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CH maxim: The feminist goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality

The following is a story from the Red Pill subredd:

My all too true story goes like this: years ago in my divorce my wife basically stopped having sex with me. The lack of sex was in line with her seemingly having a problem with anything I did (be it how I dressed, how I told jokes, and more). …Note: sex was once every two months or so if that.

I tried to talk to her about how it seemed we just weren’t getting along that well. She said we were getting along just fine. The only problem was me. Per my wife I had UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS about married life after 15 years of being together and with kids running around. Her work demands also helped make sex a low priority for her. She was too tired in the evening. The kids were up in the morning. The weekends were needed to catch up on house stuff and spend time with the kids. Vacations were also “kid” time. The twist she put on it was DIDN’T I LOVE THE KIDS?

Another problem I had (per my wife) was that was I was TOO SENSITIVE. My “whining” about the lack of sex and closeness was proof of this.

[Game note: If I were to consider another Iron Rule of Tomassi it would be this: Never complain, whine, negotiate, or otherwise attempt to appeal to a woman’s reason by explaining your need for sex, intimacy or “closeness”. Nothing demonstrates lower value and reconfirms a woman’s Beta perception of you than openly complaining, or explaining, about your sexless status.

This is not exclusively for married men. Rank Beta men will often make these “dryspell appeals” to female friends who then talk to their other friends and pass on your DLV impression to them.]

Unfortunately, I bought her story line and internalized it. I self-censored, essentially stopping my complaining about no sex and just accepted it. I was less accepting of her poor day-to-day treatment of me but even on that point I tried not to complain too much (not wanting to come across as “whiny”).

And I was pro-active about trying to make our marriage better. I tried my best to be positive about things. I even kept a diary to keep myself honest. I did more chores around the house. I more and more let her have things her way. And I was already in quite good physical shape. I made myself even more so.

And the end result of all this? Turns out my wife had been having secret affairs for years. She was having sex 4 or 5 times a week with her lovers (lunch time, quickies after work in a park, the beach locker, the driveway at night, etc.) Her story line on “my problems” had mostly just been bullshit to keep me at bay so she could continue her secret affairs. As she told me at the tail end of our divorce in a moment of candor, the “forbidden fruit” of extramarital sex was “very exciting”. Her longest term lover (3 years) had just been a play thing and only ended when he asked her to marry him (not realizing he was also being “cheated” on with another lover my wife had).

Next up is TRM reader Razorwire who came strong with this comment from the Adaptations II thread:

[…] I’d say by now the societal and personal risks are negligible for pretty much any decision made by women. So these days, the delay of the beta-bucks model is extended to encompass a starter marriage or having children. The cuckold window is wide open.

I’ve seen this in fellow genXers who actually married young (by todays standards) but of course those men turned out to be jerks or were too irresponsible or selfish (all of the things that got her wet) so they divorced and she quickly locked down the beta-bux who was likely her “friend” back in college or some “nice” co-worker she met in her three-year career with the insurance company.

I went to one such wedding a couple of summers ago. Now that they have a kid and she’s realized the full potential of the AF/BB transition, she can’t (or doesn’t bother to) hide her disdain for his niceness and general lack of alpha behavior. He’s a dead man walking.

On that note, I caught a trailer of an upcoming Will Ferrell film: “Daddy’s Home.” Frames it up nicely.

While I’m sure they will have some hollywood make-believe ending in which the biological dad realizes his loss, has to confront manhood (as defined by the FI), and is jealous/admiring of the stepdad for his honorable provisioning of the kids, the interesting part of the trailer was how it focused on the two “dads” competing for the love and attention of the kids. I’m sure it is funny, but also telling.

Not only is the Sandberg stepdad supposed to be a just-in-time dad to fulfill the equalist needs of the post-wall (and in this case – post reproduction) wife, but he is also expected to pedestalize and perform for the offspring of the cad in order to earn (and keep) his place as the settle-down guy in the eyes of the wife. He must keep winning his way through the consolation bracket for a wife who has not just achieved the AF/BB transition, but has done so after capturing the genetics of the Alpha. He doesn’t even “get” the beta bucks prize of breeding.

The dwindling societal pressure to honor marital commitments and minimal shame of divorce has allowed the delay of beta bucks to blow past birth control in terms of prevention into what is now birth control in terms of actualizing female preference for the AF offspring – with rapidly decreasing risk/impact on her ability to secure the Beta Bux stepdad or post-baby-daddy husband (because now marriage means something to her.)

With, of course, big daddy gov’t as a stand in. But I’d reckon that the attractive single moms are not struggling at all to parlay into BB.

Because they aren’t his kids the stepdad’s burden of performance includes purchasing/exchanging resources for the children’s love which is one more condition he must continually meet in order to maintain her conditional love. Talk about a fleeting proposition.

Peruse any online dating site and you will see the teaser advertising for this coming from all single moms. It’s really just “must love dogs” on crack but often with more bait n switch mechanisms.

Meanwhile the perpetual competition (between you and him) merely deepens the resource pool for her to leverage into her lifestyle and security.

One man is operating under the threatpoint of divorce, the other under the legal extortive aspects of the post-divorce financial fatherhood model. Both must pay to play. Both are subject to her approval, her terms – backed by the social and legal structure. As such, neither are actually fathers, but just offshoots of motherhood channeled through provisioning and conditional exchanges.

I’d say even with the extensive provisioning (the kids in this flick have it all), the kids are still getting the shit end of it. Two marginalized dads is still less than one Father, one marriage. They are just being indoctrinated into the consumerist, fem-centric, self-indulgent model of modern marriage.

A mom who goes full AF/BB with kids in tow may get sold as the heroines journey, but it still strikes me as deeply selfish.

We had an interesting discussion in this thread about modern cuckoldry and the rise of it becoming ‘fetishized’ for men as some new form of ‘alternative’ lifestyle. I’ll get into the grisly biological nuts and bolts of this later, but before I do the practical reasonings for a societally acceptable cuckoldry need to be highlighted.

I chose Razorwire’s comment and the story above to illustrate a fundamental Red Pill truth – Hypergamy is nothing if not pragmatic.

In a larger respect, a woman optimizing Hypergamy follows a predictable schedule, but as Razorwire points out, on a psychological level it also builds fail-safe contingencies into that schedule. Root level, largely subconscious, survival/parental investment insecurities and long term insurances against them drives this pragmatism. Thus we see operative social conventions carefully prepared to excuse and absolve women’s duplicitous behaviors in both a social and personal scope.

What benefits a female sexual strategy is forgivable and prudent in a fem-centric social order no matter what the personal consequences are. Women’s default victimhood status is their strongest insurance against those consequences while what benefits men’s sexual strategy is characterized as selfish, juvenile or criminal. These characterizations, and the social conventions that are an extension of them, are part of the pragmatism of Hypergamy.

When you look at the time line I presented in the Preventative Medicine book and series, and you get to the stages just before and just after a woman’s Epiphany Phase – the phase at which a woman’s subconscious understanding that her SMV decline has begun in earnest – you begin to see a bigger picture; a meta overview of the necessity of keeping Blue Pill men ignorant of their long term role in that strategy.

While women increasingly embrace Open Hypergamy and become increasingly more confident of their capacity to satisfy both sides of it (AF/BB) due to a presumed expectation for men to also openly support it, there comes less expectation to try to optimize Hypergamy with only one man.

The Future of Hypergamy is Cuckoldry

The following quote came from a fantastic essay one of Heartiste’s readers, Chris, submitted regarding the recent gay marriage ruling:

I don’t know many men who would sign up to an institution where the partners are expected/morally obliged to be emotionally faithful but not sexually faithful. It is much easier for women to get casual sex than men, so any man signing himself up to that deal would be signing himself up for cuckoldry and cuckoldry is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a man pursuing a long-term mating strategy, (and it is the evolved moral norms surrounding the long-term mating strategy which marriage as a cultural institution is/was developed around/for.)

Of course, if people became more knowledgeable about evo-bio/evo-psych and instead started calling marriage essentially what it is, the social-codification of the long-term mating strategy in humans, then this concern wouldn’t really matter. (No worrying about importing norms anti-thetical to the reproductive interests of one party in the relationship and subsequently which disincentivizes the pursuit of the strategy from that party as its definition is strictly evo-bio/evo-psych.)

In The Myth of the Good Guy I put forth the idea that while women would ideally like to have both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of Hypergamy satisfied by the same man, women today don’t even have the expectation that this is in anyway possible, much less is it preferable to them anymore. The expectation becomes one of the Sandberg plan; expect to bang the bad boys, the Alphas and the thrill providers while your SMV is high, and expect a good, persistent and reliable ‘Dad’ to be ready to forgive and forget all that before you’re 30.

What Chris digs into in that essay isn’t so much about gays being married, but rather the fundamental restructuring of the nature of marriage. Religious issues only serve as a convenient distraction, the nuts and bolts of it is that this edict fundamentally restructures the legal aspects of male/female marriage. When this restructuring questions and impedes the access to long-term resource provisioning for divorced women (initiators of 70+% of divorces), that’s when you’ll see a truly misandric inequality in hetero vs. homosexual marriage arrangements. Men will still need to be forced into indenturement and forced to cooperate with a binding commitment to Hypergamy in the face of alternative marriages not based on monogamy.

Indeed, what man would sign up for that arrangement? Particularly in an era when women (not the Red Pill) blatantly lay bare the duplicity of their sexual strategies.

Limiting Dick

Around the time I was writing the second book I’d gotten into a Twitter debate with several feminists on a hashtag called #askmenanything or something to that effect. The pretense was of course to “ask men” all the insipid meme questions and answer them for men with feminist boilerplate. Once the Red Pill forums and manosphere proper got involved the tag quickly switched footing and feminists lost interest.

It was during one of these exchanges that I’d quoted Heartiste’s maxim from the start of this post to a particular feminist; Feminism’s end goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.

Her response was an incredulous, “So you think all feminism is about is limiting dick?!”

It was of course the type of simple dismissive I’ve come to expect from the fem-powerment generation, but it sums up the dynamic pretty well. It’s always been my take that feminism in all of its waves has always been another social arm of the Feminine Imperative; which has always been an imperative driven by the best interests of optimizing women’s Hypergamous choices.

So yes, feminism is in fact about ‘limiting dick’ by socially, legislatively, personally and psychologically facilitating the selecting out and opting in on what best serves a woman’s short term and long term sexual strategy needs – throughout her entire life, not just around her Epiphany Phase. She needs the Alpha bull for his raw sexuality, dominance and confidence, and she needs the Beta comfort, investment and reliability that her bull is unwilling or unable to give her.

In this new age of proactive and reactive cuckoldry, men are expected to put up and shut up with playing the role of one or the other. In our thread conversation about cuckold fetishes the idea was put out that there’s some sick or deviant mindset in which a man gets off on watching his wife get pounded by another man. Keep in mind the possibility that the rise in popularity of cuckold porn may be an extension of this new paradigm.

The cuckold fetish narrative follows the same Hypergamous script as any other “alternative lifestyle”. As I mentioned in the Adaptation series, even within the ostensibly Free Love paradigm the same Hypergamous imperative was played out. In cuckold porn there is always an Alpha bull, a ‘superior’ sexual competitor that fucks that man’s wife; an inferior Beta sexual partner is never the tingle generating center of that fantasy. Thus that husband plays his expected passive, supportive role within that “fantasy” and thus is that wife’s dualistic Alpha Fucks sexual strategy completed.

That’s the messy nuts and bolts of it, but it’s all too easy to get caught up in the sensation of our blood boiling in righteous indignation than to see the larger perspective. This too is a part of the pragmatism of Hypergamy.

Cuckoldry is not simply about who got to breed with a woman before or after she settled into a committed monogamy; it’s about the consistent impulse to optimize Hypergamy. It is cuckoldry for a man to assume the parental investment responsibilities of another man that a woman previously bred with. It can be proactive or it can be reactive, but the purpose it serves is the same.

Few people really grasp how outrageous it is for a man to take part in his own cuckoldry. We call those men heroes for playing savior to a woman who made “bad choices” and invests himself in a child he didn’t father, but even this association has become yet another expectation of the dutiful Beta’s role. A conditioned White Knight disposition makes him feel good about it, but it’s a woman’s strategy that comes to completion, not his own. A bull was in his bed long before him.

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Fred Flange, MansLaughter
Fred Flange, MansLaughter
10 years ago

@Badpainter: Saw the Exmanimer piece (misspelling deliberate), pure clickbait. Remember that goofy bills get innerdooced all the time, for shits, giggles, and press releases aimed at the True Faithful. It’s when a bill gets reported out of committee that you need to look more closely. And even then the Senate would kill it, if somehow it ever could get there. The Repubs House majority would kill it faster than Dick Cheney shooting his friend in the face. There’s another simple PC reason this bill will die: newly gay marrieds are super-chuffed at being able to call each other “husband” and… Read more »

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Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
10 years ago

Variant of the 1970’s clumsylogism “POSSLQ”
Got it Fred; a person the now marriage-resistant Swedes call (regrettably) a “sambo” (=same-abode, first noticed it myself in the 80s, therefore older), or what we also unmarrying upper islanders have “always” known as a “bidey-in” (=abides-within). But invariably oppo-sex, what with us being all traditional and such.
An irregular cohabitation setup generally recognised but not legally founded, and mistakenly referred to by The Authorities as common-law marriage (i.e. you’re on the hook as far as we’re concerned mate, tough).

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

@ Fred

I’m less concerned with actual law, and the fuckery of politicians, than the implications for the FI’s long war on men/masculinity. It’s like the nonsense I linked about consent being an ongoing thing long after the act in question. The broader implications for the consensus of how we speak of reality changes the social structures we have to navigate in.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

If it is determined that a chick is truly BPD the correct course of action is to exit stage left, post haste. There is never any guaranteed long term happiness or contentment in wrestling some seriously off kilter woman into ( what will be temporary) submission. Don’t be lured in by moments and flashes of sanity displayed by her, or crazy mind bending sex. Avoid trying to fix her broken parts. Okay, maybe if this was just a friend that you have no sexual or long term interest in as a potential partner or mate. IMO, it’s hard enough dealing… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
10 years ago

I’ll listen to the gaffer’s vid after midnight Sam, when my ISP goes unmetered. If I can stay up that long, it’s a dirt-facing role tomorrow early. Thanks.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

…but that was an amazing piece of ass.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“He survived and no charges were filed because she was ” defending herself “.”

Yeah, you just might find yourself having to “defend yourself” against someone you’re trying to stab. Funny how that works, innit?

lh
lh
10 years ago

“She was a completely different person. So, I go in apologizing at mach 2. She apologized and said she didn’t know what got into her. Right at that moment an interrogation commenced. Do I love her? How much? Did I want marriage at some point? Before college or after? ”

That’s just a bunch of shit-tests, triggered by you apologizing. If you fail and lose frame, you should indeed leave.

“So I restrained her. It was like holding on to a 5’6″ bag of angry cats.”

Semi-good. Better spank or downright beat her. And don’t feel bad about it.

kobayashii1681
10 years ago

@Caveclown – I hear you…But this is here in Kenya. Shit is absurd, I’m sure men woke the fuck up and realised they had to have their own way in order to know whether the cuckold carousel was making an appearance in their lives….and if it was, to get the fuck out of dodge. I’m sure men set-up these private clinics. Tests take 2 weeks. My boy was a bit disappointed as he had bonded with the boy, but his red pill glasses are also telling him, “Ok!….not my fucking problem anymore…NEXT!” This experience has definitely solidified his red pill… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Blaximus

She’d stabbed her husband 5 times. He survived and no charges were filed because she was ” defending herself “.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/6463-oh-dear-god.gif

Women good, men bad = enabling this shit.

Feminism’s success in painting women as the victims by default actually prevents them from getting much needed psychological help.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

If you think you have taken a BPD into your frame, you have been taken into her frame. That is one of the defining characteristics of BPD and the reason many psychiatrists will refuse to treat them. They do not enter a therapeutic relationship to get therapy, they do it to game the therapist.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

Actually, makes me think of Chris Titus talking about his dangerously psychotic mother:

A Definite Beta Guy
10 years ago

Intelligent talk about politics (or shit just about anything) is underrated. Your elite would be in the intellectual dark ages without it and these crises would be a lot worse. The play you get about Mattress girl in the media comes from the fact that a bunch of economics guys were tangentially related to Red Pill commenters on their blogs.

Striver
Striver
10 years ago

I have never found crazy attractive. Despite all of the Red Pill business here, there is a lot of “quest” crap under the surface. It’s entertaining and all that, but there is a flip side. Boredom and laziness are facets of the human experience as well. How many things were invented because someone got sick of doing things the old way, or bored with it? Let me be done with it, I’m too lazy to do all this work, so I’ll invent something where I don’t have to. It helps if you respond better to negative stimuli than positive. Which… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Striver So past a certain age, the crazy and problem chicks are over represented when guys go out and try to hook up or do LTR, because those chicks are out on the market more than the easy to deal with chicks. Just the way it is. They all have Hypergamy running in the background. But, I do agree that you’re correct: the ones who were taught to select properly and be feminine and feel no (feminist) shame in being a woman get off the market right after college. Rarely do they come back on it. If they do, it’s… Read more »

lh
lh
10 years ago

Don’t fall for the myth of the “quality women”. My longest LTR was with one. AWALT, It’s the same program running, it’s just more hidden. If you don’t perform, bad things will happen too. They might go “making up for missing out” later or their lack of affection will drag you down. With the crazies you at least see and understand what’s going on. You’ll get much clearer feedback. They keep you awake, sharp and trained.

Don’t wish the game would be easier, wish you were better.

rock chick ~
rock chick ~
10 years ago

I stumbled onto your site through reddit and have been reading it for a while, so much that when I saw the trailer to this new Disney movie the last bit of the trailer reminded me of this site lol https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_MC3XuMvsDI

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  rock chick ~

@Badpainter “The broader implications for the consensus of how we speak of reality changes the social structures we have to navigate in.” I really appreciate this site and forum to help me regain some aspect of my humanity. @kfg “Yeah, you just might find yourself having to “defend yourself” against someone you’re trying to stab. Funny how that works, innit?” http://m.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3501785369 “They do not enter a therapeutic relationship to get therapy, they do it to game the therapist.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ArmytaGTpdI&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=buffere2fbb&utm_campaign=buffer&feature=youtu.be&utm_medium=social @Sun Wukong “Feminism’s success in painting women as the victims by default actually prevents them from getting much needed psychological help.”… Read more »

xxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx
10 years ago

Can I offer an alternative possible explanation for “cuckoldry” that is not fem-centric ? “Cuckoldry” served the purposes of men and the societies they built and defended, but only in cases where there was agreements/arrangements and understanding between the men involved (men related by blood in the first instance). After all, in the times of “Patriachy” it was very very difficult for women to pull stunts like that, unless they were nobility and protected/aided/abetted by powerful male relatives. Think about it. Why should a strong, healthy, resourceful and effective fighter put his life and limb at risk to build a… Read more »

anonymous
anonymous
10 years ago

Prima nocta. GBFM explained it. None of us gets a women (for marriage) who has not been with at least 12 bulls today.

pool side rather then cubical slave!
pool side rather then cubical slave!
10 years ago

Rollo, not sure if you’ll ever read this but this summed up my life perfectly before I learned about You and Roissy and Roy Baumeister. 3.90 GPA… virgin… prepping to be a “provider” then saw the light and realized I was sitting on an untapped goldmine being 6’4″ with a big dick and a very wealthy family. After 3 years I hit the jackpot thought I am certainly not productive for society any longer but fuck it, I’m living life for myself and enjoying it! Never been happier or less stressed out in my life and after 3 years am… Read more »

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10 years ago

[…] granted, all of this comes back to the subconscious expectation of cuckoldry women place on the men they cast in the passive, supportive role. Women don’t expect the Beta […]

Opus
Opus
10 years ago

Cuckolding is the outsourcing of Sexual Intercourse.

M Simon
10 years ago

I saw an Alpha/Beta relationship work once. My Mom and Dad. Dad did all the usual Alpha tricks “Look at those tits.” He was a natural. He was also the consummate Beta house guy. (some evenings and most weekends) So how did they get it to work? My mother was able to do something “modern” feminism is not ready for. In fact they no longer know how. SURRENDER to my Dad. What used to be taught to women: Find the right man (your family will restrict you in some cultures). Surrender to him. Surrender to the wrong man can be… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“Dad did all the usual Alpha tricks “Look at those tits.” He was a natural.”

My last ex used to give me an elbow and a “look at those tits,” just to make sure I didn’t miss them.

If it weren’t for the BPD which she eventually turned to self-medicating with alcohol she would have been a keeper.

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9 years ago

[…] During the Q&A section of the Man in Demand talk I gave back in September I was asked about where I believed the social dynamic of Open Hypergamy would lead. In specific the idea was proposed, and I agree, that the logical next step for a social order founded on feminine Hypergamy and one that prioritizes the female sexual strategy as preeminent would lead to a state of openly accepted cuckoldry. […]

rugby11
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8 years ago

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