Are You Experienced?

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About three weeks ago I was made aware of an article on the New Republic blog called Bros Before Homes and a few of my followers on Twitter asked me for my take on it then. I did feel it merited more than 140 characters so I figured I’d build a post on it. Honestly, I had more than a couple irons in the fire for blog posts ahead of this, but in hindsight now I’m glad I waited a bit before digging too far in.

I am going to riff on it here, but before I do I’d like to point out that my posting Sugar Babies, before this post was a strategic decision on my part. You’ll understand why a bit later, but keep in mind the general premise of that post – women’s commodification of intimacy dynamic – and the priority of self-importance women place on themselves with regards to what men must pay for and why women believe they’re worth men’s having to pay for it.

I’m asking readers to keep this in mind because Bros Before Homes will contrast starkly next to Sugar Babies.

From the tone of the article you probably won’t need to look up Phoebe Maltz Bovy‘s portfolio to understand her clichéd feminist bias. It’s all of the self-importance and the prerequisite solipsism you’d expect from ‘journalists’ of her stripe, but try to read past the snark she thinks is interesting. Her sarcasm only highlights women’s duplicity with regards to men freeing themselves from the Feminine Imperative and women commodifying their intimate interests in ‘acceptable’ men.

The gist of Bovy’s fabricated angst is how offensively sexist it is for men to prioritize life experience, exploration, self-betterment, hobbies and the virtue signaling she sees inherent in men when they actually go their own way. Men cutting themselves free from the expectations of the Feminine Imperative and a feminine-primary social order always imply the threat of them coming to realize their own value.

It’s also that the very idea of experiences mattering more than things is a way of valorizing the stereotypically masculine. “While men are conditioned to dream big—to see their happiness in terms of adventure and travel, sex and ideas and long nights of hilarity—women are now encouraged to find deep fulfilment in staying home to origami our pants,” she wrote.

Whether women are being encouraged to rid our homes of useless belongings, or urged to shop for new ones, the result is the same: Society continues to associate women with the home and the material, men with the outside and experiences. While the enjoyment of domestic life, of stuff, isn’t inherently negative, it is dismissed precisely because of its associations with the feminine. An orientation towards stuff over experiences, moreover, gets cast either as recklessly materialist or, as Tony perceives it, an impediment to enjoying life. The only constant is that what women prefer, or are imagined to prefer, is thought inferior.

[…]We’re meant to admire the experience-lovers for their indifference to stuff, which implies they’ve got their priorities straight: to live life to the fullest. It’s no coincidence, though, that these experience-lovers are so often male, as it’s a stereotypically male aspiration not to be “tied down”—that is, not to have domestic responsibilities. But these men do have roofs over their heads. The bourgeois life they’re rejecting is simply one they’ve outsourced. After all, Tony hasn’t rejected the material life. He’s just got a woman—his mother—tidying up after him.

Bovy’s presumptions here smack of her reaching for some way to denigrate men’s pragmatically eschewing materialism or being tethered to what would otherwise be considered “grown up” responsibilities and looking for something more personally meaningful for themselves. As with all femosphere journalists you get a bonus 10% on your women’s studies essays if you can find a way to sneak the word’s “sexism” or “misogyny” in a piece.

Bros Before Homes is really nothing novel in the manosphere. MGTOWs have been advocating this reward-for-independence from women for as long as there’s been a movement. What is novel is that this return to a man being his own mental point of origin and prioritizing life experiences as his first priority is a result of an awareness that’s now filtering into the mainstream. It’s very easy to criticize men for being juvenile about foregoing what popular culture would have us believe is preparing ourselves for adulthood, but when this new idealism affects the men women hope will be well-positioned Betas when they’ve reached the end of their Party Years, then there’s cause for concern.

As a side note here, I should also say that it’s interesting to see how fluidly the progress of feminism comes full circle in Bovy’s thought process. She uses the same ambiguous tropes of a regressive society expecting women to resign themselves to domesticity and tidying up after men as if 60+ years of Fempowerment “leveling the playing field” never occurred. This is the same, very tired, cover story that second wave feminism used in the sixties.

The underlying irritation here is that men’s new prioritizing of experiences above materialism is a thorn in the side of women who’ve been given carte blanche to their Hypergamous whims. Bovy cries sexism because she presumes men are unable to engage in all this experience seeking without a support team of mothers and house-bound women, but what really makes her sore is that men doing the seeking reminds women of their natural predilection for materialism and the base of opportunism their concept of love is founded upon.

Bovy’s first mistake is that she’s statistically inaccurate.

The Blue Pill conditioning of the past 60 years has done everything but teach men to “dream big—to see their happiness in terms of adventure and travel, sex and ideas”. That particular conditioning is reserved for women playing along with the Eat, Pray, Love narrative. If anything it’s just the opposite. From education to family to church, men are conditioned for servile Beta-hood and lambasted for not ‘Manning Up’ and being supportive of women’s empowerment at the cost of their own. Conversely, women and womankind have been lifted to unrealistic idealism in pursuing their own interests at the cost of childbearing and monogamous domesticity. Apparently, Bovy’s never read Lean In or even watched a Disney princess movie in the last 50 years.

Off the Reservation

What worries women is that all the Blue Pill conditioning men have endured for the past several decades might be undone if men were to actually make themselves their mental point of origin. What worries the representatives of the Feminine Imperative is that Betas might see the pragmatism in following the example of men who put themselves first. Men who eschew the trappings of building their lives around the materialism women seek when their looks fade and their need for men’s resource security is a better prospect than having to compete for men with their sisters. When marriage is an easily recognizable sucker’s bet to the point that even Betas can see the sense in avoiding it, that’s when the Feminine Imperative must shift to a new tactic.

Open Hypergamy makes for aware Betas. Men aware of the game they are expected to play must either tamp that understanding down into denial or they simply refuse to play. That refusal can come in many examples, but the reasoning is the same. The deductive, pragmatic response is for men to go their own way and put themselves at the beginning of their thought processes and goals.

The success of women’s sexual strategy depends on ignorant Betas being prepared to meet (or wait for them) at the time at which their need for security is the greatest. This expectation of Betas in Waiting is part of a Hypergamous plan; it is the consolidation of an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks prioritization (also known as the Sandberg Plan). Bros Before Homes is an offense to this plan.

This then becomes a paradox for the Feminine Imperative. A man’s life experiences are generally a wellspring of attraction if not arousal for a woman. Experience is the source of a genuine Amused Mastery and a man’s self-serving experience is usually a prime indicator of an Alpha mindset. My Red Pill brother Goldmund is a perfect example of how personal, self-asserted, self-initiated experiences can be parlayed into a very effective Game.

Be that as it is, the proposition of any and every Beta going MGTOW in various ways, hitting the open road and regaling women with the stories of their exploits presents a problem to Hypergamy; Hypergamy wants certainty and a well-traveled Beta is still a Beta. Furthermore, living for the experiential implies less investment in Beta men developing skills, status, affluence and the personal equity that make them good prospects for Beta providership when they reach the critical age at which women need their cooperation in fulfilling their Hypergamy. At least, that’s the implied concern for women. Men with a sense to educate themselves from experience are usually all the better for it – even when that experience is a nightmare.

I should add here that prioritizing experience above other consideration needn’t be limited to Bovy’s silly impressions of Jack Kerouac’s On the Road.  What concerns the feminine is that men would devote the lion’s share of their personal efforts on anything unrelated to meeting women’s future or present security needs. It’s not just men wanting to scale Mount Vesuvius, it’s men having any self-import at the expense of women. When men’s ambitions are centered on satisfying themselves  and not about developing equity that’s useful to women, that’s when those men (and those who would encourage it) are shamed for not being an adult. They are shamed for not manning up or growing up to meet the needs of women and thus not living up to “adult responsibilities”.

Responsible Adults

It’s not an accident that society conflates men’s servitude with qualities of adulthood – it’s the design.

As such, women begin to get nervous that their future provisioning and security are their own responsibility. How those needs are met are a discussion for various other threads I’ve written, but the social expectations of men qualifying for ‘manhood’ by assisting women to fulfill their own Hypergamous imperatives are at the root of the “sexist” accusations on Bovy’s part. To her, it’s sexist not to plan one’s life according to women’s ‘correct’ sexual strategy.

Bovy actually shares a lot with contemporary Christianity. Ensaturated by feminine primacy, the modern church has made efforts to convince men that their servitude to women is both an article of faith and a prerequisite for responsible adulthood. In a reversal of traditional faith, men aren’t men until they’ve established themselves as being capable of providing for both themselves, but for women as well. Any man shirking this is shamed for “prolonging is adolescence”. All life priority and preparation is presumed to revolve around supporting a future wife irrespective of her own decisions and the results that come from them. The contemporary church is a Beta production institution as it is, but it’s interesting to see how both Bovy and modern Christianity align on the position of men’s proper roles.

This is an interesting parallel when you consider the lengths to which women have gone to emancipate themselves from (ostensibly) being dependent upon men’s influence and provisioning. Western culture has evolved around the strong independent woman stereotype, yet it’s sexist for men to emancipate themselves from the worst of women’s sexual strategy. Bovy’s perspective relies heavily on the Old Books rules set in the misguided belief that women are still beholden to roles of domesticity and repression in an era of triumphantly embraced Open Hypergamy.

Materialism

As I mentioned in the opening, it’s important that we contrast this concern for Betas leaving the plantation with the blatant soft prostitution of the Sugar Babies dynamic. In the light of women’s naked opportunism, and with that opportunism’s materialistic purpose, it’s easy to see how patently false Bovy’s premise is here.

In an era where we develop successful apps to aid women in setting their price on a basic date, it’s easy to recognize Bovy’s disingenuousness. MGTOW and its Red Pill aware derivatives are really just practical, logical responses of men protecting themselves from an Open Hypergamy women are all too ready to educate them about. The End of Men is also the eventual end of women’s expectations of long term provisioning. If Bros aren’t interested in homes the old social contract is put in jeopardy and Open Hypergamy only serves to expedite this shift. Women at the Epiphany Phase looking for the “equal partner” that Sheryl Sandberg assures her sisters will be waiting for them find that men have declined to play along.

The old joke is that if women would have sex in a cardboard box men would never buy a house. The joke’s played out now because women are happy to fuck an Alpha in much less, and now they’re proud enough to tell Betas all about it.

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DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
6 years ago

@IAS

yes, I forgot to add I’ll be calibrating as I go since this is a bit aggressive (for me, anyways). And no butt-hurt’in to be had here..

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Andy ” Great comment. Thanks man. I found this place I would say a little over a year ago, I’ve change a lot. I’m definitely more social… Nowhere close to where I want to be though. WAY happier. WAY more positive. Part of the reason I feel so trapped right now is that I’ve accomplished a ton of my life goals. I have a pretty good job where I fuck off all day on the internet and make pretty good money, and everyone thinks I’m some sort of God lol… I mean, I suppose I COULD push myself career… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ fineman I loved every word you posted. Kudos to you, man. But especially all of this right here – ” I’ve read Blackdragon’s book on open marriages which Culum mentioned earlier and I too recommend it (if at some point in life you decide to pull the trigger, you better have a game plan). Whatever you decide, there is this f*king important point in the book, perhaps mentioned only briefly, which I discovered independently and saw it like a neon sign: it will NOT work (nothing will, BD’s/Ya’s non-monogamy, Rollo’s/Blax’s monogamy) if you don’t keep your shit together, if… Read more »

The Man
The Man
6 years ago

Andy – hey – I misunderstood. My apologies. Sounds like your wife is cool. Sounds like you already got alot already and want more. I hope you’ll let us know how you may accomplish that – cause what you are thinking about doing is new to me and I still don’t really get it – it seems like you are trying for bringing even higher value to both you and your wife and other 3rd parties by way of open married relationship – I would be very interested knowing how that can work – if you do decide to go… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Scribblerg “”But now we are clearly getting together because we enjoy each other’s company and it has little to do with biz. Seems like a perfect outcome, but I’m always looking for coaching.”” She’s coming over. It’s on. What you want to do is let her come over. Make her take off her shoes: compliance. Then let her wander around like a cat and get comfortable…while you get a glass of wine. Get her doing things: I always say “Light some candles, it needs a woman’s touch.” At some point sit down on the couch. Stare into her eyes. Bring… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ scribblerg ” I mean seriously, I have to listen to guys who haven’t stuck their dick into a 20something year old hottie in decades tell me what’s what here. I’ve got a newsflash for all of you – you aren’t some kind of world class PUA or RedPiller because you dance with some chicks or manage to not be a supplicating, emotionally retarded sperg with your post-menopausal wife to not be her doormat anymore. I’m happy for the progress you guys have made, but now you’ve all gone and set yourselves up as some kind of experts, LARPing and… Read more »

The Man
The Man
6 years ago

YaReally – Thanks for getting back – I’m still pondering our recent series of exchanges. But then Throughfare links this juicy article:

http://bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/

YaReally – for reals? What’s you take on this way of framing the game?

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@The Man Dude you’re taking this in a very self-righteous way. That article you’re holding up to YaReally like it’s a bad report card? The chances are that every single woman you’ve ever seen and thought about fucking has been “guilty” of being a party to that secret society. At the very least she was peripherally aware of it’s existence. And didn’t participate, probably cause she had the “good girl” guilt. Only to have the same thought cross her mind half-way into an unfulfilling marriage. For the poor dorks of yesteryear, the existence of the secret society was something that… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Blax – It would be hard for me to imagine caring less what you think or say. Funniest? There isn’t a shred of anger in that comment, or in this one. Your perception of it is framed by your emotional reaction, not my emotional state. I’m not angry. You seem like a good person and a happy man, but I simply cannot bother to read another “Super-Blax” story. You put your ass out here, you get what you get. I’m under no obligation to be a fawning fan. And I actually let a lot of your commentary go by before… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sentient and Walawala – Great coaching, thanks. I think what’s happening is that i’m finally synthesizing my “naturalness” and my reference experiences from my younger days with Mystery Method, along with other PUA coaching here and elsewhere. I was always a long-game guy and it seems with the HB9 (who’s gone mustang currently) and with the HB8 that this is working like a charm. I am speeding up with the HB7, 21yo but it’s interesting, I think I like to drag it out. I like the feel of seduction and the play of it. I also think that I stayed… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

Brief continuation of previous FR:

Texted asking “Did you tell your friends that you survived your first ride on a motorcycle?”

She replied laughing and said yes. I asked if they said she wasn’t allowed to hang out with me anymore. She laughed and said nah they think it’s fine. I told her “Oh good, in that case we should go hang this weekend. Let’s grab pizza at this awesome place.”

She’s busy all weekend with work, so we’re going next Wednesday. Venue’s about a 5 minute drive from my apartment. We’ll see how it goes.

http://media.giphy.com/media/3oEdv0BJm4oCgq1G5a/giphy.gif
Giggity

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Human life today is more about “social dynamics”….soap opera….Machiavellianism….politics and the art of sales….deception, negotiation….. Intellectual manipulation. It is not about survival and thriving on performance so much as getting one up on your neighbors by practicing various forms of chicanery. Sexual relationships are not surprisingly a prime example. This was perhaps not so from prehistoric times through antiquity and up until modern times. Modern times when the weak, malformed and dying are preserved. Modern times when the lazy and indigent are entitled to the produce of the industerous. Modern times that seek to find a utopian socioeconomic political system… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Culum – Point 4 of “the bad”. I too was fizzling for a while. But now I just plow on, like the RSD vid of Max Ya linked to upthread. Keep the energy and pace up – they aren’t listening that closely and are more tuned into your energy and body language and subcomms in general. I’ve found myself getting self-conscious and making mistakes, but it works anyway. When you bring the intensity down, you’re done. I say keep pushing until you get kicked in the balls or a giggle. @Andy – Holy shit, dude. Do you have any idea… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

“She’s busy all weekend with work, so we’re going next Wednesday.”…..

That is code for BEING WITH YOU IS NOT A PRIORITY…… a prelude to LJBF

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Texted asking “Did you tell your friends that you survived your first ride on a motorcycle?”

That is code for “PLEASE TELL ME I’M WORTHY OF YOUR VAGINA BECAUSE I RIDE A MOTORCYCLE.”

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

On Wednesday you are 99.9% likely to,discover that you are effectively put in orbit and will only be allowed to cummunicate with the cock traffic control tower.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sun – Giggity indeed. Nice work, now go get some more!!

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“– for reals?”

Forget it, Man. It’s Chinatown.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Emeline – Tell the 21yo hb7 i’m gaming – who has a bf – that she wants commitment, lol. All this time here and you haven’t even grasped the nature of hypergamy. Logistics were wrong for a bang, but it’s on the table. While we are hanging out, BF calls, she’s like, “Yeah, uhum, sure. That’s good, yeah, see you later, love you” and then sneers at the phone as she hangs up. He has no idea. We then talk about how he’s so desperate to keep tabs on her and how this makes her lose respect for him, while… Read more »

The Man
The Man
6 years ago

Yollo Comanche: You said: “Dude you’re taking this in a very self-righteous way. That article you’re holding up to YaReally like it’s a bad report card?” No – not my implied meaning at all. What I’m getting at is the implications of the article fly in the face of some of redpill thought. Maybe redpill and pua are only weakly related by way of just limited philosophical overlap. I want to know what YaReally thinks of that (and what Rollo thinks too). Read the article again and then ask yourself – “well what is ‘dread’ in terms of how members… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Sun I’ve banged a number of Korean girls outside Korea. WHen they travel, work or study they’re much more open than they are in Korea where they tend to be wary of being with foreigners to avoid being judged—especially by Korean guys who will regard them as sluts. With Korean girls, they admire strength and masculinity from foreigners. If you aren’t being bold and forward they think of you as a “friend”… Make a move quick. If she pushes back wait and make a second move. Escalate. I always game Korean girls the same way. When they tell me they’re… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@The Man – When is the last time you went balls deep in some hot vaj?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@NBTM and Sun – NBTM is likely right but it’s such strong progress and you can still correct. Text her “fuck our wednesday night date, be outside your apt tonight at (whatever time works) and I’ll show you how the white goes solid at night on the highway when you go fast enough.” Ever feel a woman hold you tighter on your bike when you go fast, or hear their squeals of delight? Nothing like it… I did use the “did you tell your friends” line once though. It was after breaking in an anal virgin that I turned into… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

@Sentient -that’s a good point re going outside for night street game. That particular kiddie club is kind of in the middle of nowhere and there’s nothing for several blocks around, but the Latin place I’m going to later tonight is in a great location for that. I don’t quite feel entitled enough yet to stop girls walking out and down the street as I’ve mostly been doing situational openers at the bar/smoking area or even traffic light..but I need to work on that. Especially since two of the hottest girls in the kiddie club gave me IOIs which I… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I’d rather be with one high value guy than a dozen when I’m younger and none when I’m older.””

Watch what she does, not what she says.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@YaReally, Scribbler and Scray, and and a side note to KFG in regards to Chinatown: I got it out of my system. I was intentionally being a dick for a week. For sport debate. I don’t really behave like this as a personal strategy on an ongoing basis, but I was pushing my edge to learn. Once again, I advanced my mindset and strategy in the last two weeks, as I have done in the last three years. I’m actually not going to continue to be an asshole here. If you want to continue to be an agent of ingroup… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Sorry to address that last comment to Scray, meant Andy.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

Hmmm? Very interesting,ever notice how in life we keep meeting anoying people over and over untill we get over it.It’s like if your brother is a pain in the ass,so you ghost him,now you keep meeting people that remind you of him.Any one else ever experience this phenomenon? when I change the people in my life change,for better or worse. Some thing to be said for LTR’s if we don’t get lost in it we learn acceptance and alot about ourselves.Sometimes it si a struggle shit nobodys perfect. No matter where you go there you are. No this isn’t the… Read more »

The Man
The Man
6 years ago

“When is the last time you went balls deep in some hot vaj?” Scrib – It’s been awhile. Not cause I can’t get any. I don’t even try and I get IOI and I guess what you call women qualifying themselves to me. I’ve been invited on out of country trips by women, at their expense (but didn’t go). I guess I got a lot of natural confidence that is probably attractive or something (like this has flourished big time by not being in a relationship lately – funny enough). Maybe I also get IOI (in social circle) cause I’m… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Okay. I’m gonna try to weigh in on the ” Old man/ Younger guy ” thing. I will try to be clear as I can…lol… So bear with me. If anyone would’ve told me that I was gonna still be around, and healthy ( knock wood ) at 55 when I was 20, I would’ve told them that they were crazy. I’m ‘ old “, yet I really don’t feel that way at all. I have striven… is that even a real word??? I strived to learn all that I could about everything there was to learn. I always had… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Emilyyyyyyyy – So if you were looking for a high value man, why were you living with a college kid who was basically still a boy? It’s a rhetorical question… You did so because he was a man you could dominate, because as a young women in today’s society you have been convinced (falsely) that you actually are powerful and capable of anything. A fully realized man would treat you like the girl that you are, and value you basically for sex and partnership in building a family and a home. You have been brainwashed that you are good for… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@The Man – I read the first line – yeah, I know it’s been a while. I didn’t read the rest of your comment, as I don’t read most anything you say. Here’s some sound advice – shut the fuck up and go get laid. You really need it.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

I have this theory,opposite of the movie flatliners,with the 100 levels of unconscious,there are infinite levels of awareness.Life as a human being is about growth,physical ,mental ,insight and spiritual.All the people places and things are in place to promote this growth at all times.As understanding grows so does awareness.And until I learn to navigate the current conditions things will remain the same,as in ground hog day.The only thing constant is change,accept things take appropriate action and move on.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“Not sure if all girls are red pill” All girls have a sexual strategy, well versed and covert in red pill praxeology. It is natural and coded by DNA, epigenetics and the FI social conventions. Women are naturals in red pill strategy. The debate is whether they dare to admit it to themselves or to men in the manosphere, but is not really debatable that women are the choosers and men are the displayers. The sex with the better power is the one who needs the other less. No girl doesn’t understand instinctually that eggs are expensive and sperm and… Read more »

Jennifer
Jennifer
6 years ago

Scribbleberg says: You did so because he was a man you could dominate, because as a young women in today’s society you have been convinced (falsely) that you actually are powerful and capable of anything. A fully realized man would treat you like the girl that you are, and value you basically for sex and partnership in building a family and a home. You have been brainwashed that you are good for something else more, but it’s not true. Stop pretending to us, yourself and everyone else that you’ve got any kind of sane sense of who you are or… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“Not everyone of a certain age will use the same methods though, and for my part I’m pretty certain SJF intended no malice” I was always socially apt, up until the point i was socially inept. I never had any guidance and was self taught. I’m still a work in progress. I was always great at what I did, but at the same time sucked at giving a shit in relating well. I don’t suck at relating today in real life. I’m having fun, have agency and have peace of mind. Mea culpa is not weakness, it is celebration of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago
stuffinbox
6 years ago

These young guys Ems age,it is as if they were raised to slaughter,”the greatest thing they can do is give there life for another” Really? They have been conditioned to fuck off and die.This is not conducive to commitment.Why commit to fuck off and die?Lets go sniff some coke of a party girls collar bone,why not?I love the experience,bros before homes,I only think that most guys start gaining experience too fn late in life,and now you think they ought to settle down and commit.Get real,let a man taste freedom,at least once.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

he he heee….

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Stuff

Hey man.

Lol, I engage Em long enough to type ” go fuck yourself “.

Of course… I’d never say it to her face…

Bwaahahahhha hahahahaaaaaa

Jennifer
Jennifer
6 years ago

Blax, I like the photograph you shared with the group.

Is it symbolic of the experience your phallus endures when your wife or girlfriend puts you in your place; or is it an actual physical representation of *what they do* to your phallus to insure that you toe the line?

stuffinbox
6 years ago

Blax

This snatch Jennifer looks like a new chatbott.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

What kind of cookies are they serving?

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Good call Stuffinbox.

The asterisks give it away.

@ All

The indomitable spirit of you guys is great. Keep it up. It is the masculine spirit. And Game Spirit.

(Adjective) Impossible to subdue or defeat.

Synonyms: invincible, unconquerable, unbeatable, unassailable, invulnerable, unshakable, unsinkable.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Jennifer – Please, do tell us of your powerful life. Please tell us how your femcentric relationships go. I’m all ears. However, I live in the real world where women running shit is a disaster, so just beware. Just go to any public school and see the kind of maladministration going on – all of them are run by women. Go to your local non-profit, invariably it’s run by women and it’s a complete joke – I know, I worked with a bunch of them and was stunned to find that their primary purpose was to provide sinecures for women… Read more »

The Man
The Man
6 years ago

Scrib – “as I don’t read most anything you say.” haha – either you got a problem with the truth, or ….. you don’t prescribe to your own preaching man. Either way – not showing yourself up too well buddy – eh? Lotsa incongruence showing with you Mr Scrib.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

My wrinkly old wife just took off her over the shoulder boulder holder,damn if it doesn’t look like she’s had open heart surgery!
I gotsta get me some of that now.
Later

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’ve never seen anyone do this unless they were a chatbot or a die hard reddit non-red pill subscriber.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

I think Jennifer still lives with her parents. @The Man – Lol, you trying to put me in my place is like a chipmunk trying to fuck a rhino, son. I eat peons like you for breakfast and shit them out before lunch. I don’t read your commentary cuz it’s shit. Mental masturbation is only fun for the one getting his rocks off, not for those who have to watch such pathetic self absorption. You aren’t misunderstood, you are full of shit. I know, you’ll never get that, but it’s true. You may recall I did you the grace a… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@NBTM You worry too much. Sometimes women *gasp* actually have jobs. She told me about all the days she had to work before I picked a day. Just mentioning weekend I got a list of days then a super fast response when I mentioned a day outside of those. Some of you guys, I swear. You worry too much about projecting “Alpha” and not enough about just taking a pace that lets you enjoy the Game. I guarantee you I’ve got her on lock. Might be a three date instead of a two if I don’t push enough on our… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

re: OP FR from the LTR tonight. She messages me asking me if I’m her boyfriend. I reply, “This again?” She blows up. “What the fuck Softek.” I tongue in cheek reply, “Okay. I’m your boyfriend.” She goes, “oh, thanks, that’s really fucking nice.” Before this all started I said I was gonna stay over tonight. She seems to calm down a bit and asks me if I’m still coming over. I’m just like, yeah. (been ignoring Soft Nexting and Hard Nexting completely, I know……where I’m coming from this is still 1,000,000x better than being incel was, hard to deal… Read more »

Zhu Wuneng
Zhu Wuneng
6 years ago

@Softek I’m about to roll out, so I don’t have time for a long comment. Please understand this: you said, “Without her, I don’t have a support network.” And, “Being with her is better than being incel and hopeless.” Both of those statements are bullshit. First, you’ve already seen plenty of testimonials that game works. You can never be incel and hopeless again. At the very worst, you will end up incel and learning to game. That’s hope and it’s infinetly better than the situation you’re in now. Second, she is not a support network. You are a feels cow… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

YaReally Sentient and PUA gang FR from Tuesday shorter session – some street game and the Latin dance club for an hour or so. All solo. Mostly more of the same – some more approaches but nowhere near enough to hit my target of 250 in two weeks. Although I didn’t have that much time to do approaches yesterday but still. This stuff takes practice – definitely an improvement this Blitz Week even in the last few days compared to last month – my opens are much more solid and committed and (almost) all of them open solidly and I’m… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
6 years ago

@softek

“That was enough, apparently, to warrant a verbal onslaught. Which included her shock and awe and RAGE at me that I got up and walked out of her house and drove off without saying anything to her after silently putting up with her BS.”

I’ve done this once to some chick. Never looked back. Felt really good.
Don’t worry about it.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“But this bought an internet tear to my eye.” @Blax lol, thanks man. @The Man I’ll help you any way I can dude. You have to listen though. Also, Scribblerg is right. You need to get laid in a bad way. @Scribblerg “Do you have any idea how different your frame must be for you to have a convo with the wife like that without a bunch of drama?” I’m starting to realize how far I’ve come myself. It’s cool. My wife is so in love with me it’s ridiculous. “You’ll be having “couples nights” soon where you and she… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Bullshit. How about an apology for being a condescending, value sucking, douche? Learn ego control? You haven’t learned shit. Your ego needs to die a horrible death. I wish you knew how pathetic you sound. I’m embarrassed for you. And disappointed. Maybe you should take some time off to empty your fucking cup. You shouldn’t be teaching anyone anything right now.

Ranger
Ranger
6 years ago

So, I finally got to hang out with the cutie I met at the airport. She’d told me then that she was in a LDR, and Id told her how Id done that in the past and that it didnt work out well (it worked out the worst possible way, actually; wanting to bring her closer I proposed, she accepted, and then later proceeded to refuse to fuck me until Id decided I had enough and asked for a divorce). She agreed and said, “yeah, I know, I kinda regret it” Anyway, after some texting and one flake from her… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Andy, I apologize for being a condescending, value sucking, douche. Besides being a condescending douche, what bothers you about me. How am I value sucking? Because I have other values in contrast from yours? Values that I don’t impose on you? That I advocated what’s best for the children. What came across to you–from me– that offended you. I don’t care if you like me, I want you to be the best version of yourself that you can possibly be, including having a good mindset and game skills to get what you want. Did you consider that I’m learning (and… Read more »

Ranger
Ranger
6 years ago

Age may be a factor in her mind also, as I’m 36 and she’s 22. I think our ages are actually well matched, so it doesnt affect how I act, and going by looks she thought I was in my late 20s. Maybe I shouldnt have told her after making her guess.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“How am I value sucking? Because I have other values in contrast from yours?” It has nothing to do with our values being different. You just post shit with the intent to get validation and poof up your ego so you can feel better about yourself because you’re constantly comparing yourself to everyone else. You just sound insecure. “Thou Shalt take my advice as the Holy Word on high as I am S. J. F. 55 year old master of all things masculine and honorable. MY WIFE, The wonderful specimen that she is, says “thank you” for fucking her. Expand… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“There’s no way she’d meet anyone close to me after this.”

lol. seriously?

1 out of every 10 guys she meets will have her on her knees barking like a dog.

1/10 have Chadly pimp hands. and she really doesn’t care which Chad it is because in the end they’re all the same to her. 1/10 are going to fuck her like they just got out of prison

it’s great to be cocksure but no one is irreplaceable

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“It has nothing to do with our values being different. You just post shit with the intent to get validation and poof up your ego so you can feel better about yourself because you’re constantly comparing yourself to everyone else. You just sound insecure.”

Glad I asked. I feel better. I thought it was because I was thought of as boring. Or added no value whatsoever to any thread discussion.

It’s been quite a while since I posted stuff to get validated. Or needed an ego boost.

Thanks for the feedback.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

@fleezer

I kind of meant more like a commitment type of thing. 1/10? Alright, I guess I’ll take your word for it.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Humility is a very overrated Golden Rule type of concept…

YaReally
6 years ago

@Culum Struan Good getting out there. Just putting yourself in those environments helps strengthen your frame and get you used to getting out of your comfort zone, whether you’re slaying poon or not. A lot of guys my age are terrified to go to venues full of HOT YOUNG FUCKABLE POON, because they stay inside their comfort zones and if I take them into those venues they let social conditioning make them feel insecure and they can’t do anything. So by DEFAULT they limit their options to old age-appropriate chicks about to hit the wall, or girls at work they… Read more »

Ranger
Ranger
6 years ago

@yareally So next time I just invite her over? I did set some ASD excuses and laid out some comeback humor for that plan when we were out together, so that might work.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

@ Sun Wukong Not concerned in the least about “projecting alpha”. It doesn’t matter, should matter to no one really. Measuring or comparing the self to an “alpha beta” continuum or any such shallow nonsense framed by someone else or a subculture trope only reflects a lack of self esteem and autonomy. It reflects a lack of self awareness and the realization of personal ability. People get concerned with such things because they fear they don’t measure up to such false evaluations. Alpha beta is a useful analogy for describing the dynamic, but it is a poor measure of any… Read more »

Throughfare
Throughfare
6 years ago

Andy- you’re on the right track, man. keep up the good work. The Man- “I really like Tyler’s secret society article. It’s a masterpiece. I gotta admit I haven’t been following these RSD guys. I think that is what I need to do now, to see more of what I need to see, to do this right (you know – according to my other convictions – like the importance of fair-mindedness, compassion, self-respect, mutual respect, seeking the many perspectives, appreciation for the golden rule, etc. etc.). I’m starting to realize that Rollo’s, CH’s, Rok’s, Krauser’s, and Roosh’s messages are not… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

@YaReally

“You’ll be fine from here.”

I think I will be. Thanks a ton man. And everyone here has helped me. Yes, even you SJF. (don’t make me regret saying that) Thanks to you all.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Culum As I was going home Tuesday something “clicked” in my head about the whole thing – it’s a useful mental model to have (Charlie Munger style) to just think of this in terms of energy projection – all I’m trying to do in any/all interactions is have strong energy and project that energy into the girl (or indeed guys, but it just won’t be sexual with them). If I just think in terms of having strong positive energy and trying to project it/share it with people (without necessarily having an outcome in mind or being totally goal-focussed), a lot… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Softek Yareally If you verbalize being your boyfriend (because you already ARE her boyfriend, she just wants you to SAY it so she knows how much abuse you’ll put up with), you will have taught her that the way to get what she wants with you is to just be as shitty and naggy as possible for as long as possible until you finally cave because you have too much scarcity to leave her for real (not just walking out and then coming back next week to cuddle her when she’s upset). And once you’ve set that pattern she’ll just… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago
SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Sentient Killing the ego is a very good on the way to Mastery. After you are masterful, it needs to be calibrated if necessary or you desire to, to meet align with your target (as I have been told in this thread–and I get it). After becoming Passionate, Dynamic and Authentic (Unconscious Competence) then The Platinum Rule allows for ego, because……, well, it is do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it. As in: https://illimitablemen.com/2016/07/17/how-to-use-your-ego/ Read the full article in the above for context. If you are not very good at something and want to get… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

This Board: Act 6, Part 2

SCENE: THE THRONE ROOM

YaReally:

O SJF,–

SJF:

Hence! wilt thou lift up Olympus?

Scribblerg:

Great SJF,–

SJF:

Doth not Scribblerg bootless kneel?

Sentient:

Speak, hands for me!

SENTIENT first, then the other Conspirators and SCRIBBLERG stab SJF

SJF:

Et tu, Scribblerg! Then fall, SJF.

Dies

YaReally:

Liberty! Freedom! Tyranny is dead!
Run hence, proclaim, cry it about the streets.

YaReally:

Some to the common pulpits, and cry out
‘Liberty, freedom, and enfranchisement!’

Scribblerg:

People and senators, be not affrighted;
Fly not; stand stiff: ambition’s debt is paid….

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

“Hence! wilt thou lift up Blaximus?”

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

LOLOLOL@Forge the Sky. Heh

digireaper
digireaper
6 years ago

Last weekend I didn’t went out sarging at night, but I went with my friends and other people to a house in the beach. Most people were friends of my best buddy’s girlfriend, and I noticed that most of those people didn’t know each other, so they divided themselves in small groups, we barely have huge convos together in a big group, only when it was time to eat, and even then we didn’t engage each other that much. It made me realize that the majority of people don’t have mad social skills. I did my best to try to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Digi

” she asks me out of nowhere “hey digi, when are you going to take me out to party!”,”

“or it is some delusional dumb overanalytical shit that I came up with.”

What is confusing about this? what was your “analysis” about her asking you to ask her out?

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Digi

” I got really confused in this one, there were guys bigger and more muscular than me, and this girl just approached me? WTF…”

You spoke with her before… she gave you a bunch of IOI’s and a chance to DO something.

cattaro
cattaro
6 years ago

@Rollo You had told many times that you give tool and knowledge for man and not some final receipts and scripts. I was again throw your older texts like Feral and Why bother, reading about your experiences and about experience of some to you closest people. You had told many times that you are man with good wealth, in good mental and physical condition, lesser alpha. Also that you are well aware of hypergamy condition that can push to action every women under proper circumstances and that you would not engage in new marriage. My question is: Do you live… Read more »

Nudiam0ndz
Nudiam0ndz
6 years ago

@Blax Excellent list of 10 qualities. Shit should be enshrined in some kind of motivational poster for errant Blue Pillers Seriously though, very concise list. I’m tempted to post it on my Facebook lol. @Ya I see you breaking down, in a clearly reasoned step by step way, why not to get married… most likely Big Al, like Soft(Strong)Tek and his shit relationship won’t be swayed by logic, because its about feels/emotions and ego-investment for them two. @Big Al Go ahead and roll the dice my dude, you have probably a lot more awareness than most of us here did… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@fleezer

“it’s great to be cocksure but no one is irreplaceable”

…. not according to my ex wife. lol.

mersonia
6 years ago

@Nudiamondz “Go ahead and roll the dice my dude, you have probably a lot more awareness than most of us here did going into it. Report back in a couple of years on how it’s going. Tbh I try not let others tell me what to do or think and neither should you, who the fuck knows what the future holds you know? My only beef is you’re in your 20s when you’re making this quite fundamentally life altering decision.. that, (to me) is too young. Guys stop being so pessimistic..” Google Translate Lel go fuck up your life but… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Guys stop being so pessimistic..”

. . . one of the cartridges might be a blank.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Digi ANY female to male interest should register to you as GIRL IS INTO ME… for a couple of reasons… first it’s the girls job to stand there and wait for a guy to DO something, so if she is breaking this protocol it’s because she really is into you. Second and more importantly perhaps, you can only GAIN by assuming so, if she does like you and you act like you think she likes you it will advance the interaction… if she didn’t like you and you ACT like she likes you, it will advance the interaction (i.e. your… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Micro FR – HB8 LInkedIn chick keeps calling and talking. DHVing again, moved out of comfort.Sexualizing a little bit, and also made this statement after asking her advice and her giving me some great advice about something. “You are going to be great for me”, assuming the relationship. She went along without objecting. Keeping it short and sweet and focusing on other shit. Will see her tomorrow night and kino, sexualize and escalate. Logistics will be handled on site, and if I can’t fuck her at her place, I’ll close for her to come my place on Sunday. I’m busy… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Rollo…or everyone I don’t think that women are more sexual by a longshot. But I also think that a part of the disconnect for many men, is that most men don’t even understand or realize how sexual they are in their own right ( rite? ). That initial ” sugar and spice ” bullshit is hard to kill. Women play to that notion as well, especially when hubby hunting. Imo ( no study handy to back this up, just experience ), women’s sex drive is ignited more inside their minds. It is possible to goad a chick into a… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Nudiam0ndz

Thank you sir.

hank holiday
hank holiday
6 years ago

@digireaper yaya, those are IOIs. Esp girl at work. Those were some pretty serious IOIs. Thing is, you gotta train yourself to recognize them and then act on them. You have to believe in your own value to believe in the IOIs. The other thing that will mess you up is the fact that girls have windows. So if you wait too long or DLV to much, she can loose all attraction to you. So she won’t give you IOIs anymore. Which makes you feel like “whelp, she never liked me at all. guess those werent IOIs” but they WERE… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Blax That initial ” sugar and spice ” bullshit is hard to kill. Women play to that notion as well, especially when hubby hunting. It starts with sex ed classes. “Men use love to get sex. Women use sex to get love.” I remember it being stated exactly that way in middle school. Notice the pejorative use of language to cast men as sexual dogs and women as loving angels. Wanting love good, wanting sex evil. Honest language would be: “Men use provisioning to get sex. Women use sex to get provisioning.” Now we realize there’s two human beings acting… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Forge the Sky July 27th, 2016 at 11:34 am LOL You left this out of that scene–Scribbler’s speech in his defense: Be patient till the last. Redpillers, Gamers, and Lovers! Hear me for my cause, and be silent that you may hear. Believe me for mine honor, and have respect to mine honor that you may believe. Censure me in your wisdom, and awake your senses that you may the better judge. If there be any in this assembly, any dear friend of SJF’s, to him I say that Scribbler’s love to SJF was no less than his. If then… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

And I posted this before reading YaReally’s advice. Hmmmm, for some reason it feels “try hard” to get the hotel room. But it actually would be great. Hmmm

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Sun –

Running away from the truth does not change it or lessen its effect.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

Really? After the requirement for spoon feeding the young ones has been carefully laid out multiple times?

Here we go:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=86s&v=J7qYAcZzK18

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@NBTM

You’ve shown numerous times that you wouldn’t know the truth if it stood on your chest screaming the Unified Theory of Everything at you. You’ll have to pardon me if I choose to ignore your opinions.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sun ” Now we realize there’s two human beings acting in their own self-interest in such a way that should generally be mutually beneficial. Less bitterness by everybody, and a willingness to do what it takes to win due to a long hard look at reality. Honestly it’s a big part of why I feel chilled out these days. Now that I’m honest about everybody’s motivations, I’m more able to accommodate what women want while not being ashamed of my own desires. Each approach with that idea in mind reminds me that there’s nothing wrong with approaching her and… Read more »

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