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If there’s one Google search term that’s become synonymous with The Rational Male it’s the word ‘Hypergamy’. Seriously, Google it.

If you listen to my seminar lecture from the Man in Demand conference from last year (sidebar), you’ll get why I believe that Hypergamy is one of the most important factors driving our feminine-primary social order. I didn’t mention it in the lecture, but when I was writing the outline for that talk I titled my notes ‘Hypergamy; From the Micro to the Macro’. If you consider how women have evolved to be sexual selector or filters for what, on a subconscious level, is really directing the breeding course of the human race it behoves a man to understand the biochemical influences that predispose women to Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

One thing I get asked a lot about with respect to the hormonal nature of Hypergamy (ovulatory shift) is that most hormonal forms of birth control predispose women to the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy because essentially their biochemistry is tricked into thinking it’s already pregnant.

I’ve covered this in the past, but I usually answer this by pointing out that the biological hardware and firmware of a woman still means her sexuality is cyclic while men’s is always-on. It may be that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift are less pronounced in a woman that’s on the pill, and even then women technically go off the pill on their placebo weeks, but the evolved mechanics don’t change. However, it’s no great secret that these mechanics become suppressed in women. This is just the cost of a women’s monopoly on a concealed form of birth control.

Milo Yianopolous generated a predictable outrage with his post Birth Control Makes Women Crazy, but it’s only pushing women’s indignation buttons because all his observations are true.

  • Birth control makes women fat
  • The hormones in birth control alters women’s voices to a sexually disadvantageous tone, evolutionarily speaking
  • Birth control distorts female subcoms that men consider sexy
  • It predisposes women to disregard their evolved sexual filtering mechanisms

There are other bullet points Milo covered in this article, however, the most important one I think ought to be considered here is:

Birth Control Makes Women Choose the Wrong Mates

It’s already established that going on the Pill makes you less attractive to men. But it also affects who you’re attracted to as well. Healthy, fertile women seek out men who are genetically different to them. Women on the Pill do the opposite, seeking out men who are closer to their own tribe.

Now, all that considered, when we introduce a variable like Vasalgel to the social mix it is possible that women’s sexual attitudes will progressively shift to a more natural state when and if the presumption of birth control falls mostly on men. Granted, most women who’re aware of Vasalgel at this point are enthusiastic about it. The common refrain is always the default of shaming men and how it’s about time men shoulder the “burden” of birth control , or how relieved they’d be for not having to remember to take a pill once a day and how they hate how it makes them feel.

This response from women is usually followed by, “But you could never trust irresponsible men to be honest about it, so women will still have to take the pill as a fail-safe for stupid and untrusted men.” So, at least initially, I’d have to be a bit skeptical that women’s birth control-influenced sexual habits and the social mandates that follow from them would be significantly impacted.

However, this also brings us to a point where we should consider how men and women in a monogamous or semi-monogamous state will have those relationships altered by a woman trusting a man enough, or confirming he’s on, with Vasalgel to the point that she abandons her own hormonal birth control. Hypothetically, consider this; a woman who was attracted to that man while under the influence of hormonal birth control now has her biochemistry revert back to a natural state.

There are quite a few studies that posit women’s hormonal birth control may be altering the course of human evolution. I’ve always argued that the root of women’s Hypergamous natures, their manifested behaviors, their sexual selection processes and even the rise of a feminine-primary social order can all be traced to women’s menstrual cycle and the extending behaviors inspired by it.

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For a more detailed analysis of how women’s menstruation and ovulatory shift influences women’s sexual natures and, more largely, how it influences Hypergamy, have a look at my essays You Friend Menstruation and Estrus respectively. From these posts, you’ll see that the latter half of women’s 28-day cycle is what I call the “Beta Phase” of women’s breeding preference, while the first 12 to 14 days of her ‘up cycle’ (proliferative phase) while she’s on build up to ovulation is the “Alpha Phase”.

Now imagine here that our hypothetical couple met while the woman had been on birth control for the better part of her adolescent and adult life. Her hormonal profile and subsequently her sexual selection predilections would follow along the line for progesterone in this graph. Thus, it would follow that her selecting this man was influenced by the behavioral set that progesterone predisposes her to – more Beta, more comforting, more rapport, more feminized physical features and more feminine (or feminine-identifying) sensibilities.

Once that guy goes on Vasalgel and affords her with the luxury of not needing hormonal birth control her hormonal profile and subsequent behaviors shift back to what evolution had found successful for women’s breeding for millennia. To put this into perspective, imagine the larger social implications of women shifting back to a natural hormone state. To be sure, this shift would be a gradual process, but as it stands now we have to account for the overwhelming degree of social control women are afforded in western(izing) societies today.

I don’t think it is too far a stretch to presume that the social engineering that’s led to the feminization of men today began around the time unilaterally female-controlled birth control became ubiquitous. I covered this in the Adaptation series of posts, but I think it needs to be added that the social power women wield today came as a result of this first shift towards hormonal birth control and the behavioral and psychological changes it’s wrought in women. Furthermore, men have consequently adapted to accommodate for this power shift as a result women’s shift in breeding strategies.

We now live in an age when women are expected to be Strong Independent® providers for themselves (however that’s achieved) and self-sufficient enough to make men’s provisioning relatively unnecessary, yet the characteristics of a hormonal profile of women on HBC (hormonal birth control) theoretically predispose them towards attraction to men who fit the, as Milo puts it, baby-faced ‘provider’ type.

Now consider that women who have been afforded this social power – power ceded to them from generations of feminized men who adapted to women’s hormonally influenced sexual strategies – shift back to the hormonal profile nature intended for them as a result of widespread unilaterally male-controlled BC. You get, at least initially, new generations of women who have the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamy equation tied up nicely, but now, likely proudly, women shift back towards the extremes that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift predispose them to.

In the long term this might be good news for conventional masculinity on whole. Less Beta pandering, less ‘get in touch with your feminine side’ bullshit, more much needed male assertiveness, more conventionally male sensibilities and dominance.

Harold posted this in last week’s comment thread:

Women expect men to be dominant, problem is, society gives men no room to express it. You can’t be economically dominant because women can make their own money. Me, for example, I only know of one way to be dominant over a woman and that’s to use my god given physical strength. And I don’t say that as a good or bad thing, just pointing out something that is.

You know, I was on YouTube and I came across a Domestic violence video. And in the comments section, many young women left many of the same comments of “I wanted to leave, but it’s hard to do when you are in love”. And it made me think back over the last 20 something odd years of my life

I used to be the nice, beta provider type. And in every case, the same thing happened. Essentially I was used for what I could provide. Money, favors, a car to give rides. But not once did a girl ever fall in love with me because of the nice things I did for her. Yet at the same time, I see women professing their love for men who beat them.

These experiences have killed the nice guy inside of me and made me view women as objects to be used, especially the more I learn about hypergamy. The only exception, as far as I am concerned is a traditional woman who actively suppresses her hypergamous instincts in favor of the good guy. And shows it by her actions.

The sad truth is that the unleashing of female hypergamy is going to produce more ex nice guys who imitate the users and abusers women show that they want by her actions.

Harold’s experience and later disillusionment is a common one for men in the manosphere. However, what needs to be factored into his awakening is that his experience follows the exact scheme we can expect from women’s HBC influenced Hypergamy. For five generations now, feminized men progressively ‘get woke’ to the fact that what they’ve been taught is expected of them in order to be attractive to women are the Beta Phase attributes inspired largely by women’s hormonal imbalances. It’s when they come to realize, hopefully sooner than later, that those feminized characteristic are a detriment to their own sexual imperatives that this condition is exposed.

It’s important to consider the societal ramification that something like Open Hypergamy (even Open Cuckoldry) will mean in an era when women must look to the most Hypergamously desirable men and seek their approval if they are to breed with them after something like Vasagel becomes commonplace. Presuming Red Pill awareness, combined with women’s hubristic attitudes about Open Hypergamy spread as I believe they will, you will eventually come to a generation of highly desirable men with the awareness, power and the choice to deny undesirable women the satisfaction of their long term sexual strategy.

Whether or not the majority of Beta men will exercise this power is speculative, but the the fact remains that women’s Open Hypergamy will become more and more unignoarable to them and they will have a new determinative power women will have to adapt to and compensate for in their relating with men whom they hope to have children with.

In Milo’s article there’s a very damning comparative study that suggests the rise in U.S. divorce rates coincides directly with the advent of HBC for women.

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Exactly why there is such a close correlation between the rise of the Pill and the rise of divorce rates we can’t say with total certainty, but the relationship is stark. Possible explanations include: a lack of children leading to fewer reasons for couples to stay together, and… all of the items mentioned on the list above.

Though Milo is reluctant to speculate, I would suggest that this stark parallel isn’t the result of less child births (abortion rates are also commensurate with the invention of HBC), but rather it’s a result of the behavioral shifts HBC has worked in women’s breeding strategies paired with men adapting to them (i.e. mass normalization of men’s feminization). I think Milo is too kind in his suggesting a lack of children would lead to divorce, when the uglier truth is that women’s initiating 70%+ of all divorces today is the result of the Hypergamous control HBC empowers women with.

Environmental Impact

In chapter four of the book The Red Queen, Matt Ridley details how environmental factors, particularly social and population environments, have an influence on gender determination for humans and other higher order animals. A lots been written about R and K mating selection strategies in the manosphere so I’ll save that discussion for another post, but what was relevant to me (while I was listening to this chapter recently) was how socially created environmental stresses had an effect on what gender a society preferred a child be born to parents.

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

Needless to say, this chapter also covered the ‘one child’ policy enforced by China to address overpopulation and how for every 100 girls there are now 122 boys available. Beyond this, however, was the interesting hypothesis that depending on social and cultural stress present, preference for siring boys or girls has historically come in relation to which gender was more likely to make both the child and its parents’ lives easier as well as pass on its genetic legacy. There is even speculation that evolution has accounted for this in how our biochemistry changes to select for a boy or a girl in a given environment.

It’s an interesting aside to consider that until George Bush senior was in office, all prior Presidents had sons. Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama all have daughters. Granted, this is speculative, but also consider how HBC and the resulting feminine-primary social order since it was invented, has directed our culture to normalize empowering women while handicapping men – all in the name of egalitarian equalism of course.

At no time in history has it been more advantageous to be a woman in western(izing) cultures. Hannah Rosin acknowledged the advancement of women at the expense of men in The End of Men as far back as 2010. I add this here because it outlines the degree to which society has opted for the betterment of women, while simultaneously affirming the idea that men become more feminine since the time of the sexual revolution.

Is it mere coincidence that men have been encouraged to “get in touch with their feminine side”, to identify more like women, to alter their ways of communication to be more female-accommodating, and to redefine conventional masculinity as “toxic” while reinforcing a new feminine-correct definition of masculinity for men? Is it coincidence that 95% of all transgender children are boys being encouraged and affirmed by their parents and teachers to switch to being girls?

And is all of this coincidence in an era when the social condition is one that provides benefits and entitlements to girls; one in which teachers presume a feminine-correct bias in their teaching methods?

This of course is all speculative, but these are unignorable observations about our feminine-primary social order. I’m in no way implying that Vasalgel or its like will alter what already is in our social structure, but I will speculate that women’s physical and paradigm shift back from an HBC influenced mating methodology to a naturalistic one will eventually have larger societal implications.

I believe that the Red Pill men of today will be in the perfect position to exploit this, or to inform the next generations of men how to exploit this shift for themselves.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Höllenhund: “He seems to believe men have increased their sexual attractiveness in the past 50-60 years by improving their hygiene.” By the usual objective standards a significant number of men have prettified themselves. They are more physically attractive, which is not to say sexually desirable. While a large group of women have just said “fuck it,” those that have not have prettied themselves up a hair as well, in a way that is sexually desirable to men. Yet the “official reports” as well as anecdotal experience suggest that sexual activity is trending strongly downward in the population, particularly in the… Read more »

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@ Mitch
There’s no fool like an old fool.

I’ll ask you again under who’s frame are you entering this relationship with your Russian unicorn?

Even if the answer was ” mine ” and it’s clearly not. You still shouldn’t marry/LTR and expatriate this woman.

You are deluded and suffering from a bad case of oneitis. This will not end well.

Will you be man enough to come back and admit it when it all blows up in your face?

I think your posts suggests that you are not.

But good luck anyway. Boy are you going to need it!

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@Mitch:

What do you do with a specialized tool that you no longer have a use for?

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@Blaximus “I’ve brainstormed myself into near exhaustion, trying to understand why I tend to see ” things ” in an almost polar opposite as the rest of the manosphere ( Save for Rational Male. The only site worth reading for me ). ……..I am often completely baffled by the sentiment, but over time I am starting to understand that the ” lose your ego ” comes from a different place than I am fully familiar with. Usually the phrase refers to an outsized, unrealistic version of ego. So I guess I can understand it on an intellectual level. Lol. Same… Read more »

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Regarding a comment on here that the rational make is th only blog worth reading, I have to somewhat disagree.

For what it’s worth these are the gems I’ve found amongst the chaff. In order.

1. The rational male
2. Illimitable men
3. Blackdragon blog
4. Solomon II blog (old but the off is still floating around) very humorous and well worth a read. This guy was a red pill pioneer and the chapter called “little critters” about the rationalisation hampster and the entitlement monkey is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. Enjoy.

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Going back to the loss of masculinity and the FI induced decline of civilization topic. Masculine civilizations do create prosperity, then when that prosperity is reached, they become feminized which leads to their decline or conquest by other more masculine cultures. In the past this is the apparent pattern, but in these modern times we have nukes and egalitarianism. Conventional wars of conquest between major powers is simply not likely, so one way to destroy a feminized society has been blocked. Now my real question is as some grass eater types give up on the burden of performance and these… Read more »

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@MitchTheBitch – I can go fuck myself? You arrogant dipshit, I can’t wait until she rips your heart out, along with large amounts of cash. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, fucktard. I mean, you are doing a Russian mail order bride, giggling – and post-wall one at that. You do get how utterly fucked that is, yes? You do get the whole “Eastern Euro/Russian/Latin/South American/Asian women are better than American women” is a trope the manosphere has taken apart for over a decade, yes? And remember, I’ve fucked and dated a bunch of Russian/Eastern Euro women, I’m sure more… Read more »

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@Rollo: I’m not a fan of Trump but I do see how he plays the perfect villain for a campaign based on feminist memes. He’s the perfect vaudevillian bad guy to hate. That’s why I said he’s too perfect for the role.

Indeed — this latest push is a bald attempt to get Mr. Trump to escalate. The last debate he treated Mrs Clinton well. If he “pulls off the gloves” this debate then the Duluth model gets activated: automatic loss for the male and automatic sainted victimhood for the female.

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@Rollo – Your comments (and others) about Trump and the election sound quite conspiratorial, as though some of “them” get together in a back room and say, “Yeah, this is who we’ll run”, I mean you are much smarter than that Rollo. Don’t fall for that bullshit. The truth of Trump’s candidacy and the Republican and Democrat primaries is quite easy to see, no conspiracy required. Trump – A publicist who was involved in his campaign (cannot find her name or the article, as it was a while ago, i’m sure some googler her can come up with it if… Read more »

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Re: Novaseeker – Wrong about everything, but still certain he’s right, lol. It’s just too rich.

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Re: Politics – Much of the commentary and pose from rightwingers is undistinguishable from the virtue signaling of the SJW left in the sense of the actual purpose it serves. Hint, it’s social signaling. But of course social signaling is done because it’s effective… Take the raft of Republicans now bailing on Trump. The very fact that such social signaling has currency for the McCains of the world tells us that the left has already won. I mean, why would they need to signal this way politically if it didn’t work. And how come it works? And while I’m unsure… Read more »

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“An interim period of dictatorship will be required (benevolent, such as Doug MacArthur’s stewardship of Japan post WWII) in which we strip out Prog-Marxist values.”

This is what a Tyrant was in the original form.

“Thomas Jefferson stated that we should have a revolution every 150 years as he knew govt would mutate in this way due to human nature.”

Informed by the Athenian example of democracy cyclically destroying itself, as well as the fall of the Roman Republic.

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Hey kids can we get back to the fucking topic? Read this: http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/video-games-keeping-men-unemployed.html/?a=viewall Or just google “unemployed men videogames.” Isn’t this exactly what we’ve been talking about these past several posts and threads? Men dropping out? Refusing to marry up party girls and sire the sprogs while working three jobs before being cast into the outer darkness? Like Dalrock’s been saying for years, even Charles Murray? (though Murray doesn’t know how right he is about this, being a “yay rich people” sort) And now it’s become noticeable enough our FartSmeller incognoscenti are getting the vapors about it? Look at all… Read more »

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See how effective the Prog-Marxists are?

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEqU71k0zAc&w=560&h=315%5D

They are doing this while Trump is riffing…

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And how come it works?

Because it appeals to the least informed and most easily persuaded voters: minorities (especially new immigrants from asia & mexico), women, and the young, who are the swing voters.

Note: simply being college-educated doesn’t necessarily mean that a person is politically informed. Half of the college-educated couldn’t find A-stan on a map and don’t know which groups form the political base of the two major parties.

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Mitch: mystery of marriage? Seriously, get your head out of your ass and listen to what the other men here are saying. This woman will fuck your over down the line once you are no longer useful to her. You’ve got white knight written all over you. Step back and think dude…

Regarding divorce rate explosion coinciding with the pill, also consider no fault divorce. I believe the timeframe corresponds to the divorce ramp up. At least and maybe more important than the pill.

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Hey Fred – I’m not your fucking kid and the topic here is whatever the fuck we want to make it. Stop playing school-marm…

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Re: The Gamer’s comment. Lol, sure, only unintelligent people are subject to social conditioning. That’s why on average, higher IQ people are much more likely to be Prog-Marxist ideologically, cuz they are immune to virtue signalling and social pressure. It must be because they are smarter. Trump isn’t popular due to IQ or lack of it, he’s tapping into an untapped reservoir of legit frustration and political concern. He just has no idea what to do with it and has no business arguing that he can lead us since he’s an utterly unserious man when it comes to ideas and… Read more »

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Hey scrib, if you don’t want to get the jokes, fine, but I’m not explaining them. And the election, for purposes of this article, is a fucking joke. And I’m joking about it. I won’t break your frame, don’t try to break mine. Stop reacting reflexively and look at what I’ve cited. I probably agree 70% with you if you’ve been paying attention. Even your take on the election these past couple pages, and I am not the same political stripe as you. (No I’m not a Marxist, because I have money, and I’m keeping it, thank you very much.… Read more »

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” . . . he’s tapping into an untapped reservoir of legit frustration and political concern.”

It’s the desirous of, but not yet ready for, a revolution phase. A hopefulness that The People still retain enough power to foster a bloodless coup.

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The election is now 31 days away. A lot can happen between now and then. The upcoming informal town hall debate format will afford ample opportunity for women and men in the audience to demonstrate their “righteous indignation”, defend their helpless daughters out there, and conflate the drama toward an unapologetic, alpha candidate like Trump. They won’t like his response. In political elections candidate mudslinging is highly effective. If you have dirt on the other guy or gal, then you use it because it can obliterate the opponent’s campaign, often decisively so. So ordinarily you just do it, and hope… Read more »

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@ Kaminsky: He wants to dream like a young man With the wisdom of an old man. He wants his home and security. He wants to live like a sailor at sea. Beautiful MITCH, where you gonna fall? You realize you just don’t need it all. Nice. That’s exactly right, except for the last line. @kfg: What do you do with a specialized tool that you no longer have a use for? I expect that once married I will need and make use of the tool more than ever. @scribblberg: You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. You… Read more »

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“It’s the desirous of, but not yet ready for, a revolution phase. A hopefulness that The People still retain enough power to foster a bloodless coup.”

Or just the desire to husband up some resources for the worst potentiality.
Which Hillary is going to shut off immediately.
Logistics supersede tactics.

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Mitch, This is well meaning although I don’t think you are in the frame of mind to comprehend that yet. Eventually you will be. There is no turning back. You can choose to maintain position for fear of moving forward, but that will soon enough prove to be exhausting and fruitless. I am not trying to mind fuck you or make a fool of you or pretend to be superior. This is offered help from one who has been through the god awful crap that motivated you to come here in the first place. We should go fuck ourselves? Think… Read more »

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@ Mitch I’m sure you get why many here are sounding the alarms. I think they all have the best of intentions, even when exercising tough love towards you. I tend to see both sides of the argument. Here and elsewhere in the sphere there is a very strong tendency to talk ” awalt ” to extremes, as if all women are irrational users and divorce papers that will spoil everything they touch, every single time, guaranteed. I believe PUA and red pill thought are so powerful, they tend to overwhelm. Things like ” heart ” and ” love ”… Read more »

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Mitch – “While it’s true that we don’t get from women the kind of love we give and that we think we want, does it not occur to anybody that the same thing might be true for women?” The answer is no. The same is not true of women. You will hear that it is but it is not. Actions and net results of behavior patterns are reality. Words are only sounds and shapes of ink patterns or colors on pages and computer screens symbolic of reality or its distortion. They are meaningless if they do not agree with actual… Read more »

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What Mitch is doing right now can be summed up thusly:

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/bd/bdd2604919843b9d0d653c7e1f77d85fbf3f1bd477d059a9e7cc2fa0eefe04d0.jpg

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Scribb Considering that what you say is true,and it really doesn’t matter who is the talking head in the oval office,the results will likely be the same.The intelligent move would be to throw away your vote on someone like Evan McMullin and retain your own integrity and self respect,all the while knowing that Evan will also be ineffective. Still Rollo called it when he suggested this campaign would go the route of sex and gender! Also it looks as if a man gets funkissed or vaselgel when she goes off the pill he will need to alpha up if he… Read more »

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Trump should try and make out with Hillary on stage. Might as well go all in. Lol.

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What Sun said.

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Rugby 11 “in 1906. In his analysis Galton” Note in 1906 the wisdom of the crowds was not influenced by mass media. The elites and the intelligentsias are the minority with the power to control the curriculum and thereby the consensus,this in no way makes them the authority in any matters concerning survival in the modern world. What I have found amazing is the intelligent decision making goes down as the wealth goes up. Also the inability of the higher class to effectively communicate with the working class.The com gap keeps widening until neither understands what the other is saying.… Read more »

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Many Americans would turn a blind eye to this and the rest may wish they had.

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One of the most influential bits of mass media in the history of Western Civilizaion:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46853/46853-h/46853-h.htm

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Just piling on a bit:

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Point taken,yet the saturation of the media was not so refined.

v[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0_NsG6pcU&w=560&h=315%5D%5Byoutube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0_NsG6pcU&w=560&h=315%5D

I am suggesting that the consensus is wrong,due to a constant drip of missinformation.

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@blax I tend to see both sides of the argument. Here and elsewhere in the sphere there is a very strong tendency to talk ” awalt ” to extremes, as if all women are irrational users and divorce papers that will spoil everything they touch, every single time, guaranteed. Yeah, well, its that generational thing again. You may have grown up around women and learned to be a man and shit, but a lot of newbies aren’t. So its not that they should all be heartless assholes, its just they aren’t disciplined and experienced enough to deal with women like… Read more »

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@Hank Yeah hilary…pretty evil She wants open borders and “free trade” at the expense of our “one flag.” She wants the “one flag of Globalism.” She has one position for the “benefit” of the public, and the true position for the benefit of her globalist funders. She destroyed the middle east over a vendetta against Gadaffi because he supported Obama in 2008. This overflow caused the Syrian mess. Now she blames Russia for her hangnails. Clinton, Obama and Kerry have been leading us into WWIII now for years. The only thing left now is for open war to break out.… Read more »

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Blax: “So the consensus appears to be to never go forth. Gain knowledge, but don’t actually use it in real life.” Hank: “Ha! Interesting you bring that up, because that is how *I* often feel about you older dudes. Funny that there is a disconnect there. Whenever marriage is brought up, it tends to be the older guys that suggest to “put up and shut up” and not adjust to the times, whereas us younger guys are trying to figure out a new way to make things work.” I agree there needs to be more work done on marriage…but given… Read more »

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Trump did a lot better in this debate.

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“She is a very strong, beautiful, mature, charismatic, stubborn, difficult, selfish, passionate, funny, amazing, inherently flawed woman. It takes some serious stones to love a woman…”

Well, I dont know whether what you going to be getting into with the lady involves any signing of any papers….you could just sign the contract already…and live very happily ever after.

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Hank:“You may have grown up around women and learned to be a man and shit, but a lot of newbies aren’t. So its not that they should all be heartless assholes, its just they aren’t disciplined and experienced enough to deal with women like men from earlier generations.” Newbies should learn through the processes of Mastery. http://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2014-04-16-Book-Mastery-Robert-Greene.png It is a call to be disciplined if you wanna be. Experience takes desire and the ability to go through the stages of Mastery. It is not about dealing with women like men from earlier generations. It is about dealing with women in… Read more »

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Yeah, I don’t do unconditional love. But, I never have done unconditional love, either. Even when I was blue pill, I didn’t do it. There are always deal-breakers for me, and there always will be deal-breakers. I’m an OldGuy ™ too.

*Shrug*

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Cheupez: “Well, I dont know whether what you going to be getting into with the lady involves any signing of any papers….you could just sign the contract already…and live very happily ever after.” Mitch will have an overt contract. (I move you here. You be my wife. I get you citizenship.) The trick is to avoid covert contracts. She will love conditionally. He will have the burden of performance. His unconditional love should change on a dime if she is not worth it. If she is not appreciative of his provisioning AND his alpha skills (which we don’t know he… Read more »

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@Not born I do get where guys are coming from, that the intention is to help me, to save me from my foolish self. As I said in my first response I appreciate that. I told ya’ll to go fuck yourselves because, despite the well intentions, the responses to my post are primarily about projecting your own shit onto me and my situation, which you actually know nothing about, as if being “enlightened” by red pill theory you now have the answer for all men in all circumstances. Which is absurd. I also think these types of responses are a… Read more »

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What’s being overlooked by the Trump phenomenon is the power of the internet. Much like the printing press knocked over the Pope’s monopoly over doctrine, the internet is slowly eroding the elites’ control over the political narrative. Just the thought that we’re engaging in this forum is amazing, like minded men from around the globe sharing information instantaneously is mind boggling. Just look at Google’s scrapping of Feed Reader and personalising search results or Twitter and Facebook banning ‘politically incorrect’ narratives. They’re trying to herd cats and it isn’t working. As for Mitch, the fact she is post wall is… Read more »

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@mitch, she’s running game on you, done a very good job of it too. I know you’re going to tell me to fuck off too, but I’ve seen it done and I’ve had it attempted on me. When the boys tell you her love is conditional at best no matter what she is saying to you, you better listen, you better remember you still bear the burden of performance. Have at it, I wish you well, but these foreign brides don’t always turn out well.

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Unconditional love is when you don’t worry about giving love and open your heart to fucking your girl good. With no conditions. Here is an example: You fuck your girl good. She orgasms early. You need more to time to get off. Then she derides you for not getting off because you drank to much alcohol. And then you go downstairs and watch TV with her and she is doing stuff to annoy you. Could be anything. You start an argument. And she resents it days later. She is doing the covert contract thing there. I agreed to fuck you… Read more »

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@johnycomelately

As for Mitch, the fact she is post wall is his saving grace, options dwindle as they age.

Lol! Touche, my friend. You may very well be absolutely right about that!

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Random Angeline said: “…..her love is conditional at best no matter what she is saying to you, you better listen, you better remember you still bear the burden of performance.” Mitch pretty much was on board with this according to my supernatural powers of reading between the lines. And if he goes down trying, it won’t be worst than his last. And contracts and all, it seems a slam dunk pre-nup and all. I mean she can only claim some payment for what she was worth when they were together and he can adjust for how she is performing. Right.… Read more »

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Donald Trump: Hillary, your value to us as President is-what-it-is after you’ve been fucking us over as a politician for the last 30 years.

Man to woman: Your value to me is what your value is after fucking me. You social media-ing ad in-finitim with disregard for my higher status?

How dare you?

Dammit Women: Have after sex value. I demand command it from you because of my (good alpha performance)!

It’s legit.

Value after.

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Using my own supernatural powers of reading between the lines, I was expecting his original comment to end with a link.

It read like astroturf.

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No offence intended Mitch, I’m with a post Waller 3 years older than myself.

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Male chauvinism vs. Female chauvinism If one could take a time machine back 100 years they would be struck by the different attitudes and behaviors of the two genders of our dimorphic species. Back then male chauvinism was overt and female chauvinism was covert. It still is today. Women knew and understood then that men were bigger, stronger and faster. When it comes to intelligence……well there’s more to intelligence then just raw IQ. Women understood (understand) that they were smarter in many ways then men in this regard. They have a kind of COVERT female chauvinism that is justified in… Read more »

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Rollo, with all due respect, I don’t think you’re reading me quite right. I have learned a lot from your essays, and I really appreciate the work and thought you have put into this stuff throughout the years. It has greatly benefitted me, and no doubt many other men as well. I just re-read the one on vulnerability. It’s very good, and I think accurate particularly with regard to this idea: True vulnerability is not a value-added selling point for a man when it comes to approaching and attracting women. As with all things, your vulnerability is best discovered by… Read more »

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*such a great fuck

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“What’s wrong is the overt attempt to parlay that vulnerability into a strength or virtue that you expect that woman to appreciate, feel endearment over or reciprocate with displays of her own vulnerability for.” If you are vulnerable but do NOT expect her appreciation, and do not attempt to bait her into also revealing a vulnerability of her own, I think vulnerability IS strength. It’s basically you saying: this is me, I’m human, I make no apologies for who I am, I have nothing to hide, if you are turned off by that then I will see it as incompatibility… Read more »

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“not because Hillary is the better candidate (she is just as empty)…” I need to correct that statement. Hillary is not empty like Trump is empty. She is a corrupt fascist/feminist marxist ideologue. BTW, I can’t substantiate this, but I seem to recall more than one reference from various historical authors on the Weimar Republic Germany that during the 1920’s there was a feminist movement in THAT country as well. They had their period of decadence and currency devaluation along with a decade of leaderless policies and hand outs. Out of that political vacuum the German people wanted A LEADER;… Read more »

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Will it look like futuristic society of fascist bread and circuses?

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xStvfbIddM0&w=560&h=315%5D

Or more like the end stages of a decadent Mayan civilization at it’s apex of ruin? Probably not this, of course, but note the decadence of that culture in the scene.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YEIgHn2GXk&w=560&h=315%5D

I guess only time will tell.

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Boy, oh boy! He’s gonna go down swinging……..enjoy the circus!

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wjVdrWQylc&w=560&h=315%5D

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@ Mitch I think the Fact that you have only spent ONE WEEK with the Russian unicorn broad tells me that your “love” for this woman is based on the idealistic model. She has gamed you pal Female “Love” is predicated around Lust, Respect and admiration but will Always be subject to the burden of performance. Does this lady feel lust for , respect and admire you? The fact that this “relationship” is operating firmly within her FRAME not yours, tells me that she is going to have problems respecting and admiring you and by extension how can she feel… Read more »

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Some of you old Englishmen might enjoy this old German diddy (in english, though, but of course):

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7emkdc4Pjg&w=560&h=315%5D

But we all know who did it better (Americans always do!):

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQJFWhn1R_w&w=560&h=315%5D

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@ Mitch, Listen to Playdontpay – for he is WISE! I understand where Blaximus and SJF are coming from but PDP is right about the spot you currently find yourself in. No need to respond to me Mitch. It’s okay, really. You seem like a genuinely nice guy to me. I hope you don’t have to hear those SAME EXACT WORDS from your unicorn at some point. Maybe it will be different for you. Maybe you and her are two very special snowflakes meant to “be together until the stars fall from the sky” – Jim Morrison. Good luck! (I… Read more »

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@ Mitch,

My parting farewell to you. I dedicate this song to you. All kidding aside, it’s a great song!

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lVqEchxIxw&w=560&h=315%5D

Good Luck!

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“it seems that you have fallen head over heels in idealistic oneitis based romantic love with her, she already has you willing to offer commitment / thinking to wife her up and bring her to the US after one week together.” I am travelling in that part of the world right now – and I 100% endorse @Paydontplay ‘s comment – but with the caveat that with this quote above, it’s even more complicated than that based on her culture/upbringing. This is not a hook-up culture, and a strong majority of women here want to know you’re going to stick… Read more »

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But I am interested in my own process of growing my capacity to love, because my own experience has taught me (sorry, not the FI) that this is what makes life fulfilling and meaningful for me. My intention is not to stir up shit or piss people off, but to wholeheartedly offer my own perspective to men that may be tempted to give up hope in terms of their prospects for having love in their life. I makes me sad to see men believe that they cannot love and be loved. This is a fundamental human need, and intentionally choking… Read more »

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@ Joe K, I think by now he has gotten the message from all of us here and is tired of hearing our concerns for him – lol. To be fair (I’ll just speak for myself here) the RP mental shift can have a dramatic affect on one’s way of seeing the world and for many it becomes a kind of ideology/religion as I believe Blaximus or somebody here alluded to earlier. This becomes an ego investment if one is not careful. I get that. I’ve never been head over heals in love, so I consider myself jaded but also… Read more »

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@Novaseeker – great comment, and when you wrote: “This is the essence of what keeps men, when they are at the brink, of embracing the red pill. They don’t want to lose the comforting emotional elements of the blue pill mindset, because they feel that if they do so, they cannot experience love fully” – reminded me of this:

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@ Novaseeker,

I just missed your post as I was typing mine – lol. Those are good points you made.

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@ Joe K,

Wow. Great video! Thanks for that. Before I took the RP I really thought I was just emotionally damaged and fucked up. I had just accepted that lie and moved on – lol.

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What are ‘female subcoms’? I can’t find this term anywhere.

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@ Novaseeker,

I just missed your post as I was typing mine – lol. Those are good points you made.

It’s all good — your post was great, too, and I think it’s best to hear it said differently by different guys.

Loved your post and video, too, @JoeK.

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@ Butch,

Here’s a pretty good short video I found on the topic of sub communications:

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEhC5zjAcQQ&w=560&h=315%5D

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Did you check out BD’s latest post about non-monogamous mariage?
Very timely hehehe

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@ Rugby,

You could tell Tina Fey was into the binoculars. I always thought she might be kinky like that.

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Good stuff. I got to go do my beta thing right now and get back to ya’ll later.

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Women like Hillary and Merkel who have the backing of millions of Western women are importing hordes of third world men into their nations for a few reasons. Women who back Hillary and Merkel are usually unattractive, overweight, and combative. They assume the brown hordes of men will be less discriminating and give them the dick when white men won’t. This assumption is reasonable when one observes how black men line up to fuck fat white women who white men wouldn’t touch with another man’s dick. Looking at it from another angle, Western men have become feminized and domesticated, so… Read more »

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“Nothing less than the destruction of Western Civilization well result from this.”

Shhhhhhhh, that sort of talk only encourages them.

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@Mitch

I also think these types of responses are a lot less about concern for me personally than about policing boundaries and enforcing what appears to have become an ideology of its own.

More like informing new readers of the problems with your analysis. The responses aren’t specific to you, but to the Blue Pill ideas to which you still cling. New readers need help with deconstructing the Blue Pill. Unplugging takes a while.

Foreign women who aren’t golddigging you will likely still try to wear the pants in the relationship.

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Emotional love in men tends to lead to rationalizing bad behavior by the female object of their love and hence to letting the women dominate/walk all over them, which leads to women despising their weakness. So, emotional love makes men weak, as opposed to unconditional love, which does not, since it is independent of emotions.

The best kind of love is one based on a decision to love.

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Good conversation

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Political In-group Malice and Out-group Altruism. Sebastian Junger wrote the following in his book Tribe: Today’s veterans often come home to find that, although they’re willing to die for their country, they’re not sure how to live for it. It’s hard to know how to live for a country that regularly tears itself apart along every possible ethnic and demographic boundary. The income gap between rich and poor continues to widen, many people live in racially segregated communities, the elderly are mostly sequestered from public life, and rampage shootings happen so regularly that they only remain in the news cycle… Read more »

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SJF
Good point
“you don’t keep underscoring the places where you’re different—you underscore your shared humanity strategies.”
http://bit.ly/2d7wOBD

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Intererestingly enough, in the past 2 months since I last posted here, I too met a Russian unicorn. Beautiful, sexy, 26 years old (Im in my mid thirties), cooks and is submissive We matched on Tinder when I was in Russia last july, didnt get to meet because I was too busy fucking other russian girls. She was in my city about a month and a half ago, we got together, had sex on the second day we met. She went back to Russia, we kept chatting, and sone weeks later met in Europe and came back together to my… Read more »

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Rollo, in case you didn’t know, RSD mentions your book.

About 12:00 minutes in Luke discusses various books he and Tyler have read. He mentions TRM at 13:00 in the video. The entire video is pretty decent if you are into social circle dynamics.

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@A Wise Man

Yeah, Chateau Heartiste is over there. Thanks.

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@Scribble, I’ll check those two books you mentioned because the one I mentioned a few posts ago (Shadow Men) seem to have authors that compare notes. Check it:
https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/25/for-better-or-worse/comment-page-3/#comment-171192

As soon as a candidate says they will abolish the Federal Reserve, then I’ll start to believe.

@Mitch, simply answer Sentient’s question to your lady friend. Do that and you’ll be surprised at what you’re likely to find out.

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@Mitch, simply answer Sentient’s question to your lady friend. Do that and you’ll be surprised at what you’re likely to find out. Here is the thing, Mitch has had all kinds of replies but ignores this simple question, because this is the one answer he fears. Do not get married if you have any fear. And one week IRL vetting, is highly questionable Mitch. Highly questionable. Blax you condone this kind of approach? I think not. I’m a proponent of the Platinum Rule though, so good luck all the same. But really you should get an answer to that question.… Read more »

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Birth control is awful. If you go against your own biology then your whole nature will change. And as a consequence society will change as well. Humanae vitae is prophetic.

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Is YaReally’s archive not working for anyone else?

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