Don’t Hate the Beta

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A common refrain I hear from even some well meaning Red Pill aware men is that there is some degree of disdain for the “Beta” man in the sphere. There’s not so much a rejection of apparent Red Pill truths as there is a schoolyard mentality when it comes to characterizing a guy as Alpha or Beta. This is where where a lot of guys turn themselves off to the Red Pill in a community sense.

In a way I suppose it becomes reminiscent of guys having been bullied in their formative years by the guys they now have a mental image of being archetypically “Alpha”. So it follows that concepts like AMOGing or running a ‘Boyfriend Destroyer’ script is distasteful; a lot of men, that is to say the 80%+ Beta men, have likely experienced this disqualification in direct or indirect ways in their youth. Sometimes that may simply be a girl he had his ONEitis sights set on opting for a more Alpha guy after telling him she wasn’t ready for a relationship, or it may be a more direct experience of having sand metaphorically kicked in his face.

Thus it becomes a matter of course to entirely dismiss the nuts & bolts understanding of how abstracts like Alpha and Beta are used in the sphere. The default understanding goes something like this, “Those Red Pillers just hate on Betas to build themselves up” or some other version of this where the Red Pill becomes a Machiavellian free for all at the expense of other, ‘lesser’, men.

It’s either this or the abstractions of Alpha and Beta are reduced to absurd binary interpretations; Alphas become ridiculous ‘douchebag’ parodies and Betas become pathetic, simpering doormats for the world to tread upon. In either case the purpose of reducing these abstracts as such is an effort in dismissing the uncomfortable, as well as evidently observable qualities and truths of the intersexual environment that plays out around us.

For the record I think it’s important for Red Pill men to remain as objective and disinvested from making qualitative assumptions about what constitutes the Alpha and Beta abstractions. I don’t hate, pity or resent Beta men. Neither do I embrace the idea that Alpha archetypes as necessarily positive or negative. For the moment however, I’m going to focus on Beta men.

The Presumption of Control

As I mentioned above, one of the primary dismissals men have when they encounter Red Pill thought is to blow it off because “it’s all just a bunch of hating on Betas.” And that presumption comes only if a guy is willing to consider the abstracts of Alpha and Beta in the first place – most simply don’t want to recognize specific ‘statuses’ or defining characteristics of men or women, and just fall back on the “all is relative, all is subjective” mindset they’ve been conditioned to. People are People, there is no human “nature” so there is no male or female “nature”.

But for the guy who at least accepts the idea of human natures, I can certainly understand the reservations of men whose identities were conditioned to a more Beta role. There’s not much positive to characterize a Beta mindset with beyond the utility that conditioning serves to society and women’s sexual strategy. Betas do in fact get laid; the terms on which, and how their sexuality fits their utilitarian role in women’s Hypergamous plan is the real question.

I was recently asked if I thought Beta men employing Beta Game was a successful strategy in the larger scheme of things. If success means that Beta Game will get him laid, I’m incredulous about it. The presumption is that the Beta man employing that ‘game’ is in some way directing and controlling the outcome of his ‘success’. I’d argue that what he believes is ‘game’ is simply his utility to a woman coming into an optimal window for her necessity of him. So is his ‘strategy’ really successful, or is he simply the best ‘Plan B‘ a woman has available to her while her own SMV decays to the point where he’s her best option?

Is that Beta really in control? Or is he simply situationally useful?

I think a lot of what guys new to the manosphere perceive as Beta hate is simply the presumption of control they believe they should be able to exercise with women. After having been told for the the better part of their lives that the more accommodating and identifying with women they are will lead to them being accepted by women it’s a presumption that this is some means of socially acceptable control for them.

It’s very galling to have men place fault on a guy for things he knows are out of his control. I fully understand the angst and frustration that leads to things like Beta Uprising and men frustrated with intersexual dynamics taking it out on the whole of society before they swallow a bullet themselves.

It essentially amounts to victim blaming; Betas are hapless and hopeless mules brainwashed and indentured to serve not just the Feminine Imperative (which would be galling enough), but also to have the pains and strivings that society demands of them be rewarded with women’s genuine intimate interests focusing on Alpha men.

That sucks.

PUAs telling a guy it’s on him as to why women are boring to him, or uninterested in him sexually, only reinforces that angst. It’s like a pastor telling you that if you’d only prayed harder or more earnestly God would have cured your Mom of cancer. So they hate the Alpha, they hate the PUA, they hate the hotchickswithdouchebags guy, but they also hate women and the social/biological mechanics of the position they’re placed in. It presumes a control that he believes he’s never had, nor ever will.

So there comes a point where that Beta wants, sometimes adamantly insists, for his own burden of performance to be replaced, or at least handicapped, by a woman meeting him half way. This want is rooted in his Blue Pill presumption that people are people and in the equalist notion that women’s hindbrains can (willingly) be overridden when it comes to arousal, attraction and intersexual dynamics. Again, if there is no human nature it should stand to reason that a woman could potentially choose that Beta for all the reasons he’s been conditioned to believe she should choose him for. If there is a female nature, and that nature follows (with some degree of consistency) Red Pill aware truths, then his frustrations are founded on his own lack.

But these guys aren’t Blue Pill oblivious men, they are Red Pill aware. They see the truth and that leads to their awakening to the cruel reality that they’re in. So when these guys are put into that place they have a few choices: Snap and take out themselves and as many others as they can, go isolationist MGTOW and retreat to minimal societal investment, go MRA and impotently try to enact legislation that they think will even the social playing filed from the top down, or they can take a realistic look at themselves and reinvent themselves to better play the Game.

The Burden of Fault

Whether it’s fair or not, by virtue of being a man, you’re going to have to accept your burden of performance. That burden includes your liability of accepting fault even for things that aren’t your fault per se. It’s not your fault that you were born and raised into a feminine-primary social order that conditioned you to be an accommodating utility for it – but irrespective of that, you will be held liable for not complying with it or resisting it. You are a man, you will always be accountable.

Is that fucked up? Yes. So with that in mind it is up to you as a Red Pill aware Man to decide for yourself what is worth your investment. Yes my friend, women can be amazing, interesting vivacious and fun, but they can also be fucked up and stupid and absolutely not worth your time, money and effort. It isn’t your fault they are the way they are, but it is your fault for investing yourself in something you’re not enjoying or profiting by.

With all of the railing against women not being worthwhile one would think that would prompt these men to being indifferent to women – but they aren’t. Even the most ardent MGTOW and hapless Beta Red Pill denier still wants women; he simply wants her in his context and his frame on his terms – and to genuinely want to be a part of all that. There’s nothing wrong with this desire, this is precisely what I advise with regards to Frame control, but the disconnect comes in how men go about establishing a Frame women want to be a part of.

Get Out There

I may debate with other men’s takes on how the importance of looks plays in to a man’s overall Game and appeal, but one thing I won’t argue with is the importance of men putting themselves out there and into situations that will most certainly take them out of their comfort zones.

For almost 20 years I have made a living doing exactly this. I have worked in gaming, liquor and brand development ventures that have put me into venues that range from Goth/Alternative/Hipster sets to LGBT events, to mixing with men and women who have the type of wealth that most people don’t even know exists. My career, family and personal life has been my Red Pill classroom and laboratory for all this, and in all of these contexts I have found a way to enjoy myself and/or learn from these interactions.

One reason I will never look to writing Red Pill books as a career option is because it would remove me from the very source of my observations. Living it is the only way keep learning from it. On my own time, I would very likely prefer to lock myself in my studio and paint or sculpt, or to create something new to work into a brand, often to the exclusion of my wife and family and the many friends I have. I’m a very social guy, but I would probably not feel compelled to head off to a night club or any of the events I involve myself in professionally on a weekly basis.

When I’m doing a promo, I know I’m not going to hook up, so I find enjoyment in watching and learning from what I see going on around me. I can’t drink when I’m on a promo or doing a trade show, so even that can’t be a source enjoyment. So why fucking do it right? I make money at it, and it beats living in a cubicle, but I’d much rather be creating new things, new brands, new ideas than interacting with half-buzzed hipsters who think they’re too cool to be there or obnoxious 40 something divorcés ‘sampling’ vodka and hoping to drink their spinsterhood away.

I enjoy what I do and it helps me help other guys. I put myself out in the wild because it’s part of my job(s), but I honestly enjoy interacting with even the dullards and the drunks. It’s what I invest myself in. That may sound like torture to you, but it’s really contextual. I have friends I’ve made at underground Goth events who would blanch at the thought of what I do at a golf tournament. I’m not saying you need to be a social chameleon, but understand that your social education will always be domain dependent if you stay in the settings that make you the most comfortable.

Don’t Hate the Beta

As I mentioned earlier, I don’t hate Beta men. For a long time in my Blue Pill past I was one of them, and I can fully understand the want to mischaracterize an Alpha mindset in order to preserve a sense of self-worth. Beta men don’t warrant pity or disgust, but rather they need a tough harsh awakening to the reality of the situation they find themselves in.

I don’t think Beta men are hopeless, but they will remain in a state of hopelessness so long as they subscribe to a want of making things easier for their condition rather than improving themselves to better play the Game. That’s hard to hear for most Beta men and I understand the protective need for denial in this, but I know of very few Red Pill men who really despise Beta or Blue Pill men. They despise his indentured state, they despise his willful obliviousness to his conditioned uses. They despise the lengths to which Blue Pill men will go in their hope to be appreciated by the system that made them what they are.

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theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ LM

I live adventure. Turning back to treetop sexxx…

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A Definite Beta Guy
8 years ago

“Build.” A term finding rare usage. Did anyone tell Roosh that an actual foundation was expected of him?

YaReally
YaReally
8 years ago

http://media1.giphy.com/media/NZhO1SEuFmhj2/giphy.gif

This is so cringy. Plz stop.

theasdgamer
8 years ago
theasdgamer
8 years ago

From the “Let’s try this again” file…

@ YaReally

//giphy.com/embed/13I6ny4f2wtrRCvia GIPHY

Don’t spoil it!

A Definite Beta Guy
8 years ago

Goddam I love that movie.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ YaReally

I think that this will work…

Shhhh.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

@theasdgamer “I’ve observed a phenomenon and wondered if you had seen it, too. Two older girls, good friends, one of them (‘A’) throws the other (‘B’) at you and B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is. Maybe A thinks that B needs to be in a relationship and thinks that you are hot and a good match for B.” Yareally , “”Usually this means Girl A wants to fuck you but is taken or otherwise unable to, so she throws Girl B at you hoping that she’ll fuck you and she can live vicariously through Girl B’s… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ keyser

Been hitting the sasparilla a little too hard? lol

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

If Candice Swanepoel went out with Hilary Clinton to a bar and they met Theaassgamer, Candice will be more than happy to throw Hilary to fuck adsgamer.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  keyser Soze

@Ted “If I can’t have some sense of ownership with my wife, what’s the point of marriage at all?” Profound “But ya know what is tragically funny to me? As I said, most women want that feeling of being “owned” by a high value man. However, our current society seems to do everything it can to teach women to NEVER submit to a man, while at the same time doing everything it can to make men overall less appealing.” @dmstcviolets Welcome @Urban samurai “RP awareness gives us greater opportunity to choose who we want to be.” See your free to… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

Yareally, “Ya, in the PUA community we don’t really care about nailing down all these tiny nuances the Manosphere/Rollo are focused on…all we need guys to understand is that “some shit makes girls want to fuck you and some shit makes them repulsed by you” and that’s enough to get them started learning how to be the Alpha Fucks lol We don’t need definitions of Omegas or to really narrow down “is this behavior Alpha?? Did I revert to Beta for 6.4 minutes when I used this slightly different tonality? Am I still Alpha if another Alpha walks in??” Like,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
8 years ago

@tedd lol @ car metaphor “Abuse is one of those subjective kinda things. I suppose part of the compatibility trick between men and women is finding someone that enjoys the kind of abuse you like dishing out. Or, at this point, I’d advise men just broadcast their abusive tendencies and see what comes sniffing.” And this is actually one of those things that you realize is very relevant when you reverse it, and find that this is exactly what abusive women have been doing all along. A woman who is emotionally abusive/vampiric or who has a personality disorder sets bait… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

Abuse a car!
You ruin your car when you abuse your car.
How about abusing your horse and see how far that horse takes you.
Or abuse your dog?
You tough guys! A beta abuse, an alpha DOMINATE.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  keyser Soze

@Forge the sky
“But to women, negative emotions are necessary information about their environment.”

Yes it’s true!!!

“It’s an interesting thought, though. You need to advertise the sorts of ‘abuse’ that come naturally to you – because, in the long run, that part of you will be what drives a woman’s desire for you. Best make sure your sort is the sort that really gets her going.”

Damn it’s part of my exiled emotions already…

Not Born This Morning
8 years ago

Performance can only be a burden if it is considered a requirement rather than a passion or conquest. No man should consider his life’s endeavors to be a requirement for self validation or a burden and certainly not to validate oneself to women. Each man’s life endeavors should be the choice of each particular man, not some woman’s, not a perception of what a man thinks women want, and not what Rollo or anyone else claims. Each man is the captain of his own ship. How else can a man be free to fulfill himself? Any man who embraces his… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
8 years ago

@NBTM I’m not sure why it is, nor is it exactly my business, but you have a persistently negative/borderline paranoid interpretation of other’s actions and viewpoints. This isn’t exactly a kum’ba’ya sorta place, but I don’t quite know who you think you’re educating. Altruism is never to be presumed, but it is often nonetheless found here. With the expectation that the recipient will then take action based upon that altruism, become an actor rather than an object. Approval is nice but doesn’t further those sorts of goals, except as feedback. As I see it, Rollo’s way of describing the burden… Read more »

Rocket
Rocket
8 years ago

wow, pretty divisive discussion. Was supposed to be about how not to hate on betas and all faux-alpha self justification assholes came out and a few exposed themselves. Gonna pick on a couple. FIrst, eadsgamer … you exposed yourself as a fuck-tard of the utmost ill-repute. Dude you totally lost my respect. You’re a fucking dufus dressing in a dance-costume acting as a buffoon. Seriously all those HB20s you are dancing with you are doing so because they know that there is not a chance in a million years you would EVER have the courage to actually “ask”, none the… Read more »

Rocket
Rocket
8 years ago

Next target is YaReally. And like others in the Sphere he is a quandary. Lots of good advice. And lots of bullshit. And some complete fucking garbage that comes out of his mouth … advice that applies to the 1/2 of 1% who happens to a be a Frat-Boy age 24, still in college, never worked a day in his life … hitting on 21 yr old pussy. Yeah, REALLY … I’m talking to you and the RSD bullshit you push. For a late 20s man … none of the garbage you push means shit. Or a 30s man. Or… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  Rocket

@Forged the sky
“masculine congruency”
Yes indeed
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOCS5VfHZ8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HThvUe6GF4k

@rocket
Congratulation on your weekly conquests.

Not Born This Morning
8 years ago

“persistently negative/borderline paranoid interpretation of other’s actions and viewpoints” Is there somthing particularly inaccurate or unrealistic about that interpretation? Should you or anyone else here instantly attack me for any interpretation of Rollos writings that may displease him? If so, why? Does my interpretation threaten you? Is critical thinking only allowed when it supports an altruistic interpretation of what Rollo writes or what you write, or what you prefer to pretend to yourself? Why must performance be considered a burden? Why cannot performance be experienced as a passion? I have always experienced my performance as a passion, not a burden.… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
8 years ago

“As I see it, Rollo’s way of describing the burden of performance is an attempt to describe how the world will view and value your efforts within it.”

So what is more important to you…. your concern of how you think the world “views” you…. or….. how you view the world and what you can get out of it?

Rocket
Rocket
8 years ago

@rugby11ljh … Congratulation on your weekly conquests. Thanks man, glad somebody appreciates honesty. Truth is I’ve gotten laid 100+ times over the last few years. More than any of the fuck tards preaching their crap here. The shit they try to tell you how to become Alpha to get the attention of women works for 1% of the betas trying it. Men here need to be aware of the odds. I know dudes like to give other dudes hope … like Rollo … but there also needs to be realism. As for me, I recently got a sugar baby and… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
8 years ago

Look, NBTM I was hitting this on a kinda meta level before. But you know that understanding how the world will tend to react to your actions (or lack thereof) is actually a useful bit of data which can inform how you channel your passions? I mean, I just don’t see how you perceive these things as being mutually exclusive. Maybe it’s good to not give a shit about many things, but it’s necessary to first know what you’re not giving a shit about. Like what sorts of performance the world values from you. “Should you or anyone else here… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
8 years ago

@keyser Soze “Woman A is a HB4 and she knows theadsgamer is a nut ,and she thinks her friend B who is HB3 is equal to Theaassgamer. As simple as that.” lol I just diagnose based on the information I’m given in the Field Report. He said “B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is”, which, if that’s accurate, is likely the dynamic I described. If he’s misinterpreting that A is interested (which is entirely possible), and she’s actually not then ya it’s more likely what you described. “And why the fuck are you here??” To read your… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
8 years ago

@Forge the Sky “I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, it’s just weird that you’re trying to fight about it” It’s always surreal to me how these guys go so randomly off the rails in their posts. Like it’s never a calm rational discussion it’s always this suddenly escalating “I disagree because such and such, so you can all hate me if you want but I just have to let you know that you’re full of shit and this other stuff you say is full of shit and ALSO SOCIETY IS THIS AND THAT AND WOMEN ARE THIS AND… Read more »

cheupez
8 years ago

@rocket Hahahahaaaa…. Man, why you got to be like that? Can’t a man just be happy fucking his wife? Is it so disgusting to you? Damn… Anyway, I get you. And I understand what you are talking about coz I do it. I have SBs, and some are not even really SBs as such coz they get the room and pay for it and I just show up to take her out and show her a great time in the club and then go to her room and fuck the shit out of her. I don’t buy phones and pads… Read more »

Klem
Klem
8 years ago

Yareally, as usual great great content you are putting out, thanks for changing my life, I’m not afraid to say it! I think you really convinced me to push my boundaries (I had my first threesome this weekend following your script of having the girl open up sexually, it was actually she who recrtuited the other girl in the bar hahaha). You also really showed me the importance of logistics and rational planning (which is totally agaisnt the mainstream view of “oh don’t worry, it will just happens if it is meant to be”). I really feel like with a… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ rocket

Congratulations on paying for pussy, lol.

Yeah, shame all married men who keep their vows. Good show.

I’m hurt. lol

Dance some more for me. I’m entertained.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ Rocket

Pussy is transactional. You pay money for it or you pay with entertainment. Married, single, whatever, you pay to play.

Oh, no, I’m da man, a real man doesn’t pay for pussy.

Bullshit.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

@Rollo Tommassi
“you bear a burden and a responsibility as a man than no woman will never comparatively experience.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/dan-carter/11993945/Dan-Carter-The-day-I-was-tempted-to-leave-he-All-Blacks-and-play-American-Football.html
Nobody can escape even as professionals.

@cheupez
“Any man in his natural state hates weakness to his core.”

@Klem
” It’s just that you dont see us often on here because we’re too busy having fun adventures with hot chicks!”
Nice…
Klem I do hope that experience was amazing.

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
8 years ago

Great article, Rollo. You show, once again, you are the thoughtful, intelligent sector of the manosphere.

We should sympathize with betas but we must be harsh with them. They need tough love. Why?

Betas make women worse. Betas pedistalize women, fill them with false compliments artificially inflating their egos, kiss their asses, spoil them, orbit them. Betas have passed and enforce the laws that make marriage and divorce so lopsided. Betas need to stop. Now.

Betas are the reason American women suck. I’m tempted to say the US is Beta Nation. Clearly, the US is run by betas.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago

““you bear a burden and a responsibility as a man than no woman will ever comparatively experience.”

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

Does Roosh still lives in his dad’s basement?
Where does Yareally lives?

You didn’t answer my question yet Yareally, why are you here when you don’t really care about nailing down all these tiny nuance in the manosphere / Rollo ?
Ps,
If I were you, I’d pay attention to Roosh’s fate.
Yareally,
there are lots of commercials about winning the Lotto, but, not everyone will win.
Ps2,
Theoretically, you can travel to the future too.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ Rocket Last 7 weeks in a row and counting that I’ve fucked her twice a week. That’s all??? You have my pity. I didn’t get to finish responding to you earlier because I had to please a cunt. Mrs. Gamer wanted sex. lollololz Soooo…lifting. I like the feeling I get doing it. And the accomplishment and the testosterone boost. I like dancing…the aesthetics of motion…the smell of women’s perfume…the feel of a woman…female voices…female energy…the riskiness of the approach…the banter…figuring out a woman’s game…chatting with men and women…observing and learning about people…improving my physical and mental agility…keeping my mental-leadership-computer… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

@yareally,
You have ZERO judgment, I mean, you actually respond to a nut like adsgamer!!

Here is the field reports you do :
You go around, you look for HB6 and under and then you fire, and so does the natural nut adsgamer.
Ps,
How many nights you ended up staying at home because you didn’t have the bus fair?

theasdgamer
8 years ago

Keyser, I’m getting tired of living in my basement. I want to move to yours.

theasdgamer
8 years ago
theasdgamer
8 years ago

For all you Haters, there will be a meeting of the Gamer Haters Club at 7 pm tomorrow at the Community Center. Be there full of energy and bring your hate!

SJF
SJF
8 years ago
kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“I’m tempted to say the US is Beta Nation. Clearly, the US is run by betas.”

http://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/regulations-johnson-v-obama.jpg

comment image

And we all know who won at the polls.

Striver
Striver
8 years ago

I got nothing against a dude paying for it. It is all the same to me. YaReally et al are spending 40+ hours a week trying to generate temporary tingles in entitled chicks. How is that any different that doing something else for money, then paying for it? None of the chicks YaReally et al are with love him anyway, they are just in it for the tingles. What’s the dif? Men have to perform. But most men are specialists and are good at, or like to do, only certain things. Some guys get a high from the club scene.… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

@SJF, Thanks SJF, how about giving me your opinion on what Yareally said in this comment thread. Yareally : “Oh I’ll have money by 50. I just focused on poon before my career because I’m smart. I have all the time in the world to earn money, esp once my dick stops working at 50 lol” What do you think of that SJF ? Or how about this confusing comment too? I thought Yareally is 100 focusing on poon not career (when his dick stops working at 50) !? Yareally yesterday : “The career I’m focusing on is 100% unrelated… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
8 years ago

This sniping is entertaining as shit guys. 😛 “This is why RSDJulien’s game works. He understands that “it doesn’t matter if she loves me or hates me, as long as she’s REACTING to me I know I have her” and that women want to experience a FULL range of emotions, not just GOOD emotions, in the same way we don’t just go watch movies about happy people being happy and doing happy things with no conflict/negative emotions.” Gentlemen, your LTR wants to argue with you sometimes. In fact, she may NEED that stimulation to get worked up. Don’t pick needless… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  teddj4g

@Striver
“As a man you need to define yourself and how you want to be.”

Self reliance
Adaptable
Creative
Hard working
Fitness
Game
Living arrangements
Career
Experiences

@Ted
“Women want drama. If they don’t get it, they create it. If you live with her, she’s likely to create it on you.”
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI
Hem nice way to look at it.

SJF
SJF
8 years ago

I am an enthusiast of (and interested in) red pill awareness and game. I think YaReally’s postings are invaluable to me as a monogamous man married for 25 years because game is fungible.

I’ll take any comments I can assimilate except for negative, discouraging comments among guys that should be in the same gang and on the same team.

I’m most at peace, satisfied and happy when I am alone. But I know how to fish well.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1105/loneliness-loneliness-fish-sea-loser-demotivational-posters-1304974665.png

teddj4g
teddj4g
8 years ago

Thinking on my last comment, that applies to most average women. A few guys here are chained to some outliers, and I don’t have a freaking clue how a BPD chic would respond to any of this. I hope to never learn first hand…

SJF
SJF
8 years ago

“This sniping is entertaining as shit guys.”

Consider me un-enthused. Next.

teddj4g
teddj4g
8 years ago

SJF – that was my PC way of saying its starting to look like high school in here. I figured if it was blatantly pointed out, people might get their panties unbunched. These discussion touch raw nerves, and I’m certainly guilty of emotional reactions. But someone pointing it out to me, repeatedly, got me to start paying attention. Still a work in progress, so just ytoassing out a lifeline. Lol

SJF
SJF
8 years ago
theasdgamer
8 years ago

Thinking further on Bachelorocles’ comment–I think that it mostly applies to Blue Pill betas, not to beta men in the manosphere.

@ tedd, SJF

I was slightly offended by Jeff–he probably had an O from putting a shimmy in my Frame. lol The other guys haven’t bothered me at all.

redlight
redlight
8 years ago

Today’s Dear Abby: DEAR ABBY: I am a 28-year-old woman who has decided, after 11 years and 50-plus partners, to become celibate. A couple of friends have attempted to get me to break my vow. These men know how they make me feel, and I am finding it difficult to stay away from them. Although I have stopped spending time with them, I still feel the urge to be with them. So, do you have any advice on how to stay strong? It’s been one month, and I plan on staying this way until I get married. — TRYING TO… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

,
What I find so troubling ? when men in their 40s and 50s take advice from boys in their 20s and 30s.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ Forge

A woman who is emotionally abusive/vampiric or who has a personality disorder sets bait out for the sorts of men ready to be the codependent in her little scheme.

Brilliant observation! She’s a maneater.

Now, how do you recognize those women??? One of them got her claws into me by dancing with me a lot. Now she’s doing it to a man going through a very painful divorce who invests his emotions heavily in a woman. I warned him about what she’s doing, but he won’t listen. Emotionally needy.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

What I find so troubling ? when men in their 40s and 50s take advice from boys in their 20s and 30s.

Let’s deconstruct.

“What I find so troubling is that men who have been out of the single scene for twenty years are taking advice from men who have been active in the single scene for 5 or 10 years.”

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

What I find more more troubling is, when a dancer natural nut like adsgamer escaping his own blog to spend his entire time on someone else’s blog!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
8 years ago

Forge A woman who is emotionally abusive/vampiric or who has a personality disorder sets bait out for the sorts of men ready to be the codependent in her little scheme. ADS Brilliant observation! She’s a maneater. Now, how do you recognize those women??? From small experience, they always are trying to pull a man into their frame, usually via a combination of over the top drama and lies. Not the garden variety “My last boyfriend was a total X-Box addict” or “guys just want one thing and they leave” drama level. More like “Oh, my father is a secret agent… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
8 years ago

Crazy chicks! My favorite subject! (Next to my height insecurity, lol)

Favorite BPD lie ever, “I was an abused child and my dad kept the condoms in my room”

Even had a physcholgist in on it! Lol

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

“Favorite BPD lie ever, “I was an abused child and my dad kept the condoms in my room”

Yikes.

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

I hope this wasn’t crop girl.

Dutchman
Dutchman
8 years ago

“Today’s Dear Abby: DEAR ABBY: I am a 28-year-old woman who has decided, after 11 years and 50-plus partners, to become celibate. A couple of friends have attempted to get me to break my vow. These men know how they make me feel, and I am finding it difficult to stay away from them. Although I have stopped spending time with them, I still feel the urge to be with them. So, do you have any advice on how to stay strong? It’s been one month, and I plan on staying this way until I get married. — TRYING TO… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
8 years ago

Liz,

Lol yes crop girl.

AKA; my wife.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
8 years ago

Some of the recent discussion reminds me of something I once read that was written by a sex worker. Paraphrasing from memory: “Single men should view sex like food. Sometimes you get a meal for free, and it’s very nice — we’re all grateful when that happens, and it’s a nice gesture. But we don’t expect to eat for free all the time. Most of the time we are either paying to eat, like in a restaurant, or making the food for ourselves, at home. Single men should view sex like that.” Of course, that’s skewed because it’s from the… Read more »

gregg
gregg
8 years ago

“Whether it’s fair or not, by virtue of being a man, you’re going to have to accept your burden of performance.” If we are describing “beta” this sentence is the CORE of every beta along with most married men I know. I have to “perform” to be worthy of woman. Mantra. You have NO burden of performance. Dependent men have, married men have, PUA´s have…but you do not! I know too many unemployed loosers fucking around and too many successful overperformed businessmen enslaved by ugly bitches or enjoying just their hand for company, to believe this. Positive masculinity? It is… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago

Don’t hate the beta and don’t bait the hater

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

Honesty is a male virtue, owed to . . . other men who have earned it.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

Shit, I have to perform for my wife??? Wtf, I married her. Bought and paid for. Now I have to do fucking maintenance?

Shit, I have to maintain my car??? Wtf, I have the title. Bought and paid for. Now I have to fucking change the oil, rotate the tires and shit?

Shit, I have to fix my house??? Wtf, I have the deed. Buying it and paying property taxes on it. Now I have to fucking mow the lawn, clean the gutters, and shit?

teddj4g
teddj4g
8 years ago

ASD – strangely enough, part of the Red Pill for me was learning exactly that: that saying “I Do” was actually the beginning of the hard work. I bought into “happily ever after” hook, line, and sinker.

Looking back I was absolutely clueless what I was singing up for. Can’t use that excuse this time.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

When I say “maintenance”, I mean “manage a woman’s emotional chemistry”. https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/managing-your-relationship-with-your-wifegirlfriend/ Gregg, most men end up pandering to the pussy. It’s very unattractive to women. That, however, is not part of expected maintenance as I outline it in my post. A man has to maintain his frame and pursue his mission. That obviates pandering to the pussy. I argue that Dread in the form of options is required. I go out solo on weekend nights. (I make every other Saturday night available to Mrs. Gamer.) I flirt. With Mrs. Gamer and with other women. Options. Dread. If a man… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
8 years ago

When I say “maintenance”, I mean “manage a woman’s emotional chemistry”.

Gregg and others, look at it this way: in any standard relationship, be it short term, long term, married, etc. there’s two people who can manage a woman’s emotional states. Either he can do it, nowadays via Game, or he can let her do it.

Someone’s going to be in charge. If it’s not you, it’s her. And that will make both miserable.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ Anon

or he can let her do it

Hilarious.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

Thank God this place exists. Great post. First 3 pages of comments were awesome. Regarding the original post, for the most part I think I’ve fully transitioned to an Alpha mindset. My only problem now is vacillating between loving women for what they are and being disgusted by what they are. I am only now just starting to understand game and I feel like a man among boys pretty much anywhere I go. Everyone I talk to makes jokes about their wives being the boss… The other day some guy made a reference to the time before women’s suffrage. I… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“First 3 pages of comments were awesome. ”

And then somebody spiked the water or something.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

“Ah, thank you Mr. Adams”

Wow, awesome blog… Nice to see a public figure with some fucking balls. I had no idea.

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

Your advice to stop buying their bullshit is opting to not play the game well. The game will go on whether you like it or not.

So what?

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

Many men say we’ll turn around and one day Masculinity will regain social traction with a renewed Patriarchy . I disagree as frankly 80% of males alive would either find RedPill truth totally preposterous, or genuinely traumatizing on a mental level to process.

I agree that patriarchy isn’t going to be renewed. However, the reason isn’t that the majority of men will either reject, ignore, or fail to comprehend TRP. After all, they have always behaved that way everywhere, even it patriarchies. The patriarchy itself was based on lies, just as the current system.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

@Rollo,
The oligarchy Muslim men in Dubai have more than 4 wives + unknown numbers of sluts to fuck, that leaves the poor Muslim men with no money and no game and no pussy. What left there to do but to rape and kill and go up stairs (with the blessing of the Muslim oligarchy).

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

You have to devote an entire chapter of your life to learning women better than they know themselves. I know life isn’t fair, but I can’t shake the feeling is resentment

Except you don’t actually have to do that. We’re not living in a patriarchy anymore, so society won’t compel you to perform. You don’t have to carry that burden anymore.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

Since the UMC experiences only about a 20% divorce rate, why don’t we see more encouragement for men to aim for UMC status before marrying (hopefully, a high-salaried woman)?

I know, we don’t encourage marriage under marriage 2.0, but men still marry even with the Red Pill.

gregg
gregg
8 years ago

Rollo, you are matried, so I understand that you have to perform otherwise you will be taken to the cleaners for all you have. Married mam is cornered man. therefore James bond and all heroes are presented like single. It is hard to sell married man as anything admirable in view of raw manliness, independence, strenght…even hollywood directors know it. I am just saying that there is a way how to obtain pussy without all that burden od performance. Of course not for you..you have no other option. But for a single guy. You have grear insight..but frankly, married man… Read more »

IAS
IAS
8 years ago

I’m not sure what UMC is, but unmarried men have 0% divorce rate which is even lower 🙂

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
8 years ago

The open Hypergamy is huge in the elite Muslim society, so is women’s self entitlement. But among the poor gameless Muslim beta men, they are faced with women’s entitlement .
Why would an alpha Muslim man who lives in Burj Khalifa (the tallest building in the world)in Dubai become Daesh?

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

There is an aphorism that has become common among MGTOW:

Women are human beings.
Men are human doings.

They state this in the negative sense, that women are held to have innate value, while men are not. Men only have the value of their performance, being accorded no innate value at all.

I would point out, however, that there is actually a world for an organism that is a being, but not a doing:

Vegetable.

kobayashii1681
8 years ago

@gregg: “Of course not for you..you have no other option.”

Rollo having no options…
http://www.unsimilar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Funny_As_Fuck_Mike_Epps.jpg

MikePhil
MikePhil
8 years ago

@SJF – Yes, your remark was spot-on. Women’s don’t really hate Betas, but they disdain them at best and ignore them at worst. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of THAT LOOK, the one designed to let you know how worthless you are in her estimation, you’re not likely to forget it. As for hating on Betas, I don’t. I have true compassion for a guy mired in the same romantic behaviors who thinks once, just this once, all of his supplication and self-neutering will get him the girl. Ever watch Charlie Brown try to kick that football?… Read more »

kobayashii1681
8 years ago

@Rollo: Sensei, in reference to Gregg and BOP….I think what people are having problem with is something you wrote about previously regarding who you are improving for, as a man.

Gregg et al don’t understand that BOP is more to do with we as men, in whatever sphere we enter, experience/people/situations we encounter…It applies everywhere, even in solitude, whether we are doing it for ourselves or women, peers etc…it is omnipresent.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@ IAS

UMC = Upper Middle Class

Chump No More
Chump No More
8 years ago

@Rollo, thanks for linking the Scott Adams blog post, a most excellent read.

Clearly, Moist Robot Filter = Rationalization Hamster

Wondering if Mr. Adams is RP aware… will have to read more of his blog.

kobayashii1681
8 years ago

Meanwhile…
https://www.rt.com/usa/322633-gender-pay-gap-wage-stagnation/

The equalists/fascists continue to fuck with the natural order of things. Gotta love seeing spin occur

redlight
redlight
8 years ago

also read Adams Nov 17 post

gregg
gregg
8 years ago

Ok, from this point of view – life is performance, breathing is performance..you are still performing and there is no difference between man and woman, Both are performing. I can agree with this. But it is not your burden of performance specific to the man, it is life. Do not know a psychopatic, homeless, unemployed guy fucking multiple women..while those women earn money for him and he lives in their apartment? Handled many cases like this when dealing with child and family affairs. Who is performing here? She performs, he manipulates and plays. He plays her emotions like a violin.… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
8 years ago

Figured these would be appreciated here lol:

http://i.imgur.com/oRIWVkk.png

http://i.imgur.com/sLAzvlX.jpg

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

Lol. Some of us woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning for sure. YaReally, I luvs ya man. That goes for you too SJF. And Cave. And ASD. And Anonymous Reader, and KFG….. Aw fuck it, Luv all you guys. But…. Rocket, what happened? I don’t get what’s confusing about Burden of Performance. First time I heard the phrase it made 100% good sense to me, and I understand how it applies/applied in my life. It has nothing to do with pleasing women on the whole. Burden of Performance = I had to learn to drive… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
8 years ago

“YaReally, I luvs ya man.
That goes for you too SJF. And Cave. And ASD. And Anonymous Reader, and KFG….. Aw fuck it, Luv all you guys.”

Awww, thanks blax…no homo….right? Right?! (in all seriousness, thanks)

Great comment. Doesn’t only apply to rocket. Def applies to me too.

Comments like that are why I keep coming back here, almost obsessively, lol.

Fear is a bitch, for damn sure. It’s like a shit test on yourself.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

I don’t have the cool pics like YaReally does, but here’s my basic story… Gamer gets laid off at post 50 y.o….fails at entrepreneurial stuff in 1st year during Great Recession…problems with friends & family…becomes obese…wife goes frigid…Gamer goes into depression…WoW for five years in basement…decides to go on weight-loss/dancing obsession…takes up dancing/hiking/lifting/dieting…loses 70 lbs…builds muscle/strength…develops social skills…(re)learns Game…starts writing a book, but still no income…goes out solo on weekends…stays out incommunicado for 40 hours one time…wife starts giving some sex…lots of insecurity/loyalty tests…wife moves out for three weeks…Gamer tells wife he wants a divorce…wife starts chasing…wife begins to instigate… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago
kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“But it is not your burden of performance specific to the man, it is life.”

The Burden of Performance stems directly from the primal Burden of Survival. You can, of course, opt out, but at the expense of survival.

” . . . between man and woman, Both are performing. I can agree with this. But it is not your burden of performance specific to the man, it is life.”

Isolate a man and a woman, each alone in the woods. Come back in a year. See which one still has life.

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

Anyway, my point is that it’s actually possible that these kids are growing up such that a man acting in his own best interest is simply inconceivable. On the bright side… It cannot possibly get much worse. Can it?

Of course it can. What you’re seeing now is just a relatively early stage of a process that will probably be rather long, with an open matriarchy as a result.

Chump No More
Chump No More
8 years ago

Excellent post, Blax. Especially this part… “Lots of guys are trying to figure many things out. Sex and the acquisition there of is only part of the equation. Guys should try to self improve for themselves. I don’t see anyone here promoting otherwise.” When I first unplugged, I had no true understanding what Frame & MPO was actually about. I went straight to purple-pill bargaining, trying to ‘win’ my lying, cheating STBX back. Predictably, she was luke-warm to my self-improvement, but after a string of personal successes and regaining my self confidence, self respect, *self love*, I had the epiphany… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

” But even the guys who praise paid sex are STILL subject to the burden of performance. They still need to maintain a job with sufficient pay in order to pay their hooker; that’s their burden.”

( Rollo drops mic to floor and strides offstage. Crowd goes wild. )

Guys that want zero burdens in life a) don’t understand ” burden “, and b) don’t care to ever get out of the crib.

All this prostitute talk is making me randy. Time to check out xvideo.

Striver
Striver
8 years ago

As far as performance goes, the beta is still meeting the burden of performance as far as society and his own survival. The problem is that women don’t find that sexy.

Change the high school picture to a guy in a business suit with a briefcase, and a woman also in business dress with an unshaven guy in grubby clothes.

The problem is the (likely increasing) distance between performance required elsewhere in society and performance that women find sexy.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
8 years ago

@asdgamer

“Spoken like a true mangina. Now go sip your girlie wine and slip on your skinny jeans and go drive in your Prius to your yoga class.”

Hilarious!

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
8 years ago

I read earlier someone commenting on older men not pulling younger puss. That’s bullshit. I do it a lot. Last week I was in Austin, I think the bar was called Dogwood, maybe? I can’t remember the name of it. However, I and my group of “older” guys out gamed the younger ones. We all have RSD roots, so good luck with that. 4 RSD dudes verses the “normal” stand against the wall and stare competitors. They HATED it. One got in my way and tried to age shame me for pulling a 21 yr old. By the way, I… Read more »

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