Non-Exclusive Exclusives
I got a link back this week from another backwater blogger who was critical of my, or really a Red Pill, take on an abundance vs. scarcity mentality. I haven’t really felt a need to review Plate Theory for a while now, but ever since Holistic Game’s coffee house protests went down it seems that picking and pulling various bits from my Plate Theory series is some novelty.
I’ve been writing in the manosphere for so long now that the same predictable straw men arguments and out of context quotes have become de rigueur now. Any objective observation of women’s sexual strategy by a man is always synonymous with misogyny.
What I’ve always found entertaining about Blue Pill critics of Plate Theory is that the concept of non-exclusivity always borders on the criminal when a man suggests men ought to pursue a non-exclusive dating (and sex), yet we hold women up as empowered, prudent and/or exemplary of bucking the repression of an imaginary patriarchy when they suggest the same.
Of course the quick retort to this is that women are ‘slut shamed’ for being non-exclusive, but this is simply an old, convenient, sidestep to shame men while distracting from women’s practical sexual strategy.
As Open Hypergamy becomes more embraced among women the usefulness of drawing attention to ‘slut shaming’ actually becomes a hinderance to justifying women’s Hypergamous priorities (AFBB). When a high profile woman like Sheryl Sandberg suggests,…
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
Sandberg’s epitaph here is every bit as “objectifying” as anything you’ll find in the ‘sphere, but the difference is we are expected to find her advice for assuming a state of sexual abundance practical as well as refreshingly progressive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating that as women more proudly, openly, embrace the uglier aspects of Hypergamy it will be women who will prove the validity of Red Pill awareness far better than men could. Sample from the largest available pool of prospective sexual experience (Alpha Fucks) and presume that an ‘equal partner’ (Beta Bucks) provisioner will make himself readily available to you when can no longer reliably attract the men who represent your sexual priorities.
I covered this in Plate Theory V: Lady’s Game; the natural extension of women’s sexual strategy is, at least practically, best served from a presumption of abundance. And as such we also find that the vast majority of feminine-primary social conventions center on facilitating this presumption of abundance for women. Pop culture, social media and a feminine-primary social narrative fosters an over-inflated SMV and an exaggerated sense of self-worth for women, but functionally it convinces women that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance with regard to their sexual viability almost indefinitely.
Even in a condition of committed monogamy that background sense of sexual abundance simmers in women’s subconscious. We laud women with the guts to pursue that abundance after divorce or even reward them with popularity and movie opportunities when they write books about pursuing it while married. Either that or we pat them on the back for their ability to continually move the goalposts and convince themselves and others that spinsterhood is a goal state they sought to achieve their entire lives.
In all of these instances, whether legitimate or not, there is an impression that women can perpetuate a condition of abundance for themselves – and often far past their true sexual market viability. One reason I draw the ire of many a Blue Pill male and women is because my breakdown of the predictable schedule women follow throughout their lives with regards to their SMV and their dualistic sexual strategy is that it directly confronts the doubt that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance in spite of their personal choices in life.
And that’s the crux of women’s self-affirming social and psychological conventions; to avoid any accountability for the fallout that may be caused by the choices Hypergamy has led them to make. Roissy came up with the maxim that the end goal of feminism is to maximally enable women’s sexuality while maximally restricting men’s – and of course the consolidation of that enabling of women’s sexual strategy must also account for absolving them of misgivings and mistakes made in enacting it.
Failsafes
In Betas in Waiting I explored how a majority of boys have, for several generations now, been conditioned to be serviceable providers for women once they enter a phase of life when they find themselves becoming less able to compete intrasexually. Anyone familiar with Preventive Medicine understands this (Epiphany Phase) period as the point during which a woman’s Hypergamous priorities shift from short term Alpha Fucks to long term Beta Bucks.
I also outlined the underlying plan involved in ensuring this strategy in This is now.
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
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For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
Now I’ll ask you to draw your attention to the statistics in the picture I’ve included as today’s post image. These were sourced from this study. There are actually several more just like it, but what it illustrates is an example of how women’s subconscious will prepare failsafes in the event that the Alpha lover they hope to convert to a Beta provider doesn’t comply with her sexual strategy.
Whether he’s the one that got away, the office husband, or a gym partner, chances are he is the “Plan B” man you fantasize about running away with. Like an insurance policy, this man is the handpicked boyfriend or husband replacement you have on standby once “plan A” starts to break down on you. According to a survey conducted by OnePoll.com, an online market research company, half of women who are married or in relationships have a Plan B man on standby who is “ready and waiting” because of “unfinished business.”
It’s important to pick this apart from the get go here because, like most female written articles that describe unflattering facts about female nature, the narrative must be shifted to be the burden of men. You’ll notice the presumption here is that the ‘Plan A’ lover is always a woman’s preferred choice – thus pre-confirming women’s blamelessness from the outset – and that a ‘Plan B’ should only ever be considered if the ‘Plan A’ man somehow screws up in contenting a woman’s sexual strategy.
The entire article is founded on the principle of Dread – remember, the sort that when men use it are considered evil manipulators? However it should be noted that dread is always an element of any relationship, it’s just that since women’s imperatives are the socially correct ones today, only women can be held blameless in instituting it.
When there’s trouble in paradise, and eventually a break-up, women are left at the starting line again. This means there’s more ladies’ night, late-night rom-com marathons, and wine — lots of wine. However, to avoid playing the field and going through all the bases, women have taken a shortcut to get back to the finish line with a Plan B man. “The saying that ‘the grass isn’t always greener’ clearly isn’t deterring women of today. They understand that anything can happen and are ensuring they have a solid back-up plan should things go sour with their current man,” a spokesman for OnePoll.com told the Daily Mail.
As has been mentioned before the makings of an Alpha Widow generally begin in a woman’s Party Years; during the period during which she is at her SMV peak. And as was mentioned before, Hypergamy is always pragmatic. This Plan B insurance policy strategy is only further evidence of Hypergamy, but it is also pragmatic. Women’s hindbrains know that their SMV is a rapidly decaying asset, so yes that back up plan makes sense. What’s not so obvious in this study is that women also cling to the hope that the Plan B man with whom they consolidated long term security with might someday be replaced by the fantasy of an Alpha she’s widowed herself over.
I think the latter is not only a far more practical reasoning, but since it’s unflattering and exposing of the machinations of Hypergamy, the far more likely use of a ‘Plan B’ alternate.
You can read the rest of the article and pick up on the blatantly entitled male-qualification perspective and a bit more “you better not fuck things up” dread signaling, however, I think the last three stats are the most salient here. At least half of the men involved knew of the Plan B man, 1 in 5 was a friend of his, and 1 in 10 of the Plan B’s had already made an attempt to jump ladders to be intimate with her.
A couple of things make themselves apparent here: in a social order that is made of at least 80% Beta men women can get an ego boost in real time from the default dread they can inspire without really trying. And second, in generation Beta a default form of soft Beta cuckolding is not just known to them, but apparently it’s become normalized for them.
All of this really comes back to, once again, quelling the constant state of internal doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. The Plan B dynamic, and the normalization of it in a feminine centric social order, is yet another play for assurances of security in both the sexual and provisioning aspects of Hypergamy.
Now, so as not to leave you hanging here, I have to end this essay with a bit of actionable advice. I get criticized for outlining the problems very well, but leaving out what a man ought to do with this information.
As always, your first order of business is to be aware that this dynamic is in play. Understand that this Plan B insurance tactic is not just reserved for married men with dead bedrooms. You will likely see variations of it in your dealings with women while you’re single. Any man who’s sexed a girl who depends on a bevy of male orbiters to bolster her self-esteem knows the utility of them. In the next post I’ll be going into detail of how you can leverage the Betaness of most men to elevate your SMV.
Finally, if you are a married man experiencing this Plan B dynamic, you need to do some serious reassessing of your relationship and the status your wife holds you in. Are you one of the 50% of men who know who their wife’s Plan B is? Is he even a friend of yours?
What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so? There will undoubtedly be the predictable comments about how marriage is never worth the effort, and I’ll acknowledge that here first, but are you a victim of endlessly rooting through garbage to reestablish an Alpha impression for your wife that she’s reserved for her Plan B alternate?
Excellent subject. Can’t wait to weigh in once I get some time. Great comments as
always
Liz do you really want to start another flame war? Stop firing shots at me. Smh, it’s crazy how old women are almost always so jealous of young girls. It’s not my fault you are post-wall :/ “Silly girl, you’re the poster child for AF/BB.” I’m in my peak years where I should be fucking alphas but I’ve been abstinent for a year and am getting married. What a poster child -.- Anyway, If by plan B you mean other options then, of course, EVERY girl (and guy!) above average has a plan B. However, I don’t think every girl… Read more »
Sun Wukong on “NO” by Megan Trainor Just looked up the lyrics. I honestly can’t believe women will sing along with that tune and celebrate their GRRL POWER, then turn around and lament about where all the good men have gone. I’m all for women being selective, but songs that celebrate being an unapologetic cunt about it are like songs celebrating being a shitty winner. She’s 22 years old. Do I have to go on? Explain in detail? She’s 22 years old… Just like all the girls that RSD pulls out of bars… Just like all the flakes that YaReally… Read more »
kfg
How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You’re Not Anywhere at All?
Just hand me the pliers…
I’m in my peak years where I should be fucking alphas
So how was Spring Break, dearie? Your own little nasty world?
but I’ve been abstinent for a year
Doesn’t this contradict what you said…last year?
Emily, I’m curious how do you rationalize to yourself why just about everyone in here dislikes you who isn’t a woman older than you.
The “Yer just jealous….” bit can’t get you very far in this place.
idk, marriage prob isn’t for me i mean, strong consider if a kid pops up, buuuuut….otherwise, nah. it’s weird too, people say that chicks start trying to have babies and think about babies at like 27+…. ime the 23-25 demo are the riskiest about trying to get knocked up… virgins stray, party girls stray the difference a lot of times just seems to be situational because when a lot of those ‘virginal’ girls get dropped into an environment where a lot of attractive men are paying them attention, suddenly the switch flips. you just have to let go. lay down… Read more »
Just to add, perhaps dislike is too strong a word.
I don’t dislike you (and I don’t think anyone else does, really).
But disagree is too mild.
because when a lot of those ‘virginal’ girls get dropped into an environment where a lot of attractive men are paying them attention, suddenly the switch flips. Hence my mateguarding requirement. My girls need to mateguard themselves so that it doesn’t just happen. lay down the rules and get ready to walk if those rules get broken That’s what the “Next” button is for. Seriously, unless you have your shit together, it can be difficult to enforce the rules. You have to be ready to walk at the start. You can’t really fake this. Nonverbals must show your authenticity. Probably… Read more »
Looking again at that survey, I started to hear a faint sound. Listen. Like a wheel rotating…
Yes, it’s Delusional Hamster on her wheel
Spin, hamster, spin.
@NBTM – “Who is “you”? or “who am I?” are futile questions. They cannot be considered seriously without prior self denial. Any “definition” of self requires comparison or contrast to other “selves”, expectations, but perceptions, and various aspects of the whole dynamic. When we ask “who am I?”, we digress from “I am”. The person who “knows” himself understands that attempts to define himself or search for his “real self” or “really get to know himself” are in fact digressions away from himself.” Maybe we aren’t disagreeing. For myself, what I ultimately mean by – “Who am I?”, is that… Read more »
@Glenn
“And @NBTM deigns to explain “abundance mentality” with one of his usual word salads, lol. Zzzzz…”
LOL, sez the man who constantly ruminates on his own bile and then regurgitates it in the comments section.
Uncle, you got ways to go before you up your EQ.
You were a dancing monkey for FI in your marriage,
then you became a dancing monkey for MGTOW,
now you are still a dancing money but for TRM.
I hope, someday, you get the difference b/w alpha aggression and beta debilitation.
OP
No word yet on the % of Plan B guys who pump and dump the chick after she jumps.
“but I’ve been abstinent for a year ”
Doesn’t this contradict what you said…last year?
If she doesn’t remember saying it, it didn’t happen. lol
Never understood how the Plan B guys enjoy what they get. To my understanding blowjobs are limited, sex is unimaginative and hence, boring as fuck. You instantly understand if you are her Plan B by the quality of sex that you get and the quality of submissiveness the woman is able to display towards you. Somehow if you are doing the dishes, doing the cooking, doing anything that’s traditionally feminine – the woman sees you as the chick in the relationship. Sure there are women and women… but experience wise – they easily know their place if they see you… Read more »
Does anybody ever feel the same as me? I read some of these blogs and go out into the real world and it’s hard for me to look at women the same way. Often times I find it hard to trust any of them, even the nicest and most seemingly sincere of them. And the more attractive they are the more distrusting they become to me. I wish I could overcome these feelings or learn how to cope with them. I would like to say that I just want to fuck them and that is it but even that alone… Read more »
Whenever I want to understand inter-gender relationship issues, I try to see how the issues fit in the bigger scheme of things, the survival/thriving of the species. A man’s world has to be bigger than that of a woman for hypergamy to be satisfied. So hypergamy needs Patriarchy to be the default social structure. I’d go as far as saying that the Universe is Patriarchal, why? If we take the Chimps and Bonobos as prime examples of respectively Patriarchal and Matriarchal species, we’ll see that Chimps have evolved to cover vast geographical areas with varying degree of resources. Because of… Read more »
Liz
Emily, I’m curious how do you rationalize to yourself why just about everyone in here dislikes you who isn’t a woman older than you.
Liz, I’m curious why you seem to obsess over Emilyslut sometimes…
@MMOnsii – “In all sincerity I do want this “egalatarianism” that Sheryll Sandbergs speaks of”
For whatever it’s worth coming from me, I wouldn’t take any advice from Sandberg wrt to any cogent description of the egalitarian. The egalitarian implies a very high level of self-respect, and an expectation of that in others, which then might possibly enable a mutuality based in mutual respect. Sandberg doesn’t do this as far as I can tell (her tone belies a disrespect of others imo, like she has all the answers and everybody should just listen to her – condescending and contemptuous).
Reality has a bias for complementarity, not egalitarianism.
The egalitarian implies a very high level of self-respect, and an expectation of that in others, which then might possibly enable a mutuality based in mutual respect.
Also fried ice.
The egalitarian implies that women are men with tits and a vaj.
Wild Man is attempting to impose his ethical system on biology to overturn biology, lol.
@ETA – “Putting your foot down and giving orders to women is considered beta. But it is not beta if you do that to serve your mission in life, if a woman’s behavior is threatening your life’s achievement you should do much more than just putting your foot down. Your life is your kingdom, and she’s the guest, she either plays by the rules or gets kicked out. If more did that, you’d have much more docile, loving and caring women.” You make some good points but I don’t think you have this paragraph quite right. It is not so… Read more »
@theasdgamer – “The egalitarian implies that women are men with tits and a vaj.”
What you said there is very very fucking stupid.
@Rollo – “Reality has a bias for complementarity, not egalitarianism.” OK – whatever, depends upon which level of reality you want to see it from – we have already gone around and around with this. There is just no denying that trust and cooperation are real abstract elements in biology and therefore reality. How it works man/woman-wise is an open question, like I have consistently said here, and wondered out-loud about, a whole lot already. MMOnsii brought up the term egalitarian again, and I responded to him within the context of his post. Rollo – if you would prefer for… Read more »
@wild But, to me, the superior (and therefore winning) leadership style is one that is contingent on taking the many perspectives into consideration, and by this method, women have their say too. To me that is the natural way Drop this “to me” sentence lead, assume all your sentences are qualified by a imo You say the leadership style is one that is contingent blah blah, but what the fuck is it? If there is only one leadership style that takes many perspectives into consideration, what the fuck is it and why is it the only one? Why is this… Read more »
A woman who has optimized her Hypergamy will be chasing a man. She will limit her own options in her own mind. Until something happens and that man is no longer her “best” option for optimized hypergamy. The fortunes of man ebb and flow. Very few men are able to maintain a constantly high level of alpha throughout their entire lives, for various reasons, some external. Does the man’s SMV fall fluctuate low enough, long enough to trigger unease and release the woman’s hypergamous instincts? Is the woman’s hypergamy threshold high enough to withstand the fear and temptation? Those are… Read more »
@AR – do you not value self-respect? (If you respond back with something stupid again I will continue to ignore your comments).
Excellent as usual. . . . Somewhat off topic, the one thing I will say I’ve noticed is that, from my perspective, women are entering the epiphany phase earlier than Rollo generally says. I understand women can enter that phase earlier than 28 but so many of these women I encounter I can immediately read are in the epiphany state of regret and/or desperation and looking for something “real.” These are mostly women from 22-25. They ooze epiphany phase. I can’t explain it but from my view it seems they enter this phase earlier. Maybe its an evolutionary development. They… Read more »
@ Wild Man @theasdgamer – “The egalitarian implies that women are men with tits and a vaj.” What you said there is very very fucking stupid. Guess again, alfalfa. Maybe you missed this? “Wild Man is attempting to impose his ethical system on biology to overturn biology.” Any ethical system you create should account for reality, including biology. Testosterone is the key difference between men and women and ethics should account for the testosterone difference between men and women. Egalitarianism fails to account for this difference. Also, respect is based on some asset/achievement/characteristic/attribute, not given away for free in ethical… Read more »
@Wild Man: ” . . . depends upon which level of reality you want to see it from . . .”
You might want to try on the empirical for size.
@Redlight – “If there is only one leadership style that takes many perspectives into consideration, what the fuck is it and why is it the only one? Why is this one the “natural way” and all the others the unnatural way?” Fair enough question. There is not only one leadership style that takes the many perspectives into consideration. I never said that. it’s simple – you look around and find out what everybody is thinking/feeling, as much as you are able. You process this information through the lense of your own convictions, and all this helps you decide what course… Read more »
@kfg- “You might want to try on the empirical for size.” You have already agreed that the property of emergence is a real abstract phenomenon. Argue better.
AR, you might notice the resemblance (but, the helmet is off).
@scribblerg I don’t believe you married any prom queen and I don’t believe you EVER fucked quality women. By your internet persona I can *definitively* tell that you have a weak male psychology. IOW, you are a needy bitch. Very similar to WalaWala who is also a needy bitch and will prove it in almost every post he makes (I just love when he gives us his text game samples, oh god I love that – seven girls “so far this year’ my ass). Same desperate need to prove yourself on a god damned internet forum. My suggestion to you… Read more »
(Apologies for wandering thoughts, I’m just trying to define mental point of origin for myself.) Mental point of origin, status and psychic traps are interesting topics. Women have a pathological status drive derived from men, a want for men to want them more than they want men and the ultimate tool is sexual rejection. It’s an innate and insidious drive that is only limited by their sexual currency, hence the epiphany phase. To not act on this drive is to exist in a terrifying state of status insecurity and psychic rejection (which meant death in early humans). That’s why the… Read more »
@theasdgamer: “Wild Man is attempting to impose his ethical system on biology to overturn biology.” Any ethical system you create should account for reality, including biology. Testosterone is the key difference between men and women and ethics should account for the testosterone difference between men and women. Egalitarianism fails to account for this difference. Also, respect is based on some asset/achievement/characteristic/attribute, not given away for free in ethical systems.” I covered this in the post directed to Rollo above. Otherwise you make some good points about ethics. My point is that trust and cooperation, elements at work within biology, imply… Read more »
@Wild Man: ” You have already agreed that the property of emergence is a real abstract phenomenon.”
No. I have argued that the property of emergence can be modelled abstractly.
Which happens to be a property of the empirical.
” . . . to get a better picture of what is and what is not possible, trust and cooperation-wise, among individuals of different genders.”
That Vanity song made me laugh. Then I remembered she’s dead from her demons. Damn shame.
““but I’ve been abstinent for a year ” Doesn’t this contradict what you said…last year? If she doesn’t remember saying it, it didn’t happen. lol” Find where I said that. I’ve been abstinent since April last year. Liz, the guys here disagree with me and I suppose they dislike (since they dont understand) my relationship with my bf. Thats pretty much it, I think. You on the other hand.. I think only you have it out for me to such a degree that you continually fire shots at me and make the whole comment thread go offtopic. I have no… Read more »
My spider sense tells me that gb hill is trolling for info. lol
” . . . she’s dead from her demons.”
I missed that. I never cared for her music but her, ya know, vanity movie, The Last Dragon, is one of my guilty pleasures. Sho’nuff!
@ Emily
but men also usually have a sidechick, or a plan B chick, or numerous other options. Soooo what does that tell us?
Anyway, once again this all proves that women and men are basically very similar, and the only way to have a stable society is to commit to strict monogamy.
Betas with Oneitis have a sidechick? Darlin’, you’re so precious with your youthful naivete.
There are no men. Just alphas and betas. Of course, betas are invisible to you, so you call the alphas “men”.
In a hair-pulling contest, my money is on Liz, Darlin’.
@gb_hill Hey lover <3 still waiting on your reply to these comments: http://therationalmale.com/2016/03/07/ghosting/comment-page-4/#comment-145489 "Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch. A high IQ one. I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time typing so many excess words when he could be spending that time reaping the rewards of his skill." That's because you come from a value-taking mindset. A lot of poor people can't understand why rich people would get into philanthropy instead of just buying mansions and spending all their money… Read more »
@kfg: Me: depends upon which level of reality you want to see it from You: You might want to try on the empirical for size. Me: You have already agreed that the property of emergence is a real abstract phenomenon You: No. I have argued that the property of emergence can be modelled abstractly. Which happens to be a property of the empirical. kfg – your argument that I am not empirical in my approach, in the current context, sounds circular to me, and in fact it sounds like you are now agreeing that my approach does meet the criteria… Read more »
Wild Person
There is just no denying that trust and cooperation are real abstract elements in biology and therefore reality.
Perhaps this belief is why you never post any Field Reports.
@AR – do you not value self-respect?
It depends.
(If you respond back with something stupid again I will continue to ignore your comments).
Wait, you have not defined “stupid” with a wall of text, yet…
I’ve been abstinent since April last year.
My calendar tells me it is March right now.
When looking for a life partner Don’t – just don’t. Never limit yourself. There is an unending supply of young, supple, tight, compliant women out there – enjoy them and never look back. It really is a question of recognizing your value – no single woman is worth betting your future on her. I have a rotating group of three women that I see regularly, and others that I see as they appear – but the three take care of my needs – the others are icing on the cake. Women are willing to accept that if you make it… Read more »
@Wild Man: The hard form is: if it cannot be quantified, it is not real. Quantification is an abstraction. Planetary orbits being elliptical is an emergent property of the Universal Law of Gravitation. An ellipse can be quantified using analytic geometry. The fact that planetary orbits are elliptical was observed before the formulation of the ULG. This what I mean by abstraction. What you mean by abstraction is airy-fairy philosophical rhetoric with no empirical basis. Upon you first putting forward your ideas about “egalitarian-complimentarian” I noted the philosophical idea of egalitarianism is dependent upon the existence of a “soul,” the… Read more »
@kfg – the blackwidow dynamic – yes – that shit does happen – you will see that bigtime with a BPD woman particularly. But …… perhaps human males don’t actually have to fall prey – male black-widow style. And the analogy isn’t great either, because the power the black-widow-type woman seeks over men isn’t derived from his physical weakness vs. herself, but instead, due to her relative physical weakness, she must rely on deception by way of manipulating the social milieu to obtain her power. So …… redpill knowledge among the human male mitigates for that. Perhaps that allows for… Read more »
How gb_hill sees himself speaking: How everyone else here sees him: @MMOnsii Does anybody ever feel the same as me? I read some of these blogs and go out into the real world and it’s hard for me to look at women the same way. Anger phase, bro. Give it time, you’ll get past it. Those are fuck’n’chuck to plate at best, and that’s OK. The world needs ditch diggers just as much as it needs sluts, and fortunately we’ve got people to fill both roles. You don’t hate ditch diggers for filling their role, so why would you hate… Read more »
Well gb_shill never answered the questions posed on the fake Torrent in fields… so really a low credibility troll. Like Emily.
@kfg: “What you mean by abstraction is airy-fairy philosophical rhetoric with no empirical basis.” No – wrong – trust and cooperation are not airy-fairy philosophical rhetorical concepts, these concepts are abstract elements of the field of biology. Surely you are not arguing against that? (i.e. – no biologist would argue against this). “Put your soul on the table and quantify it for me” The “even-handed” (or egalitarian if you like) approach is contingent on the abstract concept of personal agency, as well as a medium for which it to operate – call that medium consciousness, or self-awareness, or being a… Read more »
” . . . we have succeeded in generating each new generation throughout history . . .”
So have Black Widows.
And we, mankind, are not the emergent property of a group hug. We are the emergent property of leopards feeling a bit peckish.
Q: How do you develop a callus?
A: You irritate the shit out of the skin.
Strength is an emergent property of stress.
” . . . trust and cooperation . . .”
Are quantifiable by game theory. Trust and cooperation are not egalitarianism. Perhaps you need to listen to someone other than Kevin MacDonald for a bit.
“If by “soul” you mean . . .”
By “soul” I mean, wait for it, wait for it . . . that thing that is held to be of equal value in all individuals.
“What is you conception of personal agency?”
Being able to punch you in the nose.
@theasdgamer
“Married women can get an ASD spike after sex, so rapport is often essential right after sex.”
only if you’re doing it right…lol
good luck!
@kfg – the blackwidow dynamic – yes – that shit does happen –
I wonder if such women have high self-respect?
@kfg – “Being able to punch you in the nose.”
Well, OK I’ll give it a rest then! Thanks for the exchange. Have a good evening.
@ kfg
The hard form is: if it cannot be quantified, it is not real. Quantification is an abstraction.
The hard form is: if it cannot be quantified, it is not concrete. Irrational numbers like pi are real, but not concrete. Pi is the ratio of half the circumference of a circle to its radius. Pi cannot be measured, but it can be calculated to a desired precision.
Pardon my intrusion.
Switched to focusing on relocating. Its not feasible for me to move to another country, even thought that would be the ideal thing to do in my current situation. Being able to go from a place that has only 5% of girls I like (if I’m being generous) to one that has virtually 100% would be about like dying and going to heaven. I would get so much work done and it would improve my spirits immensely. Unfortunately I do not have the money to get there right now, and I could not find any volunteer program or the like… Read more »
@ habd
I’ve learned so much from you! The broad from ages past never did apologize. She still puts a little effort into chasing, but she has mostly given up. I’ve had to reexamine my dog training skills. Good topic for a post.
@YaReally
For shits and giggles, I relay this information. Krauser is requesting your e-mail address over at his Twitter. You should contact him. Perhaps even be on his podcast. It would be entertaining and maybe even informative.
Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.
“Rollo…it is time. May I be the first to introduce you to the Cosmic Awareness.”
Wow, it’s like David Icke and the Manoshphere had a love child.
Presumably the Manosphere was drunk and it was 2am sooo….
Wait, lemme get my earbuds back in…
Ok. Rollo, confirmation of open hypergamy, 12:00 high:
http://news.yahoo.com/want-guys-know-non-monogamy-183000758.html?nf=1
Here’s the faux news piece about this issue for those who are interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGbcwUyCKQ
It’s amazing how old-fashioned and conservative the American media is about these kinds of issues (I don’t just mean Fox, but any network). The commentary on a site like this is aeons ahead because many of us don’t have to censor ourselves to make everything seem nice and easily digestible. Honesty is definitely seen as a problem in American culture.
@ Liz – I dislike Emily as much as one can dislike an internet ID. Not that she matters, but her babbling here is insulting to me. I understand that she is a child, but the self righteous/religious nonsense, coupled with a high measure of life ignorance is a bit much. She has a mean and nasty vibe.
-chuckle- @gb_hell.
Trollin’ on the riivvveerrr…..
I smell spam cooking.
Ya, you invoke a keyboard hard-on in this dipshit.
Props to you sir.
I wonder what he spikes his haterade with?
Hey gb, like, we’re immune to outside trolls. But we do need material to use to exercise our scroll wheels.
For shits and giggles, I relay this information. Krauser is requesting your e-mail address over at his Twitter. You should contact him. Perhaps even be on his podcast. It would be entertaining and maybe even informative.
Shit, did I call it or what? Info troller.
gb is onto us. The real secret of The Red Pill is this: as soon as you write about anything on the Internet, it means that whatever it is you’re writing about isn’t real. That’s the real Red Pill. The Matrix is the Internet. Rollo, and everyone else who posts here, are just co-conspirators. We fabricate all these stories because we’re trying to take over the world. Or something like that. He’s still allowed to post here only because other people will ridicule him when he tries to reveal the truth to the public. They’ll call him crazy. A lunatic.… Read more »
@Gamer:
I arrived at the vestibule of an abandoned storefront where I liked to busk on occasion, only to find that someone had scrawled “God is Real” across the window.
So I added, “But Irrational” underneath.
Shall I put you down in the Pythagorean camp? It’s making a comeback among physicists these days, so you wouldn’t be as alone as you might think.
@Wild Man:
Are you not aware of the aphorism that my right to swing my arms ends at your nose?
@Rollo I realize this might not be the perfect opportunity to say this here, regarding the subject, but I felt posting it on old posts would be meaningless. One question I believe men find themselves after experiencing an abundance with women, playing and enjoying the game, is ‘What now?’. Now, this could be coming from a Blue pill perspective of accommodating the Feminine Imperative and ‘settling down’, ‘doing the right thing’ and what not, but if there is something in the male nature that you don’t find in women is that Ideals keep us going. The very blue pill guy… Read more »
@Sun Wukong “The 90/10 split YaReally has been talking about becoming a reality. Women find themselves now wanting the upper 10% of men (because she deserves it; see the aforementioned narcissism), then upon realizing how impossible it is (because they’re all overweight and don’t want to change) they desperately grasp for whatever they can get their hands on.” The sad part is that most of the 5-7s you see out at the bar have fucked/dated a guy that we would all consider like a 9 or 10 in terms of external SMV. Like most of them have snagged one of… Read more »
On a side note I just wanted to break this part by gb_hill down because it’s a good example of some AMOG dynamic stuff: “Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch.” “I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time” “he wouldn’t be such a fat, slovenly little shit.” “Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.” The intention behind this is obviously to get me to go “oh ya, well I’m legit, I’ll… Read more »
Also a lot of naturally alpha guys you meet can’t wrap their head around the idea of a dude who’s externally confident but internally insecure. Like they see you as the external you, so they often don’t realize their wolfcub playfighting prodding at you is triggering insecurities because they just assume since you’re externally cool that you must have always been like that because that’s the world they’ve known. So they’ll often have NO IDEA that you’re getting butthurt when they joke about you not getting laid and if they knew it was legitimately hurting you they wouldn’t do it… Read more »
@ kfg Interesting way to put it. I see God as sometimes showing a rational attribute and sometimes an irrational attribute, but that may simply be due to my Godelian limitation. I rely heavily on empirical methods for my faith. Not that I can control God for experimentation, but I can observe His tracks after He has passed, kind of like observing the wind. The wind is real, but not concrete. “Concrete” deals only with things that have fixed shape. (I applied the wrong attribute before.) Fluids are material, just like solids. Material things are real. No controversy there. Energy… Read more »
“If I were to enter a monoLTR to have kids, I would enter it with the full acceptance that in this 2016 ADD culture where girls have a million options etc etc, it may only last around 10 years and then I’d be single again. Like if it lasts past that, cool that’s an awesome bonus and a situation like Rollo has crafted for himself where he passively stokes dread with his work would help with that, but I would be prepared from the start for her to Eat Pray Love around the 10 year mark and have to deal… Read more »
One more anecdote. Nate. Bikini carwash chick. Engaged to a fighter pilot who met her at the bikini carwash. She moved in with him. Meanwhile, she’s attention whoring and flirting with everyone else, constantly. To the point she was grabbing just about everyone’s sack in public. It couldn’t be more obvious. Mike tried to hint around the subject but eventually just had to tell it to him straight. He walked him through every step of an undeniable argument showing how he was unquestionably being played by a universally-known skank tramp user player bitch. He told this to him just about… Read more »
@Liz “Are you sure this isn’t confirmation bias?” Let’s find out: “Sure AWALT, but women don’t have the same value system. Not everyone is on Tinder. It’s actually a minority of folks who use Tinder.” “Not everyone attention whores on social media or has a history of sluttery” “I think Lee lee and Dragonfly are likely loyal and good people.” Sure, none of you have Tinder…but all of you are hanging out here, confirming my bias. You just aren’t self-aware enough to understand why you’re all here, but the rest of us know. “As the saying goes, watch what a… Read more »
@Liz
“Meanwhile, she’s attention whoring and flirting with everyone else, constantly.”
And what do you think you girls are doing here?
” it may only last around 10 years and then I’d be single again.” I’m only six years in and bored out of my fucking gourd. Way back there in my brain I knew this would happen. To me it isn’t sad, it’s just reality. That being said maybe it suits some guys more than others. My wife is in her mid-thirties and she’s got her former orbiters regularly hitting her up on facebook and linked-in and shit… Pathetic. She really wants me to meet a couple of them. lol. Sure they could be plan b, but it would be… Read more »
I’m here because the topics interest me, Yareally. I am not here to attention whore. I have a vested interest in this subject because I have sons, and my husband is in the military so a lot of these issues are pretty close to home for me, more so than most. I spend a lot of time debating political issues outside the sphere and have gravitated here recently because gender politics are pretty fascinating to me. The vast majority of time, online in military forums and political debate sites, I am just about the only woman there. There are far… Read more »
@gb_hill LOL shots fired @YaReally All of your scenario’s involve jacked dudes at bars and clubs that are idiots with no game which does not paint an accurate picture in reality. These guys are the same ones who are out there every week/weekend in VIP with bottle service throwing money around and just enjoying themselves. They could care less about actually picking up but that’s exactly what attracts, in the end its just pick and choose for them. Now, say we throw in game on top of all this… Who has more potential, given that level of game is equal… Read more »
@Andy “I’m only six years in and bored out of my fucking gourd.” Now imagine if ALL OF SOCIETY was encouraging you to leave her, and you were going to get showered with praise, attention, love, “you go guyyy” thumbs up Likes on your Facebook announcement that you’re divorcing her, you know everyone will take your side and say that she’s the loser and high-five you for escaping her and that’s BEFORE you even consider throwing out a false accusation of emotional/physical abuse and you’re going to cash in huge getting half the assets probably keep the house and the… Read more »
@ YaReally @Liz “Meanwhile, she’s attention whoring and flirting with everyone else, constantly.” And what do you think you girls are doing here? Emily is attention-whoring, but I don’t see Liz and LeeLee doing that. Last year Liz and I flirted, but we knew that doing that was just a little fun, and Liz has since dialed that back because doing that can be used to attack her motives. Liz has two teenage boys and she’s looking for wisdom in rearing them. All girls are broken, like all men, from a Christian perspective. Some girls have social training that helps… Read more »
I have a question: I’ve always had good Game in my relationship until recently, where my girlfriend caught me on a chat app, learning Spanish from native (ladies), I apologised, things have been different. She mentioned “reconnecting” with a friend that she had some “ambiguity with” in the past. At NYE, she was invited with other friends to his place but felt incredibly embarrassed to go as his new GF was there. So I’m now starting to think that this ambiguity was sex. She then had lunch with him a month or so ago with another friend. She said they… Read more »
“or simply may at some point between the ages of 22-90 go through personality/lifestyle changes that make her different from the girl I settled down with lol” lol. Yeah. Like going from the snow white happy pleasant girl that makes the fat lonely dude in the grocery store line fall in love with her in with a 2 minute conversation, and becoming a beaten down negative head case always complaining about how HARD her life is despite the fact that her biggest worry in the world is whether or not there’s going to be too much kale in the fucking… Read more »
@Softek at 11:34p great job on holding frame!…it sounds like you have a front row seat on the FI in play…lol…but you are passing this shit test just fine… you seem to be solid on game stuff, so i don’t have much to add…but just a couple points… re commitment… you didn’t say anything about your other plates, but i’m assuming you have some. you should look into YaReally’s pLTR game plan (it’s in his archive somewhere). it sounds like you could benefit from that, as this seems to be a situ where it would work great…try it if it… Read more »
@Bromeo “All of your scenario’s involve jacked dudes at bars and clubs that are idiots with no game which does not paint an accurate picture in reality. These guys are the same ones who are out there every week/weekend in VIP with bottle service throwing money around and just enjoying themselves. They could care less about actually picking up but that’s exactly what attracts, in the end its just pick and choose for them.” Hit up any nightclub/bar on any given night and you’ll see my scenario plays out vastly more than this mythological rich jacked dude blowing money on… Read more »
I’ve always had good Game in my relationship until recently, where my girlfriend caught me on a chat app, learning Spanish from native (ladies), I apologised, things have been different. Apologizing was a mistake…have you made some promise to not talk to other girls…if so, that was a mistake…have you promised exclusivity? She mentioned “reconnecting” with a friend that she had some “ambiguity with” in the past. At NYE, she was invited with other friends to his place but felt incredibly embarrassed to go as his new GF was there. So I’m now starting to think that this ambiguity was… Read more »
@theasdgamer
Rules but no ultimatum — I get it.
I have a lot of financial obligation towards her, us being students living in the same apartment, thanks to her family, without rent. I think this has inspired a lot of Beta conflict-avoidance behaviour on my part. A job, and some hope of financial independence on my part, is probably necessary
@Gamer: “Both Greek and Hebrew use the same word for “spirit” and “wind”.” It is usually translated that way by Biblical scholars because a more accurate translation has pagan implications. The word means “breath (of life).” In the case of the wind, the breath of a god. The concept of the djinn appears to have arisen from what we now call Dust Devils, which the “breath/wind” of the god gave “spirit.” “To breath life into” was a literal phrase. “So maybe the sun somehow causes seasonal winds.” Uneven heating of the Earth. An emergent property of the Earth being a… Read more »
“Apologizing was a mistake…”
Oh, boy howdy!
YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Culum… You never want to be the rebound guy. The rebound guy always gets used as the emotional tampon for the first guy—regardless of whether he was Alpha or Beta…. Women like to play guys off each other… she tells you first guy was a wimp…pumps up your ego…then next time you do something she doesn’t like she uses beta guy as the model behavior. Girl I was banging last year, HB8, 27, later I realized she was completely insane and a drama queen, but while we were banging things would emerge: she’d be sick and couldn’t… Read more »
Let us briefly dispense with the hundred dollar words and philosophy discussions. Incentives, not love, is what makes the world go ’round. So let’s look at it from a cost benefit level. What’s a woman’s opportunity cost to leaving a relationship? Nowadays it’s darn near zero thanks to hypergamy being publicly accepted. It is harder to cancel a cell phone contract then it is to end a marriage, and that’s not getting into the asset benefit she gets in court. LTRs aren’t much different; while there’s no court mandated payoff ,she still walks away without paying a cost. If she’s… Read more »
@ TD
I have a lot of financial obligation towards her
And the cup is half-full. She has a lot invested in you.
living in the same apartment, thanks to her family
Her family is likely pressuring her to get you to commit. Trad cons pushing FI.
A job, and some hope of financial independence on my part, is probably necessary
Or add a few lionesses to your pride to increase the finances.
And the cup is half-full.
Meaning this is a plus for him?
“Pretty soon . . .”
. . . the price of used Fords would skyrocket, demand for economy model new Fords would increase significantly and BMW would soon find itself little more than a used Ford dealership; before the whole bubble blew up in everyone’s face and Ford picked up BMW from the receivers for pennies on the dollar.
@ kfg It is usually translated that way by Biblical scholars because a more accurate translation has pagan implications. The word means “breath (of life).” In the case of the wind, the breath of a god. Chicken or egg? Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life There’s also 2 Tim with scripture being God-breathed. The concept of the djinn appears to have arisen from what we now call Dust Devils, which the “breath/wind” of the god gave “spirit.” The concept of djinni is fun. “So maybe the… Read more »