Environmental Stresses

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If there’s one Google search term that’s become synonymous with The Rational Male it’s the word ‘Hypergamy’. Seriously, Google it.

If you listen to my seminar lecture from the Man in Demand conference from last year (sidebar), you’ll get why I believe that Hypergamy is one of the most important factors driving our feminine-primary social order. I didn’t mention it in the lecture, but when I was writing the outline for that talk I titled my notes ‘Hypergamy; From the Micro to the Macro’. If you consider how women have evolved to be sexual selector or filters for what, on a subconscious level, is really directing the breeding course of the human race it behoves a man to understand the biochemical influences that predispose women to Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

One thing I get asked a lot about with respect to the hormonal nature of Hypergamy (ovulatory shift) is that most hormonal forms of birth control predispose women to the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy because essentially their biochemistry is tricked into thinking it’s already pregnant.

I’ve covered this in the past, but I usually answer this by pointing out that the biological hardware and firmware of a woman still means her sexuality is cyclic while men’s is always-on. It may be that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift are less pronounced in a woman that’s on the pill, and even then women technically go off the pill on their placebo weeks, but the evolved mechanics don’t change. However, it’s no great secret that these mechanics become suppressed in women. This is just the cost of a women’s monopoly on a concealed form of birth control.

Milo Yianopolous generated a predictable outrage with his post Birth Control Makes Women Crazy, but it’s only pushing women’s indignation buttons because all his observations are true.

  • Birth control makes women fat
  • The hormones in birth control alters women’s voices to a sexually disadvantageous tone, evolutionarily speaking
  • Birth control distorts female subcoms that men consider sexy
  • It predisposes women to disregard their evolved sexual filtering mechanisms

There are other bullet points Milo covered in this article, however, the most important one I think ought to be considered here is:

Birth Control Makes Women Choose the Wrong Mates

It’s already established that going on the Pill makes you less attractive to men. But it also affects who you’re attracted to as well. Healthy, fertile women seek out men who are genetically different to them. Women on the Pill do the opposite, seeking out men who are closer to their own tribe.

Now, all that considered, when we introduce a variable like Vasalgel to the social mix it is possible that women’s sexual attitudes will progressively shift to a more natural state when and if the presumption of birth control falls mostly on men. Granted, most women who’re aware of Vasalgel at this point are enthusiastic about it. The common refrain is always the default of shaming men and how it’s about time men shoulder the “burden” of birth control , or how relieved they’d be for not having to remember to take a pill once a day and how they hate how it makes them feel.

This response from women is usually followed by, “But you could never trust irresponsible men to be honest about it, so women will still have to take the pill as a fail-safe for stupid and untrusted men.” So, at least initially, I’d have to be a bit skeptical that women’s birth control-influenced sexual habits and the social mandates that follow from them would be significantly impacted.

However, this also brings us to a point where we should consider how men and women in a monogamous or semi-monogamous state will have those relationships altered by a woman trusting a man enough, or confirming he’s on, with Vasalgel to the point that she abandons her own hormonal birth control. Hypothetically, consider this; a woman who was attracted to that man while under the influence of hormonal birth control now has her biochemistry revert back to a natural state.

There are quite a few studies that posit women’s hormonal birth control may be altering the course of human evolution. I’ve always argued that the root of women’s Hypergamous natures, their manifested behaviors, their sexual selection processes and even the rise of a feminine-primary social order can all be traced to women’s menstrual cycle and the extending behaviors inspired by it.

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For a more detailed analysis of how women’s menstruation and ovulatory shift influences women’s sexual natures and, more largely, how it influences Hypergamy, have a look at my essays You Friend Menstruation and Estrus respectively. From these posts, you’ll see that the latter half of women’s 28-day cycle is what I call the “Beta Phase” of women’s breeding preference, while the first 12 to 14 days of her ‘up cycle’ (proliferative phase) while she’s on build up to ovulation is the “Alpha Phase”.

Now imagine here that our hypothetical couple met while the woman had been on birth control for the better part of her adolescent and adult life. Her hormonal profile and subsequently her sexual selection predilections would follow along the line for progesterone in this graph. Thus, it would follow that her selecting this man was influenced by the behavioral set that progesterone predisposes her to – more Beta, more comforting, more rapport, more feminized physical features and more feminine (or feminine-identifying) sensibilities.

Once that guy goes on Vasalgel and affords her with the luxury of not needing hormonal birth control her hormonal profile and subsequent behaviors shift back to what evolution had found successful for women’s breeding for millennia. To put this into perspective, imagine the larger social implications of women shifting back to a natural hormone state. To be sure, this shift would be a gradual process, but as it stands now we have to account for the overwhelming degree of social control women are afforded in western(izing) societies today.

I don’t think it is too far a stretch to presume that the social engineering that’s led to the feminization of men today began around the time unilaterally female-controlled birth control became ubiquitous. I covered this in the Adaptation series of posts, but I think it needs to be added that the social power women wield today came as a result of this first shift towards hormonal birth control and the behavioral and psychological changes it’s wrought in women. Furthermore, men have consequently adapted to accommodate for this power shift as a result women’s shift in breeding strategies.

We now live in an age when women are expected to be Strong Independent® providers for themselves (however that’s achieved) and self-sufficient enough to make men’s provisioning relatively unnecessary, yet the characteristics of a hormonal profile of women on HBC (hormonal birth control) theoretically predispose them towards attraction to men who fit the, as Milo puts it, baby-faced ‘provider’ type.

Now consider that women who have been afforded this social power – power ceded to them from generations of feminized men who adapted to women’s hormonally influenced sexual strategies – shift back to the hormonal profile nature intended for them as a result of widespread unilaterally male-controlled BC. You get, at least initially, new generations of women who have the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamy equation tied up nicely, but now, likely proudly, women shift back towards the extremes that Hypergamy and ovulatory shift predispose them to.

In the long term this might be good news for conventional masculinity on whole. Less Beta pandering, less ‘get in touch with your feminine side’ bullshit, more much needed male assertiveness, more conventionally male sensibilities and dominance.

Harold posted this in last week’s comment thread:

Women expect men to be dominant, problem is, society gives men no room to express it. You can’t be economically dominant because women can make their own money. Me, for example, I only know of one way to be dominant over a woman and that’s to use my god given physical strength. And I don’t say that as a good or bad thing, just pointing out something that is.

You know, I was on YouTube and I came across a Domestic violence video. And in the comments section, many young women left many of the same comments of “I wanted to leave, but it’s hard to do when you are in love”. And it made me think back over the last 20 something odd years of my life

I used to be the nice, beta provider type. And in every case, the same thing happened. Essentially I was used for what I could provide. Money, favors, a car to give rides. But not once did a girl ever fall in love with me because of the nice things I did for her. Yet at the same time, I see women professing their love for men who beat them.

These experiences have killed the nice guy inside of me and made me view women as objects to be used, especially the more I learn about hypergamy. The only exception, as far as I am concerned is a traditional woman who actively suppresses her hypergamous instincts in favor of the good guy. And shows it by her actions.

The sad truth is that the unleashing of female hypergamy is going to produce more ex nice guys who imitate the users and abusers women show that they want by her actions.

Harold’s experience and later disillusionment is a common one for men in the manosphere. However, what needs to be factored into his awakening is that his experience follows the exact scheme we can expect from women’s HBC influenced Hypergamy. For five generations now, feminized men progressively ‘get woke’ to the fact that what they’ve been taught is expected of them in order to be attractive to women are the Beta Phase attributes inspired largely by women’s hormonal imbalances. It’s when they come to realize, hopefully sooner than later, that those feminized characteristic are a detriment to their own sexual imperatives that this condition is exposed.

It’s important to consider the societal ramification that something like Open Hypergamy (even Open Cuckoldry) will mean in an era when women must look to the most Hypergamously desirable men and seek their approval if they are to breed with them after something like Vasagel becomes commonplace. Presuming Red Pill awareness, combined with women’s hubristic attitudes about Open Hypergamy spread as I believe they will, you will eventually come to a generation of highly desirable men with the awareness, power and the choice to deny undesirable women the satisfaction of their long term sexual strategy.

Whether or not the majority of Beta men will exercise this power is speculative, but the the fact remains that women’s Open Hypergamy will become more and more unignoarable to them and they will have a new determinative power women will have to adapt to and compensate for in their relating with men whom they hope to have children with.

In Milo’s article there’s a very damning comparative study that suggests the rise in U.S. divorce rates coincides directly with the advent of HBC for women.

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Exactly why there is such a close correlation between the rise of the Pill and the rise of divorce rates we can’t say with total certainty, but the relationship is stark. Possible explanations include: a lack of children leading to fewer reasons for couples to stay together, and… all of the items mentioned on the list above.

Though Milo is reluctant to speculate, I would suggest that this stark parallel isn’t the result of less child births (abortion rates are also commensurate with the invention of HBC), but rather it’s a result of the behavioral shifts HBC has worked in women’s breeding strategies paired with men adapting to them (i.e. mass normalization of men’s feminization). I think Milo is too kind in his suggesting a lack of children would lead to divorce, when the uglier truth is that women’s initiating 70%+ of all divorces today is the result of the Hypergamous control HBC empowers women with.

Environmental Impact

In chapter four of the book The Red Queen, Matt Ridley details how environmental factors, particularly social and population environments, have an influence on gender determination for humans and other higher order animals. A lots been written about R and K mating selection strategies in the manosphere so I’ll save that discussion for another post, but what was relevant to me (while I was listening to this chapter recently) was how socially created environmental stresses had an effect on what gender a society preferred a child be born to parents.

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

Needless to say, this chapter also covered the ‘one child’ policy enforced by China to address overpopulation and how for every 100 girls there are now 122 boys available. Beyond this, however, was the interesting hypothesis that depending on social and cultural stress present, preference for siring boys or girls has historically come in relation to which gender was more likely to make both the child and its parents’ lives easier as well as pass on its genetic legacy. There is even speculation that evolution has accounted for this in how our biochemistry changes to select for a boy or a girl in a given environment.

It’s an interesting aside to consider that until George Bush senior was in office, all prior Presidents had sons. Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama all have daughters. Granted, this is speculative, but also consider how HBC and the resulting feminine-primary social order since it was invented, has directed our culture to normalize empowering women while handicapping men – all in the name of egalitarian equalism of course.

At no time in history has it been more advantageous to be a woman in western(izing) cultures. Hannah Rosin acknowledged the advancement of women at the expense of men in The End of Men as far back as 2010. I add this here because it outlines the degree to which society has opted for the betterment of women, while simultaneously affirming the idea that men become more feminine since the time of the sexual revolution.

Is it mere coincidence that men have been encouraged to “get in touch with their feminine side”, to identify more like women, to alter their ways of communication to be more female-accommodating, and to redefine conventional masculinity as “toxic” while reinforcing a new feminine-correct definition of masculinity for men? Is it coincidence that 95% of all transgender children are boys being encouraged and affirmed by their parents and teachers to switch to being girls?

And is all of this coincidence in an era when the social condition is one that provides benefits and entitlements to girls; one in which teachers presume a feminine-correct bias in their teaching methods?

This of course is all speculative, but these are unignorable observations about our feminine-primary social order. I’m in no way implying that Vasalgel or its like will alter what already is in our social structure, but I will speculate that women’s physical and paradigm shift back from an HBC influenced mating methodology to a naturalistic one will eventually have larger societal implications.

I believe that the Red Pill men of today will be in the perfect position to exploit this, or to inform the next generations of men how to exploit this shift for themselves.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

586 comments on “Environmental Stresses

  1. @Chris, I’ve seen it. While I think it’s encouraging that Tyler is “addicted” to TRM, Luke on the other hand makes it obvious he has never read any of my books or the blog if all he thinks TRM is about is truthful “anger”.

    I get that RSD is all about upbeat, optimism in Game, but he’s got no frame of reference with regard to my work.

  2. Adding my voice with Sentient & Blax with respect to vetting…

    A one week IRL vetting is not highly questionable, it’s irrational.

    Proper vetting requires understanding a person’s values, motivations, boundaries, baggage, family dynamics, critical thinking skills, coping ability under stress… the goes on and on.

    You will not know this (can not possibly know this) in one week. To claim otherwise is irrational and hence Rollo’s smackdown.

  3. @Chris & Rollo

    YaReally has mentioned more than once that the PUA community doesn’t really understand the Red Pill manosphere, finding it to be bitter. Meanwhile you can find Red Pill men calling PUA’s “puerile” right here at TRM.

    This is pure amusement to me, in a way. The PUA’s are demonstrating Red Pill reality all the time, but don’t “get” the larger picture, while Ret Pill men are all about the theory and long winded keyboard jockey sessions but all too often don’t put any of it into practice.

    TRM is strategy. Like Sun Tzu.
    PUA is tactics. Like sword fighting.

    Each side is the same at a different level of conflict. So argument between PUA and TRM is like shouting at yourself in the mirror.

  4. Mitch, lemme ask you something. Can you spot a BPD girl? Have you even ever met one?

    I’m reliably informed that most BPD’s can act pretty normal for a day or two.

    Maybe even for a whole week…

    One week of vetting is not enough. Not nearly enough.

  5. @Rollo

    Luke clearly doesn’t get it, he’s probably just heard snippets from Tyler about the new ideas he’s reading about.

    I’d be more interested what Tyler thinks about it. If he’s ‘really into’ it, he probably has a more nuanced view of things. And that’s good news as he has a large audience he could expose your ideas to, whether by recommendation of the book or by integrating the ideas into his own.

  6. “Mitch is absolutely entitled to his understanding of RP, and to try to put it into practice. He is also absolutely entitled to try to figure out how to best proceed in life, to get what he wants out of life.

    He’s getting a heavy dose of advice here, and he seems to be listening. It’s one thing to say that Mitch needs to be careful and thoughtful, it’s quite another to say that he should fear and shy away from his wants.

    I too always am against fear.

    Yes. Do not fear. And if you do fear to do something that needs doing, do it anyway.

    The point is you must know what you are doing and why. In order to do that you must understand all dynamics in play.

    You must understand the world is like legos. You can make any damn thing you dream from them. But whatever you make will always be made of legos.

  7. @ AR

    Mitch, lemme ask you something. Can you spot a BPD girl? Have you even ever met one?

    I’m reliably informed that most BPD’s can act pretty normal for a day or two.

    Maybe even for a whole week…

    One week of vetting is not enough. Not nearly enough.

    This is why I had no replies to the whole ” speed vetting ” thing. Fast and easy will lead to faster and easier fuck ups.

    It takes as long as it takes according to the actual skill of the man doing the vetting.

    If a man has spent a significant amount of time in his life around women, he can develop his skillset to vet and screen much faster.

  8. @ AR

    YaReally has mentioned more than once that the PUA community doesn’t really understand the Red Pill manosphere, finding it to be bitter. Meanwhile you can find Red Pill men calling PUA’s “puerile” right here at TRM.

    This is pure amusement to me, in a way. The PUA’s are demonstrating Red Pill reality all the time, but don’t “get” the larger picture, while Ret Pill men are all about the theory and long winded keyboard jockey sessions but all too often don’t put any of it into practice.

    Lol.

    I only started watching some of the pua vids a couple of years ago. Objectively a lot of it does indeed seem ” puerile ” to me, looking in from the outside, but I understand that they are trying hard to be hyper-happy and positive damn near to a fault. I’ve never known dudes like that irl, so they kinda stick out in my mind as not very serious guys.

    I used to tell Ya a long time ago, that I could find a dozen venues to put most of these guys in and they wouldn’t be able to even pull a fire alarm.

    Location, location, location.

    And it’s not true that RP men are all about the theory.

    Do you think RP is all about fucking young hotties? Is that what you’ve gotten from TRM?

    To me, RP is different than pickup. One can inform the other.

    There seems to be a semi movement afoot to form a RP/PUA mashup, but only time will tell. PUA seems to concentrate on speed. Nothing truly speedy about RP. No need for speed.

  9. @Blax

    “There seems to be a semi movement afoot to form a RP/PUA mashup, but only time will tell. PUA seems to concentrate on speed. Nothing truly speedy about RP. No need for speed.”

    -Chateau Heartiste went full retard, leading to a pua exodus here. Syncretism was inevitable – and in my mind, beneficial. In part because:
    -Redpill was born of PUA. ‘Empiricism trumps conditioning’ wrt social dynamics is a surprisingly difficult alley to go down, but the pua’s did it and the result is a different way of looking at human behavior and interaction. The syncretism of pua and Redpill helps keep both from slipping into their respective dogmatisms.
    -PUA’s have had a generation of them growing up. Some of them have used the chance to think about larger issues. Sometimes speed is needed. Sometimes it is not. Often, in getting a girl to ‘hook’ to you nowadays, it is very much needed. Hence the frenetic pace of the RSD dudes. But Owen also has a video on Meditation.

    To each its own place.

  10. Chateau Heartiste went full retard, leading to a pua exodus here.

    Not really… more the moderation issues at CH, and only a handful of guys.

    I suspect TRM will look more like CH over the next 24 months, the degree to which based on Rollo’s editorial content.

    The red pill rabbit hole is very very deep…

  11. Game is merely the language of female seduction. That is it. A decoded verbal and physical language.

    The end purpose of “game” is totally different to each man and what they are seeking to accomplish. Some, like Hank, seek to break their duck… others to manage wrinkly old wives… some for sport, some for pleasure, some for understanding…

    “Game” is not an ethos… in that sense it will always fall short and be bankrupt. it is an enabler however.

  12. Back to the OP.

    One writer mentioned his post-menopausal wife leaving him. I have heard many other such stories.

    I wonder if estrogen therapy often prescribed for hot flashes is moving such women to the alpha side of the chart.

  13. Hmmm

    One writer mentioned his post-menopausal wife leaving him. I have heard many other such stories

    What were the men like?

  14. @Mitch – All the guys here have given you good advice and there’s not much I can add to that. But there’s one thing I’ll say (well, two really: if you’re so sure of your decision, why not ask her Sentient’s question? You don’t actually have to move to Russia – just ask seriously enough that she believes it and watch the reaction):

    I’m not married, but I have noticed a common thread to the writing style of all the older guys here who are successfully married – Blax and Sentient in particular, also HABD and Rollo but they don’t write so much about their marriages. It’s difficult to articulate because it is an attitude to the marriage that is reflected in their words, not something stated explicitly – but it is this kind of calm, “I’m in charge and nothing fazes me” matter of fact approach to the marriage and their wives, which does not at all mean they don’t love their wives and families and enjoy being with them. You’ll see it if you read the writing of these posters for a while.

    Your writing does NOT have it. The way you write reminds me more of someone who scored his first girlfriend who was reasonably attractive and liked him back and is like “Wow – this is cool”. That’s not meant as an insult – I fall into that attitude myself when I’m doing pickup stuff and basking in the IOIs. But it’s not where you want to be.

    @Sentient – my reason for leaving CH was a combination of (a) the moderation issues; (b) most of the posters I cared about also coming to TRM; and (c) CH’s evolution from a game/red pill/intersexual dynamics blog with some politics stuff to being a politics blog with some red pill stuff – I get my politics discussion elsewhere, I don’t need it on CH (especially when I find the race hate stuff and general negativity unpleasant). The reasons are connected of course – each of them reinforces the other..

    I still glance at CH once a week or so, especially to get an alternative perspective from the mainstream media on Trump and the election, but otherwise I don’t find much value in it.

  15. Gentlemen, I am starting to appreciate your posts and advice, though I still think there’s a lot of projection going on. There’s something about men telling other men how they should live their lives that I can’t help bristle at. But that’s ok, there’s some really good questions and perspectives, so thank you. I’m not here for validation about my own choices – I didn’t really expect it. I am here to learn from and support other men, and I’m also here because I’m excited that men are starting to wake up and respond en masse among themselves to, well, I’ll just call it feminism. I have been waiting 20 years for this.

    Rollo, I have indeed read your posts. Not all of them, but many of them and I’ve thought about them a lot. But your last response in which you assert I’m still clinging to Bill Pill notions that women can love us in the way that we love them has me thinking that you are not reading my responses. Which is fine, I’m sure you’re a busy man. I’m just not sure what the disconnect is, but it seems it’s there.

    @AR:

    Yes! I am very familiar with bpd women – been there, done that, definitely not doing it again.

    Re: the rest of the very excellent comments: I don’t feel like going any further into the details of my relationship because I don’t want to start getting defensive. But I will say this: I’m not an alpha, never have been and never will be. I do naturally demonstrate some alpha traits, and since I’ve become single 3 years ago I’ve started to consciously stop suppressing what does come natural to me, especially around women, and to good effect. I have certainly been impacted by Blue Pill conditioning, but I can’t say that I have ever been fucked over in a relationship, or ruled by my fear of losing a woman, or lost myself in a relationship. I have learned firsthand what the difference is between emotional love and dispassionate love, love as as an emotion vs love as a decision. Between infatuation, lust and enduring real love. I know how we idealize the other in the throes of a new passion, and we don’t see them clearly, as they really are. I have made a lot of mistakes. I’ve seen the red flags -often within the first 30 minutes or so – and chosen to ignore them. And I’ve always owned that – I don’t blame the woman for my mistake, my choice. She is who she is. I’ve also had good relationships with very excellent women. But generally it was very random in terms of who I picked.

    I am by nature a seeker, and therefore have always been open to new experiences, and I have had a lot of them, I have tended to be open to whatever came my way that I was interested in. But, now, in my ripening age I have gotten very clear about what I want in a woman: Someone I want to fuck (obviously), that I genuinely like being around when we’re not having sex, that I respect as a person, that shares the same core values as I do, that believes the same thing about marriage that I do, and that wants what i want, specifically a mate for life, in sickness and in health, etc. i’m not saying that doesn’t exist here, or that Russian/Ukrainian women are inherently better. No. But I did find that, for me, it was a more efficient means of finding what I was looking for. I’m sure there are plenty of gold-diggers and scammers operating in that part of the world and on these dating sites. But what I found were mostly genuine women looking for a husband to love and take care of. I know that still sounds naive to most of you. Maybe I just subconsciously passed over most of the sketchy ones. I don’t know. You’ll just have to take my word for it when I say I am an excellent judge of character. I don’t know why that is, but I really am. I am not 100% sure that I’m going to marry this woman, but I am 99.99% sure that she is not going to take me for a ride.

  16. @sentient

    I see the point in your question, but it wouldn’t make much sense to test her with it. She lives in Ukraine, which is a mess right now, and so why the fuck would I relocate there? Or even Russia. I don’t mind testing her, and have done so, but it has to be a test that is plausible. Might be plausible for some guys, depending on what they do, but not for me, I’m a utility regulator and would have no cause to relocate there.

    But, assuming it were a plausible scenario, my guess is she might be surprised, because it would not be what she was expecting, and she’d likely throw a fit, and it would be a ferocious fit, mainly because I was unilaterally asserting myself that way, but if I held my ground, I’m pretty sure she’d come around. If it seemed plausible and made sense for me to do something like that. She has a grown son that she loves and worries about, and elderly parents that she’s a bit reluctant to leave, so while she’s definitely looking to secure her future, relocating to the US is somewhat of a mixed bag for her.

    So no, I have not asserted complete control of the frame. And I’m not convinced I need to. But I have definitely drawn my lines. We have had a number of interactions where she has seriously tested me and threatened to break off with me, and I have held my ground, no problem. I’ve called her out on her trying to manipulate me, and have clearly let her know what I won’t tolerate. I’m not going to dominate her, because I don’t want to, and she really doesn’t want that – but she does want to know that I will stand up to her and lay down the law when I need to. That I won’t argue with her or take her bait. That I can weather her storms and not become unmoored by them. Yes, she will try to wear the pants in the relationship, but she really doesn’t want to. I guess I’ve decided I specialize in difficult women. My first reaction on seeing her photos was “oh, this one looks like trouble.” And I can’t resist trouble. But I think in a good way. She’s challenging and stimulating, and I dig that in a woman.

  17. @ Mitch

    So in ONE week, ” we have had a number of interactions where she has seriously tested me, and threaten to break up with me, but I’ve held my ground, no problem.”

    And there’s the problem, YOU are a Drama queen!

    It’s You that’s displaying all the red flags here and that’s why she’s giving you such a hard time from the get go.

    Fix your mindset or suffer the consequences.

  18. “I guess I’ve decided I specialize in difficult women”.

    Dude, I think you’ll wind up getting all the difficulty you want…

    It’s very clear that you really don’t get the red pill. Perhaps after you get burned, you’ll revisit Rollo’s essays and actually get something from them.

  19. @Hmm
    “One writer mentioned his post-menopausal wife leaving him. I have heard many other such stories.
    I wonder if estrogen therapy often prescribed for hot flashes is moving such women to the alpha side of the chart.”

    I left my PM spouse and I can’t say her estrogen therapy was a part of the problem. She did seem to go off the rails a bit more during those years but the decline of attraction towards me started way before that

    @Sentinient
    “What were the men like?”

    This – if your are beta then the PM stage will only make things worse.

  20. “There’s something about men telling other men how they should live their lives that I can’t help bristle at.”

    And yet the first words out of your fingers were:

    “I’d like to encourage men . . .”

    And then got defensive when men bristled at it.

    “I’m not here for validation about my own choices . . .”

    There are many men who come here obviously seeking validation. Rest assured you did not come across that way at all. You came across as someone who was here to promote an agency.

    And was clueless about his audience.

    “I guess I’ve decided I specialize in difficult women. My first reaction on seeing her photos was “oh, this one looks like trouble.” And I can’t resist trouble.”

    I suppose if you keep digging long enough you eventually start going up instead of down, although there is the matter of surviving the molten core.

  21. Yes, she will try to wear the pants in the relationship, but she really doesn’t want to. I guess I’ve decided I specialize in difficult women. My first reaction on seeing her photos was “oh, this one looks like trouble.” And I can’t resist trouble. But I think in a good way. She’s challenging and stimulating, and I dig that in a woman.

    Good luck.

    If you seriously think that a woman in Ukraine worth a damn is interested in a utility regulator in the US for any reason other than your utility, you’re well beyond gone. But, go ahead, man. We’ll be here on the back end. We won’t judge. Well, maybe we will, but you’ll be on the back end of it then anyway.

  22. “We won’t judge.”

    When someone says, “Don’t judge me,” they’re trying to get away with something.

  23. “When someone says, “Don’t judge me,” they’re trying to get away with something.”

    That’s a quotable quote!

  24. @ novaseeker and Mitch

    Men objectify women as sex objects and value their youth and beauty.

    Women objectify Beta men as utilities and Alpha men as sex objects.

    That’s we always say they have a dual sexual strategy.

    Women scream about being objectified as sex objects but only when it’s coming from betas as its not wanted, they are more than happy to be viewed as such by Alphas.

    It’s pure projection on their part as they have no problem objectifying men who are not “sexual beings” (betas) as utilities and Alpha men as sex objects so they screaming about being objectified is a misdirection tactic as they are fully aware that they do the same.

    No prizes for guessing wich category mr “utility regulator” falls into for the almost menopausal post wall Ukrainian war baby unicorn.

  25. @kfg

    Kind of off topic.

    Do you think it is possible to wake up other people? Or does everyone have to do it in their own way?

  26. @Andy:

    There’s an old Zen saying (who woulda thunk it?) – when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. Or, in the modern parlance – the light bulb has to want to change.

    The underlying message is that the teacher was right there all along, but the student couldn’t see him.

    There are people who are close enough that a good shove can push them over the edge, and some of them find their way here. They aren’t really ready, but they’re sort of ready to be ready.

    For those who aren’t even ready to be ready the best you can do is plant little seeds that might germinate later when the environmental conditions are right, like bristlecone pine seeds that only germinate after a forest fire.

  27. Mitch,

    If you haven’t asserted control of the frame and are unwilling to test her… you do not have hand.

    Why not? Well that seems to be some sort of white knighting complex, the “missionary marriage”… Usually ends poorly.

    You should test her all the same… let’s make a bet. Just tell her you are growing dissected with the US and would be happier staying in Ukraine, and sell it as she can stay close to her family as a result.

    and then see if she does one of three things…

    1) Breaks off with you immediately.
    2) Throws the serious fit you expect and raises an ultimatum – the West or bust.
    3) Is disappointed but says she will support your decision.

    1 = you are a delta/beta
    2 = beta
    3 = alpha

    which result will make you happy? Which gives you the best chance of long term success…?

    why wouldn’t you at least raise it. in a very measured and plausible way?

    The only reason is you know the answer and you know she would not choose you.

    Fear. Do not get married if you have fear.

    This, for the YSG’s playing along at home is the example of being reckless, not brave…

    https://www.casino.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/deer-hunter.jpg

    Funny that a reckless and not brave game is called Russian Roulette?

  28. While I generally agree with you Rollo, I think we have a long, long way to go before something like Vasalgel will even begin to allow men to exploit a more natural mating structure.

    The rapidity of feminine imperative social change is truly astounding, its still on its ascendancy, and its now being pushed globally. First the anecdotal:

    I travel a lot for business to Washington DC – the global epicenter of the FI. Last night I sat at a bar and had a very revealing conversation with 3 twenty-something women, one of whom was an attractive State Department foreign service officer, one a technical writer, and the third a State Department consultant.

    The “Eat Pray Love” dynamic among all three was off the charts. They were all extremely well traveled, career-oriented, and had no interest in getting married or even having children. We even had a sidebar conversation about one of their potential beta boyfriends — a guy who incidentally and ironically loved cats (a true catch for these soon-to-be cat ladies). I asked them about their dating lives, relationship goals, etc. and they asked me about my views. I told them frankly that they were a few very short years away from hitting the wall and that at some point they would have to come to terms with a different imperative — a genetic imperative for children. You can imagine their howls of protest. One remarked that if she wants children, she’ll have no problem corralling a “partner” (preferably but not even necessarily heterosexual, certainly temporary, and almost assuredly a beta provider) for the purpose of breeding.

    In other words, the FI is so strong now that these career-oriented young women can’t even conceive of a lifelong relationship or starting, nurturing or raising a family. The very concept doesn’t even exist in their internal circuitry. But riding the cock-carousel? Different story… They all volunteered in detail (unprompted by me by the way), their abundant sex lives, the intensity of their orgasms, and the men they shack up with on their international travels. Parenthetically, it would have been extremely easy for me to pull any of the three, but I have to say, I was actually repulsed and had no interest.

    Their views on family, relationships with the opposite sex, and raising children were even MORE extreme than Rollo’s post a few weeks ago about an open hypergamy future… It’s not the future, it’s already here and its far worse than even Rollo could imagine. In that post, Rollo highlighted the friend of a female blogger who actually hoped that her daughter would be a single mother (breeding with a beta male for the purpose of jointly raising a child), but later marrying an alpha male who excites her. No, these women aren’t interested in marrying… ever… They sincerely believe (and they’re probably right) that they can find a temporary sperm donor who incidentally doesn’t even have to be heterosexual to impregnate them IF they decide they want children at some point in the future. Imagine that… The “beta providers” they would consider to help conceive and raise their children can now be SO beta, that they don’t even have to be heterosexual.

    Their views on relationships and children were so clinical, so antiseptic, so transactional, so lacking in meaning, and so devoid of any lifelong commitment to a family, a future husband, or a real loving relationship with a man that I was absolutely floored.

    Now, why might this be? Remember, two of these gals worked for the State Department. Well, consider that under Hillary Clinton, our foreign policy establishment massively ramped up its global diplomacy with regard to women’s issues. In fact, there’s now an entire division at State called “Advancing the Status of Women and Girls”. It’s programs include “Promoting Women’s Political Participation and Leadership”, “Fully Integrating Women in Peace and Security Building”, “Accelerating Women’s Economic Participation”, and my favorite… “Integrating the Advancement of Women and Girls into U.S. Foreign Policy”.

    This is now a global propaganda push and the resources of every developed country, the United Nations, every major foundation (Soros, Ford, etc.), the media, and corporate America are all pushing in the same direction… The resources being devoted to the feminine imperative are simply astounding. We’re talking billions of dollars to push full open hypergamy for ALL women… globally.

    Recall that just 5 days ago, Hillary Clinton was busted for planting a young girl child actor in the audience of her town hall who was supposedly “chosen at random” to ask the following:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-05/clinton-caught-using-child-actor-ask-planted-question-pennsylvania-townhall

    “Hi Madam Secretary. I’m Brennan and I’m 15 years old. At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age. I see with my own eyes the damage Donald Trump does when he talks about women and how they look. As the first female president how would you undo some of that damage and help girls understand that they’re so much more than just what they look like?”

    Recall as well the onslaught of derision leveled at Trump for what was essentially locker room banter among the guys and consider this: The three women I talked with at the bar were engaging in exactly the same conversation — vulgar discussion of their sexual conquests and exploits — and they were doing it right in the open with me present.

    This is what we’re up against. The huge increase in male suicide in developed countries, the “grass-eater” phenomenon in Japan, Sheryl Sandberg sharing Facebook data on “gender and leadership by women” with Clinton’s campaign, the entire foreign policy establishment recalibrating towards “soft” issues like “gender rights”. Open hypergamy is here to stay for a long while I’m afraid and its being pushed relentlessly and unceasingly by elite decision makers at the top.

    The question is why? I believe it’s because of a fatally mistaken belief that a matriarchal society would be more peaceful and harmonious than a patriarchy. If women ran things the theory goes, we’d have less war, less conflict, less violence… Society would be “softer”, more nurturing if men’s violent natures could be tempered. In point of fact, open hypergamy will result in exactly the opposite: In a society where apex-Alphas get the lions share of strange while run-of-the mill betas end up with nothing, those beta males will be prone to extreme flashes of ultra-violence a la Dylan Roof.

    Traditional patriarchy in a healthy society in which the male “provider” role is honored and appreciated tempers our more violent instincts. Regular access to pussy makes us relatively content and far more productive.

    We’re in for some very rough sledding indeed… And the open hypergamy problem won’t resolve itself with Vasalgel. It’s not going to change I’m afraid until we’re confronted with the prospect of a second “Dark Ages”… Societal and cultural collapse on an unprecedented scale. Only then, will women willingly forsake their hypergamous freedom for patriarchal security.

  29. @kfg:

    “There’s something about men telling other men how they should live their lives that I can’t help bristle at.”

    And yet the first words out of your fingers were:

    “I’d like to encourage men . . .”</i.

    Telling other people what's best for them vs encouraging by offering your own experience….you don't see a difference? I don't even do that to people I know really well, much less people I don't know at all.

    Anyway guys, I get your point. I don't know what's going to happen. Right now, I'm about 90% sure that I will propose in Italy, and 80% sure that I will actually marry her. There's still plenty of wiggle room in there. I might well do something to fuck it up, or decide it isn't right – I don't know. And you might as well keep rolling your eyes: if I do marry, it will be without a pre-nup.
    And really, don't stop laughing now: I haven't actually had sex with her. I spent a week in a 2-br apartment with her, and we did not have sex. (but yes, there's a lot of chemistry between us) It's been 30 years since I've been in a relationship like that.

    A lot of you really are cynical, and narrow in outlook. I can understand that. Maybe that's what the times call for, though. What our culture has led us to.

    Look, neither my dad nor either of my grandfathers were alphas, my folks married 51 years now, my mom's parents made it 70 years before he died, and dad's folks died within 6 weeks of each other at the age of 55. These men loved their wives and served them sacrificially. Is that FI? I don't know. Maybe. All of them career Air Force officers. My mom's dad was a true badass, and yet the most humble and self-effacing man I've ever met. If I told you about his career in the AF I'm sure you'd think I was lying. (A couple of highlights: combat pilot in WWII, korea and vietnam. Shot down over Japan, POW for last 3 months of WWII. During cuban missile crisis, in the bunker in Ramstein, as the nuclear strike officer for the European theatre, took a call from Jack Kennedy, who asked him "are you boys ready?" Yessir, they were.) I had the great honor to accompany him to the 65th anniversary of Pearl Harbor bombing in Honolulu, and you cannot imagine how proud I was watching several Air Force colonels clustering around him, trying to pry his stories out of him, eyes wide as schoolboys. I have two younger brothers and no sisters. I don't think my dad ever even raised his voice to us (very unlike my mom, tho she was ok). For the most part the only discipline he needed to do was to look at us like he was disappointed, and then ignore us for awhile. That was all it took, because we loved and respected him that much. I do remember him once spanking my bare ass with a belt, but it was so gentle I barely felt it, all I could feel was how much he hated doing that. It was probably for sassing my mother, and I felt so bad about it after that I never did that again. Maybe I am nostalgically painting an idealized picture, but this stuff is true, and the fact is, I was raised by a real man, who was also raised by a real man. My mother was raised by a real man. My brother's 3 sons are being raised by a real man. None of us are/were alphas, and none of us try to be. But none of us ever submit to alpha's, either, except where professional protocol requires. But we may defer to alpha's, as we defer to women, to people in wheelchairs, even to children sometimes. We will not challenge the alpha, but if he starts to expect our deference because he is alpha, then he will not get our deference, but our disregard. I realize that my experience growing up has become vanishingly rare, even for my own generation. Maybe it was always rare, I don't know. But it has occurred to me on more than one occasion that there are so many men having problems with women because so many are raised without the direct daily influence of a mature and stable father. A younger guy in an earlier comment alluded to that, saying he needed the dogmatism and discipline of RP because he wasn't taught how to be a man growing up. I totally get that. I see it in the two boys that live next door, that constantly try to engage me whenever I'm outside.

  30. “If women ran things the theory goes, we’d have less war, less conflict, less violence… Society would be “softer”, more nurturing if men’s violent natures could be tempered.”

    That is what the men who drafted the plan in the wake of WWI believed.

    That is also what the women who led them to that belief professed to believe.

  31. @Andy

    Remember that Hunter S. Thompson letter you posted back here?:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/06/the-red-pill-balance/comment-page-6/#comment-135476

    small exerpt:

    “But don’t misunderstand me. I don’t mean that we can’t BE firemen, bankers, or doctors — but but we must make the goal conform to the individual, rather than make the individual conform to the goal. In every man, heredity and environment have combined to produce a creature of certain abilities and desires — including a deeply ingrained need to function in such a way that his life will be MEANINGFUL. A man has to BE something; he has to matter.

    As I see it then, the formula runs something like this: A man must choose a path which will let his ABILITIES function at a maximum efficiency toward the gratification of his DESIRES. In doing this, he is fulfilling a need (giving himself identity by functioning in a set pattern toward a set goal), he avoids frustrating his potential (choosing a path which puts no limit on his self-development), and he avoids the terror of seeing his goal wilt or lose its charm as he draws closer to it (rather than bending himself to meet the demands of that which he seeks, he has bent his goal to conform his own abilities and desires).

    In short, he has not dedicated his life to reaching a pre-defined goal, but he has rather chosen a way of life he KNOWS he will enjoy. The goal is absolutely secondary: it is the functioning toward the goal which is important. And it seems almost ridiculous to say that a man MUST function in a pattern of his own choosing; for to let another man define your goals is to give up one of the most meaningful aspects of life — the definitive act of will which makes a man an individual.

    Let’s assume that you have a choice of eight paths to follow (all pre-defined paths, of course). And let’s assume that you can’t see any real-purpose in any of the eight. THEN — and here is the essence of all I’ve said — you MUST FIND A NINTH PATH.

    Naturally, it isn’t as easy as it sounds. You’ve lived a relatively narrow life, a vertical rather than horizontal existence. So it isn’t any too difficult to understand why you seem to feel the way you do. But a man who procrastinate in his CHOOSING will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.

    So if you now number yourself among the disenchanted, then you have no choice but to accept things as they are, or to seriously seek something else. But beware of looking for goals: look for a way of life. Decide how you want to live and then see what you can do to make a living inside that way of life.”

  32. @Mitch:

    Bear in mind that Sentient is one of the Old Married Guys here who has been advocating “toughen up, Buttercup,” and at least nominally supporting the idea of marriage; for those who can hack it.

    If he is rolling his eyes at you, you might be wise to pay attention.

    @SJF:

    I have posted my revised version of Frost’s poem here before:

    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
    I blazed a new trail,
    And that has made all the difference.

  33. @ Mitch

    I still cosign men doing what they want, but with more details filled in about your plans, I’m getting concerned.

    OK, if you don’t want to test her, or try to get her more strenuously, you should at least slow way down or apply the brakes completely. You are moving at a breakneck pace.

    I can understand what you are saying concerning what you want and expect from her in a relationship or marriage, but rest assured that it will not succeed in her frame… well, it will succeed for her.

    You must establish a strong frame that she comes into.

    You must establish dominance.

    Dominance is never a negative, and it is expected for the most part ( never ask her if this is true ).

    Remember, love for men is only remotely possible in your frame and under your control and guidance. Burden.

    Now for the bad news IMO.

    You should always have sex with a woman you are considering for any kind of off or marriage. ALWAYS. it’s not disrespectful to do so, but even at a basic level, she must know you are a sexual man. I can’t share am2 bedroom apartment with a woman not related to me, as a single man, without the woman getting soundly banged. Impossible.

    So now that I know the score, I’d suggest waiting.

    Ask yourself what’s the harm? Establish your strong frame and do not waver. Meet her in Italy for a sex fueled rendezvous. See how she reacts to this.

    Never, ever marry a woman in her frame. This is unworkable for any length of time. Trust me, she will not think much of you,mand she will never tell you so until she’s on her way out.

    Hell, I won’t do anything in a woman’s frame married or not.

    What I would suggest ( not demand) that you do is take another 12 months to get to know if she is accepting of your frame and is sexually desirous of you. Please, do not poo-poo this.

    There is nothing to ever gain by rushing. In this instance, speed kills.

    As a husband I guarantee you that I walk my talk. I love my wife, but make no mistake about it, she is in my world. She volunteered for it. You want the best experience right?

    Well, the burden will fall on you.

  34. Mitch

    One last thought for you… it is very moving what you wrote about your father and your family.

    What would your father say to you about your current plan, if he were given all the information?

  35. 1) Move to Ukraine. Prospectively permanently (as far as she knows)
    2) Learn Russian. You’ll either be fucked over by everyone or constantly fighting being ripped off if you don’t.
    3) Meet other Ukrainian women. Build some kind of social proof in the community.
    4) Notice how Ukrainian guys treat their women. They have a well-deserved reputation as pudgy drunks, but their emotional strength is *way* ahead of average American betas. You’ll have to become at least somewhat like that towards this woman (anything else will not seem ‘real’ to her, not to mention respectable in her eyes).

    If you do not do all four of these things, I see a slow motion car crash coming. Best to you.

  36. One final point from me Mitch: nobody knows anything *for sure*. All that the guys here are telling you is the odds and sharing their (well, our, but I’m not married) experiences.

    Is it POSSIBLE that this plan you have will work out well? Sure, it’s possible. But the odds are against it, and the more information you reveal, the the worse (we think) the odds are.

    Not only that, even if you are 100% sure you want THIS woman, you basically have no downside to either (a) waiting a year and having sex with her before proposing; or (b) Running the Ukraine hypothetical on her in a plausible way as a test. Or both.

    Why would you not do it? The only reason I can think of is the one Sentient pointed out.

    Good luck dude – the decision as always is yours.

  37. Mitch,

    Now that I’ve stopped laughing, I’ll say this as gently as I can:

    ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?

    Either that or please tell us that you’re just trolling. If not, good god man, stop and think…

    Jeremy: fascinating and chilling front line report.

  38. @ Mitch

    To quote Rollo ” unplugging chumps from the matrix is dirty work, it’s like performing triage, save the ones you can and read the last rites to the dying”.

    Also from the film itself ” we have a rule we never set a mind free after a certain age, it’s dangerous, they have trouble letting go”.

    Mitch I think Rollo should also have linked you to his essay “average frustrated chump”. But he probably didn’t want offend you before you read his other links.

    I can’t believe how badly you have let your frame slip in this case, you need to fuck the shit out of her in Italy as a pre requisite for ANY further contact with this woman.

    If you don’t I can garantee she will be laughing behind her back with her girlfriends and or alpha fuck buddies about what a chump you are.

    This shit us getting so bad I’m starting to think you’re a troll.

  39. What Mitch said of his father and family reminded me of this:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/06/the-red-pill-balance/

    The Red Pill Balance

    Red Pill awareness is both a blessing and a curse. The trick is balancing your Red Pill expectations with your previous Blue Pill idealism. It’s not a sin for you to want for an idealistic reality – that’s what sets us apart from women’s opportunism. You do yourself no favors in killing you idealistic, creative sense of wonderment of what could be. The trick is acknowledging that aspect of your male self.

    KFG had a comment to this point:

    If men did not hold heroism as a higher ideal, we wouldn’t be here.
    If women did not hold survival as a higher ideal, we wouldn’t be here.

    This was precisely the dynamic I was referring to when I wrote Idealism.

    Men’s idealism and idealistic concepts of love are the natural counterbalance to women’s pragmatic, Hypergamously rooted opportunism and opportunistic concepts of love and vice versa. Those differing concepts can be applied very unjustly and very cruelly, or very judiciously and honorably, but they are the reality of our existence.

    Red Pill awareness isn’t just about understanding women’s innate natures and behaviors, it’s also understanding your own male nature and learning how it fits in to that new awareness and living in a new paradigm. Is something like justice valuable for its own sake? I’d say so, but that concept of justice must be tempered (or enforced) in a Red Pill understanding of what to expect from women and men. Red Pill awareness doesn’t mean we should abandon our idealism or higher order aspirations, and it certainly doesn’t mean we should just accept our lot in women’s social frame because of it. It does mean we need to balance that idealism in as pragmatic a way with the realities of what the Red Pill shows us.

  40. @Culum
    “I’m not married, but I have noticed a common thread to the writing style of all the older guys here who are successfully married – Blax and Sentient in particular, also HABD and Rollo but they don’t write so much about their marriages. It’s difficult to articulate because it is an attitude to the marriage that is reflected in their words, not something stated explicitly – but it is this kind of calm, “I’m in charge and nothing fazes me” matter of fact approach to the marriage and their wives, which does not at all mean they don’t love their wives and families and enjoy being with them. You’ll see it if you read the writing of these posters for a while.”

    That “difficult to articulate” thing you see in OMGs is abundance.

    It’s having lived on the planet for 50-ish years, tackling what the universe threw at us and surviving using nothing but our ingenuity and often shear luck, without understanding that (or why) it’s much harder than it should be.

    Then that one paradigm smashing event 2×4’s right between the eyes, you become receptive to the simple wisdom of the RP because there’s nothing left to grasp onto, and the newfound clarity is mind boggling.

    All life experiences become merely learning opportunities to fail better and fear no longer has an irrational grip. There is a calm understanding of having the necessary tools to navigate whatever ‘Murphy’ throws at you, the mastery of navigating risk, and the grace to accept that a ‘Wife gone Feral’ is just one of an infinite number of scenarios where you can potentially lose everything.

    Abundance is the ultimate letting go, the greatest being fear. It’s also the placing of faith on the ability to thrive squarely on the shoulders it belongs… your own.

  41. Blax: ” I can’t share a 2 bedroom apartment with a woman not related to me, as a single man, without the woman getting soundly banged. Impossible.”

    If a girl gets off her ass and drives over to my place to spend some time with me, it would be incredibly rude of me to not try and bang her.

    I can’t imagine how a woman feels about a man who flies halfway across the world, spends a week with her, and doesn’t try and bang her.

  42. I had moved Solomon II to the back of the memory stack until he came up again in this thread. As it is apropos, I will SJF an excerpt from his post My Will be Done:

    “I am a man, and as a man, I am the King and ruler of my domain. Anywhere and everywhere
    I step foot is my territory. The air I breathe is mine, and those who share it do so because I allow it. I control my destiny, rule by god-givenauthority, and am responsible for the
    emotional, spiritual, and physical wellbeing of my Kingdom.

    Any time a woman upsets my Kingdom, it is my fault because she cannot do so unless I give
    consent. She is in my castle by invitation only, and is therefore a guest who should be
    gracious and respectful to her host.

    Unless she proves herself worthy, she will never be allowed to become a citizen of my
    country because she is an outsider and her loyaltie s lie elsewhere. Any and all transgression
    of the law will be viewed as an act of terrorism against my Kingdom and will result in public humiliation followed by swift punishment.

    I alone am responsible for the prosperity of my Kingdom and its populace. I will answer to
    myself for the success or failure of my leadership. I owe it to myself and to my people to
    protect the Kingdom from outside forces that would seek to weaken its foundation for
    personal gain, therefore I will not allow foreigner s to influence or change my culture.

    I will build walls around my castle and ignore shaming language about being guarded. I will
    amass a mighty army and ignore shaming language about being defensive. I will not be
    swayed by a woman’s manipulation tactics and ignore shaming language about being jaded.

    Every lie I tell and every truth I put forth will have purpose. Every battle I fight, I will fight
    to win. I will rule based on principle and never emotion, thus providing a sense of normalcy
    and stability for those who rely on my judgment. I will be the man I would want my son to
    be, and only commit to a woman whom I would want my daughter to be. I will lead by
    example, be kind to the simple, and harshly judge those I deem fools.

    I am the King of my domain. My will be done.”

    You can find the full text in the archive here:

    http://www.returnofkings.com/misc/The-Solomon-Group.pdf

  43. Mitch —

    The thing is, you can’t get the past back.

    You can’t recreate it in your own life by trying to import it from Ukraine. It doesn’t work. The world of your parents and grandparents no longer exists. The relationship between the sexes is fundamentally different now due to a completely different world of social rules and mores relating to sex, relationships, men and women. You can’t really recreate in your own life what you saw in the lives of your parents and grandparents, because that time is now no longer with us, and our current times are radically different from that time. That presents both challenges and opportunities, but trying to recreate it by importing a woman into the US is not going to bring those times into your life. Things don’t work that way.

    You haven’t even had sex with her, and even though you’re almost 50, which means unless you’re a total fail at life you must have some assets by now, you’re set against a pre-nup.

    Either you’re trolling (and, guys, I’m not convinced this isn’t an elaborate troll at this point), or just flat out stupid. I’m pretty much the same age as you. I also have a woman in my life, and I love her. But hell no I am not going to marry her without a prenup, and hell no I don’t entertain any illusions at all about unicornism, foreign women, recreating the past and so on. In 2016 it’s all about actively managing hypergamy in order to have a good relationship, and those of us here who are older guys are all doing that in different ways. We aren’t against having relationships with women, Mitch, but what you are doing is in so many ways a classic beta bitch “please fuck me” setup it’s beyond belief. Do not be stupid. You do not have to be stupid in order to love or be loved. Be smart, not stupid.

  44. “Abundance is the ultimate letting go, the greatest being fear. It’s also the placing of faith on the ability to thrive squarely on the shoulders it belongs… your own.”

    Good!

  45. Nice quotes @SJF. Also, just saw the pic of you raising the black flag over your property. That’s badass!

  46. Gentlemen,

    Blax: ” I can’t share a 2 bedroom apartment with a woman not related to me, as a single man, without the woman getting soundly banged. Impossible.”

    Forge: “If a girl gets off her ass and drives over to my place to spend some time with me, it would be incredibly rude of me to not try and bang her.”

    I see you that sentiment, but raise you one Lena Dunham…

    http://cdnph.upi.com/sv/para/ss/i/4871443629671/2015/5/1/14436309059477/Lena-Dunham-quits-Twitter-over-verbal-abuse.jpg

    any players?

  47. any players?

    All you do is get her to dial in one of her many female admirers and have a three way where you are having sex with the admirer, while the admirer is taking care of Dunham. Problem solved.

  48. @ Sentient

    Lol, man that’s fucked up right there.

    The thing is not to allow Dunham into your space in the first place. That’s how you avoid the 3 am throat fucking she’d get. In the dark. As fast as humanly possible.

    Lol….. soooooo fucked up.

  49. KFG – man that Solomon II quote really sums it all up right there… everyone read it, and we can all go home…

  50. @kfg

    Love it. It’s like an explication of the frame depicted in the Kalevala I quoted recently:

    I was born as all the world here was born
    As tones, words and stories of the primeval song
    I need no bow, I need no sword
    My kingship’s known to gods
    Let their song go on….

    I can’t seem to remember the term for it right now, but it was a common belief in ancient times that the prosperity and fate of a kingdom was strongly tied to the personal health, conduct, and actions of the king. The king and the kingdom were one; he helped make the world what it was. As such, he could be held personally accountable in case of, say, famine or natural disaster. Tolkien actually depicted this subtly in his works, a fact which accounts for the rarely-replicated flavor of his fiction, and which is also a measure of the man’s understanding.

    It is contingent on every man to build the world. How large his world becomes is up to him and happenstance. How much he bases that world on preset templates is a measure of his timidity and creativity. But no man is absolved from this task. Those who avoid it,

    well,

    http://factorintalent.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cubicle-farm.jpg

  51. Albert Camus is doing it for me lately. All these guys seem to die young. lol.

    “To know oneself, one should assert oneself. Psychology is action, not thinking about oneself. We continue to shape our personality all our life. If we knew ourselves perfectly, we should die.”

  52. Alright, since we’re light on FR’s here’s some vignettes.

    1. So FWB girl (the one who had a BF but kept seeing me) was a bit quiet for a while. Figured I’d give her some space to get bored figure things out. Then someone told me she had moved to [faraway state] bc that’s where her bf was.

    Never heard a word about that from her lol, she knew with certainty that I’d tease the shit out of her for that. Already gave her an earful for reviving a relationship with a dude she’d broken up with before. AND he’s in the military, having long periods of absence, and she wants to keep doing nonprofit work abroad, meaning they’ll have long periods apart which is precisely why they broke up in the first place. Holy shit, people are silly when it comes to their relationships lol.

    We drop the occasional text still so she’s in contact, still flirts with me, but has never mentioned the little fact that she now lives 1,000 miles away.

    So for the lulz I just text her ‘hey I’m going to [festival], you should come we could grab a bite after.’ No response till the next day then she text me back saying she’s in [vacation spot] on holiday and asks me how things went. Heh, still covering up. It’s a bit mean but I’m getting a good chuckle from this.

    It is too bad though, she was fun and this means it’ll be a while before she comes back around and if she stays there it might never be a regular thing again. She has family here so she’ll prolly visit from time to time.

    2. Deleted this one due to doxxing potential. Meh. Y’all would get a kick out of it though :p

    3. Was hanging out with a South American girl recently at a party. I was thinking ‘Dang @Hank would dig her’ lol. Her brother was with her so even though I had a good bubble forming, good attraction running, he didn’t have anyone else to talk to so I couldn’t get good isolation.

    After a while an acquaintance of mine who knew her and was clearly after her sat down next to her and so it became a bit of an AMOG battle. I played along for the practice, logistics were terrible (siblings were staying with me for the weekend) so I wasn’t gonna pull anyways.

    What I noticed was basically the face of YaReally staring at me as I gamed. Big surprise :p

    She was drawn to the shiniest object of the moment. One of those objects was her phone; she’d get drawn into it with every (frequent) ping. Even though a hot dude was paying attention to her; I’d have to do/say something interesting or funny to break her out of it again every time. And once the other dude started gaming her as well, she’d be totally into him when he dropped some DHV, then right back to me if I did something interesting, all in the span of a few seconds. Hypergamy doesn’t care, and it’s always on. That’s why I’ll get girls grinding against me on the dance floor as soon as BF’s back is turned while she still holds his hand to assuage suspicion.

    I’m a good-looking guy, and the other dude is decidedly not, but his DHV’s worked just as well as mine. HOWEVER, good looks are a passive DHV, so when no-one was saying/doing anything I’d catch her staring at me. It’s a good thing to have ’cause it’s always on and takes no effort.

    Basically, looks make a difference but only in the same way that other DHV’s do. There’s no special mechanic to it that you can’t get other ways.

    4. Girl in social circle just got engaged. There’s been low-key attraction between us for a while but never anything crazy but suddenly HOLY SHIT she wants me. I’ve given her a few openings but she’s not pulling the trigger, she’s conflicted for obvious reasons.

    It’s fascinating. Like, the prospect of getting ‘locked down’ is freaking her out and so she’s lashing out against the binds. I’ll have to see how this goes down and feel things out carefully, I’m not gonna bang her if she’d regret it afterwards. All in good fun or not at all lol.

  53. Forge

    I think you have it a little muddled…

    “It’s a good thing to have [looks] ’cause it’s always on and takes no effort.

    “Basically, looks make a difference but only in the same way that other DHV’s do”

    Except that looks take no effort and other displays or demonstrations of high value tend to require some effort.

    Now you still need to do something with it, most of the time… start pouncing in that window you create passively… else it will transform into a DLV… when you get that look that spark, start to isolate, even with body positioning, rotation etc. then you can fan the flame.

  54. All this reminds me:

    @kfg

    the universe dropped a beat-up old fiddle on my lap and I’m busy making terrible noises with it. Just kinda going at it solo, though I watched a few short youtube intros at @SJB’s suggestion. If the sounds get better I might branch into folk, though my influences might be a bit different from yours….

    https://youtu.be/Sej3V-bqSqc

    The thing fuckin hurts the collarbone, but I refuse to work with one of those ridiculous bits of scaffolding people rig themselves up with. It’s like putting training wheels on a Kelson.

  55. @forge

    lololol garmarna

    yeah no FRs here since I’ve had stuff come up when I usually go out. moving tho soon so not that big a deal. few more weeks till relocate to new city.

    yeah on looks things — see my FRs lol. Even if you have attraction, doesn’t mean shit if you can’t work with it.

    Honestly, I think pure logistics are more important than most anything else. A guy with okay looks and okay subcoms who just sticks with a chick all night is gonna get more girls than a guy with great looks and great subcoms who doesn’t stick in set very long.

    Now you need looks (or *a* look — not that you are handsome necessarily but that you have a rockstar/outdoorsman/world traveler/etc vibe) plus emotional rollercoaster plus social proof plus cutting threads etc.etc. to completely overwhelm her — THATs what it is gonna take to give you the equivalent of just having good looks a few decades ago.

  56. @Sentient

    I agree, that’s good clarification. My point is that looks are a kind of DHV, not a necessary precondition for attraction.

    But each kind of DHV has its own mechanics. Looks are passive/always on but since they require no action they can make things stagnant if you don’t bustamove.

    Similarly, a story DHV has pros (actively keeps the set going, sets up topics for comfort later) but also cons (takes time, hard to do in a loud place). Eye-contact DHV has pros (quick, effective) and cons (doesn’t move things forward or keep a set together, requires correct spacing). And so on.

  57. @Hank

    Ya, there’s some Tyler vid about this dynamic where as a PUA you’ll go back and forth on what you think is ‘the most important’ aspect of game.

    Once generating some degree of attraction gets easy for you, it’s like ‘holy shit all you need is good logistics and the bang happens.’ Then you’ll have times where your logistics are good but your subcomms are off and you switch to ‘holy shit all I need to do is have good subcomms and I’d have these in the bag.’

    But it’s true that this is a huge things most non-pua’s don’t really get – girls will have sex with a lot more guys than they expect if the logistics are good and they’re confident they won’t get judged for it.

    Scray once said something like ‘Imagine if people realized that girls will bang pretty much any guy if they get the chance. Society isn’t ready for that.’

    Also gets back to something kfg said when we were discussing ‘My Secret Garden’ and girls having sex with literal dogs. “Why do they do it? Because it’s safe.

    A dog can’t talk. It can’t even give her an STD.

  58. Re: MitchTheBitch – And he hasn’t even fucked her, lol, what a fucking sap. He deserves everything he gets, what an arrogant ponce.

    Reading his comment it’s clear that he doesn’t only think his Urkranian post-wall whore (and she is a whore cuz she’s for sale) is a unicorn, he also thinks he’s a unicorn. He thinks they are going to make a unicorn relationship and unicorn home and live a unicorn life where female mating strategies and male dominance and his innate betahood won’t be an issue.

    Now that we know about the lack of sex – which turns the betahood here up to 11 – i’m giving 10:1 odds that if he does marry her, it lasts no longer than the time it takes for her to have legal residence in the U.S after divorcing him.

    And hey, it’s not like you can’t survive shooting yourself in the head.This guy did and he seems fine.

    http://imgur.com/a/J3fw9

  59. @ Hank

    Good to see a lack of FR’s from you as when you are involved FR stands for Failure Reports. Happy to read the first one after you lose your incel status and have something positive to offer.

    You are still using your shitty location as an excuse despite the obvious fact that girls and men in that location are obviously getting laid.

    I’ve said it before but with the amount of game you are running and the period of time involved you need to accept that the problem is probably you.
    But no back to complaining about your location.

    From what I’ve read you have a handle on basic game and interactions so once again I suggest you work on improving the product (you) as its getting boring tbh.

  60. Western civilization as we know it won’t be around forever. A lot of what we take for granted was provided for us by barrels of oil. Oil which won’t last another 50 years.
    Conventional war will be commonplace again. Millions will (are dying) to secure what’s left of this precious resource.

    In order to conserve it’s use, labour intensive jobs will steadily rise. Men will get home too tired to think about sex, let alone ask for it. While his wife will have tomorrow’s pack lunch and tonight’s dinner waiting.
    This arrangement will suit them for a while. A couple of decades at least.

  61. @Playdontpay

    All Hank is doing is giving a more comprehensive than average view into what improvement looks like.

    Pulling a SDL from mall daygame ain’t no joke. Inexperience and non-ideal circumstances are both a factor here.

  62. @Jeremy – Great commentary. Yep, what you are describing is intentional. They are making our govt and social institutions instruments of their social engineering. I read not too long ago that the federal govt had 900 depts dedicated to women across all federal agencies. Couple this with state and local institutions doing the same. But hey, Vox Day’s blog site is going to turn it all around, lol. It’s just too funny how delusional alt right types are. But all one need do is go on any of their “live streams” (mostly bad analysis, absurd conversation and complete shit production not worth the time) and watch the comment section in real time. You’ll find more than a couple of “deplorables” there but hey, the alt right isn’t racist. And they can create their own little world – in their minds and on YouTube channels and turn all this around. It’s mental masturbation in an echo chamber and I’m rapidly losing interest.

    And of course, prog-marxist think tanks and academics pushed for all this as instruments of the culture war. They realized that mere protest and rhetoric and academic stances were not “transformational”. Hell, Obama is trying to officially make Arabs and other non-black peoples from Northern Africa into their own race so we can make Muslims a protected class and have them qualify for many programs and legal protections. Funny, they haven’t mentioned whether they’ll include Jews too, lol. Yet Trump supporters think we are about to just turn all this around, sigh…too rich. What Jeremy describes is what “Community Organizing’ looks like.

    Repeat after me, you alt righters: “Madame President”. Trump is down across the board, has little to no chance of making the key 4 states he needs now, and the betting line is 85/15 favoring Hillary. Enjoy this site while you can, the U.N. is about to make it illegal…

    Very telling commentary about the young women he describes. Have had similar interactions with the under 30yo female set. It’s like the idea of settling down and having a family in any traditional sense doesn’t even compute. They think of children of accoutrement. I’ve had two conversations with working mothers recently who publicly and repeatedly told me how much they disliked taking care of their children, lol. Neither of them seemed to get that all I wanted to do was slap the living shit out of both of them…Such attitudes aren’t attractive at all.

  63. @ Forge

    ” But it’s true that this is a huge things most non-pua’s don’t really get – girls will have sex with a lot more guys than they expect if the logistics are good and they’re confident they won’t get judged for it.

    Scray once said something like ‘Imagine if people realized that girls will bang pretty much any guy if they get the chance. Society isn’t ready for that.’

    Also gets back to something kfg said when we were discussing ‘My Secret Garden’ and girls having sex with literal dogs. “Why do they do it? Because it’s safe.”

    A dog can’t talk. It can’t even give her an STD.”

    Truth.

    I stopped with fr’s because Hank’s were more interesting, but I had a kinda odd thing happen about 6 weeks ago.

    Backstory-

    My hawt goddaughter that I speak of here often, has a BFF named..um…let’s call her ” K”.

    I met K when she was all of 14 years old. K was tall and awkward at her age, with mile long legs. Idk if you can assign an hb# to a kid, but for arguments sake let’s say she was a 6.5-7-ish.

    She had self esteem issues, and hanging out with my goddaughter didn’t help any.

    A few times when I went to visit my goddaughter for a few days with the family, I noticed this girl kept flashing me. I chalked it up to her just not paying attention to how she was sitting and moving, and averted my eyes every time. Plus those legs must be a bitch to maneuver. Lol.

    But it happened pretty consistently over the years. She was always hugging just a little too long, and sitting just a little too close.

    Once I was having a conversation with her, and she kept referring to herself as ugly, but in a self defensive joking way. So I told her that as she gets older and grows into herself a little more, she’s gonna get more attention from guys than she knows what to do with.

    Time passed and K became a cheerleader and worked out and did the makeup thing and started dressing differently. Sure enough, she was pursued heavily by guys.

    Fast forward to 2016.

    K turned 21 this year. Lol, she topped out at 5’11”. She’s a strong 7.5 I’d say.

    My goddaughter came to visit about 6 weeks ago, and K came with her. I had visitors staying over, so the house was pretty packed. I was on my porch talking to ( or rather reading the riot act to ) goddaughter/instagram superstar about where her life was going. K joined in, listening intently. I was sitting on the steps, and still, K came and sat practically on top of me.

    After about 15 minutes, goddaughter went inside to use the bathroom.

    K started saying that she remembered how I used to always say such nice things to her. The hair on the back of my neck slowly started to raise. I could feel where this was going. Then she said that she appreciated that I took and interest in her feelings and thoughts. That I was the first man to show her attention and that I cared.

    Then she said that ” now I’m not a kid anymore. I’m 21 years old!!! Yay me!!!”. She said that if I wasn’t happily married, she’d make a serious run at me because she knows I’m real. So now I’m like ” whew!!, okay it’s not too bad..”.

    Then..

    She said ” You turned me on sexually, even when I was young. I used to want you sooo bad “, and she laughed. So, I laughed too. Lol. She looked down at her shoes and said kinda quiet- ” I’d fuck you now if you wanted to…”.

    Then goddaughter re-appeared from the bathroom and rejoined us.

    K looked up and said ” It’s just something to think about. No pressure “.

    Goddaughter inquired as to what there was no pressure about. K responded that she offered to sell me her car for a really cheap price, if I wanted it.

    We 3 sat outside for another half hour or so. K and goddaughter left after that, but K yelled out of the car window before pulling off, ” If you decide you want it, just let me know and come by and check it out. If you don’t want it, it’s cool, don’t worry about it.”.

    My neighbor across the street was on his porch also, checking out the girls, lol. He’s not slick. So he yells across the street ” Hey!!! What do you do over there to have so many young chicks around??”, and I replied ” Help raise them from diapers!!! “.

    So wifey steps outside.

    Her: The girls left?

    Me: Yup. All gone.

    Her: Well come and eat before your food gets cold.

    Me: Okay cool.

    Her: You know K didn’t even say goodbye? That girl loses her head when she’s around you…

    Me: Did you bring up some wine and put it on ice?

    Her: Ummm huh.

    Wifey is fairly sharp. I’m sure she’s been getting the vibes K has been throwing for years.

    “But it’s true that this is a huge things most non-pua’s don’t really get – girls will have sex with a lot more guys than they expect if the logistics are good and they’re confident they won’t get judged for it.”

    Truth. Always.

  64. Blax

    Come on… no need to humblebrag about the bush – heh… You are an older stronger DPA dude… this is what PUA is trying to mimic…

    sorry fella… Burden.

  65. IN other words… “most other guys” will never get propositioned by a girl in the first place…

  66. Forge

    “Pulling a SDL from mall daygame ain’t no joke. Inexperience and non-ideal circumstances are both a factor here.”

    Which is why he shouldn’t be wanking about the mall… he should be in the bars and places at night… because they exist and these girls are there…

  67. @Forge: “the universe dropped a beat-up old fiddle on my lap and I’m busy making terrible noises with it.”

    The definition of “bad neighborhood” is “one in which someone is learning to play the violin.”
    You’ll just need to put in the time drawing out long, slow notes until you get the hang of it. Pay attention to keeping the bow square to the strings and tracking in one spot. You should find that if you do that most of form will flow from it without paying too much attention to form.

    And simple songs are the best music to start with. Twinkle Twinkle, Down in the Valley, Edelweiss, that sort of thing.

    Violins are hellaciously sensitive to set up, both in tone and playability. It’s worth the time, trouble and expense to have it looked at by a good set up guy. You want someone who is used to handling accomplished classical musicians, not just repairing student rentals, so you probably won’t find him at the local general music store.

    Also, bear in mind that one of the annoying things about violin is that the player can’t actually hear what it sounds like. In general it will sound scratchier to the player than to someone listening. Get someone to play it for you and sit a good bit back to find out what it really can sound like.

    “The thing fuckin hurts the collarbone, but I refuse to work with one of those ridiculous bits of scaffolding people rig themselves up with.”

    I don’t like that stuff either. My second fiddle usually doesn’t even have a chin rest on it and I don’t usually miss it. People played in the modern position for over 100 years before the chin rest was even invented. And if I’m not going to be playing up the neck I might use a low hold or a lap position, like a mini cello. I’m not a position snob. Form is function, not a goal in and of itself.

    Make sure the edge is sitting on top of your collarbone, not pressed against it, and you can fold up a bandana, or even a paper towel, and tuck it under your shirt to help a bit if you really need to.

    ” . . . my influences might be a bit different from yours….”

    Can’t say it’s an influence, but it’s something I like listening to. Scottish music is nearly as influenced by Scandinavian music as by Celtic, and moreso as you move out into the Islands. A number of people mostly noted for their Scottish style playing also play Scandinavian styles.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc7XwpB63DU

    And I really need to find me another cello girl who can fiddle.

  68. @sentient @forge @playdontpay

    Which is why he shouldn’t be wanking about the mall… he should be in the bars and places at night… because they exist and these girls are there…

    boom. there we go. lol, that’s why guys like sentient and playdontpay just aren’t getting it.

    see, there AREN’T many bars around where I live lol. I went to a few early on, but it was rare that there were many girls there. I went to bars for about 25 hours or so, and saw maybe 5 bangable girls…and 4 of those were at this one bar over a period of an hour and a half. The other one was at this same place on another day for about 30min. So that’s an 8% chance of finding something bangable lol.

    the mall — and its basically just the one mall I have to go to, has more like a 20%-30% chance to find something acceptable. Plus, its a place I can pop by real quick and see if anything is there, then swing by a nearby bookstore or a fancy grocery store or an outdoor mall that’s in the area.

    That’s WHY I have been trying to move to another city. The domiciles I am looking for in this city are close to downtown, an arts district, a university, a couple malls and parks. There are something like 15-20 bars in maybe a 10 mile radius. If you include nightclubs and such, there’s probably around 30 venues in that area. I can just walk/drive/catch a bus to one district, and pop around all the venues there.

    So in this city I am moving to, yes, you just go out and stay out for hours at a time and keep approaching girls. But where I am currently…there are no girls *TO* approach.

    @playdontpay

    Good to see a lack of FR’s from you as when you are involved FR stands for Failure Reports. Happy to read the first one after you lose your incel status and have something positive to offer.

    man you really have a boner for me lol. No one is making you read my FRs

    my FRs show how, depending on where you live and your experience level and how much you like the girls around you, it can be a grind to get started. However, you can still make some progress, and you can still find a way to move to a better place…though it may take a lot longer than you hope and expect it to.

    calling a FR a failure just because you don’t get laid is a very bad attitude. Julien has guys go into venues with old/ugly chicks and dudes so they can learn how to be social, charismatic men without having to get laid. Learning to have fun REGARDLESS of what happens is a key part of game. Your actions are what pump you up, not what the girl says or does.

    Like I’ve said before, I’ve done more daygame than pretty much anyone here. Guys more experienced than me like forge and culum and I think mersonia were having issues doing cold approach. And I have hours and hours of doing just that lol, and in venues I hate that really only have eeehhhhh okay girls, not many I’m thrilled about.

    You are still using your shitty location as an excuse despite the obvious fact that girls and men in that location are obviously getting laid.

    nah, I keep going out. Its not an excuse to note that its gonna take a lot longer to dig a ditch with your bare hands than it would with a steamshovel. It *is* an excuse if you decide to give up just because you don’t have a steamshovel to dig a ditch — you can still dig *something* with your bare hands. But its silly not to try and find at least a trowel to speed up your progress in digging that ditch.

    I’ve said it before but with the amount of game you are running and the period of time involved you need to accept that the problem is probably you.

    From what I’ve read you have a handle on basic game and interactions so once again I suggest you work on improving the product (you) as its getting boring tbh.

    Once again, you can just scroll past my posts brah

    But more specifically, I don’t really like these girls around here, so I really don’t WANT to bang many of them. With the girls I do like there is the logistical issues and dealing with 2016 tinder culture — where I lose girls is on them flaking. Flaking is my #1 problem.

    So that’s why I went and got this new job in a bigger city that has many many times more people than where I live now, has a shitton more venues, and I will get a place to live in the city itself, so I can pull girls back to my place, rather than having to try and go to theirs. That way I can find a girl I like quickly, easily instadate her with all the venues around, then pull her back to my place.

    @forge

    I’ve just heard of the band garmarna

    @scribblerg

    Repeat after me, you alt righters: “Madame President”. Trump is down across the board, has little to no chance of making the key 4 states he needs now, and the betting line is 85/15 favoring Hillary. Enjoy this site while you can, the U.N. is about to make it illegal…

    mr optimist lol. nah, its gonna be pretty close. there are a lot of liberals who are disenchanted with the left and hilary and how the left is eating its own — I think a lot of them won’t vote at all. While on the other hand, trump is speaking to people that haven’t been interested in politics or voting in years. There is a massive change in politics going down, and the right is being reinvigorated as we speak. The leftist media is losing its mind over trying to play down how successful trump has been and continues to be. They were SURE the tapes finished him off, and yet he kicked hilary’s ass in the debates and much of what he said hit a cord with people — especially the “Because you’d be in jail” quip. Brutal, lol.

    Hilary may win, but I think there is going to be a surge of voters coming out of the woodwork to vote for trump — the type of people that the media doesn’t poll or survey, and doesn’t count on voting.

    The alt-right is a lot bigger than you think — its mostly comprised of people who don’t think of themselves as being alt-right…or right at all. The dudes posting pepe memes are just the tip of the iceberg.

    lets not get all doom and gloom just yet

  69. Jeremy
    I travel a lot for business to Washington DC – the global epicenter of the FI. Last night I sat at a bar and had a very revealing conversation with 3 twenty-something women, one of whom was an attractive State Department foreign service officer, one a technical writer, and the third a State Department consultant.

    Women’s known ingroup preference (4:1) plus white knighting plus a huge excess of resources. It’s not new, either, ask people who were in the .gov back in the 90’s the last time the Clintons were running things. First world feminists determined to shove their 1970’s “fish – bicycle” dogma into every other country in the world, because that’s what True Believers do.

    Time to mention Eric Hoffer and his book “The True Believer”. I don’t agree with everything Hoffer wrote, but there are some very good points in TTB worth pondering in the current situation.

    Anyway, these DC girlies Jeremy is reporting on are the skew end of what is normal for under 30’s women. This is what the UMC looks like increasingly in DC / NoVa / Maryland as well as the Bay Area, parts of Boston, probably parts of the Puget Sound area.

    They grow up with an Old Girl network that protects them from the vagaries of life, that provides them with special bennies from K to grad school and beyond into foundation / .gov world.

    And the best part: this is what college women are trained to aspire to. This is the exemplar that Mary Sue at Boring State U. in the middle west who is majoring in Women’s Studies with a minor in Creative Writing rilly, rilly, rilly wants to do. And if she can’t get this particular brass ring because she’s not graduating from an Ivy, she’ll settle for the next best thing at some lower level foundation, or some politico in state gove, etc. and so forth. What she won’t want is Boring Steady Eddy with a degree in civil engineering. Not before the age of 35 and several hundred cocks, anyway.

    This is the pool that college men are looking at for potential wives. More and more it’s like panning for gold at the foot of a glacier. These are the future opinion leaders in State and other departments, too.

    Discuss.

  70. @Hank – Your optimism is useless in an election and is the redoubt of an amateur, not a serious observer of the political scene. As for your FRs, I have no trouble scrolling when I’m not interested and many times find them really helpful. I do not understand why guys give you shit. I’m also impressed with the level of effort and commitment, keep at it!

    My favorite book on selling is entitled Hope is Not a Strategy, and the same is true in electoral politics. Idiots who had no basis even opening their mouths were aping a bunch of bullshit in 2012 about how Romney was going to win when in fact most of them didn’t even know what a “turnout model” was. It’s so much worse this time around. Two tidbits for you:

    1. NYTImes article on how early voting is going for Hillary like mad and how she may indeed have most or all of Trumps “must have” battleground states locked up before Nov 8th. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/early-voting-registration.html

    2. RealClear Politics aggregate of many surveys. They include the live betting line tpp, which has worsened by 1 point since I cited it earlier, – 86 hillary 14 trump. But hey, people betting actual money on this don’t have the insights you have of course, lol. Your empty rhetoric is exactly what I’m decrying – you alt right guys aren’t on to anything, you are delusional and amateurish and mostly pseudo-intellectual in your politics. Read and weep, buddy. And repeat after me “Madame President Clinton”. Get used to it. And make sure you are as anonymous as you can be on sites like this as the clamp down is coming.

    http://imgur.com/a/ukPDr

  71. Scribblerg

    I doubt that any professional politician or academician predicted Trump’s overwhelming success to date. In fact, one can cite to hundreds of respected professional’s opinions on why Trump succeeding out of the primary was impossible, and to dozens of “shot in foot” missteps that were unrecoverable.

    And yet here we are, Hillary herself crowing about why she isn’t 50 points clear… It is not lost on me that you put forward RealClear and NYT… two discredited “professional strength” sources of “news” and “polling data”. Come on, you can’t believe now at this late stage of things that ANY traditional media source is not biased in the favor of Hillary and the GOP. Yes the GOP! How about that for a kicker right? Trump is a de facto third party candidate…

    One thing is for sure, no matter what happens on 11/8, beyond the massive voter fraud that will occur, no one will ever believe that the GOP and the Democrats have anything substantive at all between them and that the MSM, and the tech copatriots are ever telling us the truth.

    That alone is a win.

    I think we are about 1769 in terms of temperature… the pot is on the stove and the stove is lit…

    All the same if you are still looking at giving 10:1 odds… put me down for $100 on a Trump victory on 11/8.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785854588654092290

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785842546878578688

    The next few weeks will be shrill like we haven’t seen in 40-50 years…

  72. Hank

    Which is why he shouldn’t be wanking about the mall… he should be in the bars and places at night… because they exist and these girls are there…

    boom. there we go. lol, that’s why guys like sentient and playdontpay just aren’t getting it.

    see, there AREN’T many bars around where I live lol. I went to a few early on, but it was rare that there were many girls there. I went to bars for about 25 hours or so, and saw maybe 5 bangable girls…and 4 of those were at this one bar over a period of an hour and a half. The other one was at this same place on another day for about 30min. So that’s an 8% chance of finding something bangable lol.

    sure I’m not getting it… Listen, you will learn more about PICK UP in a bar with five girls in it from 10PM to 1AM than in a mall with a 100 girls in it from 10AM to 1PM… But you seem to be confusing PICK UP with opening…

    Hail the king of opening – ” I’ve done more daygame than pretty much anyone here. Guys more experienced than me like forge and culum and I think mersonia were having issues doing cold approach.” – but really this is just an absurd statement…

    The goal of pick up is getting P in V, focus on that already… it will only help you when you get to the “city”…

    Pick up is NOT a numbers game…

  73. @ Jeremy

    Hey, good to see you posting. It’s been a while.

    The “Eat Pray Love” dynamic among all three was off the charts. They were all extremely well traveled, career-oriented, and had no interest in getting married or even having children. We even had a sidebar conversation about one of their potential beta boyfriends — a guy who incidentally and ironically loved cats (a true catch for these soon-to-be cat ladies). I asked them about their dating lives, relationship goals, etc. and they asked me about my views. I told them frankly that they were a few very short years away from hitting the wall and that at some point they would have to come to terms with a different imperative — a genetic imperative for children. You can imagine their howls of protest. One remarked that if she wants children, she’ll have no problem corralling a “partner” (preferably but not even necessarily heterosexual, certainly temporary, and almost assuredly a beta provider) for the purpose of breeding.

    In other words, the FI is so strong now that these career-oriented young women can’t even conceive of a lifelong relationship or starting, nurturing or raising a family. The very concept doesn’t even exist in their internal circuitry. But riding the cock-carousel? Different story… They all volunteered in detail (unprompted by me by the way), their abundant sex lives, the intensity of their orgasms, and the men they shack up with on their international travels. Parenthetically, it would have been extremely easy for me to pull any of the three, but I have to say, I was actually repulsed and had no interest.”

    These kinds of chicks been around since the Go-Go 80’s.

    I used to spend a little time in DC, and it is indeed as described by most outside of the beltway, a ” bubble ” in every sense of the word.

    What these chicks are professing is the same sentiment held by most young, spoiled chicks in nice comfy positions close to the power base. This has been true for 30+ years. The conditions on the ground today in 2016 only serve to supercharge what was always there.

    DC is the center of hell, and unfortunately it’s infected Northern VA and parts of Maryland. Strangely enough though, it seems self limiting.

    Their views on family, relationships with the opposite sex, and raising children were even MORE extreme than Rollo’s post a few weeks ago about an open hypergamy future… It’s not the future, it’s already here and its far worse than even Rollo could imagine. In that post, Rollo highlighted the friend of a female blogger who actually hoped that her daughter would be a single mother (breeding with a beta male for the purpose of jointly raising a child), but later marrying an alpha male who excites her. No, these women aren’t interested in marrying… ever… They sincerely believe (and they’re probably right) that they can find a temporary sperm donor who incidentally doesn’t even have to be heterosexual to impregnate them IF they decide they want children at some point in the future. Imagine that… The “beta providers” they would consider to help conceive and raise their children can now be SO beta, that they don’t even have to be heterosexual.

    Their views on relationships and children were so clinical, so antiseptic, so transactional, so lacking in meaning, and so devoid of any lifelong commitment to a family, a future husband, or a real loving relationship with a man that I was absolutely floored.

    Now, why might this be? Remember, two of these gals worked for the State Department. Well, consider that under Hillary Clinton, our foreign policy establishment massively ramped up its global diplomacy with regard to women’s issues. In fact, there’s now an entire division at State called “Advancing the Status of Women and Girls”. It’s programs include “Promoting Women’s Political Participation and Leadership”, “Fully Integrating Women in Peace and Security Building”, “Accelerating Women’s Economic Participation”, and my favorite… “Integrating the Advancement of Women and Girls into U.S. Foreign Policy”.”.

    This is actually a great development. Most of these idiots won’t be able to live out their fantasies ( even less will be able to if men ever wake up in masse ), so I applaud them. We don’t really need their spawn anyway. Maybe in time they will just wither on the vine of real life.

    I agree that a lot of this DC bullshit got ramped up under Clinton, but it goes back to Bill. All of the ” Girls World ” stuff is mostlt fancy window dressing for good feelz. The agenda has been rolling for decades already.

    Speaking of Global agendas…

    In the Middle East most governments ( the ones that are still around ) are trying desperately to resist all of this FI on steroids shit. If one were to listen to the initial speeches and declarations ,made by ” Islamic Terrorist “, they never ” hated our freedoms ” as wonderfully alluded to here. They did not want our culture forced upon them, especially the ” women’s/gay rights ” movements. In a lot of the early 90’s proclamations made by a majority of ” Radical Jihadists ” groups, this was made crystal clear. Media clowns here reported about the poor women and their barbaric treatment ( why, they can’t even drive in Saudi Arabia!!!!), and this nation started applying the pressure.

    Like throwing diesel fuel on a fire.

    Hence, if these rogue, backwards nations would not cease their violations of people’s/women’s rights, well we will just arm some rebels to overthrow the standing gov’t, and maybe we’ll install one of our choosing.

    How ya like dem apples???

    Westernize or Vaporize policy. Sounds great.

    But it never really gained any traction because peasant males were tooling up with ak47’s and actually fighting back, to the death.

    So next up, Regime Change!!!!

    Oh wait….they’re still fighting us??? Wtf???

    Destabilize an entire region of the world, and complain about refugees coming to our lands and not respecting our civilized culture.

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled….etc. etc.

    All of the DC babbling shit you witnessed is a part of the problem all men on the fucking planet are facing right now. Some of us are talking about tooling up with AR15’s…lol, I ain’t even mad at them in most respects. We do not spread Democracy, we spread Femtocracy.

    On a more positive note : )

    These biotches are still small in number. They aren’t quite insignificant, as the wielders of power constant seek to use them to keep us all pretty much destabilized ourselves. This is how you know that it won’t ever stop, until men decide to stop it.

    You witnessed a small gathering of tools that night.

    Real men find them abhorrent. All of the Channel and Gucci and Prada on the planet won’t make them appealing to real live unthirsty men outside of their bubble.

    And in that, there is a glimmer…..

  74. AR… Will have to check out Hoffer’s book. Reading the Wikipedia about it now and struck by the fact that the easiest potential converts are “the new poor” (likely explains the Trump phenomenon and support among middle class whites losing ground) and the “misfits” (Hillary supporters) who feel their individual lives are meaningless and worthless so join up for a bigger cause.

    Two mass movements growing right before our eyes. The clash is going to epic and very dangerous.

  75. Thanks Blax. DC is an absolute cesspool as you say. Lived there for 10 years and had to leave to keep my sanity. One of the worst places on earth… Most disgusting part: It has several of the riches zip codes in the entire country. Imagine that… A place that makes, creates, produces nothing. Only siphons and leeches from the productive citizenry to ensure their sinecures.

  76. @ Jeremy

    ” Imagine that… A place that makes, creates, produces nothing. Only siphons and leeches from the productive citizenry to ensure their sinecures.”

    Drops mic.

    Excellent.

  77. All I know is I ain’t puttin’ any bets on this election until it’s at least a few days over. That’s how weird shit is out there.

    Except that my vote doesn’t matter a damn. I’m from NY. Voting for Hillary would just be piling on, and voting for The Donald would just be pissing into the wind.

    And Gary Johnson has gone all weird chasing after the Bernie Boy votes.

  78. I’m not a big fan of churning political debate on this blog. But. I am an acute observer.

    My biggest issue with Hillary is that as an INTJ woman, she is the worst, evil, bitch, feminist possible to lead other women to glory over men.

    At least the other most famous INTJ woman, Ayn Rand, inspired men to greatness in their lives. And she advocated for red pill. (I think.)

    Hillary is duplicitous. She is putting on an act as an INTJ. She fucking hates all those Peons out there and is doing this just for her agency, not for women, not for her acolytes, just for her own fucking agency.

    I’m judgmental about people with Parkinson’s disease. My opinion is that their brains work just fine. Even if women with an INTJ are evil and their husband (Bill) is devious, that they can function, the stamina that it takes to lead as POTUS is extraordinary, that someone that doesn’t have that stamina can just make shit up and lie, lie, lie about leadership ability.

    The reports about Hillary’s medical condition are being suppressed and the guys talking about it are not actually crazy from a medical standpoint. She is defective medically. I think non doctors talking about her having subcortical vascular dementia are probably wrong. The one retired doctor talking about her having long standing Parkinson’s is probably on target.

    Once again, Parkinson’s is not a dis qualifier for actually thinking, but can be for actually doing. Barring the INTJ and Feminist Ideology.

    You might want to waste 30 minutes of time watching this video. And getting others to not vote Hillary unless you want to waste another 4 years of sickening CNN and MSM news reports.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtIzH9HoC8

    This Ted Noel guy is credible and has numerous other cites. He’s actually understated in his pick up of medical sub-comms.

  79. @kfg:

    “If women ran things the theory goes, we’d have less war, less conflict, less violence… Society would be “softer”, more nurturing if men’s violent natures could be tempered.”

    That is what the men who drafted the plan in the wake of WWI believed.

    Really? what would be your source for that? I’m curious. That the men who drafted the post WWII plan thought this.

  80. “Hey (Jeremy), good to see you posting. It’s been a while.”

    Cosign.

    Good field report in your original post Jeremy.

    I’m not jaded, but the more red pill agency and game I get, it is helpful to be aligned that way.

    I like to keep my chin up and be optimistic. I like reality and operate well in a red pill understanding.

    Lately my dreams have been foreboding and keep ending in dead ends for pretty much two weeks going. That is my soul talking. It is time to accelerate a new climb for agency.

    Nothing actually bad is happening, but that OMG skill and mastery calls for continuing the quest for skill in game.

    It’s seasonal, its the bad JuJu from Trump and Hillary and the MSM handling of it. It is a bizarre goings on.

    But I’ll be damned if I’ll not be in a mini grief stage other than Acceptance.

    I really feel much better after reading that first volume of Transurfing Reality by Vadim Zeland.

    It is woo woo modeling, but it is a model, not a practical manual on how to relate to life.

    It is like an Alan Watts, the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, only updated. And it explains how the conundrums of stuff like current politics are a force that sucks everyone’s energy (Like the Matrix) and how to not be sucked into its energy sucking. And why the OMGs commenting here seem to have a bearing on their lives. They are centered on themselves and have agency.

  81. @Blax

    Haha, crazy story! Excellent illustration.

    The thing of it is, sexual attraction isn’t enough to create that circumstance. She also needed to feel comfortable opening up to you about her sexual desires. I think this is where most men fail wrt their sex lives frankly; even a chump attracts the occasional girl by accident. But nothing comes of it if sex is some awkward thing you don’t talk about, and she senses that from you.

    The idea that it is improper or indecent to talk about sex with girls is THE cockblock.

    Just going out and talking to girls about shit that matters to her, sex not excluded, even without a specific intent to get laid, could make a huge difference for a lot of men.

  82. @Mitch:

    WWI, not II. I did a shit ton of unauthorized reading in my youth, received my tertiary education in the very heart of darkness itself and married an anthropologist/sociologist who was educated in one of the major blood clots.

    You can start your own reading with the history of anthropology. Pay particular attention to Columbia University beginning just before the turn of the century, but it’s in the 20s when shit really starts to go down. You’ll find the source of Cultural Relativism there. Also of importance is the peculiar case of Margaret Mead, who was raised from childhood to be an agent of the plan by her sociologist and socialist mother and then became a pet project at Columbia.

    Her trip to Samoa had a particular purpose for the plan – to document a naturally evolved, real life instantiation of the plan. That was important for propaganda purposes, so that they could claim that the plan wasn’t synthetic, it was natural.

    As well as harden up the plan itself with the empirical example, as it was synthetic, built by hypothesising a matriarchal society on top of socialist ideology.

  83. @kfg

    Thanks man. It’s good to know some scratchiness is normal for the player to hear, I’ve been fiddling with the rosin trying to fix it.

    I can keep the bow square but it tends to float all over the string. I’ll focus on steadying it. A lot of my issue is with fretting just yet, my wrists are more strong than flexible. And I’m not grokking vibrato at all, especially when I try putting it against the shoulder like a fiddler rather than under the chin. But I’m not gonna worry about that just yet, i suspect it will come.

    It’s great to get an experienced perspective on this, so I know what to focus on or ignore. I could have saved myself many headaches back when I started brewing (this was before I learned about my gut’s, uh, complicated relationship with gluten) if someone had just told me ‘focus on temperature, not time.’ Oh, and ‘pH is really damn important.’

    “Scottish music is nearly as influenced by Scandinavian music as by Celtic, and moreso as you move out into the Islands. ”

    Haha, cool! I haven’t studied much music history to date but I’m learning it’s a lot like learning about language. Unexpected connections everywhere.

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