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If there’s one Google search term that’s become synonymous with The Rational Male it’s the word ‘Hypergamy’. Seriously, Google it.

If you listen to my seminar lecture from the Man in Demand conference from last year (sidebar), you’ll get why I believe that Hypergamy is one of the most important factors driving our feminine-primary social order. I didn’t mention it in the lecture, but when I was writing the outline for that talk I titled my notes ‘Hypergamy; From the Micro to the Macro’. If you consider how women have evolved to be sexual selector or filters for what, on a subconscious level, is really directing the breeding course of the human race it behoves a man to understand the biochemical influences that predispose women to Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

One thing I get asked a lot about with respect to the hormonal nature of Hypergamy (ovulatory shift) is that most hormonal forms of birth control predispose women to the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy because essentially their biochemistry is tricked into thinking it’s already pregnant.

I’ve covered this in the past, but I usually answer this by pointing out that the biological hardware and firmware of a woman still means her sexuality is cyclic while men’s is always-on. It may be that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift are less pronounced in a woman that’s on the pill, and even then women technically go off the pill on their placebo weeks, but the evolved mechanics don’t change. However, it’s no great secret that these mechanics become suppressed in women. This is just the cost of a women’s monopoly on a concealed form of birth control.

Milo Yianopolous generated a predictable outrage with his post Birth Control Makes Women Crazy, but it’s only pushing women’s indignation buttons because all his observations are true.

  • Birth control makes women fat
  • The hormones in birth control alters women’s voices to a sexually disadvantageous tone, evolutionarily speaking
  • Birth control distorts female subcoms that men consider sexy
  • It predisposes women to disregard their evolved sexual filtering mechanisms

There are other bullet points Milo covered in this article, however, the most important one I think ought to be considered here is:

Birth Control Makes Women Choose the Wrong Mates

It’s already established that going on the Pill makes you less attractive to men. But it also affects who you’re attracted to as well. Healthy, fertile women seek out men who are genetically different to them. Women on the Pill do the opposite, seeking out men who are closer to their own tribe.

Now, all that considered, when we introduce a variable like Vasalgel to the social mix it is possible that women’s sexual attitudes will progressively shift to a more natural state when and if the presumption of birth control falls mostly on men. Granted, most women who’re aware of Vasalgel at this point are enthusiastic about it. The common refrain is always the default of shaming men and how it’s about time men shoulder the “burden” of birth control , or how relieved they’d be for not having to remember to take a pill once a day and how they hate how it makes them feel.

This response from women is usually followed by, “But you could never trust irresponsible men to be honest about it, so women will still have to take the pill as a fail-safe for stupid and untrusted men.” So, at least initially, I’d have to be a bit skeptical that women’s birth control-influenced sexual habits and the social mandates that follow from them would be significantly impacted.

However, this also brings us to a point where we should consider how men and women in a monogamous or semi-monogamous state will have those relationships altered by a woman trusting a man enough, or confirming he’s on, with Vasalgel to the point that she abandons her own hormonal birth control. Hypothetically, consider this; a woman who was attracted to that man while under the influence of hormonal birth control now has her biochemistry revert back to a natural state.

There are quite a few studies that posit women’s hormonal birth control may be altering the course of human evolution. I’ve always argued that the root of women’s Hypergamous natures, their manifested behaviors, their sexual selection processes and even the rise of a feminine-primary social order can all be traced to women’s menstrual cycle and the extending behaviors inspired by it.

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For a more detailed analysis of how women’s menstruation and ovulatory shift influences women’s sexual natures and, more largely, how it influences Hypergamy, have a look at my essays You Friend Menstruation and Estrus respectively. From these posts, you’ll see that the latter half of women’s 28-day cycle is what I call the “Beta Phase” of women’s breeding preference, while the first 12 to 14 days of her ‘up cycle’ (proliferative phase) while she’s on build up to ovulation is the “Alpha Phase”.

Now imagine here that our hypothetical couple met while the woman had been on birth control for the better part of her adolescent and adult life. Her hormonal profile and subsequently her sexual selection predilections would follow along the line for progesterone in this graph. Thus, it would follow that her selecting this man was influenced by the behavioral set that progesterone predisposes her to – more Beta, more comforting, more rapport, more feminized physical features and more feminine (or feminine-identifying) sensibilities.

Once that guy goes on Vasalgel and affords her with the luxury of not needing hormonal birth control her hormonal profile and subsequent behaviors shift back to what evolution had found successful for women’s breeding for millennia. To put this into perspective, imagine the larger social implications of women shifting back to a natural hormone state. To be sure, this shift would be a gradual process, but as it stands now we have to account for the overwhelming degree of social control women are afforded in western(izing) societies today.

I don’t think it is too far a stretch to presume that the social engineering that’s led to the feminization of men today began around the time unilaterally female-controlled birth control became ubiquitous. I covered this in the Adaptation series of posts, but I think it needs to be added that the social power women wield today came as a result of this first shift towards hormonal birth control and the behavioral and psychological changes it’s wrought in women. Furthermore, men have consequently adapted to accommodate for this power shift as a result women’s shift in breeding strategies.

We now live in an age when women are expected to be Strong Independent® providers for themselves (however that’s achieved) and self-sufficient enough to make men’s provisioning relatively unnecessary, yet the characteristics of a hormonal profile of women on HBC (hormonal birth control) theoretically predispose them towards attraction to men who fit the, as Milo puts it, baby-faced ‘provider’ type.

Now consider that women who have been afforded this social power – power ceded to them from generations of feminized men who adapted to women’s hormonally influenced sexual strategies – shift back to the hormonal profile nature intended for them as a result of widespread unilaterally male-controlled BC. You get, at least initially, new generations of women who have the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamy equation tied up nicely, but now, likely proudly, women shift back towards the extremes that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift predispose them to.

In the long term this might be good news for conventional masculinity on whole. Less Beta pandering, less ‘get in touch with your feminine side’ bullshit, more much needed male assertiveness, more conventionally male sensibilities and dominance.

Harold posted this in last week’s comment thread:

Women expect men to be dominant, problem is, society gives men no room to express it. You can’t be economically dominant because women can make their own money. Me, for example, I only know of one way to be dominant over a woman and that’s to use my god given physical strength. And I don’t say that as a good or bad thing, just pointing out something that is.

You know, I was on YouTube and I came across a Domestic violence video. And in the comments section, many young women left many of the same comments of “I wanted to leave, but it’s hard to do when you are in love”. And it made me think back over the last 20 something odd years of my life

I used to be the nice, beta provider type. And in every case, the same thing happened. Essentially I was used for what I could provide. Money, favors, a car to give rides. But not once did a girl ever fall in love with me because of the nice things I did for her. Yet at the same time, I see women professing their love for men who beat them.

These experiences have killed the nice guy inside of me and made me view women as objects to be used, especially the more I learn about hypergamy. The only exception, as far as I am concerned is a traditional woman who actively suppresses her hypergamous instincts in favor of the good guy. And shows it by her actions.

The sad truth is that the unleashing of female hypergamy is going to produce more ex nice guys who imitate the users and abusers women show that they want by her actions.

Harold’s experience and later disillusionment is a common one for men in the manosphere. However, what needs to be factored into his awakening is that his experience follows the exact scheme we can expect from women’s HBC influenced Hypergamy. For five generations now, feminized men progressively ‘get woke’ to the fact that what they’ve been taught is expected of them in order to be attractive to women are the Beta Phase attributes inspired largely by women’s hormonal imbalances. It’s when they come to realize, hopefully sooner than later, that those feminized characteristic are a detriment to their own sexual imperatives that this condition is exposed.

It’s important to consider the societal ramification that something like Open Hypergamy (even Open Cuckoldry) will mean in an era when women must look to the most Hypergamously desirable men and seek their approval if they are to breed with them after something like Vasagel becomes commonplace. Presuming Red Pill awareness, combined with women’s hubristic attitudes about Open Hypergamy spread as I believe they will, you will eventually come to a generation of highly desirable men with the awareness, power and the choice to deny undesirable women the satisfaction of their long term sexual strategy.

Whether or not the majority of Beta men will exercise this power is speculative, but the the fact remains that women’s Open Hypergamy will become more and more unignoarable to them and they will have a new determinative power women will have to adapt to and compensate for in their relating with men whom they hope to have children with.

In Milo’s article there’s a very damning comparative study that suggests the rise in U.S. divorce rates coincides directly with the advent of HBC for women.

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Exactly why there is such a close correlation between the rise of the Pill and the rise of divorce rates we can’t say with total certainty, but the relationship is stark. Possible explanations include: a lack of children leading to fewer reasons for couples to stay together, and… all of the items mentioned on the list above.

Though Milo is reluctant to speculate, I would suggest that this stark parallel isn’t the result of less child births (abortion rates are also commensurate with the invention of HBC), but rather it’s a result of the behavioral shifts HBC has worked in women’s breeding strategies paired with men adapting to them (i.e. mass normalization of men’s feminization). I think Milo is too kind in his suggesting a lack of children would lead to divorce, when the uglier truth is that women’s initiating 70%+ of all divorces today is the result of the Hypergamous control HBC empowers women with.

Environmental Impact

In chapter four of the book The Red Queen, Matt Ridley details how environmental factors, particularly social and population environments, have an influence on gender determination for humans and other higher order animals. A lots been written about R and K mating selection strategies in the manosphere so I’ll save that discussion for another post, but what was relevant to me (while I was listening to this chapter recently) was how socially created environmental stresses had an effect on what gender a society preferred a child be born to parents.

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

Needless to say, this chapter also covered the ‘one child’ policy enforced by China to address overpopulation and how for every 100 girls there are now 122 boys available. Beyond this, however, was the interesting hypothesis that depending on social and cultural stress present, preference for siring boys or girls has historically come in relation to which gender was more likely to make both the child and its parents’ lives easier as well as pass on its genetic legacy. There is even speculation that evolution has accounted for this in how our biochemistry changes to select for a boy or a girl in a given environment.

It’s an interesting aside to consider that until George Bush senior was in office, all prior Presidents had sons. Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama all have daughters. Granted, this is speculative, but also consider how HBC and the resulting feminine-primary social order since it was invented, has directed our culture to normalize empowering women while handicapping men – all in the name of egalitarian equalism of course.

At no time in history has it been more advantageous to be a woman in western(izing) cultures. Hannah Rosin acknowledged the advancement of women at the expense of men in The End of Men as far back as 2010. I add this here because it outlines the degree to which society has opted for the betterment of women, while simultaneously affirming the idea that men become more feminine since the time of the sexual revolution.

Is it mere coincidence that men have been encouraged to “get in touch with their feminine side”, to identify more like women, to alter their ways of communication to be more female-accommodating, and to redefine conventional masculinity as “toxic” while reinforcing a new feminine-correct definition of masculinity for men? Is it coincidence that 95% of all transgender children are boys being encouraged and affirmed by their parents and teachers to switch to being girls?

And is all of this coincidence in an era when the social condition is one that provides benefits and entitlements to girls; one in which teachers presume a feminine-correct bias in their teaching methods?

This of course is all speculative, but these are unignorable observations about our feminine-primary social order. I’m in no way implying that Vasalgel or its like will alter what already is in our social structure, but I will speculate that women’s physical and paradigm shift back from an HBC influenced mating methodology to a naturalistic one will eventually have larger societal implications.

I believe that the Red Pill men of today will be in the perfect position to exploit this, or to inform the next generations of men how to exploit this shift for themselves.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“You can adapt to the environment as does a slave, or you can adapt as does a warrior. The former seeks the best conditions of capitulation, the latter the best conditions for a fight.” You guys seriously think that walking away from a girl using a phone is “fighting back”? I mean if it is in fact the disrespect scenario and he doesnt have the skills to turn it around and set his boundaries at the same time, sure. Thats the best option for him. But “adapting as a warrior”? WTF? As was mentioned if you have no value to… Read more »

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….damn. Made me go all ” loudmouth ” again.

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On accepting phones as an everyday part of life:

“The idea that a man must except whatever a woman or women are doing, and it’s useless to ever correct them ( because they will laugh at you and jet off with a billionaire orbiter ) is playing into a feminine frame.”

“He likes to highlight the extreme position, to the point of reductio ad absurdum, then prop it up with strawmen.”

Indeed.

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@ MrT

Do.Whatever.You.Like.

Simple, no?

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And how is any of that supposed to lead to the dystopia of rising male violence that Jeremy has envisioned?

Point was that what we are seeing now is the product of multiple factors, and the porn factor is a large and new one that isn’t intrinsic in matriarchy per se.

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“You guys seriously think that walking away from a girl using a phone is “fighting back”?” It was not my example, but it is certainly an example of setting boundaries. What do you think the FI is doing if not setting boundaries as they want them? They have moved them all the way to Yes Means Fear. All by simply whining at men who won’t say “no” and walk away from a whining woman. “As was mentioned if you have no value to her . . .” I am not particularly interested in whether I have value to her. I… Read more »

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It’s funny on some level.

Just even stating that a man might walk away from a ( rude..) phone obsessed female seems utterly crazy and unthinkable and lol-worthy.

” Why, that’s crazy!!!”.

I don’t know what comes over me sometimes *sarcasm*.

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@Sun: The soliloquy I real! 😂😂😂😂 #Mitch

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*is real

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I was struck in the new post with something rollo said “It’s not them, it’s you” in regard to how women respond to Mitch.

So much truth in that simple statement and it explains why you cannot square the circle with a lot of these guys. They simply do not have the same reactions from women, so they cannot comprehend. It’s just that simple.

I will elaborate further on this tomorrow, with particular emphasis on the ‘phones” situation…

It’s not them. It’s you.

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“It’s not them. It’s you.”

This is why I have, over the past several threads, even to Ya Really, had to keep saying, “Remember, we’re talking about Joe the Plumber. Not the 10%, the 90%.”

Joe the Plumber, in the current zeitgeist, is fucked. If you don’t want to be fucked, get into the 10%.

A win for the MI would be pushing that back to 20% again.

But as a 10%er it can be hard to see what the 90% see, because, well, that’s not what you see. Because it’s you.

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@kfg “It was not my example, but it is certainly an example of setting boundaries. What do you think the FI is doing if not setting boundaries as they want them? They have moved them all the way to Yes Means Fear.” Its certainly not a good example, it certainly is an example of setting boundaries. I get this feeling that you see FI set a boundary and go: Im gonna fight back and counterset a boundary (however pointless one). I dont think its a smart way of going about reaching your goals (im presuming thats changing the behaviour of… Read more »

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Re: Phones and chicks Last young chick I was with would try to pull out her phone when we would be laying in bed. I would simply grab it and place it on the nightstand while proceeding to fuck her again. If she pulled it out other times, I’d steal it and put it in my pocket, telling her she could have it back again when I felt like it. Now granted, it’s a bit harder to do that with girls you haven’t hooked up with yet, but in those cases I would figure withdrawing your attention entirely until she… Read more »

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KFG / Blax

“A win for the MI would be pushing that back to 20% again.

We are trying to help the fuckers… but they need to help themselves…

Like I said, you tell me you’re making $1M a year and I’m making $60k a year I say “tell me more!” not “bullshit man, things are so different today…”

[and yes I’ve made $1M in a year some years, but if a guy says he is making $5M I am ALL EARS]

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@ MrT ” The Men youve never seen in your life have seen different effect than what you see first hand (or expect).” But the question is ” why is that??”. That’s been my question almost from the start. I don’t get what the disconnect is, but it’s glaring. ” This notion that you shouldnt have boundaries is a strawman (or a red herring? idk, kfg help me out pls). Men should certainly have and exert boundaries, work on knowing themselves and learn to exert them. We disagree on what the effect of setting those boundaries (this walking away) will… Read more »

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@Mr T: ” I dont see how this example is relevant. ”

You should. It is not only relevant, it is critical.

As for my goals, they have nothing to do with women. If a woman wishes to aid me in them, she may apply and qualify herself.

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Like… allllll this shit is learnable… but acting you do or you don’t.

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@ Sun ” Last young chick I was with would try to pull out her phone when we would be laying in bed. I would simply grab it and place it on the nightstand while proceeding to fuck her again. If she pulled it out other times, I’d steal it and put it in my pocket, telling her she could have it back again when I felt like it. Now granted, it’s a bit harder to do that with girls you haven’t hooked up with yet, but in those cases I would figure withdrawing your attention entirely until she realizes… Read more »

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“I am not particularly interested in whether I have value to her. I am interested in whether she has value to me. If so, then perhaps we can make a value exchange.” Can we go home now? With that Frame? Well, perhaps not. I don’t think I can let that go downstream without cut and pasting. The “cell phone social media cone of affirmation” with the constant validation of HB8+ who you want to stick your dick in <25 still looms. The big strawman in the room. Your value. Not a universal value among men. You Game for years and… Read more »

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Just passing by, and I’ll leave this little article right here: http://myinforms.com/en-us/a/42588642-women-spend-more-time-checking-their-phone-than-they-do-with-their-partner/ It’s some kind of survey, so self-reporting bias is a risk, it’s supposed to hav an N = 1000 so it’s possibly good data. If I find a better link to the original document I’ll post it. An excerpt: The research shows just how psychologically dependent adults are on digital devices. It reveals 47 per cent see their phones as a comfort blanket, while nearly one in five play with their phone as a nervous habit. Without a phone, more than a quarter get stressed more than normal,… Read more »

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“You’re calling her out as rude but showing you have a fun side even when disciplining bad behavior. And if she doesn’t make an effort to get your attention back you either failed to spike her interest enough…” “Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! Holy shit, how did you ever work up the courage??? Lol. Weren’t you skeered???” Wait now you agree with that blax!? But when I said it (option 2 in my comment) you completely ignored it and accused me of capitulation, being plugged in, denying RP truths, etc. That’s literally what I suggested doing instead… Also, the… Read more »

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When this strategy was first suggested, it was as some meta push back from men that could correct women en mass. THAT’S what I have a problem with.

If more men did it, you’d have your mass…

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They might get laughed at though…..

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@othergrain, Blax Short term, it’ll work. Long term? Well that one has moved on already. I’ve got my doubts it’ll work long term. The rationalization from her friends and family will be “He’s too controlling!” and the moment she sees a window she’ll use it. *shrug* It’s not a long term strategy in my experience so far. It’s a strategy to make the short time you know you have with her enjoyable and show a little more dominance during that window. Nothing more. You cannot win against it all long term. You can only delay it. That affair lasted just… Read more »

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@blax

why exactly do you give a shit about what women are doing, though?

like there’s all this ‘men don’t need to tolerate/except/put up with’

…I agree, but I mean lol…the way we advocate not tolerating it is to withhold the things that benefit women primarily: marriage, monogamy, attention.

you advocate like…giving them the benefits but somehow not giving them the benefits?

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@kfg, @Blaximus: about keeping the 90% in mind. I think YaReally still understands the 90% fairly well, because he started there and hasn’t forgotten. Rollo has more than proven he also understands. Sentient perhaps understands this decently as well but I think he has a few blind spots. Don’t know enough of his background. Blaximus with his natural background I think either has serious difficulty understanding or doesn’t even try. Which is why he goes with stuff like “They Are Just Girls”, and other advice similar to the typical natural’s (and women that are your friends) sollipsistic advice of “Just… Read more »

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More snark and no actual response to my points. You’re right, this debate is pretty one-sided.

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“I think YaReally still understands the 90% fairly well, because he started there and hasn’t forgotten.”

And he works with them all the time. Which makes it even more peculiar when he defines them out of the equation entirely.

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Where are the 90% of men in the normal distribution?

Now; where are the 8+ <25 year old women?

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@kfg: rhetoric question I’m pretty sure you know the answer or could find it out. If you want the top 10%, then that would start a bit to the left of the +2sd line. There are some underlying assumptions to this, but they are robust for large populations. Where are the 8+ women is a question for YaReally. According to Tyler, they are usually found in exclusively clubs? If you meant in the chart, are 8+ women the top 20%? I’m not sure how the HB scale relates to the statistical distribution. One thing to note is that there are… Read more »

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“I’m not sure how the HB scale relates to the statistical distribution.”

It is a normal distribution. 8+ is nowhere near 20%. It’s circa 2% of the set (Age of Consent . . . 24). If you’re not too fussy about weight issues.

The 90% of men cannot have an 8+ <25 primary LTR live together baby momma. That is not the shape of the market.

As relationship model that is not even for the 10% of men. It is for the 1%ers.

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IAS Sentient perhaps understands this decently as well but I think he has a few blind spots. Don’t know enough of his background. Blaximus with his natural background I think either has serious difficulty understanding or doesn’t even try. Which is why he goes with stuff like “They Are Just Girls”, and other advice similar to the typical natural’s (and women that are your friends) sollipsistic advice of “Just be yourself” – because that works for them, why wouldn’t it work for you. Not sure what you are getting at here, maybe expand your thoughts…? You must realize that all… Read more »

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” Yeah sure some dude is growing up with a dorky 9 next door in his small town that at 17 hasn’t been discovered yet… but she will. And inevitably the true 9’s, monetizing their beauty will end up in a few places – ”

To put it in masculine terms, if you are 7 feet tall, there is a 17% chance that you are already in the NBA. And a rather better chance if you’re in your early 20s.

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This just in:

“Women spend more time on their smartphones than they do with their partners according to a new study. According to the study, women spend 12-hours more a week checking emails, sending texts, or surfing social media than they do with their loved one. Researchers also found that if people are unable to be on their phones, it leads to stress, anger and panic. A fifth of those surveyed said it would be harder to be without a phone for a week than their partner.”

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@kfg That survey result is completely unsurprising to me. With the chick I mentioned above, if I was out of the room she was on her phone. I demanded her attention through playful, assertive methods but I knew it usually only applied while I was near her. Now sometimes she would quite literally follow me with very submissive body language, not allowing more than a yard of space between us. A lot of times though when I’d take a couple minutes to take care of something, out came the phone or tablet. As for the HB scale and distribution, the… Read more »

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@Sentient: disclaimer, of the people I received advice from the Manosphere, you are near the top of the list (Rollo is probably right at the top). What I was getting at is that advice from Naturals, where I’d certainly include Blaximus and sometimes from you, regardless of being correct, can be hard to understand or apply. One can discuss if that is a failure of the “teacher” or of the “pupil”. Regardless, you don’t have any obligation to, shall I say, “bring it down to our level”. Sometimes not “dumbing it down” is even the best move (and I think… Read more »

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“As for the HB scale and distribution, the obesity crisis quite literally compresses it.” And skewed men’s perception of it. I routinely see young guys calling girls who are really quite ordinary, 8s, just because they aren’t obese . . . yet. My internal scale was set when obesity was still quite rare, mainly confined to the poor living on starch, and I had travelled the length of North America and the Width of Europe. And had spent time sitting in Union Square Park. And I rate the somewhat shorter, somewhat wider women higher than the high fashion tootsie pops… Read more »

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IAS IAS Understood Also I think that Game is not just decoded from “Natural” alphas but also a lot, if not even mostly, from women (which you may have included implicitly in “Naturals” in your post). This doesn’t mean that Women or Naturals are the best at teaching it to Betas! And agree on both points, yes most definitely decoded from hot girls as well… probably more so but that is hard to get the mind around… suspect it has to do with naturals “mirroring” behaviors in NLP terms, regarding sexual subcomms… Sun Fish in stocked ponds… http://zen.dk/zenweb/wp-content/uploads/0550.jpg KFG The… Read more »

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@Sentient,

“if your dick is happy, you will probably be happy”

Our dicks are always happy because they only have one eye, and it’s a slit going vertical, which makes all girls look thinner. lol

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“The traditional Playmate I would still rank a very desirable 8 and the glamazon model in the Claudia Schiffer mold an 9 . . .” Agreed on both counts. “… height counting a bit more overall all considered in rarity” But I am not interested in rarity, per se, and do not count height as part of a woman’s attractiveness. The fashion industry likes tall women because of the way fabric drapes, not because the women themselves are attractive. If I were in the fashion industry I would, professionally, value height as well. But I’m not. Too tall or too… Read more »

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Height would seem to be an evolutionary advantage though to men, so more prized in women for mating. To a degree.

But for sex yes proportion is key… though I would not consider Lena Dunham and her fat brain a genius either…

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015425/rs_600x600-150525175844-600.Lena-Dunham-Underwear.jl.052515.jpg

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Bottom line though… none of us can rank a girl as well as a girl can.

when ALL of the women at once look, then shift uncomfortably, then exhale slowly with a nervous expression about them…. you know a true 9 is in the vicinity.

competition is also a bitch…

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True HB8+ women make up less than 1% of the population at this point I’d bet. I’ve only seen them when, as mentioned above, they’re 16-18 and haven’t been “discovered” yet. More or less my take as well. In my view, typically the most attractive women who are in general circulation are 8s, and there aren’t many of them. They aren’t vanishingly rare, but they are rare. Most of the “hot” women in general circulation are actually baseline 7s who look like 8s when dolled up/sexed up in club wear and so on (good presentation can add a full point… Read more »

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Blax OK back to the Rollo insight It’s not them, it’s you and phones and how women interact with us and how that shapes our perceptions and young hot <25YO HB8+'s you are trying to stick your dick in. For some reason, while seemingly obvious now [and maybe it has been to many of you already] this didn't click with me, the continued miscommunication over simple articles of agreement working with women [i.e. setting frame, leading etc.] only in certain contexts and for limited duration. It was confusing, as it was to you. But when Rollo wrote that shortly followed… Read more »

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KFG – LOL we have to keep the scale adjusted at both ends right?

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@sentient I don’t really see any evidence of height being evolutionary anything for men. Heights among both men and women vary too much for anything resembling strong selection pressure to have been applied. Plus, the number of couples in America where the woman is the same height or taller hovers around 7% I believe. If you just paired men and women up at random without regard to height, that number would be around 10%. So, it just seems like the bias is cultural and doesn’t even have that much of an actual effect (considered against an alleged hypothesis that it’s… Read more »

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Nova follow the money and follow the fame… there they are. In my experience London, NYC, South Beach, LA, Chicago (yes), Scottsdale, Vegas are all standout cities… [Sun the Big D used to be up there, many still swear by it including CH himself. I’ve not been there in 15 years] Next best are pockets of wealth wherever you find them. It is such a pleasure to go to my club pool and look at the yummy mummys, all in great shape, all straining against their hypergamous shackles… you know the early 30’s former sorority and pageant girls… now out… Read more »

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@Sentient I started watching “The Affair” on Showtime. I started with the first six episodes of season 2 because it was available on Demand. Right now I’m up to the point Noah gets introduced to Sebastian Junger. (Also watched the first three episodes of Season One.) What interesting insights do you observe in the series with a red pill lens? Or is it just good melodrama? Incidentally, my wife tried to watch it in the past but found Alison too in-congruent as a siren for Noah or any of the other men. (Lack of inner and outer beauty and all…).… Read more »

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Sentient —

Yes, more common in those sorts of places. You can also find some of them in select situations here in DC — the lobbyist world, the hill staffer world, but these are different subworlds from the “DC lawyer chicks” CH talks about, and the “regular DC guys” would come across typically.

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SJF – wow the whole thing is about desire, hypergamy, competition (female to female, female to male, male to male) and the MI, the search for one’s self. None of these themes show through?

Am I looking through Red Pill colored rose colored glasses?

What does Mitch think I wonder?

I don’t have the scenes committed to memory I’ll try and view a few in the next week and get back to you.

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I think the phone/social media issue isn’t that “they look at a screen 24/7/365.” Of course, you can get a girl to talk to you without looking at her phone. Can you get her to stop using social media when you LTR her though? That’s the issue. Someone could compare social media use to the GNO shit test(https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/27/girls-night-out/comment-page-2/). At the end of the “Girl’s Night Out” post, Rollo writes: “At this point I should also add that this in no way excuses the woman who CONSTANTLY goes on GNOs as some kind of ritual with her girlfriends…If you ever find… Read more »

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“wow the whole thing is about desire, hypergamy, competition (female to female, female to male, male to male) and the MI, the search for one’s self. None of these themes show through?” LOL Sentient Yeah, the themes show through loud and clear. I guess what I was trying to get at is those things are clear through the red pill aware lens. It’s just that I guess I’m being solipsistic and Noah’s book being titled “Descent”. I’m looking for “Ascent” in real life. Heheh, I want less drama (notwithstanding more Masculine/Feminine polarity is a overarching goal in my life) in… Read more »

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In other words: In regards to The Affair series it is obviously me watching with a red pill lens trying to reduce Cognitive Dissonance. It is about the high drama. And I try to reduce that drama in real life. Not because I have to but because I want to.

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Sentient She has her “beta blockers” out as AR alludes to… the book is open, she has her phone next to it… the only thing missing were the ear buds. Dude, she had a book. That she apparently was reading. That makes her very atypical, maybe 10% of the population outside of a college town. Ask me how I know this, ok? It actually makes her easier to Game, because she’s still used to looking at something other than her phone. Unlike many other women in her demographic, who live in the phone. You’re still missing what Sun is saying,… Read more »

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@AR

Exactly. They’re people that don’t understand that the map is not the kingdom, because they were born after the map was laid over the kingdom. It’s going to take them personally witnessing the decay of the map to get that it’s not the kingdom. Not many of them will even notice. They’ll just be angry when the map is gone and this abhorrent thing underneath asserts itself.

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Most of the “hot” women in general circulation are actually baseline 7s who look like 8s when dolled up/sexed up in club wear and so on (good presentation can add a full point for most girls if they are in decent shape and know how to doll up properly). In some cases, a girl at the club or bar or what have you who is considered hot is really a baseline high 6 who pushes into dolled up high 7 (right against 8) when she’s torqued up like that. By “baseline” I mean what they look like when they are… Read more »

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You guys…. Very funny. I have 4 daughters and a son all under 24. They have grown up with every manner of technology and device. I know all about it and their so callesd “addiction”…

None of them will use it in my presence because i HAVE a presence…

Same with girls… It’s not them. It’s you.

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OMGs in this thread confusing “had a conversation with a girl who didn’t look at her phone” and “went on a couple dates with a girl who didn’t look at her phone on those dates” and “my daughters put away their phone for a few hours when I’m around” with “monoLTRing a girl for multiple years past the NRE stage” lolol When one of you OMGs monoLTRs those girls and they voluntarily stay off their social media 24/7 for you, for years past the NRE stage, you can tell us about how your **KEYBOARD ARMCHAIR THEORY** works in the actual… Read more »

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If I was with a hook up and he took away my phone I’d just leave. Insecure af dude :/

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@Sentient It’s not them. It’s you. Gosh, yeah, it’s totally my fault I need time to drop a deuce and in that moment they reflexively pull out the phone. If I was Alpha enough I wouldn’t need to take a shit, or at the very least I’d have her blow me on the toilet. If I was Alpha enough any time they spent away from me between hookups they’d give up the phone completely. Good point, thanks. And before you say I missed your point, I get it. Again, I’m telling how I go so far as to remove the… Read more »

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Sun You crack me up… your own FR shows what happens the 1% of the time you DID something… Last young chick I was with would try to pull out her phone when we would be laying in bed. I would simply grab it and place it on the nightstand while proceeding to fuck her again. If she pulled it out other times, I’d steal it and put it in my pocket, telling her she could have it back again when I felt like it. Yet you want to believe in the 99% of the time you did not? Have… Read more »

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@Sentient The point you’re missing: despite doing what I did it didn’t influence her when I just left the room and additionally she moved on within a month and half. Faith in myself is all well and good, but the result in the end was that she kept her nose glued to the screen when I wasn’t constantly actively enforcing it (which I’m not going to spend all my time doing) and she had the options to move on without any hesitation at all as a result. TL;DR: All the Alpha in the world will lose out to the screen… Read more »

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You guys…. Very funny. I have 4 daughters and a son all under 24. They have grown up with every manner of technology and device. I know all about it and their so callesd “addiction”…

Maybe the scare quotes are appropriate, maybe not. Dopamine hits are dopamine hits, after all.

None of them will use it in my presence because i HAVE a presence…

IOW they act just like Sun’s FB.

So?

How does this make him “wrong” and you “right”?

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You crack me up… your own FR shows what happens the 1% of the time you DID something…

Just for fun, I’ll expand on this.

Suppose that whenever you are out of the house your wife is giving free BJ’s to any man that walks in the door, but not in your presence would that be any sort of a problem?

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For those playing along at home, dopamine hits from social media can be just as real as dopamine hits from events IRL, apparently. Certainly the minority of girls who would rather be without their “partner” for a week than be without their phone for a week suggests that is true. Biology of Desire makes real clear that the state of being “in love” is essentially the same as addiction, at the neurological level. A girl who is forever getting dopamine hits from other men via social media has essentially “someone else”. It’s just another problem to be solved, or another… Read more »

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Sun “she kept her nose glued to the screen when I wasn’t constantly actively enforcing it (which I’m not going to spend all my time doing) ” Burden Sun… but you also alluded to some life altering circumstances, so… maybe that played a part.. maybe how you reacted to that did. You left it blank. But in the end… burden. This is what I see over and over it’s soooo hard and not in the good way. yes if you can’t set the frame, enforce and DO the work it will unravel. That is not a mystery. But keep focusing… Read more »

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Suppose she isn’t? Is that a factor?

But pretending it’s not a factor is ignoring reality. Less reading. more doing…

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Alright, I said I’d leave you in peace, but I’m going leave with one last comment. You guys can think whatever the fuck you want to think. Because I think differently doesn’t mean I hate any of you. At all. If you’re happy with your life, then have at it. You guys all think that I’m deluded, have a miserable time with women, I’m arrogant – tyrannical ego – i love that one. Jesus. Whatever. I think that you are massively deluded in your approach to red pill, and that the incredible reaction to a few comments from a simpering… Read more »

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Mitch, listen: We’re (for the most part) not getting our rocks off by taking the position of your RP superiors. This is a site for personal growth. And you’re clearly pissed, as I would be in your situation, so you’ll definitely need some time before you start firing of blog posts without your mind in the right place. You’ve got a lot of life under your belt and you’re clearly a smart guy. Still, can’t you sit down and outline your mistakes? Do some weird mindmapping shit about what went wrong and why and and try to link those reasons… Read more »

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The vapors of defeat.

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“Sentient” Suppose she isn’t? Is that a factor? It’s not answering the question, for sure. Hypotheticals too much for you to deal with? Can’t get your brain to do the work necessary? Let’s return to your children. When’s the last time you looked at everything in your daughters phones? Contacts, vids, tunes, text, reading material. You’re paying for all that connectivity, so knowing what they are engaged in is part of doing the work of being Daddy. Surely your 24 year old daughter only uses her phone in a Daddy approved manner 24/7; she’s not behaving one way in your… Read more »

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@kfg
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I brought up screening out crazy phone chicks and was informed that it would result in men being unable to fuck/reproduce at all.

I think push back from the fuckery is in order. Too many absolutes and they are way too extreme.

Can’t always hold up the extreme as a general example always.

But… I’m mildly buzzed now so why do I know.

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…what do I know

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You know that if you continue to drink, you’re bound to say some very interesting things. You owe it to the community — secure the funnel.

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Blaximus I brought up screening out crazy phone chicks and was informed that it would result in men being unable to fuck/reproduce at all. Yeah that was YaReally, in his social set “they are all like that” so screening out phone chicks screens out all women. So this little survey by B&L is interesting, because there’s clearly a subset of women surveyed who are… exactly like that. Confirmation of YaReally’s field observations. And I see it a lot in college aged people, especially women. However the same survey says NAWALT on this issue, and Sentient has his mini FR gaming… Read more »

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Interesting blue pill article. note all the supporters in the comments:
http://www.linkedin.com/hp/update/6192394464653234176

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@Sentient I’m the guy running the experiments and telling you what happened. YaReally is a guy that runs the experiments and tells you what happens. And you tell us we’re both wrong about what happened or will happen. Alright, bruh. You’re the authority. Ignore what we say and believe what you like. It’s cool. It’s aaaallllllllll me. Got it. A 100% turn around from who I was 4 years ago, a complete alteration of how I see the world, a complete change in how I deal with women, but hey I’m just not Alpha enough for a large enough part… Read more »

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@ AR And this is what I have maintained from the start. Always. I’m not seeing the same, my friends are not reporting the same. So It’s silly to say I don’t see something that Every girl does 24/7. I’ve said that I was trying to discern why this was. It’s not because IM NOT LOOKING. Lol, I go into the city with 8 million damn people. I don’t see every and all 24/7. I live in a city of 280,000 people squished inside a dozen square miles. I don’t see every and all, 24/7. It’s an exaggeration. I tire… Read more »

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….3.5 billion

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You know, as a woman, I have to say that you are actually 100% correct with what you speculate about the pill and woman’s menstrual cycles and how that relates to their sexual behavior. I was on the pill for 10 years before having a child, and I remember the doctor trying to put me back on the pill just 6 weeks after giving birth, and I was like HELL NO!! Why? Because I hadn’t felt sexual desire and arousal like that since I was a teenager (i.e. before I went on the pill). Interestingly I also discovered after going… Read more »

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Apparently they had to abandon the most recent trial of birth control due to concerns over the ‘safety’ of the male volunteers.

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