This is now

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Razorwire had another great comment about the “wait for me at 30” social convention that was this week’s topic (emphasis mine):

The thing with the “wait for me” or “in x years” lie is that it truly does reveal the pervasive dominance of the Feminine Imperative (FI). Sure, an 18 y/o woman will drop this on her high school beta BF as a kind of preemptive moral relief from confronting her true sexual agenda (alpha fux) but what I find to be worse – through my own experience, is how the lie is not just the cagey maneuvering of a woman in her sexual peak but rather something all women invoke with the full backing of the entire supporting cast.

Its not just the individual woman dropping this pretty little lie, but it is the how the lie is supported by the entire culture and propagated such that this little lie becomes the big lie, which is that her sexual strategy must remain paramount, her magical journey of womanhood must not be subordinated or impeded in any way by a man – or men, or even her own choices.

So even by 18, she has learned early and often that these little lies are not like most lies; they don’t lurk about like so many contingent liabilities, or like writing bad cheques about town that will soon enough come back to bite her. No they are more like swiping her EBT card, fully backed by the FI.

Its not coming out of her moral account, so the weight of these lies are carried by the recipient. And not only is he expected to accept this charge but he is actually paying for it on the other end as well through the various extractions and taxes the FI upholds.

It is at this other end where the little lie turns big; it becomes too hard to ignore, when the other Jimmy Choo falls. When a man actually gets to that point “in ten years” and has watched as the truth reveals itself over and over in the interim he is still expected to accept her EBT without hesitation.

He is again asked to accept the lie that “those mistakes/other men/experiences made her who she is today” that she is “finally ready” and thus he should see this as equity accrued to him.

The lie on the font end is a lesson learned. But it is the fact that the lie is perpetuated over all of those years and choices, only to be eventually re-heated and served up lukewarm when she decides to change lanes that is so damaging.

And the normalcy whitewashed over this is astounding, to the point in which a man might hear his own mother instructing him to accept it for all kinds of reasons and rationales that pave over his own experiences and observations. He might also get his ear bent by his dutiful beta husband friends, parroting similar platitudes of man-up. It can be a solitary place for a man, residing at the other end of the lie.

There’s more to the comment, but this was the grist of it I wanted to address. I’ll confess I had a hunch that if I let the comment thread go on long enough some good brother would scoop me on this next post. Razorwire didn’t disappoint.

More so, the very next comment by Adam Man added some more cement to the mix:

I’ve been seeing this picture pop up in my facebook feed

beautiful

Do women really believe this? Apparently yes. If not for Rollo and Dalrock, I would have had no idea that intelligent (I’m convinced there are many intelligent women) women actually believe this.

Are women really that clueless? I feel like I need to ask this every month to be reminded that there are many many clueless people out there, but stuff like the picture above is absurd.

Tropes and memes like this are only absurd if, as a man, you haven’t accepted the most salient part (bolded) of what Razorwire observed in his comment, her sexual strategy must remain paramount. This is the essence of the feminine primacy I’ve explained in countless posts, but it bears repeating that this primacy is firmly root in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:

The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

Not to belabor it yet again, but it will also serve my point here to restate the Sandbergian declaration of Open Hypergamy as well:

“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”

― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead

I’m contrasting these two points to illustrate the circumstances men will find themselves in when they arrive at the point at which women will find themselves the most necessitous in consolidating their own sexual strategy (Hypergamy) in the long term.

I mentioned in That was then that the Break Phase is a very critical point for a young man’s life-decision making due to his Blue Pill conditioning and Disney naiveté about where he ought to serve women’s interests best. Naturally this is a precarious time because, for the majority, those young men are predisposed to sublimate their own ambitions and sacrifice their best interest because they cling to a Blue Pill hope; a hope that those sacrifices will engender a young woman’s attraction and she’ll reciprocate with something like his misguided concept of a mutual love.

The Plan

That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.

The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.

She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.

As I’ve outline many times, women between the ages of 29 and 31 will enter the Epiphany Phase in which the rationalizations of their 20’s Sandbergian plan sexual priorities conflicts with the provisioning necessity and parental investment needs necessary for her long term security.

For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.

For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.

You’ll notice I’ve bolded “over time” in Sandberg’s quote. This is an important, and not so subtle, detail to consider in the selling of a mandated and feminine-correct strategy to men.

The plan was never to find a man who “wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.” The plan was to create and ensure a Beta provider is waiting for her when she needs him most – one pre-whipped and pre-willing to forgive the indiscretions of her fucking the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys, on her ‘journey of self-discovery’.

To effect this, not only must he be convicted of his righteous purpose in that plan, he’s got to be convinced that when he arrives at this juncture in life “nothing is sexier” than him. His Beta, Blue Pill conditioned ignorance about his true role in this planning is of the highest importance.

In prior generations, the ones before the sexual revolution, the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies could be balanced in both sexes mutually compromising those strategies to ensure the complementary benefit of both men and women. Those days are no more. They’ve been replaced with men’s planned (subconscious and aware) abdication to women’s Hypergamous sexual strategy. That compromise in strategy has been replaced with women’s solipsistic expectation that men will, by default and by right, abandon their own sexual strategy and sublimate their own self-interests to ensure the strategies and interests of women.

Red Pill awareness and contingent strategies on men’s part are the only recourse to this ‘plan’.

190 comments

  1. over time, nothing is sexier.

    Sexier, in a providing resources way, like Trump closing a deal was “sexy” or getting a promotion is “sexy”. Not sexy in PIV way–that would be yucky.

  2. OK, I’ll be first. Remember this song from the Eagles?
    __________________________________________

    Well, I heard some people talkin’ just the other day
    And they said you were gonna put me on a shelf
    But let me tell you I got some news for you
    And you’ll soon find out it’s true
    And then you’ll have to eat your lunch all by yourself
    ‘Cause I’m already gone
    And I’m feelin’ strong
    I will sing this vict’ry song, woo, hoo, hoo, woo, hoo, hoo

    The letter that you wrote me made me stop and wonder why
    But I guess you felt like you had to set things right
    Just remember this, my girl, when you look up in the sky
    You can see the stars and still not see the light (that’s right)

    And I’m already gone
    And I’m feelin’ strong
    I will sing this vict’ry song, woo, hoo, hoo, woo, hoo, hoo

    Well I know it wasn’t you who held me down
    Heaven knows it wasn’t you who set me free
    So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
    And we never even know we have the key
    ___________________________________

    And not to follow a quote with a quote, but while I’m at it:

    “It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.” – Voltaire

    I went back and read some of the comments on the Secular Patriarchy forum, and I literally can’t believe the writer’s mental gymnastics necessary for convincing himself that being someone’s worst case mating scenario is somehow laudable and masculine. How anyone, no matter how luckless, would accept being slotted into the Plan D box for possible later use is almost unbelievable. Best guess, he’s fully supporting some bad boy’s leavings and trying to convince himself he’s the better man.

    And the worst part of it is, they’re not really doing it to you. You’re allowing them to do it TO you with YOUR full consent and participation. That’s the real trap; you’ve convince yourself that THIS is your only option, and you’d better be appreciative for the leftover scraps you got.

    If there ever was a clear call for growing a pair and hitting the road for better options, this would be it.

  3. Yes, elective cuckoldry is the noblest of all the Betamanly Arts and a “good” man’s sacred duty.

    So lean in! Trust me, gents—in time, nothing is sexier to a man than the smell of two hundred alpha cocks on his bride.

  4. Beware the changing “type”:

    “Julia, a 27-year-old Philadelphia paralegal, says, “I had a definite type: ski bums and musicians who waited tables to make money. They were sexy as hell, but I was expected to pay for most dates and they’d be reluctant to ask me out for New Year’s, never mind the rest of my life. I was miserable. Something had to change.” That “something” was her type: The next time Julia went to a singles dance, she tried something new. Instead of seeking out a drummer with six-pack abs, she met an accountant. He may have lacked a hard body, but he did have a loving heart and a steady job and, most importantly, the urge to merge. They’re planning a wedding.”

    http://www.today.com/health/4-signs-mans-ready-marriage-4-hes-not-I283721

    Enjoy your divorce in ten years, betaboy …

  5. My eldest son, 18,years old.next month, after becoming RP aware, decided that asshole.game is his best option to deal with the crazy bitches. I am so glad.

  6. Being aware of the Female Imperative and it’s medial reinforcement is actually a fun ideology. I’m looking for it in movies for example. For example, the Chris Pratt character (age 36) in Jurassic World, who trains raptors and literally labels himself the alpha (among the raptors) is a Indiana Jones clone. The woman in Jurassic park is a stuck up manager (age 34) akin to the blonde in the second film. And the relationship is the nagging kind of flirting that Jones has with each woman. But while 80’s Indiana Jones was banging a different girl in each of the movies, the raptor trainer has the Speed ending with the girl: “Now at the end of the adventure, now that we’ve experienced this wild ride, we ought to be a couple.” I see no way now that the next movie doesn’t have both actors, hence having them as a couple, hence having them eventually making babies. And it’s about time for her!

    Btw., I’ve stumbled upon MacDowells daughters (also going into filming now), googled MacDowells past and found a cliche’d story: male model AF, babies … then rather contemplating the business man.

  7. I think Sandberg spilled the beans with that quote. Had I not found TRM, I would probably go apeshit MGTOW just by reading it. Can blue pill conditioning be so strong to the point of one not getting it with such an utterly obvious statement?

  8. The lie on the font end is a lesson learned. But it is the fact that the lie is perpetuated over all of those years and choices, only to be eventually re-heated and served up lukewarm when she decides to change lanes that is so damaging.

    I actually disagree with this point. Both lies are equally damaging. The significant portion of damage from the first lie rests inside the women casting the lie. She is ignorant of it, true, but the damage is done when she convinces herself of the nonsense that her sexual selection process is in any way divine. Women at their sexual peak are ignorant, plain ignorant of the true value of men and masculinity. Society doesn’t actually manage to maintain population levels with women responsible for selecting mates at their sexual peak, our demographic data seems to back me up here.

    So yes, the lie that women tell themselves, that their sexual selection process is divine and unquestionable is a tremendously destructive lie in both cases. The fastest way to reverse the tide that is now flooding in is to magically convince every 18 year old girl in the developed world that she’s a f-ing moron w.r.t. picking a man (and she is).

  9. I’m trying to relate the post picture to the implied meaning, finding difficulty as always. She’s standing in a pool of water, holding a sailboat among a half-dozen other identical sailboats… Sailboats are often metaphors for lifelong dreams… Anyone?

  10. I’ve wondering about the beta spinning plates:

    he dates 28-35 single
    claims he is looking for his soulmate
    makes romantic gestures
    talks about wanting the house, picket fence, children
    pays for everything
    takes the 6+ dates to get sex
    continues until sex fades, being told to live together, or found out
    is doing this the same time with multiple women and always starting a new one

  11. Jeremy, the amygdala doesn’t lie. The fact is, women are brilliant at selecting alphas just like men are brilliant at selecting beauty.

    The problem is that Pedestalization has skewed the SMP so far in favor of alphas that betas are left with slim pickings. If betas strike back effectively against Pedestalization, then the skewage can be treated.

  12. They are evolved to pick out alphas, true, but “alpha” is not the best societal value and only speaks to the portions of masculinity that satisfy reproductive-age women.

    The converse is allowing teenage boys to pick their future wives. They would only pick hourglass-shaped women with big tits, completely ignoring the potential value a well-adjusted woman can contribute in her role as a wife/mother.

  13. The problem is Pedestalization, not who is picking. If you keep Pedestalization and let parents arrange marriages, women will still cuckold betas. Pedestalization skews the SMP and the skewage causes massive societal stink; the skewage has to be treated.

  14. You know, I found the RP about a year and a half ago. I’ve been working on applying things to my life, and for the most part things are going well.

    Most of the articles though are about what to avoid, what to look out for, or how to think about women when you’re in your 20’s. The difficult thing is now being aware and seeing it all around you and being married.

    I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she dated the assholes, or had to find herself. Now I’m like, shit, I’m the nice guy she married. I don’t want to be that guy.
    I was the asshole in college, what the fuck happened to me and how do I fix it quick? But there is no quick, once you’re in this it’s an uphill battle, a necessary one, but an uphill battle none the less.

    I read the Rational Male, I’ve read a number of the books, but it get’s tricky when you’re already in it.

    My wife isn’t a terrible person, and I can see firsthand how all this applies to her, but she isn’t malicious. This is subconscious shit reinforced by all their surroundings. Hell, my own betaization was subconscious shit reinforced by my surroundings.

    I can say without a doubt that if your’e not already in a LTR or married and you’re younger than 30-35 don’t get in one. Read this stuff, make yourself a better man, fuck around and “find yourself” then you can get into a LTR, because it’s much harder to take control of a ship and right the course with your now demoted wife psychologically kicking and screaming than it is to captain a boat from the get go and then find a hot, willing first mate along the way when you’re already a seasoned salty captain.

  15. @theasdgamer

    I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. My original point was that women at their sexual peak are woefully naive on the value of men and masculinity. Since these women are being handed near total control over sexual selection, you can expect the inflated sense of worth in their selection process to create internal lies that must later be reinforced just to retain sanity.

    It’s the lie about the purity of their selection process that is destructive, from the beginning. It hurts different sexes differently depending on their relative age-SMV position, but the lie is destructive from the beginning.

  16. @Becoming the Captain of My Boat

    …she isn’t malicious. This is subconscious shit reinforced by all their surroundings. Hell, my own betaization was subconscious shit reinforced by my surroundings.

    I was at a small dinner party with sailing friends a few weeks ago. The host and hostess are a married couple in their late 50’s, early 60s. Somehow we got on the subject of one of our shipmates whose wife has just recently decided to leave him (no kids, but married, some assets). The hostess of the party almost instantly chimed in with a comment of, “Well it’s a good thing for her to get out now rather than spend 20 years in hell.”

    I bit my tongue. I regret doing so. This was coming from a woman who was likely (I don’t know her exact story) divorced 2-3 times, settled on my buddy when they were both in their 40s.

    I have come to the conclusion that I must be prepared to lose friends and frankly get in some of these women’s faces. What she spit out was bile, directed at a man she did not know, impugning his ability to provide a reasonable relationship without even literally standing in the mans presence. The gleaming sword-edge of the FI was on full display, ready to chop off the head and reputation of any man that does not measure up. It was disgusting. I said nothing, my friend, her husband said almost nothing. It was capitulation.

    I’ve not regretted not speaking up so badly in years.

    I suggest that the masculine thing to do is always above-board, risking or even creating confrontation on principle. Don’t do what I did was to just let comments like that pass.

  17. redlight:

    “July 24th, 2015 at 11:16 am

    I’ve wondering about the beta spinning plates:

    he dates 28-35 single
    claims he is looking for his soulmate
    makes romantic gestures
    talks about wanting the house, picket fence, children
    pays for everything
    takes the 6+ dates to get sex
    continues until sex fades, being told to live together, or found out
    is doing this the same time with multiple women and always starting a new one”

    Oh, it works and the guy can easily dip down to about 25-26 but if you have never seen a woman freak out and go total ape shit, wait until she finds out her sucker isn’t a sucker after all.

    They know their time in the sun, and you just burned through some of the precious time they had to lock down a fool.

    I have to say, I’m stunned how many men in their 30s will marry a woman with someone else’s kid.

    I used to feel sorry for them, at this point I see them as part of the problem with society.

  18. I’ve got bad news for women. Men are becoming aware. Many more each day of the Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks strategy. I’m turning 35 and there are plenty of former female class mates on Facebook with their never ending posting of men are cowards, men aren’t men anymore, blah blah blah. What is a joke is that few men comment on these children tantrums and it’s just other angry women that support her. It’s hopeless for them on ‘getting a man’.

    I’ve never met a NAWALT in my life, I don’t believe in them. But some women are better than others. The women who seem to display the highest personal qualities along with at least average looks are still getting proposed to. It’s the middle of the road women now that are finding themselves scratching their heads wondering why men at age 30 are not willing to commit. Either these women are in denial or really clueless. If you look at articles posted on the web with titles such as, “why men need marriage”, men are always in the comment thread explaining clearly why they don’t want to get married. Men are very straightforward and honest when it comes to their decisions. It’s spelled out for women when they ask men.

    A man’s sexual needs will make him bend over backwards to get sex from women. However, a strategy where both sides play but where one side completely wins and the other completely loses won’t work forever. That strategy is now failing and going to have to be abandoned.

    The future will be extremely interesting as it unfolds. Here you have men fed up and have all this technology to occupy them. This is going to force women to adapted, it’ll be interesting to see what they do. Shaming isn’t working anymore, compromise will be a must for them. But I expect them to do it when they have zero options left.

  19. “Jeremy
    July 24th, 2015 at 11:16 am
    I’m trying to relate the post picture to the implied meaning, finding difficulty as always. She’s standing in a pool of water, holding a sailboat among a half-dozen other identical sailboats… Sailboats are often metaphors for lifelong dreams… Anyone?”

    It seems to represent the “That was Then” girl. In a languid tidepool contemplating the boat she is holding now, but contemplating the other eight boats she will explore up until her Epiphany phase. When she will then realize she is alone:

    Google has a search photo feature. Here is a link to the flicker description by the photographer:

    tide pool of the somnolent

  20. Can women effectively mislead a man to think that she views him as alpha? Yes. Can women convincingly fake an orgasm? Yes. Therefore men cannot escape marriage. Women can still “bad girl” themselves for a beta all the way to the aisle (and even down the aisle if necessary). Then 10 years later…kaboom!

  21. This modern Sandbergian “shop around” idea was a long time in cultivation.

    I did an essay in high school about the history of feminine hygiene products. At first, it was a bit of a spoof. But, as I got into the nuts-and-bolts, the dynamics were fascinating.

    To give you a run-down, it happens like this:
    Women stuff newspapers or scraps of cloth in their underwear to catch the discharge and protect their clothing; hence the expression “on the rag”.
    Then, corporations come up with the tampon (or maxi-pads, whichever was first).
    So marketing, in the attempt to “create a need”, works on women’s fears and tells them that “they’re more sanitary” and “he’ll not be so distant”. Although newspapers and cloth worked fine, women wanted to believe the marketing, and the market was born.

    Here’s where it gets fascinating. Marketing had been “working on women” for some time, marketing cleaning products, feminine hygiene products, and household products in general. The problem was that the marketing, although it won over the hearts and minds of women, could not overcome the iron fist that was the man’s hand on his wallet. Men didn’t like buying tampons at the store, way back then: “just use junior’s old diapers like you always have”. Of course, you can understand how that was met with: “But, Jane next door uses them, and so does Betty across the street! You cheap bastard!” Not only was marketing preying on their fears (creating them) by calling their menstrual discharges “dirty”, “unsanitary”, “foul”, or otherwise unhygienic, but also using the bandwagon technique, so women were not only dirty, but sub-par for not using tampons, because: “more and more women are switching everyday and enjoying the freedom and comfort of…” and “Just like thousands of women nationwide, you too can feel fresh and clean…”

    A sidetrack in my research brought me to the engagement ring market created by DeBoers, the diamond company. Long story short, there wasn’t a need for an engagement ring, but there was a fear of women that men would take their virginity and leave them “damaged goods that would be unfit to wed”. It was the urban-legend-style gossip that was prevalent at the time. (This was long ago, mind you, like pre-WWII, and more toward the time of WWI.) A few horror stories spreading around, and, *PooF* insecurity, and then a need to “defend”, is born. By preying on this fear, they created a “tradition” out of thin air. Their angle (DeBoers’) was that a woman should make a man “prove” his intentions by his “sacrifice” of TWO MONTHS salary on a “promise ring”. The problem was, men still bought the ring, took the virginity, then left the women to be damaged goods. “You can keep the ring.” “Prostitution” jumped into my mind when I originally read that, since men could either pay a truly dirty whore, or, pay a clean virgin. I’d buy the ring, too, if the math added up to mean the ring was cheaper to have sex with a clean woman than the cost of the regular visits to the dirty women. DeBoers won’t tell you that in their ads, though. Like I said, it was a “need” created where there was truly no need whatsoever, which is how it related to the tampon market: no need. Men quickly adapted and started buying rings instead of paying whores. DeBoers wins. Women lose. Either way, men exchanged sex for money, just that men got “clean”, “tight” sex now, instead of the sloppy stuff they had in the past. Options actually opened for men, at the expense of women.

    The engagement ring marketing was towards women, and in that way, created the need for men: DeBoers was suddenly the gatekeepers of sex. Way back then, “If you love it, you shoulda put a ring on it” might has well have been the anthem playing on the radio.

    To bring it back to tampons, the marketing was gaining experience marketing to women. It’s not too far of a stretch to speculate that marketing actually drove women into the workforce. Since men had the iron fist clutching the money, women started to crave their own “discretionary spending” capacity. They wanted to by-pass their men in order to buy their own tampons …and lipstick, and perfume, and hair spray, etc. Marketing was getting proficient, and even dabbling in “dirty pool” tactics: subliminal advertising wasn’t “banned” until sometime in the 60’s-ish. Subliminal advertising!

    It’s really no wonder women decided they wanted to work, if subliminal advertising is factored in. Corporations could bypass men’s financial responsibility by urging women to obtain their own money. What a mind job! Convincing women to work when they never had to!!!? And women, to this day, INSIST that they must: it’s been going on for generations – it’s “just what you do”.

    How else could they afford the things they don’t need if they don’t get a job they don’t need to get money they don’t need?

    The irony is where doctors determine that shoving an obstacle in the vagina and bottling up that which should be discharged proved MORE unhygienic than a wad of newspapers in the undies. Even still MORE ironic? Women keep using them. Women still insist that what’s bad for them is their best course.

    When it comes to “this is now”, marketing has been learning to control people’s choices for over 100 years. That’s a lot of experience. Now, their is no need to “subliminally advertise”, since Facebook, Yahoo buzzfeed, and all manner of public opinion shaping devices are in plain sight. Public opinion is created, and media knows this, and exploits it for capital gain. There’s no need to hide the message anymore, not when several generations have passed without developing healthy marketing filters. “Mom used tampons, so I do, too.” It seems well-enough to repeat the same mistakes of our parents, and their parents, without giving proper consideration to the pros/cons. So, “my mom got a divorce, so, I can, too”, although terribly destructive reasoning, is commonplace rationality. Lots of people do meth, too, but it’s not necessarily good for them.

    Consider that which is marketed to women. “This is now”, indeed, means that marketing has been dominating public opinion for decades. The biggest irony in this whole post is when you realize that a crazy percentage of marketing professionals are women. The number I saw was around 80%. That means that it’s women deluding women, in perpetuity, to get jobs to get money to spend on things they don’t need. Those “marketing professionals” are victims of their own game, when you step back and consider the big picture.

    Women suck in the workplace: it’s not what they are good at. Women are best at mothering and nurturing, and, unfortunately, have been led astray. Corporate greed sculpted our culture long ago, and continues to reap the benefits of, well, the zombie masses of lemmings eager to jump on any bandwagon that feels nice.

    Since corporate marketing has women trained to perpetually unsatisfied, never achieving “good enough”, the discontent spills-over into other aspects of their lives. The divorce rate displays this clearly, as does the number of ladder-climbing professional women. It’s as though women strive to be better at being self-destructive, especially when you understand that women could stay with their parents, without having to work, until they find a man that will take them in and start a family.

    But, no, women need money to go out to bars and voluntarily strive to “damage their own goods” by getting drunk and having sex with as many men as they please until that party is over at 30.

    Women used to fear being “damaged goods”. Now, they are desperate to destroy their value, quickly, and early-on in their lives. Virginity, and other personal values, have been so whittled-down by marketing in importance that what we see now, and are generally disgusted by, is simply “the times”.

    Since way back, when that DeBoers engagement ring tradition was being born, marriage laws have been in place to shield women from predators. Now, women have jobs of their own, and have no need for financial provision from a man. But the laws to protect them remain intact? Men still need to “sacrifice” wages for engagement rings? Our “traditions” are wildly out-of-date, and rightfully so, according to women. Their is no need to provide for a woman who provides for herself, so why the need for a rich husband?

    Marriage is out of the question for me anymore, unless I meet a virgin. I won’t meet any virgins, so I’m not getting married. Period. I refuse to marry damaged goods, and until women realize this, we’ll continue to witness women rushing to destroy their lives by spreading their legs with abandon, and destroying their pair-bonding capacity. Besides, women have lost sight of “good enough”, so I understand that even a virgin will have inherent discontent.

    I’d like to offer feminists a punch-in-the-mouth that they need: women are doing our culture a disservice by believing they should work and have careers. The 80% of marketing professionals that are women have taken the silly propaganda hook-line-and-sinker, and perpetuate a terrible dynamic onto themselves as women. Women actually believe that having a job and spending their time working is better than not! It’s as though not having a career isn’t even a reality for women! Who truly benefits? Corporations. They’ve studied and studied and concluded that the best consumer is the single female, so they cultivate them, like crops of consumers. Women, cultivating crops of the best, inherently discontented, single-female consumers, in perpetuity. It’s best for corporations that women remain single, with jobs, spending money to make themselves marketable to men by consuming beauty products, clothes, shoes, cars, and the rest of the products necessary for a bachelor lifestyle. Single women have the most self-esteem anxiety, so they are the easiest prey. Should they snare a man or “accidentally” get pregnant and have children, they warp their kids by not being around to nurture them properly: they are at daycare while mommy is at work.

    Working to afford what? The mental-health of their children? It can’t be bought. So, mommy’s little girl grows up being even MORE discontent, with MORE anxieties, just like mommy’s parents raised her. Keep it up: it means more marketing job security. DON’T teach your kids to discount the statements of a paid actor. DON’T teach them to filter-out marketing agendas. DON’T teach them values or morality. DON’T teach them the difference between needs and wants. DON’T teach them to be patient, cultivate a need for instant gratification, instead. DON’T show them any healthy models whatsoever.

    It makes it easier for me to pump-and-dump them, and I DON’T need to buy them tampons. I DON’T need to buy an engagement ring. I can just fuck-and-chuck unlimited numbers of women who don’t value themselves without regard: absolutely free, no provisioning whatsoever. After all, they don’t have any regard for themselves, otherwise their actions would reflect that, wouldn’t they? (See also: girls gone wild, coyote ugly, pretty woman)

    Show me a non-virgin feminist, and I’ll show you a mouse with it’s head in a trap that it, itself, set. Women should really be ashamed that they could remain at home, cared for until they find a husband and start a family, and be cared for by the husband. Instead, they choose to work?

    Me, I don’t work. My girlfriend of five years does (not “wife”), and provides for ME. This is now, and I’ve adapted. My, how the tables have turned. If I hold out long enough, perhaps she’ll buy me an engagement ring! Have your cake, women. Don’t blame men, we didn’t make your choices; we didn’t take your college courses on delusion.

    Just look at that Facebook meme: “believe you’re beautiful”. Yes, don’t think, believe. That’s downright delusional, and the medium is the message: Sophia Lauren had a marketing agenda. Feels good, don’t it? Being delusional? Like I said, keep it up. It’s easier for men to get no-strings-attached sex. Facebook? Again, “the medium…” “The place for friends”? It’s the place to get your public-opinion-shaping doses of delusion from your friends alright. Getting head in the parking lot from a chick on her lunch break is “beautiful”, I must say, just so long as she believes it’s beautiful and not think it’s the shameful, self-destructive, sluttiness it is.

    “Now” isn’t so bad, for men. I can see how women might not be content, though. What they claim to want, and what they strive to get, are conflicted. Moreover, what they claim to need, and what marketing tells them they need, are conflicted as well. Women actually resist provisioning from a man in favor of independence. If women want independence, why do they want to get married?

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  22. Damn, I misused “their” a gang of times. OOps. I didn’t proof-read, and it shows. Please excuse the their/there misuse.

  23. @cheupez, agreed. However, with the rise of social media and an internet that never forgets, the ‘bad girl’, the “I used to be so crazy back in college” girl is making the deception progressively more difficult to conceal from men.

    I had a great one-on-one discussion with fellow Red Pill blogger Goldmund here in Reno this week, and he asked me where I thought the Red Pill and intersexual relations were heading.

    You’ll all see the video interview of this soon, but to sum it up, I’d say we’re going to see a greater polarization between the sexes as well as a greater (and necessary) cognitive dissonance in Beta men who have no other choice but to cling to their Blue Pill denials of women’s in-their-face expressions of Hypergamy.

    The condition will be one where men either go Red Pill aware, GTOW (or both), or cling to Blue Pill denials of women’s feral natures to such an extreme that they become despised by women embracing Open Hypergamy because they’ll never Just Get It.

  24. Jeremy
    July 24th, 2015 at 11:55 am

    “Well it’s a good thing for her to get out now rather than spend 20 years in hell.”

    That seems to be the common “reasoning” when women defend another womens divorce. Now that you thought about it for so long, what would you like to have said?

    It’s not so easy I think. If there are children, you can at least argue she is a egoistic, careless bitch and bad mother not caring for the children. But without children? I’m afraid every point about loyalty or whatever would represent a position of weakness, neediness. In fact, once you stop seeing all of this as a moral but a power issue (which I’d recommend), only action will speak properly. And action in this case would mean going for a younger, hotter one at every serious opportunity and with every women. Forget about your special snowflake. If hypergamy is a problem, become more hypergamous then women.

  25. >Can blue pill conditioning be so strong to the point of one not getting it with such an utterly obvious statement?

    Oh Hell yes it can- and does.

    >Either these women are in denial or really clueless.

    They are both in denial and clueless.

  26. per Jeremy:“They are evolved to pick out alphas, true, but “alpha” is not the best societal value and only speaks to the portions of masculinity that satisfy reproductive-age women.”

    Hypergamy doesn’t give a shit about “best societal value”, it only cares for the tingle through and through. It is “Id” based.

    With that being said, let’s be real here. The majority of men will stay in the dark and even those who find out the truth, most will still choose to belive in the lie. I’m constantly reminded of this scene:

    “You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

    Pussy really is that powerful, especially amongst young men. It is not so much desperation but rather, his testosterone fueled body doing whatever it can to get a shot at (constant)sex. It’s easy for older men to downplay this but when you are young, the fire burns hot and rationality is usually the first to go out the window. Many could bring up the “spinning plates” theory, which I do agree with but again, how many men can realistically pull this off? There is a certain amount of women per man and while Hypergamy dictates she will pick the top man/men, there is only so much pussy for the guys at the bottom to go around.

    As for the great lie by Sandberg, I’ve noticed that it is usually older women who spread the most lies.

    You want the truth (as close to it as you can get) from a woman? Talk to a drunk, young, AND hot girl. She will not disappoint you in what you seek. At first, I was surprised by how red pilled these young girls were but then I realized, most men in the manosphere don’t have enough experience with all women to compare how they operate between “leagues”.

    I’ve had young, drunk, and hot girls (her being drunk is key) tell me straight up truths about the SMP. I will quote those that I can remember right now:

    “If a guy is hot, I will excuse his behavior as long as he also fucks good.”

    “If a guy has a small dick, I will lose all attraction for him. There’s no way I’m staying. I don’t have time to fake it when I can get real sex.”

    “Most of us don’t look for relationships. That’s typically a guy thing. Most of us are just looking for good sex.”

    “If a guy is ugly and approaches me, I will be nice to him but I would never want to fuck him.”

    “I know when a guy is boyfriend material or fuckbuddy material just by looking at him.”

    “The first thing I notice about a guy is his height and face. I’ll also check his bulge to see if he’s packing! hehe” (all of them giggled at this point)

    If many of these quotes carry a similar pattern, it’s because when young women are drunk, they are usually in heat(estrus). This helps their hind-brain speak out what they truly desire. I recommend men try to associate themselves with as many hot women as they can and trust me, you will see a pattern. What you may find will not be pretty but then again, who ever said the truth was?

  27. Also, there’s a segment by Conan which has many red pill truths embedded in it. Read between the lines and you’ll see what I mean. (Hint: See how the women respond to the questions he asks):

    Granted pieces of the segment are scripted, but again, look for the subtleties. They do not lie.

  28. @Ross

    Hypergamy doesn’t give a shit about “best societal value”, it only cares for the tingle through and through. It is “Id” based.

    Neither does the male gaze. The difference is society recognizes the potential negative impact of fully unleashing only one of those forces, it presumes the other force is only good. It used to be that women were not given free reign over choosing who they married. This was (eventually) seen as akin to slavery, and thus fell out of favor. While I can certainly appreciate the parallels, the converse where women have full control over the selection process and marital legality from the time they turn 18 has its own evils.

  29. “…however, with the rise of social media and an internet that never forgets, the ‘bad girl’, the “I used to be so crazy back in college” girl is making the deception progressively more difficult to conceal from men…”

    Anxiously waiting for the interview video…

    I truly hope the net/social media saves the guys. But I have met quite a few girls who I know for a fact are riding the CC and as far as I know there is nothing on their online profiles to the effect…

  30. Thanks for the response to my last comment in the previous posts. I’ll continue it as the subject remains mostly the same and usually new posts supplants discussions of old posts.

    I recognize that the solution is alpha up and inspire the AF. I’ll continue to push myself and grow. Just that there is a fine line “Build a Better Beta” and “Alpha Up” taking to self-improvement and building towards 35. Rollo have emphasized that Alpha is a mental state rather than a demographic, but most examples (or all the ones I can think right now) in the manosphere are Alphas… Well, let’s say I’m not going to be in Hollywood trying to play the guitar being that archetype and he wasn’t 35 either.

    I’m don’t mean to sound defeatist in the last two sentences. Just what comes to my head in reading the responses.

  31. @Ross

    “If everyone else is ‘woo-ing’, I might… you know.”

    Classic.

    Lemmings.

    It’s fundamentally how DHV works, and boy, does it work.

  32. @Rhas Al Ghul

    I have to say, I’m stunned how many men in their 30s will marry a woman with someone else’s kid.

    I used to feel sorry for them, at this point I see them as part of the problem with society.

    I’ve actually had a good friend that was roped in to his miserable marriage by an “accidental” pregnancy (the psycho bitch got his child after they broke up but continued the booty calls and used it for all it was worth) shame me recently for saying “Fuck that” when he suggested I settle down with a single mom. It’s an attitude that’s reinforced through shaming from every direction. Hell, people that know my past try to leverage it against me: “Your mom was a single mother!”

    Of course there’s always my reply: “Yeah, and look how long it’s taken me to start reversing all the damage she did.”

    Cue falling back to NAWALT and claims that the statistics (children with two parents experience better outcomes) are wrong and that my experience was the exception rather than the rule. The rationalizations men go through to shame other men are… disturbing.

  33. OT: [sort of] here’s a taste of bigotry, racism and hatred for those of you here who might be interested : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-dr-john-c-dorhauer/an-open-letter-to-white-m_b_7857790.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    ~ An Open Letter to White Men in America

    Dear White Men,

    You are persons of privilege.

    You didn’t earn it. More than likely aren’t yet prepared to either admit to it or lose it. This letter, written by one of you, is offered to invite you on a journey of insight, honesty, hard truth and just living.

    Privilege can be hard to see, mostly because of what doesn’t happen to us when we have it.

    One of the four reasons James Cone offers in his landmark essay “Theology’s Great Sin: Silence in the Face of White Supremacy” for why men of privilege remain silent in the face of so much racial injustice is: “They don’t have to speak.”

    We aren’t getting arrested at four times our population rate.

    We aren’t being followed when walking through a department store wearing a sweat shirt with a hood.

    Real estate agencies didn’t write codes, rules and laws that kept us out of the high rent districts and middle class neighborhoods.

    Property values don’t go down when more than 10 percent of our neighborhood is saturated with people of our race.

    Our children aren’t sitting in classrooms with teachers who are likely not to have even a minor degree in the courses they are teaching.

    Young white men are not being gunned down by black police officers in epidemic numbers.

    Our churches aren’t being burned to the ground, nor or our church members in danger of being gunned down in prayer meetings.

    We are not saying to ourselves as part of a white man’s code of conduct that when a police car drives by us without pulling us over even though we are exceeding the speed limit something like: “Well, once again I didn’t get pulled over because I’m white.”…

    and so on ~ good luck.

  34. @cheupez, I think you’d be surprised by what you’ll find now and in the future in that regard.

    It doesn’t even need to be a digital trail on Instagram or Tinder, sometimes it’s an old VCR tape or a photo album. Many a Beta will casually ignore the trail of Hypergamy a woman leaves around for him to find. It’s yet one more shit test to determine if he Gets It.

  35. @ Sun Wukong

    I have a good friend who used to suggest I really needed to settle for a single mom. I finally had to ask why he hated me so much. Afterall in what way is being told to play the BetaBux for a used scratch and dent family, whilst giving up my own genetic legacy not an insult? I also asked what’s in it for me. Apparently I’m an asshole.

    Now when that sort thing is alluded to I simply say that although I will buy used cars I refuse to buy a used family. I like to place extra emphasis on “used” and say it with a disgusted sneer, like I am being offered the chance to lick someone else’s dinner plate. I guess I am an asshole, but I’m also completely without pity, sympathy, or empathy for the used families of the world as they are simply not my problem and offer no meaningful practical benefits to me.

  36. In the simplest terms to understand and drive the point home:

    • Female to male: Well, I did let him do those things to me, but I realize now I didn’t like it. So, *we’re* not going to do that.
    • Male to female: Well, I did buy a house with her, but it was a huge mistake and hurt my credit. So, I’m not going to buy one with you.

    It’s the same. If she’s not going to give you her sexual best because her sexual best was during the experimental phase, then why should he give you his financial best? That, too, was during his experimental phase. In both cases, they both got taken “in the rear” and don’t wish to do it again.

    Guess which one example above is considered wrong by females.

  37. “Over time”
    This is what unifies the pretty little lie with the Big Lie. Sandberg included this notion because it is essential. Without the benefit of Time, the duplicitous AF/BB strategy would be laid far too bare, and the cultural agents would not be able to groom the men into willing recipients of their place as BB.

    It is rather insidious. She is encouraged to take time, during which women produce a preponderance of cumulative evidence of her AF strategy, and during which men are held in check by the unrelenting expectation of surplus productivity, the increasing disparity of sexual access within the SMP as a direct result of the AF strategy at work (the 80/20 effect), and continual undermining of the already strained incentives from measures designed to break a man from the habit of noticing what is happening all around him – or punish him for noticing.

    If a man ponders his HS days he may just recall what AF/BB looks like when not afforded enough time to cure. I experienced the AF/BB in close proximity many times. Those were the lessons learned. These observations were made particularly clear when my status skyrocketed my final year in HS.

    I had seen both sides, up close, in a span of two years. I had heard both the sweet little lies and the visceral reality of being a sexually desired man. Perhaps this is why I frame the little lie as less damaging, though admittedly there is some hair-splitting in framing damage in this way.

    But easily we forget, once the “real life” wheels of the FI begin their grinding in college and beyond, when the closed environments open into the unbridled land of opportunity (hypergamy), that AF/BB is scalable, the programming is robust and unrelenting, and “love” has been weaponized.

    Time, as in, women should not marry young, they should take time to explore, build a career, etc. etc. is championed by the parents, teachers, counselors, coaches, clergy, and even grandmothers of these young women. The FI fully endorses this of course but this period of Time would not exist – nor would her ungoverned license for sexual exploration, if not for the direct investment of those closest to her.

    They are all complicit in creating the problem, but it is only the men who are expected to absorb the damage on the back-end.

    In the same way a mom might hound her 35 y/o son to “grow up” and get married, she also encouraged her daughter to explore and not “settle” before she accomplishes xyz, but mom sees no connection whatsoever in these two conditions because the participation of men on the back-end of the Big Lie is presumed. Its just how it is.

    As to agency, young women may not be great at underwriting male “value”, as in, husband potential, but they sure as hell know male “value” in terms of what one young man can provide them in terms of excitement, social capital, opportunity, “experience”, and Feelz/tingles VS some other young man.

    And yet they can assess value well enough to offer “friendships”, to accept attention and resources, and to lay sweet lies and thoughtful compliments at the feet of those young men who she finds to be awesome! but do not stimulate her in “that way.”

    IME, young women do not change that much. They do not, over time, develop some new quadratic shortcut to assessing male “value”. Utility, yes. Opportunistic alignment of her needs and wants, yes. Value, not so much. They use the same calculus they always have, it is only the relativity, optionality, and stakes that change over time. The 18 y/o harley mcrockbanddummer (hey Deti) is not the same as the 35 y/o talent agent at CAA, but the attributes that produce the Tingles and her willingness to indulge in those tingles are pretty much the same.

    To beleaguer, I ponder: “Over time you will learn to love and appreciate each other.” An interesting comparison is that “over time” is also used to help sell arranged marriages to young couples – a notion that our culture finds terribly oppressive and far too collective.

    So if I twist this titty a bit further we are looking at a kind of meta-arrangement of marriage in which the future wife is encouraged and enabled to wander the countryside to “find herself” or “figure out what she really likes/wants” and to take a chance on taming an Alpha or two or five along the way. You go girl. Follow your dreams… Even women who don’t follow this script when young are encouraged to do so “before it is too late”, i.e. Making up for missing out, Eat-Pray-Love.

    When this strategy wears thin, due to her Alpha conversion rate of zero, the decline in her ability to secure attention and investment from the most attractive men (epiphany), and/or her “dreams” not yielding a lifestyle of appropriate comfort, she returns to the village where the beta men have been building and producing surplus – as is expected and encouraged in order to be worthy of receiving a bride.

    So when the “timing is right” and when “women realize how great/valuable/sexy/hot” they are for their dutiful labors and devotion to the higher cause (as determined by the FI), marriage quite suddenly becomes the ideal state of being. And for most beta men, marriage still means the idea of regular sex so the sexual carrot and cultural stick still play quite nicely.

    A man who consciously rejects his place as BB is violating a foundation of the FI; by walking away from his arranged marriage he is shunning his duty as a man, dishonoring the FI family, and is thus subject to much shaming – even to the point where he is banished, marked as some kind of non-entity.

    It worked as long as those men were kept at enough distance and under enough distraction and delusion (“some day, a woman will be so lucky to have you”) that they were convinced those up-close lessons of youth were anomalies that both they – and women, would outgrow. They were not privy to the extent of exploration and AF’s and they were not privy to the experience of other young men.

    But times have changed. Over Time has been extended so long that the Lie became untenable. So the FI adapted. Taking Hypergamy from the shadows to out in the open means that it is officially The Way It Is. Kind of like how Tinder is now “just a dating app.”

    Making it open is to make it legitimate, normal. The best way to hide a lie is in plain sight. Then it is only a matter of doubling down on controlling the language such that men who don’t buy into the lie are painted targets, they become the evil, the problem, the Misogynist.

    When this principle is extended, we end up with the Cuck. The “Love” is so strong that jealousy has no place. He doesn’t own her sexuality! He never has, why would marriage change this? And if he has been a retroactive Cuck all along, why change that going forward, especially if he really Loves her?

    I must reign-in these long posts.

  38. Time, as in, women should not marry young, they should take time to explore, build a career, etc. etc. is championed by the parents, teachers, counselors, coaches, clergy, and even grandmothers of these young women. The FI fully endorses this of course but this period of Time would not exist – nor would her ungoverned license for sexual exploration, if not for the direct investment of those closest to her.
    They are all complicit in creating the problem, but it is only the men who are expected to absorb the damage on the back-end.
    In the same way a mom might hound her 35 y/o son to “grow up” and get married, she also encouraged her daughter to explore and not “settle” before she accomplishes xyz, but mom sees no connection whatsoever in these two conditions because the participation of men on the back-end of the Big Lie is presumed. Its just how it is.

    I think it’s important to remember that for most people, male and female alike, the way they view this is colored by the apex fallacy.

    That is, most are not openly endorsing wildly unequal sexual access and experiences in the 20s, but are assuming that women are “just doing what men have always done”, and that there is no great disparity in sexual access and experiences taking place in the 20s. They base this on a combination of (1) pre-sexual revolution data (still persistent in the popular culture) and (2) apex fallacy (i.e., “well, there are men getting laid, too, isn’t that who the girls are having sex with? What’s the problem? If you’re not one of them, it’s your problem, buddy, just get more attractive!”). So they see it as a small group of bitter male whiners who are upset they can’t pull porn stars and super models into bed, and so on, instead of the 80/20 pareto paradigm.

    Convincing people that this is an incorrect view of what is happening is difficult. Most people don’t want it to be true. And even if they are open-minded, there is an overwhelming bias to blame the “sexually unsuccessful” men themselves for being sexually unsuccessful, and a bias in favor of this because after all “it’s a free market, right?”. I mean even *we* do this in the manosphere routinely, don’t we? The problem is that stating the issue as it really is comes close to saying men are victims of the system, in some way, which is a claim that rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way, including most of us. Most of us say that men just need to learn the reality and accept and adapt to it, make themselves more attractive competitors in the system and move on, because the systemic aspects are not subject to being changed. In this regard, personal epiphanies about AF/BB and lane changing and so on can help, for guys who are willing to break through the old paradigm and accept the new one. For the people who are not — well, there isn’t much that can be done for them. They will suffer being out of sync with the new regime at some point, and probably quite badly. All you can do is present the truth to them and see how they respond — it’s their choice at that point, and at this point in history, many will still respond negatively because they do not like what the truth looks like. That is women’s trump card here — too many men dislike how reality looks such that even if they begin to suspect that TRP paints reality accurately, they do not want to accept it because it is a reality they do not want. Well, at that point, it’s all on them — that’s their choice, and it’s their life, really.

  39. It’s kinda sad to realise how badly our society is being destroyed just so these sluts can ride the CC to their wall and then bleed dry the poor Betas who they use for the sandbergian giant stand-in.

    From reading Daniel Amneus I’d say it is becoming imperative rein in the cunts lest the West becomes run-down and pauperized like Africa. Because that is exactly what the ultimate consequences of rampant FI, feminism, hypergamy, AF-BB and all that shit will be.

  40. There are prettty little lies, big lies, and then the foundation lie: That a woman is capable of making a commitment as an affirmative choice. They aren’t they will commit only defensively. There is no opportunistic commitment as that would forgo all future opportunities.

    The AF/BB strategy is distasteful, and duplicitous only because the foundation lie that after having found herself a woman will commit to a last final choice. The FI having eliminated such things as personal agency and responsibility instead exalts victimhood, and never ending opportunities for empowerment where durable choices never need to made and everything is temporary because abundance is a female entitlement. Any limits on that entitlement are consoled by the status conferred by being a victim. It’s all circle and no logic.

    What possibly could motivate a woman’s commitment when a man’s value is entirely based on his utility? And when the evaluation of a man’s utility is at the whim of mere feelz/tingles there can be no commitment from a woman, although she gladly expects it, and grudgingly accepts it in the knowledge that it will soon be resented.

    “When the going gets tough the tough get going” applies to men only.For the ladies it’s more like “when the going gets tough, look up old boyfriends on facebook.”

  41. “due to her Alpha conversion rate of zero”

    the best women snag their alphas. the alpha gets her best sex while she’s young and then drops her when she hits the wall and starts again with another young one.

    young second, third, fourth trophy wives are much beloved in our society. everybody knows the game and people love winners.

    if betas could just stop wanting to be loved af/bb would disappear. that need for love is what keeps them imprisoned. the notion of romantic love from a woman to a man is a recent thing. no band society man gave it a thought. there is a good reason prostitution is the oldest profession.

    if betas could stop looking for emotional support there would be no beta bux for women to expect.

    men created this problem by wanting something that doesn’t exist. that is a major weakness that women loathe. whether they should or not is irrelevant. their biology makes it so and nothing is going to change their wiring.

    the solution is simple. refuse to marry a carousel rider and pay for young beautiful prostitutes when you want female company.

    there is huge growth potential in the pimp business.

  42. the new 30 something

    Her: I’m ready to settle down
    Him: Done with the Carousel? I’m just getting started. In a decade I might be looking for someone your age now, but probably younger

    Carousel copyright Rodgers/Hammerstein

  43. I did not know anything about alpha/beta much less AF/BB or RP before I landed on this blog a month or so ago. I guess I am lucky I had a grandfather who was a natural alpha, and have a father who is a natural alpha…”No give a fuck for a wailing woman. Just fuck her…” was/is the general outlook for those two men. I guess it rubbed off onto me too ( a bit). I thought the reason why I fucked so many women was because the girls somehow just liked to fuck me, just….

    Now I see may be it was the “no give a fuck attitude(on me)/war bride thing (on them)…” Wah!

    OK.

    Am married now. But still clubbin though…

    Anyway. Its been quite a blast cruising through this blog.

    Thanks Rollo and all the esteemed commenters on this blog (and also the not so esteemed commenters and trollololololololests….) By the way, I agree with the strategy to allow the “FI champions” to shovel their shit around this place. It helps the doubters see the FI in action, much like going into the range for shooting practice before deployment and life bullets start flying over your head…it helps to keep things in perspective…

  44. @h2Blow

    AGREED with all except the prostitutes thing. Then again, I haven’t really had those problems so maybe you’re right.

  45. I think I’ve said this before: I don’t understand what some redpillians call the “anger phase”. Why would I be angry about learning something? I sure didn’t get “enough” attention in my early twenties and saw it changing with my changing attitude. But I don’t regret anything I did, really. I didn’t waste time (I finished my degree etc.) and I’ve not been “hurt” from not fucking the hottest girl I knew.
    I see the rise of all of this (from PUA to social dynamics analysis) like a self-help trend that’s becoming possible due to anonymity that men with questions now enjoy with the rise of the internet. It’s information, what’s there to be sad about?

  46. I still love how Sandberg calls the Beta male “sexy”.

    A straight up lie pandering to the belief that he will indeed receive her sexual best because the Epiphany Phase occurs not due to necessity, but due to an actual shift in what generates tingles.She’s actually claiming the biology of sexual arousal changes at 30-35.

    Every married early-mid 30s woman who has ever acted ready to jump my bones without hesitation has never done so at the mention of a comfortable lifestyle, my ability to design failure resistant network architectures, or my ability to code apps for her smartphone. It’s been because when I’m wearing a tight shirt and relaxed, a dude that’s in good shape with blue eyes and an infectious personality is always more arousing than her balding husband with a beer gut or more to lug around.

    The biology of arousal does not change, but that’s the rationalization offered and Betas eat it up.

    @BP

    Afterall in what way is being told to play the BetaBux for a used scratch and dent family, whilst giving up my own genetic legacy not an insult? I also asked what’s in it for me. Apparently I’m an asshole.

    ^ So much this, and I received the same reaction from the guy I mentioned above.

    I explain to them that I’ve never been particularly keen on having children, but if I did have them I’d only want to support my own. I’d never want to pay to raise some other dude’s kids, no matter how much I might feel for the girl’s sob story. OK, he was abusive and your shitty upbringing didn’t teach you to avoid that. It’s awful, it never should have happened, but it’s also of no benefit to me personally to act as a safety net for it.

    That a woman is capable of making a commitment as an affirmative choice. They aren’t they will commit only defensively. There is no opportunistic commitment as that would forgo all future opportunities.

    … that is actually a very interesting take on it. By definition opportunism is reactive, and commitment must be taken on proactively. If women love opportunistically, then by definition they are incapable of commitment and instead must be kept in it by a male’s constant maintenance of the circumstances that cause her to react continuously by staying with him. Men instinctively grasp this but don’t necessarily take the best actions to facilitate it, resorting instead to mate guarding when it’s already way too late.

    I’d not thought of it exactly that way before, but it makes complete sense. Explains every single time I’ve been dumped even when they said they wanted to remain committed. They simply can’t do it if I don’t perform. Opportunistic instincts won’t allow it.

  47. @Captain of my Boat

    “Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
    It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.”

    It’s really hard to re-establish frame. Just ask SJF. Hell, ask me; I tried to revive an old one-itis for the longest time. No dice. In a marriage circumstance it might be worth trying of course, but past that? Nah. Next.

  48. Very nice post Rollo!

    I like where your reasoning is going. And I suppose I am coming late to the party.
    Now I realize that dualistic strategy is not dependent on a woman’s age. She does this throughout her dating lifetime.

    Above you were discussing Facebook and girls who were riding the C Carousel not posting the fact on social media. I have seen this too somewhat. What I usually see is a party girl posting tons of pictures with random dudes in the pictures. The girl posts pics of her living it up with random guys and obviously enjoying male attention.

    But the comments are just revolting to read.
    Beta Orbiter1: Looks like you had fun!
    Beta Orbiter2: Wow you looked great in that dress!
    Party Girl: Thanks Guys I wish you could have been there.
    Beta Orbiter1: Yeah next time you go out text me…

    sure she will text you orbiter

    I didn’t realize that the planning or rational BB strategy is an ongoing thing. Perhaps a woman gains more and more capability at the BB provider game over time to make sure that she can have a BB Husband at the Wall.

    In effect women are optimizing the strategies they will use on the un-suspecting beta’s at 30. So that much like when a woman is 20 and hot enough to get anything by batting her eyes. At 30 she is an experienced woman well versed in manipulating men for 10 years.

    This 10 years of manipulation training is during the same time that future betas are going though the dry spell post college.

  49. @Matt re: ‘Beware the changing “type”’

    I had a girl tell me that she found it weird being attracted to me. “I used to think I needed someone who was into fitness and sports, like me.” Used to date college athletes, seemingly exclusively.

    I’m no slouch physically, but that’s really not my persona. I see this sort of thing as being a massive red flag nowadays. Sure, you could be the exception to her pattern of attraction. But you probably aren’t. And she’ll learn that once the novelty wears off.

  50. I should add, I could see why she went for that type. She didn’t understand any sort of intellegent conversation, it did nothing for her. But her circuits would just fry if I took my shirt off around her. She was very tactile/visual in her attraction.

  51. Sun Wukong – “Explains every single time I’ve been dumped even when they said they wanted to remain committed. They simply can’t do it if I don’t perform.”

    Which is why your performance should be designed to satisfy you exclusively, if anyone else is impressed it’s a bonus. I don’t know about you but the only people I try to impress are those who write me checks in exchange for my performance…or they pay cash. Everyone else I could give a shit, but don’t.

  52. @Jeremy

    So yes, the lie that women tell themselves, that their sexual selection process is divine and unquestionable is a tremendously destructive lie in both cases. The fastest way to reverse the tide that is now flooding in is to magically convince every 18 year old girl in the developed world that she’s a f-ing moron w.r.t. picking a man (and she is).”

    It can be fun talking to girls about men they are and aren’t attracted to. It’s a conversation sure to be rife with magical thinking, just-so stories, and hypercaffeinated rationalizations. She just knows, don’t you understand?

    Lol.

    BTW, not accusing you specifically, but beware the impeding rationalization when taking this line of reasoning – “If only women were logical and sensible they would pick men well. And that would look a lot like …. them picking people like ME!

    Don’t wish it were easier, blah blah.

  53. @BP

    You know it’s kind of funny but I often find in a lot of my work that the less I care about impressing my employer and more about simply doing good work, the better I do. Don’t get me wrong; in social situations (department meet ups for sushi and such), I always mind the 48 Laws as best as I can. But in the day to day doing of the work, treating excellent work as my mission seems to deliver better results than treating impressing my employer as the mission.

    Granted, that might change if I ever move in to management of any time, but I think I’ll only find myself in that role if I start my own company.

  54. Forge the Sky – “I see this sort of thing as being a massive red flag nowadays. Sure, you could be the exception to her pattern of attraction.”

    It’s a checkered flag, Start Your Engines! This is the game and you’re the betafux. If she thinks you’re the bux well that’s not your problem. Such an admission is sort of get out of responsibility free card in that you’re only responsibility is to your happiness. And forget about that leave ’em better than you found ’em bullshit. If she’s changing lanes you’re not responsible for a repair and restoration. She probably needs to be re-sleeved and it’s doubtful you’d add significantly to the damage she willingly sought.

  55. Interesting story that somewhat coincides with this post: I was 19 years old in the Navy stationed in Guam back in 1997. When off duty, I would frequent this strip club where I met this stripper chick from Mississippi. She was one of those southern belle chicks who knew she could monetize her looks, and she was 22 years old at the time. She was the most beautiful woman I’ve ever personally seen in my life. I fell in love with her, she did not with me. Every act of intimacy I had with her, I paid for it. But she would tell me shit like, “I don’t usually do this.” or “I haven’t been with that many guys.” or “I care about you.” And the question that burned so bad in the back of my mind that never surfaced, was ” Then why the fuck am I paying you?”
    So anyways, one day I was at the strip club, her 30 year old friend (also a stripper) proposes to me for marriage while giving me a lap dance, in which I politely brush her off with, “yeah sure” completely not taking her serious at all, because I knew that bitch was too old and knew what she was after. But somehow she interpreted that as a “yes.” Though later, she told me the marriage was off when she found out I was involved with her younger friend.
    So a few minutes later, I’m with the southern belle/Mississippi Queen, I try proposing to her to marry me to which she replies, “No, I don’t plan on settling down until I’m 35.” I knew that was way too long and way too late to wait up for her. I said, “So that’s the way it is, is it?” and spent the next couple of hours continually buying lap dances from said girl until I was broke and had to walk back to base. I continued seeing this girl for six weeks until she left the island. Never saw or heard from her ever again.
    From that moment on, I found it quite easy to use the brothels on a regular basis while stationed there. When I got back to the states, I found prostitution to be exceedingly less accessible and more expensive so I’ve pretty much been incel to this day since 1998. Nowadays, I’m just a red pill literate ghost. Even though I’m kinda bitter about red pill realism, I’m glad the southern belle rejected me. I dodged a bullet. She was all sex appeal and had zero maternal/wifely qualities.

  56. BP,

    Teaching a girl how to have an orgasm is my contribution to “leaving them better”. I’m not suggesting that someone put a chick through college or anything grand, just, don’t warp them further, at least.

    I know “leave them better” sounds white-knight-ish, but, it’s simply being positive, and not cultivating resentment. It’s as simple as respecting them as a human. That’s not too much to afford someone who’s mouth is on your cock, is it?

    Teach them to fish, suck a dick, change their own oil, whatever, just don’t give them cause to cry “rape”.

  57. @Forge the Sky

    …but beware the impeding rationalization when taking this line of reasoning – “If only women were logical and sensible they would pick men well.

    That wasn’t my argument specifically. Actually asking someone to be logical and sensible about what their biology tells them is impossible, or else why would we have beta males at all? The argument I have is based on the notion that humans are supposed to be proceeding from a state of ignorance to a state of wisdom throughout their lives. Lies impede this process. Growing through your reproductive phase is supposed to be enlightening and educational. But that can only happen in a “free market” sexual marketplace where your actions have immediate consequences, where sexual price-discovery is fairly baked in. Asking an 18 year old girl to understand male potential and factor that into her decision is impossible. But helping her not to lie to herself about her own biology and the effect it is having on her decisions is not impossible and it’s a great area of society where adults are falling asleep at the wheel.

    As sad as it is to say it, women are terrible judges of male character in their fertile phase (this says nothing bad about them or their sex, men generally pay no mind to female character when they’re horny, which is far more often). Society was better when dads had veto power on chosen husbands.

  58. @ Vulpine

    I get what you’re saying. However, I want to expand on my point because it needs some clarification.

    1. Those here who are plugged in, unplugging, recently unplugged, swallowing the redpill, choking on it, etc. aren’t the guys that have a hard time with idea of leaving ’em better than they found ’em. They, like me, are the current and former nice guy AFCs who pollute the world with white knights, and incels. We’ve lived our lives around some fucked up variation of that idea. We are the ones who worry about doing harm as though we have taken some sort of Hippocratic oath. We sacrifice our own happiness both short and long term in pursuit that which does not exist, for appreciation we won’t get, and because we misunderstand the difference between idealism and reality. We are the ones who failed to escalate, failed to assert ourselves, and failed to go for what we wanted because we feared both embarrassment and that we might be doing wrong.

    We are not the one’s who need to be responsible for the some gal’s life outcome. Accepting that responsibilty is never rewarded, and is antithetical to our happiness. Our responsibility begins and ends with us. Until that is embraced we will never get past the our past fuckups. Which means most of us are going to risk leaving them worse than found them at the beginning of journey because learning any skill has false starts and mistakes. Beyond managing things to avoid our capricious legal system there is no point worrying about collateral damage because that’s a big part what got us here in the first place.

    2. In my statement to Forge the Sky I was referring specifically to a the epiphany phase gals who by virtue their empowered experience are worthless as potential wives. As such when you’re possibly number 15 on her way to an N=20 then there’s no reason to worry about possible damage because because one more scratch or dent won’t make a tinker’s damn difference. So taking advantage of the Betafux option is a just good game, and good practice. If that doesn’t work for Forge The Sky it’s something for the rest of us to be cognizant of and consider within our own playbooks.

    3. The problem with leave ’em better idea isn’t, for me, a matter of white knighting but it seems a post facto rationalization to justify, or gloss up behavior. I ask you Vulpine if you create an Alpha widow is that for the better, and for whose betterment? I honestly don’t know, nor do I care that much as it’s not my problem.

    So when you say:

    “Teach them to fish, suck a dick, change their own oil, whatever, just don’t give them cause to cry ‘rape’.”

    I can only agree, I see that as good game, not a bettering someone.

  59. @Becoming the Captain of My Boat
    Hey there! Welcome! Get yourself over to /r/MarriedRedPill on Reddit.
    And read every single post on this blog. It generally takes about one month for every year of marriage to fully apply TRP in your marriage.

  60. If anybody knows who Kirill Was Here or aka The Slut Whisper, if think about a scraggily looking guy like this hooks up a lot

    and then you combine that with Rollo’s quote of one his pour girls saying she bang a guy on first night, but not if he’s relationship material. The guys who frequent that blog about lack of married sex life, it would dawn on some of them that they’re in the midst of a plan. Or the end of a plan might be better.
    The lack of sex in married life isn’t from lack of time, or being too busy, or because of the kids. It was the plan from the beginning.
    You’re the guy after the scraggily beard party animal who they hook with. Either due to the approaching wall and they realize they look out of place in the club or due to transitioning into the next faze of their life, you’re the next step.
    The relationship material guy who wouldn’t corrupt a kid like scraggily beard. The sex is their in the beginning of the marriage. There was all that passion (plan). Now she got the kids she wanted.
    Well, no need for that sex thing anymore. I’m too busy. Can’t because of the kids. There’s no time

  61. @Kyfho

    “It generally takes about one month for every year of marriage to fully apply TRP in your marriage.”

    Heheh, that is pretty observant of you. I just finished 25 months of studying the red pill after 25 years of marriage. And I just took the training wheels off myself. I think I’m no longer a child playing with dynamite. (Still going to be careful walking through the mine field, though)

    @Becoming the Captain of My Boat

    Illimitable Man’s MAXIM #24 states: “If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him. She has accepted he is submissive and so she revels in the power her control gives her. If he becomes dominant, she loses the power and resources her monopoly granted her. And she will never forget his old ways. She will never really believe he is a worthy leader.”

    In a “discussion” I had with my wife last week, her words verbalized that she wanted me to take back the dominant role, but her eyes told the story that it would pain her to give it up. No shit.

    And in regards to employing red pill awareness and married man game, do remember the rule of fight club–that also applies to TRP and game–don’t talk overtly about TRP and game. Demonstrate and make her feel like you are the oak tree with stability in a storm. Don’t explain it to her overtly.

    You said:

    “I can say without a doubt that if your’e not already in a LTR or married and you’re younger than 30-35 don’t get in one. Read this stuff, make yourself a better man, fuck around and “find yourself” then you can get into a LTR, because it’s much harder to take control of a ship and right the course with your now demoted wife psychologically kicking and screaming than it is to captain a boat from the get go and then find a hot, willing first mate along the way when you’re already a seasoned salty captain.”

    I still think there might be a corollary to that. If you find a good woman sooner that 35, say at 27 to 32 years old yourself, and your gut tells you that she is excellent, you might want to take a flyer on her.

    I may have been lucky and I may have been skilled when I was 27-29 and I met and then married my wife. And it turned out well. With the proviso that as Forge the Sky says: “I’ve found that, in general, RP and game feel more like the awakening of buried impulses than the addition of foreign behaviors.”

  62. my advice to women is date all of them

    And my advice to men is fuck only women who are under 25 and do it till you are too damn old to move. Women are easily replaced and enjoyable – and never marry, when you want to settle down, move to an Asian country, and take up a couple 18 yo’s (preferably younger) and bang them till they give you an offspring, make sure it’s yours, then keep the mothers around, and enjoy younger ones till you are too damned old to walk.

    American women are to f*ck when they are young and get rid of when they want to trap you. That is why 25 is a good cut-off age…

  63. “In prior generations, the ones before the sexual revolution, the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies could be balanced in both sexes mutually compromising those strategies to ensure the complementary benefit of both men and women. Those days are no more. ”

    I buried my Dad two days ago. It was unexpected. I was in MIchigan with one of my daughters at orientation. The first text was Dad’s surgery went well. Six hours later the text was “Dad’s dead”. He wasn’t technically dead, just brain dead. They were waiting for me to finalize his life. I couldn’t leave until the orientation was over or she would lose her spot. My Mom, through my brother, said don’t ruin if for your girl. I told my daughter on the way back that Pap would never wake up, she said “Oh”.

    I got back, collected my four kids, and went to the ICU room. I hadn’t showed any emotion to this point but I walked in and everyone was there sobbing. I looked at him and lost it; by myself sobbing looking out the window. I spent a half and hour with his half corpse and said to everyone “Let’s end this”. My Mom said okay, so I took care of it like I always do. The nurse came in and said she was giving Dad morphine and we would wait 15 minutes to remove the intubator.

    I looked, around my kids crying, my brothers in tears with their heads on their wives shoulders, me by myself. Fuck.

    The nurse came in, briefly we left while she pulled he tube. We came back. One brother said the doctor told him he could last 5 minutes, 5 days or 5 weeks. The nurse, with as much empathy as someone who does this everyday could, said “Your Dad never tried to take a breath so this will be quick”. I sobbed. We watched the monitor as his heart slowly stopped. I was shocked that his heart was beating and his chest wasn’t moving.

    Dad died.

    My Mom wailed. She was hugging his head crying “Come get me, I don’t want to be here without you”. Married 52 years. Sobbing. Shit.

    Over a 1000 people came to the viewing. My buddy drove six hours to see my Dad; I got to talk him for 2 minutes. Three other good friends took off work for the Mass. They’ve never seen a funeral procession that long.

    My Mom is a basket case. They married at 29 (both) after he built his business. I think she was a virgin. They were both staunch Catholics.

    We talk alot here about AWALT but watching my Mom and my brothers wives this past week, maybe it really is NAWALT. Perhaps I just married poorly.

  64. “Red Pill awareness and contingent strategies on men’s part are the only recourse to this ‘plan’.”

    And recourse we must….

  65. @Matt:
    “He may have lacked a hard body, but he did have a loving heart and a steady job and, most importantly, the urge to merge. They’re planning a wedding.”

    Wow! That just sounds like, “He will never leave you, he will never have balls to stand up against you, he kisses the floor you walk on, he’s grateful you have given him a chance, you validate him, he…is safe!”

    And all red pill men said….

  66. RE: The interview.
    I’m not sure we need a new Rollo to come along. The FI is being broken down to a sub-atomic level (right here, right now) so I guess it’s just a case of passing on the information to all young men.

    Unlike Morpheus, who didn’t want to shatter everyone’s delusion, I’d be happy to see TRP get blasted with extreme prejudice into every man’s brain this instant.

    Sure, any collapse in the West will see the FI get shoved straight back into the box… but barring that, the best you can do is evangelize.

    PS. Rollo you should do a voice/video recording of your books. So much more powerful to hear a man’s voice speak these truths.

  67. @Atticus

    Heartfelt condolences. I cant imagine how it must sting to lose a dad like that one.

    Further on your comment; I could say that rather than NAWALT, I am tempted to think that your dad was one among a few men who knew how to keep a woman in check. I think that once one grasps the idea that women are not just trying to be mean for doing what they do but just that they have all evolved to survive in an environment of extreme anxiety…it is then easier to accept the concept of AWALT.

  68. @Atticus: My condolences. I lost my dad before I can remember. Remember that your pain is the price to be paid for all the years you knew him and hang in there.

    @Grimdarke: “The FI is being broken down to a sub-atomic level (right here, right now). . .”

    Which is far less useful than really nailing the basics in practice.

    There are a lot of athletes who never reach their full potential because they get bogged down in analyzing the minutia of physiology that, in the real world, only exist below the noise threshold.

  69. I would have to say if young men are looking for a start then start here:

    Driver’s Iron Rule # 1 – If she has kids then ‘Next’ her.

    To me, this has to be the starting point for swinging things back to a more balanced or compromising position (for both). Women having kids (and multiple kids out of wedlock with multiple partners without blinking an eye) is the white elephant in the room that everyone should be talking about. The level of shame that used to go along with these actions needs to return and, again, it’s going to take men to fix it.

    I don’t believe the ‘waiting til 30’ is a bigger problem. I believe it carries the same weight as women having kids, multiple kids, etc (out of wedlock, one night stands, multiple baby daddies)…because, again, it excuses the actions of these women. Women are going to continue to justify riding the carousel for as long as they like….as long as society is giving them a pass. Take that pass away and women will straighten up real quick (because time waits for no woman, either).

  70. And even if they are open-minded, there is an overwhelming bias to blame the “sexually unsuccessful” men themselves for being sexually unsuccessful, and a bias in favor of this because after all “it’s a free market, right?”. I mean even *we* do this in the manosphere routinely, don’t we? The problem is that stating the issue as it really is comes close to saying men are victims of the system, in some way, which is a claim that rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way, including most of us. Most of us say that men just need to learn the reality and accept and adapt to it, make themselves more attractive competitors in the system and move on, because the systemic aspects are not subject to being changed.

    I know I’m just repeating myself here, but I’m convinced the real phenomenon here that is rubbing pretty much everyone the wrong way is the society-wide spread of male passivity or male disengagement, which manifests as MGTOW, the herbivore phenomenon, “Peter Pans”, “addiction” to porn and video games, underclass criminality and so on. I think most people are innately aware that society is under threat when male passivity is spreading so fast it’s almost becoming the norm in many social groups, because it’s impossible to have social stability and prosperity without the surplus wealth that can only be created by *active* men – i.e. men that are either married or are on a straight path towards marriage. And pretty much everyone loses when that stability and prosperity is lacking.

    This is the main reason almost everyone howls against male passivity: PUAs, feminists, “social conservatives”, you name it. Everyone besides the men that have already become passive, that is. PUAs seem to be particularly annoyed by this phenomenon, because it contradicts their faith in the coming golden age of “neomasculinity”, which is something they seem to be deeply invested in.

  71. höllenhund: Why would PUA’s care about the guys who aren’t doing pickup? I’d even say less people of their mindset is to their advantage. I’m also not sure how you define stability of society.

  72. This is now, .
    The headline explained it.
    Before Hypergamy explained/exposed Men always were warned marriage/ commitment is not for everyone.

    with all the Redpill and women’s Hypergamy being FIANALLY “decoded” = this is now.

    Ps
    Sun,
    How do you say/lecture this phrase in good English ?
    Do not get married (this is now).
    Do get married (that was then).
    I wonder what would Shakespeare say?.

  73. ” . . . the surplus wealth that can only be created by *active* men – i.e. men that are either married or are on a straight path towards marriage.”

    See my comment 5 or 6 articles ago where I mentioned that I was considering going ghost for a couple of years in order to get some shit done without women fucking it all up or burning it to the ground.

    Men are the dreamers and creators of wealth. Women are the dream killers and the destroyers of wealth.

    “Active” is virtually the definition of men in society. All that needs to be done to get active men is 1)allow them to be, 2)get the benefit from it.

    If men are becoming passive it is a symptom, not the disease.

  74. @Just Saying,

    Ha ha. Love it. What if men chased their mating strategy as ruthlessly as women currently are? How about unabashed indulgence of exactly what you (as a man) want? That’s what women are currently doing. Flip it. The third world’s 16-23 year olds would find themselves in some nice, new pretty dresses with their rent taken care of–all over the place, in the tens of millions. It’s happening in some places. Pattaya is the exact inverse of Bakersfield right now. It’s amazing how, even in the manosphere, there is a knee-jerk cringe factor (and a touch of shaming) when a guy openly espouses full-on male imperative mating strategies. To me, full throttle male imperative means access to 25 and unders, for as long as you want. It could mean other things to other guys. That ancient old dude trying to chew on Anna Nicole Smith can be our poster boy. Sheryl can be the poster girl for the female imperative. Btw, Sheryl seems to be quite well recovered from her husband’s death. Good for her. It’s good to see her bounce back from that tragedy. I’m a bit surprised the media hasn’t pursued that odd story very much. He fell on a treadmill, I guess. Case closed. I’m glad she seems to be recovering so well.

  75. “Attagirl. She seems to have bounced back quite well. Good on her! What a tragedy to lose a spouse. What a resilient woman!”

    A war bride. Current net worth $1.19 billion.

  76. Atticus,

    My condolences.

    My father passed away without suffering earlier this year. I don’t know if your father had more to give this world and his family before he left. My father died when he had accomplished his mission and had not much more to give to himself or others. He had accomplished his mission in life. I had solace in an essay by Free Northerner on his blog.

    http://freenortherner.com/2012/09/06/die-when-youre-done/

  77. Why would PUA’s care about the guys who aren’t doing pickup?

    Because they need validation from customers, disciples and customers in order to thrive. All those seminars, boot camps, DVDs, e-books and guides are to be sold for profit, otherwise PUAs run out of business. All those blogs and websites need supportive readers and commenters, otherwise PUAs can’t make money running online ads. There needs to be ever bigger masses of young men willing to emulate PUAs, otherwise PUAs will have to face the reality that social trends aren’t favoring their ideology, that they are preaching to an ever smaller choir as male passivity and disengagement from society becomes more widespread.

  78. If men are becoming passive it is a symptom, not the disease.

    Indeed. Generally speaking, people aren’t comfortable with the notion that young men have to be incentivized to behave in the way society wants them to behave. That’s why we’re hearing increasingly shrill complaints from all corners about “Peter Pans”, manboys, bro culture, pajama boys, porn addicts etc. – it provides a distraction from the disease you mentioned.

    The way society wants men to behave is to produce more than they consume, plain and simple. It’s something only they are willing and able to do. Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, bailouts etc. – someone will have to pay for all that shit, and you can bet your ass it ain’t going to be women.

  79. I’m also not sure how you define stability of society.

    It’s the opposite of what they have in, say, Libya, Syria, Yemen or South Sudan. Hopefully that explains it.

  80. I think PUAs greatest threat is…..an Anglo nation passport. A passport kills their whole deal. It’s CRAZY that guys are still trying to decode the psyches of stenchy cunted, high-T, 180 pound a-holes from Portland or Duluth or wherever when China, Brazil, Cuba, Romania are still on the map. CRAZY. CRAZY. As CRAZY as SJW movements…YES, THAT CRAZY. As crazy as a slutwalk redhead. Trying to ‘game’ some pig from Boise while Indonesia exists is as crazy as a slutwalk cutter.

  81. “Trying to ‘game’ some pig from Boise while Indonesia exists is as crazy as a slutwalk cutter.”

    I’m not entirely convinced that travelling from Boise to Indonesia to find some bint to pedestalize is exactly the hight of sanity either.

  82. @ kfg

    Concur, probably better/easier/cheaper to try in Coeur d’Alene, or even better Moscow.

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