The Princess Experience

 

 

‘Fallen Princesses’ –  photographer Dina Goldstein

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

505 comments on “The Princess Experience


  1. Anonymous Reader, there are places where you can eat fried ice cream.

    Yeah, but where can you eat fried ice? Just heap that crushed ice up on the grill, fry it nice and hot…but don’t you dare let it melt! No! Then it won’t be ice anymore!

  2. In the same vein as fried ice, you really shouldn’t take selfies while fire walking at a Tony Robbins seminar in Dallas. (ref. todays news).

    “From my observation, there was someone in front of us and someone behind us on their cell phone, taking selfies and taking pictures,” said Jacqueline Luxemberg, who completed the fire walk. “[She asked others] to video record for her, so I think that that has a lot to do with it.”

    As if the fried ice just happens magically, or someone else does the walking over coals for you.

    At least fried ice cream has a buffer of cake batter around it, so I think that has a lot to do with it.

  3. “But my first ex of 2 years? I can barely remember her face anymore (which surprised me) and most of that 2 years is just a hazy blur of hours and hours of watching movies and eating out and just doing mundane things”

    that’s fucking horrible.

    my first ex? I remember it all. because the time was limited. what’s a kid’s curfew when his parents are driving him around? like 10 if he’s lucky. there was always a countdown clock. there were serious consequences for getting “caught”. looking back, those are keys to good tension and therefore good release.

    I don’t think we ate a single meal together. not one. I can’t remember seeing her chew anything. not even a snack. I have no idea what she ate or if she ate.

    and there was no time for mundane things. every moment we had together meant our hands in each others pants. blowjobs. fucking. running “errands”? lol. I went clothes shopping with her once. I remember because some cunt made a big deal that I was in the ladies’ dressing room with her and I got thrown out of the store.

    the first time I saw her shaved pussy. vivid as fuck. first time she swallowed. fingering her on a roller coaster. the way she always wore satin panties. or none. the way she smelled. how soft her skin was. how good her pussy tasted. this shit is seared into my brain. all of it good.

    watching movies? lol. I remember a few times renting a movie we said we were going to watch. we never even opened the case.

    parents: “how was the movie”

    us: “uh. good.”

    first impressions are lasting. for me, girls meant sex. the thought of wasting countless hours watching netflix and smelling her frumpy pajama farts after she binged on some nasty take out is insane.

    I believe in magic because that’s what I experienced. I never thought about it until now, but I’ve never been in an ltr with a girl who was over 20 and didn’t live with her family.

    that’s probably why I’m pro ltr. because they were with hot teens. totally unrealistic and basically all good. so good in fact that I never left the last one. I was just eating mushrooms and going to concerts and getting blowjobs and that’s how I remember single life. it was awesome. my girlfriends were all awesome. they never gave me shit. never asked me for anything. that’s how my wife is to this day. basically I never left 1998 and I didn’t have to because girls are girls and game is game. their old wiring hasn’t changed at all so the fact that I don’t text or facebook or tweet makes no difference when it comes to sex.

    the idea of “dating” a 25 year old single girl is something I’ve never really considered. putting up with shit like softek puts up with is unbelievable to me. how anyone could view them as good for anything but sex I have no clue. every time I walk into one of their places I look around and think “this is how you live?”

    in college it was okay because they lived in dorms or college apartments and everybody lived like that so I never thought about it and I just wanted to screw. but seeing them years later, with their stupid roommates and take out containers and empty refrigerators and piles of laundry is just sad.

    I really can’t believe that guys would text with them during the day, or listen to their bullshit, or pay to take them out.

    I’m starting to realize I live in a fucking bubble and that my experience with girls being awesome sweet horny ltr blowjob queen unicorns is in no way relevant to a single guy’s life today and if I had to really consider getting into an ltr with one of these girls I see a few times or sometimes just once I’d fucking puke.

    Rollo is right. Don’t get married. Ya is right. fuckbuddies only.

  4. @Rollo

    To me this video illustrates the sense of entitlement women in the west may experience from a young age.

    Being married my self I can attest that this sense of entitlement including a “husband” being expected to put up with lack of sexual desire is common. Therefore I tell all men and would advise my younger self to live in their own reality alone and experience true singular self reliance before settling on an LTR, this is better because men get a much improved level of self confidence and are less “needy” when dealing with women and their wives.

    D Man

  5. Like scray or myself or Julien would plow through this chick’s frame and get her emotionally reacting

    None of you would even reach hook point with a girl like this. Maybe Julien. But find me any RSD daygame video where they show verbal dexterity on the level of Krauser or Torero (Madison looks like he’s mature and chill but still its the same level of skill as Krauser). Not Max, not Julien, not Tyler and sure as shit not Todd. You don’t know what your talking about when it comes to daygame. You wouldn’t know the first thing about doing a street stop of a moving target in a large cosmopolitan city.

    And as for North American daygame, if you check out Honest Signalz (Vadim) or his protege you will see comparable level of skill to Nick and Tom. In fact I would say that Nick’s skill is too good for North American women because they have been dumbed down so much because of the Left’s domination of the culture and educational system. Torero was just in NYC a month ago and he had great success in NYC with the same type of game. He is filming his own daygame product using footage from all around the world. There is little difference among the girls.

    But here is where I will partially agree with you. For gaming North American women I still think that Justin Wayne’s system is the best I’ve seen. He minimizes verbals and stresses physical escalation. IMO, Justin and Deepak Wayne are offering the best overall daygame system out there. Better than anything you’ll see the RSD guys do and better for younger men than the London Daygame Models. But Nick and Tom and Deepak and Justin all have comparable numbers when you analyze it. At that level it all comes out even.

    And for the love of Jesus or whatever god you want please stop arguing that Nick’s daygame system would be useless in a nightclub. HE KNOWS THAT! Its not designed for night game. RSD’s view that daygame is nightgame during the day is WRONG. There are no AMOGs in daygame (baring exception). Its a solo sport with an entirely different psychological frame of reference. Applying Mystery’s micro-system for daygame is retarded.

    Jesus fucking Christ dude. Whatever PUA cred you may have once had is shot. You’ve shown stupidity on an epic scale with your looks-don’t-matter and 90-10 and betas-get-no-sex crap. You and Scray are PUA retards. Really (YaReally), I don’t even read through you posts anymore because they’re pure shit. I just read this because you were talking about Nick.

  6. Grease is the cleanest absorbing and cleanest burning stuff you can put in your body.

    It’s fiber that causes gas. It’s a by product of bacterial fermentation in your gut, the only way you have to break the stuff down.

    The vegan propaganda is exactly backwards. Meat and fat are fully liquified in the stomach and fully absorbed in the first foot of the intestine. It’s vegetable matter that hangs around rotting in your gut.

    Junk food is often full of fiber, because it’s nearly as cheap as dirt.

  7. Sex blogger who took a year-long vow of abstinence to find Mr Right BREAKS IT after just 110 days with a one night stand – and says it’s the best thing she’s ever done

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3656976/Sex-blogger-took-vow-abstinence-Mr-Right-breaks-110-days-one-night-stand.html

    Blogger is blasted over her ‘outdated’ advice for a happy marriage as she urges women to ‘do your housework cheerfully’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3658115/Blogger-blasted-sharing-outdated-advice-happy-marriage.html

  8. Sex blogger who took a year-long vow of abstinence to find Mr Right BREAKS IT after just 110 days with a one night stand – and says it’s the best thing she’s ever done

    She’s 29. Looks a bit older. Rollo could write the whole article in his sleep, it’s that predictable.

    Blogger is blasted over her ‘outdated’ advice for a happy marriage as she urges women to ‘do your housework cheerfully’

    Not a surprise. We swim in a sea of feminism. Impressive that she’s in California, more so that she refuses to back down from the flying monkies.
    Hey, Emily…nah, nevermind.

  9. @Emily

    Serious question, do you do these things because you ‘get pussy’ or because you actually enjoy them

    I go to board game meetups because I’ve always enjoyed board games. I’m well aware that I can kill two birds with one stone and maybe slay a pussy as well….

    Funny, yesterday a girl at the meetup was sending mixed messages. In the past, she’s smiled and caught my eye, but when I arrived she was out on the patio on her phone when I approached. She said, “I’m good. The other guys are in the back.” Translation: “Move along and leave me alone.” Then later, she sat by me in a game and caught my eye and smiled again as I was leaving. Mixed messages. I interpreted them later as 1) you look like a good option, 2) I have another more promising option right now, and 3) my other option bailed and you look like a good option again. Windows of opportunity. I didn’t figure out what was going on until today. Now she’ll probably figure out that I’m only “on the market” briefly since I didn’t follow up on her invitation.

  10. Further notes on why Chad the Alpha failed on the Bachelorette Princess show:

    He was a prize for JoJHo.

    But, in real life he could’ve and probably would’ve had Abundance Mentality and Outcome Independence. On the show this was impossible for his ‘roid brain due to the limitations of the show, the rules of the game.

    Domain Dependence was his nemesis.

    https://therationalmale.com/2014/12/23/domain-dependence/

    But Chad did not have abundance mentality. How could he? There were 26 men studs and only one of her, and she had the power to choose him only at the end of the show. He couldn’t muster abundance mentality due to his mindset and the limitations of the staged mating show

    Abundance mentality is that sex, and for that matter everything you do, you do for yourself and the object of your affections chooses whether she goes along for the ride or not.

    He also didn’t have Outcome independence.

    OI is YOU offering someone the chance to come along for the ride. You are going regardless of their acceptance or not. OI is going through life without seeking validation from anyone.

    Chad had no where else to go and nothing else to do except isolate himself from the rest of the guys and implode. And implode he did in spectacular fashion.

    Once again, I’m not advocating for actually watching the show, but it illustrated why Chad was unsuccessful in mind-set. He could have slayed all the other men properly with the proper mindset and better than adolescent social skills. He walked around butt-hurt pretty much the whole show.

    H/T to married red pill post on Outcome independence, Abundance Mentality and how being butt hurt is your biggest enemy.

    This is one of the best posts I have read in the last three years describing this mind-set and it applies across all relationship platforms and all daily interactions. I simply cannot refrain from posting this:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4plzix/on_oi_abundance_mentality_and_how_being_butt_hurt/?ref=share&ref_source=link

    I don’t know if the above will do the reddit thing in my past links and show the whole post via wordpress formattion so I apologize in advance if the following last part is redundant:

    How to get Abundance Mentality and OI and not be butt hurt:

    As has been said a lot by SPT the last couple of weeks. We are building men here. In order to become a real man you first have to realize what it means to be a real man. A real man is a beast of burden. He shoulders the responsibilities of his life and his family. He takes control of his surroundings because that is his fucking job as the man of the house. A real man does this by shouldering the weight because he is the man, the father and the husband of his household. NOT because he is a bully that wants his own way and try to enforce that by demand. He seeks no validation for the things he do. He simply does it because it has to get done and he is the man.

    A real man, is secure enough in himself not to care about what other people say or think about him. He chooses his path and follows without falter. If your conviction is strong enough other people will follow your vision and your path without question. YOU HAVE TO OWN YOUR SHIT.
    You get there by learning, by growing, by continues improvement. Not by sitting in front of the fucking t.v. smoking weed and playing xbox. The modern world has provided us with all the things we need to become fuckhole weaktards. If you want to be a man that grows and evolves you HAVE to do shit that adds value to your own life. By default you add value to other peoples lives.

    High value men are a sought-after commodity. And once you are getting to that top percentile of desirable men you start to get abundance mentality.
    When you have serious shit to do for yourself, for your own improvement, because you see a need somewhere and react to it. When you are constantly out and about growing, learning, giving value, you start to get outcome independence.

    And when you have these two licked, you have option, you don’t get butt hurt by any setback. not at work, not in life, and not from your wife rejecting your advances. And then you will have the mental capacity to clearly look at why something happened to you, see the real reason, and then get to a real solution. And you grow from there.

    In the beginning you have to fake it sometimes, but success will lead to more success, will lead to true DNGAF.

  11. “This was before internet porn could label it as cuckolding him.”

    But several hundred years after the vernacular did.
    Just because you haven’t seen it on the Internet, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  12. @Redlight

    @asd

    she is playing games with you

    Girls always like to play games. Maybe she’s interested, maybe not.

    I suppose it’s possible that her eyeflirting was a ruse, but I was DHVing all night.

    1) Early on, I flirted with 3 girls within one minute…low-key social circle stuff (preselection & social proof)

    2) I chatted up the host, who is very socially competent, (social proof)

    3) I invited the girl to sit next to me and she did, (compliance)

    4) I didn’t chase the girl when she opted out of watching a game with me,

    5) I left the meetup twice to talk on the phone outside, (preselection & Dread)

    6) I left the meetup early…before the girl did.

    I don’t know how to tell you about the smile in order to persuade you, but it was genuine and with desire and a little bashful. This girl has a rangy, tomboy build and those types often find me desirable. Short hair, which I don’t like, and a face that is more handsome than pretty. Feminine subcomms. I find her charming despite her tomboyishness.

  13. @asd

    Sorry! She’s a bored gamer, you have to clue her into the risk, she doesn’t have a monopoly on you, while her messages are scrabbled, this isn’t settled yet.

  14. @redlight

    All’s fair in love and War! She could be a romance Saboteur or she could have high levels of Resistance. This flirting is Drakon out. If I had One Night…this certainly is no Avalon.

  15. Rollo – you make some good points in this “Crisis Of Motive” article…… we are influenced by the conditions around us …. this is inescapable, and the desire to have one’s sexual needs fulfilled in more and more sublime ways is only natural, …. and of course the POV of women seems to play a big part wrt the provision of that (it takes two to tango after all).

    Here is the thing that I am considering though ……. I think that in the end, by way of the man emphasizing some consideration for the women’s POV in these matters, is not as helpful is one would at first think. It seems to me that “nature” as somehow “designed” it that way. Like I was saying in my comments near the end of the last thread, the female attraction for the masculine is subliminal, organic and spontaneous, and so for the women, it kinda is like a magical fairy tale, they don’t know what they know …..like the elements that fire their attraction for the masculine are not consciously available enough to them to allow for female critical examination of what exactly it is about the masculine traits, or constellation of masculine traits, that provide for said attraction (that’s why that can’t say what it is because they don’t actually know – all they know is they feel it when it is there). However, I think that “nature” has allowed for a symmetry in this respect nevertheless, that works more on the subliminal level, and plays to the evolutionary “virtue” of female’s selecting well, by way of the “victors” and “respected men” of the competitions and cooperations that men undertake among men – which ultimately leads to ironclad confidences upheld by various male personal matrixes of personal convictions (as I explained in the last thread) – in the end – if everything operates as “nature” has “intended” – the best matrix of personal convictions is rewarded by way of the masculine consensus, and therefore, by way of the increased personal confidence, but also rewarded by way of female attraction as well.

    If you buy this – the take away message is …… well ….. don’t worry too much about the role women play wrt their POV, wrt attraction for the masculine, because addressing that directly really does you no good wrt success with women (except perhaps if one could fake it well enough, by way of “gaming a display of ironclad confidence”). Now here is the extraordinary thing about this line of reasoning ……. it helps a man take this aloof attitude that seems to be so important wrt men’s interactions with women – this line of reasoning implies that zfg is really the only choice. A man may still seek mutual respect with a woman, but this should and will have nothing at all to do with his motivations for fueling her desire for him. He may pursue this mutual respect for his own other interests, and actually is rather foolish not to see the pragmatism wrt this many-perspective-seeking strategy. This many-perspective-seeking strategy should allow for “closer to truth” convictions to be considered and developed, that ultimately is the man’s only authentic endeavor available to him anyway. Success here should therefore bring with it the many fruits of a bountiful life, but …… the thing is …… what about consideration for the converse of that …. does seeking the fruits of the bountiful life first and foremost (for instance by way of gaming a display of ironclad confidence) , then downstream, bring ironclad confidence based in the authenticity of life-tested masculine personal convictions? No it wouldn’t – would it? That would be illogical. Does that therefore imply that ordering one’s focus, as a man, as such (i.e. – seeking the fruits of the bountiful life first and foremost) is most likely to bring the man a crisis of confidence at some point, as his life proceeds?

  16. “A man may still seek mutual respect with a woman, but this . . .”

    . . . will cause her to perceive him as no better than herself.

  17. @YaReally

    1) Finally finished your archive. Now I will leave the basement and talk to my first girl ever…lol.

    Naw, been in the game a minute. I really do not understand how guys can swallow all of this theory about hypergamy and feminine imperative – yet you get all this resistance on solid pick up advice. It boggles my mind. Going through your archives the # of non-believers, heathens, pagans, and infidels is astonishing. The muscle debate was probably the worst one.

    2) RE: Sauerkraut – There’s no real point in reading Krauser’s DayGame Mastery. He explains his model, and goes into detail on how he selects his chicks. It’s basically a sniper game. Tourists and ESL chicks in London.

    According to them London Boys, British women are so fat and disagreeable that any self respecting man would stick with banging Polish immigrants. I just can’t believe that personally. We have the same Walrus/Manatee syndromes in America, and I can find a dozen thin young attractive women on any given day. You’d think with the proper level of game, they’d be able to start going to the posh parties and meeting the chicks that the “Alphas” are keeping to themselves. I can’t call it.

    Everything else is instadate and use logistics to get the bang. There are much better resources on that around the web.

    So in addition to sniper game, scoping out the perfect chick, there’s a bit of Green Card sub-game going on as well.

    That being said chicks from developing/poor countries are more open to guys with provisioning game – but that’s certainly not the side of the r/K dynamic (lol at that BS). But being from poor countries, you should expect a chick to be FAR MORE MERCENARY. Olga and Mariya don’t have the education and language skills to make money of their own, so they will truly use their feminine wiles. Plenty of guys that met their mail order brides “at home” deal with this sort of BS. Gotta friend that married a Fresh off the Boat South East Asian. Very first date he got the blowjob of his life. 6 months they were wed. 15 years of marriage, 2 kids, that was the ONLY blow job he ever got from her. Deadbedroom, firmly beta. I doubt that she’s out there looking for another branch to swing to, and they’re objectively “happy” – but no man would consider that a truly good situation.

    By contrast, with today’s Western “Independent Woman” – she will make her own money, have her own place, and make use of provisioning from betas when she fancies. You hit her sub-comms like a player should and she turns from quiet accountant into Veronica Avluv.

    Which brings me to my real questions

    3) How have/would solid PUA guys run proper game when they don’t speak the language. The short answer is working on the sub-comm’s through action and kino. Laser eye contact works in every language. When you talk about hard-wiring that’s something you can do in Bali. Belarus and Balitmore.

    In that Liam McCrae video he actually goes through a scenario with an ESL chick in some cold Eastern European place where he opens his jacket up and lets a chick warm up in his embrace for a while. Of course that built massive attraction and comfort all at the same time, even though they couldn’t have conversational rapport.

    But I’m wondering how he got her to that point that she wants to hug him inside of his jacket?

    Are there any RSD/known guy videos that are running solid ESL game?

    Hopefully you have the “hundreds of videos” that you’re always promising the skeptics.

    4) Aside from the OG Mystery Method seminar, Love Bullets, the Tyler Digest, are there any collected and organized books on the intermediate game/technical game?

    I’m slowly sifting through sed-fast (while i’m at work) for Gems – and it’s really slow going. I haven’t found much that was as good as the above.

    5) Resting Bitch Face

    So I see this chick at the local eatery, Daisy Dukes

    BS is wearing flipflops, “Daisy Dukes”, sunglasses and is in love with her phone.

    Looks like a job for….

    But her “Don’t talk to me, you’re not gonna get anywhere” face is on 10. Normally chicks are neutral, slightly negative, occassionally positive. Externally I don’t have the social context like a club or a bar.

    Raw Day Game, I’m going to interrupt you and your thought process, KNOWING that you don’t want to be interrupted.

    This has to come up all the time, but I don’t have the right search terms to find where guys have figured out how to deal with this.

    6) Daisy Dukes part 2

    So as I’m finishing my meal, an old guy steps up to her. And she’s of course not trying to hear it.

    Is the play here to
    – Run up, amog, and use him as a pawn?
    – Wait for him to fizzle out, and run clean up game?

  18. @SJF
    “Hence the need for balance to avoid addiction in the long run.”

    I don’t know, I mean I’d LOVE to be addicted to “eating healthy” lol Or “being a positive person”. Not all addictions are bad, just the ones that come with potential downsides, like losing all your money gambling, or splatting on the ground skydiving, etc

    “Not seeking the ultimate high over and over because that ultimate high ultimately fails to give you the high. That is just how the brain works. It is normal.”

    I dunno, all other hobbies seem boring compared to sarging. There’s so much that goes on in cold approach pickup on so many levels that it’s way more rewarding to me than other hobbies. It’s not just the P in V part of it, but all the other internal and external rewards that come with pushing yourself infield. And there’s no real downside to it. If I wanted a monoLTR or kids right now, there’d be downside, but otherwise there really isn’t one. Potentially running into crazy bitches maybe lol

    “Exactly. Focusing on your mission and mastering it. That is the thing to do.”

    It’s not getting me pussy though. Like, it’s cool that I have a mission right now, and I’ll succeed in that area, but no new girls are dropping into the office going “wow you work hard, can I suck your dick??” So if a guy’s goal is to learn to get women then he should hyperfocus on that, fuck all the balance stuff, till he’s got that at a level he’s happy with and then he can balance it out if he wants.

    No one would say “hey man, quit eating healthy, have some junk food this week, you gotta have a balance!” lol “Hey dude, quit saving your money responsibly for the future, just buy a brand new TV or something frivolous and irresponsible, you gotta have a balance!”

    But when it comes to chasing girls everyone’s all “you can’t do that all the time!! That’s unhealthy, you need to balance it out by climbing a mountain!!” and it’s like, well, WHY exactly? lol If you have the women thing handled and you’re not having FUN sarging, then sure, go balance it out. But if you’re enjoying it and you’re doing it sober without blowing a bunch of money etc, I dunno, I say go have fun. And if your goals change to where you want career success, then focus on that instead of pussy. And then if you want pussy again, focus on that. Once my career goals are achieved I plan to throw myself back into hardcore sarging.

    “I know guys that aren’t just chilling at the fire, they are actually accomplishing something tribal, with a goal in mind. They are doing this:”

    Thing is like, maybe you and your buddies are doing that. Maybe you guys have just never met shitty guys who have nothing going for them and don’t care and just numb themselves with xbox and Netflix all day, working shitty jobs they hate and complain about 24/7, married/settled with fat chicks who’ve let themselves go and just nag them, etc etc But those guys aren’t accomplishing tribal functions. They’re just “my girlfriend wanted to come yap with your girlfriend and now we have to hang out in front of the TV while I tell you why I love this sports team so much and how it’s bullshit they traded player X for player Y last year and this is their worst season ever” lol

    I can’t be the only one that’s met passionless guys going through life in a walking daze like zombies.

    “She wanted Chad bad. But Chad fucked up because he was incongruent”

    Impossible. I have it on good authority from guys who subscribe to looks matter that if you have a six-pack and threaten to kick everyone’s ass a girl will ignore all ASD, LMR, social pressure, everything and just suck your dick in the middle of the room no matter what you say or do. lol

    “But, in real life he could’ve and probably would’ve had Abundance Mentality and Outcome Independence.”

    WOULD he? That’s my point in these discussions. The stereotype assumes that he would. But hang out with enough Chads and you’ll find that a lot of them have a lot of hangups and blind spots and lack of calibration and lack of self-control and madonna/whore complexes etc in real life. Not all of them, but like, guys really have to give these dudes less instant credit. “oh he’s good-looking, he must get laid like crazy and have amazing game!!” Like go compete for girls with those guys and find out lol

    @fleezer
    “that’s fucking horrible.”

    Agreed. I was surprised by it myself, I thought I would remember the girl that meant more to me than the randoms, but nope, we tend to remember peak high/low emotional experiences and the reality of my day to day LTR was that most of it was a dialtone of emotions. Little highs and lows here and there, and if I didn’t have sarging maybe those would be enough relative to watching Netflix or playing xbox…but compared to the highs and lows of SARGING? It’s not even close.

    “my first ex? I remember it all. because the time was limited.”

    Ya that’s probably part of it. We were mid-20s so we had all the time in the world to just vegetate together. She’d come over after we both got off work and we’d just hang out and she’d sleep over, almost every night of the week (I stopped sarging etc too, lost some bar buddies ’cause I turned down invites to hang with her etc). Like there was just endless time together, and we weren’t doing anything real significant and I didn’t know enough about LTRs to lay down any kind of boundaries on my time/energy, I was just following the Blue Pill LTR script.

    Whereas fuckbuddies fall into that “time is limited” scenario which is part of why I enjoy my time with them. If I only see a girl for a few hours every couple weeks, we make those few hours COUNT lol If for some reason I were to try an LTR again, I would make sure that we can’t spend TOO much time together, like I would keep living separate and keep busy with work (or say I am) to avoid being able to see her and text her every single day. Give her the gift of missing me (and me the gift of missing her) and all that.

    But no idea how to make that work when you live together and raise kids. Have a REALLY big house where you don’t see eachother much? A man-cave with a lock on it? lol

    “what’s a kid’s curfew when his parents are driving him around? like 10 if he’s lucky. there was always a countdown clock. there were serious consequences for getting “caught”.”

    I never had a curfew because I was so chode that my parents knew I would never get in any kind of trouble lol

    “looking back, those are keys to good tension and therefore good release.”

    Yup, the gift of missing eachother and making every moment count. I have a buddy who was living with his GF and they were miserable, then he got a job where he had to travel and could only visit her every couple of weeks (just enough to keep her sexually satisfied) and their relationship improved DRAMATICALLY because they weren’t taking eachother for granted anymore since they only had a day or two to hang out every couple weeks instead of that “this person will always be around so whatever” pattern a lot of LTRs that spend all their time together can fall into.

    “and there was no time for mundane things. every moment we had together meant our hands in each others pants. blowjobs. fucking. running “errands”? lol. I went clothes shopping with her once. I remember because some cunt made a big deal that I was in the ladies’ dressing room with her and I got thrown out of the store.”

    Ya I do all that stuff with my fuckbuddies. Like, THAT’S the part of LTRs I enjoy…but if I can fuck my FB in a changeroom then why put up with all the other LTR stuff I DON’T like to fuck an LTR in the changeroom (before we go have dinner with her folks)? Just my logic lol

    “but I’ve never been in an ltr with a girl who was over 20 and didn’t live with her family.”

    In 2016 it’s pretty common to see late-20s girls still living with their family. Yet they’ll judge guys for living with their families lol The double-standard is hilarious to me.

    “that’s probably why I’m pro ltr”

    What you described sounds like a fuckbuddy to me. I mean, a really good primary fuckbuddy, but still just a fuckbuddy relationship. That’s not a judgement call on it, just saying all those patterns (not seeing eachother too often or for too long at a time, fucking eachother’s brains out constantly when you DO see eachother, not eating and living together, doing the occasional fun event with her that probably leads to sex, etc).

    “but seeing them years later, with their stupid roommates and take out containers and empty refrigerators and piles of laundry is just sad.”

    lolol this. And that stupid roommate is her “totes BFF” that I have to hang out with if I date her. Like no thanks, just come meet me at my place so we can fuck.

    “I really can’t believe that guys would text with them during the day, or listen to their bullshit, or pay to take them out.”

    It’s a lot worse in 2016 because of how normalized texting is. I got into pickup right before texting took off so I remember NOT being able to text girls and it was so much better.

    It goes back to how I describe relationships in the “old days”, like the 40s. The hubby goes off to work and he’s just GONE. Is he fucking his secretary? Is he owning high-powered Mad Men business meetings? Did he get into a car accident like she just heard a report about on the radio omg what if it was him?? Oh, he’s not home in time for dinner, where IS he, is he working overtime, is he fucking his secretary, is he hurt? Then he finally comes in the door a couple hours late and it’s like OH WHEW!!!! Big ol’ sigh of relief. Thank god he’s okay. Wait, why does he smell like perfume, oh this new secretary huh bla bla drama desire dread

    Compare that to 2016 where like, she’s off busy with her own work stuff barely thinking about him, until he txts her halfway through the day “soooo bored at work fuck, just bombed this meeting and my boss hates me now 🙁 miss you baby xoxoxoxo” and then at the end of the day “hey I have to stay late tonight, don’t worry I’m not at a bar or anything look here’s a Snapchat of my empty office I’m sooo bored I miss you baby xoxoxoxo” Meanwhile while he’s staying late at the office she’s answering her Facebook orbiter messages and swiping on Tinder.

    Like the dynamics that have changed in LTRs just from technology are pretty huge and make an LTR much more difficult. I would bet Rollo, SJF, Blaximus, yourself, etc, the guys with happy marriages, don’t sit around txting their girls all day long like the next generation has learned to do and fully normalized. Like you guys would have to go out of your way to text and would be annoyed by it, whereas that 18yo kid just entering adulthood has been txting all day every day since he was 12, and so has the girl he has a crush on, so when they get into an LTR they’re not going to even REALIZE how that can sabotage things for them. Who’s gonna tell them “hey, just DON’T text her today, trust me it’ll make her appreciate you more” when every time they txt or Snapchat or whatever they get some Likes and validation for it.

    @gb_hill
    “None of you would even reach hook point with a girl like this.”

    lol we do all the time dude. The fact that you think that chick was some insurmountable “No” girl and not just a normal girl who’s not immediately playing along…well, it makes perfect sense that you list a bunch of guys who all do pretty similar rapport-based game and don’t really teach how to deal with girls who don’t play along and get them to open up. That chick barely gave any real resistance but just the fact that she didn’t immediately blow open like other girls was enough to send Krauser down a spiral of self-doubt and testing for compliance with a girl who doesn’t see value in him yet or any reason to comply with him, that’s why she doesn’t play along.

    He just didn’t DHV himself well because he’s used to DHVing in rapport, whereas oldschool PUA we just assumed the girl was going to need us to demonstrate our value before she wanted rapport (A2 before C1) so this girl’s response is nothing lol It’s interesting that you think she’s some impossible girl though. Like I say, the london daygame systems don’t seem to really prepare a guy for this stuff. I’ve had girls literally sincerely tell me to fuck off or flip me the middle finger and still turned it around and fucked them.

    I mean shit, here’s Cajun running super oldschool game on a girl who tries to get him to fuck off (7:10, they bleep it out but he says “You guys look like a bunch of retards” lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCyZdBjTwbM&t=7m10s

    The chick on the left is “CLEARLY” a “No” girl response by the Krauser standards. Serious face, yells at him that’s not nice you can LEAVE now (NOT flirty) AND backturns him. Does Cajun care? Nope, no fucks given. Because PUA teaches you to turn this shit around. He just holds his frame and plows and when he asks if they think retards are funny, that hits a note with her and the SECOND she gives any kind of smile, he pounces and escalates it by hugging her and rewarding her (VS Krauser getting the occasional giggle from that “No” girl but then letting it fizzle out instead of flooring the gas pedal on it to build it up into Attraction). Then he runs standard Mystery Method group theory ignoring her (now that he has A2), and she chases his attention/validation. By the end she’s a purring kitten for him. This SUPER HOSITLE “NO” GIRL OH NOOOOESSS!!!

    And then he even compliments her ON being hostile, to her friends, to have group approval. He’s not even running amazing game, he’s just fucking around purposely demonstrating oldschool lines and routines to show off PUA.

    Gaming in night environments where bitch-shields are up and you have more stuff like AMOGs and cockblocks and shit to deal with toughens your game up and teaches you to how rare “No” girls REALLY are. That “No” girl from the Krauser audio wasn’t anywhere NEAR as hostile as this girl…she just wasn’t immediately blowing open and playing along and it threw his game off but that’s okay because he can just rule her out as a “No” girl that NO ONE CAN GET, just like you did. Whereas any of us PUA guys would just blow through that the way Cajun did. Zero fucks given, because we learned a skillset that helps us turn a lot of those “No” girls into “Yes” girls.

    That’s WHY Cajun doesn’t let the girl’s negative reaction throw his frame off or make him doubt himself, because he’s run into that a thousand times and gives no fucks because he knows he can turn it around whereas Krauser gets a just “not immediately playing along” reaction and stumbles and comes off like “oh shit, she isn’t asking where I’m from or what I do for a living…I’ll just TELL her to ask! Oh shit, she doesn’t even want to guess, what do I do?? Make another observation about something?? Oh man, stupid “NO” GIRLS!!!” lol

    It’s funny because I know Krauser is big on his jumping around the stages thing instead of going in A1-A2-A3-C1 order, like that’s the big hook for how his system is different from classic MM…but the irony is the reason he doesn’t turn that “No” girl around in that audio is because he doesn’t have A2 with her yet and he’s “jumping around” to C1 trying to get rapport/comfort with her, but he isn’t doing proper A1 so he doesn’t ever get A2 and he just keeps beating his head against the wall trying for C1. If he followed proper MM, which is if she isn’t giving you A2 yet, go back to A1 and keep DHV’ing and spiking her Attraction until you DO get A2, THEN go for C1 again because she’ll WANT it at that point, he would get that “No” girl.

    Like look how Cajun handled the bitchy girl. He goes back to A1 and spikes her into laughter and once he’s won her over (aka got A2), THEN he goes into his story (they cut it for time, but he tells a story of a funny retard situation where he isn’t sure if he should laugh etc). That bitchy girl doesn’t WANT to engage with him when she’s unreceptive at the start…so she spikes her buying temp and THEN she wants to engage with him.

    “But find me any RSD daygame video where they show verbal dexterity on the level of Krauser”

    lol I haven’t seen any real verbal dexterity in Krauser’s sets. These ESL conversations are like talking to children. I’m sure he’s capable of it, but I haven’t seen much infield where a girl gives him shit or tries to shake his frame with him getting past it with his amazing verbal dexterity.

    Here’s some RSD Daygame though, Max does lots of it (in EE too):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYABu7KFls&t=10s

    I dunno what you think is so special about daygame that because the sun is out girls suddenly don’t respond to teasing, leading, spiking Attraction, escalating, having fun, self-amusement, etc I mean, if you think Max isn’t doing well in these videos where the girls are giggling away and loving him, I dunno what to tell you lol

    Here’s some Tyler daygame:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEltf4UuFss&t=12s

    Again, I dunno what you think is so special about daygame that girls don’t respond to the same stuff they respond to at night. It’s no big deal lol I think you guys have bought into your own hype or something. It’s just brighter out than in a bar and there’s way less distractions etc

    Tyler and Max get way more Attraction in those videos that most of the Daygame interactions I see where the girls giggle here and there but never really spike hard. The London Daygame interactions tend to just look like nice pleasant interactions, which is probably cool out there, but nice pleasant interactions will get you flakey numbers in North America. You could escalate a nice pleasant interaction into an insta-date and get the lay though…but like, a number close off a nice pleasant interaction is pretty much wood these days.

    “You wouldn’t know the first thing about doing a street stop of a moving target in a large cosmopolitan city.”

    lol I’ve done daygame dude. I stick to nightgame now though ’cause I enjoy the nightlife scene and I like that girls are all dolled up and, believe it or not, I LIKE the challenges. I LIKE getting to battle with AMOGs, I LIKE having to step up and hold a girl’s attention through all the environmental stimulus, I LIKE winning over her group and taking her away on an adventure etc lol I even like the harsh rejections because all that shit toughens your internals up.

    “In fact I would say that Nick’s skill is too good for North American women because they have been dumbed down so much because of the Left’s domination of the culture and educational system”

    Spin, hamster, spin! Like I say, “those girls aren’t good enough for me” is one of the excuses I figured would come back after my post about it. A perfectly common way of avoiding ever really admitting that your game isn’t versatile enough. Same as the guy who won’t approach a 9 in a bar because “oh she’s just some bar slut any guy could get HER, I could get her if I WANTED to” lol Just rationalizations.

    “Torero was just in NYC a month ago and he had great success in NYC with the same type of game.”

    Cool, looking forward to it. Though his being caught hiring a chick taints his shit for me. That’s why I’d rather see Krauser doing it, I trust Krauser to be legit/honest. He seems like a dude with solid principles.

    “There is little difference among the girls.”

    …unless the sun is out. THEN IT’S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. They all become immune to having fun and feeling Attraction and PUA game falls apart even though it works just fine at night. lol Can you even see how silly and inconsistent you sound?

    “IMO, Justin and Deepak Wayne are offering the best overall daygame system out there.”

    Don’t know enough about ’em to judge.

    “And for the love of Jesus or whatever god you want please stop arguing that Nick’s daygame system would be useless in a nightclub. HE KNOWS THAT! Its not designed for night game.”

    I know that. You know that. Krauser knows that. I just want to make sure guys buying his product know it. And again, my reason for pointing it out is that I think a guy is better served learning to handle a variety of situations whether they use Krauser’s system and supplement it to make up for deficiencies (not learning how to deal with AMOGs, cockblocks, group theory, distractions, turning “No” girls around, etc) or just pick a system that teaches everything from day one (like Mystery Method).

    “RSD’s view that daygame is nightgame during the day is WRONG.”

    Well you’ve said it so it MUST be true. Let’s ignore all the daygame footage of them doing exactly what they do at night then, the great gb_hill has declared it WRONG with CAPITAL LETTERS!!

    I mean, how do guys keep trying to do this “ignore what you see in front of you and just listen to what I tell you” shit in 2016 when we have the internet and all this video guys can watch? It’s like Feminists harping on about how the wage gap exists when we can all just go look up the studies and see they’re full of shit. “DAYGAME IS DIFFERENT!!!” “Here’s video of guys running daygame just like nightgame.” “SHUT UP IT’S DIFFERENT NO ONE LOOK AT THAT JUST LISTEN TO ME WHILE I USE MORE CAPITAL LETTERS AND GET ANGRY!!!!” lol

    I mean shit, DON’T believe me. DON’T believe any of the footage. I hope NO ONE believes me and they’re SO skeptical that they go out and TRY it themselves just to prove me wrong so they can see for themselves lol

    “There are no AMOGs in daygame (baring exception).”

    Then you admit that they aren’t teaching guys a full skillet because they aren’t teaching them how to deal with stuff like AMOGs. That’s my point. Like I said, it’s great for what it is…like an instruction manual to teach you how to drive on a straight road really well. But I’d like to see guys learn to deal with curves and obstacles in the road so they have a full skillset.

    “Its a solo sport with an entirely different psychological frame of reference.”

    ehh, that’s debatable. There are different hurdles to overcome (like keeping your mood/energy/state up as you hunt for targets if you aren’t in a prime daygame location, worrying about other people overhearing and/or judging you, some calibration toning things down a bit from nightgame depending on the environment (like is she at work with her boss right behind her), etc) so I don’t disagree. But I don’t think it’s as big a deal as the london Daygame marketing makes it out to be, especially if you’re regularly doing night game.

    “Applying Mystery’s micro-system for daygame is retarded.”

    lol that’s actually one of the reasons I want to do a more in-depth breakdown of Krauser’s product. Because a lot of it is just him following Mystery Method, but I don’t think he realizes he’s following Mystery Method. I think he legitimately thinks he’s doing groundbreaking new stuff because he’s figured a lot of it out himself from field experience, but like, Mystery Method isn’t theory, it’s just reverse engineering of how seduction WORKS. So any guy who goes out and practices seduction enough will end up coming to the same conclusions and system/structure that Mystery did. Mystery Method is basically a Field Report of how things work.

    So saying Mystery Method doesn’t apply to daygame is like saying “bro, trying to eat food to not be hungry might work at night, but trying to apply that “eating food making you less hungry” thing during the day?? that’s fucking RETARDED”

    Like it just shows that you fundamentally don’t really understand what Mystery Method is or what it teaches.

    “Whatever PUA cred you may have once had is shot.”

    lol o noes.

    “You’ve shown stupidity on an epic scale with your looks-don’t-matter”

    I stand by that.

    “and 90-10 and betas-get-no-sex crap.”

    As I said repeatedly, I’ve never said betas don’t get any sex. I’m saying the 80/20 gap is widening to 90/10 and will likely continue that trend over the next 20-40 years.

    “You and Scray are PUA retards.”

    lol okay.

    “Really (YaReally), I don’t even read through you posts anymore because they’re pure shit.”

    lol I think it’s better for your mental health that you DON’T read my posts anymore. You seem pretty worked up.

    “I just read this because you were talking about Nick.”

    No hate for the guy. I’m just pointing out limitations in the product so that men who don’t live in tourist areas packed with hot friendly receptive girls know what they’re getting and can make an informed decision. That’s the point of reviewing a product and I don’t think I’ve said anything that I haven’t backed up with examples or explanations. I’m open to counter-discussion, but you’ll have to do better than “you’re a poopy head I hate you!!!”

  19. ” . . . splatting on the ground skydiving . . .”

    Mike Hailwood survived a career in motorcycle racing, and then another in Grand Prix racing. Then, as an old retired man he came back to ride the most dangerous motorcycle road race in the world a couple more times.

    Then he got splatted, as well as his kids, just popping out for fish and chips.

    Many of the mundane things we do every day are no more dangerous than sky diving, and kill tens of thousands of people every year, but we don’t even really notice because they are “normal” activities.

    Climbing the stairs to the second floor bathroom and then taking a shower is more dangerous than going out for a bicycle ride on the open road, but nobody wears a helmet to do it. Because reasons.

    One guy makes a mistake and dies on his way home from his camping trip and it results in magazine articles, books and movies. Because that’s just not normal.

    Tens of thousands of guys a year make a small mistake and die on their way home from work (or the club where they were sarging) and maybe it gets a couple inches in the back pages of the local rag. Because that’s perfectly normal.

    “hey man, quit eating healthy, have some junk food this week, you gotta have a balance!”

    Cake may be no worse for you than bread, the Staff of Life. Read the ingredients – same stuff in both. Dark chocolate is “health” food.

    What’s actually in pizza? Might just be the same stuff that a lot of people will tell you to eat instead of pizza.

    Salad is not “healthy.” It’s a fetish of the French aristocracy and ordinary people eat lettuce because it used to be a luxury item that became affordable enough so that they could mimic the behaviour of the aristocrats and feel like a big deal, but people forgot why they started eating it in the first place and now just do it because reasons.

    “Hey dude, quit saving your money responsibly for the future, just buy a brand new TV or something frivolous and irresponsible, you gotta have a balance!”

    Sounds like sound advice. You might get splatted on your way home from the club tonight and all that saving will have been for naught, and your life the lessor for not having spent some time enjoying NOW.

    It’s perfectly possible to strike a balance and have some things to enjoy now and a bit set aside. But bear in mind that debt based fiat currency decreases in value over time. Put too much in savings and you end up with nothing to speak of for all your saving.

    Put your money in capital assets that are likely to hold their value, or even appreciate, over time.

  20. @West Indian Archie
    “Finally finished your archive. Now I will leave the basement and talk to my first girl ever…lol.”

    lol it’s Friday night, every guy who wants to get this shit handled should go out for an hour at least, even just run some street game on girls heading to the bar or standing outside it smoking or whatever. I’m showering up for the night after I post this. Plenty of beautiful girls out there dying to meet guys and plenty of challenges out there to toughen your skillset on.

    “Naw, been in the game a minute. I really do not understand how guys can swallow all of this theory about hypergamy and feminine imperative – yet you get all this resistance on solid pick up advice. It boggles my mind. Going through your archives the # of non-believers, heathens, pagans, and infidels is astonishing. The muscle debate was probably the worst one.”

    lol no idea. The things I say are just things you figure out from being infield a shitload pushing your comfort zones etc. A lot of guys will go out but will never enter a set with another guy, especially a better looking guy, or will back off and let the guy have the girl the second he gets a whole ioi from the girl, and then tell me about how looks matter and I’m full of shit and bla bla

    Like I say, I hope NO ONE believes me. I hope EVERYONE goes out and challenges what I’m saying. I hope every dude in here is staring down some young hottie spiking her Attraction tonight even if it’s just in some attempt to prove me wrong. That would be sick.

    “There’s no real point in reading Krauser’s DayGame Mastery. He explains his model, and goes into detail on how he selects his chicks. It’s basically a sniper game. Tourists and ESL chicks in London.”

    That’s the impression I get from what I’ve seen of his game, but I haven’t read the book so I can’t judge it and someone here (walawala I think?) said it was good. I’m sure it’s a fine read, I don’t like to turn guys AWAY from resources that might help them. But like I say, I think the system teaches a limited skillset and personally I’d like to see more guys able to turn around sets like Cajun in that Keys clip and the rest of us PUAs do all the time.

    “According to them London Boys, British women are so fat and disagreeable that any self respecting man would stick with banging Polish immigrants.”

    Like I say, it’s a great excuse to never really push your skillset. There are beautiful pleasant fun girls all over the place. Especially in major cities and university areas etc You’re telling me you can’t find a hot thin girl in Vegas? lol

    I mean those guys aren’t sarging shitholes in their daygame, they’re hitting huge tourist spots with tons of hot girls. Basically the equivalent of Vegas there. And yet they would probably make fun of me for telling a guy to go move to Vegas or near a university campus. Like wut? You just go where hot girls are.

    “You’d think with the proper level of game, they’d be able to start going to the posh parties and meeting the chicks that the “Alphas” are keeping to themselves. I can’t call it.”

    It’s like Tyler says: “you guys complain there are no hot girls in LA. There ARE, they just aren’t in the venues YOU go to. They aren’t at your general admission local pub up the street from your house.” Sure there are lots of fatties here, but there are also gorgeous girls…if you’re hanging out in venues full of fatties it’s time to select better venues. But most guys won’t because they’re intimidated or judge those venues or feel judged or are scared or rationalize it as “not worth my time” etc etc Like, okay, but that’s YOUR choice lol

    “So in addition to sniper game, scoping out the perfect chick, there’s a bit of Green Card sub-game going on as well.”

    There’s technically that, I didn’t want to really go down that route in my critique because whatever, he’s not in Thailand gaming poor broke thai hookers so I doubt it’s as dramatic. The girls he’s macking all seem pretty well off and educated and financially doing just fine etc so I don’t think the Green Card thing is as big a deal. Like I don’t get the impression any of the girls he’s talking to is viewing him as a meal ticket or is so destitute that they care. Really most of them seem like just bored locals/tourists out shopping or taking a chill walk, who are up for an interesting time.

    The “being from not around here” thing is a big bonus though, he makes sure to stress that he’s not from around here in pretty much every set…again when I picture some guy here who’s a local to where he’s gaming, like, he doesn’t get that crutch to use.

    “3) How have/would solid PUA guys run proper game when they don’t speak the language. The short answer is working on the sub-comm’s through action and kino. Laser eye contact works in every language.”

    This is the long answer too, really lol That’s why I can’t entirely hate on Krauser’s ESL conversations, because obviously verbals only matter so much, and he’s banking extra time to demonstrate good subcomms while he’s having those slow confusing conversations. But newbies starting out have shitty subcomms and if they’re not in an ESL environment they’re going to need some kind of verbals to buy them enough time to demonstrate value.

    “In that Liam McCrae video”

    I fucking love Liam lol His Rapid Escalation vid is fucking gold, never seen anyone break down laser eye-contact subcomm shit so thoroughly. His voice power speech is awesome too, check for it on YouTube.

    “But I’m wondering how he got her to that point that she wants to hug him inside of his jacket?”

    Subcomms. Same principle as Tyler doing his Hand of God thing…catch eye-contact, have solid subcomms, genuinely be giving value through your intent (woowoo sounding shit but basically be in a good mental space), assume success, etc and girls will take Tyler’s hand without him saying a word or curl up in Liam’s jacket etc. It looks like wizardry when you don’t understand subcomms, but all this stuff happens in a split second.

    “Are there any RSD/known guy videos that are running solid ESL game?”

    Pretty much all of the RSD guys travel the entire WORLD teaching bootcamps lol That’s why I just lol when people say RSD game only works on American chicks. They travel EVERYWHERE to teach.

    Here’s a montage RSD Alex used to make each year of him travelling and teaching bootcamps etc (no audio here, just clips of him having fun with girls from all over so guys understand that RSD doesn’t just teach in America lol they game EVERYWHERE):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikRO06fwLrg&t=55s

    There’s clips of him sarging with girls from all sorts of places, even Japan in there lol Girls is girls.

    Here’s Julien on bootcamp, his student is ignoring his instructions to pull the girl who’s got enough attraction to be pulled (student is scared of fucking up) so Julien steps in to demonstrate that you just spike her temp and lead the interaction forward:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Lv84OX5jE&t=1m

    Look at how she EXPLODES when he says he’s trying to lose his virginity. Then instead of letting that fizzle out like Krauser does, he spikes it harder with the pig snort laugh bit and then uses that high Buying Temp spike to escalate the interaction leading her away and toward isolation and going home together.

    Here’s Max, audio starts at 1:30 in this one (for the monogamy guys, the chick at 1:59 is married, with a kid, and a fuckboi, and he calls her a slut lol 3:14 is a full ESL girl, 9:00 is an ESL set that Julien does some funny shit to reopen a set from earlier, 13:25 is an ESL girl in Denmark that isn’t receptive at first, you’ll have to just watch the rest yourself I gotta get showered up soon)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R96MKufwM4&t=12s

    Max is ESL himself (lol) and games all over EE and the rest of the world too, and does a lot of daygame. It doesn’t really matter lol

    Here’s Julien talking about gaming girls from around the world and other cultures etc:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGJebRifQE

    “Hopefully you have the “hundreds of videos” that you’re always promising the skeptics.”

    I mean shit, type “RSD infield” into youtube and there’s hours of footage to watch lol With all types of girls from all over the world.

    “Aside from the OG Mystery Method seminar, Love Bullets, the Tyler Digest, are there any collected and organized books on the intermediate game/technical game?”

    I currently recommend Julien’s PIMP for external game and Julien’s SHIFT for internal game. Between those two, Mystery Method for overall strategy and group theory etc, the Tyler Digest for AMOG and pushing limiting beliefs, Liam’s Rapid Escalation video for subcomm stuff, and maybe some Juggler Method for rapport stuff, you’ll be a machine. As long as you go out and apply it lol

    “This has to come up all the time, but I don’t have the right search terms to find where guys have figured out how to deal with this.”

    Just standard Approach Anxiety. When you rely on Approach Invites and iois to open (like needing a girl to smile at you or give you eye-contact before you open), you train yourself to not take risks and only open girls you “know” will probably go well (because they’ve already given you A2 and shown themselves to be friendly). Most guys don’t play to win, they play to “not lose”, which is what not opening her because she might be bitchy is.

    Like YOU see the resting bitch face and assume she’s going to be a bitch and take yourself out of the game (or fuck your subcomms up for if you DO approach, assuming failure instead of assuming success). A guy who approaches girls without caring if he has AIs/IOIs sees a girl who’s just bored and needs someone to make her smile that bitch-face away.

    “an old guy steps up to her. And she’s of course not trying to hear it.”

    In PUA we learn how to MAKE her listen (this vid also relates to what I’m saying about Krauser not knowing how to handle that “No” girl who just wasn’t immediately playing along in that audio…you just stick to A1 until you DO get a reaction out of her so you can get A2, you don’t keep trying for C1 when she’s not giving A2).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2reDG7UwO4&t=30s

    “Is the play here to
    – Run up, amog, and use him as a pawn?
    – Wait for him to fizzle out, and run clean up game?”

    lol either one is a solid play. I like to use the fizzle out and approach afterward to avoid making the guy feel bad or risk a fight. In an ideal situation I can get eye-contact from her (because usually if a girl is getting hit on by someone she’s not into she’ll glance around looking for someone to girl-code to save her) and then instead of actually going in and AMOG’ing him and saving her, I’ll just lol at her and give her a thumbs-up like “way to go, you got a real keeper her!” to tease her. Then when buddy leaves I already have Attraction because I made fun of her situation and left her to struggle in it instead of rescuing her. Usually they’ll say “You were supposed to save me!!” as a shit-test and I just tell them I didn’t want to interrupt true love and could see they had a special connection etc etc and just roll into normal game from there.

    And now I’m out. Friday night everyone, get out there! Try some lasers. Try to stick out an unreceptive set and turn it around. Practice some A1. Disqualify girls to see how they react. Introduce random strangers to eachother. Fuck your wife and play with your kids. Whatever, go have fun life is short! lol

  21. @kfg
    “Sounds like sound advice. You might get splatted on your way home from the club tonight and all that saving will have been for naught, and your life the lessor for not having spent some time enjoying NOW.”

    Agree completely. One last reply ’cause I like linking this vid for motivation for guys on the fence about going out tonight:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn13UfHDm3I

    I have no interest in suffering till I’m 60 when I can finally retire and “enjoy life” but I’m too old to do any of the fun shit and have a heart attack at 61. If everything is a risk and I can die from a heart attack scarfing down delivery food with an LTR while we veg on the couch being sloths watching Netflix, then I’d rather die while doing the things I enjoy, regardless of what other people think about them or think I should do.

    I wasted the first half of my life being a shy introverted shut-in hermit, missing out on life and adventure while everyone else was experiencing it. No way I’m going to voluntarily choose to miss out on it in the second half of my life.

    Ok NOW I’m out lol

  22. @culum @habd @yareally @pua-people

    Went to mall in good city

    Figured there would be lots out tonight . . .but actually, mostly families. Was dissapointing.

    Lack of venues and girls I like is a huge issue lol.

    Found blakc girl . 5. Opened on her hair and how she’s copying me . . . WHICH ALWAYS WORKS lol. Good opener. Just chatted a bit. Don’t even remember what. All body language really. Just vibing off of what she say. Was working, other girl approached. ejected off of that, but if I was more interested in her, could easily have worked in the other girl. Just followed along with them while jooking around and giving value. A good one would have been

    “Oh, wait a sec. Are you guys cops? (they looked like they might be security guards or some shit, or like loss prevention people)” and then be like “Oh shit, better hid my pot real quick.”

    DIDN’T beatbox and hum. Pretty important to remember to do that. Is very helpful in maintain state, blowing past negative thoughts, and not letting a disspointing enviroment get me down too much.

    There was a lone girl in cookie shop. Great open for “let me try one”/”Give me one for free”/”okay, just buy me one” like worked on the two set for a couple day ago. Ran to bathroom real quick before opening her. Mistake

    MUST OPEN RIGHT AWAY. Pay attention to this culum, lol

    Doesn’t matter if you are about to piss your pants or have a giant booger hanging out your nose.

    OPEN RIGHT AWAY

    because in daygame/vendor game, they won’t be alone for long. And it is MUCH harder to work on them as other customers show. Even having a few sec to chat with them and establish a fun vibe helps immensely. Then as customers show, step to the side, let them order, and bring them in on the fun you are having with vendor. Make a instant mini party lol.

    But having those few seconds alone with her make it much easier.

    As it was, HUGE line formed in just a couple min I was away.

    MUST OPEN RIGHT AWAY.

    Honestly, not many people there. I mean, lots of families, but not girls.

    See, this is the frustration. In a nightclub, you can just open everyone and get to hotties, because people wil be there a while. But here, you can bounce from store to store to store, and hell, there might not be any decent girls in the whole mall. Its very frustrating. You have to kind of get lucky on the night you go out to practice — like the time at the bar I was going to where there were 4 asians in one night.

    uuuggghh, kind of bad start. Felt my entitlement slipping. VERY MUCH want to do game in Victoria Secret, but no one was there hardly and wasn’t in right mindspace.

    Very different from last night when I bounced around from clothes store withh 6 black, girl shoe store with 7 blakc, then victoria secret. Need to make more of a conscious effort to bounce through stores really quickly and chat up lost of people quick. If people ask what I am doing there say “Just killing time.” But moving rapidly and openng shittons is very important early on, and I got out of state from focusing on lack of girls.

    Getting in good state early on is very important, because first few minutes are sticky. If good and I open a bunch, I get good vibes that are hard to throw off. If get sucked into being dissapointed from lack of girls, then tend to be more negative even if things start to turn around.

    Now, generally, if I don’t see girls early on, I won’t EVER see them that night, but its still a good tweak that makes a lot of difference.

    So from now on, need to just boom boom boom open before I can even process the enviroment. If no options to game that night, fuck it. But its better to start on the best mood I can regardless.

    Went to day 2 area. Went to bookstore. Opened a 3 or 4 blakc. Was looking at manga

    “So you read a lot of manga?”

    “Not really, I just occasionally read it. Not a huge fan.”

    “Oooh. I get it. You ARE a huge fan but your like ‘Uh, I like, just SOMETIMES read the stuff. Not like a nerd or anything. (nervous laugh)”

    “lol, I really don’t read them much.”

    Think I stepped in close. Wish I remembered when I did this. Next time, need to be more consciously aware to escalate on HER response, not mine.

    chatted. talked about anime. Said she only really liked the older stuff

    “So you are a hipster.”

    “lol”

    “I am VERY judgemental, as you can tell.” and smirked.

    more talking. She said she hadn’t seen breaking bad.

    “You haven’t seen breaking bad. Seriously. For real?”

    Walked off. As always, its SUPER EFFECTIVE

    Chatted more. sensed resistance, set dying. Wished her well, walked off a bit. Started reading book. And ALMOST immediately

    “So what are you looking for here.”

    Interesting. I think the “resistance” was more from push/pull. Julien talks about how you are on or off. Like your add pressure. You have to alternate it. So sexual/non sexual/sexual/nonsexual or escalate/back off/escalate/back off. I think a some of the time I sensed the set was dying was actually just from being “on” too much, and I needed to back off for a sec.

    Definitely feel it was the case for the 5, because she reengaged as soon as I let up a bit and walked the 3 feet away to look at books.

    Misreading what they say, I find, is a very good way to open. Like with the white girl bilogy student who I accused of being a dexter type serial killer lol. Just very playful teasing. I find it works well. Just misinterpret the first thing she responds with, and just keep doing it lol.

    Also discovered a new way to open. Opened on books as I was looking at them. But I wasn’t really looking at her. Just commenting on books as I looked at them, occasionally glancing at her. But it was just a very off handed convo, my interest was on the books. Will have to experiemnt with that more, but it was just a very interesting way to VERY gradually open to get into sets that a more direct approach wouldn’t work on.

    Not many people at the day 2. More at the VS there, but just too off to try in there then. Gonna save for tomorrow.

    Here’s my plan. Gonna bounce around a lot tomorrow.

    Go to mall in good city around lunch. OPEN OPEN OPEN. Swing by Victoria Secret. Go to Day 2. Bounce around, go to the VS there as well. Go to bad city. Go through mall there. Stop by the VS there. Go BACK to good city later in evening, and do the same shit there all over again.

    I feel like going to VS 5 times in a day will give me the freedom to relax and just get into the groove. I think this is an awesome venue for me. Got lots of things I can chat about there, and lots of ways to bounce around chatting with all the girls there (like I do at the bars) and pulling girls into my set and merging sets.

    And more generally, going to so many places and multiple times in the day removes the stress from “ah, damn, no girls I like here.” I still have a SHITTON of places to go to. So just movemovemove gamegamegame and don’t think about it much.

  23. @hank

    I’m loving reading you’re thoughts in your fr’s.

    It is key to just keep engaging like you are.

    Good stuff.

    Keep on keeping on!!!

  24. @yareally who is out lol

    But when it comes to chasing girls everyone’s all “you can’t do that all the time!! That’s unhealthy, you need to balance it out by climbing a mountain!!” and it’s like, well, WHY exactly?

    Here we go again, unwilling to test these ideas out in the field, or in this case, mountain. I have two friends who are into rock climbing. Now you might go “WHY exactly?”. I have no fucking idea why, but the objective appears to find a large rock face, and then go up and down it without serious hurting or killing yourself. One of the friends did seriously hurt himself, so it’s not a risk-free activity.

    Hence it attracts groupies, or whatever groupies are called in rock climbing circles (“social climbers”?). From the lots of pictures I’ve seen from them, it’s about a 40% female participation (who would guess that). They all appear to be in their 20s (I guess after they have babies the idea is mom should not kill herself rock climbing), single, small tits (I guess big boobs prevent getting close to the rock face), slim (hey sun, this is where they are!), little make-up (sorry Ya), and about 6-7s, never better, never worse.

    Ya, get yaself out rock climbing! Then when you are most of the way up,you have already DHV, literally. Also in the process you have been slowly changing location. Once you are at A3, at the top, you can try rappel, which is like rapport. Now here are some actual rock climbing terms to become familiar with: “Teabagging”, “Zipper fall”, “Flake”, “Fist jam”, “Crampons”, “Beta flash”, and “ACR (Alpine Cock Ring)”. Lots to learn, have fun!

  25. Micro FR:
    I picked up on the thing @YaReally was mentioning last week “girls aren’t just looking at you and your subcomms, they’re looking at how other people react to you, to determine your value. ”

    “…..Watch very specifically for how their eyes don’t just stay on the guy who’s talking, they constantly flick, even for a split second, to the “other” guy…..
    …..That’s why they won’t just focus on you, they’ll glance back and forth and look for little subcomms to see whether the other guy is affected or reacting etc. It happens in tiny little split-seconds and they don’t even really think about it, but it’s there and their hindbrains are taking it all in.

    Setting: Major league baseball park luxury suites. Myself and another buddy were invited to attend a small company party suite at the baseball game with a good friend of ours and we met at the host’s place and rode together to the ball park. The host/good friend is red pill and games well, single and wants to meet any girl that comes along. Over the last two decades, he is fond and good at hostess/waitress Game.

    The three of us get to the suite first out of the 18 attendees and he is in charge of ensuring the food and drinks are in order before the guests arrive. The suite is his brother’s company’s suite for the season and it is a well located one. Read: high end with lots of DHV.

    The hostess shows up and he games her and negs her with the setup and is in good form with his “looks/attire”, posture, casualness and congruent confidence. She’s a sweet HB6 (in his target range), young 30 y.o. ish, and she’s pleasant. Smiling and professional.

    She pops in and out over 7 times throughout the evening and we catch IOI’s plenty, but she may just be doing he job and there are 80 games a season here.

    I pick up IOI’s and my buddy was not so sure.

    Here’s the crux of the matter with me being a wingman: I actually have been noticing the flicking eye thing for a while over the past year when out with him, but never registered it for what it is: she’s checking reaction from me after he makes a remark. I’ve noticed it from other girls in the past.
    Before YaReally pointed it out, I had been confused (unconscious incompetence) at what to look like as wingman. She looks at me, smiles briefly with direct eye contact. My inexpert brain would not know if she was showing IOI’s to me. (perhaps I’m younger and cuter by .001%?). And if she was actually giving me IOI’s then my instinct would be to deflect/defer or be non-reactive to deflect interest in me. If she was just pinging for info on him I should be more reactive. Instead of non-plussed.

    Anyway, this happened all night and I picked up on it because YaReally mentioned it. But I had the realization that as a wingman, shit, how to I play this to my buddies advantage? My buddies interactions went well with her all night, and he was about to number close after getting a lot of info/vetted her–but at the end things fizzled out and he didn’t number close and he’s not so sure he even wanted to get with her but chalked up another field experience.

    In retrospect she’s pinging off me to get an idea if this guy is as smooth as he looks and is he as congruent as she is sensing? But also in retrospect I sense I wasn’t helping. I’m smiling and giving her very direct eye contact, but not giving her a read. I’m either expressionless, or smirking, non-plussed like “you figure him out!”. She as a hostess, obviously has encountered this a billion times before with less relaxed, less fun vibe men than we were.

    I realize I could do more as a wing in this situation, but what is that? I could have cut space, been more proactive, nod yes he’s real, or done other pro-wingman shit. But other than being natural, smiling, fun, witty and giving verbal props to him, I don’t know any formal instruction on winging this micro facet of game.

    Any suggestions? Favorite facial expressions, short sayings, posture, position among the three or more in the set.

    Hope I’m not wasting comment space by typing that out……

  26. “Major league baseball park . . .”

    Go to a game. Pay attention to how you and other men watch the game. Where do your eyes go?

    I believe you’ll discover that women watch the social group the same way that men watch the sporting group.

  27. “Where do your eyes go?”

    Lol, I can’t remember watching any of the game or players. I was watching the people watching the game. And boobs.

  28. > Why are there 4 babies of roughly the same age in the pic? In reality, in a 4 child family, there would never be 4 infants scrabbling around. They would be spaced out, with 1 infant likely. This serves to increase the portrayal of how careless and unengaged the man is, as he’s not paying attention to 4 helpless babies but in reality no man has a family that looks like that.
    – Why is the man portrayed as watching sports? Why is this selected? Of course, it’s another trope. Men sit around watching sports and do nothing most of the time. Why instead isn’t it a picture of a housewife watching Oprah or some other daytime show while her kids crawl around the floor, ignored? Is this not just as common?

    Sure it is.. But that’s not what the artist wanted to show. She wanted to show an unhappy marriage. You are supposed to see a careless husband and many unruly children and a woman who doesn’t seem very capable handling it all alone. That’s what I see. I don’t think it has anything to do with the FI, but hey, whatever.

    I agree, btw, that there is an attack on motherhood and family by feminists. I just don’t think this is part of it. And i’m still confused why these set of photos are on this blog :/

    > This imagery (arranged and shot by a woman) scare you because you see yourself in them.

    It’s a possibility, but hopefully it won’t be entirely like that. Hopefully my sons will be more spaced out in age, and hopefully my husband will be a little more active in helping me. I don’t know, but I know that I don’t fear the future. It’s all in God’s hands.

  29. @Emily

    Memo: Hope is not a strategy.

    You should fear the future (you silly little cunt), while not denying the inevitability of death.

  30. @YaReally
    June 24th, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    “Not all addictions are bad, just the ones that come with potential downsides, like losing all your money gambling, or splatting on the ground skydiving, etc”

    Or the ones you tell yourself you are not addicted to, that you can handle and don’t “have any downsides”
    Like when every thing else everybody does (all other hobbies) and seems to be having fun from routine life, they must just be deluding themselves. Hunting, fishing, biking, kayaking, mountain climbing, photography, firearms target shooting, lanscaping, gardening, soapmaking, cooking, health and fitness, weightlifting…..

    And you didn’t get my message about “Mission”. My point is that your mission, YaReally is PUA game. Not your job. I’m affirming that you have mastered PUA Game and your mission is PUA Game for the next ten years. And that is A-OK. Nothing wrong with that. I wasn’t talking about your day job. “Mission in life” is an abtract metaphysical concept. Maybe you should read “The Way of the Superior Man”. It not really as gay and new agey as you think. Hell I think know Roissy’s 19 Commandments of Poon were cribbed from it.

    But when it comes to chasing girls everyone’s all “you can’t do that all the time!! That’s unhealthy, you need to balance it out by climbing a mountain!!” and it’s like, well, WHY exactly? lol If you have the women thing handled and you’re not having FUN sarging, then sure, go balance it out. But if you’re enjoying it and you’re doing it sober without blowing a bunch of money etc, I dunno, I say go have fun. And if your goals change to where you want career success, then focus on that instead of pussy. And then if you want pussy again, focus on that. Once my career goals are achieved I plan to throw myself back into hardcore sarging.

    That’s circular and disingenuous. I was specifically referring to Julian’s video in which he specifically states learn game and figure women out first. It makes you into a man instead of a boy. Then balance things out. And you’ll be better at being a man even moreso.
    I specifically said: “Us old guys did it the old-fashioned way. We got skills and life experiences and then backed into the Red Pill and Game.”
    I do advise as Julian did, now that we have the manosphere and have refined Game references such as those of YaReally that a man should learn game early, master it and use it often.

    “I can’t be the only one that’s met passionless guys going through life in a walking daze like zombies.”

    That is why Baltasar Gracian, Machiavelli and Robert Greene invented Law #10 of power. 25 years ago I learned to walk quickly away in another direction from passionless zombies. They avoid me now.

  31. Emily,

    “You are supposed to see a careless husband and many unruly children and a woman who doesn’t seem very capable handling it all alone. That’s what I see. I don’t think it has anything to do with the FI, but hey, whatever.”

    Top shelf unintentional comedy.

    You so naturally dictate to us what we are “supposed to see” including a “woman handling it all alone.” Then you state ‘that’s what I see.’ Therefore, what you see is what we’re ‘supposed to see’ (your words). You’ve already stated that any disagreement with you is ‘anti-feminist bias.’

    Then, after this pure, uncut, unfiltered hit of FI mandate, you say; “I don’t think it has anything to do with the FI.” Every one of your posts has everything to do with the FI. It’s all you are.

    Please, never leave TRM. It’s hilarious stuff. You build up your arguments and then cancel them out with such beautiful arcs. It’s artistic and such a nice, balanced curve, like a woman’s hip. It’s beautiful.

  32. “And i’m still confused why these set of photos are on this blog”

    Life is not all a Disney fantasy to be taught to young (20 year old) girls.

    The Disney Princess concept is the Feminine Imperatives’s causa sui (for you philosophy majors).

    The video is a representation of the elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge that little girls can become fat, drunk, unloved or loveless with children, or get cancer or alone with cats or alone in their trashed mattresses later on in life.

    The photos illustrate that this is no longer convincing to the photographer.

    The reason why Rollo posted them as a visual essay? To wake you up. To exercise the eyes you are not using.

    1. @Emily, your solipsism never ceases to be anything less than a textbook example of exactly what I outline the dynamic to be.

      and you’re still dodging everything I’ve stated about your TBP orbiters.

  33. And while girls are taught to be princesses entitled to be taken care of, boys are taught to be good little worker competitors whose job it is to take care of, honor, and protect the holy, sacred princess females.

    The worker competitors begin their training in youth sports.

    1. @SJF, part of my job function has always been to serve as a photo editor/selector. I’m an artist by trade and by gift (guys tend to forget that here), if an image serves better than words, that’s what I’ll use.

      Sometimes the longest part in my publishing a post is selecting the best lead image.

  34. Silly me, I knew that and I was going to point that out to Emily, but passed on the idea, thinking that as long as she’s been here, she would get that.

    But Naw. Like on all issues. She doesn’t actually read what you write. Or if she does, she either can’t remember or can’t comprehend. Or she is steadfastly cemented in the Feminine Social Matrix, while being pulled by the wrist toward the Red Pill Praxeology.

    Which one is it Emily?

    1. Don’t Read?

    2. Can’t Remember?

    3. Can’t Comprehend?

    4. Stuck in the Feminine Social Matrix which is a faulty ideology. How’s that working out for you?

  35. The FI concept (or gynocentrism), is the Disney Princess’s (or better yet – the pre-Disney mythical princess archtype’s) causa sui. However, for the provision of more clear-headed thinking, it is better to instead allude to the inter-relation of concepts by way of primordial ordering, but with the knowledge that there is always feedback loops, as is the case with nature it(her)self.

  36. “….more clear-headed thinking”

    https://behapy.s3.amazonaws.com/85/26/238526/preview.png

    The basic premise of The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism. Becker argues that a basic duality in human life exists between the physical world of objects and a symbolic world of human meaning. Thus, since humanity has a dualistic nature consisting of a physical self and a symbolic self, we are able to transcend the dilemma of mortality through heroism, by focusing our attention mainly on our symbolic selves.

    This symbolic self-focus takes the form of an individual’s “immortality project” (or causa sui), which is essentially a symbolic belief-system that ensures oneself is believed superior to physical reality. By successfully living under the terms of the immortality project, people feel they can become heroic and, henceforth, part of something eternal; something that will never die as compared to their physical body. This, in turn, gives people the feeling that their lives have meaning, a purpose, and are significant in the grand scheme of things.

    Becker argues that the arbitrariness of human-invented immortality projects makes them naturally prone to conflict. When one immortality project conflicts with another, it is essentially an accusation of ‘wrongness of life’, and so sets the context for both aggressive and defensive behavior. Both parties will want to “prove” their belief-system is superior, a better way of life. Thus these immortality projects are considered a fundamental driver of human conflict, such as in wars, bigotry, genocide, and racism.

    Another theme running throughout the book is that humanity’s traditional “hero-systems”, such as religion, are no longer convincing in the age of reason. Science attempts to serve as an immortality project, something that Becker feels it can never do, because it is unable to provide agreeable, absolute meanings to human life. The book states that we need new convincing “illusions” that enable us to feel heroic in ways that are agreeable. Becker, however, does not provide any definitive answer, mainly because he believes that there is no perfect solution. Instead, he hopes that gradual realization of humanity’s innate motivations, namely death, can help to bring about a better world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death

    PS. The Red Pill brings a realization of innate inter-sexual motivations of the Masculine and The Feminine and can help, with Game, to bring better sexual strategy for those lacking.

  37. @redlight
    “Hence it attracts groupies”

    lol ya, you can play Warcraft professionally and you’ll have groupies. It’s just groupies generally aren’t very high-quality (unless you’re in a band, then you’ll get hot groupies lol) and there’s only so many to choose from for most hobbies and in 2016 a jilted groupie can ruin your hobby with drama VS her not knowing much about you. I say just go to venues with lots of girls and be pro-active. All about efficiency.

    @SJF
    “I picked up on it because YaReally mentioned it.”

    That’s why I wrote that post. It’s one of those things where this has been happening all around you in every single interaction happening around you for your ENTIRE LIFE. But most guys are oblivious to these little nuances. Once someone points it out though and tells you “no, seriously, pay attention for this” it becomes neon glowing green light obvious. Now imagine you can see a zillion other little subcomm nuances going on and you’ll understand how girls (and good PUAs) see the world around us lol

    Like, part of why you don’t react to a guy who’s trying to AMOG you isn’t just that your actual reaction is going to affect things…it’s because everyone will glance at you, especially the women, AS it’s happening, to see changes in your body-language, state, eye-contact, etc When you legitimately give zero fucks under social pressure (which you learn to do by exposing yourself TO social pressure, aka go sarge), every time people glance at you they see you being unreactive and you keep your value or it raises depending on the situation.

    But every time they glance at you and see the other guy “getting to you”, you’re demonstrating that you react to him which gives him more value than you, because you’re showing that you CAN’T handle social pressure, which means you probably AREN’T used to succeeding in high-pressure situations and that you CARE what other people think of you, etc etc

    And all of this happens in those little split seconds here and there. But when you’re aware of those nuances, you can use them to your advantage.

    “But I had the realization that as a wingman, shit, how to I play this to my buddies advantage?”

    Like this, for instance. Now that you understand this nuance is there, and get what it means and how that dynamic works, you can now say “okay, how can I manipulate this dynamic to achieve a specific goal?”, which is what PUA basically is. That’s why I’m a good wing, or can lead interactions in the direction I want them to go, etc because I’m seeing all these little nuances and I know how to use them to increase my odds of getting the result I’m aiming for.

    You’re on the right track with the wingman stuff in that your goal as wingman is to just make your buddy look awesome. So in those situations I’m SUPER reactive to my buddy. I laugh at all his jokes, I ask him questions that let him demonstrate his value or tell stories etc, I’ll let him lead the way when we walk somewhere like letting him enter the room first and I follow behind him, I’ll look at him when he talks like I’m super-interested in what he’s saying (so whenever she looks at me, I’m facing him listening to him talk), I’ll ask him what HE thinks we should do or where we should go or whatever even if we already decided just so the girl can see that other men view him as a leader, I’ll ask if he needs another drink and be a supplicative little bitch lol

    This tanks my value to the girl, but raises his a ton. Especially if I’m still relatively cool compared to other guys, but I’m just subtly indicating through all these things that he’s the guy I look UP to.

    The only guy cooler than Blaximus to a girl, is the guy Blaximus indicates is cooler than him. 😉

    @kfg
    “Go to a game. Pay attention to how you and other men watch the game. Where do your eyes go?”

    This is a good analogy. When you don’t know the sport (99.9999% of guys with regards to subcomms and social dynamics), you focus on just trying to follow the ball and what’s happening in the moment. But when you know the sport well and have watched a ton of games and played a bunch etc, you’re aware of everyone on the field and you’re anticipating plays and keeping an eye on other players and their reactions/anticipations and referencing your “the last 300 times I’ve seen this play start this way it’s had X outcome” to make guesses about what’s going to happen etc

    @SJF
    “Or the ones you tell yourself you are not addicted to, that you can handle and don’t “have any downsides””

    I can’t think of any real downsides to talking to girls in your free time…can you list some? lol

    “Like when every thing else everybody does (all other hobbies) and seems to be having fun from routine life, they must just be deluding themselves.”

    I specifically said to each their own and if other guys enjoy that stuff, that’s cool, but I personally don’t and was speaking personally about myself personally. Quit taking everything as some kind of critique about your lifestyle/hobbies lol If you and your buddies like fishing, cool, go have a blast. I’m sure you’re not deluding yourself at all that you enjoy it. It’s just not my thing and I don’t personally see or get any value from it, that’s all. You listed off a bunch of stuff you do with bros and then asked me what I do with them, and I answered.

    “And you didn’t get my message about “Mission”. My point is that your mission, YaReally is PUA game. Not your job”

    My mission is really just to reach my full potential in all areas (who knows, I may even get jacked one day lol). Most people who meet me don’t even know I’m a PUA or do pickup. I have all sorts of goals outside of poon, but I don’t share them here because I’m not trying to make friends or anything here. You won’t ever see me talk about my career or hobbies or anything because I’m just here to discuss pickup. I have buddies in real life to talk about that other stuff with.

    “Maybe you should read “The Way of the Superior Man”. It not really as gay and new agey as you think.”

    If you enjoy his writing, cool, more power to ya. Some people resonate with some types of writing and others don’t, no big deal. But for me it’s too gay for me to sit through lol I’m not spiritual/mystical or into energy type woowoo stuff at all…I legitimately tried to read a few pages of it because of all the hype, but was rolling my eyes and had to stop.

    The PUA/red pill communities summarize a lot of these great books and repackage their ideas in more digestible ways to me. Like I haven’t read them, but I can have conversations about the content in them because it’s all stuff I’m pretty well versed in their ideas from other sources/summaries. I haven’t read Eckhart Tolle’s stuff but I’ve heard Tyler yap about it enough to get the jist of the message lol Like the Denial of Death thing you just posted is a big ol’ wall of text to me. When I scroll down and see it I just skim it quick to spot some key words to get the jist of what it’s about and then look for a tl;dr summary at the bottom and move on. My guess from skimming is that it’s basically Fight Club’s “You have to realize that one day you are going to die”

    I read the “Explain like I’m 5” forum on reddit a lot lol And I’ll just click through videos like the one below or watch it at 2x speed (while ALSO clicking through it to skip the fluff) instead of reading the book for hours:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPV43NCakY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTY8mzlwQNg

    I’ve heard most of this stuff through Tyler/Julien’s vids so none of it is really eye-opening for me anymore lol Julien actually has a new channel where he summarizes the key ideas from a bunch of books nice and quick.

    Either way though, I don’t really subscribe to the idea that anyone else can tell me how to be a man or what being a man is though, so I take these guideline type things with massive grains of salt and try to account for the author’s personal biases…like “I found myself through fishing, so men should fish to find themselves” or “a real man lifts, go hit the gym!” To me those are just that person’s personal biases/experiences.

    For me “being a man” just boils down to doing what you WANT to do, unapologetically, and ideally spreading good value to the people around you. Whether anyone else agrees with that or considers me or my actions manly or not doesn’t really matter to me. If someone wants to tell me fishing will make me more manly, I’ll ask them to quantify exactly what it is about fishing that will make me more manly and I’ll judge whether those things are things I want to develop, and if I decide they are then I’ll look for other ways I can get those same things that are more appealing to me (if fishing teaches me to enjoy quiet moments, maybe meditation or another quiet hobby can teach me the same thing but in a way I’ll enjoy more), and if I can’t find any other way to get those things then I’ll probably give fishing a go. That’s how my brain works, no idea about anyone else lol

    “That’s circular and disingenuous.”

    Or I just don’t know what exactly you’re asking lol Or I’m just ranting in general. Don’t read too much into it.

    “I do advise as Julian did, now that we have the manosphere and have refined Game references such as those of YaReally that a man should learn game early, master it and use it often.”

    I agree. No idea what we’re talking about right now lol

    “That is why Baltasar Gracian, Machiavelli and Robert Greene invented Law #10 of power. 25 years ago I learned to walk quickly away in another direction from passionless zombies. They avoid me now.”

    Spend enough time infield and everyone comes to the same general conclusions lol I learned to walk away from them by NOT walking away from them and realizing that sometimes being a little selfish with my time/energy is okay.

  38. @yareally

    “I say just go to venues with lots of girls and be pro-active. All about efficiency”

    You nailed it like usual. Now if rock climbing is not for you even though it would kill two birds with one stone, here’s some other activities for having fun and acquiring pussy AT THE SAME TIME. Now you will not be 100% comfortable at the start, but like learning to swim (in water or pussy), soon you will be able to dive in.

    Beach volleyball. Now Rollo can talk about dread all he wants, but speaking from personal experience there is no dread like having an inept female teammate. Still beach volleyball booty is the best, but to see you need to get out to the field or beach. Majority of women in 20s, wide value range including 10s, lots of energy.

    Yoga in the park. This is outdoor yoga, so you do get rainchecks. Fun activity is trying to predict what booty would look like when not contained in yoga pants. These women can be easily convinced to try unusual sex positions. Demographic is all over the place, so will have to recon to find class with 20s. Again get out to the field or park.

    Improv. This is indoor and I really think you need more sun, but learning improv could take your game to nuclear levels. Women are emotional drama types, so it will be like shooting fish on a boat.

  39. @YaReally

    “No one would say “hey man, quit eating healthy, have some junk food this week, you gotta have a balance!” lol “Hey dude, quit saving your money responsibly for the future, just buy a brand new TV or something frivolous and irresponsible, you gotta have a balance!””

    As much as I love you YaReally, this actually happened to me a few days ago. I visited my 89-year-old grandpa with my mother, and they both spent a considerable amount of time suggesting I replace my car. To me, the car seems mostly fine. It has 110,000 miles on it, and parts are rusting and falling off, and occasionally the engine makes concerning noises. But it worked well enough to drive me 4 hours to see my family and back, so I see no urgency in replacing it. My family seemed mostly concerned with me spending money because it would help the economy, even though my car hasn’t actually failed yet.

  40. @HowlingManTodd:

    I think that might be in part just a generational thing. Back in day a car that even made it to 100,000 was considered a real champ. Some people even threw parties over it. Now, you take it in for it’s first real tune up at 100k.

    ” . . . me spending money because it would help the economy . . . ”

    That might be in part generational as well, still carrying around Depression Era propaganda. On the other hand I’d feel better if they were more worried about what was good for you rather than good for the economy.

  41. @YaReally

    Thanks, man for teaching how to manipulate the dynamic of eye-flicking/glancing to achieve a specific goal.

    Great explanation of how to help my buddy as a wing-man. It makes all the sense in the world and gets me to conscious-incompetence. Just because of your explanation I should be able to blow through that to conscious competence. I always have told him that I’m there to make him look awesome (and he actually is) and we talk these things over and resonate with each other. Your sub-comm practical tips will help a lot.

    My excuse for the following is not to bore you with abstractions, it is an attempt to not be talking past you and more be on the same team. And because this shit enthuses the hell out of me, the same PUA teaching enthuses the hell out of you:

    “Or I just don’t know what exactly you’re asking…

    …No idea what we’re talking about right now”

    We’re not actually arguing per se here, we are having a fluid dialogue on red pill (Rollo’s abstract concepts) and game (concrete PUA game–YOU).

    The thing is guys like Rollo and myself like to think about red pill concepts abstractly (as men do) and write about those abstract concepts because they grow and grow into a much larger narrative. You in PUA and your writing like to think in concrete terms and concrete examples and concrete writing (as men do).

    So when I talk about a hobby or Rollo talks about tribes meeting up for a common goal, or going fishing, we are talking about an abstract concept of that goal or hobby as being important.

    Concrete vs. Abstract they both get us somewhere in masculine self improvement.

    This kind of shit–the abstract, in my opinion, comes from a 20 year generational divide and from guys like Me, Blax, Rollo, and KFG actually had our fill of concrete life experiences and want to fill ourselves with the abstract because it is good shit to us. (and there’s the less sex thing, too)

    Now I’m not calling you a three year old, (but I can if you want me to), but just call me 20 years older and having been places. And now I’m backfilling. Concrete vs. abstract:

    An example that applies to two or three year olds is the following. One of the favorite Dr. Seuss books is Green Eggs and Ham, which ends with the narrator changing his mind from rejecting green eggs and ham under any circumstances to trying them and actually liking them. At a concrete level of understanding, the story is about a stubborn person changing his mind. At a more abstract level of understanding, it is about people in general being capable of modifying their thoughts and desires even when they are convinced that they cannot or do not want to do so. This more abstract level of understanding can be appreciated by two and three year old children only if the higher level of meaning comes out of a discussion of the book with a more mature adult. At older ages and higher levels of thinking, this same process of more mature thinkers facilitating higher levels of abstraction in less mature thinkers characterizes the process of teaching abstract thinking. For example, this is how great philosophers, like Socrates and Plato, taught their pupils how to think abstractly.

    So that’s where the hobby thing comes in. As an abstract concept.

    Hobbies develop a man in many different directions if he has nine different ways, but at the root of it, the hobby is a metaphor for that guy being a man of action, doing something that he has a pursuit and a passion.

    Let me say that again. It is a metaphor. It doesn’t matter what the hobby is. It can be talking to and fucking girls.

    It is an abstract thing that males do. Which hobby it actually is is a placeholder for that concept. It doesn’t matter what that is.

    Also “A Man’s Core Mission in Life” is also used by me as an abstract concept.
    It is not even a real thing. It is just a concept.

    Your mission you say is: “My mission is really just to reach my full potential in all areas.” You know exactly what your mission is, you just can’t say it concretely because it is abstract. And it is good that way.

    Having a mission/pursuit/passion/hobby is what guys do actively. It is not just something to talk about that they did passively.

    In the abstract, I’ll gag you with some gay Deida:

    If You Don’t Know Your Purpose, Discover It, Now

    Without a conscious life purpose a man is totally lost, drifting, adapting to events rather than creating events. Without knowing his life purpose a man lives a weakened, impotent existence, perhaps eventually becoming even sexually impotent, or prone to mechanical and disinterested sex.

    The core of your life is your purpose. Everything in your life, from your diet to your career, must be aligned with your purpose if you are to act with coherence and integrity in the world. If you know your purpose, your deepest desire, then the secret of success is to discipline your life so that you support your deepest purpose and minimize distractions and detours.

    But if you don’t know your deepest desire, then you can’t align your life to it. Everything in your life is dissociated from your core. You go to work, but since it’s not connected to your deepest purpose, it is just a job, a way to earn money. You go through your daily round with your family and friends, but each moment is just another in a long string of moments, going nowhere, not inherently profound.

    Disconnected from your core, you feel weak. This empty feeling will undermine not only your “erection” in the world, but your erection with your woman, too.

    However, when you know your true purpose, which is your core desire in life, each moment can become a full expression of your core desire. Every instant of career, every instant of intimacy, is filled with the power of your heart purpose. You are no longer just going through the motions at work and with your woman, but you are living the truth of your life, and giving the gifts of your love, moment by moment. Such a life is complete unto itself in every instant.

    The superior man is not seeking for fulfillment through work and woman, because he is already full. For him, work and intimacy are opportunities to give his gifts, and be vanished in the bliss of the giving.

    Another thing us old married guys like Ian Ironwood (this comes from him, including the blockquote) do is have an appreciation for things. Hobbies for objects and things.

    This is abstrace discrimination for not consuming finer things in life, like wine, cigars, specialty beers, firearms and beautiful women is a James Bond masculine trait. Not because he looks cool.

    He looks cool because he can discriminate Jamaican Blue Mountain Coffee and insists on the best. Not just because it is any old thing. His appreciation for this one specific cofee or the the perfectly prepared martini is the expression of personal passion for the best. No matter what it is.

    Ian Ironwood: But a good Red Pill man has discovered this very important aspect of his masculinity — one way you know the Red Pill is working is when you look at your life and see the positive expressions of your personal passions not as remnants of better times, but as indicators of future directions. When you feel comfortable standing up for and pursuing a passion that your wife or girlfriend may not share, then you’re being Alpha even if she can’t stand the passion in question.

    So with that, I’m going outside to go do my latest passion and pursuit: haul and spread mulch on the flower and shrub beds in the landscaping.

  42. @YaReally

    No one would say “hey man, quit eating healthy, have some junk food this week, you gotta have a balance!” lol “Hey dude, quit saving your money responsibly for the future, just buy a brand new TV or something frivolous and irresponsible, you gotta have a balance!”

    But when it comes to chasing girls everyone’s all “you can’t do that all the time!! That’s unhealthy, you need to balance it out by climbing a mountain!!” and it’s like, well, WHY exactly? lol

    = FI in play/social conditioning…lol… like crabs in the pot…lol… BUT it actually serves the purpose of maintaining western civ…lol… bc IF all guys started sarging, all that ‘beta provider surplus production’ that keeps society running would dry up even faster than it is NOW…lol

    That chick barely gave any real resistance but just the fact that she didn’t immediately blow open like other girls was enough to send Krauser down a spiral of self-doubt and testing for compliance with a girl who doesn’t see value in him yet or any reason to comply with him, that’s why she doesn’t play along.

    i haven’t seen any krauser stuff (so i can’t comment on that… except that what you say about him trying to jump to comfort/rapport even without getting A2 makes sense if he worked this stuff out on his own (and props to him for being able to do that), bc you always need some comfort/rapport BEFORE you getting to escalation/bang, so it would make sense that he tries to get there (comfort/rapport) as fast as possible…and if he’s jumping around, that might be what he’s doing),

    but on that vip cajun video… (which has some solid game examples in a short time frame…)

    The chick on the left is “CLEARLY” a “No” girl response by the Krauser standards. Serious face, yells at him that’s not nice you can LEAVE now (NOT flirty) AND backturns him.

    i must be doing alright…lol… bc all *I* saw was a hard candy coating wrapped around a soft (dtf!) gooey center…lol…

    those girls with the hard bitch shields are just filtering HARD for an alpha stud…lol…BC she is dtf!… her hindbrain is primed and wants the D… but ONLY from solid alpha studs, no beta provisioning in play at all… lol…and per Rollo probably in her ovulation window… lol… the ONLY thing missing between getting THAT reaction and a SNL (and a new FB…lol) is some basic game and some solid logistics…lol

    some other points in that video…he could have had any of the 3 original girls, especially the blonde with the beer at 8:20…lol…

    and that is a great example of a ‘draw a shit test’ in action… Cajun COMPLIMENTS the girls on their looks at 8:10…”you guys look kind of cute…” (and draws the shit test by being ‘beta’ (‘chasing’ them))… and what happens then?… blonde beer girl gives him a shit test by turning away/ignoring him and having a drink (she was already pretty drunk…lol… but her hindbrain reaction is still on…lol)…

    and if she was his target, he could have just called her on her rude behavior… and agreed and amplified to generate attraction…lol… and later she is disappointed that he didn’t…lol…and leaves at 8:40… and then comes back to get the ‘no’ girl… with a ‘preen’ as they left (signalling to him that she was still in play if he wanted her…lol…)

    other quick examples that i noticed:

    – he leads her all around the block…lol… including the last one with the “french good bye”…lol…

    – HE leaves her first… with a DHV of getting back to HIS friends… so, he is obviously NOT putting her on a pedestal/chasing her…

    – the power of pre-selection at 8:33… brunette in the blue dress gets attracted out of the crowd (probably one of their friends) and stops to see what’s so attractive about him that ‘no’ girl is letting him touch her…lol…

    – the emotional roller coaster of bad emotions… followed by good emotions… followed by validation… etc…

    – ‘no’ girl reacts to the ‘win’ over her hot friends… just after they all leave and he feeds her hamster a pellet (8:48)…lol… AND he leaves on that emotional HIGH note…lol…

    “DAYGAME IS DIFFERENT!!!” “Here’s video of guys running daygame just like nightgame.” “SHUT UP IT’S DIFFERENT NO ONE LOOK AT THAT JUST LISTEN TO ME WHILE I USE MORE CAPITAL LETTERS AND GET ANGRY!!!!” lol

    lol… daygame IS different…lol…

    i understand what you are saying about daygame/nightgame being the ‘same’… and for all practical purposes they are…lol… bc of calibration… = IF you are calibrating to the girl, it looks the same because you start with wherever the girl IS in her emotional world… buuut, on the deep analysis they really DO have a solid difference… and i’m nothing if not pedantic…lol…

    in nightgame, girls are ‘out having fun’… but what’s really going on is that their hindbrains/hamsters are looking for alpha studs… lol… the ‘fun’ idea is just the ‘it just happened’ excuse waiting for conditions to align…lol… = the best alpha stud they can get in situ… and OVER some theoretical ‘acceptable’ level… (which is WHY social media/tech is pushing that ratio to 90/10… bc girls have increased expectations regarding their ability to ‘get’ higher value guys… so their base acceptable level goes UP…)

    in other words, in nightgame girls hindbrains are awake and active… BC that’s the REASON they are ‘out’…(and for the newbies/lurkers this is all on a subconscious level…)

    contrast that with daygame… which is mostly ALL the time when girls are not ‘out at night having fun’ (ie places where mating matches are an expected potential result…lol)

    in daygame, girls don’t have their hindbrains awake and active… at least not at the same level as during night game… bc a girl’s hindbrain is ALWAYS on at some level… lol…but that’s just a case of social conditioning on the girls… they don’t EXPECT to find an alpha stud in their normal daily life…lol…

    which is actually good for your daygame bc if/when you can ping her as alpha, the contrast will make you seem MORE…lol… whereas in nightgame, she sort of expects SOME alpha behavior…bc she knows guys are out for sex too…lol

    so, in daygame, you have an extra step involved… of waking up her hindbrain/hamster FIRST (it can be really fast, like less than a second with solid eye contact, but it’s still a step that needs to happen…)… and THEN running solid game on her…lol… WITH logistics sorted if you want an insta-bang…lol…

    so, i can see how some guys would think daygame is ‘different’…lol… especially if they are blurring some of the steps, and not specifically ‘waking up her hindbrain/hamster’… bc then the girl is just in ‘forebrain = ALL guys are beta orbiters” mode…lol… so, ANY guy interacting with her is not going to be able to get any traction on the seduction BC she is literally NOT able to process the interaction in that way…lol… she’ll just see him as a ‘nice guy’…lol…

    A guy who approaches girls without caring if he has AIs/IOIs sees a girl who’s just bored and needs someone to make her smile that bitch-face away.

    this…lol… it does take SOME amount of in-field (with direct effort on this point) to get to this attitude internalized though…lol…ask me how i know…lol

    And now I’m out. Friday night everyone, get out there! Try some lasers. Try to stick out an unreceptive set and turn it around. Practice some A1. Disqualify girls to see how they react. Introduce random strangers to eachother. Fuck your wife and play with your kids. Whatever, go have fun life is short! lol

    +1… and it’s saturday night tonight, so do it again!…lol

    good luck!
    —————-
    @kfg
    @YaReally

    Then he got splatted, as well as his kids, just popping out for fish and chips.

    yep, that’s why i try to have that same ‘enjoy every minute, no time for bs/sadness’ attitude that Blaximus models so well…

    AND i watch on-coming traffic pretty closely… (no lol on that… i really do…bc that’s the biggest risk on the road… although i don’t wear a helmet…lol)

    Many of the mundane things we do every day are no more dangerous than sky diving, and kill tens of thousands of people every year, but we don’t even really notice because they are “normal” activities.

    Climbing the stairs to the second floor bathroom and then taking a shower is more dangerous than going out for a bicycle ride on the open road, but nobody wears a helmet to do it. Because reasons.

    thaaaaanks!… now i’m scared of even going INTO the bathroom…lol…but WAIT!… THEN my bladder will EXPLODE!!!… oh, NO!!! NOW, i’m stuck in analysis paralysis!!…lol… AND i gotta pee!!!…

    just kidding…lol…

    my take on this whole idea is the same as yours… see behind the social conditioning when you make the choices in your life…

    It’s perfectly possible to strike a balance and have some things to enjoy now and a bit set aside. But bear in mind that debt based fiat currency decreases in value over time. Put too much in savings and you end up with nothing to speak of for all your saving.

    Put your money in capital assets that are likely to hold their value, or even appreciate, over time.

    ever the voice of reason…lol…

    good luck!

    ————-
    @hank

    Went to mall in good city

    Figured there would be lots out tonight . . .but actually, mostly families. Was dissapointing.

    but now you know…lol… so not a wasted effort… and props on staying to game anyway…

    MUST OPEN RIGHT AWAY.

    GREAT lesson!…lol…

    See, this is the frustration. In a nightclub, you can just open everyone and get to hotties, because people wil be there a while. But here, you can bounce from store to store to store, and hell, there might not be any decent girls in the whole mall. Its very frustrating. You have to kind of get lucky on the night you go out to practice — like the time at the bar I was going to where there were 4 asians in one night.

    ya, it’s a lot like fishing…lol…

    uuuggghh, kind of bad start. Felt my entitlement slipping. VERY MUCH want to do game in Victoria Secret, but no one was there hardly and wasn’t in right mindspace.

    Getting in good state early on is very important, because first few minutes are sticky. If good and I open a bunch, I get good vibes that are hard to throw off. If get sucked into being dissapointed from lack of girls, then tend to be more negative even if things start to turn around.

    sounds like you had a GREAT session…not kidding… noticing this stuff is tough… but the more you do it, the easier it gets… and THEN you can take steps to turn around your state…but you have to be able to know what ‘s going on first…

    Also discovered a new way to open. Opened on books as I was looking at them. But I wasn’t really looking at her. Just commenting on books as I looked at them, occasionally glancing at her. But it was just a very off handed convo, my interest was on the books. Will have to experiemnt with that more, but it was just a very interesting way to VERY gradually open to get into sets that a more direct approach wouldn’t work on.

    and then if she responds with something, you can qualify her as a girl that deserves a little more of your attention…lol…

    And more generally, going to so many places and multiple times in the day removes the stress from “ah, damn, no girls I like here.” I still have a SHITTON of places to go to. So just movemovemove gamegamegame and don’t think about it much.

    sounds like a solid plan…

    good luck!

  43. @YaReally
    @SJF

    You’re on the right track with the wingman stuff in that your goal as wingman is to just make your buddy look awesome. So in those situations I’m SUPER reactive to my buddy. I laugh at all his jokes, I ask him questions that let him demonstrate his value or tell stories etc, I’ll let him lead the way when we walk somewhere like letting him enter the room first and I follow behind him, I’ll look at him when he talks like I’m super-interested in what he’s saying (so whenever she looks at me, I’m facing him listening to him talk), I’ll ask him what HE thinks we should do or where we should go or whatever even if we already decided just so the girl can see that other men view him as a leader, I’ll ask if he needs another drink and be a supplicative little bitch lol

    ‘bobbing’ your head (like a bobble-head…lol) whenever he says anything is good too…lol

    on ‘the way of the superior man’… “if you had all the time and money in the world, what would you do?”

    beta provider game!!… FTW!!!…lol…cuz i’ve heard THOSE guys get the chicks…lol…AND laid like crazy!…lol

    and thanks for that reddit link idea… “bookmarked!”…lol…

    I’ve heard most of this stuff through Tyler/Julien’s vids so none of it is really eye-opening for me anymore lol

    i’ve actually gotten a LOT of collateral value out of pua/game stuff… it’s like the ‘non-socially conditioned’ inside track on self-help…lol… and since i’ve gotten into game, i’ve actually started exploring/doing “self-help” ‘normie’-style…lol… all the normal stuff like tony robbins, etc…

    comparatively, pua is ALMOST ‘unethical’ as ‘self-help’…lol…(in a similar way to that ‘running social ‘experiments’ at harvard’ idea in the ‘looks matter’ battle-royale…lol)

    at least that’s what it feels like through the social conditioning…lol…bc pua is all about SEX!!!…lol… there really isn’t ANY area of your life that pua doesn’t/can’t’/won’t deal with in an effort to get you to be a better man… and no boundary is off-limits for ‘ethical’ reasons…lol…

    For me “being a man” just boils down to doing what you WANT to do, unapologetically, and ideally spreading good value to the people around you. Whether anyone else agrees with that or considers me or my actions manly or not doesn’t really matter to me. If someone wants to tell me fishing will make me more manly, I’ll ask them to quantify exactly what it is about fishing that will make me more manly and I’ll judge whether those things are things I want to develop, and if I decide they are then I’ll look for other ways I can get those same things that are more appealing to me (if fishing teaches me to enjoy quiet moments, maybe meditation or another quiet hobby can teach me the same thing but in a way I’ll enjoy more), and if I can’t find any other way to get those things then I’ll probably give fishing a go. That’s how my brain works, no idea about anyone else lol

    that’s actually the same breakdown i see in Sentient’s alpha triad… dynamic, passionate, authentic… and the platinum rule…lol…

    Spend enough time infield and everyone comes to the same general conclusions lol I learned to walk away from them by NOT walking away from them and realizing that sometimes being a little selfish with my time/energy is okay.

    i agree with this… lol

    but i’m a little more ‘nuanced’…lol… when i run into these guys, i start to push on them a little…lol… not quite as hard as tyler here (tyler’s my hero…lol):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HINIK3pIOp4

    lol…but i’m not above pointing out the ticking clock and the pointlessness of their ‘current’ lives…lol… verbal ‘gun to the head’ as it were…lol… and social pressure… AND LOTS of encouragement…lol…

    good luck!

  44. Blair Witch project did it a little better, but props for the cineme verite’ overtones.

  45. @HABD – This – “those girls with the hard bitch shields are just filtering HARD for an alpha stud…lol…BC she is dtf!… her hindbrain is primed and wants the D… but ONLY from solid alpha studs, no beta provisioning in play at all… lol…and per Rollo probably in her ovulation window… lol… the ONLY thing missing between getting THAT reaction and a SNL (and a new FB…lol) is some basic game and some solid logistics…lol”. Brilliant.

    The difference between feeling rejected and seeing “hard candy” (great imagery) is all about one’s mindset – not her behavior. More to the point, if I see myself as the prize, then there is no such thing as “rejection”. It’s an opportunity to demonstrate high value.

    I’m still a work in progress. The “old guy” thing creeps in at times. I was at a party with a whacked, hb7, 34yo, whackjob and at first was immediately rock solid frame and we were literally touching each other within 30 seconds of meeting each other. She was hyper-dominant though and instead of maintaining my frame, I let the thought creep in that she was crazy (which i think she is) and backed off and lost the vibe. She kept trying to talk over me when we first were hanging out, and reframing everything I said and I simply held frame without escalating. She was clearly reacting well. But the thought that I was too old kept creeping in, grrr.

    In either event, it’s fantastic now as I see it. I see the effects of social conditioning so clearly, even when I’m stuck in it in the moment. Even with this HB7, I was so much stronger and opened so well that the spike was instant. Huge progress – and she WAS a fucking handful, lol.

    Another element in that scene was the presence of two beta orbiters who hung around her a lot, and it was at her house (mom’s house, who had MS, weird scene, lots of weird scenes back in the woods of New Hampshire) so she was just running amok. She was used to being a hyper, alpha bitch and my presence was a bit of a shock. The beta 33yo who’d invited me over told me to back down several times and to yield to her (later in the evening, after I’d withdrawn a bit) and even though I handled it intelligently, it was like he was trying to enforce betahood. I don’t think either of them ever fucked her.

    Not sure of my read on her. In my more natural days, I always claimed to have good “crazy radar” and would just steer clear of certain women who I considered not worth the freight. Now, with what I consider perhaps journeyman gaming skills, I can see how that was me bailing on sets that I lost frame on sometimes.

    Kind of curious to hear from the PUAs, what are your views on girls who act a bit crazy and all over the place? My initial taming attempts were working on this chick, but the logistics were also weird for escalation. I didn’t understand the social situation at all and didn’t want to blow up my friend who’d invited me, so at a certain point I was also reluctant to carry on because I didn’t feel solid about the dynamics of the people there. The intimacy escalated quickly between us, which was actually also surprising and threw me off a little bit. It was almost like inside I felt like I’d started something maybe I wasn’t prepared to finish, and didn’t know exactly where to take it.

    But it was still fun. It’s also fun to be socially intelligent in general. I’m using calibration a lot in everything I do now and am getting better results in general when working with people.

    Okay, out to a bar to see a band tonight and run a bit of bar game. All you single guys, get out there tonight!!

  46. Out at the bar last night, other men I didn’t know were greeting me for social proof. One pathetic woman asked me to act like I loved her, so I gave her a hug.

    One 25 yo gal I was dancing a lot with was quite affectionate after the dance and didn’t want to drop contact…then her friends went into semi-cockblocking mode, even tho I danced with them quite a bit, too…we’ve all known each other for months. All four are 7+.

    I’ve noticed that, after a while, a dance haze hits me and I lose focus and this is when I miss signals. Gonna try to notice when this hits and compensate.

    Near closing time, a couple of 6s were looking for my attention.

  47. Scribblerg, she’s the Queen Bee and obviously used to having her way in all things. If she’s the primary caretaker of a woman with MS then she’s also surely stressed up as all getout. Either way she’s not used to anyone saying “Nah…” to her or failing to jump when told to, hence some of the reactions.

    Who knows or cares what the beta orbiters are up to?

  48. scribblerg

    Interesting FR… These mid 30’s high strung females are interesting to me… and what I can tell you is the answer is in line with HABD’s “she is pinging hard for alpha” but in practice it comes down to dominance… verbal, physical and social. But it is quite exquisite when they come to heel.

    “and backed off and lost the vibe. ” – not dominant… and from her perspective, expected. another beta.

    “She kept trying to talk over me when we first were hanging out, and reframing everything I said and I simply held frame without escalating.”

    – he he… a great move here is to put your hand over her mouth, with full laser and shush her… instant arousal. And then mock mercilessly what she is talking about. Like until her jaw drops.

    “But the thought that I was too old kept creeping in, grrr.”

    Not dominant. right?

    “Another element in that scene was the presence of two beta orbiters who hung around her a lot, and it was at her house ”

    Great chance to out compete and be dominant right?

    ” I don’t think either of them ever fucked her.”

    But they want to… so they don’t want you to… overcome with dominance.

    ” My initial taming attempts were working on this chick, ”

    Probably asserting dominance right?

    “The intimacy escalated quickly between us, which was actually also surprising and threw me off a little bit.”

    Because you were physical early… i.e. dominant frame…

    ” It was almost like inside I felt like I’d started something maybe I wasn’t prepared to finish, and didn’t know exactly where to take it.”

    And this is why you lost out… you had dominance and backed off.

    reminds of a story… Have to circle back to it..

  49. @habd @culum @blax @yareally @PUA

    Went to mall. Walked through a lot of places. Store one, asked for sales. Girl showed me, looked for a min, left. store 2 woman’s store, asked for sales, girl showed, looked around, left. Store 3 was black people store. Just looked around quick. Attendant approached as I left. Just told him I was looking for stuff for christmas. Joked around with him about the manikins. Said that from out on the mall it looked like they were a group up thugs staring me down and we were about to throw down. Store 4 was another girl store, juts looked around. Didn’t ask attendants anything.

    Meant to chat with that girl at cookie store. Was opposite from other day. Line at first, went to bathroom, came back, no line. But I just walked past.

    Few more stores. Chatted with a couple vendors. Finally went to victoria secret. But . . . its like all families and teenagers. With little kids and all. Was bizzare. Looked at lotions, asked 40yr old about recommendations but she didn’t have any.

    Lots of people at mall, but again, mostly families. Not a lot of options. Still very few girls I like. Thing is really to go on weekdays actually. Again, very annoying from so few girls. In a real city, lol, days like today would be awesome. Just can approach approach approach. Walk into any store, and just talk to the girls there.

    But here, ehh, its juts a bunch of families. The # of attractive grils stays about the same regardless — though I think actually there may be slightly more on weekdays. But still rare then.

    Stopped by one last store. Saw 6/7 girl working there. Got busy, so wrote it off. But then she went back alone again. But I just was thrown off. Didn’t talk to her. Was very disappointing in this since she seemed very depressed and needed someone to cheer her up.

    That was the main thing I though about as I Ieft, that I wish I talked to that girl just to cheer her up some, since it didn’t look like anyone else would or even noticed.

    Bookstore at day 2. Chatted with girl. ESL. I think french maybe. Hard to understand. Asked her about board games, what did she recommend. Said she didn’t know. Asked her what she had in her hand

    “Eeet izz a RoBoot.”

    “So what does it do?”

    “Uuuh. Eeet izz a RoBoot.”

    “Lol, so you just want it because it looks cool.”

    She kind of curl into herself a bit, looks down, then back up at me.

    “yes”

    IOI, buut not sure what to do. Juts not sure what to say. Went back to looking at board games and she wandered off. ESL is hard. Should have cold read her origin then.

    That solves Blax’s concerns. OPENING on race/origin/ethnicity can make people a little upset. But I think the solution is to open on something else — like recommendations, commenting on surroundings, etc. THEN, when I start to draw a blank, cold read — in an off handed manner

    Like I have been noticing that I am provoking some resistance because my body language is more like I am about to go — which is Good, ep for hot chicks. But I need to be more conscious of doing it.

    But in the case of cold reading origins, it comes across as authentic if my tone and body language is that I am about to leave, then kind of offhanded “Ohh. Hey. You wouldn’t happens to be French would you?”

    Disappointing. Chick was definite attracted. And she looked like a girl that would be hot as shit in makeup, she had none on then.

    Bounced around a few stores. Went to VS here. More age appropriate girls. Went to lotion, opened milf on it. She told me about the ones she liked. I teased her on the ones she didn’t like

    “Oh, so those are for POOR PEOPLE, lol”

    So just had this slight condescending tone when she talked about the OTHER lotions, lol. She didn’t really dislike them, lol, but it was just a nice call out. Made her get defensive.

    “Oh, no, I don’t mean it that way.”

    lol

    “Are you French?” cuz she sounded french. though she might be bookstore girls mom, but I don’t think so now.

    “Serbian.”

    chatted more about lotion, then went back to origin. “Were you there when all the trouble went down.”

    “Yes”

    “That’s when you moved to america right”

    “Yes.”

    Told her I had a friend that did the same thing. Wished her well . . . but ended prematurely. She started to talk more about serbia. Good social hook tell. Hmm. But just left. Should have been like “no, go ahead, you were saying?” and also, again, need to watch about prematurely ejecting through what I say and bodylanguage.

    Wandered around fancy grocery store. Talked to lone blakc 5 about food

    “You can get food to eat here? Like at a restaurant?”

    “yes. pretty good.” and gave me recommendations.

    sensed something . . . off . . . usually just sit down but asked:

    “You mind if I sit here? Been out walking all day.”

    “Well, I am talking to my dad on the phone, but go right ahead lol.”

    Ahh, that’s what it was.

    “That’s okay, just need to rest a sec.”

    So just sat down while she chatted with dad and I looked at my phone.

    Left after a min, wished her well, and wander around store more, but no good options there.

    Went through day 2. Okay for ACTUAL day 2, but noticing its not reallly great for girls. Pretty consistently not that many people there. Opened a 4 white

    “What’s the coolest store here.”

    “I’ve never been here before.” kind of terse, defensive

    lol. its just so funny to me how defensive the uggos are. Its always the <6 that are the least opened to talking and having the biggest bitch shields. You'd think they'd MOST want to be hit on. Just strange. My body language is good and I don't come across as a creep — which is why, like that girl in the grocery store was 100% okay letting me sit next to her after like a 15 sec convo lol.

    But that's a constant thing. Pretty much everyone is friendly to me. Its often ME who ends the convo. But its that uggo white girls that just "uuuuuuhhhhhh don't talk to me."

    Its like that meme that says (hear guy intake breath within 5 feet) "I HAVE BOYFRIEND, GOD."

    lolololool. I juts don't get it.

    Saw girl at wine shop, who I was working about a month ago when I first made day 2 there and people bought me wine. Just chatted briefly. Asked about drunk guys. Lol, no they hadn't bothered her anymore.

    Again, as usual when not uggos, nice friendly convo. All smiles.

    Went to mall in bad city. Opened black guy on shoes

    "Where'd you get those shoes."

    "Uh. I don't know." Like he stole them lol

    "So you just found them out on the street. Cool deal." not like accusing him of stealing, but just "that's cool dude." tone.

    Asian 3 all alone in store. "You just look at your phone all day at work, must be nice." chatted a bit, but, just not attractive. Would have been awesome opportunity otherwise.

    Saw black girl. "You are copying me" pointing to hair. Again, always works (also did it earlier in the good mall today too lol) Her hair was curly. She said "You should get it curly." and I laughed and said as I walked off "Nah, I'm not gay lol."

    Went through some more stores but just, nothing really. Again, think weekdays are best. If you see a attractive vendor, can chat with her without interruption. And as with other place, there's really not much difference in attractive girls here on weekend, just more families. And, also, I think there ae actually LESS pretty girls just like the other place.

    Passed by food court. 2 set. ESL girls, maybe mid eastern.

    "What's the best food court restaurant."

    girl one "I don't know."

    girl two thinks "Pizza place."

    look at her skeptically "Lol, you are just saying that. That's not the one you really like. I bet you know someone that works there and you have like a money making scheme to funnel customers there."

    "What?"

    and then here eyes looked left and right quickly, like thinking "WTF"

    again, ESL thing. Cant really understand my teasing. Don't think it was anything I really did, she just doesn't know English well enough to get it.

    Went to VS. Same deal. Families, teenagers. Other thing I am noticing is all the workers there are always fat average looking girls AT BEST. Lol. Strange.

    Like I imagine VS as being a sexy place where sexy workers help sexy 20+ yr old chicks get sexy lingerie. But its mostly fat jaded chick who help underage girls get lingerie, or its a fat 30 something wife with her husband and caravan of winy children.

    Disappointing.

    Stopped by deli. Black 5 or 6. Wanted to chat with her, but too busy. Again, weekdays best for vendors.

    Went to 2 department stores. Nothing in #1. #2 had a worker on phone, blonde 6 "that all you do, chat on your phone?" "Lol, just when it gets busy. Can I help you find anything." just said I was getting out of heat and browsing. Again, just not interested. Saw another blonde 6. A little more my type. Asked her about sales, that I was getting a head start on Christmas. She said there were bikinis on sale, but they might be out of season. And I teasingly said something about yeah, unless they went to a hot tub or some shit.

    buut she was talking super quite. library voice. she also didn't pick up on my teasing. dunno if I would say she was weird exactly, but not really one to game.

    went back to deli. had opportunity to game worker now, but just didn't go for it. just wasn't quite set up right for me. little details.

    just went on too long in the day without being able to get more sexual. get kind of worn out. for first few times have to get off on a roll early and boom boom boom keep doing it over and over. but there are just not those opportunities and it makes it very difficult to make those leaps like that.

    Went back to deli in good city — where I told those black girls to buy me a cookie. Another black girl was cleaning the floor – 6. chatted with her about if it was very busy that day for a bit. nope. left, she called back to me that actually it was busy that morning. that was an opportunity to reengage, but didn't. Again, just not feeling it.

    One of the girls from last time was by bakery. She was the one that covered her mouth with her hand and laughed. She had dark lipstick on (last time was very bright), almost didn't recognize her. Asked her were she got that color lipstick at. She thought a bit, and said

    "The mall."

    "lol, just . . . the mall."

    "Yes."

    Was just completely different today. Not really being friendly. So didn't game her.

    Wanted to do the thing about my day was boring, robbed bank and made love to a couple models. Just a hohum, run of the mill day for me. tease her a bit, then when she asks me what I want just say "don't you owe me a cookie."

    other black girl was way more open to be gamed. this girl was just very different from last time.

    went back to bookstore. no options there. went to VS there, not many people now. just talked with fat worker (as usual) about recommendations.

    Saw a 4 white walking outside

    "What's the best store in this shopping area."

    "Oh I dunno I've never been here before."

    Also, as usual. Lol, just don't get it. Again, not like creeping on them, she was about past me when I just kind of nonchalantly said "hey, what's . . ." as if it had just occurred to me, because it had lol. Not like I am going to plan out talking to a 4 lol. I was juts like, whelp, might as well open her. So did it all fine. Its just silly to me all the crap you have to push through and they ust default being antisocial. Prettier girls I understand. And, oddly, they are the ones that tend to WANT to chat. But the ugly white girls are just so bitter and withdrawn. Just strange.

    Maybe its the tinder. They feel they are hot chicks, but deep down they know they aren't. Whereas actual HOT chicks KNOW they are hot, and appreciate a guy that can actually confidently approach them. They ARE hit on all the time, so they know 100% what's up, and they know when its good and when its bad.

    But ugly girls aren't hit on as often. So they don't understand as well. And they also want to get out their rejections so they can kind of convince themselves they are hot "look at all those guys trying to fuck me that I shot down." . . . when really most of them were just trying to have a normal asexual convo.

    But issue, as always, is lack of good venues and girls.

    Trick would be to go to like a nightclub, to approach approach approach to get lots of practice fast and get comfortable sexualizing. Can get plates fast here, since people are here to get hit on and fuck, so like that ESL french chick I would have had a good chance of getting there, even with language difficulties. Its just harder to get MYSELF and the GIRLS into that teasing, ZFG, sexual mindset in, like, a bookstore. So its sub-optimal to practice.

    Better to do it bunch in a nightclub full bore, then do the same in day venues, just more toned down.

    And, once have plates and have more hobbies and shit, I would enter these area with a better mindset. Like, the way I would do daygame, esp in a lingerie shop, would be to fuck a plate, then immediately go to day venues lol. With messy hair and clothes and everything lol.

    Its just hard to force sexualizing on a daygame venue, especially when I don't see girls I like very much to make me go "eeeeh, just fuck it. gonna sexualize anyway, this girl is hot, so fuck it, gonna give it a shot." whereas most of these girls are . . . okay . . . at best.

    That's why ideal is to go to nightclub where no one will remember you, fuck up a bunch of times. Get to where you can laser, use inuendo, self amuse, physically escalate, and also get a plate or two out of the deal. THEN you do daygame lol.

    For me doing all this stuff for the first time — have only gotten numbers about 3 times in my life maybe, haven't really ever been on a date, never kissed a girl — the stuff I am doing is now extremely sub-optimal and inefficient.

    So it is very frustrating since I know I can solve all these issues in maybe one night (well, maybe 2 or 3. May take a few times to get past environment and game) at a nightclub.

    May look into traveling further to go to a nightclub in a larger city.

    But issue there is just don't have much money, don't think i can affort just the trip, let alone a hotel to stay there. Then theres heath issues that make sleeping an issue, so I don't think it is a good idea to drive down there, go to club, then drive back.

    Would take a lot of work.

    worn out from walking so much today.

  50. “But issue, as always, is lack of good venues and girls.”

    Is that the issue? I don’t see you doing any kino… at all. and not even trying to number close? or instadating…?

    why?

  51. @sentient

    Never done kino before. Never had a gf. All this stuff is new to me.

    Girls here are mostly very ugly to me.

    So, your talking about doing, like, going for your first kiss, on a girl who looks like honey boo boo’s mom, in the middle of a shopping mall around a bunch of people.

    Have tried instadating, but, again, all new. Like asian 6 from a few days ago. Was gaming her at work – – as usual, this was the first time I ever did that – – but a bunch of customers came in and mess things up.

    So have to get more comfortable with gaming in stores, and with sexualizing there, and with working in other people as they show up, and again keep in mind I am doing all this stuff for the first time.

    Girls here are mostly very ugly to me.

    So, your talking about doing, like, going for your first kiss, on a girl who looks like honey boo boo’s mom, in the middle of a shopping mall around a bunch of people.

    Have tried instadating, but, again, all new. Like asian 6 from a few days ago. Was gaming her at work – – as usual, this was the first time I ever did that – – but a bunch of customers came in and mess things up.

    So have to get more comfortable with gaming in stores, and with sexualizing there, and with working in other people as they show up, and again keep in mind I am doing all this stuff for the first time.

  52. Hey. I got some Sunday morning reading for all you guys going out tonight. I had my peak experience at the ballpark last night and I have some farm adventures planned for tomorrow and Monday morning.

    Over the last couple years, I hope I haven’t been too much of a dick here. I like to think I’ve gotten better at curating manosphere thoughts to advance discussion, grow myself in self improvement and hopefully make other men grow and improve in red pill thought and game. (I personally think the back and forth the last two months has been fun and has added value, H/T to Scray, YaReally, Sentient, Blax, KFG and I hope more of ScribblerG and Forge.)

    I’ve been using the internet for self improvement since 1988. (Remember Prodigy and then Mindspring? I don’t but used them a lot.) I’ve been using forums since 2001 to participate in online discussion and debate.

    I have to say, I sucked at expressing myself all my life (hell I used to be as bad as The Man), but was very passable in real life due to skills. I have to say I like to be inventive and creative. Learn, read and pursue stuff.

    Today, I found Julien from RSD did some book reviews on a channel on Youtube. The one on Nassim Taleb’s Antifragile was pretty good.

    Another one struck my fancy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkN8BQqv1M&list=PLeztx1–I_i9qy46SV3zIaYQTDLvh_ddo&index=15

    So I stole like an artist from a review that Julien did, that he stole ideas and riffed on from the book. I transcribed it for those that don’t have time to watch it and added some anecdotes of my own:

    Steal Like an Artist: 10 Things Nobody Told You About Being Creative

    https://www.amazon.com/Steal-Like-Artist-Things-Creative/dp/0761169253?ie=UTF8&ref_=asap_bc

    If we are free from the burden of being completely original, you can stop trying to make something out of nothing, then you can embrace influence and stop running away from it. (Confused Man pay attention…and pay attention to what has already been thought of, rather than invent new shit)

    Read only the books, the weblogs, movies, tv shows that speak to your soul. If you do this your curated shit will be authentic. Here you as an artist will be a collector, not a hoarder.

    You have to be curious about the world you live in and look things up and if they resonate with you, you pursue them with a passion.

    I remember driving down to the public library when I was 20 years old and pushing my knowledge base. Up till then all I had was reading, writing and arithmetic and science as my skills. I actually checked books out on music and bought a $4 recorder (a gay little flute thingy) and played a few tunes. I remember this musical instrument as the most simple way to actually participate in music that was the foundation of a mans dopamine management. 70’s rock was totally fucking awesome in the 70’s. It was a life force. And I actually did something in private, my gay little recorder, but it was magical. Simple, sure but an attempt to use other parts of my brain that were dormant.

    Also, as I wound down my college undergraduate pre-professional degree, I took a pottery class in the last semester of senior year (along with an art-traditions class). That stuff was magical. Pottery is about the basest most simple form of art that only takes a modicum of talent. My roommate an I really engaged in it, whereas most of the class just passed through like zombies. I went to the studio and spent about 20 hours a week and created my ass off with all the pent up lack of art I had all my life. I created some great pieces, at least a hundred in total and got an A in the class. One of the funnest times being creative ever, but a springboard to a life of creativity, just because I had desire.

    I also read obscure topics in books just for the sake of learning outside school learning. I,started being an INTJ round about 14 years old and never quit.

    Back to transcription of the book review:

    It’s not about the book you start with, it’s about the book it leads you to.

    I digress: Artists have Happy Accidents when the plug along. I always fought that idea, that my father-in-law artist self espouse. I was more of a rote guy. But in my all other life beyond science and profession, I had plenty of those moments that I call peak experiences in hobbies and life outside of work.

    Back to the transcription: You don’t want to look like your heroes, you want to see like your heroes. Get in their heads and find out who their influences were. (Like read old manosphere shit like Pook, Shark, Franco, David W. South, Hawaian Libertarian, Roissy, Rollo Etc.)

    Like me curating here. I’m not trying to imitate Rollo Tomassi (my hero, who made my life fun again) I’m trying to amplify and transform shit into my own work (H/T to Scribbler and Forge the Sky in 2015, they helped me become literately less clinically retarded. In the past, I was an expressive retard.)

    That’s how I can flatter the good artists (writers) out there in the manosphere. Not by imitating them, that is not flattering them but by transforming their work into something of my own. Adding to the manosphere only something I can add. Whether it is good or wasting your time.

    I hope to not write what I know, but write what I like. Like Andy I like this shit.

    Like what did all these manosphere writers miss. What aren’t they doing. What is YaReally not getting. What is Rollo not saying about what Dutchman or Newlyaloof needs because he never had a dead bedroom (wait a second, where did those commenter go?).

    What if all my collaborators got together. Like in a Sun Wukong roundtable. Where could things go? What can I say different or inspire someone to get laid like tile by a woman or not swallow a bullet.

    Side projects and hobbies are important!

    The all other is totally fucking important.

    Back in my undergraduate degree, it was totally fortunate that my college did a lot of philosophy, theology and Humanities on the side of science and pre-professional medical stuff.

    Rollo had his side of behavioral psychology to his fine arts.

    It makes all the difference in the world ten, fifteen and twenty years later. All the difference in the world. I remember working in my profession 16 years ago and thanking God almighty that I had, invested and pursued the “All Other” besides my profession because of the all other on the side in college.

    I was fortunate, as was RSD Julian to travel while young and while in high school. All over the United States camping, the 5000 mile road trip camping my dad took us on in 1971, Europe for a month in 1976. That stuff carried me far and launched my career. I had a totally different perspective. I distinctly remember applying to a good college at the end of high school and my entrance essay was about my trip to Europe. It was about how totally fucking Socialist the countries were in my opinion and the USA was great at the time. But it was a game, a capitalist game. If it was a Game, then Game on, I’m going to play it well, with Game. And it got me into an elite school. And things turned out well because of that attitude.
    But I digress.

    Back to the transcription: Creative people need time to sit around and do nothing. To plateau and go out to your farm and sit in a tree stand and take a picture of a deer. Or shoot, kill and butcher it. And then stick it in your freezer for protein later in the year.

    Be nice, (lol good luck with that, me) The best way to vanquish your enemies on the internet is to ignore them, the best way to make friends on the internet is to say nice things about them.

    The best way we fall into traps and fuck up here on the internet is to try to pick fights, correct things and jumping into these back and forth dialogues that don’t help your work at all. (I don’t think that is what we have done lately with the back and forth, I think we are learning)

    Stop doing that and start making things. If you are frustrated, start channeling that into your work. And get comfortable with being misunderstood, disparaged or ignored. Not everybody will get it. People will misinterpret what you do, call you names and won’t see the years of toil and sweat that went into it. And that is fine. Your job is not to convince everybody. Your job is not to quit, but to keep making things and put them out.

    Be boring in your life, so you can be violent and original in your work. If you met me or Julien or YaReally (I presume, he is probably a good conversationalist) IRL, in quiet time, we would be boring as fuck. Expansion and contraction wise. Our small talk is boring. It takes a lot of energy to be creative which you don’t have if you waste it on other stuff. I assume YaReally’s down time is really down time. And when he is up, he is really fucking flying creatively with PUA. I’m up and fun and add value these days. I don’t know if other people always care, but I have abundance mentality and outcome independence. I have fun and do what I want to do socially.

    Creativity is subtraction.

    Choose what to leave out so you can concentrate what is really important to you. H/T to Rollo and the original post. Especially in an age of information overload and consumerism. Concentrate on what you can leave out (like watching inane TV shows like the Bachelorette, where the object of affections is really not all that attractive.)

    HABD earlier today: on ‘the way of the superior man’… “if you had all the time and money in the world, what would you do?”
    beta provider game!!… FTW!!!…lol…cuz i’ve heard THOSE guys get the chicks…lol…AND laid like crazy!…lol

    All these excuses. Do the best you can with what you have right now. Or you are never going to fucking make it.

    Quote from Jack White:

    “Telling yourself you have all the time in the world, all the money in the world, all the colors in the palette, anything you want, that just kills creativity. ” Creativity comes with constraints. And it’s often what an artist chooses to leave out that makes the art interesting. What is not shown vs. what is.

  53. @hank, scrib

    “Its just hard to force sexualizing on a daygame venue, especially when I don’t see girls I like very much to make me go “eeeeh, just fuck it. gonna sexualize anyway, this girl is hot, so fuck it, gonna give it a shot.” whereas most of these girls are . . . okay . . . at best.”

    It’s interesting as this was a concern in wacked whackjob story above. That is maybe you would fuck her, and maybe not. Then your subcomms will telegraph your indecisiveness and it’s over. It’s not like her boobs are going grow bigger while you talk, and you will change your mind.

    I suggest you decide on yes/no quickly (I forget the idiot that was promoting his “fuck ya” theory – no this was not fuck yareally, just decide go/no go). If you are no still approach and game since you need the work. I went to the grocery store yesterday for 45 minutes and opened three women, as usual, just for fun, got some laughs (to one I said “now I’m going to get arrested for this” with zfg subcomms, she laughed).

    I swear if you keep doing what you are doing, you will get laid even if your logistics suck and you have go to her place to netflix and chill. Just understand this, you are the prize and you get to decide who you fuck.

    (side note: wife came by 3 times while I was writing this on my phone, wondering if I’m texting, has dread)

  54. Sigh

    Find the video on your own

    JulienHimself Channel on Youtube

    Julien Blanc’s Book Club

    The Truth About Creativity – Steal Like An Artist

  55. Hey! I read Rollo’s posts. Why else would I be here?

    Rollo, TBP isn’t just orbiters (though yes, I enjoy their upvotes xD), many of the members are women and all we do is make fun of insane stuff written by incels, niceguys and TRPers

    Do you guys seriously watch the bachelorette??? 😮

  56. @emily

    “Do you guys seriously watch the bachelorette?”

    sadly I don’t watch the show, but I understand it has a great success on coma patients

  57. @SJF – No, she was just single. @Sentient is correct, I was initially very dominant. I didn’t place a finger over her mouth but I did tell her to “stop talking and do some listening”, don’t think she’d heard that for a long time. We were touching each other within a minute of meeting, it was quite a rush. I did that unconsciously, and without even being that dominant, I just immediately created a sexy vibe between us with eye contact and my posture and tone of voice. It’s like I was surprised it worked, as it never has worked that well, so quickly before.

    As for whether she has Histrionic Personality Disorder, who knows. But she was running all over the other guys and I was having none of it. There is much more to the story but it’s boring. I had headed out with the intention of playing some music with the Beta guy but he called an audible for me to meet him at this chick’s place (he’s a total jackass, just using him for social leverage and access), and I ended up busting out my rig (les paul copy, vox tonelab modeler, digitech looper and a small monitor speaker that i use instead of an amp when playing in places where 100watts is not cool). She kept playing music over us and then insisted we play along with her tunes.

    I’ve been in this kind of situation before and I simply tell people if they want me to play they have to turn the music off, but Beta boy freaked when I tried to do that with her. She had drifted off by herself and was listening to her music and singing and dancing to it a little bit. I could have easily handled her, but Beta boy was getting really worked up. I’m new to this woman and it’s her home and Beta boy is getting agitated so I decide to chill and roll with it. She ends up coming inside and Beta boy grabs my axe and they play together over her music. It’s awful, she can’t drum at all and he’s picking away on a great sound I created but doesn’t know music theory or really how to play at all. I begin to feel like I’ve been beamed into a scene from idiocracy, but i’d smoked a little weed and was relaxed, so I just sat back and watched it like I was an anthropologist or something.

    The whole scene felt socially retarded, I’m not using the term as an epithet but rather it was like the three people there were all socially inept. It was very odd. I made my exit and when she saw all the gear I was packing up (i ended the night early) she was like, “Oh, I’m so sorry, if I knew you’d set all that up I would have not been like that.” Like I said, bizarre. This was the second half of my visit, after i’d detached after wondering if she was crazy.

    Like I said, it was boring.

    FR from tonight: I was the party tonight. Made two new male friends (one new, solidified a guy i’d met before but now we have social plans whereas before he was just someone I’d run into), got up and got others on the dance floor. Chatted up the two hottest women in the place but couldn’t get attraction spike. HB7 blonde, 25yo, opened her badly, with, “You know you are like the only woman here tonight” She didn’t react well but I didn’t get thrown. I reopened later with, “My friend and I just said something bad about you.” She’s all, “What?!?” Continue, “You look like a girl who would have some weed.” She laughs and says, “In the car.” We kibbitz, I’m getting some interest and she offers to take us to her car. But then takes it back later. She’s dancing near me at a certain point, is friendly but I can’t seem to take anywhere.

    Tried to help my wing, bolstered him, was submissive while he was in set, tried to bring some energy to it and he got more energetic. But he’s so outcome dependent. He number closed her clumsily. I went back and opened her for me, but not much heat, made a friendly connection with her though, she’s a local who’s there a lot.

    I need some advice on how to spike interest and attraction better. Gonna go back to Mystery Method and review again. Got deeper in sets, was well calibrated, was outcome independent. Most of all I had fun with it all and really let myself flow. I kept trying to think of what I could bring to people and what I could give them, for the most part. Also saw interactions as an arc through the night versus rushing in. I felt the most composed and relaxed and unrushed I ever have been doing pick up in a bar. It didn’t feel like “pick up”, which I think was good. I danced a bit to this new band that I just loved. Great night.

    Off to NYC tomorrow, some gaming opps for sure. Will keep at it. Busy week though, ton of work. Got my business on track again, another diving catch. But I keep making it happen. I keep playing to win, like I mean it. It’s interesting how Game has had me see where I give up on myself and what I want, even as I play at a high level. It’s like if I value myself and take myself seriously, I behave way differently in everything I do. I’m so focused on work, so it’s coming out there so clearly.

    Life is fun again. Like SJF said. Which is nice, I’ve got that going for me…

  58. @scribblerg

    “As for whether she has Histrionic Personality Disorder, who knows. But she was running all over the other guys and I was having none of it.”

    Batshit crazy women will not shit test much compared to “frame test”. That is they will use their frame, they will re-frame you, and they will try to mutate your frame. If you maintain your frame intact you become the shelter to their crazy, and you can do anything to them (such as you can piss on them if that’s your thing). However to leave them after fucking them is to remove the shelter from their mind storm.

  59. @Emily – Got rid of the dish 3 years ago, sold my big screen 1.5 years ago. Don’t watch any broadcast TV. I too am surprised by men here watching the Bachelorette and would scratch my eyes out before watching crap like that. But then again, I do download some torrent and watch some cheezy shows that way sometimes. I’m currently working my way through season 1 of Aquarius on Netflix right now. David Duchovny really showing his chops playing a completely different character from Hank on Californication (which I got sick of after a few seasons).

    What are you wearing?

  60. @Redlight – Ding, Ding – on the money. Frame battle extraordinaire and at first I made the effort – it was easy, and that’s why she reacted so strongly. But I feel like if I fuck a girl like that, she may end up on my doorstep. I always referred to girls like that as “beartrap pussy” – it clamps onto you and it’s really painful to get them off of you. But it did feel like I could have taken her behind her house and fucked her right then and there. Not my thing to piss on woman, lol. Choking, gagging, spanking, restraining, all in my wheelhouse. But I don’t get the whole golden shower or poop players, of most weird sexual shit like that.

  61. “I don’t get the whole golden shower or poop players, of most weird sexual shit like that.”

    I don’t do scat

    A few years ago I posted two fetlife ads, one “respectful Dom, mutual consent, blah blah”, the other “no safewords, I’ll fuck you however I want” (which in bdsm means at a minimum a flogging then atm). I got no replies to respectful. I got three live (real women, local) to anything, all who wanted to hook up as soon as possible. There was a thread on r/TheRedPill recently on rough sex, which said know your limits since women have none.

  62. Lol cheesy shows every now and then is fine, but the bachelorette (or bachelor for that matter) is pushing it. I mean, I guess it’s fun to guess which ‘alpha’ she will choose, but I think it’s all scripted anyway and I don’t think it’s a very alpha thing to do to watch the bachelorette xD. My bf barely watches any TV regularly other than Game of Thrones (Ughhh)

    Socks.

  63. @emily

    I met a woman (attractive,slim) in real life who wanted me to be her Dom, even though I’m married, and wanted me to set a scene (coordinate a bdsm get together) where multiple men would ass fuck her while I watched, and, when she couldn’t take it anymore, I would cunt fuck her. What did I do? This is like the Bachelorette but not scripted.

  64. So you didn’t wrap it up?

    Not smart. A woman who has casual anal sex with multiple strangers (assuming this story is true) is a magnet for STDs.

  65. @emily

    I didn’t do what she wanted, I did what I wanted (assuming the story is true of course, since how could it be?)

  66. Longtorso
    June 23rd, 2016 at 10:53 am

    An her final advice? Enter into a reciprocal relationship. She knows nothing. Boobs and cnts made America great.

  67. hank holiday
    June 25th, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    It becomes 2nd nature after 10 or 20 years. Keep at it.

    Was in a sports store yesterday commenting to the wife on a mannequin that had lost its head over sports. A strange female chimed in out of the blue. The wife got very protective and clingy. Too funny.

    At 18 (in ’62) I was a Blue Pill as they came, even though Dad was a natural. He didn’t understand what he knew. And didn’t teach it. I have done better with my boys.

    My first GF (at age 18 for me) taught me the rudiments of Red Pill. I was SO lucky.

  68. @ Scribbler

    “I need some advice on how to spike interest and attraction better. Gonna go back to Mystery Method and review again.”

    I’m not going to give concrete PUA advice, but you asking for advice has me remembering Julian describing this as the Hook.

    I believe you have the Julian Pimp videos. As YaReally said, Shift is for internal mindset, Pimp is for what you are asking advice on.

    Go back and review the one on the Hook.

    ” I kept trying to think of what I could bring to people and what I could give them, for the most part. Also saw interactions as an arc through the night versus rushing in. ”

    In the Hook video Julian describes him rushing in with 90% of the content at that point in interacting rather than waiting for the girl to give up more than 10%. He described it giving value to her (his value, through the gift of gab, not leaning in like beta). He described it as giving value rather than waiting for her to offer up her time (taking value). You have to do most of the work and if it doesn’t work out, you need other options (other girls, other targets).

    I also like how Redlight reframed you interactions with the batshit crazy as a Frame battle. If you understand and keep that in mind, it makes your perspective better. My wife is solid in frame and HSE and she is not crazy (but is emotional like all women). I know when she is trying to keep frame, trying to re-frame and trying to mutate my frame. When she is trying to grab frame, I have to be even more outcome independent, meaning accept if I can’t keep her in my frame I still have to keep my frame. And I see her try even harder. Most times I have to let her roam. And I have to stay loose and above all not show any butt-hurtness. No butt-hurtness is the rule. Even if you are butt-hurt, don’t ever show it.

    Now that I can see the frame battle this past year, I can keep frame better because I know the sub-communicatinon going on. And just like the bat-shit crazy girl you encountered, keep in mind you were on her turf (her house) and she controlled the music by default with her stereo, whereas it was you that wanted and should have controlled the music. She was holding all the cards and had better cards. This happens all the time with my wife at the country club. I deal with it by just being better at my game (and that is working) and not being butt-hurt, having abundance mentality and being outcome independent and letting her have fun. I know at that point for me to be fun and add value. And just have fun myself. And eject or move if that is not happening. At the club I can always go off for an hour to the cigar smoking patio and engage other guys and that adds to my value when I hook back up with her. ( the women and girly men at the club are on the brink of terminating the cigar patio, Lol, it figures….they know what is going on there)

    It makes it even harder when batshit crazy girl or my wife is drinking (my wife doesn’t drink “too much” . But when she does she is fun and her mood is great she rolls with it and has a great time) and you are not because that gives them even more frame. I just have to keep up when I’m not drinking.

    “I could have easily handled her”….

    Yeah, if she was isolated. But she had her beta orbiters, so has the trump card in the frame battle. It is a frame battle. And she had the frame.

    Just keep practicing Game and being outcome independent. That is the problem for the men on the Bachelorette. That was your problem. How the fuck do you keep frame, when it is on her turf and she is stealing frame and you have no other options in Mystery method. No other girls in the room.

    Think about that. How can you be outcome independent in that situation? If you can figure that out, you’ll get better at game.

    Chad (super stud) on the Bachelorette had no other options (all of his playing cards were taken away by the format), and worse, he isolated himself from the other guys, instead of engaging them and giving them value. And there were no other girls he could game in private.

    If your friend, Beta boy wasn’t so clueless, he could have worked with you to interact with You and Him to steal her frame. Perhaps by playing your music without her being able to play her tunes. You and him make your own frame and welcome her to come into it.

    Hell yes, I watched the Bachelorette like a behavioral psychologist and sociologist and anthropologist. Should a guy watch it? Hell no, unless you got downtime to waste and can glean more understanding of these frame battles. Frame is not power. Good game is.

    (And Emily doesn’t count all the porn watching her BF is doing on the sly as TV. Because she doesn’t know about it. Who needs silly shows when you can watch porn?)

    “We were touching each other within a minute of meeting, it was quite a rush.”
    Kino, Kino, Kino. So quickly……Notice how you didn’t hesitate. I was told girls like kino. Lol.
    “The whole scene felt socially retarded”

    I socialize a lot these days. Couples socializing is my infield in married man game. At least 90% married and the singles are men. although I do get out in single girl target zones when I wing for my buddy and we stay sober (two drink maximum). You are the one that pointed that out to me last year when the others are drinking alcohol to excess. It always is socially retarded when they drink too much. You either have to keep up with the retardedness or eject or reframe.

    Great value in that field report Scribbler.

    Who would have thought that field reports are insightful for you and for us?

    And me writing that out helps me in my frame battles with my wife because it gives me perspective for the next interaction.

  69. My favorite way of treating girls who want to be submissive? “I’d like you to meet my wife.”

    Even though she identified as a subbie she clearly wasn’t given by the attempted top from the bottom. A subbie needs to be in my frame, even if it is custom made. She left bdsm and switched, oh wrong term, she changed to the swingers scene.

    Of course my story is clearly fake, Disney princesses never ever do things like that, I never get laid, sex is about mutual respect always, love is paramount, and as I typed this my wife just asked if I could tell that she was not wearing a bra.

  70. @Rollo
    Thought you might appreciate this pic,built this entry last month gate and lettering by other,letters RM are customers favorite dogs initials.
    It was a fun project.

  71. @Redlight – “Even though she identified as a subbie she clearly wasn’t given by the attempted top from the bottom. A subbie needs to be in my frame, even if it is custom made.”

    So fucking this. Fyi, Platinum Ruling today – woke up and didn’t feel like rushing to NYC so changed my plans to leave later, he he. May seem like a small thing but for me all the subtle behavioral changes like this are massive for me. i was stressing and tired from being out and up late, and felt guilty etc. and then caught myself, what is it I want? A cup of coffee and some chilling. I’ll get there later, no big fucking deal. Also good for me being unpredictable, power law shit.

    Back to the subbie. “Attempted top from the bottom” – I have been there. That domme chick I fucked a handful of times (not domme with me) was still always driving our sexual interactions, even though I was putatively dominating her. Until our last encounter, last October about. Fully digesting my internal point of origin and masculinity and not just being grateful that I was fucking a 27yo former porn star (prolly never mentioned that, he he). I was dominant and calibrated, and it was funny, she was still trying to control the interaction but her lust took over and that was also the only time she had a g-spot O while fucking her. I James Deened her without ever seeing James Deen before and she simply was overtaken and became truly submissive to me. Funnily, this was the last time we fucked, as I think this didn’t really fit into her mental conception of our relationship. I mentored her and she was a sexual “gift” to me, and her being truly taken by me didn’t compute. I wasn’t her “type” at all, and she wasn’t really attracted to me or turned on by me. Fyi, this is why I stopped the whole mentor game, I don’t like non-desire sex. Now I’m climbing a steeper hill but will get there. I can see the summit from here…

    I didn’t really understand this ‘topping from the bottom’ phenomenon overtly when pre-RP but got it viscerally and would always assert myself somehow. Sometimes it took the form of a woman ‘taking away her orgasm’, insisting she had a hard time cumming. In that case, the best play is to tell her you own her orgasm and will not let her cum until you want her to. One woman who told me that for the few weeks we dated before we fucked came within 10 seconds of me entering her, lol. The underlying dynamic was that I didn’t let her use her holding off sexually to control me, to dominate our sexual interactions. The first time we got hot and heavy and she slowed me down, I just stopped and moved on and acted like nothing happened. The second time I told her, “Look, we’re not in fucking high school. I don’t like getting all worked up and then being told to wait. I’m fine with waiting a little bit of time to have sex if that’s important to you, but what I won’t do is get all worked up and then be frustrated. So, don’t start making out with me and getting me all hot and then stopping. I don’t do that.”

    She was shocked, and tried to start a fight over it but it just petered out cuz my frame was so solid about it. By not trying to coerce her into having sex with me, I took away her control – zero thirst. And it was a legit frame, i had an abundance mentality to some degree, even while being Blue Pill as shit. Fyi, this is the same woman who later revealed she essentially wanted me to rape her (not just be forceful and rough). I never really understood this conceptually until the Red Pill but got it viscerally.

    The bizarre part about those women? They seem to have an over sexual strategy to turn men into Beta subs who they then won’t want to fuck. Lol, fucking women, they are so fucked up. It’s all signaling and passive-aggression, all subcomms, so manipulative and in a way very childish. But fun once you crack the code.

    I had this one uptight super WASPy gf for a while, who announced to me before the first time we had sex that she had a hard time cumming with a guy. I just laughed and told her to shut up. That if she was with me, that I owned her orgasm and that I would make her cum when I wanted to but probably wouldn’t let her cum, and would tease her with it. A couple of hours later she’s panting and begging me to let her cum as I kept bringing her to the brink and then holding off. It was so delicious, and of course, she was my submissive little sex toy after that. Broke her into anal etc. But the fucked up thing was that over the course of the next few months, her fucked up programming kept asserting itself in subtle ways and she made it harder and harder for herself to cum. She “took her orgasm back” and I told her she was doing this and told her it was her loss. I would just get my pleasure from her and dumped her shortly thereafter. Of course, she had deep psychological problems, bolemia and other shit. I didn’t feel like working so hard to overcome her constant need to fuck up things so I just moved on. This shocked her too, like she couldn’t comprehend why I wouldn’t put up with her antics.

    Christ, I wish I had the Red Pill back then. Would have been so much easier to wrangle bitches. I had so many more choices then and could have had a little harem of plates quite readily. Half my game was fantastic, but the rest was shit. I did manage to dump them when they became difficult, always a shocker for them. But I also thought there was something wrong with me for being this way. Turns out an abundance mentality and a low tolerance for nonsense after putting up with way, way, way too much of it from my fucking cunt ex-wife (cover narcissistic personality disorder) was a good start but not enough.

    Okay, I have to rally to do some housecleaning and other shit but I just don’t care. If I was married, my wife would be telling me to get off the computer and get the shit done I said I’d do, he he. Fuck that, I’m going to goof off until I’m good and ready to get busy. Platinum Rules…

  72. “The bizarre part about those women? They seem to have an over sexual strategy to turn men into Beta subs who they then won’t want to fuck. Lol, fucking women, they are so fucked up. It’s all signaling and passive-aggression, all subcomms, so manipulative and in a way very childish. But fun once you crack the code.”

    You do see what you did there Scrib?

    HABD would say it’s the FI working on you– be voicing or thinking that it is fucked up. It’s really not. It’s normal female behavior.

    Rollo and Joseph W. South would say that it is biologically hard wired, hormonal and evolutionarily designed that way as normal operating procedure.

    Take the getting pregnant and having kids out of it and its the same damn programming that ever was in women. It’s actually not fucked up it is totally normal. And it has been for a long time. So just crack the code (red pill awareness and Game on (PUA) and don’t let it get to you.

    Do you see the parallels in your Dom/sub stories to the following blockquote without the pregnancy and children? It is just that your anecdotes are time compressed but it is the same damn thing metaphorically. It is manipulation to betatize you for her safety (in her female mind, even if she is not conscious of it, to be dominant is to be in control. She can only submit if she is not in control):

    Totally Normal Female Stages of Manipulations

    On the biological level, the female of our species is programmed to:

    1. Elicit a strong sexual attraction in one or more strong males.

    2. Feel a strong sexual attraction for such males.

    3. Become impregnated by her choice of male.(optional)

    4. Have a male to provide materially for both her and her infant child.(optional)

    5. Afterwards, she will subconsciously tend to operate in such a way so as to have her sexual attraction for that male decrease. (If the male allows it– if he allows betatization)

    6. Wash, rinse, repeat: she will tend to have more sexual intercourse and more children with other strong males.

    We call this process betaization, where the strong, alpha male is rendered beta — which means “secondary” or “subservient” — within the relationship, over a period of time. Quite often, this process occurs gradually and almost imperceptibly to both parties.

    Manipulation is widely used by women to achieve:

    • Safety and comfort for her and her children, with their survival being the primary purpose.

    • To thereby influence the man’s mind in such a way that he will feel compelled to protect her and her children, especially before pregnancy, during the pregnancy and throughout the children’s early developmental years.

    Female manipulation can be either creative or destructive, depending on the desired outcome. From the point of view of the man, female manipulation can be considered “good” when it supports life and the man’s interests and “bad” when it destroys life and/or damages the man’s interests.

  73. Giant Sunday afternoon post cause I finally have the day off and there’s a lot of good shit in this comment section. Props to all the dudes going out and pushing their comfort zones and writing Field Reports and pressure-testing this stuff.

    @having a bad day
    “BUT it actually serves the purpose of maintaining western civ…lol… bc IF all guys started sarging, all that ‘beta provider surplus production’ that keeps society running would dry up even faster than it is NOW…lol”

    Oh I don’t disagree. But the men who’ve stumbled across this corner of the net are clearly unsatisfied with that system, so I say give them the truth and let them decide what they want to do with it. I know lots of Blue Pill guys that are perfectly happy with their Blue Pill lives. “I could be happy being poor if I’d never been rich” and all.

    “i haven’t seen any krauser stuff (so i can’t comment on that… except that what you say about him trying to jump to comfort/rapport even without getting A2 makes sense if he worked this stuff out on his own (and props to him for being able to do that), bc you always need some comfort/rapport BEFORE you getting to escalation/bang, so it would make sense that he tries to get there (comfort/rapport) as fast as possible…and if he’s jumping around, that might be what he’s doing),”

    That’s basically the thing. He prides himself in the product on the jumping around thing, and the jumping around thing is great on girls who are receptive. I jump around too (sprinkling in attraction spikes during rapport/comfort etc). But sticking to that gaming out of order thing is what’s making a girl like that audio clip stay a “No” girl…because she isn’t immediately receptive and he doesn’t just stick to the rule “if she’s not giving you A2, she doesn’t WANT C1 with you, so stick to A1 until you have A2 and THEN go into your C1 stuff” so you can hear him keep trying for rapport/comfort over and over and she just won’t bite. It’s not because she’s a bitch or a “No” girl, he’s just not following the sequence of events that lead to seduction that Mystery backwards engineered (VS theorized).

    It’s like in business if I said someone wasn’t going to make a million dollar deal with you unless they trusted you, we’d all accept that. And if you didn’t build trust with them and then kept badgering them for that million dollar deal, they would just stay resistant and even get MORE so. It would be silly for you to write them off as a “No” businessman, you just didn’t do the necessary things to make them a “Yes” businessman because you didn’t calibrate back to building that and THEN try for the deal. There’s a certain order to things and you have to flip certain switches before she even WANTS you to flip other switches or to help you flip them.

    This is why in the oldschool community Tyler talked about how you can’t NEXT a girl you haven’t FUCKED. That’s HER Next’ing YOU because her not wanting you means you couldn’t figure out how to solve the situation and fucked up somewhere along the way. That’s why we learn how to turn things around because if I get a really hostile reception from a girl, that indicates to me that I haven’t DHV’ed enough for her to be friendly.

    She’s not waking up Christmas morning with her dad handing her a present going “FUCK OFF DAD!! Fuck you, ugh!!” and backturning her little brother. Because those people have value to her. She’s pleasant as pie to them. And she’ll be pleasant to you, IF you demonstrate value to her (calibrated to her value system which you learn to read quickly infield…ie – a hippy chick you probably want to demonstrate your creative artsy side, a rich chick you probably want to mention your career ambitiousness etc).

    In that Cajun video the girl warms up because he DHVs in her value system (offensive humor, which she admits she finds funny the second she says “well it depends” about laughing at retards lol), and he picks up on that and plays off it so she does a complete 180. Whereas another girl who doesn’t find that stuff funny would be turned off by that DHV and he would have to calibrate and DHV in a different way to win her over.

    The MAJOR part of Mystery’s game was A1. All the other stuff was pretty simple from having A2. Just qualify her, ask about her hopes and dreams and kill time and lead her to isolation, no biggie. The key part was that A1 to A2 section, that’s why Mystery had a shitload of magic tricks and teases and negs and push/pulls and group theory and AMOG stuff and social proof and preselection etc etc all of that shit was to help him DHV to get A2. If he doesn’t have A2, he doesn’t try for Comfort.

    It’s a beautiful elegant system because it means that you basically ALWAYS get rapport/comfort when you try for it, because you DON’T try for it until you HAVE A2 (Female to Male interest) and because you put her through A3 (qualifying her on something besides her looks, then rewarding her with A3 (Male to Female interest)) and she feels like she’s EARNED you. So when you THEN go for C1, she LOVES it because she WANTS it.

    But jumping around and trying for C1 as soon as possible, if you don’t have value to the girl off your open, she doesn’t care about C1. If she’s friendly she might be open to it (which is a lot of what Krauser runs into, and like hank holiday is running into that, the friendly girls are generally open to a conversation) and that CAN be turned into a lay, but that’s different than her CRAVING rapport/comfort and it’s why when she ISN’T immediately receptive, pushing for C1 over and over doesn’t work (and in fact the more you do it the LOWER your value goes, which is the default chode way of gaming “So uhhh do you come here often? Cool do you like it? Cool what do you do?” Those chodey guys don’t understand A1-A3 so they just shoot for rapport immediately and the girl makes an excuse to leave or rejects them because they have no value to her yet. If they just knew to DHV *FIRST* and how to build A2, they would probably GET C1. For the highest consistency, understanding that whole A1-A3 thing is important. You can get by without it, but you’re playing more of a numbers game and not prepared to handle girls who aren’t immediately receptive (which is fine if you base your system around calling all of those girls “No” girls to cover up your lack of A1-A3 skill, which comes back to making EMOTIONAL IMPACT on the girl as I’ve talked about before)

    “i must be doing alright…lol… bc all *I* saw was a hard candy coating wrapped around a soft (dtf!) gooey center…lol…”

    lol me too. But like I say, her blowing him off is WAY harsher than I’ve heard any girls blowing off Krauser, but Cajun is completely unfazed and knows how to turn it around, while again you can hear in that Krauser audio clip when there’s resistance it’s like “shit she doesn’t want rapport…how fix?? Maybe MORE rapport??” lol Which doesn’t mean his system is bad, it’s just like I say, not as good as it COULD be and it’s not preparing guys for how to turn those sets around.

    The funniest part to me is the reactions of the judges “That girl flipped like a pancake!!” and I like when the Tom Cruise wannabe guy finally clues in to what Cajun is doing and is all excited that he can see/understand it even though he was a hater earlier in the episode. It LOOKS like magic to flip a girl around like that, but it’s really not, it’s just understanding how Attraction works and understanding that A1-A3 section.

    “some other points in that video…he could have had any of the 3 original girls, especially the blonde with the beer at 8:20…lol…”

    Ya from his field report on the show:

    “Third set: This was the most difficult. I purposely asked for the hardest games they had and made sure to open the hottest girls that were in the club because I wanted to prove that what we teach works.

    I figured that the more the girls hated me the more impressive it would be when I turned it around so I opened with “You guys look like a bunch of retards, are you cool though?” The reaction was exactly what I expected, they got pissed and asked me to leave. I acted unfazed and kept talking, again using my subtext, to convince them that I actually WAS cool. Chris was spot on about me interrupting and ignoring the target, she wasnt the hottest one of the group but she gave me the most guff, so I figured it would look more impressive to turn her around. I kino’d her friends just enough to build rapport and a bit of a jealousy plot (see the upcoming interview series where Tenmagnet, Braddock and I talk about jealousy plots) Her hot friends actually got upset at the end when I ignored them for her, attempting to sabotage me by saying “Thats weird” and actively trying to pull her away hahaha.

    Result: I used textbook on this one as opposed to my more natural method in the second set. I figured it would look the best given that I open with a huge handicap (ie a terrible neg). She went from hating me to kissing me in less than 3 mins, so that says a lot about how effective textbook can be when used properly.

    Keep in mind that my “game” isn’t really like what was shown on the show. In reality im much more natural and I use almost no routines. Now thats not to say that routines are bad, they’re not, they’re extremely helpful. But after you use routines long enough you start to realize that you don’t need them. Oh and by “textbook” I of course mean Magic Bullets hehe.”

    Notice how he VERY PURPOSELY tried to piss them off because he just KNOWS he can turn it around. He knows it’s no big deal and to just stick to the strategy (Magic Bullets is basically just Mystery Method condensed). Like, when you understand this stuff you get why that Krauser audio where the girl is just “not immediately receptive and playing along” throwing him off comes off as just not being prepared or really understanding how to deal with turning girls around.

    “I actually did quite a few sets at that place actually. When I first got there I wasn’t even supposed to be on the show, I just went to support my cousin (Mitch). The guy Mitch was up against was really weird on camera so they asked me if I would fill in, I did. I thought they always had the camera on me at first so I would randomly go out and open sets thinking they were filming. I did a lot of funny stuff they only got the audio for haha. I think I come across a little cold, and manipulative because they didnt show many shots of me doing funny stuff, oh well.”

    Really the whole thread is a good read but it’s spread all over the place so here’s some good shit from it. First up some preselection stuff:

    “Q: How was the VIP party?

    A: It was fun! We drank a LOT though. More than the producers thought possible because they got a little mad at us. We also got VERY drunk. The funny thing was that I actually brought Mitch and 2 hot girls WITH me so we kind of had our own little party and the models were all coming up to us and being like “I saw your show, your lines would TOTALLY work on me” (they get to stand and watch in the background during the panel judging). That was pretty funny.”

    But a wild hater appears:

    “Hater: Okay fellas let’s stop the bullshit here for a second. Cajun, the chicks were checking you out beforehand. That’s what they don’t show on the show. Every guy that is successful knows that women do the choosing. The bitches were already attracted to you before you even opened your mouth. They checked you out beforehand when you entered the club. You and me, we both know that.”

    “Cajun: Wow, so many stupid things said in this post. 1. Nobody saw me enter the club. I was in the production tent from before the bar even opened. I only came out once it was packed. 2. I picked the hottest sets, this was in a bar in bumfuck Ontario, there were maybe 7-8 “10s” in the entire bar. I didn’t wait around for them to “notice me” I only had 3 minutes. NONE of the girls saw me before I opened. I was hidden between sets so people wouldn’t catch on.”

    “Hater: Cajun, you are good looking and were standing out.”

    “Cajun: I may be decent looking, but not enough to turn the heads of any 9+ looking girls. I even tried to handicap myself with that ridiculous moustache!”

    “Hater: 95% success rate? I believe you! So do I when I approach the women that are checking me out. It doesn’t matter what comes out of your mouth after that. It’s game over after that point. Done deal.”

    “Cajun: Hahaha ok now I know you’re full of it! Anyone with experience knows that this just isnt the case. Attraction with women comes and goes, sometimes simply the way you walk up to a girl after she “eyes’ you can ruin it for her. I know a lot of good looking AFCs that have this problem, in fact I just commented on a thread about this very issue. Nice try.”

    “Hater: That’s the big secret of game and that’s what none of the instructors likes to admit.”

    “Cajun: Ummm no. If we waited around for women to notice us we would be….well we would be AFCs, or at the very best douchebags.”

    “Hater: Go on a show where they pick out the women that you have to approach and we’ll see what happens then…”

    “Cajun: Find me a show, I’d be more than happy to. Better yet, come to a bootcamp and you can pick sets for me all night long if you like, save me some trouble.”

    lol dat inner-game.

    “Hater: Chick 1 was already digging you and was tipsy with beer in her hand. The face was blurry that’s why can’t see what her eyes were doing. Her BL also showed that she was into you and you immediately got her attention. She touched you after 10 seconds.”

    “Cajun: I’ve always said that body language, subtext and tonality are infinitely more important than anything you can say. Nobody is arguing with you here, you seem to be hell bent on proving that it was not my “game” that attracted these girls. She was attracted once I:

    A. Expressed non-needy tonality.
    B. Locked-in with relaxed BL.
    C. Passed her shit test (“Do you WANT to look like a drug dealer?”)

    That all happens in the first 10 seconds. Did you notice how I casually cut her out from her group after about 20 seconds? What is coming out of my mouth is always the last thing I’m worried about.”

    “Hater: Chick 2 The number is either fake or she flaked later on. Let’s be real here. You didn’t bang that chick.”

    “Cajun: She texted me AFTER the bar closed with (Yes I still have the text): “lol u should come join us for a drink at my place, explain what I signed my life away to haha..” (referring to the release she had to sign afterwards) I was already on my way back to Toronto at that point, unfortunately. I got her number in a very bold confident way, something women tend to remember.”

    And to your point about him being able to get any of them, having a bad day:

    “Hater: Chick 3 She wasn’t that hot and wanted attention and wanted to show off.”

    “Cajun: Attention and show off to who? Me? Awesome! I guess my game rules! She wasnt the hottest in the group, I picked her because she was the meanest to me, the other girls would have been even easier as they werent even giving me shit tests. Listen to the tone of the girl who I say “Your friend was the only one who got mad at me.” she says “I know! she was!” in a way that I can tell (from experience) that she was attracted to me, just by her tonality.”

    “Hater: …as we all know numbers don’t mean jack shit. Girls are out there to have fun and are talkative, but that doesn’t mean that they want to fuck you.”

    “Cajun: Nope you’re right, and I’ve heard of a few other guys who have seen the episode and been like “Fuck that, if I was on there I would have had them in the washroom in like 3 mins! this guy sucks!” Few things to ponder:

    1. I was representing The Mystery Method and LoveSystems and I wanted to do so in as classy a way as possible. I didn’t think fucking girls in a washroom or getting copious makeouts was really the best route. I also had my friends and family watching, who already look at what I do as a tad on the sleazy side.

    2. They don’t want you to do that shit. Think about it, it totally changes the ethics of the show, not only that but it makes it near impossible to get their signatures on the release afterwards. My first girl didn’t want her face shown but she at least agreed to have her “likeness”. If I had fucked her in the washroom and then had someone come up to her telling her it was all for a show, she would have been destroyed.

    3. Ironically, my first set of the night (before they started filming) ended up with me taking a girl to the washroom. Upon exiting the washroom with girl in hand, one of the shows producers came up to me and said “Dude we caught that on camera, you’re a fucking legend, we need you to take the place of this other dude, he’s too creepy on camera.” That’s how I got to be on the show.”

    On that male stripper episode:

    “Random guy: To be fair, that has actually happened before on the show. This male stripper with ZERO game (all looks) ends up taking a girl into the bathroom in round 3 (video). Unbelievable. You can see her face too, I guess she signed the release after all!.”

    “Cajun: Yeah the producer told me about that, but things were a little different with me. Firstly it was already well into the night when they decided to use me instead of the other dude, I only had about an hour to get everything they needed. If I got a girl to go to the washroom and she refused to sign (which honestly is what MOST LIKELY does happen) then I would have wasted precious time. Every set that I did that they filmed, they used, and we finished just as the bar closed. Secondly, as I said before, since I was being introduced as a “PUA” and someone who uses “lines” I felt the best route would be to simply get solid numbers as smoothly and impressively as possible to give the company (and my name) a clean image.

    EDIT: Also just to clarify, it was the fact that the other dude was creepy, not that they saw me get a washroom lay, that led to me getting on the show. They just happened to see me get the washroom lay as they were tooling with the cameras before the shoot, and thought it was awesome.”

    And you can see my breakdown of that male stripper episode and why it’s not as impressive at is looks at first glance when you understand all the little subcomms going on, in the bigass looks debate or hit my archives to look for it.

    “Looking back over it again, yeah, there is definitely some initial interest, but I wouldn’t say its BECAUSE of my looks. Women can be attracted to someone *instantly* and it’s rarely solely based on their appearance. In this case I believe she was attracted because I had the right body language, a non-needy tonality, was dressed well, and had something interesting and funny to say. It could also be because I had just gotten a BJ in the washroom, but thats besides the point.

    Honestly, I usually have to fight for attraction from 10s, but even then I usually get it in the first 10-20 seconds. I used routines in the set simply because I wanted to show off, of course I didn’t need them, I never do, but they DID work, it’s because of those routines that I was overqualified, they pushed my value over her limit!

    And again, I did not “steak out” my sets, I had no time. I would be hidden and then they would say “Ok you need to play this game, GO!” and then I would be released into the crowd and I just looked for the hottest group of girls to play the game on. I had like a 1 second rule going on haha.”

    In that first set on the episode you can see the girl not believe that he ACTUALLY wants her number (his value shot too high for her to believe he’d actually want her, even with his ridiculous look) and he has to calibrate and convince her that he’s not just taking her number to be polite lol

    “And some deep thoughts from Savoy on haters and anti-game anti-PUA types:

    “It’s inevitable. It’s from the same psychological basis as the guy who approaches a girl at a club and gets blown out and then says “she’s a bitch and I didn’t want her anyway.”

    It’s COMFORTING to believe that this stuff doesn’t work if you haven’t mastered it. Why? Because then you’re not missing out. That’s a first cousin to the belief that it’s immoral. In that case, you’re missing out, but what you’re missing out on is bad and it makes you feel good to avoid it.

    I used to have some beliefs like that. I’d go to a bar, see some guy making out with a beautiful woman I wanted and leave with her, and I’d assume they must have known each other before. It wasn’t even so much that they were doing what I couldn’t…it was that I’d spent the last 2,3,4,5,6,7,etc years wasting time while other guys were doing EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO. And I couldn’t just say well he’s the son of an oil sheikh or he’s a supermodel so no wonder…we’re used to being able to accept that. No, these were guys no “better” than me, getting what I wanted. And I wasn’t.

    It’s an emotional issue for guys, so logic won’t convince everyone. That’s ok..people need to come at their own pace. It’s really HARD to admit that other guys no “better” than you have a ton to teach you about meeting women. That’s one of the reasons I like teaching so much – I like that students have the opennness and self-knowledge and desire to improve themselves that they invest their time and themselves. Some guys never make it there. And their dating happiness becomes dependent on luck, reduced expectations, or the thin veneer of rationalizations that tell them that what they want isn’t really possible anyway.”

    “and if she was his target, he could have just called her on her rude behavior…and agreed and amplified to generate attraction”

    Yup. That’s where the classic Mystery “is she ALWAYS like this? You can dress her up but you can’t take her anywhere lol” neg comes in. Again compare this to the Krauser thing where he just tries for more rapport/comfort (guess where I’m from, let me guess what you do, etc etc) when what she really wants is for him to just blow through the minor shit-test with confidence so she can feel more Attraction.

    “and then comes back to get the ‘no’ girl… with a ‘preen’ as they left (signalling to him that she was still in play if he wanted her…lol…)”

    Note also that, like Cajun described, that girl is the one that says “that’s kind of creepy” because she’s jealous and trying to sabotage it. Again these are little nuances that guys don’t learn to spot in the moment unless they GO OUT and get infield regularly.

    Also at 8:24 a big jacked tall dude opens the friendly blonde who’s left out by the group and is totally available to fuck, and then he…walks off?? Why didn’t she grab him and feel his bicep, why didn’t he just fuck her in the bathroom like Chad Thundercocks all do the second they see a girl?!?!

    “– ‘no’ girl reacts to the ‘win’ over her hot friends… just after they all leave and he feeds her hamster a pellet (8:48)…lol… AND he leaves on that emotional HIGH note…lol…”

    Yup. And again this comes from understanding Mystery Method and his group theory shit and how to play girls off eachother and use preselection/social proof and how to spike buying temps (A1 to A3) and pass shit-tests and disarm cockblocks etc etc Which again just brings me back to: I don’t think what I saw Krauser teaching really prepares guys for any of this stuff when guys are FULLY capable of handling all of this if they learn proper game and hit the field to pressure-test it in these situations. You don’t HAVE to to get laid, but you won’t develop a very versatile skillset. And learning how to do all this in these high-pressure environments makes dealing with one or two girls in daygame easy.

    “and for all practical purposes they are…lol… bc of calibration… = IF you are calibrating to the girl, it looks the same because you start with wherever the girl IS in her emotional world”

    Right. My point is that the differences aren’t in what builds Attraction or the structure. You don’t have to mix up A1-S3 just because it’s daytime, just like you don’t have to “not neg” in the daytime or “have to neg” at night. It’s ALL calibrated to each interaction. If a girl isn’t giving you hassle, you don’t have to neg her. If she hassles you, you neg her. Whether it’s daytime, nighttime, at her family dinner, on a girl’s night in Vegas, doesn’t matter, you calibrate to what’s going on.

    Now daygame will tend to have girls that act a certain way, which means you’ll tend to use more of certain things and less of other things, just like nightgame has trends too. But making it out as if it’s some different system is silly to me. It’s all the same shit. Which is why in that Krauser audio where the girl isn’t immediately receptive, that’s where you just do whatever you would do in a nightclub (but you’d have to game in clubs with girls who aren’t receptive, to know WHAT to do) and turn it around and then go back to the rapport/comfort thing when she’s giving you A2. And Cajun doesn’t neg the girls who are friendly to him, because he’s calibrating that he doesn’t NEED to, even though it’s nightgame. He doesn’t even really neg the girl who’s a bitch to him, he just wins her over by complimenting her as if her being a bitch was endearing to him lol

    Being able to game nightclub environments makes you prepared to handle good AND bad reception and handle a ton of obstacles and challenges and develop a lot of skills that, even if you don’t need 80% of them during the day, you HAVE there for that now and then in the day when you DO need to whip them out. Whereas the reverse is not true, by avoiding learning to handle all that shit, you’re limiting your skillset to basically just the friendly/receptive girls.

    An argument could be made that “why deal with bitches, who wants THAT” but that ignores that:

    1) those girls become sweet purring kittens once you crack them open

    2) if you want to not worry about other guys banging your girl, get a feisty one and pass all her shit-tests ’cause no random chode is getting through that to fuck her if it was a challenge for YOU lol

    3) most guys don’t live in an environment abundantly full of friendly/receptive/bored hot girls in all directions, like hank holiday’s current situation…if hank has to drive to another city to find girls to hit on and even if he’s just doing daygame there, but he can’t even handle a girl just not being immediately receptive to him, he’s going to waste a lot of time there VS if he learned how to turn these horrible “No” girls who just don’t immediately play along, into “Yes” girls

    4) it all comes back to having a lacking skillset…if you’re COOL with that, and the people buying your product understand that they’re not being fully equipped with a full skillset, that’s FINE…but to shit on nightgame and PUAs and RSD etc to sell your daygame product as the ultimate way of gaming and turn guys away from resources that may help them, that’s disingenuous to me and says either you don’t REALIZE your skillset is lacking because you’ve created enough rationalizations to not have to address that, or that you know and don’t care about letting your students know and don’t direct them toward other products/resources that would help fill in the gaps in their skillset.

    and 5) Lots of hot girls shit-test and travel in groups or are in mixed sets. That’s just how it goes. If you can’t pass a few easy lowball shit-tests, you’re gonna be stuck with average girls…now if you’re in a city full of hot friendly receptive tourist/ESL girls walking around all day, that’s probably okay, and nothing about learning nightgame will prevent you from getting those girls, but elsewhere you’re gonna have to learn to deal with some resistance to get the hotties and only learning the “seek friendly receptive lone targets” isn’t going to prepare you for all of that.

    “in daygame, girls don’t have their hindbrains awake and active… at least not at the same level as during night game… bc a girl’s hindbrain is ALWAYS on at some level”

    Ya that’s my point. It’s not “how to build Attraction” that’s “different”, it’s just the headspace/environment that you calibrate to, but you calibrate the exact same way at night or in any other social situation. Lots of girls out at night aren’t on the prowl, lots of girls get dragged out to venues by their friends or are just out for dinner to catch up etc, and lots of girls out in the daytime ARE on the prowl (like girls dolled up during the day walking around with nowhere to go and nothing to do that are available to go on an instadate/lay with a guy). Like, you just calibrate to whatever the situation is and Attraction works the same way regardless. Sexual innuendo, negs, teasing, DHV’ing, it all works the same in the day or night, you just calibrate what you need of those things.

    “so, i can see how some guys would think daygame is ‘different’…lol… especially if they are blurring some of the steps, and not specifically ‘waking up her hindbrain/hamster’…”

    Right. This goes back to my issue about not making an emotional impact and all this stupid ovulation shit and looks matter bla bla lol PUA teaches you to speak DIRECTLY to her hindbrain and wake that shit UP. It doesn’t MATTER if that girl was dragged to the bar by her friends and has a boyfriend at home and isn’t on the prowl and isn’t ovulating (or whatever) or she’s in a library in the day, the techniques you use PUT her into that mindset of her hindbrain looking for an alpha lay. I’m not looking for a hamburger right now, but if a dozen commercials play selling tantalizing burgers, I might start craving a fucking burger. That’s what we teach guys to do but in a very short time window with high impact.

    @redlight
    “since you guys are all Bachelorette fans (who wouldn’t be), this video is about chad, and it follows red pill predictions:”

    Would watch the fuck out of THAT show.

    @Hank
    “Maybe its the tinder. They feel they are hot chicks, but deep down they know they aren’t. Whereas actual HOT chicks KNOW they are hot, and appreciate a guy that can actually confidently approach them. They ARE hit on all the time, so they know 100% what’s up, and they know when its good and when its bad.”

    This. Sort of like over-compensation for impostor syndrome. Social media and feminism makes them feel like 10s at times, but deeeeep down they know Brad Pitt isn’t gonna be interested in them. But if they can blow Brad Pitt off, then they have more value, and since they know he was gonna blow them off anyway, it’s win/win to do it first.

    Hot girls hang out with social cool people, because those are the only people that feel entitled enough to engage with them. But even then a lot of them don’t actually have any game or anything, they just have more confidence than the average Joe (usually because they have the externals of looks/money to base their confidence on). But like I say, that stuff loses meaning when it’s all around her and she looks for the guy with the most interesting frame.

    Like Tyler says: A hot girl’s biggest fear is that you’ll turn out to be boring. An ugly girl’s biggest fear is that you’ll turn out to be COOL lol

    “chatted more about lotion, then went back to origin. “Were you there when all the trouble went down.””

    Okay time to start introducing some emotional spikes in your sets. You can keep rapport going, and get the girls interested enough to talk or laugh (minor A2) which is good, but now add some variation or parts of this magic line: “Oh man, you and I would never get along. You know why? We’re too similar. You wouldn’t take my shit and I wouldn’t take yours. We’d just fight all the time.”

    It’s a suuuuper oldschool Tyler routine, but what it does is it capitalizes on the A2 (if you use this BEFORE you have any kind of receptiveness, she won’t CARE that you two won’t get along…but when you’ve just made her laugh or smile or qualify herself to you or whatever, then she wants to know WHY you won’t get along) and escalates things with future projection as if you two were GOING to try to “get along” or “work out (in the dating sense)” etc. It pushes things forward while also pulling it away. This kind of thing is going to spike Attraction over just social interest/hookpoint.

    If I was you, I would make an effort to add this to your “you’re copying me” hair thing since it always goes over well. When she laughs just go into “You and I would never get along.” while she’s in that emotional spike from your hair bit. Watch the reaction you get when you throw something like that in VS the sort of flatline interaction that just making more rapport tends to lead to. You could tweak it to something hair related, like you and I would never get along, we look too similar with this hair, people would think we were brother & sister and our babies would look like (insert something funny/twisted).

    But even if you throw that in, I would also add the classic part of the routine: “Plus we’re too similar. I can tell. You wouldn’t take my shit and I wouldn’t take yours. We’d fight all the time.” The “you wouldn’t take my shit” is a compliment to girls (makes them feel like “ya I’m an independent womyn badass who takes no shit!”) and saying you wouldn’t take there’s is a mini-DHV. The follow-up if it hits is to throw in “But the make-up sex would be amazing.” The longer follow-up was something like “Everywhere we went we’d have to carry those foam nerf bats so we could just smack eachother with them. We’d fight and break up and then get back together and have crazy hot make-up sex, then fight again, then more make-up sex, it would be this endless cycle and I don’t know if I’m emotionally ready to handle that.” But the nerf bat thing is kind of gay now lol

    Anyway, reword it however suits your personality, but the point is that you’re taking a spark of A2 (her laughing, smiling, qualifying herself) and then fanning that spark into a flame with the push/pull, and then fanning THAT flame into a house fire by adding a sexual twist or sexual future projection onto it.

    VS going back into rapport and making small-talk which CAN lead somewhere, but the point of this exercise is to start getting used to poking the Attraction button more. ’cause girls like you and are receptive, but you’re not taking it anywhere yet and, like Sentient says, you wanna head toward instadating. When you can build more A2, you start throwing in “What are you up to right now?” and start pushing for the instadate, which, because you’re stoking A2 up, you’re more likely to get VS pushing for it off just general social rapport.

    And ya, the biggest problems with daygame are mainly on your side (more downtime looking for girls, having to keep your state up, worrying about other people’s judgement, giving yourself permission to talk/joke about sex, etc).

    You can BE very sexual in daygame, but first you have to be comfortable BEING very sexual in general, which is why we send guys to nightclubs. Because the nightclub environment gives you more permission to be sexual and you can learn to develop that whole side of yourself (which most newbies have never explored and they come off asexual chodey) and then bring it into daygame beacuse you’ve internalized a lot of habits and are running on autopilot…when the daygame girl says X you respond with Y innuendo because that’s what you’d done in the bar a dozen times before with good results and, because you expect success, it goes just as well in daygame as it did in the bar (and may even have MORE impact because it’s less expected).

    But most guys aren’t comfortable being sexual in daygame, or when they TRY to be, they subconsciously aren’t so it comes off incongruent. Russell Brand can be sexual in ANY environment, no matter how “inappropriate” it is, like a televised daytime talk show interview, because he’s 100% comfortable with sexuality. But most guys in the daytime walk around like Michael from the Office, stuffed up and inside their heads and worrying about judgement and asexual and awkward etc, so they don’t come off congruent when they try to be sexual. Krauser is experimenting more with lasers and sexual subcomms so he’s super psyched in his Daygame Overkill product about it and goes on about being R selected or whatever but he’s really just discovering that when YOU’RE comfortable being sexual, the GIRL is comfortable with you being sexual, because as we teach in the PUA community: “whatever you feel, she feels”

    That’s why I say I don’t think he’s reached his potential yet, ’cause he’s still just wading into the shallow end of the “sexual during daygame” pool. As long as he keeps going down that path, he’s going to do more and more shit that blows his own mind until he gets to where the PUA is at: the difference between daygame and nightgame is the sun is out. And along the way he’ll hopefully figure out that again just like we teach: looks don’t matter (which I hope he learns for his own sake ’cause it would be great for his internals), though directly competing with good-looking guys in nightclub environments etc would help him get there faster…it’s hard to really understand looks don’t matter when you stick to solo/cooperative gaming and don’t get those reference experiences of a hot girl picking you over better-looking guys competing for her.

    “But issue there is just don’t have much money, don’t think i can affort just the trip, let alone a hotel to stay there. Then theres heath issues that make sleeping an issue, so I don’t think it is a good idea to drive down there, go to club, then drive back.”

    When you get there, try befriending some dudes and in your small-talk with them casually drop in that you’re from another city and “this club is awesome I wish I lived here, I have to leave before last call ’cause I gotta drive back home at the end of the night ’cause hotels are too expensive” and then introduce that guy to girls (“hey, have you met Ted?” style). It doesn’t matter if he gets the girls or not, the point is making him see you as being able to give him value and there’s a good chance you’ll meet some dude that will be like “man, you can crash at my place if you want and just drive home in the morning” and you might develop a wingman/friendship where you can spend the weekend in that other city sarging without having to pay for anything.

    @scribblerg
    Labelling a girl “crazy” is a nice short-hand form of saying “I don’t understand all the reasons behind the dynamics going on here” lol or if you’re warning someone like Softek it’s a way of saying “I can’t explain all the dynamics going on here, just get the fuck out before you get her pregnant!!”

    “I can see how that was me bailing on sets that I lost frame on sometimes.”

    Exactly. But as a Natural it would be impossible to admit that you aren’t perfect or didn’t know what to do or how to handle it (with that Natural Mindset/confidence) so it was easier to just chalk it up to the girls being crazy.

    “My initial taming attempts were working on this chick, but the logistics were also weird for escalation.”

    You entered a situation where you were handicapped. And she set that up on purpose. She had guys at HER house for a party with a bunch of her orbiters etc As I’ve said in the past, NEVER go to HER invites (unless you’re 100% rock solid with her like you’ve banged her out a bunch and she’s 100% going to dote on you all night cause she’s fallen for you). They will ALWAYS pick a situation where they have more value than the guys and can test them. If it’s a bar she invites you to, it’ll be a bar where her and the bartender and bouncers flirt and she has a bunch of orbiters and cockblock girlfriends there. If it’s a get-together at her house, there’ll be orbiters there and she’ll have free reign to act as she pleases and ignore you and test you to see how you handle being scolded by chodes that aren’t fucking her etc to see which guy comes out on top.

    “I didn’t understand the social situation at all and didn’t want to blow up my friend who’d invited me, so at a certain point I was also reluctant to carry on because I didn’t feel solid about the dynamics of the people there.”
    “The beta 33yo who’d invited me over told me to back down several times and to yield to her (later in the evening, after I’d withdrawn a bit) and even though I handled it intelligently, it was like he was trying to enforce betahood. I don’t think either of them ever fucked her.”

    This stuff is part of why I don’t really care for social circle game lol

    “The intimacy escalated quickly between us, which was actually also surprising and threw me off a little bit. It was almost like inside I felt like I’d started something maybe I wasn’t prepared to finish, and didn’t know exactly where to take it.”

    But…but you’re an old man?? How is this possible?? lol It’s hard to fuck the host of a party, esp if other guys are all gunning for her, that’s basically an episode of The Bachelorette in action. Even if she wants to fuck (which it sounds like she needs a good dominant lay), the logistics are such that it’s tricky as fuck to pull it off. But for her it’s win/win: either you become an orbiter when you can’t get around the logistics to bang her and she has another guy chasing her for her parties, or you figure out how to overcome the impossible logistics like an alpha boss with sick game and she gets to fuck an alpha boss with sick game lol Win/win strategy for her hindbrain.

    “It’s also fun to be socially intelligent in general. I’m using calibration a lot in everything I do now and am getting better results in general when working with people.”

    I describe it as a feeling of omnipotence. You learn to understand all the dynamics going on around you better than the people invovled in them and can think 10 steps ahead (like Cajun purposely going up to those girls and calling them retards, already knowing how they’ll react and how he’ll turn it around).

    @SJF
    “If you met me or Julien or YaReally (I presume, he is probably a good conversationalist) IRL, in quiet time, we would be boring as fuck. I assume YaReally’s down time is really down time.”

    I am a complete sloth on my days off in my free time. I can just lay around and surf the net for hours and enjoy the quiet chill time to myself. Tyler says he’s the same, just a full mindless sloth when he gets a chance to chill. But I blame that more on being introverted than anything. My extrovert buddies can’t stop moving or seeking new interactions even in their downtime, they’ll meet up with people for lunch etc even if they were partying with a huge crowd all weekend. I need recharge time to myself if I socialize too much for too long.

    “And when he is up, he is really fucking flying creatively with PUA”

    Part of why I like PUA is hitting the field challenges me to fully engage my brain and improvise and handle random situations and navigate twists and turns. I would probably get bored of PUA if it was TOO predictable lol

    @Emily
    “Do you guys seriously watch the bachelorette???”

    lol I haven’t watched it but I’m up for watching anything that shows social dynamics in action to learn from. Season 2 of Big Brother with Will Kirby was fucking fantastic. I was glued to that shit (watching the live cam feeds and everything) and it was before I ever even heard of PUA. Will was a great example of a guy who just understands how people think and how to use that to achieve his goals. It was beautiful to watch, there were a lot of lessons to take away from his run on the show. I think he won again a few years later despite all logic saying everyone should get rid of him immediately lol

    Ya there’s scripting in reality shows, but people forget about cameras when they’re distracted/emotional and Big Brother was good ’cause you could watch livestreams VS just the edited version on the episode that’s edited to fit a plotline.

    That all said, I don’t have a TV and don’t have time to watch even if I did. But the clips guys post are funny shit and show some dynamics to learn from and I’ll watch all sorts of lame shit when I DO have downtime. Life is too short to care what anyone thinks is an appropriately alpha show for me to watch.

    @scribblerg
    “I’ve been in this kind of situation before and I simply tell people if they want me to play they have to turn the music off”

    She doesn’t REALLY care about your music at all. She just wants to see how you’ll react to her fucking with your frame and disobeying you and giving you commands etc. You could be talking about juggling or playing frisbee it doesn’t matter to her, she’s just testing the guys at her party to find the Hypergamous best one and if there isn’t one she’ll throw another party with more guys etc

    “The whole scene felt socially retarded, I’m not using the term as an epithet but rather it was like the three people there were all socially inept.”

    lol most of the Blue Pill world IS. This goes back to what I was saying about why I don’t like LTRs and having to hang around a bunch of people and situations like this. At a bar or on my own I can just walk away and go do whatever. But hanging with an LTR I have to actually sit there and watch hours of my life waste away as I watch some sad beta chode trying to Nice Guy his way into a girl who was up in my grill in the kitchen but is trying to play us against eachother and she’s a 6 and my girl is getting mad and drama is forming and I’m just sitting there like “FML I wish I was out with my buddies” lol

    “she was like, “Oh, I’m so sorry, if I knew you’d set all that up I would have not been like that.””

    lol so she’s aware of the testing etc Thing is a lot of those parties what happens is the girl will show initial attraction, then she’ll spend the ENTIRE FUCKING PARTY ignoring you and trying to make you jealous and compete and being a bitch etc etc just testing you on a million levels but she’s ACTUALLY hoping that you’ll stay till the end where suddenly she’s into you again if you handled all that shit no problem. So when she sees you packing up to leave early it’s like “oh no I pushed too far!!” It seems crazy/bipolar unless you understand what she’s doing.

    That’s why when I do have to do those types of parties, I’ll just make an impact on the girl early and then spend the rest of the party engaging everyone else and ignoring HER and basically just DHV all night, engaging other girls, cutting her off when she talks or ignoring her opinions on stuff or teasing her, befriending the guys to come off 0.00001% cooler than them, etc etc and I COMPLETELY don’t expect to get with her till the very end. I don’t even think about it, I just know from the flirting we did at the start and the lameness of the other guys there and my DHV skills and unreactiveness to other guys flirting with her etc, that at the end of the night it’s probably going to be her and I.

    That doesn’t mean I’ll always get that girl, especially if she’s the host, and occasionally ya some other super high-value (to that group) dude will show up and she goes and fucks that guy because he’s a part of their social circle and just has tons of value compared to me, I’m sort of just making do with what I can as an outsider newbie to the group…but if there’s no other cool guy there with higher-value, there’s a good chance her and I will bang if I just kill some time till the end. Even then though the orbiters are all hoping they’ll be the one so you end up in these stupid situations where it’s like 5am and everyone is hammered and she WANTS to fuck but the orbiters are trying to out-last you staying up and you STILL have to get her isolated to bang and depending on who you know at the party you can run into the guys getting aggressively protective (“isn’t it time for you to leave, bro?” or getting physical) or the girl STILL feeling too much ASD just because she knows the orbiters will judge her etc etc

    I think the whole situation is retarded, personally. I would MUCH rather go hit a nightclub with a bunch of women lol

    “Also saw interactions as an arc through the night versus rushing in.”

    I like RSD Alex’s frame of “view it like you’re all stuck in detention for a few hours. No one is going to just leave the bar right away, so you’re all “trapped” there for around 4 hours. How would you amuse yourself if you were in detention for 4 hours with the group?” Takes a lot of the outcome dependence off and you start to just self-amuse and give value more.

    “It didn’t feel like “pick up”, which I think was good.”

    There’s a reason guys like Roosh describe pickup as this dreadful grind they have to do, and why guys like myself Julien Tyler etc describe it as an exciting fun hilarious hobby. It SHOULD just feel like you’re going out to have fun, except with an underlying frame of strategy to make sure it leads somewhere and isn’t just aimlessly partying and hoping for something to “just happen”. That said, you do need to be pro-active or you’re just having “nice interactions” and chilling at a bar without actually spiking Attraction and leading things to a pull. So it’s a balance. Tyler talks about this a lot, has a video called like “Should you go out to have fun or to practice game?”

    “It’s interesting how Game has had me see where I give up on myself and what I want, even as I play at a high level. It’s like if I value myself and take myself seriously, I behave way differently in everything I do. I’m so focused on work, so it’s coming out there so clearly.”

    This stuff is why I don’t really stress my financial situation. I’m more than equipped to succeed at my career, and will, it’ll just take work, just like pickup did. No biggie, I’m used to pushing myself and I know my weaknesses and strengths from hitting the field. I know to take right action instead of making excuses to take wrong action and I know to have a strategy and overall plan. I fully expect to have more than enough money and my health on track by my late 30s now that I’m focused on them.

    “Life is fun again. Like SJF said. Which is nice, I’ve got that going for me…”

    Just remember: it’s a rollercoaster. You’ll hit some lows too, even as good as you feel now. Just accept those lows as part of the rollercoaster ride and trust that they won’t last if you keep taking right action through them and trust that you’re developing the faculties to handle setbacks and obstacles and adapt to whatever’s thrown at you.

    “But I feel like if I fuck a girl like that, she may end up on my doorstep.”

    Oh she probably will lol But that doesn’t mean her behavior at the party was some crazy unexplainable biopolar stuff. It all makes perfect sense. It just doesn’t mean that she’s not ALSO crazy on top of it, just that her behavior wasn’t really an indicator OF it.

    “The bizarre part about those women? They seem to have an over sexual strategy to turn men into Beta subs who they then won’t want to fuck.”

    That’s ALL women lol Those dominant girls are just more blatant and fast about it.

    But from their hindbrain’s perspective they need to do that ’cause they need to weed ot the pretend-alphas as fast as possible so they don’t accidentally get pregnant and have a beta baby. Shit-tests are just her way of making sure you’re still a legit alpha.

  74. “She’s not waking up Christmas morning with her dad handing her a present going “FUCK OFF DAD!! Fuck you, ugh!!” and backturning her little brother.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JvtlB_NzI8

    You may have far more infield experience with pickup than the old, married with children dudes, but you’ve obviously got fuck all with raising daughters.

    Just sayin’.

  75. @scribblerg

    The difference between feeling rejected and seeing “hard candy” (great imagery) is all about one’s mindset – not her behavior.

    this was the whole point we were trying to make in the ‘looks don’t matter’ discussion… = external frame of reference = ‘rejection’… internal frame of reference = ‘hard candy’… (i’m pretty sure you understand this, just pointing this out for the newbies/lurkers…)

    More to the point, if I see myself as the prize, then and there is no such thing as “rejection”. It’s an opportunity to demonstrate high value.

    fify…lol

    I’m still a work in progress.

    ya, it takes a while to work through the social conditioning… but you ARE making great progress. i can tell just from the change in your pov wrt FRs… so props on putting in the work…

    The “old guy” thing creeps in at times.

    social conditioning… for me, after i stopped spinning myself into inaction through self-analysis and ‘understanding’, accurate though it WAS (attention @STRONGTEK…lol)… it took me a while to internalize the idea that ‘looks don’t matter’ (lol)… and that only happened AFTER i got off my ass and took action to get enough in-field to KNOW… and you ARE getting that in-field, so it’s just a matter of time for it to stick… and just to point out, dealing with ‘crazy’ girls just conflated that understanding… bc you start to think (doubt starts to creep back in) it’s still about YOU… when it’s just that you aren’t dealing with a normal girl, with normal reactions… but THAT is just in-field too… and you just had that… so just add the experience to your database and move on…lol… (unless you really WANT to try to convert on that girl…lol… but that’s just MORE in-field, so it’s all good…lol)

    I was at a party with a whacked, hb7, 34yo, whackjob and at first was immediately rock solid frame and we were literally touching each other within 30 seconds of meeting each other.

    happens fast, right? that tells me you had great subcomms in play… and same thing will happen with college girls when you finally work through the ‘i’m too old’ social conditioning…lol… and the internal frame you will end up at is ‘you’re too young for me… i really don’t care that you just posed for victoria secrets new catalog, show me WHY i should let you into my life…even for just a bj in the bathroom over there’… not kidding…lol…

    Another element in that scene was the presence of two beta orbiters who hung around her a lot, and it was at her house (mom’s house, who had MS, weird scene, lots of weird scenes back in the woods of New Hampshire) so she was just running amok. She was used to being a hyper, alpha bitch and my presence was a bit of a shock. The beta 33yo who’d invited me over told me to back down several times and to yield to her (later in the evening, after I’d withdrawn a bit) and even though I handled it intelligently, it was like he was trying to enforce betahood.

    that’s exactly what that was…lol… bc HE had more relational equity built up with her…lol… so, when she finally did/does decide to f*k somebody (since she’s a ‘good girl’…lol) it would be him not you…lol…

    Kind of curious to hear from the PUAs, what are your views on girls who act a bit crazy and all over the place?

    depends on the actual context, of course, but mostly i usually just see this as a girl that’s infused with excitement, which is overwhelming her…lol…and it was probably you (new guy, solid alpha subcomms, etc)…lol… but, regardless of the actual reason, shifting that positive emotional state to you as the cause is a great game play…lol…

    My initial taming attempts were working on this chick, but the logistics were also weird for escalation. I didn’t understand the social situation at all and didn’t want to blow up my friend who’d invited me, so at a certain point I was also reluctant to carry on because I didn’t feel solid about the dynamics of the people there.

    that’s a solid socially congruent read on the situ…

    But it was still fun. It’s also fun to be socially intelligent in general. I’m using calibration a lot in everything I do now and am getting better results in general when working with people.

    ya, game is the BEST!…lol

    Okay, out to a bar to see a band tonight and run a bit of bar game. All you single guys, get out there tonight!!

    +1…lol…and

    good luck!
    ———————
    @hank

    props on getting out the door… those ‘down’ sessions happen… just have to keep at it… just like fishing…lol… how does the phrase go?… oh, yeah…

    the worst day sarging is better than the best day working…

    lol… and when you focus on YOU taking action to better yourself as the goal/reward, it doesn’t really matter if you meet any girls you like (at least not as much…lol) bc you STILL get success… = it’s just another data point on your journey… AND you NEED to go through those types of sessions to actually work through ‘those types of sessions’…lol… i know that sounds kind of retarded, but those sessions ALWAYS happen IF you keep going out… it’s just the law of averages…so, at some point you need to work through… it might as well be sooner that later…lol… and the issue that you are actually working through has nothing to do with girls…

    Stopped by one last store. Saw 6/7 girl working there. Got busy, so wrote it off. But then she went back alone again. But I just was thrown off. Didn’t talk to her. Was very disappointing in this since she seemed very depressed and needed someone to cheer her up.

    That was the main thing I though about as I Ieft, that I wish I talked to that girl just to cheer her up some, since it didn’t look like anyone else would or even noticed.

    just to point this out… you can always turn around…lol…

    if you get into talking to a girl ‘to try to cheer her up’… don’t get sucked into her drama/frame, bc you’ll just end up an orbiter… but these situs are great for practicing frame control…lol…

    Bookstore at day 2. Chatted with girl. ESL. I think french maybe. Hard to understand. Asked her about board games, what did she recommend. Said she didn’t know. Asked her what she had in her hand

    “Eeet izz a RoBoot.”

    “So what does it do?”

    “Uuuh. Eeet izz a RoBoot.”

    “Lol, so you just want it because it looks cool.”

    She kind of curl into herself a bit, looks down, then back up at me.

    “yes”

    IOI, buut not sure what to do.

    qualify her… and THAT’s the reason you start to get interested in her…lol…

    you: that’s great!… i don’t usually meet girls that have such good taste… [turn a little more towards her bc she just EARNED some of your attention…] let me guess… [go into cold read…]

    aaaand your in set…lol…

    Told her I had a friend that did the same thing. Wished her well . . . but ended prematurely. She started to talk more about serbia. Good social hook tell. Hmm. But just left. Should have been like “no, go ahead, you were saying?” and also, again, need to watch about prematurely ejecting through what I say and bodylanguage.

    did you feel the social incongruence when you ‘just left’?… it not necessarily ‘bad’ to ‘just leave’… but you usually do it when the girl has done/said something that you disapprove of (deal breaker = “i’ve got 6 kids from 4 baby daddies…”…lol) which i take is not the case here…

    couple questions – 1) was she really a milf (were you attracted to her)?… bc ‘losing it’ to an older girl is not the worst thing you could do…lol…so, you could go back… she’ll be working there again…lol…

    and 2) at the time, did you even think about social circle game?… bc that milf might not be the mom of ‘roboot girl’ but if you thought she MIGHT be, then chances are good that if the milf did have a girl, she would look the same…lol…

    Saw another blonde 6. A little more my type. Asked her about sales, that I was getting a head start on Christmas. She said there were bikinis on sale, but they might be out of season. And I teasingly said something about yeah, unless they went to a hot tub or some shit.

    buut she was talking super quite. library voice. she also didn’t pick up on my teasing. dunno if I would say she was weird exactly, but not really one to game.

    i love those soft quiet types…lol… those situs are a GREAT opportunity… you can move inside her comfort zone bc you are trying to hear her better…lol… but THEN you can also lower your voice quieter…bc that’s socially congruent (you don’t shout in someone’s face…lol)… and add some solid eye contact and a little smirk and… boom! instant ‘bubble’…lol…

    And, once have plates and have more hobbies and shit, I would enter these area with a better mindset.

    you can get that mindset without all that external stuff…and it’s probably easier if you DON’T have success in those areas…and that’s true even though ‘plates’ are a pua/RP goal…lol… thinking you will change when you get all that stuff is just the FI/social conditioning pushing on you…

    For me doing all this stuff for the first time — have only gotten numbers about 3 times in my life maybe, haven’t really ever been on a date, never kissed a girl — the stuff I am doing is now extremely sub-optimal and inefficient.

    i think you are doing great… props on putting in the effort to get better… it gets easier the more you do it…

    good luck!

  76. @kfg
    “You may have far more infield experience with pickup than the old, married with children dudes, but you’ve obviously got fuck all with raising daughters.”

    Even this girl will be sweet for someone she views as having high-value. She clearly doesn’t view her dad as having high value. I didn’t realize I would have to spell this out.

  77. @having a bad day

    Just curious. Based on your most recent scribblerg-solicited-“Need-help-from-PUAs” response-advice a few posts upthread, and your unsolicited pickup advice/commentaries analyzing every TRM FR, you are a PUA, yes?

  78. @yareally

    Firstly, those clips of that youtube girl from a week ago were terrifying. Like watching a horror movie where a character gets infected by a horrible disease or turns into a zombie. From decent looking to “DEAR GOD WHAT IS THAT THING.” lol

    Okay, so not turned off at all by being rejected. It was more of that it was a 4 or belowe that was dong it, and just the nasty tone of it all. Even more shocking since I almost never have negative reactions from anyone. So, I just don’t really care, lol. Why am I gonna work to get a completely unattractive woman with that attitude.

    I still stick around if she’s okay. 5 white at video store was like that

    “oh, I’m not the expert on that. guy up front is.” said in a quick “okay, goodbye” tone.

    but I just said

    “Okay. So what are you the expert in.”

    and go in a convo that quickly produced IOIs.

    With emotional spikes, got those. But have issue — to HABD point of not needing plates and hobbies and such — I DO need those (or at least they would help ALOT) since I have to get myself out of boring logical headspace and into state.

    Now, thing is, I am more of a person that goes big with sexual or very emotional topics. I just don’t have reference experience doing it so I have to get warmed up to doing it.

    So the sort of things I have been wanting to do is – – say with a vendor

    “You get hit on any old dudes today? Ah, me too. Its cuz of my big booty. All the guys are like ‘I’m straight and all, but I would totally tap that guys ass. Totes tap that ass. No homo. No homo. But I would do that dude.'”

    and if customer comes up

    “Oh, go ahead man. We’re just talking about getting hit on by old dudes and how my ass brings all the boys to the yard.”

    And in victoria secret to things like

    “Need suggestion on perfume.”

    “Is this for your girlfriend, wife?”

    “No. Its for me. Obviously. Can’t you tell I am a flaming homosexual?”

    and if see girl around laughing just pull her in with

    “See, that girl gets it. She’s thinking ‘That guy totally sucks dick. Takes it whooosshh right up the pooper.’ Your gaydar is on point. (turn to worker) But you, you need to fix yours. Its broke as shit.”

    Then can shake hands and get her name, pull her into set with me and worker.

    Then chat about needing a suggestion on bras for when I go out in drag.

    Or ask if the thongs here were very comfortable.

    “Cuz see, when I am out twirking my booty in the gay bars, my man thong looks good and all, but it tends to chaff after a while. So I am thinking, why not just wear a victoria secret thong if it is more comfortable.”

    or, alternatively, talk about same shit with me being a male stripper.

    THAT’s the stuff I like to do, and where my mind naturally wanders too. Its juts hard to pull that out in a daygame venue. Much easier to pratice that shit in a nightclub, get used to doing it, then tone it down a bit to use in daygame.

    I am getting thrown off since its a big leap to start dong that and daygame is rarely optinmal, plus not many girls to work on. It takes forever for the starts to align to have the right state, the right girl, the right venue, and no obsticles to push it to those areas for the first time. THEN I will be comfortable enough I can do it more often, in less ideal situs.

    I just have YEARS of not socializing at ALL, and a lot of negative internals that make me think I CAN’T or SHOULDN’T do that, even though I know I can. I just have to get more reference experiences of doinf it to get comfortable.

    Def doing your suggestion for the ‘you’re copying me’. Will work with we’re too similar, people will think we are brother and sister – – because I only use the hair thing on blakc girls lol. So she’d be like “lol, your white.” and I can do my bid about how I am a black guy, I just have a skin condition is all. There is a LOT of stuff I can do with that, and while I haven’t used it as much as hair bit, it has gone over well with black girls when I DID use it.

    Yes I know blax to be careful about stuff like that, but I’m not using it until I have gotten a lot of good reception (good response to copying me bit, good response to we’d never get along, good response to people would think we were brother and sister, THEN do I’m actually a black dude bit.)

    So that seems like a good bit

    You’re copying me – – Oh we’d never get along – – Well, because people would think we are brother and sister – – What? I’m obviously a black dude – – I just have a skin condition is all

    @habd

    Uuuh, could have turned around, but issue is once I write off a set my mind gets locked out and it is hard to rengage. That’s why I didn’t talk to sad girl right then when she isolated her self. It just feels weird or I am a stalker or a creep to go back. Very self conscious of coming across as that.

    Okay, good advice on french girl. Qualification before cols read. Use qualifications to lead into cold reads.

    And I LOVE to just leave. Whenever they say something I don’t like I just walk off for a sec

    Asian 5 who didn’t know who david bowie was, black 5 who hadn’t heard of breaking bad, etc. Always very effective. Lol, after asian 5 told me the bands she liked she paused, then said “You’re going to walk off again now right?”

    Serbian was really a milf, but she doesn’t work there. Just a customer.

    Not even in mindset of social circle game. Was just focused on practiceing sexualizing and opening in new types of venues.

    Ehh, just got bad vibes from quite blonde girl. Not really my type either.

  79. @emily c

    “My bf barely watches any TV regularly other than Game of Thrones (Ughhh)”

    The last nights I’ve been catching up before tonight’s season finale where all the actors who would be too expensive for HBO in season 7 are killed by sharks flying out of tornados (sorry, spoiler alert).

    It turns out that by accident there is a lot of nudity. Does your bf properly avert his virgin eyes or do you have to cover his eyes? There is a scene involving full nudity of a very old woman, which may make your bf not want to sign a long term contract and/or make him more gay (sorry, spoiler alert).

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