Interview with Goldmund

Last week I got a tweet from fellow manosphere blogger Goldmund Unleashed informing me that he’d be making a slight detour to his ‘American Tour‘ as it were and he wanted to visit me in Reno. Far be it from me not to play the gracious host, I put him up at one of my clubs for a couple nights and we got together for dinner and talked a bit.

After we’d finished and were heading back to the club Goldmund asked if I’d be down for an impromptu interview. My time was limited, but I thought what the hell, and we ended up doing a quick half hour talking on the video of his SLR camera and a little mic he had. It was early evening and the high dessert was cooling off so I just pulled over to a spot I thought might do.

What follows here is what we discussed.

I generally don’t do video ‘appearances’, but Goldmund is doing what I can only describe as touring documentary of the manosphere as he makes his circuit around the United States, so I felt compelled to do this one. He’s making a herculean effort in this ‘On the Road’ trip and I had to make sure his stay here was comfortable and worthwhile. This isn’t some new foray in my going public; I thought my readers would appreciate this.

On Goldmund’s blog Jack Raynor left this comment and I thought it might make for an interesting discussion:

On the topic of being, instead of acting (which I’m 100% in agreement with), my current position is that this isn’t something that is possible for all men, or even “most”…

Just like the behavioral differences between males and females are the results of inborn traits (and these traits’ adaptations to the environment), not just “socialization” (the blank slate hypothesis), the behavioral differences from one male to the next are likewise the results of such inborn traits. These things can be…tweaked, but how far?

I, for example, have had an easy time with the red pill because I’ve have always had a rather shallow emotional response. My own brother, however, has always had a terrible temper. (He takes after my father much more in that regard.) As he’s matured he’s learned to get it under control a little, but it’s still there. He’s even gotten into Buddhism, but it hasn’t suppressed it completely. The difference between us is significant enough that he claims that I’m a natural born Buddhist, even though I don’t know the first thing about Buddhism…

This thought of mine originated while getting more involved in the conversation on r/theredpill. I’ve observed individuals who talk about the fact that, try as they might, they can’t get their emotions under control enough to keep up the act for long periods of time , much less to simply “be”.

Any thoughts on this?

Let me know what you think.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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When you’re in your mid-forties and you have kids, you love a man who treats you like a lady, who respects your children, who comes home when he says he will and who worries about putting food on the table. So yes, in midlife, my biggest turn on is a faithful, loyal, hard-working guy.

I Married My Soulmate After 50

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The horror, the horror!

Loved the interview! Thx much.

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You can meet all the physical and mental reqmts. and still lack the proper mind set.

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Being half Italian it’s always been easy to fall back on the “passionate emotional Italian” crutch when my emotions have gotten the best of me. After reading RM & 48 Laws of Power I of course have a very different opinion. A calmer, less reactive emotional state is among the greatest gifts given to me via the red pill. I often relate it to sports in my current line of work (psych nurse). Tim Duncan has a flat-line emotional state, and the results are abundant. In comparison, soccer super power Brazil hosted the World Cup last year; and their team… Read more »

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“I…well…what I was saying is I think that there is not even an expectation on the part of women to expect to have a masculine man, I think that they are already being raised and the are at a point where they are being…you know, pushed in a direction where they have to be the primary…” This is probably one of the saddest realizations for me for all the men in the so called 1st world, and for all men and women in general everywhere in the world. When I think about what I have watched on TV growing up,… Read more »

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cheupez -“And I am saying that the westerners owe it to humanity and the world in general to reverse the negative trends..”

Really? Why?

While I agree the west is pissing itself away I can’t even begin to fathom how we in the West owe single damn thing to rest of the world. The rest of world scolds the West, America in particular, for being colonists, and paternalistic, etc. and yet never is the hand not out begging for our charity. I ask you what is rest of the world going to do for us in return?

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@Badpainter At the risk of derailing the spirit of this thread; Ya. The rest of the world scolds the West for being colonialists… Yes. That is classic example of shaming. BUT,colonialism was actually beneficial to the shit holes people call “the third world”; but most “third world” hot heads will not accept that fact. This may have racist overtones but I dare spit it out all the same. In Kenya the railway that the Brits built is still the only Railway in use today, and some sections of it have even been rundown and abandoned. If the west goes down… Read more »

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On TRP there are lots of debates around mate guarding. As someone who has been married for a few decades to a very attractive woman, I have came to realize that mate guarding is beta behavior. I’ve been in vocal debates about “being alpha”, and guarding what is “yours” and knocking some guys teeth out. Well, truth is, if you have to mate guard, you aren’t her alpha. The reality is in most cases its just your turn anyway… If your woman is being flirted with by another man, and is receptive to his charms with you present, its you… Read more »

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cheupez – “At the risk of derailing the spirit of this thread…”

In the spirit of that allow me to thank you the explanation. Much as I would Iove to discuss the points you’ve made comment #8 is probably about 400 too soon for such an off topic deviation.

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I dont’t believe that it’s possible for many men to change their behavior in a “Red Pill” way, when they are already too deep in BP Modus! Between Man and Woman, we have a “War-like Situation”. Even after having read Red Pill Theory, a lot of men still believing in Marriage and having an old school family. Even more, most men have still a kind of neediness for these things. You are not really Red Pill if you have that neediness!! Monogamy is part of history, we are facing the so called serial monogamy! That means for me, that i… Read more »

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Is your wife a stay at home mother? Could this explain increased loyalty…

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I believe emotional regulation is the mark of a man and what separates men from boys.This is not the same as being emotionless: it is ok to feel anger, sadness, etc and to validate these as being a normal part of the human experience. However, to make decisions or irrationally react on emotions is a loss of frame control. Hence the need of a father to teach his sons emotional regulation. Failure to do so, via absence or neglect, will often lead to delinquency. (I am sure you have visited this topic before Rollo)

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@ Matt

There’s no loyalty for a woman. Her kind of “loyalty” is highly conditional and opportunistic

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Thanks @Badpainter. Ya. I didn’t want to open that can of worms yet. But I guess it is worth looking into… But I must admit that though this interview is very short, it is quite incisive. Rollo is talking about such serious stuff and yet able to put his points across with such a lazy smile and relaxed disposition. “…we have to lower the basketball hoops, so the women can do a slam dunk just as well as the men…” To be honest, I think some of the sentiments that Rollo attempts to articulate in that short interview are core… Read more »

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“the railway that the Brits built is still the only Railway in use today, and some sections of it have even been rundown and abandoned.” There was, while it was in use and until guns became the thing, an annoying problem with blacksmith clans removing whole sections of rails to turn into spears and such, facilitating their customers’ desire to slaughter and rob their neighbours more efficiently, in the time-honoured fashion. The railway had interfered with the local economy and deprived some of a decent living, as one of its effects was to reduce the value of caravans of human… Read more »

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Can people learn new ways of behaving? Yes. Can all people make large scale changes in their attitudes and frames of reference such as is being discussed here? No, I don’t believe so; which is why so many people are unhappy in their relationships. I think a significant number of men in their forties or late thirties were raised by the last (fragments of a?) generation of women that were not overwhelmingly steeped in feminist teachings. Probably more of us in the Midwest/South than along the coasts. These are the men who are the most emotionally troubled by today’s culture,… Read more »

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I’ll just add (hopefully for clarification) that while both age groups may at times feel anger, frustration, and confusion; the older ones also feel loss.

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“This thought of mine originated while getting more involved in the conversation on r/theredpill. I’ve observed individuals who talk about the fact that, try as they might, they can’t get their emotions under control enough to keep up the act for long periods of time , much less to simply “be”.” This troubles me from time to time as well. Started reading RM/RP blogs ~2 years ago, always have had a bad temper, and have made significant strides in lengthening the periods in between failed shit tests (used to fail them daily, then weekly, now its only about every ~3… Read more »

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@ Ace Yes I would agree, Cognitive shift and emotional control is harder for some than others. Physiologically, emotional control is related to the pre-frontal cortex which doesn’t mature until the age of 25. Evidence now points to excessive cannabis use in the teens as affecting the development of the latter and resultant lack of impulse control particulary anger. Aquired brain injury to pre-frontal cortex also tends to result in loss of emotional control. In addition, operant conditioning (learned behaviours), secondary gains (getting results), and beliefs about self identity (e.g. I am weak) can also maintain emotional reactivity. It follows… Read more »

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Just like the behavioral differences between males and females are the results of inborn traits (and these traits’ adaptations to the environment), not just “socialization” (the blank slate hypothesis), the behavioral differences from one male to the next are likewise the results of such inborn traits. These things can be…tweaked, but how far? I, for example, have had an easy time with the red pill because I’ve have always had a rather shallow emotional response. My own brother, however, has always had a terrible temper. (He takes after my father much more in that regard.) As he’s matured he’s learned… Read more »

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The following is based on observations which I am allowed to report I am sharing with Our Humble Narrator, whose teenage daughter is right in the mix, as he notes. WRT women no longer expecting to get a “masculine man”, men are being taught they shouldn’t do that, and the behavior patterns inreasingly are observable. I have noted before how instead of dating, there is just “hanging out” as a group of boys and girls. Proms and dances are no longer an event to make a one-on-one date. Friends just gather as a group and go. The peacocking of which… Read more »

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@Rollo I work professionally in video production. So the off-the-cuff production values make me a little crazy, heh. But aside from that I appreciated this. Basically, you’re giving a strong, brief overview of what frame is and isn’t, and how enacting it plays out in real life. I think that, at least in the early stages of digesting the red pill, men tend to mistake the delicate art of frame control – really the ability to create a strong coherent reality from the formless chaos around you, using sheer force of will – with simply being domineering and bossing people… Read more »

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BTW: a clarification – “I am allowed to report” is just me circulocuting generally. By that I mean only that I am seeing what I expect is a parallel to what RT now sees unfolding before him.

So it’s my guess at best. No telepathy or inside connection on my part.

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The comment in the OP by Jack is something I completely agree with. I believe it was also Glenn who also made a similar comment about this a while back. He said something to the effect of, “Just how feasible is all of this? Some of us are born into certain circumstances, and bodies which we won’t ever have complete control over. Some of us may change ourselves slightly but is that enough to persuade those around us?” Also, Heartiste himself acknowledged this partially in a post about the most game will do for a man and he also brought… Read more »

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I also would like to point out that women are realists and they tend to primarily appraise WHAT you already are, instead of WHO you are trying to be. While I do agree with the “burden of performance” principle, I believe it is men who value the performance of other men much more highly than if a woman were to appraise that of her own mate. Women will obviously always go for winners but at a core level, when she has options, are they honestly appraising him for his accomplishments or is there something more feral going on here(in terms… Read more »

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A couple degrees – but not completely off topic. I need some advice. My 12 year old boy is doing just fine. He is being chased by a lot of girls, including one he’s friends with, and they’re doing the sorta-dating thing that kids do now. My kid is a little red pill aware. His first crush flamed out pretty badly and I told him not to worry, there are plenty of other cute girls to be had. He seems to ahve taken that to heart. The current girl is a friend and he likes her, but she is absolutely… Read more »

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Nice. Well done. A very personable and amiable interview, of course with the bit of seriousness expected.

Also a smile towards Goldmund, who made it short and to the point (I also liked the Jack Donovan interview BTW).

Thank you for that, Rollo.

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@ ChocDoc My Way (though some here probably prefer Sinatra)

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Haha Andrew….yeah, i prefer it just like that!!

It’s my way or the highwaaaaayyyyyy lol

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” The Pareto Principle also comes to mind here. Some in the Manosphere think it’s bullshit or that it is overly simplified but i think it is the best law we currently have that ties into the SMP. It can be quite damaging to some men knowing that no matter how hard they will try, most will not make it to the top 20% in their lifetime. “…And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy fuckers and sad suckers, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may… Read more »

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Re: The interview. Very nice. Once again I would say to young men to listen to it a few times. What Rollo is putting forth may not come easily to most, but it is worth it. For some ( maybe many ) this stuff will take you out of your comfort zone. Fuck your comfort. Recall learning how to ride a bike? Did you fall? Did you then just give up and never don a bicycle again? Comfort. If you want comfort, but a nice Barco lounger. Nice point made by RT about preventing women from going feral. You really… Read more »

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“Can masses of men change? Certainly. Look at skinny jeans and men talking on phones 24-7 and using FB. Lol.” An astute observation. And I think illustrative of a man’s innate need for a purpose in life. The observation above is a substitute for purpose, it’s something but lacks substance. The FI’s success has eliminated a man’s sense of purpose: productive labor. All that remains is channeling that energy to being fashionable, and generating tingles. Neither of those are satisfying in the long term, neither hold any sort of self validating meaning. I think as the lack of substance in… Read more »

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Interesting interview in part 2. A few girls I was banging started “rebelling” which is the only word I can think of…they started lashing out at me for not being more “caring” more “attentive” or demanding more “equality”… They left. When I responded that “i’m the man you’re the woman”…I was met with a bunch of “you’re a sexist” type responses. I let them go. They claim they want someone essentially more “feminine”…and perhaps the fact so many OTHER guys are willing to assume that “equal” role that it becomes a struggle. I think your interview helps to stress that… Read more »

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Every man has his cross to bear. Its not helpful to look at the guy who has it easy. Anyways the guy who has it easy wont appreciate it. The world is full of people who started with a severe disability and they fought all the harder and went further than most because of it. IE James Earl Jones was a stutterer..now has one of the most famous most recognizeable voices in the world.

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“On the topic of being, instead of acting (which I’m 100% in agreement with), my current position is that this isn’t something that is possible for all men, or even “most”…” I wonder about this in regards to myself, and perhaps worry that it applies to me, that for all my reading, for all my intelligence, there are certain things I am just NOT going to get with Red Pill. Certainly not to the degree Rollo talks about where it is second nature, hell, even first nature. I have reading RM for a couple of years now, and have seen… Read more »

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@Seraph You’re having a mental block. If you over analyze a simple concept too much, it becomes muddled and impossible to act upon. I get when you say that you can understand the concept and not be able to ” feel ” it in regards to yourself. Sounds like you need a nice, quiet period of introspection. Nothing big or complicated, but you need to …how can I say it without sounding new-age-like….you need to get in touch with yourself, find yourself. If it’s not a normal part of your life, to get quiet and get inside yourself and do… Read more »

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“Sounds like you need a nice, quiet period of introspection. ”

Either that, or a good punch in the face.

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Seraph, Someone said to me recently: “…a man, at some point in his life, he has to stand on his own two feet and make his life and world what he wants it to be. He has to take on himself and his own limitations. It’s not easy and many men won’t, but (ed: changed the following words) …”in the manosphere”…, I’m interested in encountering other men who are up for playing the same tough game. Not quitters. Not whiners. Not guys who are pissed they can’t get laid, but won’t do anything about it.” I didn’t sleep in a… Read more »

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All, I see some good insights relating to my questions/issues were posted before I wrote my post. I will try to get to them if I can. @Rollo, I have both your books, and have read that post more than once. Thanks. You do got to do some lengths to explain it. Here is the issue for me. Your mental point of origin is really your own internalized understanding about HOW YOU YOURSELF FIT INTO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF FRAME. Therein lies my issue. I have NO fucking idea how I fit into my frame, or even what my fucking… Read more »

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“Sounds like you need a nice, quiet period of introspection. ”

Either that, or a good punch in the face.

Hah!

Fight Club!

That movie makes more and more sense to me.

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The debate concerning nature vs nurture ignores free will. The fear of innate limitations also ignores free will. Concerns about innate limitations are also used as excuses for not exercising free will. That being said, free will does not come freely. It must be deliberately employed. Developing self confidence at anything new takes time and comes only with practice. Reconditioning oneself after a lifetime or a childhood of this feminine socialization is not easy, quick or without difficulty. The difficulty most primairly occurs with maintaining oneself as the center of ones origin and not succumbing to so many prestablished lies,… Read more »

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Thanks for doing this interview Rollo, it’s very personable and it’s good to hear you speak frankly. I do believe that it’s difficult for a man to internalize the red pill. Most play the game which I consider the same as PUA scripts, then reveal their true blue pill underbelly. I am guilty of this myself. I have a easy time with ONS but keeping them around is difficult because I let out my true colors after a while. BUT… to clarify this ONLY happens with women who have a higher SMV than I do or “out of my league.”… Read more »

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” . . . women who have a higher SMV than I do . . .”

I have heard of these, but I have never met one.

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Seraph, “So perhaps the reason that I refuse to see my frame, Rollo and all, is that I don’t wish to embrace all that would entail. I would have to redefine the relationship dynamics in my entire life, and looking at that, I am saying: “oh, fuck…” Still, I creep toward it, because life as I am living it is not satisfying as I feel it should be, and I am less and less accepting of it.” You said it. It is all about ego investment. All you told yourself based on all what everybody told you growing up was… Read more »

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@SJF, I hear you. I do. I know I do because what you wrote made me a little annoyed: “Just get it? If I could just fucking just GET IT, I would. Fucking da-OOouche!” But, in the end, I get it. Talking about (writing about) shit has its limits. There needs to be do, do, do. In many ways, I am avoiding. I am avoiding making decisions, making choices, and risking. I think where you are a little harsh is not realizing that is easier for others based on experience/genes. I tried to explain this to Danny504 when he was… Read more »

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@SJW, You said it. It is all about ego investment. All you told yourself based on all what everybody told you growing up was wrong. Don’t fret your past life. Make it past triage. Google the term triage. You may make it or not. It is up to you. I get it. I resent and bemoan the past, but I am reluctant to break with it all the same. It has a certain comfort for all its discomfort. I am making progress, but I grow frustrated at it’s pace, particularly because I am on the latter half of the life… Read more »

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Ya. The rest of the world scolds the West for being colonialists… Yes. That is classic example of shaming. BUT,colonialism was actually beneficial to the shit holes people call “the third world”; but most “third world” hot heads will not accept that fact. This may have racist overtones but I dare spit it out all the same. You’re right to do so. I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again: sex realism (i.e. TRP) and race realism are inseparable. We can try avoiding the subject or race and coddle the feelings of anti-racists (i.e. anti-whites) as much as we want.… Read more »

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Seraph – “I did not got through that stage, it seems, and I find myself having lived to please other people (or not offend them at least).” But why? Were you motivated by a desire for approval or an attempt to avoid punishment? I always sought to avoid punishment. I tried to negotiate some level of forbearance or trust hoping to receive the “benefit of the doubt” when needed. I never got it. From a place of indoctrination wherein everything was my fault I retreated as much as possible from being a cause of anything and successfully found invisibility except… Read more »

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@Hoellenhund2 Sex differences exist. Definitely racial differences exist. Studies demonstrate that the Asians have high IQs, the whites somewhere in the middle, and the blacks low IQs. There are exceptions here and there but as rule, it is what it is. The races are not in the same boat when it comes to IQ (and many other traits too). However, reading through the RM, I realized that what I have experienced with women where I come from pretty much mirrors what Rollo lays out. It appears that women from all races will treat their men much the same way. So… Read more »

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I also have issues about all the terms and labels flying around in the menosphere. In my opinion, a man just can be really “alpha” when he is strong enough and persistent enough to fully go his own way. A real man has to be like that….the women saying A real man has to be like this…..the PUA people saying A lot of people want to manipulate (i.e control) men. Because only men can secure the high living standard we western people are enjoying. Everyone knows this and that’s why we men are all facing these shaming tactics..from friends, relatives… Read more »

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@ Not born this morning. I would agree with your points about free will and self improvement but only as a generalisation. The exception being severe and enduring mental illness, severe personality disorder and learning difficulties. The latter tend to limit the ability to self improve beyond a certain point. (Although there are of course also exceptions to the rule) Unfortunately, the argument that mental health vulnerability is genetic would mean that not all men are born equal but with differing potential for self-improvement. I would state then that most men are capable of great transformation but unfortunately not all.… Read more »

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I am a nature over nurture kind of man, for more reasons then could be listed. Free will seems to have a lot less impact the on most folks then modern thought is comfortable with. It’s a rare man who rises above his dysfunctional nature. I reckon most folks with fucked up lives come from fucked up genes. Where nurture comes is this; in a good situation a man can make the most of his life with his limitations Think back when we had an economy based on production, automation and immigration had not yet destroyed that sort of thing… Read more »

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“As you think, you shall become” – Monsieur Pook

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@SFC Ton, Good to hear from ya. Nature vs Nurture. I fall in the 50-50 category. I’ve read arguments on the side of both nature and nurture over a few decades, and both sides have valid points. I’ve seen too many exceptions to both rules to champion one over the other. IQ. not since Stormfront have I seen so many people harping on IQ… ( I joke a little..). If you put Stephen Hawking on a desert island for 2 weeks, all you’ll have is a very smart dead man. Anectdotal story #1080 . My dad had a auto bodyshop… Read more »

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Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

– George Clinton.

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@Blaximus

IQ

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Whoop, premature post

@Blaximus

IQ is a tool. Like a gun. You can use it to blast a motherfucker or to shoot yourself in the dick. Depending on if you’re an idiot or not.

And higher isn’t always better, with IQ or with caliber. Lots of dudes use it to get all caught up in their heads instead of applying it. Like building up vanity muscles in the gym you never use.

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@Forge

..Truth.

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Hi Rollo, On rereading Truth to Power a very inspirational post, I wanted to hear your thoughts on men with families such as my self choosing to travel on vacation alone. In your videos above you touched on masculine qualities (ie) men being in the driver seat around decision making. I have a wife you as with many women is cultured to try assume headship of the household with decision making even vacations etc. She doesn’t want to travel abroad as we have a 7 month old son where as I feel there is no reason why she should worry… Read more »

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Hey Seraph This shit’s tricky man. You need to tear yourself apart from the inside out, and to care more about become more yourself than you do about the pain. Killing the beta fucking hurts, the sucker fights like a demon. I had to bash it over the head again today and it really took the wind outta my sails. But it’s happening less and less as time goes by. I laughed at KFG above re: “” . . . women who have a higher SMV than I do . . .” I have heard of these, but I have… Read more »

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Why is it mostly men that die and fight in war? Men have honor.

Why is it expected that men provide for and protect women? Men have honor.

Why is it that primarily men work the life threatening, life shortening, dirty, dangerous jobs? Men have honor.

Why do women expect men to pay for their meals? Men are morons.

Why do women collect 90+% of alimony and child support. Men are morons.

Men have honor = men are morons.

Most of you will learn nothing from this post.

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“Most of you will learn nothing from this post.”

Indeed, directly proportional to the knowledge contained therein.

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Never ever give a woman your love. You need discipline to remove it out of your system. Here is the simplest reason why you should never love or be loyal : It’s like a job, you should love your job for the money only. you would loss your job if you don’t perform, you would be replaced if you don’t perform. Your boss never loved you, you should never love your boss either. You loss your job/wealth, you lose your woman too. Your woman loses her job/ wealth you don’t leave her . Even if you have a “quality” woman… Read more »

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“Indeed, directly proportional to the knowledge contained therein.”

There was a ton of knowledge in that little post, BadPainter. It’s the simple posts like that that inspire great change among the moronic masses.

Men Have Honor = Men Are Morons

Do you know how Bernard Madoff was able to scam so many thousands upon thousands of their wealth, blood, sweat and love? He simply showed them what they wanted to see and told them what they wanted to hear.

In just that one paragraph, most everything you need to know about life can be learned.

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Hey Tim, Nearly any system, well or poorly designed, diverse or specific in purpose, has a thumbscrew. Nearly any social circumstance or political system has a way, practically built in, to game the system. Men are no different. Their honor and idealism is brilliant and effective. It is also a potential lever for manipulation, for those with the inclination. PUA’s – good ones – tend to have tons of stories where they just did some douchey but dominant things in front of hot girls, and weren’t idiots with their social calibration, and the girls enthusiastically chose them over men with… Read more »

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“So learn what the system is here. And lay down your arms.” There is no “system”, Forge the Sky. I have nothing to lay down – I’m not an arms dealer. Though I loved all you wrote – and am glad you replied – you missed my point entirely. Wake up one Saturday and be happy no woman is there. Be satisfied in the knowledge that the entirety of the day is yours to do with as you wish. Be confident in yourself that you woke up alone and have forged your way on your own terms. Do with that… Read more »

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Here’s some real gold advice for you – MORONS! I post all over the Internets and have noticed one very, very important thing in particular. YOU READY, MORONS!? ARE YOU READY!? NO! YOU’RE NOT READY – MORON! YOU THINK YOU’RE READY – BUT YOU’RE NOT READY! I so hope you’re listening and that I’ve somehow grabbed your attention. Most men can’t grasp or accept what I’m about to post. Here goes: I regularly post on sites with information that is negative to women. I spend three hours on average per day posting information that works against women in dating and… Read more »

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Correction
“She loves her body ONLY and so should you.”

I don’t even think women love their bodies either.

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“Nearly all of what I write is removed from sites that disparage men and exalt women. Why do you think that is, future genius? ”

Because you have no idea how to make good use of your time.

“I hope I’ve reached you, men.”

I’m not sure I’ve got it yet, show me again how to suck eggs, son. After that, maybe you can show me how to tie my shoes.

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As in the last thread, and in this thread I’m bewildered how no one DARED to understand and comprehend Rollo’s honesty and graciousness about saying the truth about marriage.
A marriage strike by men is the only weapon against Hypergamy/feminists.

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To me marriage strike means nothing, I just know too much about women.
I pity men who still dwell on loving women and wanting to “travel” to find the holly grail.

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@Tim “Wake up one Saturday and be happy no woman is there. Be satisfied in the knowledge that the entirety of the day is yours to do with as you wish. Be confident in yourself that you woke up alone and have forged your way on your own terms. Do with that day what you want – regardless of women or the hunt. Don’t try to prove yourself to others. Prove that you – as an independent being – rule your own destiny. After you do that, do it again for another day, or two. Then a week, or two.… Read more »

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“@Tim, been there, blogged that…”

I was writing in a general sense. Rollo Tomassi is respected and admired all across the Internets. That you give me a space, without censor, to voice my humble opinion is a mark of your character and a testament to your integrity. Your site and words are an inspiration unmatched.

If I happened to repeat a response to an issue to which you’ve already covered, then I hope my opinion is charted as nothing more than a footnote to your own.

Everybody loves you, Rollo. Myself included. Thanks for keeping my posts.

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“Maybe lose the messiah complex? If there is a ‘way,’ it’s not gonna be found by preaching against the choir.”

The difference between me and others is that I believe you can separate yourself from women entirely and be a much happier and better soul for the wear. I believe women only add to the misery and pain of life for men.

I’m not a messiah – nor are women. I’m a simple individual just like you. I appreciate your thought provoking, honest reply.

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“I’m not sure I’ve got it yet, show me again how to suck eggs, son. After that, maybe you can show me how to tie my shoes.”

I hear you – wise one. I often write with the intention of reaching young men. You know – so they don’t fall into known traps. I forget that my words are sometimes offensive to men that have previously been to the circus. Please forgive my lack of respect and sometimes short sighted outlook.

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@Tim Great post. When trying to discuss something deep, the words fail most of the times, It is not every day that I read something deep expressed so clearly. You blog too? I tried to follow the Gravatar link to your profile but it did not seem to lead me anywhere. If you don’t blog, you should start. I will be reading. PS: When the tone is brash, it offends every one, not just the old timers. Even the young men will be offended too. And that is OK. Offence should be common place where men meet. And this is… Read more »

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Tim’s Wisdom Exposed: Things perps tell you that are most often untrue and that are meant to illicit a loss on your part and a gain by the perp in question (AKA – LIES THAT WOMEN TELL NAIVE, MORONIC MEN TO OPEN SAID MORONIC MEN’S WALLETS – JUST LIKE WOMEN PLAY NAIVE MEN THROUGH MARRIAGE): I love you. You’re my best friend. We’re family. If at any time a woman utters the above words, if you’re a man (non-lesbianonic), if you haven’t already, encrypt all of your secret info, leaving nothing to potential past, current and future interlopers. Prepare your… Read more »

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Hey cheupez, “When the tone is brash, it offends every one, not just the old timers. Even the young men will be offended too.” Thanks much for your reply, cheupez. I don’t blog. I’m a frequent commenter on many sites, however. Many a man before me has already said everything I have to say, so I’m happy with the thought that I might re-invent something that helps the younger guys avoid the pitfalls. My goal is to free men from the disaster of divorce and the life destruction that comes with it. I spend hours every day online hoping to… Read more »

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Mine isn’t a system………Mine is the way.

Excellent Posts, Tim

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” . . . DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE MASS MURDER OF MILLIONS OF MEN AT THE BEHEST OF THE PHUCKING GYNOCRACY . . .”

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@DeNihilist

Re: And The Beat Goes On (dating women out of your league)….
Very funny and pretty typical article.

How do young men “combat” this tactic?

Mine is simple: No women is out of my reach (or league).

This should be the thought process for any man until it’s second nature (down to your DNA or imprinted in your bones).

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re: I’ve observed individuals who talk about the fact that, try as they might, they can’t get their emotions under control enough to keep up the act for long periods of time, much less to simply “be”.

Any thoughts on this?

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My belief is that whether anyone else can change or not is irrelevant. All that matters to me is whether I believe that I myself can change — or not.

What do I believe about myself? Do I believe I can change or not? Do I believe that my life can be different from what it is right now or not?

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@Softek

“What do I believe about myself? Do I believe I can change or not? Do I believe that my life can be different from what it is right now or not?”

What are your answers to those questions?

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@ SJF

Yes, unequivocally.

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Bottom line: That the suffragettes said all that makes it clear that though male human moved on from thinking like animals, their female counterpart did not. Among the animals, the male that fights other males and wins is worthy of the female. That is what animals do. Lekking is male business. We are animals too? Watch the suffragette talk: “The male that does not believe that it should fight to the death for a female is not worthy of that female.” Sad. But on the other hand, I have seen girls fight for me. Physically. I don’t know where that… Read more »

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@Tim

There’s only one man you can save, and you look at him every morning in the mirror. Everyone else has to save themselves. The best you can do for them is just be an example that eventually makes them come to you and say “Hey, I’m trying to get my shit together and you seem like you’d know how.”

Until they have that moment on their own and decide to save themselves, there’s nothing you can do for them.

Serve as an example, not a lecturer.

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Rollo, would the surprise speaker really be a surprise?

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Personally, I’m allergic to ether, bats and conventioneers, but have a good one.

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Badass!

This would be an excellent birthday present for myself. If I lived anywhere near Vegas.

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I for one plan on being astonished at the identity of the surprise speaker.

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What with all the Kugler-Ross talk here:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1438094443-20150728.png

Posted today.

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Fred Reed came up with an excellent line this week:

“[Women] don’t understand men any more than a bear trap understands bears.

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@kfg

“Asking a woman how to be a man is like asking a fish how to be a fisherman.”

Forget who said that. Some manospherian.

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