Fempowerment

fempowerment

I’m often asked by ‘fempowered’ women critics whether I ‘believe‘ in some of the more socially acceptable tenets of feminism in some sort defense to the affront of my Red Pill lens being cast their way. It’s usually something to do with, “Do you or do you not think women ought to have the right to vote?” or the ever-reliable “Shouldn’t women have the right to do with their bodies what they choose?” These questions are always binary (“yes or no will do”) and usually couched in a context that implies that if you even slightly disagree or have a marginal caveat to answering ‘appropriately’ you’ll be dismissed with a name tag that has “misogynist” printed on it. Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man.

Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man. Up until recently, it’s been a very effective means of silencing uncomfortable truths about the Feminine Imperative.

I’ve always found it ironic that a movement (feminism) that predicates itself on the ostensibly egalitarian notion that rational, reasonable considerations of issues should lead us to ideals of equality is the first to reduce itself to unquestioned, blind faith binaries at the first sign of rational reasonable truth being unflattering to women. If you want to know who holds power over you, look at whom you aren’t allowed to criticise – or even hint at criticism.

My position on these and many other questions of the sort is usually met with simple observational analysis (as you’d probably expect). I don’t necessarily have a problem with women voting or even having access to legal (relatively safe) abortions. What I have a problem with is the latent purpose behind the reasons that led to women’s decisions to vote a particular way or the latent purposes that brought them to having that abortion. For the greater part, any dubious ‘right’ women feel they were somehow denied in the past usually comes at the expense of men being liable for decisions they had nothing to do with.

What I have a problem with is an expectation of lowering the standards of the game, thus fundamentally altering the game, to better accommodate the variable strengths and weaknesses of women – up to, and including, changing the very nature of women’s environmental realities that would endanger the wellbeing of both sexes. What I take issue with is the expectation of making men liable for the decisions and consequences of the rights and freedom of choices we’ve reserved for only women to make (almost unilaterally Hypergamic choices) that are not in men’s best interests.

I mentioned in Our Sister’s Keeper that men today find themselves in a very precarious position with regard to entertaining women’s perceived wrongs of the past. Men are expected,by default, to be held accountable, for no other reason than they were born men, for past injuries to the ever-changing Feminine Imperative. Your existence as a man today, your failed understanding to accommodate women’s social primacy, your lack of catering to the ambiguous nature of what conveniently passes for masculinity, is a constant stinking affront and obstacle to the “advancement” of women. The Feminine Imperative has known how to manipulate men’s Burden of Performance for millennia, and at not other time in history has it had the unfettered leisure to do so than now.

So, we get socially acceptable default presumptions of ‘male privilege’ without qualifying what it even means, or we get catchy jingoisms like ‘mansplaining’ to give a name to women’s need for silencing men’s inconvenient observations of women’s ‘correct’ perceptions, decisions and the reasons they came to them. We get default presumptions of male guilt for sexual assault and sexual consent as fluidly defined in as convenient a way that serves women’s imperatives. As I’ve mentioned before, the true intent of feminism has never been about establishing a mutually agreed ‘equality’, rather it’s always been about retribution and restitution for perceived past wrongs to the sisterhood.

There has always been a subtext, a cover story, of equality mentioned in the same breath as feminism. Only the most antagonistic asshole, only the most anti-social prick, would be against “equality between the sexes”. Thus, to be against feminism is to be against a simplistic concept of baseline equality. However, taken out of the propagandizing efforts to shame and ‘correct’ men’s imperatives, it’s easy to demonstrate that the true intent of feminism is female ‘fempowerment’ in the dressing of an equality that no man (or woman) wants to appear to be against.

Yellowed Pearls

I found an interesting example of this  Catch 22 in the Economist recently. Pick and choose: Why women’s rights in China are regressing.

In 2007 China’s official Xinhua news agency published a commentary about women who were still unmarried at the age of 27 under the title, “Eight Simple Moves to Escape the Leftover Woman Trap”. The Communist Party had concluded that young Chinese women were becoming too picky and were over-focused on attaining the “three highs”: high education, professional status and income. Newspapers have since reprinted similar editorials. In 2011 one said: “The tragedy is they don’t realise that as women age they are worth less and less, so by the time they get their MA or PhD, they are already old, like yellowed pearls.”

In the last Red Pill Monthly discussion, I mentioned the expansion that the Feminine Imperative has taken on a global scale. One of the old missives of the manosphere has always been about how American women are too far gone to be worth ever entertaining beyond a pump-and-dump consideration. They are too damaged and self-absorbed beyond all redemption, and men ought to expatriate to another country where women are more feminine or at least necessitous enough to appreciate a conventionally masculine man.

I get that. I understand the want for a Poosy Paradise or some promised land where women are still raised to respect and love men by being conventionally feminine. I also get that there exist certain cultures where this is still true, but for all of that, I think it’s important to recognize the social undercurrent that the Feminine Imperative exercises in these cultures. A popular meme on Twitter is ‘Feminism is Cancer’, but there’s a kernel of truth to the humor of this. The spread of the westernizing social primacy of the Feminine Imperative is spreading, not unlike cancer, into what we would otherwise believe were societies and cultures still oppressed by the mythical Patriarchy – a belief necessary to perpetuate the narrative of default female victimhood.

It may not be now, but at some stage, the Feminine Imperative will exercise its presumptive control over even the societies we think ought to be immune from that cancer. As I mention on The Red Pill Monthly, even in underdeveloped countries where we would expect to find the horrible oppression of girls and women, we make a triumphant example of the incidents of where girls (not boys) are taught to read and “think for themselves”. Westernized culture, founded on the Feminine Imperative, celebrates every time a woman in Saudi Arabia is allowed to drive a car, much less run a business on her own as if it were some blow against the tyranny of men.

Little by little, or in leaps and bounds, your second or third world Poosy Paradise will eventually be assimilated by the Feminine Imperative.

I bring this up because, as you’ll read in the linked article, China is also experiencing the long-term results of having adopted feminine social primacy in its own culture. From women’s popular consciousness, we’re still, to this day, told of how horrible “communist” China has been in mandating its one-child policy and how its draconian ‘sons live, daughters die’ social structure has been the result. However, once we reasonably investigate it, we find that China now has a problem with “Yellowed Pearls” as a result of a cultural shift that placed women’s interests as preeminent in that culture. And it should be noted that this shift came about as the direct result of the men who adopted and accommodated the Feminine Imperative as their own.

Now the problem for women in China is not unlike the plight of American women bemoaning the lack of men with “equal” marriageability as themselves. And likewise, the self-same social authorities responsible for institutionalizing the fempowerment of women are now the horrible misogynist villains for suggesting that women ought to lower their unrealistic standards.

The tone of these articles is surprising, given the Communist Party’s past support for women’s advancement. Mao Zedong destroyed China, but he succeeded in raising the status of women. Almost the first legislation enacted by the Communist Party in 1950 was the Marriage Law under which women were given many new rights, including the right to divorce and the right to own property.

Sounds a far cry different from the pictures women, even women in this century, have painted of China’s institutionalized, one-child sexism doesn’t it? Remember, this advancement in women’s rights took place before the Cultural Revolution in China.

Though collectivisation made the latter largely irrelevant, women played an active role in Mao’s China, and still do today. By 2010 26% of urban women had university degrees, double the proportion ten years earlier. Women now regularly outperform men at Chinese universities, which has led to gender-based quotas favouring men in some entrance exams. However, many of the earlier advances have been eroded in recent years by the gradual re-emergence of traditional patriarchal attitudes.

Consider this part in contrast to other industrialized nations and how women have increased their socio-political standing as the result of having the Feminine Imperative adopted as the primary social order of those cultures. Even in cultures that are still popularly deemed “repressive” to women we see educational and socioeconomic parallels to western(ized) cultures. We also see the same resulting consequences and the shifting of blame for them to men. The downside of Yellowed Pearls is placed at the feet of men for not living up to the convenient, feminine-primary definition of what their Burden of Performance ought to mean in promoting and forgiving women’s decisions.

The party has joined an alliance of property companies and dating websites to confront the issue. Government surveys on marriage and property are often sponsored by matchmaking agencies, and perpetuate the perception that being “leftover” is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. They also promote other myths, such as the idea that a man must have a house before he can marry.

As you may expect, the tone of the article is written to emphasize an egalitarian perspective that conflicts with a reality that the Feminine Imperative would have men change or be responsible for not having changed. It’s men’s fault that women might feel bad for not having married by a post-wall age. It’s men’s fault for promoting myths that women would expect that a man must be successfully established in his life and career before any considerations of marriage occur to him. It’s also a man’s fault for clinging to the “myth” that women don’t want him to be established.

The law is reflecting the shift away from women’s empowerment too. An interpretation by the Supreme Court in 2011 of the 1950 Marriage Law stated that, when a couple divorces, property should not be shared equally, but each side should keep what is in his or her own name. This ruling, says Ms Fincher, has serious implications. In the big cities a third of marriages now end in divorce but, based on hundreds of interviews, she finds that only about 30% of married women have their name on the deeds of the marital flat. Women believe the party hype about becoming a “leftover” woman so strongly, she says, that many rush into unhappy marriages with unsuitable men, made on condition that the brides agree not to put their name on the property deeds.

Feminism Would be a Success if Men Would Only Cooperate More

Several years ago Dalrock had a post detailing the sentiment of feminists that feminism would be a success if only men would cooperate with the ideology by abandoning their own interests and sublimating their own biological impulses. The fact remains that feminism and egalitarianism are failed ideologies because at the root level those ideologies ask men to participate in their own extinction. Not only this, but they ask men to raise successive generations to accommodate and participate in their own degradation.

The narrative expects Yellowed Pearls to be prized by men, or respected as Spinsters, or pandered to as ‘Cougars’ while still maintaining men sublimate their own imperatives by willfully ignoring the fact that their own sexual strategy is what is being asked of them to abandon. As I stated in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies, for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other must either be compromised or abandoned – what better way is there to assure this for women than to socially mandate through shame, persecution or financial liabilities that men abandon their own strategy in favor of women?

For some time now, I’ve detailed how for the past 4 or 5 generations, there has been a popular social re-engineering effort to raise and condition boys to become the ‘better betas‘ – boys designed to become the supportive male-reinforcers of empowering women’s interests and imperatives.

For a greater part this effort has been primarily focused on boys and men in western society, and while it’s still open for debate, I’d say that westernizing cultures are really the only cultural environments that can afford to entertain this ‘fempowerment’. This is changing radically now if it was ever really the case to begin with.

In the manosphere we like to highlight the ‘pussification’ of modern men through various efforts on the part of a nebulous ‘socitey’ aligned against masculinity. However, the flip side to this is the fempowerment agenda; an feminine-primary social structure that disallows any criticism of inherently female nature while promoting the empowerment of women on every level of social strata.

We coddle and cater to the feminine in every aspect of social interaction, every aspect of academic achievement, every socioeconomic advantage inventable, every story we tell in every form of media and we do so under the threat of not being supportive or misogynistic for suggesting anything marginally pro-masculine. This is the other side of the demasculinization imperative of boys & men – the total consolidation of handicaping men and empowering women into unrealistic effigies of feminine triumphalism.

How do you counter this?

I’m always lauded for describing these social dynamics, but I’m run up the flagpole for not offering concrete ways of dealing with and pushing back on these imperatives. Many a MGTOW will simply suggest men no longer play the Game, that isolationism is the way to go, but this only serves to eventually concede power to the Feminine Imperative. You don’t get to check out of the Game even if you refuse to play it. For all the guys who left for parts unknown to find their demi-utopia of feminine women in a foreign country, even they will explain that the tide of feminism is changing those seemingly idlyic places. And for every guy to voluntarilly go celebate and “refuse to deal with women” I’ll show you a man whose tax dollars go to fund the consequences of women’s legislated rights to Hypergamous choice.

Sooner or later Men will have to confront and push back against both men and women who are convinced of their purpose in idealizing the dictates of the Feminine Imperative. A lot of men in the ‘sphere believe their being clever when they refer to people with this worldview as ‘SJWs’, but for every hair dyed, gender-confused man-woman you see on Twitter there are hundreds of ‘normal’ people who all share similar perspectives – some simply subconscious generalization they’re oblivious to – sitting next to you at church, or working in the cubicle next to you.

As I’ve mentioned countless times, the change needs to take place by appealing to the hearts and minds of Men by making them Red Pill aware from the bottom up, but moreover, we need to live out that awareness in our own lives and lead by Red Pill example. Our decisions in life, our aspiration in parenting, family and career, in our business dealings, in the women we Game and the people we hire, all of these aspects need to take on the perspective of how they fit into pushing back against a feminine-primary world that demands we surrender any thought of individuated male power.

As Men, we need to unapologetically exercise what little power we’re left with to inform this and successive generation of Red Pill truths tactfully, but with strength of conviction in the face of a feminine-primary society bent on our surrender. Life finds a way. Feminism and the consolidation of the Feminine Imperative have failed because Men were not evolved to acquiesce their dominant spirit. On the same evolutionary level women also evolved into requiring that convnetionally masculine dominance. This is why feminism and egalitarianism will ultimately fail – nature simply will not cooperate with it’s own stagnation. As men, we can use this truth to our Red Pill aware advantage.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

906 comments on “Fempowerment

  1. Blax

    “I don’t have a dog in the Trump fight, except to point out that he’s not all that smart”

    How do you arrive at this conclusion?

    “send kids to college if they desired without getting tangled up in decades of debt.”

    The Equalist narrative is tied to debt… college for everyone, who can borrow money… erase the government guaranties and colleges and college degrees would be worth something again… and 25% of the population would have them. But “muh equalz” demand it…

    Same with housing… everyone needs one… if they can borrow for it…

    “Track the acquisition of debt over the past 50-60 years.
    Interest is your friend, right? Banks gotta earn too. Lol.”

    all by design… who says slavery has been abolished? Now they got folks stepping up to the auction blocks there own selves… just sign here… take it… take the pen and sign here… you will be equal…

  2. @ AR

    You know, ASD, it might just be that what scray means by the words “pulled from the dance floor” isn’t the same thing that you mean.

    To put it another way, I bet his subcomms aren’t the same as yours, because his intent is not the same as yours.

    My subcomms with girls who aren’t fugly are always playful and sexy, no matter my intent. The subcomms deriving from Intent to flirt isn’t all that much different from the subcomms deriving from intent to bang. I’m not convinced that girls can even tell if there’s intent to bang sometimes or maybe they’re trying to jump start it by flirting.

    I’m still waiting to hear from other men that women that they just met in a bar grab their butts/spank/get in their grid etc. just by seeing them chatting with other women. I think that there is something fundamentally different about lead/follow dancing.

  3. “I’m still waiting to hear from other men that women that they just met in a bar grab their butts/spank/get in their grid etc. just by seeing them . . .”

    I stopped going to bars when they banned smoking in them, so I have to make do with women grabbing my ass just out and about in public on my own.

  4. @Sentient @Culum Struan @Forge the Sky

    That “be the change” FR is a rock solid story. That’s the shit I’m talking about…solid setup to a huge emotional spike. Imagine you got a bunch of shit like THAT stockpiled Forge, you could have kept those girls going for an hour and another beer and then the sister says “I have to get up early I’ll meet you at home” and you joke “oh no don’t leave her with ME, why do you hate me?? lol” and tease her about “man your own SISTER bailed on you, she must know something I don’t know” etc etc and now you’re taking her home.

    Also it’s a lot easier to just STAY with them (VS asking permission) when you feel like you KNOW you’re giving value (aka you have a bunch of stories/routines that you KNOW will make them lol and spike attraction and make their night better in general, so why WOULDN’T they want you to stay??? VS when you can’t think of anything to say and they aren’t hooked yet so they aren’t contributing to holding up the whole conversation or asking you to stay and then you feel like you’re imposing because you’re not really bringing any value to the table in your mind).

    Part of why Tyler and Mystery were so cocky was that they KNEW the shit they were bringing to the table was lightyears beyond what other guys brought, because they had their routines/structure to rely on.

    Every Natural you ever meet will tell you his same 3 DHV stories over and over as if it’s the first time you’ve ever heard them and every time a girl says X to him he will say his go-to Y that you’ve heard him say to a dozen other girls. Routines are fine, just PERSONALIZE them. Like Mystery said way back in MM, learn the STRUCTURE and WHY his routines work but build your own off that structure. I can link more resources if you need them but the one I linked about building DHV stories is pretty rock solid. Now you just gotta sit down and do your homework lol

    @theasdgamer
    “The fantasy can get up a lot higher than 2/10 for lead/follow.”

    That’s why I said VISUALLY. ’cause I knew you were going to respond with this lol I KNOW you can build sexual tension with dancing dude, you aren’t the first guy to discover dancing. But to people WATCHING, the lead/follow cowboy shit LOOKS from AFAR like a 2/10 at the most, that’s why guys let you dance with their girls and shit. If you were dancing the lambada or some shit it would LOOK more like 6/10 sexual.

    My point is that you aren’t triggering anything visually that guys should be concerned about, that’s why they aren’t.

    “Dance instructors get laid a lot.”

    Dance instructors who make moves get laid a lot. I’ve met plenty of guys who dance their asses off and still don’t get pussy because they don’t know how to pull the trigger on the girls that are dying to dance with them.

    “Do random girls often mess with your butt or get up in your grid in bars? Strangers you just met? This is a serious question, not rhetorical.”

    Ya man this happens to most of us dude. Without dancing lol Especially in nightclubs. It’s great that you’ve found a system that works for you but it’s not magic and it’s not an area that’s necessary to develop unless a guy really LIKES dancing. Personally I don’t like sweating everywhere when I’m out lol

    Also like Scray says you’re not fucking these girls, just getting good feels from them, and a lot of them are old chicks and it sounds like it’s usually at venues that you’re a regular at lol Run your dance game in modern young non-country venues you’ve never been to with 21yo’s and stick your dick in their vaginas and then you and Scray can talk.

    @having a bad day
    “you: you should have a drink
    her: i just turn into a slut
    you: that’s a bad thing?
    her: [laugh]

    tells me that your whole interaction was BB (with you chasing = she is the prize)”

    Thing is, this isn’t necessarily his fault with a girl that age who’s got enough baggage that’s she’s NOTICABLY weird/cold. That’s why I hate when guys go after these chicks and try to judge their game based on them lol This isn’t a HEALTHY sane cool sexual late 40s chick. This is a damage case who’s sexuality is who knows where from thousand yard stare baggage. You’re not necessarily a bad driver for crashing a beat up old car that’s been dug out of the junkyard, that car has damage lol Go drive some fresh young lambos to get a better idea of your driving skill.

    @Softek
    Again a thing tons of guys deal with. Most of the dudes who end up in PUA start out with super unhealthy guilt/shame/views around sex. Lot of religious households (especially the minority dudes) or super Blue Pill feminist brainwashed upbringings etc. That knowledge isn’t going to fix it, but I’m saying it so you know that this is another thing that IS 100% fixable, so you’ll be able to get through it.

    I recommend spending a shitload of time at strip clubs (don’t bring your ATM cards with you, just a $20 max, you’re there to sip a drink and absorb the sexual nature of the venue and be around girls who are comfortable with sex and sexuality and their bodies etc, not to get dances altho that can’t hurt if you’re super fucked up lol).

    Also throw porn on 24/7 at home. Just leave it running in the background all the time so sex and nudity and sexuality etc become normalized to you. Watch shows like Californication, Entourage, the entire series of The Girls Next Door, etc

    PRO-ACTIVELY REPROGRAM YOUR BRAIN. Your brain thinks all this shit because it’s been programmed by other people your whole life. So just do the same thing but reprogram it with BETTER data, data that tells it sex is OKAY and AWESOME and NORMAL.

    That’s why your girl’s porn-shaming is the first thing I jumped on way back when I first replied to your situation. Because that’s going to actively cripple everything for you…how are you supposed to feel okay hitting on another girl when even LOOKING at IMAGES of GIRLS WHO AREN’T EVEN REAL OR IN FRONT OF YOU, is “wrong” and gets you in trouble??

    If she cripples your sexuality then she’s knocking down the pillar of all the rest of that stuff. She doesn’t have to worry about you getting other girls or cheating or thinking you can do better than her when you hate yourself for having sexual thoughts and she’s your only outlet for release. It’s nice and efficient for her to shame you about sex especially since you have all this built in framework for it that she can manipulate you off.

    She wants you to stay exactly how you are because if you realized you could do better, you would walk and she knows that because she’s approaching the wall and needs a baby.

    “but her constant espousing of monogamy, and declaration of how she wants a ‘simple life’ etc., and can’t stand women whoring themselves out or acting like whores in public”

    This is the girl who was cheating with you while she had a boyfriend right? And has dudes who want to fuck her over to her place and places the blame on you when that’s upsetting right? And then simultaneously shames you for looking at other girls or porn right?

    Ya, sounds like she really cares about monogamy, the simple life, and not acting like a whore.

    @scray
    “my main point was back at the beginning: ‘if you like to dance, have fun, but the dance floor is just….you’re making it harder on yourself.’”

    Ya I agree. For the most part you’re starting over once you get off the dance floor, so why not just approach off the dance floor. But some guys are comfortable with the dancing shit and can get girls up on them with it, but just need to know how to deal with that state crash. Those are guys who LIKE dancing though lol so it becomes like anything else where as long as you LIKE doing it, they’ll be drawn to you.

    @IAS
    I think she fucked her dog. lol

    Or she’s one of the girls who thinks she’s super edgy and likes to throw deadpan weird shit out to fuck with people and they don’t know what to do when she does so it reaffirms to her how special and edgy she is. Personally, I eat those girls for breakfast lol but for most guys they’re tricky to handle and not even attractive to them (like it’s an off-putting vibe they don’t really want to interact with).

    Don’t read into it. The way to handle those girls is to play her game back at her (inappropriate deadpan humor) but do it BETTER than her and that’s like a whole skillset in itself that isn’t worth worrying about if that isn’t your type of personality/humor that you want to be around.

    “@Scray: the headspace is that I’m practicing game for two reasons a) in case I divorce I won’t be completely inexperienced b) in case I don’t divorce, it pays off to be better at game so that I can game my wife better.”

    These are good reasons. Even if I settled down into a solid mono LTR marriage whatever, I would make sure I’m still out with my buddies flirting with cute waitresses or strippers bare minimum somewhere. Like Patrice O’Neal says “she’s a fish that jumps back into your boat and then tells you you don’t need that boat and fishing rod anymore you got me get rid of them, and when you DO she goes you’re not the man I fell in love with you don’t even have a boat or fishing rod!!” lol

    @Andy @scribblerg
    I’m not following your guy’s convo but this:

    ““Or are you one of those leftie conspiracy thinkers who believe that advertising makes people spend their money on crap?”

    Oh only leftie conspiracy theorists think advertising makes people spend money on crap? This is a fucking reality. lol.”

    …made me lol I didn’t read the context of this quote at ALL so feel free to ignore me, but who the fuck would deny advertising influencing people to spend their money on useless shit??

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1l6nt4/what_is_the_worst_impulse_purchase_you_have_ever/

    @Forge
    “Thanks. I’m still a bit high on being able to open sets without shitting myself, and not being all that nervous once the convo gets going.”

    Ya man, that’s why I’m stressing like, you did good, you did some boss shit even going out solo let alone opening them. But we all know you can do better 😉

    “Yay I can open sets! Then…uh, what now? lol. Like a dog that catches the car.”

    lol this is basically the process of learning pickup.

    “I suppose I’ve been resisting the ‘training wheels’ of having routines even though WHY WOULD I NOT NEED TRAINING WHEELS. No shame to it, who cares if you look funny at first.”

    lol that’s exactly it. We accept that to learn to ride a bike you use training wheels and to learn to play football you train and run plays in practice and to learn to play the piano to rehearse before your recital etc etc etc

    You think the fucking PRESIDENT just goes up and WINGS his speeches?? If someone is scared to give a speech everyone will encourage him to go to toastmasters…I want to learn to give speeches in front of people, I guess it makes sense to go to a thing where I’m forced to practice giving speeches in front of people!

    But when it comes to GIRLS, it’s like “hey there’s two HOT BITCHES I WANT TO FUCK, I’m going to just SIT DOWN WITH THEM, out of NOWHERE, for like the 3rd time in my LIFE, and spit out fucking GOLD that makes these COMPLETE STRANGERS both want to SUCK MY DICK IN THE BATHROOM”

    lol like oh ya, lemme know how THAT goes!

    This all comes back to the FI though. You’re a broken hammer if you don’t just “know” this stuff, some guys have it some don’t after all! If you weren’t born knowing how to bang that birthday girl, sorry, accept your slot in life as background noise to women! Try not to take anyone with you when you kill yourself out of loneliness someday! 🙂

    Whereas no one expects you to be good at basketball the first time you pick up a ball when you haven’t played basketball in 20-whatever years, so we have no shame in saying “I gotta go practice this shit before I can play in the NBA”.

    This is a loooooong journey. This is something that’s gonna be a part of the rest of your LIFE. You’ll have PLENTY of time to tone down the routines and improvise once you get the reference experiences under your belt of actually taking a girl from a set like that home successfully.

    “Keys to the kingdom and all😀 :D”

    It’s all right there for everyone to see and use. 🙂 It’s amazing to me that there are guys who wouldn’t bother reading that stuff or want to go out and apply it if they’re single. Like wtf are they even DOING??? Playing X-Box?? lol

    “I was just like, man, now I have to approach or it’ll be weird.”

    It’s good to get into that mentality. That’s why your opener didn’t have to be anything amazing, she was super receptive because she was HOPING you would open them because you DHV’ed enough (even chatting with the waitress helps, everything that demonstrates confidence and social skills etc helps).

    “And I did have a backup for the food thing, cause I ghostwrite a health blog for work and could use that as an excuse if they look at me weird for asking how the food was.”

    Don’t stress it. The only reason the food thing “needs to make sense” in your mind is because you don’t HAVE anything else to switch the conversation to so you’re stuck in that food topic with them. Remember the phrase “anyway so–” lol Like take the best friends test, an oldschool one…”Ya so you think the food here is pretty decent? I don’t know I was thinking–hey, are you guys best friends? I just noticed when you two talk–” bla bla Like, you just interrupt the thread. That also creates multiple threading which Mystery talks about (can’t find the clip on YouTube anymore but it’s where he draws a hand on the paper behind him and each finger represents a thread lol, I prefer his seminar to his book), where he starts multiple conversation threads but leaves them open/hanging on cliffhangers etc and sidetracks to a different routine/story, leaving TONS of stuff for him to go BACK to and threads for the girls to say “wait wait but what about–” and bring him back to them (which is also an ioi).

    @Scray @Forge
    “You should memorize a stack first and just practice running it.

    become a fucking thespian with it.
    During my original 30 day challenge I practiced video recording myself for like 30 minutes everyday and realizing how I looked when I talk (knowing what you look like in motion and how you come off is a HUGE asset)

    later on, you’ll get what I’m saying about making shit up. it’s a lot of fun and it’s a tremendous asset.”

    Ya, like I say, we ALL did this shit. I still DO at times. I can improvise a lot but I also have a bunch of go-to replies/stories/topics/routines/cold-reads/DHVs/etc to throw out there when the opportunities come up, just from years of doing this. But even now like, if something interesting happens to me, I’ll spit it out as a routine and see how it does and if I like it and it self-amuses I’ll think it out in my head that night and be like “ok what’s a better way to say this, where can I add a punchline, what can I beef up, what can be cut for efficiency…” and next time I’m out I’ll try the new version out. Same exact thing a comedian does with his material on-stage.

    Pickup is about streamlining DHV’s basically. It’s about taking the switches that other guys take 3-10 dates to flip and flipping them all in the first interaction in like the first 20 minutes if possible. So if you’re NOT going to sit down and consciously change a story you tell girls from “I was out with a buddy and we saw this kid who–” to “I was out with a friend and she pointed out this kid who–“, then like, what are you doing out there?? lol

    Also for Forge: habd or whoever was right about the DLV with why you were there alone. Instead of saying you got flaked on try saying you were out with a girl but she was SO BORING that you made an excuse and bailed and then ask them if that makes you a bad person, and then exaggerate it, say you got catfished or exaggerate how awful she was until they can’t tell if you’re kidding or not etc etc have fun with it. OR keep it serious, whatever you calibrate is best for what you’re doing, but like the point is YOU walked out on a girl who didn’t meet YOUR standards (DHV), VS you getting flaked on (DLV).

    When I’m solo I tell girls “ahhh, I had a girl coming over but her boyfriend came home early so I figured fuck it, I live near this place so why waste a shower? And here I am. What brings you girls out tonight?”

    Re-read that, there’s a LOT of pickup/DHV/lover/polarizing concepts involved in that little offhand comment lol In one reply I indicate that I’m a lover, that if they have a boyfriend they can fuck me and I won’t judge them for it, that I’ll be discreet and not fuck their relationship up, that girls with boyfriends think I’m BETTER than their boyfriends, that I care so little about social conventions that I would even SAY something like that to total strangers, that I’m not trying to impress them because I’m not trying to sound like a charming gentleman I’m sounding like a total scumbag, that I’m down to fuck tonight because I was originally going to fuck so if they want to replace my girl I’m up for it, preselection because I had another girl coming over to FUCK (I didn’t “have plans” with a girl or “have a date” with a girl, she was “coming over” and has a boyfriend, aka that means fuck, girls pick up on that without me having to explain it), I’m clearly casual about sex, they know that if they DO fuck me I’m going to have other girls on the go so I’m not boyfriend/provider material, I don’t care about social norms/rules about relationships, I don’t care about social judgement because I’m telling them this, I’m not out to seek validation or try to get laid I was just bored, my logistics are prime for pulling if they want to come home with me or don’t want to cab home etc, etc etc etc

    So in the span of like a 5 second reply, I’ve just flipped switches that other guys can take an hour, or multiple hours, or multiple dates to flip. Efficiency. But that reply didn’t just come out of thin air…it started as “oh I had plans with a friend tonight but she couldn’t make it” and then morphed into “oh I had a date tonight but she had to cancel because it turns out she has a boyfriend” and eventually I was like “hmm I wonder how efficient and scumbaggy I can make this and still get away with it…” and refined it down into what it looks like now.

    @kfg @IAS @Scray
    “I mean that the women know they are going to dance with him. They aren’t going to fuck him. There is no end game. He’s “safe.”

    This frees them to behave in ways they wouldn’t if they were taking The Ultimate Risk. It’s fantasy play. They get the experience of being the star of a trapeze act without a net, because they know in advance that they cannot. fall.”

    This. This is part of what Scray is trying to get across, but it’s hard for guys who aren’t playing the game to understand how the reality of “this guy is trying to ACTUALLY fuck me” makes a difference.

    @theasdgamer
    “The subcomms deriving from Intent to flirt isn’t all that much different from the subcomms deriving from intent to bang.”

    lol no this wrong. There’s a difference. Go to any stripclub and you’ll see a shitload of “intent to flirt” with zero “intent to bang”. Try to seduce/fuck the strippers and you’ll see the difference between how they treated you when they thought you were a safe flirt VS when they realize you actually want to FUCK them and be a part of their “reality” outside of the fantasy land of the stripclub lol

    “I’m still waiting to hear from other men that women that they just met in a bar grab their butts/spank/get in their grid etc. just by seeing them . . .”

    Dude this happens to lots of us. The reason no one is answering is because we’re reading this and scratching our heads trying to figure out if you seriously think guys in nightclubs etc don’t have girls touch them or grab their ass, crotch, or hand them finger them etc You haven’t discovered plutonium lol

  5. @Rollo
    All good, I saved it just incase ’cause my internet sucks lol:

    Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQvSvwLIYY

    Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

    I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

    A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

    The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

    Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

    And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least) especially in the younger upcoming generation that doesn’t want to listen to us old fucks whining. None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

    What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

    I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

    And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

    120k now, with 10k Likes, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!

  6. @Rollo
    Just posted it again but it’s gone to mod. Is her name banned or something lol there’s only one link/vid in the post and nothing else that should trigger any mod stuff in theory.

  7. @ Sentient

    Yoooo Maaannnn!!!!

    Okay, Just for the record, I do not have HIV….

    “I don’t have a dog in the Trump fight, except to point out that he’s not all that smart”

    How do you arrive at this conclusion?

    I came to this conclusion over the past 30 years of being exposed to Trump, and hearing a few of his speeches ( against my will ).

    He’s older now, but he didn’t get wiser. Too busy trying to make more money, which is okay, but it makes him an incomplete man, imo.

    But currently, listening to his speeches as he started campaigning for prez, should remove all doubt about Donald having higher intelligence. One of my barometers for endorsing a presidential candidate is that they have to know more than I do. Put aside his money and real estate and what’s left?

    One thing I’ve learned ( because sometimes my life has depended on it )is to learn to read folks irl.

    Ex: People have said Obama is everything but the Devil. Before he was elected, I told people a) Congress would shut him down. b) He wouldn’t make any significant economic changes, in fact he would double down on failed policies of Bush, and c) He would attempt to have the reduction of forces in the Middle East and Healthcare legislation be the centerpieces of his presidency, but he would be pilloried for which ever he accomplished, even by broke ass people with zero heath coverage that had no clue how health insurance even worked.

    People believe the opposite of Obama, and it works to his advantage. He is/was a shill of the wealthy ” elite “, if you want to call him that. Change…yeah, right.

    Trump is not well versed in world politics. He’s not well versed in the ” world “. He may be aware that he doesn’t know ” things ” in detail, but how does that help a president pick a cabinet and advisors?

    ” The Equalist narrative is tied to debt… college for everyone, who can borrow money… erase the government guaranties and colleges and college degrees would be worth something again… and 25% of the population would have them. But “muh equalz” demand it…

    Same with housing… everyone needs one… if they can borrow for it…”

    I do not believe college is a right for everyone. The main reason degrees are worthless is 1) Poor ass choice in field of study. 2) Shitty, shitty job prospects. College prep should start in high school. That’s the way it worked for me. And at it’s core, college should not just be about getting a higher paying job. That linkage destroys the intent of Higher Learning. Most people give a rat’s ass about ” learning “. They attend college to get paid. Colleges respond by having tuitions go through the roof. Even with billions and billions of College sport money, the costs keep rising because people will go into available debt, not understanding that there is no worthwhile employment. Not about equal, per se.

    The house thing has borne out. Turned into a feverish racket. 30 year mortgage? NINJA loans? Sub-prime market? Chopping up mortgages and securitizing them, opening up a feeding frenzy for MOAR???

    Deregulation opened the public up to this horror. Glass Steagal, where art thou? Money will not allow ” leadership ” to rectify.

    Bailouts.

    Trillions in ” wealth ” vanished for regular folks. Yeah right, ” vanished ‘. Idk where those pesky trillions could’ve gotten to….

    Too Big To Fail terroristic threats.

    Oligarchy in full effect.

    ” all by design… who says slavery has been abolished? Now they got folks stepping up to the auction blocks there own selves… just sign here… take it… take the pen and sign here… you will be equal…”

    Praise the Lawd and pass the paperwork.

    It is All By Design. The public seems to oddly unaware. Maybe they should’ve sought Higher Learning.

    There is an awful lot at stake for the nation. No one will be immune if we don’t smarten up.

  8. One last look by George Meeks at this endless do nothing loop.

    Give blue pill examples in perpetuity. Re-explain hypergamy into infinitude. Prescribe red pill awareness forever. That is all great and perhaps wanted by many. But all this is only diagnosis. All this endless analysis, pontification, and nuanced exemplifications are only a suffering of the symptoms. This is not the solution, not the cure. The symptoms are a result of the basic malady. The cause is ignored as the symptoms are used to distract oneself from the cause. Compulsively obsessing over the symptoms does not stop them from reoccurring nor cure the self.

    Once blue pill, red pill, and hypergamy knowledge morph from awareness into obsession, the obsessed individual reveals to the universe that he is nothing more than hypergamy’s little bitch. He becomes nothing more than a wife of hypergamy married to her in the church of feminism only to endlessly complain, gossip and claim victimhood….just like a little bitch.

    This blog is literally a metamorphosis of sorts that evolved out of another, “So Suave” (ha ha ha who are we fooling?) “Rollo”, or whoever the fuck he really is, was a significant participant in “So Suave”. His self-reflection and his analysis of himself and others are part of what lead him to form this blog which is fundamentally much the same with a more rational and intellectual slant (accomplishing nothing really other than some personal income).

    So Suave, as its name implies, began as a forum (or perhaps a trap) for guys who are asking, “show me how to ‘get girls’, ‘pick up women’, how to be ‘so suave’”. They needed instruction. They sought a path to success with women. They are looking for someone else (not themselves) to show them, a book to read, a manual, they need a philosophy. This is all an extension of the PUA mentality. The entire “manosphere” itself is based on the same. So, why PUA and the manosphere to begin with? What really drives all this? From what does all this originate? What is missing? What does a man lack, that he must pursue such endeavor? To understand, we must take a look at PUA and honestly admit why PUA ever existed, much less became an industry.

    The basic malady.

    Men and women are formed to want to fuck. This is not the malady, there is nothing wrong with “fucking”. There is no denying this and there is no sense in convoluting the fact with “if-this-and or-else-but-oh by the way-maybe-also” endless bullshit social dynamics pontifications. It is just a simple blatantly obvious fact that men and women want to fuck, like to fuck and that we are imbibed with the desire by the “universe”, “evolution” or “God” to procreate. So, consequently, why is there “a problem”? To understand this, we must take a look at and admit the reason why PUA exists in the first place. We must understand that PUA exists for exactly the same reason that hypergamy SEEMS to have so much control and why the “FI” is anything to be concerned with in the first place. We can blame the situation on “conditioning”, “social norms”, and current “culture”. But that reasoning is only rationalizing the situation. Such rationalization diverts the self from the fundamental cause. COWARDICE!!!

    PUA, this blog, all this nonsense, is nothing more than an elaborate evolution of smoking mirrors; a futile attempt to compensate. This chicanery cannot hide lack of self confidence, it only advertises personal doubt and ineptitude. The vacuum of self-doubt cannot be filled with all this bullshit because self-doubt is a bottomless pit.

    1. George, we’re all still waiting for you to start the revolutionary blog where you spell out the plan and path to Red Pill enlightenment. We’re still waiting for you to gather the tribes to your banner and march us all into a new age of gender restitution. We’re still waiting for you to write the book containing your formula to free us from our ‘bondage’. No doubt millions of men’s lives could be saved, no doubt you’d be a instant success and instantly profitable.

      In the meantime I’d be contented with one simple post that even brushed the surface of your ‘cure’.

  9. I happen to find the idea of calling Trump “Der Drumpf” mildly amusing, similarly I tip my Mr. Baldo hat to the NY Post for devising “BAM” as Obama’s go-to nickname.

    Funny how Trumpenistas seem to get just as butthurt about shade being thrown Das Donald’s way as any Hillary-ster or one of Beyoncé’s Hive-minders.

  10. Just to be clear, I’m not anti Trump mostly. I just don’t think he’s qualified to be the actual President.

    What I do dislike immensely is the GOP trying to oust him from getting the nomination. Cruz is a tool and Kasich is a moron, so there aren’t any really smart choices at all, but the voting and delegates either mean something, or they do not.

    The underlying mechanics here speak of something very troubling and nasty being played out right before out eyes.

    Trump’s ” message “, whatever that really is, is resonating with large groups for some reason. Respect the voting process.

  11. “I don’t have a dog in the Trump fight, except to point out that he’s not all that smart”

    It’s OK, man, they can’t all be Lassie. It’s how he feels about you that counts.

  12. @Forge

    @Scray

    Holy hell, that’s how you tear me a new one! Lol. Primed me to learn from this though.

    scray gave you great advice…

    i just want to point out that all of scray’s advice about ‘topics’ and ‘attitude’ is that he is recommending commenting on SUBCOMMS… he is NOT ASKING… and he is making COMMENTS about things that are not surface level apparent = understands social interactions = big ass DHV…lol…like this example:

    then, instead of asking them a creeper question, you just paid them a joking compliment — mainly to the sister: so you guys getting your ducks in a row for the week, deciding which hearts to break and which ones you can let sit for 7 more days (yeah it’s cheesy as fuck but shit like this almost always works in this situ because the girls are there alone and young and you’re giving them value making them feel cool. cool guys GIVE VALUE), which could have led to an interesting thread about relationships which would have been CHICK CRACK

    the idea is bc you understand social interactions, you can make predictions

    – like 2 cute girls out alone on a Sunday night late = not the usual situ, so they must be planning how they are going to use their orbiters this week… lol…the implication (subcomm) is that they are cute and have high social value, and so pointing THAT out/calling it out gives THEM value, bc a high-value man recognizes that… it’s kind of chicken/egg but it just elevates everybody in situ… AND you just knowing that = DHV… which pushes on the other side of chicken/egg…

    then you find out it’s a birthday party and instead of indirectly remarking on how lame it is, try to at least tie it to SOMETHING…..’you guys aren’t out dancing on tables? psh, which one of you has the boyfriend?’ DO SOMETHING….

    like they are ‘here’, whereas for a bday most SOCIAL girls (high value) would be out with their friends, getting drunk and ‘dancing on tables’ and since you see them as high-value (by implication of your next comment) they WOULD be doing that except that something got in the way… the most logical, socially congruent reason is that one has a bf… which gives her VALUE bc she’s then not a slut (who would just blow off the bf to have fun)… and bc sister/friends have similar values = sister/friend is not a slut either…which gives HER value… see how that works?…

    but you have to be able to see this stuff before you can comment on it… just keep trying, it gets easier… OR have a routine that incorporates those ideas…lol…

    @HABD

    Thanks, you’re basically telling me where mindset is falling apart. Like there’s all sorts of tech that i could use if I knew about it maybe but you’re showing why I’m not using it even if I see the chance.

    again, it’s sort of chicken/egg…when your mindset shifts the techs make more sense, but they become less critical… but you need the techs (like routines) to GET to the proper headspace…

    Frame is a subtle thing.

    nope… but that’s part of seeing the subcomms in play…

    I recognized afterwards how I could have taken the frame and benefited, but in the moment? The frame battle was really back-and-forth. I made it normal to be talking to them but past that they were dictating ‘normal.’

    the basic RP game path is [game awareness = try = write up FR] >> [20/20 hindsight] >> [just before real time awareness (you can see it in interactions of others…)] >> [reading your own situs in real time] >> [being able to make predictions about how an interaction is going… to allow calibration in situ]…

    just have to practice and keep an open mind about being able to actually ‘get better’ at it… just like a sport…lol…

    I grew up having a lot of empathy. Empathy is a great way to collapse your frame. Basically wondering more about what other people think than about what YOU think. Wonder how much of that is conditioned rather than innate.

    ya, i’m right there with you…( it’s mostly conditioned…= FI) socially conditioned by a religion that one of my friends once described as ‘catholic without confessions’…bc you should have known better before you did THAT…lol… shaming was heavy… and the FI was in full court press… but you CAN get over it…

    Gotta replace empathy with (appropriate) compassion regardless.

    be compassionate to yourself first…THAT’s appropriate…

    good luck!

  13. Not Born This Morning
    PUA, this blog, all this nonsense, is nothing more than an elaborate evolution of smoking mirrors; a futile attempt to compensate. This chicanery cannot hide lack of self confidence, it only advertises personal doubt and ineptitude. The vacuum of self-doubt cannot be filled with all this bullshit because self-doubt is a bottomless pit.

    Please stop projecting your own mindset onto everyone else.

  14. I mean that the women know they are going to dance with him. They aren’t going to fuck him. There is no end game. He’s “safe.”

    From my recent dance experience.

    1. A woman was working on logistics. She’s thinking about fucking.

    2. Close to last call, one said she was taking off. With a raised eyebrow! A proposition. (I knew her previously.)

    3. One told me, “I let you do whatever you wanted with me.” Lasering, grinning, eyes wide, flushed cheeks. Basically throwing herself at me.

    4. Immediately after a girl cupped my buttcheek, the next girl was lasering me, high energy as we danced. Flushed cheeks, grinning, eyes wide. Attraction spike.

    5. A broad told me, “I told you not to turn me” and immediately contradicted herself, “I don’t care, do whatever you want. I’m a beginner and I’m happy to learn.” Totally submissive and compliant. Lots of IOIs, too. Chatted continuously as we danced. She might not have been thinking about an end game consciously.

    None of these broads thought I was “safe”, lol. I’m not totally sure I’m “safe”.

  15. Blax…

    “but the voting and delegates either mean something, or they do not.

    The underlying mechanics here speak of something very troubling and nasty being played out right before out eyes.

    Some smart guy wrote something about “Why do my eyes hurt?” or something… ICR???

  16. @ YaReally

    “The subcomms deriving from Intent to flirt isn’t all that much different from the subcomms deriving from intent to bang.”

    lol no this wrong. There’s a difference. Go to any stripclub and you’ll see a shitload of “intent to flirt” with zero “intent to bang”. Try to seduce/fuck the strippers and you’ll see the difference between how they treated you when they thought you were a safe flirt VS when they realize you actually want to FUCK them

    You’re a bright guy, but you got this wrong. If the girls could tell that you intended to fuck them, they wouldn’t ever have thought that you were a safe flirt.

    Yeah, the girls have intent to flirt vs. intent to bang, but we’re talking about whether they can read a man’s intent from his subcomms.

  17. Fred Flange – the thing is all the Drumpf and and der Donald dweebs.. they are always sliding around as wolf in sheep’s clothes… the issue is not with the failed rebranding attempts… it’s the lack of honesty “brah”… always cetherdral Shills when called out.

    How can you tell.. they never answer a question… always deflect, ignore their own statements, hell most of them contradict themselves within the same banal sentences…

    That’s the rub… If they would just come out as Bernie supporters, Hillary folk or the actual equalist/Marxists they are… well all’s fair then. But you don’t see it.

  18. Blax.. couple last ones for today…

    “But currently, listening to his speeches as he started campaigning for prez, should remove all doubt about Donald having higher intelligence. “

    But watching the results (#winning) indicates he is highly intelligent.. or do you think he is just lucky? Over and over and over and over again?

    One of my barometers for endorsing a presidential candidate is that they have to know more than I do.”

    Every single person with a top security clearance knows more than you do… I think you’ll find them very unqualified in total…

  19. “The subcomms deriving from Intent to flirt isn’t all that much different from the subcomms deriving from intent to bang.”

    yikes.

    flirting is what I do for fun with women who are cute but don’t interest me for whatever reason. also known as being nice.

    intent to bang is another universe entirely. we both know the end result and that getting there is more than half the fun. also known as foreplay.

    the subcomms from being nice are very different than the subcomms from foreplay.

    when women say they like foreplay, they don’t mean fingering/oral/physical stuff immediately prior to piv. you really don’t need any of that as they are fine with just being taken.

    foreplay is the pickup and sometimes the anticipation of the bang is actually better than the bang itself – similar to the planning of the vacation being more satisfying than actually going.

    guys in ltrs who don’t play pickup with their girls on a daily basis are missing out on a lot of fun and a good chance to really keep their game sharp.

    from a few days ago:

    her: “I was sitting in a meeting at 10:30 and you started running out of me. I had to go to the bathroom because I thought I was going to leave a stain on the chair.”

    me: “that’s what happens when you wear a skirt with no panties”

    her: “I guess the mystery of why I always walk in smiling could be solved though”

    me: “it’s no mystery. they all know.”

    her: “stop it. no they don’t”

    me: “that was nothing compared to tonight”

    her: “what’s happening tonight?”

    me: “goodbye”

    awalt

    ” Go to any stripclub and you’ll see a shitload of “intent to flirt” with zero “intent to bang”. Try to seduce/fuck the strippers and you’ll see the difference between how they treated you when they thought you were a safe flirt VS when they realize you actually want to FUCK them and be a part of their “reality” outside of the fantasy land of the stripclub”

    absolutely. I haven’t been to a strip club in over a year because it’s too fucking depressing. the guys make me so sad and it kills my horny. plus a lot of college strippers are fat now. shows how thirsty guys are that they’ll go and watch fat girls who don’t even put on a good show but just sort of jiggle around until the song ends

    and it’s not a “fantasy land” for the girls. it’s a workplace. go in back and you’ll see OSHA posters and the MSDS book for the cleaning supplies and all the other shit employers have to legally display. talk about killing the fantasy.

    and I’ve never heard a stripper say, “time to go have fun.” no. it was always, “time to go to work”

  20. @Rollo
    Could you save Forge’s ass and edit his comment at:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/comment-page-2/#comment-153239

    to remove his description of the venue (from the words “It was a really cool place” to “not unexpected” a sentence later), and remove the description of the appetizer (the entire “Damn. I was hankering for” paragraph that ends with “Nvm.”), and remove the type of beer he was drinking (“She tells me how the food is, the”)?

    And since it got quoted, could you remove the same stuff (appetizer description and beer type) from this post too:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/comment-page-2/#comment-153310

    I narrowed down where Forge lives to a 15 minute radius of that venue (since he says he lives within 15 minutes of it) from just the unusual appetizer name and the rest of the details he gave confirmed it, and if I was a malicious SJW/feminist/anti-gamer it wouldn’t be real hard to visit that venue looking for him and either watch for him on a future night or ask the staff about a guy who sat with two birthday girls Sunday night around 10pm because he’s actually a harasser of women who wants to legalize rape like those Roosh and Julien Blance guys and full out doxx him.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Land-Whale.jpg

    Don’t include this identifying info in your Field Reports guys. You’re not writing the next Twilight novel where you have to set the mood and those flowery details aren’t relevant to helping fine-tune your interactions. I get that we’re all a happy fun club of supportive buddies here and it’s easy to forget that this is not a private forum and there are people who will try to doxx you lurking, but be fucking careful. Change dates, describe locations in super vague detail, only what’s necessarily relevant (if you didn’t trip on the staircase when you were in the middle of opening her, we don’t need to know that there’s a staircase in the venue and even then we just need to know you tripped, not over WHAT).

    Also feel free to delete this post along with that other stuff Rollo lol

    Also what was the evidence that Karen was her? I’m still super skeptical of that lol she hasn’t mentioned TRM anywhere and her Tweets at the time were about boning her boyfriend. It would surprise me if that was actually her.

  21. “tax dollars go to fund the consequences of women’s legislated rights to Hypergamous choice”?

    fed backed non-discharagable student loans for “liberal arts” which raises the cost of “education” for everyone else

    “free” birth control and other fem service required by the aca. benzos to control their anxiety

    make-work paper-pushing jobs so these women have somewhere to go while they ride the carousel

    all the “mental health” professionals these women have a right to see before they abort their babies

    interesting how there was a big jump in suicides in older women. the same group subjected to feminism who decided that having families and raising children and being grandmothers wasn’t for them. more and more are going to end up at the end of a rope.

    the babylonians sacrificed babies to baal at his temple because they had to do something with the biological results of their ritualized prostiution and they thought this gave them power over nature to secure a good harvest.

    modern baal worshippers have convinced the women to sacrifice their children to the ancient god while still in the womb. millions of them.

  22. @ Sentient

    https://media.giphy.com/media/lXiRwUhrSp6Gqw6TS/giphy.gif

    Lol. You know, we should be having this discussion over cold beers and hot steaks.

    Just saying…

    ” But watching the results (#winning) indicates he is highly intelligent.. or do you think he is just lucky? Over and over and over and over again?”

    Winning doesn’t necessarily denote intelligence, but I get what you’re saying.

    As far as Donald winning votes and delegates, I’m sure that it is due to the palpable anger and anxiety in the country. People are sick of standard, bullshit politicians. Congress has been setting new lows in confidence levels for years now. That shit has to come to a head eventually. Do nothing motherfuckers, I tell ya.

    Trump talks about Jobs, Jobs, and more Jobs, talks shit about China and immigration, talks about leadership making horrible deals, talks about the wealthy dodging taxes, and he is pretty much on target with the assessments. But his solutions show that he doesn’t understand fully what the power of the presidency actually is ( executive orders not withstanding ). Build a wall, make Mexico pay. I get what he means is take the money out of money we give the Mexican gov’t, but Do Nothing Congress will have to do that. Threaten the Chinese to…idk…stop doing…whatever they are doing ( U.S. companies run to china, not the other way around..) so that they dump treasury notes/bonds and further fuck up our economy. Take the oil from the ( Saudis ) middle east. Really? The Saudis also hold a lot of American debt and investments. Why? Because it’s all about the money Lebowski, even over sovereignty.

    Trump nails the problems ( although his immigration stuff is off by a few miles ), but he has solutions that are so simple that they can’t be done without cleaning House ( and Senate ).

    Torture ISIS? Really?

    He’s playing to people’s anger and fear.

    He can’t do half of what he proposes.

    The country needs to invest at home. We need to get the debt under control, not package and sell it to foreigners and keep borrowing and printing more money. The federal Gov’t needs to make a clean break from the finance industry and regulate it once more. No more legal thievery, public campaign finance so that a man doesn’t need billionaires and millionaires in order to run for office.

    How will Trump do this? Idk, but it’s gonna ” Be Great and we’re gonna get tired of winning..”. Sounds like bullshit to me.

    Can he win? Yup. There’s a chance if the GOP doesn’t snuff him out. People are very suspicious of Hillary, as they indeed should be. She’s being forced fed to the Dem faithful, and they seem to be getting some indigestion. Bernie can’t overcome the Hillary machine, I don’t think.

    So if the 2 wealthy people face off, and Hill tries her ” common folk ” approach, Trump might just smash her.

    Final analysis: I wouldn’t vote for either. Gun to my head I would go with Trump. I know what and who Donald is. Hillary has a shit-force field that I can’t get through.

  23. Theasdgamer, you’re autistic if you think first and second wave feminism are different. The former develops into the latter organically, just like classical liberalism morphs into social liberalism/progressivism over time. And marriage being oppressive and the other tropes of second wave feminism have been currents within feminism since the 19th century. Heck, some abolitionists viewed marriage such too. Maybe read some primary sources and study some history of ideas instead of some half baked conspiracy theories.

    It’s also autistic to give a group of people the vote that’s a huge voting block and not expect ideologies to realign based on the new political power status quo. You’re like one of those rich people that’s protesting just the socialistic public policies, not the universal suffrage. Gosh, what do you think all those people will vote for if not your shit? What do you think women would have voted for in a developed market economy in a society that’s based on equality, individual liberty etc after being fed war propaganda about working women by their own government?

    You somehow think the soviets could have converted America to worshipping Buddha without even occupying the territory. Lol. Just like those silly Frankfurt school theories and the silly people who think a bunch of peripatetic Jews fundamentally changed anything. Their philosophy was adopted because it smoothed out hypocritical unprincipled exceptions from your own narrative. For example, if your country is founded upon equality among it’s citizens, blood creating hereditary hierarchies being bad etc, it was moronic to support Jim Crow. The problem if you want a white based country is either giving citizens to blacks(Lincoln wasn’t a Frankfurt school Jew) or the equal citizens narrative(the founding fathers weren’t Frankfurt school Jews).

    So sure, it’s not that western Europe birthed the enlightenment and that America is founded upon the same ideals that naturally lead to where we are based on who won the major wars.

  24. YaReally – I have more posts and responses coming but two quick ones for you:

    1. You’re suggesting watching porn to normalize sex. What thoughts on the school of thought that suggests too much porn is bad for the brain and normalizes your thinking to expect the extreme/constant variety to the point where real women/real life can’t satisfy you anymore? Sites like yourbrainonporn.com or a Youtube talk by James Marshall or any number of similar sites.

    2. On the security issue: this is why I go to some solid lengths to limit identifying info about myself. Easy to just imagine this is shooting the shit with my buddies and basically just the 20 odd people who post regularly here, but it’s not.

    That reminds me: I promised I was going to post a review of the 2016 RSD Hotseat that I attended when enough time has passed. Unfortunately, I don’t think I can do that for security reasons.

    I didn’t realize this till I attended the Hot Seat, but they aren’t all the same. Basically I thought all the 2016 Hot Seats would teach the material that you see in the excerpts from Tyler’s Hot Seat on Youtube..but it ain’t so. Basically each instructor does a Hot Seat explaining *his own* infield clips and they each decide whether and to what extent to do exercises on eye-contact/energy etc like Tyler does. So each Hot Seat is totally different depending on which instructor does it (some do mostly infield video, some do mostly exercises and everything in between).

    So I can’t post a detailed review without revealing who my instructor was, and that will reveal my city because the instructor schedules are public.

    I will just say that I thoroughly enjoyed it and it’s amazing how when you enjoy the subject matter you can totally focus on it for 8 hours and STILL have the energy to go clubbing that night and approach loads of girls. Well worth the $300..the instructors are real pros at public speaking. And their work schedule is brutal – again, I didn’t realize this, but in most cases (not always), they do a Free Tour talk on a Thursday, a bootcamp on Friday and Saturday night (and the related classroom sessions), AND an all-day Hot Seat talk on the Saturday..ALL on the same weekend. That is an absolutely brutal schedule – these guys work incredibly hard and do a great job. Kudos to them.

  25. @ fleezer

    I think we have a vagueness problem. For me, flirting is more than being nice and more than telling a woman that I see her as a woman. For me, flirting is engaging and telling a woman that sex is an option if all the hurdles are cleared. I don’t intentionally do this…it’s my natural state. It’s the only way as a man in a LTR to be sure that you have options. I don’t tell the woman that sex is a done deal because that would be leading her on.

    I almost never intentionally qualify a woman because that would be leading her on. I don’t comment on a woman’s appearance, for the most part. In the past, I mistakenly isolated women due to ignorance and led them on.

    I don’t flirt with women who aren’t bangable, tho I may joke with them, be playful, and let them know that I see them as women. I don’t engage them sexually.

    I flirt with Mrs. Gamer a lot and she flirts with me a lot. Her flirting is basically grabbing at me. Mine is more lasering, amused mastery smile, teasing such as briefly nibbling on her neck and ear when she’s on social media or working from home, etc. Even then, I don’t often close and I leave her hanging. I might tell her to be horny that night. I might tell her a dirty joke.

  26. @ fleezer

    Last time I was in a strip club was decades ago. An ex-buddy took me there against my will (he was driving). It was cold and I went in after waiting for ten minutes. I ought to have called Mrs. Gamer from some store to come pick me up. Anyway, I walked in and sat down and two strippers sat down at the table with me. I wasn’t a happy camper. My ex-buddy also sat down and an old stripper took my hand and poured, yes, poured her tit into my hand. It was like a baggie about a quarter full of water. Ugh! lol

  27. “On the security issue: this is why I go to some solid lengths to limit identifying info about myself. Easy to just imagine this is shooting the shit with my buddies and basically just the 20 odd people who post regularly here, but it’s not.”

    Just curious… Have I doxxed myself unintentionally?

  28. Andy: No idea dude, I haven’t checked lol. Nothing occurs to me about your posts..but then again, it didn’t occur to me that Forge had doxxed his location till YaReally pointed it out.

    The fact is there’s no such thing as perfect security (if the girls I date or my wings read my posts, they pretty much will know who I am) but I go to some lengths to make sure my location/career etc can’t be identified from my posts..and that’s a pretty good target to have.

  29. Lol. I’ve given out enough info about myself that it would be pretty easy for someone to track me down if they put in some effort.

    It sucks to an extent. I have some videos and pics that I’m sure you’d get a kick out of, but as a security professional…he he hee.. it’s not wise. Nothing incriminating, but if my company got wind- not good.

    There was an employee that worked here once. Liked to wear see thru tops, no bra, out and about town. Someone took photos of her and posted them on some social media ( don’t remember if it was facebook ) for laughs.

    Practically the entire company saw them.

    The poster put the location where the pics were taken, and shit snowballed from there.

    Better to be careful in this world.

    I’m sure muh kids plastered me all over snapbook or whatever.

  30. I have a weird memory for that shit. I don’t remember how, but I knew where Forge was from even before that. I may have given enough away… Too late now.

  31. I don’t try to figure out where the guys are from. If I see something, my mind just skips over it.

    I’m still tempted to ask sometimes, but I don’t do so.

    Lol, but I give my location all the time. It’s a huge city of 230,000 people so I’m all needle in haystack-ish.

    Maybe I’ll pay more attention and do like Ya and give a heads up if I see something. U know, see something/say something.

    My stepdaughter was posting on some dating site, and she used her pic, name, and an app that showed her location.

    I bitched her out for 2 whole days for that shit and threw her phone down the basement steps. It didn’t break, unfortunately.

    Lol. So I’m not found on google or anything ( I check ), but this dumb broad sends out a beacon to males as to her location.

    … I get mad all over again just thinking about it.

  32. I have a field report of sorts. I live next to a high school and there were two girls in front of the entrance, sitting on some steps. So I asked them how’s the class skipping going, they laugh and say that well and that they’re waiting for one of their boyfriends. I tell them that I think only the bf girl is skipping because the other girl has this adorable youthful innocence look and tell her that sometimes I wish I’d want a girl like her, but party girls ruined me. She says appearances can deceive, I tell her that it depends on how much padding the bra has and ask her whats the worst thing she’s done that broke the law or important rules. Her story was some petty thievery and I told her a funny story when me and my friends almost ended up with criminal records, but didn’t despite being busted in the fact(weed related).

    That girl’s boyfriend arrives, they introduce me to him and he had a cold so his voice was messed up so I tell him a joke about it and they all laugh and I invite them up for a smoke and to see the sights. The guy wasn’t ‘feeling well'(lol, I imagine he wanted to get his gf home for sex) so the pair wants to go and the girl I was focusing on has mixed feelings so I tell her I have class soon anyway so I won’t have time to dismember her if that’s what she’s afraid of. Anyway she comes up to my place and I make us a coffee each and ask her to roll the joint. I protest to how she does it and teach her another way to roll it and I brushed down her forearms tenderly and she got goosebumps and I made her a heart in her coffee so she asked me if I want her to fall in love with me. I tell her that it wouldn’t be that bad. So she says we should smoke on the balcony because the coffee is too hot now. So I told her it’s good for her to have a hot thing once in a while. I did a few more innuendo like this while we smoked and I noticed each one was upping her temperature so I kissed her lightly and she was ok with it for a while before doing the whole we shouldn’t be doing this and I did the classic agree, but keep going, but she pulled away so I let her and we played the questions game to make her feel more comfort, but it wasn’t meant to be then, which is funny given she made her panties wet during kissing and touching after the q game. I miss teenage pussy. 🙁

    Cold approaching feels really weird to me still, but once in a2, the nerves go away.

  33. Blax, I’m an economist and I understand how the two tiered fractional reserve banking works. The thing is that high powered money, which is what the Fed prints, is only a small fraction of the money supply. Commercial banks also create money when they issue debt and destroy it when those debts default or are paid off. It’s also a money velocity thing. But the main problem is the weak economy. Firms don’t invest, consumption is contracting so the money chasing goods, either investment or consumer, can decrease even if the money supply is expanding. There are also deflationary expectations due to the glut in commodities, which put downward pressure on prices in general. As the economy gets more complex, the more it will deviate from classical economics, which is good for modeling agricultural economies only. The reality is that there are no universal economic prescriptions either. Free trade might be good for some social classes, bad for others, or good for some countries and bad for others. Idk, you’re wasting time focusing on what central banks do that much because they already fired all their shots. Since a recession is coming(all indicators point towards one), it will be interesting to see what they do this time around.

  34. Softek:

    : “Any advice or words of encouragement? I’m not a lost cause and a part of me feels unrestrained about pursuing lots of women, but there’s another part of me, with all the paranoia, FI conditioning, religious conditioning, that’s telling me promiscuity is not a good thing and that it isn’t safe to do.
    It’s embarrassing for me to bring this stuff up but it is an issue for me and I feel like I could use some help rationalizing it.

    @Softek, first of all, I posted something that got caught in moderation for about five days. Seeing as I grow pretty much every two weeks these days, perhaps I don’t feel this is entirely the way I feel now in regards to comments to you. But you are under stress and you are regressing. I’m not judging you, but trying to help in mindset when I posted the following:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/19/cheaters/comment-page-2/#comment-152764

    I commend Scribbler for moving on, prior to this past two months, he kept going to his past (his safe place and anger phase..no offense to him, he’s a great man) in prefacing his comments. Now you are regressing to your messed up past because that is what feels comfortable to you as a victim. I kind of understand, but not really. You have to move forward with agency. You are newly better in the past year and you need to move on. Yes is is scary, but please move forward and don’t hang on to the old you because it is a safe place.

    Forge the Sky:

    “Frame is a subtle thing. I recognized afterwards how I could have taken the frame and benefited, but in the moment? The frame battle was really back-and-forth. I made it normal to be talking to them but past that they were dictating ‘normal.’
    I grew up having a lot of empathy. Empathy is a great way to collapse your frame. Basically wondering more about what other people think than about what YOU think. Wonder how much of that is conditioned rather than innate.
    Gotta replace empathy with (appropriate) compassion regardless.

    Great comments on your field report by the PUA’s. Hope I can encourage you with theory and mindset, Forge

    So for Forge and Softek, let me address Red Pill Theory (even if it annoys YaReally) because that is what Rollo finds as the basis for the blog. (and anyone that wants to address long term relationship game, I’m all ears.)

    I personally can’t really countenance audio books, but I was playing the Preface to the 48 Laws of Power several times this week on my phone. I have otherwise been out socializing and gaming and have been gaming my wife with agency. And it is a resounding success. (In the face of this years round of birthday, wedding anniversary, and mothers day. With the legacy of doing nothing last year for her 50th birthday and giving her a card and skittles for our 25th wedding anniversary last year. Removing time and attention for bad behavior.And my relationship is the best it’s been forever. Because of my mindset. I get far on a tank of Red Pill Theory. So, excuse this cogent reminder of red pill theory from the preface of 48 laws).

    The preface should be read in full. It also contains the caveats of alleged non-game discussed in this thread by NBTM and the fake non-game, non-power play of the Reddit of the Day takedown from the ugly SJW about the red pill reddit weekend.

    There is nothing different here in reference to Power which doesn’t apply to Game why experiences apply in field is why the red pill theory applies:

    Learning the game of power requires a certain way of looking at the world, a shifting of perspective. It takes effort and years of practice, for much of the game may not come naturally. Certain basic skills are required, and once you master these skills you will be able to apply the laws of power more easily.

    The most important of these skills, and power’s crucial foundation, is the ability to master your emotions. An emotional response to a situation is the single greatest barrier to power, a mistake that will cost you a lot more than any temporary satisfaction you might gain by expressing your feelings. Emotions cloud reason, and if you cannot see the situation clearly, you cannot prepare for and respond to it with any degree of control.

    Anger is the most destructive of emotional responses, for it clouds your vision the most. (ed. No offense Softek)

    It also has a ripple effect that invariably makes situations less controllable and heightens your enemy’s resolve. If you are trying to destroy an enemy who has hurt you, far better to keep him off-guard by feigning friendliness than showing your anger.

    Love and affection are also potentially destructive, in that they blind you to the often self-serving interests of those whom you least suspect of playing a power game. You cannot repress anger or love, or avoid feeling them, and you should not try. But you should be careful about how you express them, and most important, they should never influence your plans and strategies in any way.

    Related to mastering your emotions is the ability to distance yourself from the present moment and think objectively about the past and future. Like Janus, the double-faced Roman deity and guardian of all gates and doorways, you must be able to look in both directions at once, the better to handle danger from wherever it comes. Such is the face you must create for yourself-one face looking continuously to the future and the other to the past.

    For the future, the motto is, “No days unalert.” Nothing should catch you by surprise because you are constantly imagining problems before they arise. Instead of spending your time dreaming of your plan’s happy ending, you must work on calculating every possible permutation and pitfall that might emerge in it. The further you see, the more steps ahead you plan, the more powerful you become.

    The other face of Janus looks constantly to the past—though not to remember past hurts or bear grudges. That would only curb your power. Half of the game is learning how to forget those events in the past that eat away at you and cloud your reason. The real purpose of the backward-glancing eye is to educate yourself constantly—you look at the past to learn from those who came before you. (The many historical examples in this book will greatly help that process.) Then, having looked to the past, you look closer at hand, to your own actions and those of your friends. This is the most vital school you can learn from, because it comes from personal experience.

    You begin by examining the mistakes you have made in the past, the ones that have most grievously held you back. You analyze them in terms of the 48 laws of power, and you extract from them a lesson and an oath: “I shall never repeat such a mistake; I shall never fall into such a trap again.” If you can evaluate and observe yourself in this way, you can learn to break the patterns of the past—an immensely valuable skill.

    Power requires the ability to play with appearances. To this end you must learn to wear many masks and keep a bag full of deceptive tricks.

    Deception and masquerade should not be seen as ugly or immoral. All human interaction requires deception on many levels, and in some ways what separates humans from animals is our ability to lie and deceive. In Greek myths, in India’s Mahabharata cycle, in the Middle Eastern epic of Gilga mesh, it is the privilege of the gods to use deceptive arts; a great man, Odysseus for instance, was judged by his ability to rival the craftiness of the gods, stealing some of their divine power by matching them in wits and deception. Deception is a developed art of civilization and the most potent weapon in the game of power.

    You cannot succeed at deception unless you take a somewhat distanced approach to yourself—unless you can be many different people, wearing the mask that the day and the moment require. With such a flexible approach to all appearances, including your own, you lose a lot of the inward heaviness that holds people down. Make your face as malleable as the actor’s, work to conceal your intentions from others, practice luring people into traps. Playing with appearances and mastering arts of deception are among the aesthetic pleasures of life. They are also key components in the acquisition of power.

    If deception is the most potent weapon in your arsenal, then patience in all things is your crucial shield. Patience will protect you from making moronic blunders. Like mastering your emotions, patience is a skill—it does not come naturally. But nothing about power is natural; power is more godlike than anything in the natural world. And patience is the supreme virtue of the gods, who have nothing but time. Everything good will happen—the grass will grow again, if you give it time and see several steps into the future. Impatience, on the other hand, only makes you look weak. It is a principal impediment to power.

    Power is essentially amoral and one of the most important skills to acquire is the ability to see circumstances rather than good or evil. Power is a game—this cannot be repeated too often—and in games you do not judge your opponents by their intentions but by the effect of their actions. You measure their strategy and their power by what you can see and feel. How often are someone’s intentions made the issue only to cloud and deceive! What does it matter if another player, your friend or rival, intended good things and had only your interests at heart, if the effects of his action lead to so much ruin and confusion? It is only natural for people to cover up their actions with all kinds of justifications, always assuming that they have acted out of goodness. You must learn to inwardly laugh each time you hear this and never get caught up in gauging someone’s intentions and actions through a set of moral judgments that are really an excuse for the accumulation of power.

    It is a game. Your opponent sits opposite you. Both of you behave as gentlemen or ladies, observing the rules of the game and taking nothing personally. You play with a strategy and you observe your opponent’s moves with as much calmness as you can muster. In the end, you will appreciate the politeness of those you are playing with more than their good and sweet intentions. Train your eye to follow the results of their moves, the outward circumstances, and do not be distracted by anything else.

    Half of your mastery of power comes from what you do not do, what you do not allow yourself to get dragged into. For this skill you must learn to judge all things by what they cost you. As Nietzsche wrote, “The value of a thing sometimes lies not in what one attains with it, but in what one pays for it—what it costs us.” Perhaps you will attain your goal, and a worthy goal at that, but at what price? Apply this standard to everything, including whether to collaborate with other people or come to their aid. In the end, life is short, opportunities are few, and you have only so much energy to draw on. And in this sense time is as important a consideration as any other. Never waste valuable time, or mental peace of mind, on the affairs of others—that is too high a price to pay.

    Power is a social game. To learn and master it, you must develop the ability to study and understand people. As the great seventeenth-century thinker and courtier Baltasar Gracián wrote: “Many people spend time studying the properties of animals or herbs; how much more important it would be to study those of people, with whom we must live or die!” To be a master player you must also be a master psychologist. You must recognize motivations and see through the cloud of dust with which people surround their actions. An understanding of people’s hidden motives is the single greatest piece of knowledge you can have in acquiring power. It opens up endless possibilities of deception, seduction, and manipulation.
    People are of infinite complexity and you can spend a lifetime watching them without ever fully understanding them. So it is all the more important, then, to begin your education now. In doing so you must also keep one principle in mind: Never discriminate as to whom you study and whom you trust. Never trust anyone completely and study everyone, including friends and loved ones.

    Finally, you must learn always to take the indirect route to power. Disguise your cunning. Like a billiard ball that caroms several times before it hits its target, your moves must be planned and developed in the least obvious way. By training yourself to be indirect, you can thrive in the modern court, appearing the paragon of decency while being the consummate manipulator.

    Anyone that has the book, go back and read the Preface a couple more times. Shake off the shackles of the old you and improve the new, congruent you in an amoral mindset.

  35. “Rollo” The named nameless.

    The cure of each is his own. I thought I made that clear enough. However, I will attempt to start with you.

    I don’t have time for my own blog or book right now, so I prefer hitchhiking on yours.

    You wrote, “Do you or do you not think women ought to have the right to vote?” or the ever-reliable “Shouldn’t women have the right to do with their bodies what they choose?” These questions are always binary (“yes or no will do”) and usually couched in a context that implies that if you even slightly disagree”….

    So off you go again, only to immediately tuck tail before you are really out from under the apron and cower back into a sense of security… a sense of security defined by someone else other than you… as you write…”My position on these and many other questions of the sort is usually met with simple observational analysis (as you’d probably expect). I don’t necessarily have a problem with women voting or even having access to legal (relatively safe) abortions.”….

    Let’s start by examining the reality of the two questions. “Shouldn’t women have the right to do with their bodies what they choose?” This question is an intentional diversion from the issue concerning abortion because the issue being “debated” really is… should human females have the legal right to murder their unborn offspring? The issue concerns not only her body; it also concerns the life of another human. In addition to this, it also concerns the legal right of the father to experience having children without his children being legally murdered by their mother before they are even born and without his knowledge or consent. The question is merely intended as a threat of course, because any negative response threatens “excommunication from the tribe” in the form of branding dissenters as women “haters” (as if emotions and thoughts are now illegal). But the question itself is intentionally dishonest as it is posed to ignore and exclude all consequences except feminine primacy as you have explained. So, we should ask ourselves, “should women be allowed to continue exercising this level of power and control?. Should they continue to be allowed to murder their unborn? If so, then shouldn’t we allow females to murder their parents simply because their parents offend them? The primary reasons for abortion are because the female is offended by the thought of the experience of bearing and caring for their own offspring. Since it is legal for her to murder her own offspring then why shouldn’t we make it legal for females to murder their parents because the parent passed on some genes to the female that affect her body and her life in a way that offends her? What really is the difference other than going forward or backward in lineage?

    “Do you or do you not think women ought to have the right to vote?” This is perhaps the more interesting of the two questions partly because of when female voting rights became an issue and when the 19th amendment was ratified. Timing is important to consider. The first wave of feminism began in the second quarter of the 1800s after the period of “enlightenment” (most of which is delusional) effectively permeated western society. It did not gain much power in the US until just after the American Civil War… after mass male death. More men died in the Civil War than all other wars the US has fought in to date combined and the total population at the time was much smaller. The mass male death resulting from WWI immediately preceded the 19th amendment as politicians seized the opportunity to exploit women for the female vote.

    You wrote, “I don’t necessarily have a problem with women voting or even having access to legal (relatively safe) abortions.” So, I must ask you, “Why not?” Isn’t everything you write about directly a result of the female right to vote? Haven’t you and others made it very clear that the legal system is biased in favor of the feminine imperative and hypergamy? Isn’t the legal system established by politicians who are elected? Why would you want females to have the right to vote since they can use this voting power against you and your imperative? It is the human male who lifted the human race out of the muck and slime of prehistorical living conditions. It is the human males ingenuity, rational, creativity, strength and tenacity that improved human living conditions. The female has contributed nothing other than a supportive role yet today she vilifies, mocks, and denigrates the male who is the reason she no longer has to sleep with bugs, draw water from a creek, skin and process animal flesh by hand, etc. You articulately describe the destructive effects of the FI and her unbridled hypergamy, yet you do not have a problem with her vote being equal to yours? Do you prefer that she have the right to murder your unborn children or just those of other men?

  36. That is why it only takes a mindset to make all your hurdles be low ones:

    From the above link:

    4.) Love The Grind:

    Unaccomplished men have a tendency to complain about how difficult it is to improve instead of using the energy spent complaining on improving. The trick to grinding is to enjoy the grind. If a man enjoys doing something productive, it doesn’t feel like work and thus he perform better than if he looked at it as work. A man should always go into something with the idea it better completes him to do it, that in doing it he gains, and that gains require effort and effort is normal.

    It should be a man’s goal to mentally reach a place where he’s so in love with the game he can’t imagine doing anything but playing it. This is in contrast to those who avoid the game because they fear it, a full conversion from escaping into the mediocrity of pop culture and entertainment, to reading, lifting, networking and creating.

    Emotions dictate a lot of what a man does and doesn’t do regardless of how weak or strong his logic is. A negative perception of a task makes it subjectively difficult regardless of whether said task is objectively difficult, as such a man should construct positive perceptions for difficult tasks if he seeks greatness.

  37. @ TheOldOligarch

    Man, you made my night re: Velocity of money.

    ” The thing is that high powered money, which is what the Fed prints, is only a small fraction of the money supply. Commercial banks also create money when they issue debt and destroy it when those debts default or are paid off. It’s also a money velocity thing. But the main problem is the weak economy. Firms don’t invest, consumption is contracting so the money chasing goods, either investment or consumer, can decrease even if the money supply is expanding..”

    I agree with the fact that what the fed prints ( electronically transfers ) is a small fraction of the total money supply, but we had, what, about 6 or 7 years of QE? And that easing was such a small part of the total monetary supply that it created zero ( or practically zero O) inflation? I’d never really had an accounting of how much ” money ” was distributed in QE, but it had to have been…if not a trillion, many hundreds of billions. Just those numbers alone should’ve theoretically produced higher inflation. There are metric tons of cash just sitting somewhere ( offshore, most likely ). I will acquiesce the point due to my lack of specifics in the matter.

    The velocity is creeping to a halt. This will not end well.

    But I agree fully that the economy is truly weak. It’s my belief that the broader recession never truly ended. Apple, Exxon and a host of others posting record profits does nothing for money’s velocity in the economy ( I love that word ” velocity…I recently watched the hosts on CNBC be completely perplexed by the term ).

    So we had a very shitty swap out between deflationary pressures and any possible QE driven inflation. Still pretty stagnant with no real relief in sight.

    ” The reality is that there are no universal economic prescriptions either. Free trade might be good for some social classes, bad for others, or good for some countries and bad for others. Idk, you’re wasting time focusing on what central banks do that much because they already fired all their shots. Since a recession is coming(all indicators point towards one), it will be interesting to see what they do this time around.”

    I’m kind of on the fence re: free trade. It cannot be so free as to destroy domestic American markets imo. We’ve consistently had horrible trade imbalances here at home.

    … I have a thought, Protectionism!!!

    Ok, maybe that’s a bad call. I keep hearing that protectionism would be a giant mistake. Again, not enough info on my end to judge, but it sound like a partial cure. Better negotiated trade deals for starters.

    It will be interesting, as you say. Genies fight mightily against being put back into bottles.

    I’ll give you The World Banks, and raise you one Shadow Banking System. Maybe we should be concerned more about that little nasty monster lurking in the shadows.

    This was good stuff Oligarch. Makes me shake cobwebs out of the old cranium. Idk if there is any immediate solution. Just endless possibilities.

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  39. Oh yeah, Oligarch – I forgot to mention my issue with QE. It was one of the measures that the Fed instituted that threw and kind of course correction out the window. It’s the same problem I had with the Fed interest rates being artificially held at such lows.

    Banks tightened up on capital, after the horse escaped the barn, but enjoyed practically free money. Again- velocity stagnated.

    So banks could get money at practically zero interest, and if they wanted to they could just buy treasuries. Oh, or derivatives. They Love derivatives.

    I get that some kind of floor had to be put under these soul crushing markets ( housing in particular ), but damn. I have to trust that they were doing exactly what was needed to be done. But that is a terrifying thought in itself.

  40. @Jordan Awlings,

    The leftover Chinese women don’t remind me of the fat slobs of the Western Dove campaign at all. These are opposite situations. How can you expect a lean, 25 year old Chinese woman to want to spend her life with a somehow both barbaric and effeminate, latent homosexual, nose-picking, one inch cock faggot of a Chinese male when she’s an international 8? I don’t blame them at all. If anything, Western males should see these Chinese women as their fellow comrades in the marriage shaming wars. Western males are the ones being shamed for not handing our lives over to ridiculous slobs who are far beneath SMV-wise (in international terms) The Chinese girls are in the same bind that we are.

  41. @ YaReally

    Also like Scray says you’re not fucking these girls, just getting good feels from them, and a lot of them are old chicks and it sounds like it’s usually at venues that you’re a regular at lol

    I’m not admitting to fucking them on social media, lol. Jumbotron. I’ll admit to getting good feels from dancing.

    Old chicks? #2 was late 50s and I danced with her at a venue that is now closed. #5 was early 30s and I’ve danced with her once before. The rest were early-mid 20s. #1&4 were cold approaches. #3 I’d danced with once before at a studio. For #2,3,5, their sexual attraction was persistent.

    Regular venues? #1 was at my regular country bar. #2 was at a huge country bar I hit monthly. Not all that regular. Same with #4,5 (salsa bar). #3 was an out of towner. I knew her sister as an acquaintance and her sister was there, too, and introduced us. #3 happened the second time I saw her at the studio.

    I know lots of people in the dance community, so even if I go to a new place in town, I will have social proof. I’ve learned to chat up the bartenders and bouncers and random men to generate additional social proof at new places. I’ve gone dancing out of town where I don’t know people and inevitably there’s at least one hottie who’s interested in me. I generate social proof at out of town venues following your suggestions and I have lots of dance partners.

    The recent spanking and handkerchief episodes happened at my regular country bar. I don’t consider those indications of serious interest.

    As regards intent…if a girl sees you as high enough value, she will have intent and project her intent onto you. And her Hamster will go into overdrive and create lots of emotions around you if she sees you as high enough value. This is my theory to explain the behavior I listed previously.

    #2 was doing stuff I see all the young girls doing with me (complimenting me on my dancing, asking me to dance, flipping her hair, etc.) except for the proposition. #2 was more desperate than the young girls. She probably had the same level of attraction as the young girls.

  42. @ SJF

    Really appreciate the input.

    It’s true, we fall in love with our problems. Identify with them. Who will I be if I don’t have these issues? etc.

    Right before I’ve had major breakthroughs in the past, I reached a point of tension, but equilibrium. What’s that thing where water is on the edge of a glass, and can build up to a little rim/bubble before it spills over? It’s like that kinda.

    Like, I wasn’t identifying with the bad stuff, but I still felt it. I just was in a state of anxiety, but not labeling that anxiety. So I didn’t have an excuse to not do whatever it was, because it was just anxiety. No reasoning behind it.

    And then seeing what happened after that. Ended up having two hookups wherein I had panic attacks before and in the middle of both……and then getting into this relationship I’ve been in.

    Progress. Stressful? Yes. Scary? Yes. Progress? Yes.

    All good points, and thanks for checking me on the self-martyrdom. I do have a tendency to do that. It makes me Lol to be called out on thinking I’m a badass because that is kind of what I’m doing in my own mind. Thinking I’m cool for dealing with all this shit.

    At the end of the day, no one really gives a fuck. Not in a bad way, like no one cares about me. But just that it doesn’t matter. I can not identify with all that bad shit and still be badass or whatever else it is I want to be in the privacy of my own mind, lol. There are better ways.

    I don’t have to disown my past. Just stop letting it own me. It should be a tool I use, like whatever happened, try my best to use it to my advantage.

    Chicks like that dark/edgy thing. And I have a lot of that. It’s worked for me because it’s authentic, and when I use it in a cool way, vs. complaining about things, it works wonders.

    In a way it’s reversing what I’m identifying with. Like if this shit really is so bad, then take on the identity of, I’m chill as fuck, nothing can faze me, because I’ve been through so much shit that I just don’t give a fuck anymore what people think or how they react to me or whatever.

    i.e., start building up an identity for myself that I want, vs. just accepting what’s been imprinted in me.

    @ YaReally

    You couldn’t write this shit. She specifically mentioned not wanting me to watch Californication or go to strip clubs on top of not wanting me to watch porn, lol.

    I never wanted to go to a strip club, the whole idea of it always freaked me out/disgusted me, never was big on TV and wouldn’t watch Californication anyway, and have for years gone back and forth between using porn guilt-free and quitting it, and am currently in another extended quitting phase, have just completely avoided it for a while now.

    I went on porn anyway after she told me not to. I can’t remember how much guilt I felt or didn’t feel. Probably a mix. But deciding not to go on it again was just of my own accord.

    So the fact that it’s shit I wouldn’t normally do anyway makes it seem OK to me for her to demand that. Just like you pointed out. It blurs the lines a lot.

    Part of me just wants to go through the hellish anxiety and guilt and shame and fuck this other girl in secret. If I still can. It’s funny how much resistance I have to this. I don’t want her coming over here, because I don’t want hell to break loose if the girl I’m seeing randomly shows up, which she does sometimes. I also don’t want this girl having my address.

    But I also don’t want to drive over there. It’s out of my way. And for someone that might not even be a FB, and could just be a one-off thing, meh. But all in all that’s probably the anxiety talking and making excuses for me.

    My friend used to hook up with girls and then when they’d ask him for his number, he’d give them the number to a pizza place, lol. They’d call asking for him. Some of them actually found him later and asked him, “Why do you live in a pizza place?” Rofl.

    The people who worked there eventually confronted him one day he was buying a pizza and asked him why so many girls were calling asking if he was there. They asked him why he was doing that, and he just said, “Well, I don’t really want to talk to them.”

    I can laugh at shit like this, but deep down I’m still a monogamist at heart. Scrib’s called me out on that before. I’ve developed a little game and some confidence but I’m still clinging really tight to the monogamy schema.

    I don’t believe in equalism, but I still want to have what I saw growing up: my dad being dominant in the household, and my mom following. But monogamous nonetheless. My dad always prided himself on never having cheated on my mom.

    Although he was fucking her cousin at the same time he was dating her. So there’s that. Lol.

    In a way I’m still doing what I did in high school. I panicked whenever I found out a girl was really into me, and it happened more than a few times. I was afraid even back then of them wanting more from me than I could provide.

    The story my friend told is probably so funny to me because it’s so opposite to how I am, that it has added shock value. Probably opposite to how most guys are.

    He’s closing in on 70. By the way, he just had a hookup recently with a woman the same age as him.

    The next day she is crying and calls him and says “I can’t do this anymore, I’m getting too many feelings for you.”

    At almost 70 years old. This is like EXACTLY what happened with the girl I’ve been seeing on day two. Comes over, gets out of the car and starts crying her eyes out saying “I can’t do this anymore.” And then gets in the car and tries to leave and I had to talk her into coming back inside.

    That was a shocker to me. I guess not as much changes with age as I thought, lol.

    Like, you’re almost 70. Can’t do what, exactly? I don’t get it. He didn’t either and said he just stopped talking to her after that outburst and wrote it off as a lost cause.

  43. LOL.

    I was just thinking that I have met up with Forge in real life on several occasions. I have no idea what his last name is or where he lives. And it is irrelevant to me. I would pay extra for the opportunity to access his intellectual knowledge. I just like him.

    I for sure fucked up once on laying my shit out there to get doxxed. And YaReally drew me a good line. Thanks. (I torticed). If someone wants to doxx me for being monogomously married. Good luck with that. And fuck off.

  44. “But just that it doesn’t matter.”

    Yes it does. Everything matters. You saying that is merely a buffer.

    All good points, and thanks for checking me on the self-martyrdom. I do have a tendency to do that. It makes me Lol to be called out on thinking I’m a badass because that is kind of what I’m doing in my own mind. Thinking I’m cool for dealing with all this shit.

    You need agency. And agency doesn’t care unless you own it.Get agency and move on. In doing so, you will gain honor among men. Do not waste your time in attempting to gain honor among women.

    Theory matters. So does field experience in Game.

  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvScx3Po8I

    On the topic of self-martyrdom, I’ve been kind of been taking the hook in this song on as my motto lately as a 180:

    This ain’t no place for no hero
    This ain’t no place for no better man
    This ain’t no place for no hero to call home

    The girl in that pic probably just found out the guy to her left was fucking some girl in another band. Just look at him. That motherfucker’s got guilt pouring out of his eyes. Either that or he’s checking her out right now and figures he’ll deal with the axe later. Reminds me of a story my friend told me about a girl that actually pulled a loaded .357 on him, cocked it and pointed it at his head, then down to his chest, back up to his head, etc., and started freaking out. She went into his dressing room at a gig after she heard he was sleeping with some other girl.

    I’m just taking some time out for myself. Been distancing myself a lot from this girl. Shit might hit the fan soon. Mentioned tonight she was considering going out with some other guy on a date (although she didn’t call it a date, and said it wasn’t a date…ok, lol), and asked me if it bothered me.

    I said no, and she seemed disappointed, then started giving me the usual routine about how I don’t care about her, that she doesn’t like that I don’t care who she sees or doesn’t see, etc., that she wants only me, or something. I don’t even clearly remember. I’m so tired at this point I just kind of glaze over.

  46. @YaReally

    @having a bad day
    “you: you should have a drink
    her: i just turn into a slut
    you: that’s a bad thing?
    her: [laugh]

    tells me that your whole interaction was BB (with you chasing = she is the prize)”

    Thing is, this isn’t necessarily his fault with a girl that age who’s got enough baggage that’s she’s NOTICABLY weird/cold. That’s why I hate when guys go after these chicks and try to judge their game based on them lol This isn’t a HEALTHY sane cool sexual late 40s chick. This is a damage case who’s sexuality is who knows where from thousand yard stare baggage. You’re not necessarily a bad driver for crashing a beat up old car that’s been dug out of the junkyard, that car has damage lol Go drive some fresh young lambos to get a better idea of your driving skill.

    ya, i agree that those chicks can be/are damaged…and you can’t always really tell right away. those BPD girls don’t just magically disappear when they hit the wall…lol… they just lose whatever high smv they had to keep guys coming back in spite of the crazy…

    my point was that he was trying to ‘negotiate desire’ when he asked “and that’s a bad thing?”… and he’s going to run into that situ with younger girls, too… so, he needs to see that pattern to avoid it…

    think i was too hard on him?…bc i really do want him to be successful… and i DO think he’s doing great…mostly…lol…

    good luck!

  47. @Culum Struan

    “1. You’re suggesting watching porn to normalize sex.”

    For a guy with baggage around sex being “wrong” and “dirty” and “shameful”, yes, definitely. A guy with that kind of baggage has had society/influences/etc build up in his mind that sex is this big scary boogeyman and he needs to be around sexual women and see sex and like, watch how much fun half the girls on Chaturbate (voluntary webcams) are having with their sexuality and meet some fun strippers who are cool about sex and think it’s normal that a guy would want to look at naked girls, and realize that it’s not that big a deal and it’s not this big boogeyman.

    I actually have a buddy on a diet of porn these days as he tries to overcome this same issue. Minority dude raised in an asexual “sex is wrong/bad/shameful” household. Fucked him up hard, dude can have plenty of “pleasant chats” with girls but can’t pull the trigger because sex is this big deal to him.

    The only reason people shamed him (and Softek etc) around sex is so that he would find it easier to be monogamous because being monogamous goes against our nature, but if you can program the guy to feel shame for even THINKING about sex with other girls or looking at other girls, he’s a lot more likely to be a good little tool/ATM for a wife and kids who need him to support them no matter what.

    also ASK ME HOW I KNOW WHAT A GUY WHO’S ASHAMED OF SEX IS LIKE lol You’d never guess it if you met me now though, ’cause I pro-actively worked through it and put in my infield hours approaching and escalating on girls instead of circle-jerking about being a victim…’cause if I cried about being a victim in the old forums I would have been laughed off of them. And rightly so. But we coddle eachother way more these days. Don’t worry, special snowflake, we’re here for you, let’s all hug and cry together and help you overcome your problems!! In the old days Tyler HIMSELF would have dropped into one of those conversation threads and said “HAHAHA THEN DIE ALONE AND GET WEEDED OUT OF EVOLUTION YOU FUCKING PUSSY, I’M GOING OUT TO FUCK TENS AT A PRIVATE PARTY IN THE HOLLYWOOD HILLS WITH MYSTERY!! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO HIT THE FIELD AND WRITE A FIELD REPORT YOU WHINY BITCH” and that would be the amount of sympathy you got lol

    You can tell as Tyler gets older he’s going back to his tough love non-coddling because he’s seen so many crybabies who don’t see improvements because they’re being crybabies and getting coddled:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW1d-75cCm4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ASEe7NVh3k

    “What thoughts on the school of thought that suggests too much porn is bad for the brain”

    Anything is bad for you if it’s interfering with other shit in your life. And after I jizz I don’t have any real urge to go find sex so I keep my fapping/fucking to early in the week so I have some sex drive to go chase poon on the weekends. But other than that, everything in moderation. Unless you have a bunch of baggage around sex, and then SHOVE THAT SHIT INTO YOUR BRAIN until you realize it’s normal and healthy to want and enjoy sex.

    “and normalizes your thinking to expect the extreme/constant variety to the point where real women/real life can’t satisfy you anymore? Sites like yourbrainonporn or a Youtube talk by James Marshall or any number of similar sites.”

    This isn’t what you’re asking but I think most people who say porn sets unrealistic standards don’t actually watch much porn. This isn’t the 80s where only mass-produced porn with perfect girls faking their orgasms are what guys look at when they look at porn. This is 2016, go to the front page of PornHub right now and maybe 50% of the girls are “unrealistically beautiful”. Even less on other sites. Most of them just look like average girls you see all around you or even ugly chicks, old chicks, fat chicks…some guy watching a bunch of BBW porn isn’t being programmed with some unrealistic expectation of beauty/sex that normal girls can’t live up to lol

    But for what you’re actually asking about variety, here are some things to consider:

    1) why is there “yourbrainonporn” for men, and not “yourbrainonyourdildocollection” for women? “yourbrainoneroticnovels” “yourbrainon50shadesofgray” “yourbrainonTwilight” “yourbrainonhavingtoomanyorbiters” “yourbrainongettingtoomanymessagesinyourinboxonokcupid”? MEN are the one that it’s a “problem” if they want variety. MEN are the ones that have to change. MEN are the ones that have to fight their biology. hmmm…I wonder why THAT is. Maybe to help create more Softek’s, where the girl can cheat on her boyfriend with him and then shame him for looking at another girl and he goes “hurr durr I’m a Nice Guy who wants to settle down and this girl seems perfect because she wants restraints on my sexuality while she has none on hers and that’s what I’ve been conditioned to accept thanks to the noFap porn is evil crowd!” Be a good little chode, don’t want variety, if you do, you’re DAMAGED!!!! You should WANT monogamy!!! We’re naturally monogamous don’t you know! And gender is just a social construct!! And the wage gap!!! Also you should want to fuck Amy Schumer!!! You don’t get hard for Amy Schumer?? You fucking PIG, you sick fucking PIG with UNREALISTIC STANDARDS from all that PORN. You’d better STOP looking at porn until you’re so desperate that you’ll fuck Amy Schumer you MISOGYNISTIC PIG.

    2) where’s the site for “don’t get fat and be ugly and be unpleasant and do everything in bed your man WANTS you to do and put out every time he’s horny, so that he’s more satisfied with the sex you’re providing him and variety is less appealing”? Where’s the site for “don’t watch Amy Schumer movies and quote that fucking “if you can’t accept me at my worst–” quote and make rationalizations for why you should get to be fat and lazy and put no effort in and turn your man down for sex”? Funny how it’s the MAN that has to change HIS behavior. Don’t you want to fuck your shitty girl who’s let herself go? The one who got pregnant and then left all the weight on and stopped putting out and made you involuntarily celibate but still guilts/shames you for looking at porn to get the release that she isn’t providing anymore?

    That site doesn’t exist (well, RoK, lol). Instead we have a society encouraging women to do as little as possible, to eat shitty food, to drink their faces off, to embrace all their baggage and damage instead of trying to fix it or get past it, to pop pills to deal with everyday life, and we CELEBRATE them for it. But GOD FORBID a man should at any point not be totally satisfied with locking his dick down to that girl, who’s only going to get WORSE over time, not BETTER, for 40+ years of his life. GOTTA FIX THEM MEN, THEM PERVY PERVY MEN!!!

    3) wanting variety is only a bad thing if you aren’t capable of GETTING variety. I love variety, I’m probably EXACTLY what they’re talking about in those studies (I actually use them as my excuse with girls “oh I’ve seen too much porn, that’s why I need variety it’s nothing to do with YOU babe, I’m just super fucked up from porn” ’cause they’ve all seen a documentary or article about it lol). I’m the guy who’s watched a ton of porn and been around pickup culture and stripclubs and had a bunch of short-term relationships etc for years so I get bored with girls fast and want stuff like pLTRs or mLTRs or harems/FBs where I get variety and feel tragged and caged when I’m with just one girl.

    But that’s fine because I go sarge and I can GET a variety of girls and by sarging and meeting and fucking girls I’ve learned to arrange situations like an honest pLTR (I’m fucking other girls but the girl is just fucking me) or open FBs where they know I’m seeing other girls etc and are fine with it.

    Personally, I’d put the odds of ending up happy on me, understanding those dynamics and settling down into a pLTR with a girl I’ve screened for being cool with me having girls on the side and ideally banging girls WITH me, versus a guy who goes on about how important monogamy is and then feels shameful and scolds himself for looking at other women or has cravings for other women and ends up creepily hanging out at stripclubs because he’s dying for female attention since his wife isn’t giving it to him anymore, or cheating in secret on his business trips.

    But nobody cares if MEN end up happy, we’re tools to be used. What they care about is that we stick to monogamy and provide for a woman no matter how shitty she ends up becoming. She stops putting out and lets herself get fat? Well hey, it’s a good thing you didn’t watch porn so you can HAPPILY stay with that girl. Because you’re TOTALLY happy in your dead-bedroom with your fat wife, right? You’re not on reddit in the deadbedroom forum crying about how you don’t understand why the person who used to lust after you and says they still love you won’t touch you and that you’re thinking of getting a hooker because you’re so desperate for human touch and somehow shockingly the girl you settled with didn’t live up the unrealistic expectation Disney gave you and she gave you when she was in the courting phase before you got married, that she would suck your dick every night till it stops working.

    Those sites cry about how men who want variety don’t end up happy but they forget to mention that guys who don’t GET variety rarely end up happy either. I can’t even count the number of monogamous married guys who get drunk and tell me “whatever you do, don’t get married, trust me, just keep doing what you’re doing” and are fucking miserable even if they put on a happy face when they have other company over.

    If I’m gonna end up unhappy either way, then I know which poison I’LL take lol

    4) most Nice Guys who these people are trying to save don’t even view girls and girlfriends the same way they view “those sluts” in porn because of their Madonna/whore complex. I don’t know about you guys, but when I was in high school fantasizing about the girls in my yearbook, I was fantasizing about taking them on romantic cuddle dates and holding hands and watching movies together, not picturing bending them over and railing them up the ass and throatfucking them while I call them a dirty little whore, ’cause I was a Nice Guy and the girls in porn were the ones that do THAT stuff, little Suzy from science class isn’t THAT kind of girl, she’s SPECIAL.

    5) as far as any unrealistic expectations of what sex should be like or what girls should be like in bed, you should be HAVING pornstar sex. You should be having the same kind of fucked up weird kinky “no one else is into this, there’s no way, I’m a sick weirdo liking this” sex with girls that you’re watching in porn. Read My Secret Garden and the sequel, watch Chaturbate and amateur porn all day, really let it seep into your brain that that girl you see at the grocery store probably DOES want to do fucked up shit that you think there’s no way she would. That girl has probably watched and gotten off to queensnake (NSFW NSFL lol). They’re not ALL into crazy shit, but a LOT more of them are than guys realize. Part of WHY girls with boyfriends/husbands cheat is because their BFs/hubbies are treating them like special magical delicate angel creatures in the bedroom and they want to do way kinkier shit than that. You should be hooking up with a variety of girls until you learn how to bring those kinky subjects up and probe them for their kinks and FIND girls who are into the shit that you’re into and GET the same kind of crazy “unrealistic” porn sex that you fap to.

    6) James went to be a monk in Tibet or some shit and is woowoo as fuck. His low-energy cold approach is rock solid but the dude probably has “spiritual connection” sex with girls and thinks that’s the best type of sex to have lol Him and I would probably disagree a lot on what kind of sex and relationships are fun/fulfilling. But his low-energy cold approach is fucking great.

    That’s MY view on the subject lol

    “Basically I thought all the 2016 Hot Seats would teach the material that you see in the excerpts from Tyler’s Hot Seat on Youtube..but it ain’t so”

    I don’t think the other instructors are capable of teaching what Tyler teaches lol Or as bought into it (each instructor has their own personality/twist on things that’s congruent to them). I think you’d have to attend an actual Tyler Hot Seat to experience that stuff.

    No details necessary. Hot Seat is the only thing I would actually pay money for, personally, because it’s basically a much better version of reading Field Reports which were probably the biggest help to me back in the day.

    @theasdgamer
    “I know lots of people in the dance community, so even if I go to a new place in town, I will have social proof”

    That was my point. Most of your cold approaches are actually warm approaches, like Scray says you’re focused on your very specific niche/circumstances, most guys don’t want to build a lifestyle around dancing like you’re doing if they don’t have to. Take your dance moves to a non-country venue, like a high-end nightclub full of 21yo’s where you don’t know any of the staff etc, and actually stick your dick in some 21yo hotties and report back on how it held up. We’re focused on giving guys universal skills VS situational skills.

    @Softek
    “You couldn’t write this shit. She specifically mentioned not wanting me to watch Californication or go to strip clubs on top of not wanting me to watch porn, lol.”

    Shocker, lol She wants to keep you away from things that would convince you that wanting sex is normal and healthy because if you didn’t have all this baggage around sex you might go seek it elsewhere and end up hanging out with girls who aren’t all fucked up like her and go “hey, this is actually pleasant.”

    Also the more you jack off the less you need sex (rub one out 3x a day for a few days and see how much you care about seeing her lol) so you taking up porn means her seduction shit has less impact on you. She wants to be your only sexual outlet because you’re going to crave getting off since that’s just a natural thing that happens.

    Her goal is to keep you fucked up as long as possible hoping you hit the point where you don’t know how to NOT be a with a fucked up damage case like her so that you can’t enjoy a normal relationship and come running back to her on your knees begging her to give you another chance. This is mostly subconscious shit.

    “Part of me just wants to go through the hellish anxiety and guilt and shame and fuck this other girl in secret.”

    That’s why most guys cheat, because they’re in scarcity and scared to bang other girls openly incase they lose the girl they’re with so they scurry around in the background. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it, but understand that she will go apeshit on you for breaking up with her, but 10x the apeshit for cheating on her lol

    “But I also don’t want to drive over there. It’s out of my way. And for someone that might not even be a FB, and could just be a one-off thing, meh.”

    Ya totally dude. You wouldn’t want to drive over there, it’s OUT OF THE WAY. Fuck THAT!! Like Dane Cook says:

    “Girls, you make the craziest excuses to stay. Your friends will try and get you out of it. “Why don’t you just go? Seriously Jill, just go, Jill. He’s a jerk off. Just take your shit and go.” You’re like, “I can’t just go Kim, it’s not that simple. My CDs are in his truck. I can’t just walk away from 40 or 50 CDs. It’s gonna take 2 or 3 more years of abuse until I can leave with my CDs.””

    What you should do is just make excuses until you have a girl who wants to suck your dick literally downstairs in your apartment building so you can go “well, but she lives TWO FLOORS down, and like, the elevator, sometimes it’s kind of slow…I think I’ll just get this old chick pregnant instead.”

    All your brain cares about is Survival & Replication, not happiness. It doesn’t care if you end up paying child support to a damage case or living with one who puts you through the hell that sends most guys to the Red Pill after their divorce rape 10 years down the road. All it cares about is that you replicate and are still breathing. So every girl will be “out of the way” because your brain thinks its winning right now.

    “I can laugh at shit like this, but deep down I’m still a monogamist at heart”

    You don’t know what the fuck you are, you haven’t done anything with your life in this area except listen to other people tell you what to think and date a chick who’s telling you what to think.

    You think Tyler and I and any of these nerds who comes to PUA walks in going “I want to fuck a thousand bitches, I want to run harems and shit!!! I’m a nerd but I watched an episode of Californication and that undid all of my social programming and now I just want an endless stream of pussy and open relationships and shit!!”? Fuck no. The VAST VAST VAST majority of us got in the game to just find a nice little girlfriend we could settle down with.

    But once you stop jockeying and actually go meet a bunch of girls and actually start fucking them and meet some shitty girls and meet some cool girls and have some cool girls turn out to be shitty and have some cool girls STAY cool girls, you start figuring out what your ACTUAL values are. You don’t know SHIT about yourself right now. *I* know more about you than YOU know about you right now lol

    “I don’t believe in equalism, but I still want to have what I saw growing up:”

    Ya we all did, that’s what we all think when we get into game. Then we actually get out there and find out that you sure as fuck aren’t going to get that from the chick you’re dating who was SUCKING YOUR DICK WHILE SHE WAS WITH A GUY WHO WAS COMMITTED TO HER. And then we start figuring out through life experience what ACTUALLY works for us and what kind of girls might ACTUALLY be capable of that arrangement.

    my dad being dominant in the household, and my mom following. But monogamous nonetheless. My dad always prided himself on never having cheated on my mom.”

    Do you think you’re going to be the dominant one in the household with your current girl??????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

    HAHAHAAHHAAHAHA

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

    Have you even READ your own fucking posts????

    You think your girl is FOLLOWING YOU???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA

    You think the relationship you and your girl are going to have is going to be YOU being the dominant one and HER following your lead?????

    https://m.popkey.co/665ed9/gKqNY.gif

    You can’t even walk away from this girl, you can’t even not text her for a week, you can’t even watch TV shows she won’t let you watch or talk to people she won’t let you talk to, and you think she’s going to let you lead the fucking HOUSEHOLD??? lololol Because why, she listened when you laid down the law about a few things, at a time when she’s pro-actively TRYING to lock you down as a long-term provider to give her babies she listened to you WOWWWWWWW you are a lion tamer dude!!!

    lol you will be the man of the household the way Al Bundy thinks he’s the man of his household. You will be the man of the household the way her last boyfriend she CHEATED ON was the man of the household lol

    I’m being a dick so you remember this. Even if you DO want what your parents had, which is what most of us all wanted when we got into game, myself included, you aren’t going to get it from THIS girl lol You aren’t even remotely on track to getting it from this girl. This girl isn’t even CAPABLE of providing it, she has you chasing shadows and you guys don’t even have a kid together yet where you CAN’T leave. You can walk away at any minute, with a single phone call (“hey, we’re done, bye”) and you can’t lay down authority or stand up for yourself or do what you want…you think you’re gonna boss her around when she has you locked down for child support and the ability to see your kids bare minimum?? lol

    “Although he was fucking her cousin at the same time he was dating her. So there’s that. Lol.”

    Ya, that’s an IMPORTANT “that” dude lol Almost NO ONE is ACTUALLY doing “monogamy”. They talk a big game but we’re all animals running on instinct. Your parents were from a different generation where that shit was way more important to society and people were still fucking their secretaries and the milk man now and then.

    YOUR MONOGAMY LOVING GIRL WAS SUCKING YOUR DICK WHILE SHE WAS DATING A GUY WHO COMMITTED TO HER AND THOUGHT SHE WAS MONOGAMOUS.

    “The story my friend told is probably so funny to me because it’s so opposite to how I am, that it has added shock value. Probably opposite to how most guys are.”

    You are both very common. And one day you’ll probably understand him and do things similar to him and surprise yourself. We all thought Naturals were “jerks” who “abuse women” etc when we got into game lol We were all Nice Guys(TM) just like you with baggage just like you and a desire for the same white picket fence 2.5 kids strong husband doting wife till death do us part dream that you have. You don’t HAVE a bunch of girls chasing you so you don’t need to give them the number to the pizza place, but when you have a girl you’re not super into you’re already not wanting her to know your address…you’re doing the same thing your buddy did and rationalizing it in the moment, you just haven’t had enough girls chasing you to take it as far as he did.

    “Like, you’re almost 70. Can’t do what, exactly? I don’t get it. He didn’t either and said he just stopped talking to her after that outburst and wrote it off as a lost cause.”

    lol he just hit The Ultimatum (“I’m falling too in love with you to see you anymore if we can’t officially be together”). Standard stuff, see my archives.

    @SJF @Forge
    lol I check that shit out for you guys because I care. 😛 Like I say we’ve had guys go through that shit and the social reprocussions aren’t even the worst part, the worst part is all the girls who thought they were special snowflakes who had a magical moment with this amazing guy, reading their own super logical ice cold detailed Field Reports and having that awesome memory stomped on lol

    @Rollo
    For real tho, edit those posts I mentioned for Forge ASAP when you see this plz lol

    @having a bad day
    “those BPD girls don’t just magically disappear when they hit the wall…lol”

    lol this is important to remember.

    “my point was that he was trying to ‘negotiate desire’ when he asked “and that’s a bad thing?”… and he’s going to run into that situ with younger girls, too… so, he needs to see that pattern to avoid it…”

    Right it’s totally a valid point in general don’t get me wrong, I just mean for this PARTICULAR girl I would chalk it up to her baggage…like that chick was coming out on ANY date with ANY guy with 100% massive intent to try to view him in a provider light, because it’s necessary for her Survival to find a provider to take care of her in her old age and rescue her from her shitty life. But like, a 25yo will come out more open to viewing you as a provider or lover depending on what you throw at her, because she’s happy with either one.

    But that late 40s average chick is coming out with both guns blazing trying to cram any round peg you give her into her square hole of providership, ESPECIALLY with him being a cool guy and even giving a girl like her a CHANCE (he MUST be a low self-esteem provider type to even bother with her, the whole “I’d never be a member of a club that would let me” thing), so using her as an indicator of “oh man you act too providery around girls” is like ehhh a younger chick who wasn’t gunning for making him a provider, may have seen him as a lover.

  48. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY1H1rZL53I

    Crazy flailing ham-beast (seriously, you need to see the vid above): “STOP TALKING TO US LIKE CHILDREN!!”

    Christina Hoff Summers: “Stop acting like a child and I will.”

    Followed by Crowder eviscerating the SJWs in the crowd:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oss7KmiHLmA

    “These opinions you’re yelling out? They’re not even your opinions, they’re your opinions from your gender studies professor and the only reason you picked it was because you thought it was your best chance at getting laid. You just decided to walk on in to pick up chicks at the San Francisco retread, pot smoking drum circle only to realise that your very glance in the direction of a woman causes a barren womb.”

    Beautiful. Weird how much the SJWs want to silence a gay dude and a woman/feminist lol

  49. christ, do you guys have to turn every rollo post on the meta into a PUA chatboard? you do realise there are other places for this?

  50. Hey, Rollo, did you just quote Rage Against the Machine again?

    “Bulls on Parade?”

    “What better place than here? What better time than now?”

  51. @ya
    > THE PUA TRANSITION PROCESS:
    Man, that stuff is pure gold – the wife thing and everything. I bet a bunch of us are going through that now over and over.

  52. Robert Greene: “Never assume that the person you are dealing with is weaker or less important than you are.”

    http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

    @NBTM, Insanitybytes, politicians, SJW’s, Cypher(s), etc.

    To some people the notion of consciously playing power games—no matter how indirect—seems evil, asocial, a relic of the past. They believe they can opt out of the game by behaving in ways that have nothing to do with power. You must beware of such people, for while they express such opinions outwardly, they are often among the most adept players at power. They utilize strategies that cleverly disguise the nature of the manipulation involved. These types, for example, will often display their weakness and lack of power as a kind of moral virtue. But true powerlessness, without any motive of self-interest, would not publicize its weakness to gain sympathy or respect. Making a show of one’s weakness is actually a very effective strategy, subtle and deceptive, in the game of power (see Law 22, the Surrender Tactic).

    Another strategy of the supposed nonplayer is to demand equality in every area of life. Everyone must be treated alike, whatever their status and strength. But if, to avoid the taint of power, you attempt to treat everyone equally and fairly, you will confront the problem that some people do certain things better than others. Treating everyone equally means ignoring their differences, elevating the less skillful and suppressing those who excel. Again, many of those who behave this way are actually deploying another power strategy, redistributing people’s rewards in a way that they determine.

    Yet another way of avoiding the game would be perfect honesty and straightforwardness, since one of the main techniques of those who seek power is deceit and secrecy. But being perfectly honest will inevitably hurt and insult a great many people, some of whom will choose to injure you in return. No one will see your honest statement as completely objective and free of some personal motivation. And they will be right: In truth, the use of honesty is indeed a power strategy, intended to convince people of one’s noble, good-hearted, selfless character. It is a form of persuasion, even a subtle form of coercion.

    Finally, those who claim to be nonplayers may affect an air of naïveté, to protect them from the accusation that they are after power. Beware again, however, for the appearance of naivete can be an effective means of deceit (see Law 21, Seem Dumber Than Your Mark). And even genuine naivete is not free of the snares of power. Children may be naive in many ways, but they often act from an elemental need to gain control over those around them. Children suffer greatly from feeling powerless in the adult world, and they use any means available to get their way. Genuinely innocent people may still be playing for power, and are often horribly effective at the game, since they are not hindered by reflection. Once again, those who make a show or display of innocence are the least innocent of all.

    You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use every day.

    If the world is like a giant scheming court and we are trapped inside it, there is no use in trying to opt out of the game. That will only render you powerless, and powerlessness will make you miserable. Instead of struggling against the inevitable, instead of arguing and whining and feeling guilty, it is far better to excel at power. In fact, the better you are at dealing with power, the better friend, lover, husband, wife, and person you become. By following the route of the perfect courtier (see Law 24) you learn to make others feel better about themselves, becoming a source of pleasure to them. They will grow dependent on your abilities and desirous of your presence. By mastering the 48 laws in this book, you spare others the pain that comes from bungling with power—by playing with fire without knowing its properties. If the game of power is inescapable, better to be an artist than a denier or a bungler.

  53. Shoe on head? Really? Your kidding right?
    If there was an EMP today,we would find Karen out in the back yard stirring up dog shit and giggling while watching the flies.

    This is the same respect she shows for humanity and the full extent of her knowledge and skillset.

    If Big Brother or ah Big Sister had a shill to help categorize the thoughts of humanity this Karen is what it would look like.

    The fact that she has many followers speaks volumes on the current condition of the matrix.

    If she brings anything at all to the dinner table it’s flies and lots of them!

  54. “Instead we have a society encouraging women to do as little as possible, to eat shitty food, to drink their faces off, to embrace all their baggage and damage instead of trying to fix it or get past it, to pop pills to deal with everyday life, and we CELEBRATE them for it.”

    @Jordan Awlings, @YaReally, @scribblerg

    “A cosmetics company is capitalizing on this – check this video here:”

    Yeah… That video PERFECTLY illustrates the point I’m trying to make. A COSMETICS COMPANY. This is why we’re never going to see commercials disparaging women. Women DOMINATE consumerism. They always will. And that has repercussions to ALL of popular media. Think about it… What are the major forms of media that we consume? Television, radio, print, and internet. Three of those, are driven 100% by ads which are driven by CONSUMERS. A huge portion of the internet is too. Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases.

    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/170413/marketing-to-women-30-stats-to-know.html

    EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT! lol. It’s not even fucking close. There aren’t a whole lot of big corporations that are going to want to associate with a tv show or internet site that is going to fat shame women or tell them they should get married before their face gets wrinkly and hair goes grey. And like we see from that cosmetics ad or that fat girl Victoria’s Secret ad… There’s a huge incentive to actually ENCOURAGE them to act against their own self interests. This is why the SJW attack arm of the left is so effective. Nobody wants to piss of women because they are the ones that buy shit.

    THIS is what is driving the message. Not some secret cabal of “elites.” with a nefarious plan to destroy the family and western civilization.

    No matter how FAT and lazy women get popular culture will ALWAYS cater to them. Consumerism and western/global/whatever capitalism plays a HUGE role in strengthening and perpetuating the FI.

    Consumerism feeds Feminism feeds social conditioning feeds consumerism.

  55. “christ, do you guys have to turn every rollo post on the meta into a PUA chatboard? you do realise there are other places for this?”

    yareally the main contributor to this, not sure how many times that ‘tyler picks up alpha female’ clip has been posted in threads lol

  56. @ Rollo

    Heads are gonna roll. Literally.

    One reason we have ‘ terror ‘ is the visceral response to having Islamic culture forcibly westernized.

    They don’t hate freedom…lol, they don’t want our freedoms.

    The violence and brutality will prove unsustainable in the long run though. Successive generations will come into the fold ( Borg ) eventually. Can’t bomb/burn/behead indefinitely.

  57. “Can’t bomb/burn/behead indefinitely.”

    And so it comes in waves. The Spartans defeat the Athenians, and then themselves. The Romans defeat the Greeks, and then themselves. The Germanics defeat nearly all of Europe, and then . . .

    The tricky bit is surviving if you happen to find yourself riding the crest of the wave as it is about to break. The beheading doesn’t have to last indefinitely to behead you.

  58. Btw, lol at the PUA shade😁

    If it really bothers anyone, by all means post comments about the OP after scrolling past. No. Harm, no foul.

    Personally I don’t find it particularly invasive. The number of comments are declining overall so I encourage everyone to put their 2 cents into the fray.

    Now, enjoy this Tyler video…….. 😂

    Lmao

  59. @ kfg

    I’m adverse to intervening in others cultures unless it poses a direct threat ( see: North Korea ).

    The Roman Empire is a wonderful cautionary tale. The Crusades are another.

    I plan on keeping my head, literally and figuratively.

  60. @blogster @Bromeo
    Feel free to contribute something besides your whining, I’m sure we’d all love to read it. 🙂

    Here’s a Tyler video on being a parasite who leeches value from others, you’ll no doubt find it enlightening:

  61. @Sentient

    Did you qualify the girls first or was it an opportunity grabfest?

    @YaReally

    Even at my regular bar, I typically do 15-20 cold approaches per night. And I do my std “build social proof” routine at my regular bar. There are a lot of irregulars at my regular bar.

    LMR was always a problem for me. My friends had a rhyme about me: “He smoke ’em and stroke ’em, but no poke ’em.” lol

    I understand women a lot more than I ever did as a 15 yo kid. Get women chasing and LMR will go way down.

    That Tyler Digest book looked awesome. I found it online with a larger font at…the YaReally Archive. breadcrumbs, lol

  62. “I can’t even count the number of monogamous married guys who get drunk and tell me “whatever you do, don’t get married, trust me, just keep doing what you’re doing” and are fucking miserable even if they put on a happy face when they have other company over.”

    makes sense. marriage means monogamy for the woman. not the man.

    if your wife doesn’t constantly screen other hotties for threesome potential, you fucked up.

    if your wife doesn’t tell you she loves seeing you fuck another hottie’s brains out, you fucked up.

    if you don’t play, “would you fuck her?” with your wife, you fucked up.

    a woman who respects your masculinity will never insist on your monogamy. she will only insist on hers.

  63. “I don’t know about you guys, but when I was in high school fantasizing about the girls in my yearbook, I was fantasizing about taking them on romantic cuddle dates and holding hands and watching movies together, not picturing bending them over and railing them up the ass and throatfucking them while I call them a dirty little whore, ’cause I was a Nice Guy”

    this is why pua guys talking shit about naturals comes off as butthurt.

    sure, many naturals lose their edge/drive, choose poorly and end up divorce raped, unhappy, etc. but many don’t as their brains were wired with the truth about girls sexual nature very early on. then the smart ones add the good pua stuff on top and become the experienced, confident, amoral machs women truly desire

    I knew that “no” really meant “take it”

    I knew that “watch a movie” meant “fuck me on the living room couch with your hand over my mouth so my mom doesn’t hear”

    I knew that “I got up late so I’m wearing sweatpants” meant “I want you to finger me during lunch”

    “cuddle” wasn’t a word I used or ever heard used and “cuddling” really meant getting close enough under a blanket to put something in her

    girls make it so easy, as long as you’re paying attention

  64. @ newly

    I always say that men need a red pill for all aspects of life.

    White knighting for any institution or cause blindly because of some manner of social conditioning or pressure is a ludicrous way to wander through life.

    For a decade I’ve asked people, randomly about the Fed and the ignorance is staggering. Yet everyone is familiar with. Muh Moneez. Lol.

    But hey, the beta answer is ” you got a better plan? “.

    My plan is knowledge. After that shit works itself out.

    Cartels indeed.

    But, there’s a sale with special interest rates for qualified buyers. I’m qualified to give them my cash.

    Muh Status.

  65. Fleezer…

    I don’t know of any PUA guys “talking shit” about naturals… it’s more the naturals subject themselves to PUA guys pointing out obvious things to them when naturals try and disprove PUA… “just fucking fuck her bro”…

    Seduction is a language, a female language. Naturals are guys who figured out a few phrases, who can get around town, order food, find a bathroom… PUA is the doctoral program in language, full immersion with a focus on grammar, syntax, culture and dialects…

    “the smart ones add the good pua stuff on top and become the experienced, confident, amoral machs women truly desire”

    Yes they go to school…

    “makes sense. marriage means monogamy for the woman. not the man.”

    I agree with these sentiments, except to NOT get married unless you want kids NOW and are going to start paying for them… Otherwise it’s a needless complication.

    PS – how old are you and how old is your wife? How long you been married? why did you choose to get married?

  66. You watch how horses interact. They be much about caring about their social position. They got horse friends and horse enemies. The stallion desires exclusive sexual access and will fight for that. Horses will respect competence wrt to herd “frame” (often it is a mare the provides a good deal of competence)

    Now you give some feed, and some other comforts, in a controlled way, and then poof …….the horses will begin to acquiesce to the over-order …. the horsemen (the facet of human culture, with associated narrative, that makes horse domestication possible), and will do the bidding of those humans, so acculturated as horsemen, when asked, but otherwise seem rather oblivious to the trick ….. cause they instead are still really caring very much about their social order. Horses are very malleable, operant-conditioning-wise (within a framework of understanding some horse psychology by those, the horsemen, the wield the operant-conditioning instrument), but horses seem to ignore this circumstance when it befalls them, and instead continue to focus on their social order.

    Maybe there exits the odd mythical wild horse that will never acquiesce to the over-order…… the horse that can sense the operant-conditioning for what it is … coercion …… the forcing of the acquiescence of personal agency to align with the alien will.

    Compare this to the human condition. When do we acquiesce? Are we also mainly oblivious when we do? Is the juggernaut that is humans culture, the human narrative, our coercive over-order (perhaps felt as somewhat alien by some), that we worship at the alter of, by default, mainly oblivious-like?

    What’s the cure for this malady? Understanding frame perhaps? ……that frame is actually the frame-sharing-frame, ….. for humans…… always was …. always will be (granted within the dynamic of it being always passed around, perhaps for momentary individual dominance). It’s the inevitable human condition …… the frame-sharing-frame …… as such to recognize the utter weakness and the utter glory so-revealed by each individual. Cool shit when you see it.

  67. As I elaborated in this post, no matter the country, women solipsistically expect the cultural norms of every country, every society to adhere to western gynocentrism:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36014901

    Japan, Saudi Arabia, 3rd world war torn country or 1st world industrialized, naive or not, the expectation is always that women will be ‘respected’ as empowered and pedestalized.

  68. @oligarch @blaximus

    Its over 2 trillion dollars of assets that were purchased by the Fed.. not exactly printing money.. more like a secured loans to those actors that had liquidity problems. When the Fed calls those in folks had to buy those assets back. (gimme your bad debt and i’ll give you cash to invest but you gotta buy this shit back from me a little bit later.) A good example is the GM bailout (net positive in saving huge swaths of the US industrial economy even though it was fucking pilloried by the Obama haters at the time including myself abit) or the AIG bailout which actually made money for the gubmint

    https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list

    It was multiple Quantitative Easing over several years. I agree Oligarch that the fundamental problems of 2008 had to do with slack demand worldwide for goods, products, services etc, similar as now. QE was an attempt to stimulate demand by taking credit costs to zero.. it did in fact “work” here in the US at least in really softening what would otherwise been a catastrophic economic period, but with many unusual/unintended consequences. Fact is in 2016, we’re at close to full employment and have had many many quarters of positive (though weak) growth. Theres no more easing left to do here in the US but you’ll see similar moves continue to happen in Europe and other places where they realize how to deploy that tool.

    http://projects.marketwatch.com/short-history-of-qe-and-the-market-timeline/#9

    @all re: trump/politics and whatever else.

    I get that we can all find something disagree on, wrt certain topics like politics/economics etc, but I encourage folks to remain well informed, work on comprehending facts and removing emotions/bias when acquiring knowledge.. practice how to divorce what someone is saying from your (probably wrong) image of who you think a person is. I try to stay well informed and that requires that i digest information from as many sources as possible regardless of who’s slanging it.

    I also ome from a perspective where i attach a lot of value to things like science, empirical evidence and reason, which is one of the reasons this site, specifically the evo/psych biological basis of hypergamy makes sense to me. (even after the cuckold rates study lol)

    If you’re the kind of person that thinks that evolution is a “tool of the devil and marxists to destabilize society yada yada..” I mean, we’re not going to be able to agree on much of anything. If you think the earth is 7000 years old or Noah took every single animal on the planet on a wooden boat to escape a giant flood, we’re already planets apart in our starting point, so there’s little to converge on or find common ground. I wasn’t always fine with that, but I’m fine now. Believe whatever the fuck you want. If you’re still questioning if climate change is “settled science” I generally don’t even bother arguing with such folks anymore.

    If you believe Trump is a good candidate vote for him, I gives a shit. Majority of the US and the world are seeing the same Drumpf and are reaching completely opposite conclusion. On a personal level my investments are alpha lol. whether the market goes up/down, and regardless of who is in “power” i’m good brah! But there is scant evidence for either Trumps intelligence, or real estate ability, practically nonexistent. Few people’s wealth are as hard to categorize as Trumps is, and the reason is because its vapor wealth. Successful people don’t need to repeatedly file bankruptcy as a stop-loss strategy. It can’t be a coincidence that so many people that have personally interacted or done business with him come to a general consensus that he’s of subpar intelligence and has a raging ego that is completely unrelated to his proficiency at anything.

    If you give me two developers one started after inheriting a 200 million dollar fully operational real estate enterprise and one who started with a 1 bedroom condo in miami beach i’d look at their NET gain to judge who was a more effective investor. I think in percentage terms he may not even be in the winners circle of all large real estate developers.

    Trump is definitely a clown, can you remember the last time the British Parliament debated whether to ban a U.S. presidential candidate from entering their country? lol But he’s “alpha” and women voters are tingling in secret while they cast their ballot for him? doubtful.

    Its true, the GOP is basically on life support and this. travesty of a primary is full evidence of that. And its not because of any liberal conspiracy. don’t blame liberals, blame the complete lack of any credible ideas and a voter base that consists of folks that are “low information” voters who get most of their news from AM talk radio.

    Re: Hiding, like some others here, it probably wouldn’t be difficult to identify me IRL, but i’m not too concerned, we’re all just bit actors and even SJW’s gotta eat so they’ll prolly be targeting the big fish (roosh rollo etc) rather than commentators, plus i haven’t said anything.. misogynistic. (i don’t think lol)

  69. @fleezer
    “this is why pua guys talking shit about naturals comes off as butthurt.”

    Why would we talk shit about naturals? We love naturals. Are you the type of delicate flower that takes pointing out logical observable obvious flaws and blindspots as “talking shit” because you want to believe naturals are infallable (which would be a very Natural thing to do lol)?

  70. I lol’d at the winning in that article.

    Strong Indendant types, huh?

    Feminism still has so much more to accomplish…..

    Bwaaaaàhaaaaaa haaaaaa haaa haaaaa ha ha haahaaa haaaaaa!!!!!!!

  71. Haven’t been able to keep up here, just scanning for replies/questions for me, sorry if I’m missing something…

    Looks like Rollo took down the post YaReally was talking about. Lol, fine by me, got great feedback already and some of the key bits are preserved in replies for future lurkers.

    I’m a bit less rigorous than YaReally when it comes to anonymity. Figuring out my city won’t get ya too close to doxxing me. Still, better safe than sorry I guess. It’s pretty funny that I can describe a freaking menu item and have that be an issue. Welcome to the internet age!

    Funny thing is, I tend to obscure/change most details lately since the last few times we talked about this. Doesn’t hurt to say Thursday instead of Monday, or that I was drinking rum instead of wine. And details add flavor, which the writer in me likes. Might as well make things entertaining while I’m at it even if a few of the words are inaccurate.

    I actually changed most of the irrelevant details in the last FR, but couldn’t think of something creative on the fly to replace that weird-sounding dish on their menu. Lol.

  72. Ludiamonz – why can’t you just come out and say you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter? The Truth will set you free…

  73. @YaReally re: your opener ‘I was gonna have a girl over but her bf got back early’

    It’s interesting, I laughed at that but a part of me balks at the idea of using it. It’s like ‘nooo I don’t want them to think I’m a scumbag!’

    Just don’t have many reference experiences with girls being OK with guys who do this. They’ll bitch about cheaters and players all the time and that shit cuts a bit.

    I did have a girl try to sleep with me once when her BF failed to show up to a party and she was frustrated, and the first girl who banged me had a live-in BF at the time, so it’s probably just a matter of time before this feels more natural frankly. Girls have ethics that are strange to inexperienced men.

    The idea of having multiple plates used to seem really weird to me too, now I’m just like ‘well no shit you should do that.’

    Mostly just articulating this bc I’m sure other guys are having the same thoughts and need to deal with the same things.

  74. ” . . . she found that neither Japanese men or male Western expats were interested in dating Western women.

    Ms Goldman, now in her 40s, says: “The few single Western women I know in Tokyo seemed to have resigned themselves to being single forever.”

    Feeling bit entitled to men’s bodies, are we?

  75. Rollo,
    ” women solipsistically expect the cultural norms of every country, every society to adhere to western gynocentrism:
    Japan, Saudi Arabia, 3rd world war torn country or 1st world industrialized, naive or not, the expectation is always that women will be ‘respected’ as empowered and pedestalized.”

    These “traveling feminists salesman” don’t give a shit about the state of the women in the “oppressed” countries.
    They’re the more “smart” upper middle class attention whores.
    They aren’t the usual “eat, pray and fuck on a yoga mat”, these women are , a first class whores, who opens their legs to the highest bidders in Japan or to give herself up to a Saudi Prince.

  76. No good choices.. Sentient. I’m already free. Didn’t vote in the primary, and don’t intend on voting in the main race, unless Trump wins the primary lol then i’m campaigning/voting for whoever.

  77. No one’s getting my vote.. unless Trump wins the primary. Looks like it’s gonna be taken from him by force lol.

  78. Forge – “Girls have ethics that are strange to inexperienced men.”

    Just change this to “girls have no ethics that guys can understand” and you will be well served. Cats are not DOGS. CATS are not dogs. Cats ARE NOT dogs.

    Re reference experiences… thought of you last night, with the eyes from that girl. Out having a after work drink with a friend near my house (so no pick up). Nice skinny hipster waitress 5’5 not 100 lbs… she is fluttering around the table. I had just read a bunch of the Tyler Digest (must read) so was particularly cocky in mood… keep teasing her. She comes by and asks if I would like her to clear the plates and I bust on her “well yeah… and do it quick. with dispatch!” and stuff like that. and she is laughing and Yes Sirring! Anyhow my friend leaves, I am finishing up, stand up to go, she comes by and asks, looking up at me “going so soon? There’s nothing else I can do for you?” and and fluttering her eyes with a smile…

    Now there was a time when my brain would kick in and say “just doing her job – service industry, just being friendly etc” this or that blah blah… and smile and walk on. But now, when I SEE IT, I can also FEEL IT… I can actually FEEL a fullness, a groundedness in my body… it FEELS exactly like all the times I pulled… I can feel the attraction and just go with it… No thought about her intent at all… Or holding back kino etc. I just reached out, held her arm above her elbow, gave her some close laser and a little smirk “Hmmmm… that would be nice…. But not tonight” give her arm a squeeze and move on. Definitely would have gone for a make out if it wasn’t on home field…

    So pay attention to how you feel and feel free to just let your body guide you a bit as you develop. Go with it.

  79. ” Didn’t vote in the primary, and don’t intend on voting in the main race, unless Trump wins the primary lol then i’m campaigning/voting for whoever.”

    There’s a good Marxist…

  80. “Be a patient listener (it is this, not fast talking, that gets a con man his coups)

    The put-up is all about choice of victim: learning what makes someone who she is, what she holds dear, what moves her, and what leaves her cold. After the mark is chosen, it is time to set the actual con in motion: the play, the moment when you first hook a victim and begin to gain her trust. And this is accomplished, first and foremost, through emotion. Once our emotions have been captured, once the con artist has cased us closely enough to identify what it is we want, feeling, at least in the moment, takes over from thinking. As any good confidence man will tell you, someone who is emotional is someone who is vulnerable. And so, before a single element of the actual con is laid out, before a single persuasive appeal is made, before a mark knows that someone will want something, anything at all, from him, the emotional channels are opened. And as in that first rush of romantic infatuation, we abandon our reason to follow our feeling.”

    pua tactics very similar to confidence man tactics honed in the late 19th century.

    “The marks, in a certain respect, come preselected. Just by walking into the parlor, you’ve shown yourself to be open to belief and suggestion, and you’re obviously searching for an easy answer to your problem or situation.”

    “Emotions cause us to think in categorical, personal, concretive, unreflective, and action-oriented fashion. They have us thinking reflexively instead of reflectively, reacting instead of considering. They have us just where someone who may wish to take advantage wants us.”

    psychic readings are illegal in ny if not clearly disclosed as for entertainment value only.

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