Fempowerment

fempowerment

I’m often asked by ‘fempowered’ women critics whether I ‘believe‘ in some of the more socially acceptable tenets of feminism in some sort defense to the affront of my Red Pill lens being cast their way. It’s usually something to do with, “Do you or do you not think women ought to have the right to vote?” or the ever-reliable “Shouldn’t women have the right to do with their bodies what they choose?” These questions are always binary (“yes or no will do”) and usually couched in a context that implies that if you even slightly disagree or have a marginal caveat to answering ‘appropriately’ you’ll be dismissed with a name tag that has “misogynist” printed on it. Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man.

Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man. Up until recently, it’s been a very effective means of silencing uncomfortable truths about the Feminine Imperative.

I’ve always found it ironic that a movement (feminism) that predicates itself on the ostensibly egalitarian notion that rational, reasonable considerations of issues should lead us to ideals of equality is the first to reduce itself to unquestioned, blind faith binaries at the first sign of rational reasonable truth being unflattering to women. If you want to know who holds power over you, look at whom you aren’t allowed to criticise – or even hint at criticism.

My position on these and many other questions of the sort is usually met with simple observational analysis (as you’d probably expect). I don’t necessarily have a problem with women voting or even having access to legal (relatively safe) abortions. What I have a problem with is the latent purpose behind the reasons that led to women’s decisions to vote a particular way or the latent purposes that brought them to having that abortion. For the greater part, any dubious ‘right’ women feel they were somehow denied in the past usually comes at the expense of men being liable for decisions they had nothing to do with.

What I have a problem with is an expectation of lowering the standards of the game, thus fundamentally altering the game, to better accommodate the variable strengths and weaknesses of women – up to, and including, changing the very nature of women’s environmental realities that would endanger the wellbeing of both sexes. What I take issue with is the expectation of making men liable for the decisions and consequences of the rights and freedom of choices we’ve reserved for only women to make (almost unilaterally Hypergamic choices) that are not in men’s best interests.

I mentioned in Our Sister’s Keeper that men today find themselves in a very precarious position with regard to entertaining women’s perceived wrongs of the past. Men are expected,by default, to be held accountable, for no other reason than they were born men, for past injuries to the ever-changing Feminine Imperative. Your existence as a man today, your failed understanding to accommodate women’s social primacy, your lack of catering to the ambiguous nature of what conveniently passes for masculinity, is a constant stinking affront and obstacle to the “advancement” of women. The Feminine Imperative has known how to manipulate men’s Burden of Performance for millennia, and at not other time in history has it had the unfettered leisure to do so than now.

So, we get socially acceptable default presumptions of ‘male privilege’ without qualifying what it even means, or we get catchy jingoisms like ‘mansplaining’ to give a name to women’s need for silencing men’s inconvenient observations of women’s ‘correct’ perceptions, decisions and the reasons they came to them. We get default presumptions of male guilt for sexual assault and sexual consent as fluidly defined in as convenient a way that serves women’s imperatives. As I’ve mentioned before, the true intent of feminism has never been about establishing a mutually agreed ‘equality’, rather it’s always been about retribution and restitution for perceived past wrongs to the sisterhood.

There has always been a subtext, a cover story, of equality mentioned in the same breath as feminism. Only the most antagonistic asshole, only the most anti-social prick, would be against “equality between the sexes”. Thus, to be against feminism is to be against a simplistic concept of baseline equality. However, taken out of the propagandizing efforts to shame and ‘correct’ men’s imperatives, it’s easy to demonstrate that the true intent of feminism is female ‘fempowerment’ in the dressing of an equality that no man (or woman) wants to appear to be against.

Yellowed Pearls

I found an interesting example of this  Catch 22 in the Economist recently. Pick and choose: Why women’s rights in China are regressing.

In 2007 China’s official Xinhua news agency published a commentary about women who were still unmarried at the age of 27 under the title, “Eight Simple Moves to Escape the Leftover Woman Trap”. The Communist Party had concluded that young Chinese women were becoming too picky and were over-focused on attaining the “three highs”: high education, professional status and income. Newspapers have since reprinted similar editorials. In 2011 one said: “The tragedy is they don’t realise that as women age they are worth less and less, so by the time they get their MA or PhD, they are already old, like yellowed pearls.”

In the last Red Pill Monthly discussion, I mentioned the expansion that the Feminine Imperative has taken on a global scale. One of the old missives of the manosphere has always been about how American women are too far gone to be worth ever entertaining beyond a pump-and-dump consideration. They are too damaged and self-absorbed beyond all redemption, and men ought to expatriate to another country where women are more feminine or at least necessitous enough to appreciate a conventionally masculine man.

I get that. I understand the want for a Poosy Paradise or some promised land where women are still raised to respect and love men by being conventionally feminine. I also get that there exist certain cultures where this is still true, but for all of that, I think it’s important to recognize the social undercurrent that the Feminine Imperative exercises in these cultures. A popular meme on Twitter is ‘Feminism is Cancer’, but there’s a kernel of truth to the humor of this. The spread of the westernizing social primacy of the Feminine Imperative is spreading, not unlike cancer, into what we would otherwise believe were societies and cultures still oppressed by the mythical Patriarchy – a belief necessary to perpetuate the narrative of default female victimhood.

It may not be now, but at some stage, the Feminine Imperative will exercise its presumptive control over even the societies we think ought to be immune from that cancer. As I mention on The Red Pill Monthly, even in underdeveloped countries where we would expect to find the horrible oppression of girls and women, we make a triumphant example of the incidents of where girls (not boys) are taught to read and “think for themselves”. Westernized culture, founded on the Feminine Imperative, celebrates every time a woman in Saudi Arabia is allowed to drive a car, much less run a business on her own as if it were some blow against the tyranny of men.

Little by little, or in leaps and bounds, your second or third world Poosy Paradise will eventually be assimilated by the Feminine Imperative.

I bring this up because, as you’ll read in the linked article, China is also experiencing the long-term results of having adopted feminine social primacy in its own culture. From women’s popular consciousness, we’re still, to this day, told of how horrible “communist” China has been in mandating its one-child policy and how its draconian ‘sons live, daughters die’ social structure has been the result. However, once we reasonably investigate it, we find that China now has a problem with “Yellowed Pearls” as a result of a cultural shift that placed women’s interests as preeminent in that culture. And it should be noted that this shift came about as the direct result of the men who adopted and accommodated the Feminine Imperative as their own.

Now the problem for women in China is not unlike the plight of American women bemoaning the lack of men with “equal” marriageability as themselves. And likewise, the self-same social authorities responsible for institutionalizing the fempowerment of women are now the horrible misogynist villains for suggesting that women ought to lower their unrealistic standards.

The tone of these articles is surprising, given the Communist Party’s past support for women’s advancement. Mao Zedong destroyed China, but he succeeded in raising the status of women. Almost the first legislation enacted by the Communist Party in 1950 was the Marriage Law under which women were given many new rights, including the right to divorce and the right to own property.

Sounds a far cry different from the pictures women, even women in this century, have painted of China’s institutionalized, one-child sexism doesn’t it? Remember, this advancement in women’s rights took place before the Cultural Revolution in China.

Though collectivisation made the latter largely irrelevant, women played an active role in Mao’s China, and still do today. By 2010 26% of urban women had university degrees, double the proportion ten years earlier. Women now regularly outperform men at Chinese universities, which has led to gender-based quotas favouring men in some entrance exams. However, many of the earlier advances have been eroded in recent years by the gradual re-emergence of traditional patriarchal attitudes.

Consider this part in contrast to other industrialized nations and how women have increased their socio-political standing as the result of having the Feminine Imperative adopted as the primary social order of those cultures. Even in cultures that are still popularly deemed “repressive” to women we see educational and socioeconomic parallels to western(ized) cultures. We also see the same resulting consequences and the shifting of blame for them to men. The downside of Yellowed Pearls is placed at the feet of men for not living up to the convenient, feminine-primary definition of what their Burden of Performance ought to mean in promoting and forgiving women’s decisions.

The party has joined an alliance of property companies and dating websites to confront the issue. Government surveys on marriage and property are often sponsored by matchmaking agencies, and perpetuate the perception that being “leftover” is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. They also promote other myths, such as the idea that a man must have a house before he can marry.

As you may expect, the tone of the article is written to emphasize an egalitarian perspective that conflicts with a reality that the Feminine Imperative would have men change or be responsible for not having changed. It’s men’s fault that women might feel bad for not having married by a post-wall age. It’s men’s fault for promoting myths that women would expect that a man must be successfully established in his life and career before any considerations of marriage occur to him. It’s also a man’s fault for clinging to the “myth” that women don’t want him to be established.

The law is reflecting the shift away from women’s empowerment too. An interpretation by the Supreme Court in 2011 of the 1950 Marriage Law stated that, when a couple divorces, property should not be shared equally, but each side should keep what is in his or her own name. This ruling, says Ms Fincher, has serious implications. In the big cities a third of marriages now end in divorce but, based on hundreds of interviews, she finds that only about 30% of married women have their name on the deeds of the marital flat. Women believe the party hype about becoming a “leftover” woman so strongly, she says, that many rush into unhappy marriages with unsuitable men, made on condition that the brides agree not to put their name on the property deeds.

Feminism Would be a Success if Men Would Only Cooperate More

Several years ago Dalrock had a post detailing the sentiment of feminists that feminism would be a success if only men would cooperate with the ideology by abandoning their own interests and sublimating their own biological impulses. The fact remains that feminism and egalitarianism are failed ideologies because at the root level those ideologies ask men to participate in their own extinction. Not only this, but they ask men to raise successive generations to accommodate and participate in their own degradation.

The narrative expects Yellowed Pearls to be prized by men, or respected as Spinsters, or pandered to as ‘Cougars’ while still maintaining men sublimate their own imperatives by willfully ignoring the fact that their own sexual strategy is what is being asked of them to abandon. As I stated in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies, for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other must either be compromised or abandoned – what better way is there to assure this for women than to socially mandate through shame, persecution or financial liabilities that men abandon their own strategy in favor of women?

For some time now, I’ve detailed how for the past 4 or 5 generations, there has been a popular social re-engineering effort to raise and condition boys to become the ‘better betas‘ – boys designed to become the supportive male-reinforcers of empowering women’s interests and imperatives.

For a greater part this effort has been primarily focused on boys and men in western society, and while it’s still open for debate, I’d say that westernizing cultures are really the only cultural environments that can afford to entertain this ‘fempowerment’. This is changing radically now if it was ever really the case to begin with.

In the manosphere we like to highlight the ‘pussification’ of modern men through various efforts on the part of a nebulous ‘socitey’ aligned against masculinity. However, the flip side to this is the fempowerment agenda; an feminine-primary social structure that disallows any criticism of inherently female nature while promoting the empowerment of women on every level of social strata.

We coddle and cater to the feminine in every aspect of social interaction, every aspect of academic achievement, every socioeconomic advantage inventable, every story we tell in every form of media and we do so under the threat of not being supportive or misogynistic for suggesting anything marginally pro-masculine. This is the other side of the demasculinization imperative of boys & men – the total consolidation of handicaping men and empowering women into unrealistic effigies of feminine triumphalism.

How do you counter this?

I’m always lauded for describing these social dynamics, but I’m run up the flagpole for not offering concrete ways of dealing with and pushing back on these imperatives. Many a MGTOW will simply suggest men no longer play the Game, that isolationism is the way to go, but this only serves to eventually concede power to the Feminine Imperative. You don’t get to check out of the Game even if you refuse to play it. For all the guys who left for parts unknown to find their demi-utopia of feminine women in a foreign country, even they will explain that the tide of feminism is changing those seemingly idlyic places. And for every guy to voluntarilly go celebate and “refuse to deal with women” I’ll show you a man whose tax dollars go to fund the consequences of women’s legislated rights to Hypergamous choice.

Sooner or later Men will have to confront and push back against both men and women who are convinced of their purpose in idealizing the dictates of the Feminine Imperative. A lot of men in the ‘sphere believe their being clever when they refer to people with this worldview as ‘SJWs’, but for every hair dyed, gender-confused man-woman you see on Twitter there are hundreds of ‘normal’ people who all share similar perspectives – some simply subconscious generalization they’re oblivious to – sitting next to you at church, or working in the cubicle next to you.

As I’ve mentioned countless times, the change needs to take place by appealing to the hearts and minds of Men by making them Red Pill aware from the bottom up, but moreover, we need to live out that awareness in our own lives and lead by Red Pill example. Our decisions in life, our aspiration in parenting, family and career, in our business dealings, in the women we Game and the people we hire, all of these aspects need to take on the perspective of how they fit into pushing back against a feminine-primary world that demands we surrender any thought of individuated male power.

As Men, we need to unapologetically exercise what little power we’re left with to inform this and successive generation of Red Pill truths tactfully, but with strength of conviction in the face of a feminine-primary society bent on our surrender. Life finds a way. Feminism and the consolidation of the Feminine Imperative have failed because Men were not evolved to acquiesce their dominant spirit. On the same evolutionary level women also evolved into requiring that convnetionally masculine dominance. This is why feminism and egalitarianism will ultimately fail – nature simply will not cooperate with it’s own stagnation. As men, we can use this truth to our Red Pill aware advantage.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Wildman, From a cultural elite perspective, sure I see a disproportionate involvement of the “tribe” in many cultural affairs in my broader national community in many regards. That having been said it is now fast becoming not so clear. Yes there are some Jews who are major shareholders in national newspaper chains for example, likewise for some major media properties. However in terms of the dominance or ubiquity that they enjoyed in Canada 20 years ago I see that as not having declined so much as having been diluted. If by way of example one looks at major cultural institutions… Read more »

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IAS – the last parts…

8. Girl giving you food off her plate… OK next time have her FEED YOU… remember all the others are watching…

Old guy taking your seat… FUN! Good energy… just busting balls… have fun with it… he was. Spread good feelz to the group…

3 way makeout? – well why not?

“I did quite a few hand-holding leads. I don’t know why I like hand-holding so much, but I do [Theories anyone?]”

Theory – this is the first step towards sex, yeah, it feels good!!!

Good stuff… up to you to escalate or not going forward.

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“The tragedy is they don’t realise that as women age they are worth less and less, so by the time they get their MA or PhD, they are already old, like yellowed pearls.”

😂😂😂😂…

Chinese be keepin’ it real!

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I would say it is a cycle, but an ever changing one. I have faith that we can muddle along in mediocrity, dumb and comfortable for at least 100 years.

True. But on the other hand I couldn’t imagine such a rapid decline in power of the west 10 years ago.

But that cycle may well span over centuries. And if that theory is true a patriarchy might need war to work. War just to have the weaker and less fortunate die. How far we are from that!

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“So you want things to change, change the Universities.”

I wonder where I’ve heard that before.

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15 years. 10 years ago it was already visible.

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One of the elements not being discussed in how the cultural elites managed to shape the cultural narrative is the absence of what would be considered traditional religion. I mean this as a belief that one feels in his core. Carl Marx understood his ideology was incompatible with traditional religion, and he attempted to eliminate religion. I don’t think most of the cultural elites are evil or intending harm. On the contrary, I think many are dedicated to creating a better tomorrow while perhaps also obtaining resources and power for themselves. Of course, most are also blindingly ignorant, which becomes… Read more »

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“15 years. 10 years ago it was already visible.”

This is an example of how far the progressives have shifted the window. It was visible before WWI and rose to significant power in the 20’s.

Much of what we consider the Good Old Traditional days were already deeply progressive.

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@Radium,
God is dead, moral relativism abounds, there is no “Authority” any longer, it’s all fucked.
Go read that book by Charles Murray, Coming apart. It’s a very easy read that gives a very concise history of pretty much how Western values lost the plot and fell apart over the last 50 years.
The only way to “win” really is a massive cultural reset, recalibration. A war a long way from our shores won’t do it, it would have to be a war close to home or the literal bankrupting of the US. to stop the spending.

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The decline of the patriarchy, yes. But the American Century, the rise of “western capitalism” only started with WWI.

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But then I turn around and do work for an Indian guy, who started with a gas station but now owns some 50 hotels, the guy is a billionaire, all made in the last 30 years. Then I turn around and work with a Persian family who also own hotels across the country, also billionaires. Then I work with an up and coming Arab guy who is just trying to eke out a bit more than some other guy. My latest client is an Asian start-up developer with a very aggressive and unique approach to growth that is entirely predicated… Read more »

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@Scriberg I agree with some of what you wrote; this though not so much “…Via immigration and by building factional coalitions driven by the cheapest politics of hate and envy.” that’s not really accurate. I think you’re conflating feminism with the left and thus demonize progressive ideas. Folks tend to lump liberals/feminists/leftist/progressive/socialist into one monolith to make it easier to criticize. Liberals have kicked ass not so much from driving the politics of hate/envy, but by appealing to common sense and reason. Imo yes policies have drifted leftward over time in most western industrialized economies, but it’s mostly due to… Read more »

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“I’m often asked by ‘fempowered’ women critics whether I ‘believe‘ in some of the more socially acceptable tenets of feminism in some sort defense to the affront of my Red Pill lens being cast their way.” Then again, “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away” (Philip K Dick). The question is, how congruent is feminism with the realities of human biology? In any case, the future will belong to those who show up for it. If feminism requires feminist women to postpone marriage and childbearing until they’ve obtained advanced degrees and established themselves in… Read more »

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@IAS ” She goes “IAS, right?”, I smile and go “Yes, that’s me”. “I remember your name from the rounds”. Maybe another perk of being a foreigner [strange name, easier to stand out], or I had caused enough impact regardless. Didn’t do more but probably could have. Too hard to talk in clubs though. [Should have tried to pulled to a dance floor for a bit, or pull to a quieter spot maybe].” lol when a girl comes up to you and notices anything or says anything….90% of the time it’s yours to lose. that’s not to say you can’t… Read more »

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Liberals have kicked ass not so much from driving the politics of hate/envy, but by appealing to common sense and reason.

Lol @ ludiamonzbullshit

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@redlight

Lmao are those Beyonce’s lyrics? damn.. didn’t watch that shit but facebook/twitter is aflame over it. Threw Jigga under the bus lmao.

Sheeiiit, only a matter of time.. Listen to Song Cry, Don’t matter how bomb that pussy is, it’ll get old. even Beyonce yo? imagine that?

Hmm I’d say Jay-Z is pretty alpha at least his on-wax persona is lol.

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It’s true dude.. trad/cons lost the game cuz the ideas are stale. Its a marketplace of ideas and trad/con ideas were simply rejected by the political majority.

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@Scrib, I hear you. The whole system will collapse. It’s too big and corrupt at this point not to. But I believe millions of people like you are preparing for it and have been for some time. One thing I don’t think most people are prepared for though is that if they think RP people like us are the enemy now, just wait until society actually collapses. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

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@ scray the dance floor is a TRAP It can be a trap you create for yourself. Me, I enjoy dancing and the endorphins and good feelz and multiple partners and burning calories and improving my strength and agility and spatial intelligence and social awareness, etc. If I’m not focused on making a connection with my current dance partner and maintaining that connection after the dance because I’m wondering who I want to dance with next, then it can mess up my game. I need to revisit making a connection with my partner. It can be difficult to maintain that… Read more »

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Lol @ ludiamonzhbullshitPiledHigherandDeeper

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@theasd “Me, I enjoy dancing and the endorphins and good feelz and multiple partners and burning calories and improving my strength and agility and spatial intelligence and social awareness, etc” ok but you’re also married and not looking to bang anyone. so let me clarify: if you’re looking to have sex with women and run into minimal obstacles etc., the dance floor is just best avoided. you will spike and then have problems taking them away “The dance floor is an opportunity to DHV. If your convo skills are lacking, dancing might be a way to maximize your skills.” ya… Read more »

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YaReally Sentient HABD scribblerg and all the usual gang Non pickup question from me today. Still social skills/rapport related so I figure it’s in the same wheelhouse. So I’m going to a big multi-day work conference soon. It’s the biggest event in a fairly insular “small world” kind of career area. Several hundred people in a nice resort for 3-4 days – mixture of panel discussion type stuff and fancy black-tie dinners, informal drinks events and some tourist events and social stuff. Most delegates (including me) staying in the same large hotel. Everyone who is anyone in that career field… Read more »

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@ ludiam0ndz: “Liberals have kicked ass not so much from driving the politics of hate/envy, but by appealing to common sense and reason.”

It might surprise you to learn that Scribbler is a Liberal; but he knows the difference between a liberal and progressive socialist.

” . . . trad/cons lost the game cuz . . .”

. . . there is little, if anything, either traditional or conservative about them.

” . . . the political majority.”

Women.

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Scrib’s just been watching too much Star Trek, that’s all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljjFE0sTNeg

Seriously, Scribblerg, if you aren’t exercising, get to it. That’s the quickest way out of where you seem to be.

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Geeze, Redlight, how about a little warning next time?
And what is it that’s on fire in that pic? Never mind, I don’t wanna know.

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total money spent: 0 $

HBs? : take your pick

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you need to learn how to SOLVE the social situations you’re in and CLIMB the hierarchy. if you’re there with multiple women you need to start trying to get free shit.

Damn scray, that shit sounds like gold. Does YaReally already have a post up about that? If not, he should get it in his archives.

I’ve still got to work on basic fundamentals, but I’ll keep this in mind for down the line.

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Aside: I realized a bit after posting the FR that I didn’t even reconsider my reply to that “fucked my dog” line (shit test?). Here are 2 I thought up a) “Does that mean you are a bitch?”, nuke reply but I don’t think that would be a clever play there. b) Stare her down and ask “Doggystyle?” is probably the winning reply there. @Scray: to be fair, like ASDGamer I am also married and not looking to bang anyone (other than my wife). Unlike him though I’m not even looking to do make outs (which if I recall he… Read more »

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@Pellaeon: I’ve read most of the YaReally archive. Plenty of posts alluding to similar tactics and approach, but not that particular one. I think that’s scray applying the same basic principles and developing his personal tactic.

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@sentient “errmmmm Common Thread is these are all clanish/tribal cultures that seek over and over to consolidate gains among their ingroup vs disperse among outgroups… thereby maximizing their impact/competitive advantage disproportionate to their demographics/populations…” I do not entirely agree. The Indian guy, he is ruthless and cunning but he has almost no in-group affiliation in his organization, for the first time in thirty years he only just gave his daughter a job, that she cannot really screw up. Beyond that his organization is totally “diversified” so to speak, a 100% meritocracy, you either make him money or you get fired,… Read more »

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@Culum Struan Would seem to me the easiest way to “open a set” is when you have one of the inevitable sessions where you are hearing a lecture etc, make sure you participate in the Q and A at the end of the session, get up and make a comment, or a question. Don’t be a wall flower. You have the benefit of being outside the group so you may have a fresh perspective to add. Use that to your advantage. Following the session, it may be that your question / comment will have spiked some interest and it will… Read more »

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“I don’t entirely disagree with your premise that there are tribal / clan affiliations that can drive business.”

LOL… Premise???

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/04/magazine/a-patel-motel-cartel.html?pagewanted=all

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@ kfg

Women.

the young. immigrants. minorities.

Rule by the uninformed

There was a political study done by liberals that said that old, conservative, native-born white men were the best informed. Their solution, of course, was to get their base to be better informed, not realizing that those who are better informed tend to vote more conservatively.

Somehow, liberals never bring up that study.

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@ Culum

Any tips or thoughts on how to work things socially to maximise results?

Glom on to the project team that your old employer sends. Figure out how to bring value so that they will invite you to their stuff.

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Anybody wanna sign on to the idea that the Republican Party is run by extremists? lol

Repubs are vying with Dems for who can pander more to women, minorities, immigrants, etc.

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Culum On your upcoming quest… it is just like pick up… You need to open, to DHV and know logistics… Some tips… Spend more time in the lounge, the break areas and especially the lobby bars… this is where connections are made. Be honest – tell people you are looking to get into the field and ask for advice, contacts what they would do now… People love to help people they get some connection with… Seek out the chodes and spread value… they are a valuable resource for information and have low social proof and skills… Instadate them! Have standing… Read more »

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Culum – The Jet Set episode, season 2 episode 11…

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@Sentient @Blaximus RE: Trump I don’t see that Trump has “thrived in real estate in NY” for decades, or really any length of time. Truth is if I (or most folks of avg to above avg intelligence) had gotten a 200 million dollar inheritance, you’d see a whole lotta thriving too. If he’d invested that lump sump in a basic market index fund he’d have significantly more money than he has now. I dabble in Real Estate and trust me, it is not difficult when you have a yyyuuuuuuggggeee amount of capital like he started out with and a frothy… Read more »

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@ scray ya you will ‘DHV’ and then get some chick interested and then have nowhere to go because once you pull her off the floor the ASD goes through the roof. I’ve bounced women to another venue from the dance floor before. I don’t understand why you think that the ASD goes thru the roof. Try saying, “I’m just here to dance and have fun,” to alleviate ASD. Occasionally, I find that girls only want to dance with me. Like five dances in a row if I’ll let them. Right after dancing with one girl, I complimented her on… Read more »

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@redlight.. my eyes cannot unsee lol, why is her crotch of fire??

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@theasd, I’m all for lols and whot not, but you know i’m right about the trad/con idea failure = lost votes. Sheeit even with all the voter suppression and other tricks the GOP is basically unable to get enough support. Generally speaking good ideas are good ideas, regardless of who the voting demographic is, not to say folks don’t gravitate to free shit and vote accordingly. Both right and left offer free shit, the right just offers the free shit to large corporations and the wealthy, both of who don’t vote in large enough numbers (but with Citizens united, they’ll… Read more »

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lol @ ludiamonzStandardLeftistPropaganda

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@ForgetheSky First off….props for killing AA and going out and gaming the two sisters. The more you do this, the better you get at it and the less intimidating it becomes. I’m not sure why it’s intimidating. I approach so much now that I find I can say just about anything. You should have said: “Well, my birthday’s coming up, let’s meet back here for that and you can buy me a drink, what’s you number?” When she asks when your birthday is, give it…she’ll laugh and offer you her number. Practicing on the chubby waitress works in the same… Read more »

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@Forge: obviously not an expert (see my “Epic length FR” where I was starting from decent or even massive social proof/pre-selection and didn’t do much with it)… But you looked pretty solid there. False time constraint, settle down with them and so on. Experts please correct me if I’m wrong. Running out of things to say happens. Just stare at them with a smile. The awkwardness isn’t necessarily bad, sexual tension is supposed to be awkward. That should also force THEM to break the silence and contribute to the convo. The others have been saying “know your logistics” given the… Read more »

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@ Forge chatting up the bartender…good…why not chat up some more sets…even other men?…good you didn’t let AA cockblock you…you could have left the set and left yourself a return ticket…”I have a few questions to ask you, but they can wait til later”…bounce to a new set…chat…return…get up in the grill of both of them…flirt with both of them…”leave while you’ll still be missed”…bounce the sisters to a new venue where you get them heavily invested in going…gonna have to sell the venue to them…they have great spinacha dip or ritas or taco sunday or cool dj or cool… Read more »

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@ wala

Here to pick up girls??”

“Maybe. How much do you weigh?”

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My favorite recent tale of “fempowerment”:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/fractured-a-first-date/

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Ghandi who knew a thing or two about change, said it best-Be the change you want to see in the world.

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Ms. ludiam0ndz A liar and a shill… “Drumpf” really? Thoughts on Jon Stewart and Ralph Lauren? Even the WaPoop cannot match your libelous claim of $200M… But you being blind to the “truth” you tout… will never see it https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/ But really tell us what your real estate “dabbling” consists of and how exactly it compares to Trumps global projects? I’m all ears boaster…! You write like a millennial woman SJW… even your own sentences are contradictions… Elon Musk isn’t alpha but Drumpf is? really? c’mon kiddos. Three divorces? talking about his new born daughters tits and whether they’ll be… Read more »

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@theasdgamer “I’ve bounced women to another venue from the dance floor before. I don’t understand why you think that the ASD goes thru the roof.” when, what year? did you fuck them? when, what year? I don’t -think- anything. it happens. you spike her in an environment that is super loose and non-judgmental (the dancefloor — anything goes) and then you take her off it back into the real world and suddenly you’re this guy she doesn’t know blah blah fucking blah. “Try saying, “I’m just here to dance and have fun,” to alleviate ASD.” K if I want to… Read more »

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@sentient I’m including the value of the trump brand at the time it was handed to him, that and other intangibles (connections, experience from watching pops first hand (assuming he was paying attention,) which is probably what his current wealth consists off. His pops had been slanging tenament buildings for decades. Yes I dabble in real estate. It’s a simple market for me and my area has a range of price points. It’s a completely different scale from trump tho sheeit can’t even compare.. But I’d turn 200 million in today’s dollars (prolly several billion) into more. lol calling me… Read more »

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Ludiamonz

“I’m positive” – HIV no doubt…

Please share your source for “valuing” Fred Trump’s “brand”… as he was “slanging tenaments”… Like Samuel Lefrak [nom de guerre Le Frak]?

” But I’d turn 200 million in today’s dollars (prolly several billion) into more.”

Oh really? So far less than Trump… Who started with less than $10M in capital… Let me know which lenders, among your “dabbling” experience, are paying cash on goodwill…

You fuckwit.

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@ scray I’m very glad that you’re raising questions. ASD will flare up if you try to bounce a girl from one venue to another if there isn’t enough comfort built up. I’m basing this on my knowledge of girls. These girls feel lots of comfort with me. I teach them to dance. They are trying hard to please me. Very compliant. I generally avoid being overtly sexual with my students. Girls who are watching see other girls having a good time learning to dance with me. Comfort. Girls see hotties dancing “cuddly” with me. Girls see hotties tapping me… Read more »

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These supposed reactions men have to feminism looks binary too, MGTOW or acquiesce. No I don’t think so. Be “tactful” explaining Red Pill truths? Wat? No, truth is truth. What is binary is the choice of wifing up Western sluts or finding Poosy Paradise in an Asian country, where women are still feminine and want traditional families. I can’t believe you mock men (and you do in your way) for not wanting to wife-up high cock count blue hairs. “Appealing to hearts and minds” is just the same strategy as cuckservatives, thinking they can win over Hispanic voters. No, tell… Read more »

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Haaaa you so funny sentient. You should def take up stand up comedy.. hiv positive! Lmao bravo my man, so witty!

How does trumps penis taste in your mouth?

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Long time lurker, first time comment. I’ll keep it short and sweet. It is my firm belief that the only viable long-term solution is to break the female monopoly on human reproduction. All that is being described within the manosphere about female nature has its roots within this monopoly and the cycles which have occurred countless times before will continue to repeat. This is because just like within any entrenched (corrupt) monopoly, the monopolist will continue no matter what to serve only his/her interest rather than that of the market at large (humanity in this case). Break this and it’s… Read more »

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A big part of the issue is men being conditioned to worship women and the ground they walk on. Let that sink in. Worship. Actual worship. Sexual deprivation is the flame and the social conditioning is the gasoline. It’s like a starving man being told he has to put on a dress and humiliate himself for food. He’ll do it. The biological urge, the biological NEED, is too great. Sustenance takes priority over self-actualization or even dignity. Is having a Beta perspective as your Mental Point of Origin much different from wearing a dress? Is it any less horrifying or… Read more »

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tl;dr: I was flipping thru a journal of mine tonight that I haven’t looked at since I wrote in it, and that’s what led to that post. I didn’t realize I’ve been on here for several years. The changes I’ve gone through are staggering, and I think I’m a great case study for how TRP can help change men’s lives…and how many men’s lives it has changed already. Shit is pretty bad as far as feminism goes, and how much ground it’s gained, but the pushback from TRP is significant. Enough to turn around a really fucking hard case Blue… Read more »

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@Culum “Any tips or thoughts on how to work things socially to maximise results?” Same shit. Spread value, open people, introduce them to eachother, ask “how do you know eachother?”, be honest/congruent. Have business cards or whatever handy so they have an easy way to get in touch with you or be prepared to take theirs ’cause they’ll probably close YOU (old business dudes always want to give me their business cards lol). Easy stuff don’t stress it, just don’t get hammered and be social. These people have value to you because you want something from them, but understand that… Read more »

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@Forge the Sky Well done and props for going out solo and opening. Most guys would have finished their beer and left, or ordered another beer and let AA build up even more until they’re 3 beers in, still haven’t opened, the girls have lost attraction because he didn’t man up and open them when the window was there, and go home frustrated, drunk, and out a bunch of money. You can’t THINK your way out of Approach Anxiety, you gotta take action and FORCE your way out of it. So massive props. And yes that chick was into you,… Read more »

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@Forge the Sky
big reply in mod for you

@Rollo
Also my Shoe post is still in mod on the previous page

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@sentient did you even read the article you posted? My figures were much closer to reality than yours. But methinks you’re not interested in reality, Seems like you like hearing yourself bloviate. I’m kinda supervised that find tha Dons business success impressive! Cast your vote as you see fit. Lol. And yeah I realize mad immigrants changed their names to assimilate more readily, thats not a slight, I’ve had fam that have done the same thing, my point is drumpf is funny to me. Donald drumpf say it out loud a couple times. So yeah keep snackin on Donald’s Dick,… Read more »

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*suprised

Must be the hiv fuckin up my spelling

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What exactly do you mean by “tax dollars go to fund the consequences of women’s legislated rights to Hypergamous choice”?

I found it: Your previous Red Pill Monthly Youtube podcast (with Niko). You mentioned the government spending billions to protect women from domestic violence.

More generally, women favor higher social spending and redistribution. But this is not exclusively a gender thing.

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Feminism’s root – “I feel I am an underclass and that practice is not congruent with the society’s current zeitgeist.”

I have no problem with this thought.

Feminism today – “As a woman, I feel I am entitled to all the experiences a man has plus all of mine.

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^^ mistake post… ^^ Feminism today, “As a woman, I feel I am entitled to all the experiences a man can have plus all the experiences I can have.” That one I have a problem with. I am a man who is 5,7. It is not reasonable for me to wish I was 6 feet tall. It is not a good use of time to be pursuing 6 feet. As Epictetus said, “Do you want to be a wrestler? Examine your body, is your body fit for the job? Are you prepared to train under compulsion, to eat only what… Read more »

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@scribblerg Excellent and thought provoking post. I have argued in my own little corner of the world that essentially, “counter co-opting” is the only option left. If more men in Europe (who are almost irreligious anyhow) co-opted Islam, while still living in the modern world (think Iran, but better infrastructure), this can all be brought back under control. Same in the US eventually. As you point out, perhaps not meaning to highlight this, but the Left never “fought” to win over Academia, or “the Government”, they simply co-opted all these entities over time, by sheer numbers, going along to get… Read more »

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Bo Jangles – Ghandi who knew a thing or two about change, said it best-Be the change you want to see in the world. reminds me of a story… @culum Struan – some further observations on cadence and day game for you. In my local coffee shop. One thing I’ve started doing much more of is being ‘open” to new interactions and this starts with your positioning and body language. So if for example there is a counter, take a seat facing away from the counter, toward the room. Try and position yourself near the flow of people or where… Read more »

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LOl that’s funny… Ya’s response popped out… routines…

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Forge… Here is how another routine was developed, this one sexulizing and kino… Something for you guys to incorporate… At a bar, two women come in and take the stools next to me. One dressed in a gray sweatshirt and sneakers, with shortish blond hair and the other a 7 with long curly hair, pretty eyes, good figure, long curly hair and dressed in leopard print spandex, knee high leather boots and a flimsey blouse. The 7 sits next to me. Long story that’s pretty funny, can’t tell it all here for time, but i was using the Mystery logistical… Read more »

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@YaReally @scray Totally awesome description of what’s going on on the dance floor, YaReally. I get it now why scray doesn’t get some of my points. If a girl asks you to dance, she is still in a fantasy state, most likely, if she’s a beginner. If she’s a dance geek, she just wants to dance. The fantasy can get up a lot higher than 2/10 for lead/follow. That’s merely baseline for a basic step. Turn her a bunch and her emotions will spike as you flip her world and make her dizzy like riding on a roller coaster. Dip… Read more »

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Damn Boys the question isn’t if it is going to burn it’s when,some mitigation is in order and get tooled up,get in shape and stay fit. Once your nuts drop and you get hair on your ass,you are old enough to be a man,figure out what that means to you and start acting like one.Keep in mind CYA you are number one,you can’t do any good if you get injured. Learn game,learn how to get what you want,how to get your needs met,survival is #1 instinct for everyone. It doesn’t matter what you have as much as wether or not… Read more »

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@Andy – From a Vox Day article recently posted… “It was 1969. Kate invited me to join her for a gathering at the home of her friend, Lila Karp. They called the assemblage a “consciousness-raising-group,” a typical communist exercise, something practiced in Maoist China. We gathered at a large table as the chairperson opened the meeting with a back-and-forth recitation, like a Litany, a type of prayer done in Catholic Church. But now it was Marxism, the Church of the Left, mimicking religious practice: “Why are we here today?” she asked. “To make revolution,” they answered. “What kind of revolution?”… Read more »

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” . . . read Engels essay on the family . . .”

Even most Marxists don’t read Engels any more (or Marx for that matter). The triumph of the progressive socialists is so profound that they simply “pick it up” by osmosis from the culture.

“You speak as though there is some alternative to this.”

Without private enterprise the Eastern Bloc would have collapsed decades sooner.

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@ Sentient

Good conversation and fun = nothing without sexual intent.

Gold. Ya gotta show desire cuz girls wanna be desired.

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@Culum you’re getting good advice on the work thing, so i’ll echo the others… just bring red pill value to the ‘normies’ (lol)… and understand just how valuable that shit actually is… most people are stifled/socially retarded (and not in a good way…lol)… this would be a great time to practice throwing girls at your new buddies too…lol… it really does shift your headspace… on to more important things…lol…i don’t have a lot of time to comment (actually making progress on my own shit…lol), but i have been reading your FRs (and Forge’s too…). i’m making time bc you need… Read more »

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scribblerg further from that story… They proceeded with a long discussion on how to advance these goals by establishing The National Organization of Women. It was clear they desired nothing less than the utter deconstruction of Western society. The upshot was that the only way to do this was “to invade every American institution. Every one must be permeated with ‘The Revolution’”: The media, the educational system, universities, high schools, K-12, school boards, etc.; then, the judiciary, the legislatures, the executive branches and even the library system. It fell on my ears as a ludicrous scheme, as if they were… Read more »

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“to invade every American institution. Every one must be permeated with ‘The Revolution’ ”

Named ‘The Long March through the Institutions,’ after the Long March of the Red Army, by a German Gramscian.

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@ scrib I need some help here. A major sticking point for me, especially considering my Catholic upbringing, is feeling inherent guilt/shame for wanting to bang a lot of girls. This is basically what caused me to cockblock myself with a 23 y/o lately who was DTF. I had a perfect opening but panic set in and then I just let it go. Not that it’s all over, but I keep shooting myself in the foot. In a couple hookups I had in the past, I had full blown panic attacks, because the limbic level message I was picking up… Read more »

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@ya “ehhh, dance floor can be done as long as you’re AWARE that ” ya i mean…anything CAN be done my main point was back at the beginning: ‘if you like to dance, have fun, but the dance floor is just….you’re making it harder on yourself.’ so yeah, if you know what’s going on and want to deal with the added headache, knock yourself out. ‘ I get it now why scray doesn’t get some of my points’ I understand just fine, you’re essentially repeating ‘but I can do it, it can be done’ over and over again. I never… Read more »

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@YaReally, having a bad day: what did you think of that situation in the club with the “I fucked my dog” line? It was in the middle of a looong FR but you can skip to point 7. of this link:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/#comment-153169

@Scray: the headspace is that I’m practicing game for two reasons a) in case I divorce I won’t be completely inexperienced b) in case I don’t divorce, it pays off to be better at game so that I can game my wife better.

It helps to develop more of an abundance mentality and outcome independence.

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@Softek, don’t use religious upbringing as an excuse to fall back on. Just use a condom and carry on with your journey.

P.S. Go back and read your last comment. You use “I think” and “I feel” so much dude. Stop thinking and feeling and just go out and do Too many mind!

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You are thinking about sometihng very particular to yourself and how you spend x hours a week practicing dancing I don’t practice any more. That took about a year. Then I took a year to learn the fundamentals of dance instruction (just observed during group lessons) so that I could teach it on the dance floor. Particular. Hah. I started with two left feet and autism, but I got better. But different strokes for different folks. This convo has helped me understand something important that I need to put in my book. Thanks. The whole state change from dance floor… Read more »

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@scribblerg What’s more plausible? A group of 12 women get together and successfully plan and execute the downfall of western civilization OR they’re just part of small part of a huge movement that was already underway, and was going to happen anyway? “What you call consumerism only increases once marriage and childbearing and work patterns change in the ’60s in the U.S. and women join the workforce in large numbers.” Correlation is not causation. My theory is that technology and consumerism is why they went to work in the first place. And it continues to happen in this same pattern… Read more »

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@IAS at 9:54am i think you handled it fine. sounds like you came in on the tail end of some joke/story that was not intend for you, but SG1 was trying to use you to shame/tease SG2 for the story…lol…(‘you scared this guy…’). @Scray: the headspace is that I’m practicing game for two reasons a) in case I divorce I won’t be completely inexperienced b) in case I don’t divorce, it pays off to be better at game so that I can game my wife better. It helps to develop more of an abundance mentality and outcome independence. that’s where… Read more »

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@YaReally, Sentient Thanks. I’m still a bit high on being able to open sets without shitting myself, and not being all that nervous once the convo gets going. Yay I can open sets! Then…uh, what now? lol. Like a dog that catches the car. I suppose I’ve been resisting the ‘training wheels’ of having routines even though WHY WOULD I NOT NEED TRAINING WHEELS. No shame to it, who cares if you look funny at first. I mean, hell, to make the analogy real I used training wheels as a kid. Now I can bike 100 miles a stretch. Wouldn’t… Read more »

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@habd: LOL “on the tail end” ahah.

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IAS… just go with the flow and have fun… try to have fun, recognize how comedy works…

Her: “I fucked my dog”

You: “OMG…! So did I!” [high five]

You:[beat] Had to stop though… yeah… My cat was getting jealous…

he’s such a pussy… [rimshot!]

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@rugby11: That’s the thing bruv…there was balance, when men & women are “unbalanced”

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@sentient

“Jay Z an alpha? Not buying it…”

You could be correct, here is B on J:

Let’s imagine for a moment that you never made a name for yourself
Or mastered wealth, they had you labeled as a king
Never made it out the cage, still out there movin’ in them streets
Never had the baddest woman in the game up in your sheets
Would they be down to ride?
No, they used to hide from you, lie to you

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@theasd “Lead/follow dancing will expose your shortcomings as a leader or follower. It elicits growth.” we’re just gonna keep talking past one another. you’re not out there trying to fuck anyone. it’s a little different. @forge “Past that, no argument. Time to tighten this shit up.” hahah no worries man. I just gave you a general mindset that will help. You should memorize a stack first and just practice running it. become a fucking thespian with it. During my original 30 day challenge I practiced video recording myself for like 30 minutes everyday and realizing how I looked when I… Read more »

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” . . .you’re not out there trying to fuck anyone. it’s a little different.”

Most of the women are playing Safe Game with him.

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@Kfg: please tell me more, what do you mean (I’m in the same position, most likely).

On another note, opinions on this piece?

https://medium.com/@enagoski/these-graphs-tell-a-shocking-story-about-the-rampant-college-hookup-culture-38a0ef1b0af8

My first impression is that anything self-reported is very unreliable. Men are probably over-reporting and women are probably under-reporting.

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You’ve pulled from the dance floor…cool…I’ve pulled a hottie deep in convo with RAS active who was being gamed by a PUA onto the dance floor…she didn’t wanna quit dancing…it can work both ways…he fucking hated me, lol…all that work and poof! she was gone…

You know, ASD, it might just be that what scray means by the words “pulled from the dance floor” isn’t the same thing that you mean.

To put it another way, I bet his subcomms aren’t the same as yours, because his intent is not the same as yours.

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@ Andy Wassup Bro? I have come to the conclusion over the past 15-20 years that Capitalism has become more akin to a religion, the tenets of which can never be questioned lest ye be Marxist/Communist/Anarchist/Freedom-Hating. I have a few friends that are Diehard Capitalist. So much so, that it is impossible to reason with them using facts that are right in front of their faces. One of these fellows actually became a multi millionaire by basically robbing and tricking and stealing ( no differently than a common criminal ), but because the rules/laws governing Wall Street were shifted in… Read more »

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scray During my original 30 day challenge I practiced video recording myself for like 30 minutes everyday and realizing how I looked when I talk (knowing what you look like in motion and how you come off is a HUGE asset) Most people can’t stand they way they sound on an audio recording or look on vid. IMO this is just self-consciousness at work, and it’s a neural pathway. What you did is one sure way to get over it, although the first few times it’s like fingernails down a chalkboard. Looking at yourself on vid as “ok, I need… Read more »

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Oh, one more thing, this is certain lnot new but I’ll repeat it anyway. Some years ago I ran across a study that showed a huge number of people ranked “speaking in public” right next to “death” in terms of things feared. Ya, some people would rather die than speak in public. Sales is public speaking. So is game. The only way to get over it is to do it, critique it, improve it and repeat. Lots and lots of public speakers have vids done of themselves routinely, just to tweak presentation. I’ve never done serious sales but I’d expect… Read more »

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