning things between now and then, which looks increasingly unlikely given the 24-7 media assault . . .”

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@Kfg

I put it provide the full context of the statement, that all. Its not like she was completely off base knamean? on its face it was demonstrably silly for her to say women are the primary victims of war.. but with the full context, it seems less silly, she made valid point.

I actually believe Snopes, as well as sites like politifact etc, less so, random youtube vids made by some heavy breathing dude. still see inversions of logic?

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@Mitch i’ve been skimming along with your saga… and i had a big long analysis planned, but i realized that wouldn’t work any differently that the other men trying to persuade you to accept the truth of RP… here’s the stripped down version in an example (you’ve likely heard this before…but i added some commentary…lol): I walk down a street and there’s a big hole. I don’t see it and fall into it. It’s dark and hopeless and it takes me a long time to find my way out. It’s not my fault! (bc the FI is cunning and pervasive…so,… Read more »

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Here is a video for you Nudiam0ndz, about believing what you “see” the press reporting…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODnzZRy784

And one about the Nobel Prize Winning Supreme Court Justice to Be, demonstrating… uhhh what exactly? to the female reporters???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ

I look forward to your explanations…

as to this… “GOP is DOA folks.. ”

this is soo like 1992… You must have gotten the memo – One World Order?

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Good read
http://tynan.com/empire

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“I put it provide the full context of the statement, that all.” So you stipulate that it is, in fact, what she said. ” . . . but with the full context, it seems less silly, she made valid point.” And aver some agreement with the statement. ” . . . less so, random youtube vids made by some heavy breathing dude . . .” But offer as evidence some heavy breathing editor of a newspaper whose editorial board officially endorses Hillary, consisting of a bizarre caricature which amounts to “I don’t like the man.” And might well apply to… Read more »

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Hello all! Thank you Rollo! I have learned so much, I am so grateful to you all! Please forgive my writing ability, as I started school in Egypt and missed kindergarten through 3rd grade. I never learned the rules of English. My mom and dad are PHDS (geophysics, microbiology) from ivy league universities. I am familiar with Mideast culture and religion. Hence, I became an atheist. I took care of my parents real estate as a stay at home dad. ( they paid me) My parents are giving me a huge inheritance and this gives me a chance to take… Read more »

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@Sentient. Tbh, I don’t see the point of the two videos you linked. I’m familiar with video editing, who cares if she’s cross eyed? Yea i stay skeptical of most of the shit I see on the idiot box, so you’re preaching to the choir in that respect. I’m also decent with final cut pro/Avid i know what chromakey edits are and yeah it was a sloppy edit, the bish is cross eyed and they fixed it so what? Bitch had pneumonia and kept a schedule that you wouldn’t be able to maintain maybe she needs to take a fucking… Read more »

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Giggling at the pathetic political analysis here. I don’t bother to actually debate people so poorly informed. Trump may win, there is a small chance of it. But it’s highly unlikely based on many, many factors but mostly due to the demographic shifts and Dem early and absentee ballot voting initiatives. People vote mostly on party lines in the end. and the right’s goose has been cooked since 2008 demographically. But hey, keep up “the good fight” after all, looking good while losing is really helpful… Also, think that video was the last bomb to be dropped by the MSM… Read more »

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Ugh please don’t bring Heartiste bullshit here too. We’ve got something good here at TRM, don’t ruin it.

That Hillary video is the stupidest thing I’ve seen all week. I don’t like her neither but is this what you’re going to latch on to? She’s over 60 and has a grueling schedule, she’s gonna cross her eyes every once in a while. Jesus.

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Trump never really overproduced his polling numbers in the primary. People just didn’t believe the polls saying he would win.

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Nudiam0nz “I’m familiar with video editing, who cares if she’s cross eyed?” – so why would NBC – the National Broadcasting Company – take it upon themselves or be forced to edit it? without mentioning it? Is this “insignificant shit” or merely an inconvenient fact for you? Bitch had pneumonia and kept a schedule that you wouldn’t be able to maintain – huh? What does this have to do with me? And this is weeks after her supposed pneumonia… deflecting is the order of the day I understand however… Lol @ obama mandingo dick..again.. who cares? Who cares that CNN… Read more »

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Mitch: If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it.

Oh wait, my bad…

He has no idea whether or not he likes it…But he’s still gonna put a ring on it.

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C

She’s over 60 and has a grueling schedule, she’s gonna cross her eyes every once in a while. Jesus.

So why edit it? Why edit it and not disclose it?

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YaReally come back baby. This comment section hasn’t been the same.

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She’s over 60 and has a grueling schedule,

Actually send her a birthday card… On Oct 26 she will be 69.

You think the most demanding job in the world is going to require a grueling schedule or not? You seen Obama’s hair? He’s 55… LOL

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“Oh Em Ge I can’t even…? That’s your retort?”

No, that’s his argument.

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KFG – you’re right of course… I’ve always had a fascination with opinion based on “experts” and “credentials” and “professionals” because while all of those words at the end of the day connote a payday to the expert… they do not reduce to their being actually correct at the end of said day… And so I prefer to observe, and question and then think about what is going on in a particular sphere… because at one time the expert consensus and popular opinion said the world was flat and all… As to Trump… there are thousands of hours of credentialed… Read more »

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The Clinton in the airplane video is probably just an MPEG video compression error.

here is an explanation

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@Sentient. Love how you selectively parse my words and highlight just the shit you can quickly retort to. My point with pneumonia is that she’s pushing 70 and still has more grit than most folks your age. do you get that? probably not. Warren Buffett has never ever used a carry forward in 60+ years of filing taxes, (i guess cuz he’s never lost 1 billion bucks?) Trump lied about that bold faced on live TV. does that matter to you? probably not. Having a boner is not a crime is it? assuming Trump actually grabs pussies and assaults women,… Read more »

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I do not claim to know how the election will go, though I do know how the media wants it to go (Yahoo seriously hates Trump to the point they aren’t even marketing right…usually my news pieces very obviously reflect my search history, but not now). I do think (and I would wager a great deal of money) that this next debate will be really really interesting and brutal for Hilldabeast. My (unsolicited, but I’ll give it anyway because it’s still a relatively, somewhat, free country and free forum): She seriously overplayed her hand with that tape. When she spouted… Read more »

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What a bunch of …. gosh.

The election will solve nothing, either way. Politics is not the answer. Personal adaptation is the answer, and it isn’t to be found in politics of any sort. Best not to focus on it more than you would a sporting event at this point, really. It’s not changeable in any case — note the result and adapt your life to it. That is all.

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@Novaseeker

Amen to that.

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@Nudiam0ndz
Why is it that all RP critics think this is an right-wing movement or a return to 1950’s movement? You need to learn more about it.

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@Pinelero, I don’t comment that much but I’m far from a RP critic. I’m an enthusiast of a lot of the core red pill ideas, just not a fan of some of the other adherents who use RP as a guise to cling to the past. It’s also undeniable (and unfortunate imho) that RP attracts some fringe and extremely ignorant, racist folks, as evidenced by quite a lot of the comments on the articles on this site (of which i’ve read almost every single article btw.) I just don’t think Trump would make an effective president and I’m not someone… Read more »

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@ Novaseeker ” The election will solve nothing, either way. Politics is not the answer. Personal adaptation is the answer, and it isn’t to be found in politics of any sort. Best not to focus on it more than you would a sporting event at this point, really. It’s not changeable in any case — note the result and adapt your life to it. That is all.” Agree. Especially with the sporting event angle. Initially I watched the debates and campaigning nonsense because Trump and Christie are from my neck of the woods. I’ve been hearing/seeing absolutely horrible shit about… Read more »

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Nudiam0nz Here is a quick simple – anti Trump sourced even – explanation for you regarding the disingenuous Hillary shill Uncle Warren’s use of tax write offs… Trump’s companies are closely held pass-through businesses, the income or losses from which appear on his personal returns. Using a so-called carryforward, the owners of such businesses can spread sufficiently large losses over a period of years to reduce their tax burden. While Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) (BRK.B) and its subsidiaries are allowed to use net operating losses in the way Trump’s businesses do, Buffett himself cannot. That’s because Berkshire is a publicly… Read more »

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Blax / Nova

Agree. Especially with the sporting event angle.

Just be aware Patrick Henry did not share this sentiment…

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@Nudiam0ndz “I don’t comment that much but I’m far from a RP critic. I’m an enthusiast of a lot of the core red pill ideas, just not a fan of some of the other adherents who use RP as a guise to cling to the past. It’s also undeniable (and unfortunate imho) that RP attracts some fringe and extremely ignorant, racist folks, as evidenced by quite a lot of the comments on the articles on this site (of which i’ve read almost every single article btw.)” Nudiamonds I respectfully disagree. True, on many other sites, there is an insane amount… Read more »

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@ Sentient

” Just be aware Patrick Henry did not share this sentiment…”

But P. Henry didn’t have smartphones and social media, and he wasn’t trying to lock down hb8-10’s in 2016 either.

( sorry, I had to do it once more..)

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Guys, thanks for sticking with me. I sent her a text this morning that basically said I am going to fuck you in Italy. I love you, and this is what’s going down. We’ve had a number of conversations about sex before, about what didn’t happen in Odessa, etc. But I never pushed too hard. She says can we talk. So I skype her. And we go round and round about this. I’m staying calm, even sweet. But firm. The solipsism is off the charts – of course I’d seen this every time we argue, but eh, she’s a woman,… Read more »

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I now think I came here because my subconscious was telling me I was about to jump off a cliff, and I’d better make damn sure where I’m going to land.
Seriously, thanks for sticking with me.

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“Fact is though, most of his supporters fall into the same camp of low-information, angry at life voters. A coalition of deplorable losers. Like you rightfully state ya’ll are a minority. a loud, angry, vocal, bitter minority, but a minority nonetheless.. one whose ranks are thinning by the year . . . and the hordes that pushed him to the forefront will recede into their crumbling fly over towns to stew and vent on alt right message boards, circle jerking each other to sleep.” The most reasonable response to this that can be made is; Yeah, well, you’re one too.… Read more »

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@mitch re kfg 100 years ago in the US the major political push was “votes for women” and “ban booze”. Both were supposed to help rein in men’s bad side. I used to have relatives who were alive then and remembered, and yeah, one of the major points for women voting was they’d clean up politics because they were more moral than men. Obviously a hangover from the Victorian era in the English speaking part of the world. That’s just one wavetop of the current that kfg pointed you to by referencing Margie Mead, who totally lied in her book… Read more »

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@Mitch Holy shit man, you’re listening! You have no clue how rare that is re: relationships. Righteous. I know it must suck to come to this realization, so much respect here for going down the rabbit hole anyways. A girl who’s attracted to you as a man will want to fuck you even if she has some reason not to. I don’t see that she has any real reason not to. And even when a girl who has good reason not to fuck you is attracted to you, you’ll usually end up in bed anyways. Libido trumps reason. I had… Read more »

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@ Mitch Didn’t take a lot to kill her “love” did it? Remember this betas get rules and shamed for pushing a sexual agenda, Alphas get the perversions. If a girl tries to lay down rules with me over sex “let’s wait, it’s too soon, I have a 5 date, 2 month rule” etc etc. My response is ” I’m the man you break those rules for and you know it ” . You would be surprised how well it works! Anyways it looks like you now maybe understand just what you are dealing with. This unicorn is out for… Read more »

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My response is ” I’m the man you break those rules for and you know it ”

Nice, gonna steal that one lol.

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Mitch

I now think I came here because my subconscious was telling me I was about to jump off a cliff,

I am certain of it… after your second round of answers it was clear. except you did NOT want to jump off the cliff…

Congrats on the breakthrough.

Now for the master class…

seduce her… really throw yourself into it… win her over… have her beg to come to Italy… then meet her and fuck her.

Then never call or contact her again. Ever.

And that is how an abundance mindset is formed…

welcome!

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@ Fts

You more than welcome bro steal away!

I did actually come up with that line myself, weather it’s original or not I don’t know. Probably not but it works a treat when establishing frame.

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@Mitch Enjoy Italy. Beautiful place. No bitch needed. However… … one very nice woman that I enjoyed talking to was very upfront from the beginning that she’s strong Catholic and will not have sex before marriage. I respect that completely. That didn’t even chase me off. This is what it looks like when women establish Frame. Never respect it. Shit on it. Make it clear you’re the guy that rule doesn’t apply to, or she gets none of you. No matter who she is, there’s other women just as good as her in every way who would sleep with you… Read more »

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@Mitch I’ve been reading the exchanges here. I sensed a lot of denial on your point but to ask the questions is to know the answers. BPD? That’s a much deeper issue and a longer set of credentials: is she closer to her mother or father? If she talks about her mother in ambivalent terms: evil, saint, strict perfectionist etc–then that’s a possibility. Father a wimp? another possibility for BPD, tattoos, cuttings, etc etc. We could analyze her but that’s irrelevant. The issue on these boards is rarely the woman but the man: why would you be chasing a woman?… Read more »

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Something that struck me at around age 19 or so.

There are approx. 3.5 Billion women on the planet right now.

3.5 Billion.

So, there’s always another one.

….or another 3 and a half billion.

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@ sun

Word man, we are coming from the same place.

Every woman is single for “The right man”.

Be that man. Or become that man or be a beta bucks!

Not a difficult decision once you understand the game that’s being played.

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@Blaximus: “….or another 3 and a half billion.”

They keep making new ones all the time.

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@Playdontpay Short, powerful verbal drops like that are cash. Ones that have worked well for me: ‘Too bad you love it.’ Used when she tries to call you out for something, like being sexual or cocky or whatever. If she talks about how you’re ‘getting lucky’ or some such thing: ‘I love it how I can give a girl top-shelf dick for hours and somehow I’m the lucky one.’ To diffuse ASD: ‘I can’t go home/have sex with you. I’m too shy.’ Only works if you’re being forward, she’ll bust out laughing and problem solved. Stole that one from RSDTyler.… Read more »

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@kfg

I’m partial to the late 90’s vintages myself.

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Not too picky on the style, but I do have a thing for a well-rounded white. So long as it’s not too full-bodied. A bit sweet but not cloying is perfect.

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@scribb Experts aren’t always right. While they can generally tell you fairly accurately what will happen day to day, they tend to be utterly wrong whenever there are major paradigm shifts. This is because they are making decisions on a set of rules that no longer apply. Look at the housing bubble. All the “experts” were laughing off guys like Peter Schiff that were saying it was coming. So much for that expert knowledge. Thus far, the experts have been wrong time after time when it comes to Trump. I never said he would win for sure, and I never… Read more »

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ehh, go to 32 seconds in on that hillary vid. my bookmark on it didn’t work for some reason.

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“They keep making new ones all the time.” And the trick is to harvest the cucumbers before they turn themselves into pickles. And to prevent the pickling process of the woman, while also preventing your own male Betatization. @Mitch Remedial reading for you: Your Ukrainian friend actually skipped the first three stages of the female biological processes and got to to the end of the process of Betatization before you even got her to be sexually attracted to you. Thank you for playing here. https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/01/ghosts-in-the-machine/#comment-154238 On the biological level, the female of our species is programmed to: 1. Elicit a… Read more »

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@Mitch

Quick question: If you do fuck the Ukrainian woman in Italy (as her plane ticket is probably already purchased), would you have the cognitive function to wear a condom?

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@ Hank Congrats again on the job and the move btw.. ” weeeell. difference is hillary is gonna appoint liberal supreme court justices that are gonna completely unravel the 1st and 2nd amendments at least. those nominations will last for decades. that alone is a good reason to vote trump. trump for me is different, not because of the man himself, but because he’s started a complete shift in politics. like I was telling scrib above, you’ve got all these people fed up with shit that are becoming political. Trump himself is crazy lol, but to me he’s a breath… Read more »

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“The GOP is pissing their pants for good reason. Frankenstein’s monster is on the loose and they can’t get him strapped back down to the table.”

They made a mistake when they tried to stage a 2 minute hate to oust him after the Alpha Dog Tape.

He didn’t play by rules and issue a tearful apology and resignation; he said, “Right then. I don’t have to play nice for the sake of the party any more. The gloves are off and it’s bare knuckle and no holds barred now.”

It promises to be . . . interesting.

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@ kfg ” He didn’t play by rules and issue a tearful apology and resignation; he said, “Right then. I don’t have to play nice for the sake of the party any more. The gloves are off and it’s bare knuckle and no holds barred now.”” Yup. They did not understand the nature of the beast they were dealing with. Trump is an ” either you’re with me, or against me ” type of guy, and always has been. The GOP should’ve taken a hint when they tried to scuttle him, and he started his ” maybe we need to… Read more »

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Reblogged this on 254Exithematrix and commented:
Seminal…In other words, they got what they asked for!

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“It promises to be . . . interesting.”

What I find interesting is after the bus (locker room) comments aired the women supported trump on social media while the white knights dissed him.

much like the war brides,with the women handing out flowers to the “refugees” while the men wore skirts and protested rape.

I really think the chicks dig trumps alpha ways and want thier pussy grabbed,and the betta chump emo tampons are jealous.

?????

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“The Nation can’t be run like a business” But it should be. All business. And kept out of social mores. Because it steamrolls over the current Masculine Imperative. “I for one have grown to like him, if only for how balsy he is and how he fucks with the media, and I love seeing all these previously apathetic and disenfranchised groups become rejuvenated. ” “Trump is an ” either you’re with me, or against me ” type of guy, and always has been.” “Trump doesn’t come with ” reverse ” as standard equipment.” I hate to say anything disparaging about… Read more »

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@walawala The issue on these boards is rarely the woman but the man: why would you be chasing a woman? Because that’s what I thought/think men are supposed to do. Men see something they want and they go after it. Man the hunter, Woman the prey. Is this FI? It sounds pretty old school to me. It’s certainly poo-poo’d by the progressive set. I have not generally chased women. Not that I got laid so much, but things came my way often enough and if it was interesting I took it, meaning I usually got into a relationship with it… Read more »

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I need to read some more Rollo essays. And re-read some others.

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@sjf:

Quick question: If you do fuck the Ukrainian woman in Italy (as her plane ticket is probably already purchased), would you have the cognitive function to wear a condom?

ok, I’m not quite THAT stupid. lol

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@Mitch:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/

And I don’t think you’re stupid. I just think you are averse to opening your eyes, because it hurts.

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“People, including women, can actually know how to set boundaries for themselves if they think they have a reason to.”

Guys like me believe: people women are too lazy, short-sighted or self-serving to actually achieve those goals.

Yeah, you actually should read more Rollo, Brother.

And trust, but verify what men say and do. But don’t be so foolish as to trust what women say.

Glad you have an open mind.

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“ok, I’m not quite THAT stupid. lol”

Just checking. Actually discussed this recently with some guys who actually are.

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