That was then

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Rollo Tomassi confession time: There was a time when I was in my late teens to right before I was 21 when I would’ve easily married one of my first LTR girlfriends. My Beta conditioned state of mind was such then that I would’ve launched headlong into what would surely have been a tragic marriage based on Blue Pill naiveté and changing the course of my life.

I made a special effort to cover the commonalities of this period in what I called the Break Phase in my second book and from the Preventive Medicine series of posts. It’s a dangerous time for young men feminized and conditioned to put women’s imperatives, ambitions and support above their own. This eagerness to please and put off his own future ambitions (the ones he allows himself to entertain) is the result of an acculturation process that prioritizes identification with the feminine and sacrificial supportiveness of any woman’s ambition he may be paired with during these ages.

Often this is the first time in his life he has the real opportunity to prove his dedication to a girlfriend by arranging his life around her goals – goals that are based on her own acculturation of female empowerment and entitlement. Sometimes this drive comes from a young man wanting to out-support the performance his father dismally failed at with his victimized mother, but mostly it comes from a thorough Blue Pill conditioning that assures him the old set of books are the rule set women can be expected to follow.

This is the crux of it; he is at his most eager to please while she is just coming into realizing what her sexual market value peak can leverage for her. Don’t assume that this leveraging is strictly based on securing things for herself, but rather what her impulses are leading her to. The time at which young men are their most ready to be “the perfect boyfriend / husband” is usually when young women want monogamy the least. Young men’s Blue Pill idealism is generally unblemished by having it betrayed at this point.

When I was passing through this time I was ready to suspend, postpone or simply abandon the ambitions I wanted for myself then just for the prospect of securing a girlfriend, wife, LTR, stable and lively source of sex and intimacy.

How could I not? I’d been conditioned my whole life up to that point to believe in the Disney fairytale that had me believe if I could just do more for a woman, be more like a woman, be sensitive to her feelings, and do everything in my very limited power to help her achieve her dreams she would appreciate the effort and the sacrifice and reciprocate with her own genuine love, sex and devotion to me.

Naturally the Blue Pill had convinced me that men and women shared a mutual concept of love and that my burden of performance was only based on how well I could help a woman rise above the horrible injustices that my poisoned gender had ruthlessly perpetrated on womankind in the centuries before I was born.

I’m thankful I was spared from the worst consequences of that delusion. I know too many men today who did just what I would’ve then. Most are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage, with kids from the first or second and still wondering how it went so wrong for them. They all either forced that fantasy to happen for themselves or paired with a girl who simply hadn’t come to understand her SMV during that period before she said “I do.” Almost to the man, these men’s wives went through what I describe in Making Up for Missing Out.

It’s not to say that I didn’t take the sting of rejection during that time, but I’m glad to have been rejected in light of so many men’s experiences for making their Blue Pill dreams come true.

Wait For Me

It’s ironic that the time at which young men are most eager to put on the yoke of what the Blue Pill has conditioned them for is the same time women want it the least. As I mentioned in Dream Killers:

The truth however is that the longer you remain uncommitted, the more opportunities will be available to you. It’s been stated by wiser Men than I that women are dream-killers – and while I agree with this, I’d say this is due more to the man involved, and their own complicity and apathy, than some grand scheme of women.

[…]Women are dream killers. Not because they have an agenda to be so, but because men will all too willingly sacrifice their ambitions for a steady supply of pussy and the responsibilities that women attach to this.

I recently read a forum post from a young man who was lamenting his ‘friend zone’ state with a girl. I had to laugh because I’d heard his ONEitis girl’s exact same words, verbatim, when I was about 19 or 20. She said to him,

“You’re such a great guy, but I’m not ready for a relationship right now. How about this, if neither of us is married when we’re 30 we’ll get married, ok?”

Hearing this negotiation now at 47 I have to laugh sardonically; it’s the same ‘deal’ I’d been offered at 20. At 47 I can see the machinations behind it – “Hey Beta chump, I like your dedication to the Disneyland narrative, and you’ll make for a dutiful and lucrative supporter once I’m 30 and done with the Alphas I really want to fuck while I’m in my prime, so how about you and I get married once I’m ready to finally ‘get it right with the right guy who was there all along’ okay?”

In other words, wait for me and be my Plan B guy just in case, ok?

What makes this unfunny is that at 20, young men want to believe the best of women. They want to believe she really thinks he’s so special she wont be able to not marry him and fulfill his Beta programming at 30,…so long as he’s patient. He wants to believe her earnestness because to do otherwise would be to judge her, and that, he’s been taught, is the worst thing a man can do no matter what choices she makes. What makes it unfunny is he actually considers it as a viable option for his life.

What also makes it unfunny is that on some level of consciousness this negotiation, this very long game, is something a woman pre-plans in her head. She knows at 20 years old that she’ll need her Beta-in-waiting. It’s not serendipity that she’ll find a Beta ready to out-support and out-forgive the other guys of her “crazy mixed up past” or her “journey of self-discovery”, no, she has it planned a decade before. It may not be a conscious acknowledgement at the time, but the expectation is there long before she comes into her SMV peak and the years just before her Epiphany Phase.

Beta Idealists and the Endgame

But at the time, young men want to believe it. There’s a certain satisfaction in the prospect that the ‘happily ever after’ will be fulfilled in the future. Of course during that time it’s vital a man disabuse himself of that fantasy, become Red Pill aware and see the ‘deal‘ for what it really is – an insult to him.

For my part that came from not wanting to wait around and learning how to get laid like I wanted to. That period of my life had some great moments as well as some pit of misery ones, but I learned, I grew; and had that girl actually been unmarried at 30 instead of a divorced single mother of two when I got there, I still wouldn’t have married her.

It’s an insult to a man’s masculine nature because it presumes he’d in any way be an attractive choice for his steadfastness. Any guy who’d even entertain the insult only confirms his Beta, optionless and destitute status to a woman who’s already planning to follow the dictates of her Hypergamy. He’s the sure thing, and his Blue Pill conditioning would convince him that his burden of performance is predicated on his perseverance, when in fact it just verifies him as a guy who Just Doesn’t Get It.

Again from Dream Killers:

I tend to promote the idea that Men should be sexually and emotionally non-exclusive until age 30, but this is a minimal suggestion. I think 35 may even serve better for Men. The importance being that as a Man ages and matures in his career, his ambitions and passions, his personality, his ability to better judge character, his overall understanding of behavior and motivations, etc. he becomes more valuable to the most desirable women and therefore enjoys better opportunity in this respect. Women’s sexual value decreases as they age and it’s at this point the balance tips into the maturing Man’s favor. It’s the Men who realize this early and understand that bettering themselves in the now will pay off better in the future while still enjoying (and learning from) the opportunities that come from being non-exclusive and non-commital make him a Man that women will compete for in the long term.

One of the first things I have to explain to a young guy about the Red Pill is that what he believes is so vitally important to him in the now will be rendered meaningless in only a few years. I can only try to explain to him how his idealism about holding together his now long distance relationship with his high school girlfriend will change and decay, but at this age and with his Blue Pill conditioning it’s very hard to communicate.

The Break Phase is an all or nothing prospect when it comes to helping a young man unplug himself. Unfortunately it usually takes the trauma of a breakup (made all the worse due to his investment in a Blue Pill fantasy) and confronting the reality his girlfriend is experiencing in college and her coming into her peak SMV years.

What he lacks is the insight and experience to fully grasp his situation. One reason the Sandbergian plan for Hypergamy reaches its limit around a woman’s Epiphany Phase is because it’s at this critical point that a man can more or less be expected to be a better judge of a woman’s character – or at least that’s the anxiety that the Wall engenders in women.

This point also coincides with a woman’s SMV decaying, whilst his is on the ascent to being realized. There’s a lot riding for her on a man remaining ignorant of the Game that’s been played for the past decade. Ironically it’s this same ignorance, the one she needs him to retain for so long, that makes him unattractive and ultimately unsuitable as long term prospect she can be aroused by or respect.

Thus we see the infancy of this anxiety in her earlier years when she asks her “perfect boyfriend” to wait for her until she’s ready for him to serve her necessity. She plans ahead with the ending in mind.

 

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SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I’m not at a phase where I feel I can speak or write eloquently. So I overly try to qualify myself to others. I’m somewhere in DABD short of Acceptance.

( Can’t find an emoticon for that on my phone as I sit smoking a cigar on my HB 2-3’s porch in perfect Michigan weather at the farm)

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Thanks, Stuttie, I just posted some more taking down insanity.

funoldguy
funoldguy
6 years ago

Good comments, very good, scribg…agreed on the hatred of the bigots. My mom was one. It’s a cunt trait. Comes from fear. Not to be pitied though. Just mouth-breathing expressed. In the digital world there is little to do but scroll past. In the face to face world…well, we both know how that would end. Vul, you sound like a younger version of me (by about 30 years). Been there, done that, have the tee-shirt. Not at all a ridicule about you. It takes wading through the shit to really know how bad shit can be. As I get closer… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

Hey, Guys, I’m back! Ya’ miss me? Bastards… Anyway, “You’re such a great guy, but I’m not ready for a relationship right now. How about this, if neither of us is married when we’re 30 we’ll get married, ok?” Made me laugh to read this. I had a chick I worked with and was interested in years ago tell me the SAME exact thing, except her age cutoff age was 35. I guess she was really holding out against all odds for PrinceMagicMikeMcMoneyBagsTingleDreamyPants to appear, or she simply was looking to get laid like tile before her clock ran out.… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ Tom

That’s not bad advice generally, but not right for me. South East Asian women don’t really do it for me. That aside the I am not one of the financial success stories that allows for that sort of travel in the first place.

However, what you say about the variance in local markets vs. the greater US market is definitely true. In that case my local market is a potential player’s paradise. If the player in question can adjust his style to the dominant culture.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ rugby

Glad you like Anthem.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Concerning secular patriarchy: “My impulse is that Rollo should have married one of his youthful LTRs; one of the major loves in his life that he had a relationship with before the age of 21, that one of those women is precisely the woman who would have been best for him psychologically and in terms of his moral purpose as a man. Instead he veered off on the wrong track starting at age 21 becoming a “player.” What kind of bullshit is this??!! Fuck me what a piss take! “There is an awful lot of jargon in Rollo’s post making… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Hi Seraph! Figured you’d gone home for a bit. Visiting the fam.

How’s the Ancient of Days? Still cranky as ever on his throne of fucking fire? He never was the same since his son ran off and got those tacky seven wounds. Your cousin Cherub still got eyes for ya? Creepy shit, man. I don’t envy you.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Seraph

PrinceMagicMikeMcMoneyBagsTingleDreamyPants

You forgot Thundercock.

DeNihilist
DeNihilist
6 years ago

Seraph, similar but different. Girl I was dating found me too laid back so moved on. A couple years later playing mixed ball with the new wife against old girlfriends team. I was playing first base at the time. Well OGF gets a blooper into right field and ends up at my bag. We chit chat a bit, then outta the blue she says, “well if I had known you wanted to get married, I wouldn’t have left”. I don’t think she realized that she was never on my list for marriage, she was just a fun fuck for me.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong

Related to our round-table discussion, I was reading this just now:

http://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@SJF What they call “Monk Mode” I call “Most of my adult life” with a bit of the masturbatory stuff thrown in. I just got back from jogging 3 miles, I keep my apartment quite clean, I cook myself a meal from fresh ingredients every evening and some times at lunch, I’m learning German and Japanese currently to take a break from all the non-fiction I’ve been cramming in to my head the past few months, I’ve been in wing chun for 5 years at this point, and I’ve always been regarded as a very funny guy but I never… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I like it Sun. I thought you were doing it well in your life due to your introduction of the round-table discussion topic of the “Value of Time” theme in order for enlightened self interest. I pointed it out because other readers here would benefit. I have wandered off into monk mode in the past 8 years, but without some of the necessary features. I have too much independence, too much time on my hands and I have a vice junk activity that I need to overcome: “Sitting around drinking alcohol then being out of action the next day from… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“Contrarily, my independence and free time are not wasted on internet forums and blogs. They do not interfere with my productivity at all. They make me more productive.”

Ah, what the hell: In other words. Therapy for my weaknesses.

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong, “As I stated up thread, guys around my age and beyond should not only follow the advice to no longer hold LTR as goal, but not even consider it an incidental possibility. The younger guys who learn the rules we’re learning and are still within reasonable age range of women in their prime can leave it on the table as possible, but everything I’ve come to understand about how women operate, how I operate, and population statistics as a whole leaves me certain that there comes a point where a dude needs to write it off completely somewhere… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

I’ve been fakking around with the Blue Pill Broads over at Secular Patriarchy. Great fun! Insanity has been sexualizing, lol. I’m playing along. Hi Insanity! [waves]

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

Jesse Powell translated;

“I married young and my wife is now boring to me and I can’t stand it that other guys get to chew on some of that good stuff out there so I negate their life choices through online shaming and delude myself into thinking that there is only one true, honorable option and I get by by pretending my wife is some girl that I saw on the internet or at the mall.”

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Signor F:

Re Lifting–a man can get too muscled. One of my dancing follows was complaining that I’m very strong and don’t know my own strength. She was a big girl. (I’m not anywhere near overbuilt, but I have to be careful when dancing.) So, be aware.

Spike
Spike
6 years ago

The bitter truth of the Red Pill, Rollo. I see my younger self in this. I was fortunate to keep a so-far intact family, but it wasn’t until I read essays like this that informed me about what was really going on.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Signor Farfalla Just imagine cutting that first outrageous alimony check. Just imagine how disgusted you’d be with yourself. Marriage is one of the few places I differ with Rollo on. I know guys still want to have kids. I totally get that. I also get the desire to try and have an LTR if you meet somebody who might actually be worth doing it with. But first world marriage rules are insane. You’d have to be a complete fucking idiot to get married in the modern climate with those rules, particularly with a RP point of view on female behavior.… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

” it is not a sane thing for you as the man to waste 10 years of your life “waiting for her.” … ” If a woman you really truly love tells you you can revisit things with her when you are both older don’t throw that opportunity away because of wounded pride…” Two quotes from that blog post. It’s not sane to wait for her. But don’t be mad, wait for her cuz you never know. Then the response to the “Saving the Best” post was that the man, remember he made a promise. He has to keep his… Read more »

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@Badpainter
Understood. An Asian 8 will be attractive almost universally but the 6s and 7s can be an acquired taste. As for finances…I’m not privy to your situation but life is cheap in SEA. We’re talking a good middle class lifestyle for 500-1K a month. Tickets can be had for 1K or less.

stuttie
6 years ago

@ koybyashii – no. it’s not just you.

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

Marriage is an institution, that doesn’t work any longer. And when something doesn’t work any longer, you must get rid of it!

Some men say, that they want kids and therefor need to marry.
In my humble opinion, thats Bullshit.

If a man want kid(s), just do it.. No need to marry at all…especially when a man is Red Pill aware.

@ Rollo

I think every man in the world has heared this from women, isn’t?….Lol
And as someone has said it before…yes….it’s really insulting!!!

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@ stuttie – Thanks bruv…I…I…I was losing it there for bit! Hehehe!

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

And theeen, insanity-keeps-biting-herself with shit like this from that pit latrine of a post by ‘Mr’ Powell: “”I see the compassionate words of a grown up man who values love and relationship. Many men who know their own worth and value and the importance of fathers in our culture, chose to raise children that are not their own. Even better, there are some men who perceive all children as their own and invest their time mentoring and leading them.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4bt8yVaAb0 This is what it should read: “I see the deluded soliloquy of a simp who is ego invested in love… Read more »

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

Tom,

Don’t forget China if you’re looking for fun women and a cheap life. They also bring a different aspect; often taller, much whiter and with (obv) a more Northern Asian look, less tropical/exotic and more statuesque, geisha-like. It’s very appealing even if it doesn’t sound that way. They just feel cleaner and more conservative to me than South Asian wild girls. The Chinese girl with the ‘body of a ten year old boy’ canard….oh, man…very funny misread from people who’ve never been. Asian is heaven for pure physical indulgence.

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

asdgamer, I don’t have to worry about getting too beefy. It never happens. I just never eat enough for that issue. SunWukong, Yeah. The marriage laws would make it a no-fly zone even if I really, really wanted kids. Luckily, going child-free doesn’t bother me much at all. I think the worry factor would do me in and even lead me to a very early grave. That’s how much I feel like I’d worry about my own kid. The truth is that there is a huge part of me that didn’t want the responsibility, even if things were 50’s-esque. So… Read more »

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

SunWukong, One more thing; Your point about the unlikelihood of finding a marriageable woman. How true. Ten pounds overweight…NO. I’m just back in Asia indulging my inner Clinton. A heavy spender…NO. A girl who does a 180 once the vows are made…NO. An even slightly demanding harridan….NO. Her libido drops…NO. She looks mediocre nude…NO. How’s that for someone making their demands? I’m like the 190 pound single mother with her list, right? Except I can get my checklist met simply by leaving. Actually with all the thirst and lack of competition, so can that 190 pounder, ridiculously enough. Anyway, I… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . body weight stuff doesn’t keep your body growing. ”

You may never get much more developed than these guys:

http://pccblog.dragondoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Paul_Blog1.jpg

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

Bodyweight is conditioning and adaptation and not nearly as much direct muscular stress. That’s why guys can end up doing 500 pushups in the morning. Imagine how misguided a weightlifter would be to ten sets of 50 on the bench press with, say, 55 pounds? Pushups are no different than doing a ton of 55 pound reps on the bench. Your muscle doesn’t know. There’s not some magical alchemy that goes on with bodyweight work even though so many guys seem to believe so. Yes, it’s exercise and it has its benefits but swapping out progressive resistance for a bunch… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . guys can end up doing 500 pushups in the morning.”

Which is “cardio,” and thus, if your goal is strength training, doing it wrong. Lots of clueless people do things wrong. They are not the standard for what’s right.

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

Right. Too much bodyweight work becomes cardio because the resistance doesn’t go up, only the reps. Therefore, the coordination and conditioning improves but the strength gains are less of a factor. I say that as someone whose third favorite exercise is pullups so I don’t just hate the stuff. I like to knock out some pushups too, just for the heart rate work mostly.

Excalibur
Excalibur
6 years ago

Teens are having less sex, especially boys:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/american-teens-having-less-sex-according-to-study/

I think it’s just more girls focusing on the top guys, with most young guys being left out.

Women would rather share a fraction of a top alpha guy, than have the whole of a beta guy.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . .the resistance doesn’t go up, only the reps.” How many super slow planche pushups can you do? If the answer is 12 or less you haven’t reached your limit yet, and when you do, you can always dump “purity” and add a sack of potatoes. Benching at least your weight is as much of a “weight room trick” as a planche pushup is a “playground trick.” They are just two different strength based skills, one manipulating your body through space, the other manipulating a barbell through space. I think you will find that you spend more… Read more »

DeNihilist
DeNihilist
6 years ago

Excalibur – from the article “In 2013, 44% of teenage girls surveyed said they had experienced sex, compared to 51% in 1988. For teenaged boys, the drop was more dramatic. In 1988, 60% reported they’d had sex compared to only 47% in 2013.” So still more males claiming sex then females, but a bigger drop on the male side. So if we take the customary wisdom that 20% of the guys get 80% of the poon, then the only answer that I see as to why there is still close to half the boys getting banged is – San Fran!… Read more »

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

Bodyweight work is by far an inferior strength training regimen in comparison to progressive resistance regardless of some cool Russian dude’s abs somewhere. I’ve had this argument so many times. Lifting is almost pure strength training. Body work work has a degree of strength training but is equally conditioning, coordination, skill, balance. You sound like everyone I have had this discussion with even down to challenging me on my ability to do some obscure pushup. It is always the same. Do it if you like it but don’t think it puts you on some higher spiritual/minimalist/monastic/zenmaster/ninja/gypsy plane. Just like those… Read more »

DeNihilist
DeNihilist
6 years ago

Signor and KFG, whenever I have watched the Olympics within a mixed group, whenever the men’s gymnastics have been shown, I have literally smelt the quiff permeate the air.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . don’t think it puts you on some higher spiritual/minimalist/monastic/zenmaster/ninja/gypsy plane. ”

I have not only not suggested anything of the kind, but have rather suggested its opposite.

” . . . kettlebell mystics. You have to promise not to do that.”

I use them for moveable bicycle mooring points. They are not entirely worthless.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Excalibur

Exactly like Japan. Considering I have friends just 5-10 years younger than me that have already started completely swearing off women and the non-immigrant population in the US has long since fallen below replacement rates, we seem to be almost keeping pace with them at this point.

Razorwire
Razorwire
6 years ago

The thing with the “wait for me” or “in x years” lie is that it truly does reveal the pervasive dominance of the F.I. Sure, an 18 y/o woman will drop this on her HS beta BF as a kind of preemptive moral relief from confronting her true sexual agenda (alpha fux) but what I find to be worse – through my own experience, is how the lie is not just the cagey maneuvering of a woman in her sexual peak but rather something all women invoke with the full backing of the entire supporting cast. Its not just the… Read more »

Adam Man
6 years ago

I’ve been seeing this picture pop up in my facebook feed: https://www.facebook.com/Allwomenstalk/photos/a.409229183911.185570.292279708911/10153959013468912/?type=1&theater (If you can’t see it, it says “Nothing makes a woman more BEAUTIFUL than the BELIEF that she is beautiful.” – Sophia Lauren) Do women really believe this? Apparently yes. If not for Rollo and Dalrock, I would have had no idea that intelligent (I’m convinced there are many intelligent women) women actually believe this. Imagine if a man wrote this: “Nothing makes a man more HANDSOME than the BELIEF that he is handsome.” – Boba Fett For those of you who are married, show this to your… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

“Experts” can’t explain the decline in Vegas weddings…

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-weddings-20150723-story.html

This is why I love the modern mass media, they’re like a comedy show where the producers don’t realize that they’re not in on the joke.

Vulpine
Vulpine
6 years ago

Yesterday, I “saw a man about a tractor”. Literally. On the way, I had the thought that the tractor I was about to look at, and consider investing in, was far more important of an investment in my life than investing in a woman. It started, and tried really hard to run, then quit. I was initially excited, as it didn’t smoke at all. But, the dude couldn’t get it started again. “When it runs, it runs great!” So, I gave it a critical looking-over: missing body panels/lids, rusted spark plugs, belts coming apart and rubbing through spark plug wires,… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . .the tractor I was about to look at, and consider investing in, was far more important of an investment in my life than investing in a woman.”

There’s the old joke:

Looking for a woman with a tractor. Please send picture. Of the tractor.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Razorwire And the normalcy whitewashed over this is astounding, to the point in which a man might hear his own mother instructing him to accept it for all kinds of reasons and rationales that pave over his own experiences and observations. Yep. That was my mother. In middle school when the hormones kicked in but girls ignored me: “It’ll change in high school”. In high school when the girls kept ignoring me: “It’ll change in college”. In college when the girls kept ignoring me: “It’ll change when you hit 30 and have your career established”. That’s when I started hearing… Read more »

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

^ Tractor post/analogy was awesome!

Chump No More
Chump No More
6 years ago

Pure gold, @Vulpine… best comment of the week!

Vulpine
Vulpine
6 years ago

funoldguy,

Lots of shit to wade through, indeed, and I hate that T-shirt.

30 years from now?

Wow.

It’s scary to consider if I’ll survive to be in a position such as yours, funoldguy, given the storm clouds on the horizon.

Vulpine
Vulpine
6 years ago

KFG,

I’ve heard that joke with “fishing boat”, too.

Razorwire
Razorwire
6 years ago

Sun, The “some day women will notice your greatness” is indeed part of the long-game lie, but it was when my mother turned on me for not manning-up and proposing to a 35 y/o GF that I knew I was truly alone in confronting this lie. Turned out that deep down she saw it as my duty to make this woman “happy” and in not offering marriage I was basically abusing this poor woman because: love. Which is quite telling, really. A woman who supposedly has her son’s best interest at heart would still see a woman’s “love” as needing… Read more »

Razorwire
Razorwire
6 years ago

The vulpine tractor. Nicely put. It reminds me of what women in fits of Plan B find to be so terribly agitating: a man’s preference for his own pursuits – or even solitude, over that of their company. They all want the most interesting man, as long as he doesn’t need to pursue those interests on her watch. I haven’t operated a tractor since I was a kid but if given the chance I’d take that over a roll in the hay with 99% of the women I encounter (1% sample error.) Yep, that makes me “gay.” Just like I… Read more »

spiff
spiff
6 years ago
kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Honey, what was that thing that I like to do?”

http://attachment.van698.com/forum/201411/16/000643xp22tre3p7z04pr2.gif

spiff
spiff
6 years ago
spiff
spiff
6 years ago
spiff
spiff
6 years ago

Last one:

http://i.imgur.com/SwltEOn.jpg

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Well, I think that issue is settled. Blondes are cheating sluts. Thanks spiff.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
6 years ago

For those of you just tuning into this thread, the hilarity in the comment section over at Sexular Cuckoldriarchy’s blistering Rollo Tomassi takedown is a red-tinged roll call of all the misogynistic, spiteful, misled, BrokenMan® TRM regulars (and our ‘beloved’ Insanity™ doing her patented dog and pony show). If you haven’t joined in on the fun…go have a poke at the straw man.

https://secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/rollo-tomassis-mistake-in-shunning-the-idealism-and-women-of-his-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-1722

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@The Diplomat

If you haven’t joined in on the fun…go have a poke at the straw man.

And give them the traffic/attention they desire? No thanks. Attention whores gonna whore.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
6 years ago

Sun. Seriously, man. How can you resist?

I couldn’t.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

There are two rules on which I meditate almost constantly when I’m not actively working on something that makes me money:

1. Don’t wish it were easier. Wish you were better.

2. If it brings you no benefit, then it deserves none of your time.

Guess which rule that falls under and you’ll see how I can resist.

On that note, I’m off to wing chun practice.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

I’m down to TRM and a smattering of Vox Popoli (with a smattering of tongue biting). Have fun over there if it suits you, but it isn’t for me.

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

I love the Sophia Loren quote about believing oneself to be beautiful when she was a one in a billion exotic freak of tits, lips, cheekbones and eyes.

Where’s Michael Jordan telling people that if they believe they have a 48 inch vertical jump then they will have a 48 inch vertical jump?

Signor Farfalla
Signor Farfalla
6 years ago

@kfg, Okay, so you’re not a bodyweight mystic then but you must admit that a lot of bodyweight guys have a thinly veiled or not thinly veiled supremacy complex over the meatheads in the weight room. While some guido benches and stares in the mirror, the bodyweight guy is out doing his planks in the forest. I can see why it’s the cooler, more spiritual thing but exercise is exercise at the end of the day. I tried it myself, cutting down to daily pushups, pullups and windsprints. Hershel-esque. No situps though. I liked the idea of; saving money, working… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . you must admit that a lot of bodyweight guys have a thinly veiled or not thinly veiled supremacy complex over the meatheads in the weight room.” Sure. And a lot of guys in the weight room are quite vocal in that they believe that if it’s not iron, it’s crap. My position is that there is value in both. Throw in some basic tumbling skills and you’ve really got something that’ll get you through hard times relatively easy. And you’ve got to remember that a lot of guys are starting out at 5′ 10″, 130 lbs.… Read more »

blogster
blogster
6 years ago

Sun wukong “Men have it coming from every direction, even from the women in his family who you’d think would look out for his best interests. Instead, it’s all about propagating the female world view. Solipsism so powerful it overrides even the nurturing instincts for their own male offspring.” So true, I’ve come to realise this about my own mother. When I was extremely jacked (225 pounds, benching and squatting 280 in sets of 10) with an ass that showed i did squats, i was too big. when I lost about 40 pounds she was much happier; i suspect because… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
6 years ago

True enough. But if one single lurker on SP’s site is swayed to see through the BS even a little bit, it was worth my time to post a Swiftian comment on there.

Bachelorcles
Bachelorcles
6 years ago

Dear men: when you’re in your 20s. women have tremendous power. As you ease into your mid to late 30’s you will note a reversal of fortune. And if you keep yourself in shape, work hard — a successful professional man in a good shape in his 40s has the SMV equivalent of a 22 year old HB 9. Trust me.

Great, honest piece Rollo.

cheupez
6 years ago

Tractor. Lolest! Kudos @ Vulpine

Me too. I love me an expensive old tractor too, one that doesn’t work and needs a lot of tender care, in fact one might even throw in a couple of some very expensive tiny lawn mowers from an undisclosed manufacturer, that need a lot of tender care too…

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6 years ago

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bnon
bnon
6 years ago

Bachelorcles: I agree with “female market value peaks in around 20 and mens about 10 years later”, but I don’t quite understand the “tables turn” idea. As a men, you’re not continuing to be interested in girls your own age. If at 36 my market value is much higher than those of 36 year old women, it’s not that the “tables turned”. From the fertility-biology alone, the 20-somethings are still more interesting than the 36 year olds.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@bnon Always realize that MMV and SMV are different. A dude’s SMV is maxed in his mid-late 30s, but his MMV to an SMV maxed woman is most likely not since she gives no fucks about committing at that time. You can ONS an SMV maxed woman, but you’re going to have a helluva time LTRing her regardless of your age and SMV. She still thinks she’s always going to have her choice of men, so why settle? Tables aren’t turned so much as you’re now on even footing with an SMV maxed woman in the SMP. She still isn’t… Read more »

Achilles
6 years ago

Hi, I’d really appreciate some advice for my situation as I have been torn inside out for the past 6 months since my red pill awakening and need to make a decision once and for all. i’ll try and keep it short!! I’m about to turn 35, wife is 37 and we met when 20/22. still growing out of childhood shyness, i’d only fucked 5 women by that age, she ‘said’ her number was 8. Sex was amazing and I fell hard for her but after a ‘fairytale’ 6 months I was starting to obsess over a guy in our… Read more »

Bluepillprofessor
Bluepillprofessor
6 years ago

Are women really that clueless?

Yes.

@Achiles: You need to own your shit. You are married with several kids and you sound like a hypergamous woman looking to trade up.

The Red Pill is bitter and the Anger Stage is NOT the place to be thinking about ending your marriage. There will be plenty of time in 6 months for that discussion.

David
David
6 years ago

Regarding “M Maxim 35” that no girl will be like your mother: that is really the main pill to swallow, so it should be stated more. Once you stop with Oedipal behavior toward girls and start with rough and strategic behavior, your beta completely vanishes. It is the root of all beta behavior, at least it was to me. After that, no more confusion.

But it took me a long time because nobody said that clearly to me, and I did have a close bond with my mother. I figured it out eventually.

David
David
6 years ago

@Achilles I agree with BPP. OK her notch count is roughly as high as yours and she lied about it. This was a long time ago. She got pregnant only for you, and your 3 kids are not shams, they are your own children. The other stuff really doesn’t matter at this point, she thinks about you. And three young people are depending on you for their very lives. You’ve won, you have 3 good kids and a dutiful wife who wasn’t a saint 10 or more years ago. She’s not gonna divorce you from all accounts, you’re even past… Read more »

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6 years ago

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WestCoaster
WestCoaster
6 years ago

Truly a great story. I almost made the plunge like Rollo did at 21/22, but my rather homely college girlfriend dumped me. Being of Beta mind-set, I thought the world was ending. But a few weeks later I dated a smoking hot woman I was working with downtown. Quickly I forgot about my mean-spirited college girlfriend. My ex-gf’s response to my friends? “I thought he’d wait awhile before he started dating.” I guess she was really pissed off that this woman was smoking hot. All of my friends who pulled the trigger at that age are either in bad marriages… Read more »

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Norway
Norway
6 years ago

“You’re such a great guy, but I’m not ready for a relationship right now. How about this, if neither of us is married when we’re 30 we’ll get married, ok?” It seems this is a popular choice of words of the female collective mind. I heard the exact same words verbatim from a woman when I was in in my early twenties. She added one twist when I asked her to elaborate. She said I was the kind of guy she wanted to end up with but not right now. In other words there were other men she would rather… Read more »

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