Building Better Worlds

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I had an interesting conversation this week with my good friend Ray and a couple of my designers, Sadie and Sam (names changed to protect the innocent). Just a little background first; Sadie is the Japanese woman I mention in Mental Point of Origin. She’s been divorced once and her relationship history is one punctuated by her involvement with Beta men.

She’s is the definition of the opportunistic concept of female love, but her frustration comes from never having been able to consolidate on an optimized Hypergamy – she simply doesn’t have attractiveness or feminine pleasantry to generate the Alpha interest that would satisfy her. Thus, she attracts Beta orbiters looking for some low hanging fruit, and force-fits them into a contextual Alpha frame. In other words, she opportunistically entertains the Betas with provisioning potential and hopes they’ll man up into dominant Alphas. Thus far she’s been disappointed.

Sam is a gay man in his early 30s who makes a good living afforded by not having children and possessing a high calibre technical skill set. He’s got the outgoing, “look at me, I’m special because I’m gay” exuberance I expect from gay men, but he’s not flamboyant and can still be professional when he has to be. He’s been “dating” a new guy for a while now and has moved this guy into his home recently. He took part in our conversation because the issues of sharing resources, money and picking up half the rent (in his case mortgage) in a relationship came up.

Ray has been one of my best friends for over 15 years now and he’s the guy I mention in Good Girls Do. He’s worked for me directly or indirectly for most of that time and he’s notorious for starting conversations like this when we have downtime. He’s a firestarter, it’s what I like about him, and among the three he’s the only one who knows my online reputation. Ray is Red Pill aware so he knows how to prompt a controversial conversation with me when we’re in mixed company.

Ray: “RT, hypothetical question…”

RT: “Do I have to?”

Ray: “Let’s say you move your girlfriend in with you…”

RT: “Let’s say I don’t and I would never do that. End of hypothetical.”

Ray: “No, I know, but, say you did, and let’s say your rent is $1,000 a month. Would you tell your girlfriend ‘Hey the rent is $1,000 a month how about you pay $300 and I’ll pay $700 or would you say 50/50?”

RT: “No. I’d pay it all myself. I’d also be sure that only my name was on the lease.”

Sadie:”What? Why, that’s silly?”

Ray: “You wouldn’t expect any contribution?”

RT: “No. I wouldn’t turn it down if she took it upon herself to contribute, but I wouldn’t expect it from a girl I (foolishly) brought into my living arrangement.”

Sadie: “You wouldn’t expect her to pay half?”

RT: “No. If I can’t provide my own $1,000 rent or food, or to keep the lights on, I have no business bringing a woman into that arrangement. If I have more than enough for myself I don’t need her paying. Besides, if she’s that into living with me, she’ll want to contribute in other ways and I wont have to ask.”

Sam: “You don’t think it should be an equal split? Maybe that’s a man and a woman thing…”

RT: “Yes and no. I’m sure between you and your boyfriend there’s a more dominant personality right?”

Sam: “Yeah, me.”

RT: “And you probably make more money too. So there’s really no ‘equality’ when it comes down to it.”

Sadie: “I expect my boyfriend to pay half the rent.”

RT: “Of course you do, because women think in terms of equality when it works to their advantage. What if your ‘boyfriend’ could pay for all the rent, utilities and most of everything else? Would you still try to pay half?”

Sadie: “Yes of course.”

RT: “What if he only paid just half and you knew it was a better deal for him?

Sadie: (tentative) “Yes,…”

RT: “I doubt that, but what you’re saying is that you’d limit improving your way of life to maintain a belief in equality.”

Sadie: “All the guy’s I’ve lived with have been mooches.”

RT: “Which explains why you’re not living with them any more. It goes both ways, women don’t respect men they need to support. All this stuff about equality in relationships is nonsense.If your boyfriend could easily make rent while you struggled to come up with it you’d resent him for it. There is no equal division.”

Sam: “I guess I see what you’re saying, but the expectation is still the same even for me and [boyfriend].

RT: “There is no equality in a relationship, but there can be complementarity where either person’s benefits can offset the needs of the other.”

Ray: “So you and Mrs. T aren’t 50/50?”

RT: “Ray, I make about 4 times the money that she does, how is there ever going to be anything like equality with that kind of balance?”

Ray: “But what about chores and shit?”

RT: “I take care of the outside of the house, she takes care of the inside. I do the smelly dirty jobs, she keeps the fresh cleaning ones, it’s not rocket science.”

Sam: “Sounds like you just want to stay in the power position.”

RT: “Yes, but it’s only a power play if you’re exploiting your partner. Women like to say they want an equal partner, but they don’t, do they Sadie? They want someone to respect and look up to. So when that comes down to numbers, to money, what’s really holding you together? Love? Mutual interests? (at Sam) Right now you can’t help but be the more dominant one in your relationship. So do you stop being so just to balance things? Do you expect [boyfriend] to pick up the slack more?

The Cardinal Rule of Relationships

In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

This principle isn’t so much about ‘power’ as it is about control. This might sound like semantics, but it makes a difference. It’s very easy to slip into binary arguments and think that what I mean by the cardinal rule of relationships is that one participant must absolutely rule over the other – a domineering dominant to a doormat submissive. Control in a healthy relationship passes back and forth as desire and need dictate for each partner. In an unhealthy relationship you have an unbalanced manipulation of this control by a partner. Although control is never in complete balance, it becomes manipulation when one partner, in essence blackmails, the other with what would otherwise be a reinforcer for the manipulated under a healthy circumstance. This happens for a plethora different reasons, but the condition comes about by two ways – the submissive participant becomes conditioned to allow the manipulation to occur and/or the dominate initiates the manipulation. In either case the rule still holds true – the one who needs the other the least has the most control. Nowhere is this more evident than in interpersonal relationships.

When I was writing this post many years ago I hadn’t fully considered how this rule interacts with, and contradicts, many of the tenets of egalitarian equalism. The idealistic state of that equalism is one in which two co-equal, yet independent people come together in a perfect union of balance. In theory that balance should account for resources, emotional investment, family considerations, as well as intellectual and social status aspects of either partner.

These considerations alone should be enough to illustrate equalitarianism as the manipulative farce it is, however, all we really need to do is take into account the Cardinal Rule of Relationships. It’s very easy to be accused of being controlling when you embrace the truth of this rule – and particularly so when the reigning social undercurrent is one in which everyone ought to be co-equal rational actors.

I expected to have that leveled at me in this conversation, but it’s important to bear in mind the real nature of power. By my own definition, power is the degree of control we exercise over the direction of our own lives. As I mentioned, I don’t mind being the more powerful partner in terms of resources in my marriage because I accept that stupid notions of maintaining anything like “equality” is simply infeasible. I know more than a few men who’ve sold their lives’ potential away in the belief that they should lessen themselves in order to support a more balanced, equalist ideal. Ultimately their relationships, marriages and families suffer because they never own that potential – just the idea of owning it is a source of guilt and shame.

For all of the bleating about more equitability being needed between men and women. the fundamental truth is that it’s neither a realistic nor workable state. I’ve used money for my illustration here, but this applies to many other facets of an intersexual relationship. From an equalist perspective this sounds a lot like a want for creating a condition of dependency, but in truth it is an unachievable state of egalitarianism that creates a never-satisfied state of dependency.

Her World or Yours?

If you go back and look at the video from Bachelor Nation you can see the dichotomy that presumptions of “equality” sows in western(izing) women today. Within the first 6 minutes of the video we see the internal contradictions inherent in women. There is a want for an idealized equal pairing, but yet a desire for a man to be a Man. The documentary finds the root of this dichotomy in modern resource imbalances between the sexes, and makes the predictable appeal to men not living up to their burden of performance. The male shame comes in contrasting women’s taking on what should be men’s performance burdens – the male obligation to which ironically flies in the face of anything like true egalitarian equalism.

Stay-at-home dads, house husbands, and anything relatable will always have a stigma attached to them in spite of any weak attempts to make them socially acceptable. That stigma is founded in a limbic-level understanding of men’s burden of performance; to be a Man is not just to produce sustainable resources, but to provide a surplus of those resources.

I recently read a poll sponsored by Forbes magazine that listed men’s top goals in life and for the first time in that poll’s history “a good physique” outranked all personal and financial ambitions for top executives. The predictable shame then followed that men aren’t “Manning Up” any more, and they’ve become vain, self-absorbed narcissists for a new focus on what image they present.

The obvious Red Pill conclusion is of course a realignment with the prevailing social perceptions (courtesy of the Feminine Imperative I might add) that women are out-earning men financially and educationally; thus the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy takes precedent. If America’s top execs are heeding the message of Open Hypergamy, why bother establishing yourself financially, academically, ambition-wise or otherwise?

The problem with this equation is evident in the Bachelor Nation video. I can understand the sentiments of MGTOW; if the opinions expressed by the quality of woman represented in the video are any indicator of a female zeitgeist it makes the idea of abandoning the Game altogether that much more appealing.

That said, and I’m going to dare to get prescriptive here, I believe that establishing yourself as an independent Man should be your top priority. I have no doubt that that sentiment will get convoluted with feminism’s Strong Independent Woman® meme, but lets clarify something first – the ideal that men ought to be strong and independent has always been the precursor to his quality as a man. Independence, self-sufficiency and determined ambitions have always been the hallmarks of a man comfortable with his burden of performance. Only in women is independence a novelty.

Yet now, in men, this independence is not just a novelty, but it’s been distorted into being an obsessive-compulsive sign of a man’s imagined insecurities. The very strength and independence men have always been expected to embody is the domain of women, while any hope for it from men is a sign of a fragile ego.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.

I firmly believe Alpha is a mindset. That mindset can get the poorest son-of-a-bitch laid with the right application, tact and circumstance. That’s a tough pill to swallow when you work your ass off in the belief that your affluence and status should be the metric Alpha is judged by and women respond to. That’s also not to say affluence and status won’t get you laid by their own merit, it’s just the context in which that happens that makes the difference. There are many men who’ve found their retroactive cuckolding after having based their personal successes on the presumption that those successes should be the basis of his quality to women.

The concept of frame covers a lot of aspects of our daily lives, some of which we’re painfully aware of, others we are not, but nonetheless we are passively influenced by frame. What concerns us in terms of inter-gender relations however is the way in which frame sets the environment, the ambience, and the ‘reality’ in which we relate with both the woman we sarge at a bar and the relationship with the woman we’ve lived with for 20 years. One important fact to consider, before I launch into too much detail, is to understand that frame is NOT power. The act of controlling the frame may be an exercise in power for some, but let me be clear from the start that the concept of frame is who’s ‘reality’ in which you choose to operate in relation to a woman. Both gender’s internalized concept of  frame is influenced by our individual acculturation, socialization, psychological conditioning, upbringing, education, etc., but be clear on this, you are either operating in your own frame or you’re operating in hers. Also understand that the balance of frame often shifts. Frame is fluid and will find its own level when a deficit or a surplus of will is applied to change it. The forces that influence that lack or boost of will is irrelevant – just know that the conditions of an operative framework will shift because of them.

We can go back and debate the Crisis of Motive once again – who do you really do it for? – but in terms of Frame, even if you subscribe to a MGTOW perspective, it’s important for a Man to have a world into which a woman might enter. Not for her sake, but for a Man’s edification.

Establish your world; you shall make your mission, not your woman your priority. Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it.

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YaReally
10 years ago

@Rollo http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693-post-1027087.html#pid1027087 Right out of the Feminist Playbook. Create a hugbox, slander as many groups as possible, paint well-deserved critiques as “harassment”, and run to your hugbox for support and potentially dogpiling/retaliation. Surreal to see from someone so established. If you criticize one group for doing something (making a living off selling content, repackaging other people’s content for your own audience), you can’t go and do the same thing yourself and then get upset when someoene calls you out on that. You can’t build a movement based around being model masculine males when your leader is an emotional basketcase that’s… Read more »

ghersolas
10 years ago

Love the comments guys..

I know its off topic…

would you say its unmanly of a guy to absofucklutley get sick in the stomach thinking about strip clubs, and all the girls who love strip mining men, based on the guys’ perceived no-chance/no-time in the ‘sexual marketplace’? What say you?

Btw my only roommate is a stripper so its kinda on topic.. this post gets brought up a lot in my head living with her..

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@ghersolas

What say you?

Sounds like a thing not worth thinking about. You can’t change it. Stoicism is brought up a lot in TRP circles, and it generally entails (for me personally at least) immediately taking steps toward solving problems you actually have influence over and letting go of the ones you don’t. What you’re talking about sounds like the category of shit you have no power over. Just don’t go there and get “strip mined” and that’s about all you can do.

Why worry about shit you can’t change?

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

here the girls pay to work at the strip club, dance for free, and make their money on VIP. It’s not easy. I would say that a guy who gets sick to his stomach thinking about strip clubs and resource extraction is girly.

Jeremy
10 years ago

Re: Roosh… I don’t actually envy anyone with even a modicum of fame. Remaining grounded in reality when you have people licking your butt is the most difficult task a human could ask for. You often can’t find anyone to give you the truth, and if they do manage to level with you one moment, there’s no guarantee they won’t get starstruck the next. Fame is poison, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone I care about. It only gets worse when your fame gets associated with your income.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

“This is essentially what insanitybytes and her ilk just do not understand. They keep looking at men as monsters for pointing out things as they are when their time would be much better spent teaching and influencing women to INSPIRE more from men. Women set the tone as far as relationships go and if women want better performance from men, happy men who commit and love them, then they have to earn it- on mens terms. offer us something of value, something we can love and watch men trip over themselves to do so.” This was kinda my point in… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

I feel bad for Roosh. He seems like a kind, well-meaning guy. But who watching him in action says to themselves, “I want to follow that guy.”? His game with women did not translate into general charisma, knowledge of power, or leadership ability. And with leadership especially, I personally feel you either got it or you don’t, law of the jungle baby, no changing it – unless it’s there but suppressed by some removable psychological bullshit or some curable illness. He’s trying to start a movement, and he’s got brains and understanding and gumption and lots of other shit. But… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

This vid is for Roosh, starting at 8min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZMaiRHjc1Q&t=8m00s Roosh is stuck in Level 4 “We’re awesome and everyone else sucks”. But a guy needs to work on getting to Level 5: “WE are the shit, AND the WORLD is the shit”. That’s what giving value is. Lot of great real-talk in Tyler’s “truth about success” series, everyone should give it a listen. Ya Tyler’s a weirdo but he overcame his looks and social awkwardness to get laid and runs an incredibly successful company and is pretty much set for life and it sure wasn’t through being born more advantaged… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

I’m not a huge fan of TRP on reddit (I think they reject PUA stuff that could help them, based on other people’s word instead of researching it for themselves, a lot of problems I see in their posts are stuff that basic Mystery Method would fix if they would just pick it up and read it to see what use they can get out of it), but I’ll give em credit on this one: They have very perceptively nailed Roosh to the WALL in that thread. Like, everything he’s done or tried to do they are having ZERO wool… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@YaReally

God I almost want to stay in and pop popcorn and just watch the drama unfold tonight lol

Go out, take smartphone. #TheresAnAppForThat

Nathan
Nathan
10 years ago

Rollo,

As always, patience is in order. Unsure what is going on with Roosh. Best to sleep on it.

As you so often quote the 48 laws of power – Patience

Nathan
Nathan
10 years ago

@YaReally “This vid is for Roosh, starting at 8min”- fucking right. That guy has an annoying voice, talks too fast, and something about him rings fake, but a good message. Also, I just started reading your archive. SOOOO Good. Out last night, BIG guy asking me if I touched his girl’s ass – I kicked it playfully with the side of my foot, girl I was with said it was “super cute” – big guy trying to pick a fight. Funny, your stuff kinda saved me there. Cool stuff. Dunno about the hot babes rubbing your belly tho, LOL, common… Read more »

thedeclineandfall
10 years ago

Neomasculinity seems nothing more than a PayPal version of the Red Pill. No thanks. I am “Nexting” that site.

Mr T
Mr T
10 years ago

Poor Roosh V Packshy,,,he reached the Wall.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@T

Haha, maybe this is what the Male Wall can look like.

5ch9okm3ah
5ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

JooJoo [in advance, I have a hyper-senstive 0 key that loves to interpose itself into my enlightened diatribes. I oft0ten miss it wh0n proofreading. So, when you see a zer0o inter0jected in m0 post0, th0ts wh0t’s up. Ok?] Here’s the next level joojoo, friends. Once you have mastered your OWN life (become Captain of YOUR ship) everyone else becomes a passenger or crew (which is NOT denigrating, but simply math). Being a leader/captain is the most blue collar, work-your-ass-off 24-7 (with no respite), knuckle-dragging, unappreciated, misunderstood, subverted, betrayed, cluck of a fuck, that it’s enough to make one never again… Read more »

This Chap
This Chap
10 years ago

Softek

When I read your posts I realise that we have many grim experiences in common; I’ve had a similar life to yours in many ways. This helps me to understand myself. Actually, it just helps.

Thanks, man.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

Pure gold… Tom is an effing genius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmqh-7XedyE

So, you were talikng about the importance of “game”?

YaReally
10 years ago

@Sun Wukong “Go out, take smartphone. #TheresAnAppForThat” lol I’ve tried to kick the habit of being on my phone (txting/surfing) when I’m out. My buddy and I are actually considering going out without our phones entirely for a while to see how it changes things. I was in a Subway the other day and everyone in the lineup had their heads down looking at their phone while the girl behind the counter was waiting for some subs to toast and I thought it was interesting that she probably sees the tops of more heads than anyone has ever seen in… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

Man, I am also concerned about Tom’s health, mostly because he is an upfront guy and no one woants to lose a man like him to coronary artery disease or cancer. Yet, he seems to be happy with his life, and is the only thing that counts. We all pay for sex, in one way or another. Some people do cash others do time, mannerism, “game”, PUA, and similar useless junk. As Bill burr said: “the greatest catch women have is to make you think the will not get their pound of flesh out of you”. 120000 years of evolution… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

And this is why PUA is such a predatory market, because they know they have nothing to offer to society. They need to gain presence in the market by undermining the competition. Roosh is the most evident proof of it.

Poor people hesitate in giving money to women, because money is a limited resource. Wealthy men prefer to use money on women rather than time and mental health; simply because the former is les limiting than the two latter.

YaReally
10 years ago

Apparently when RSD gets bad publicity (Julien fiasco) and gets rocked on national TV (Julien’s CNN interview, where he held eye-contact and rehearsed a message for it), it’s all terrible plays and horrible handling of it and reveals them as charlatans and frauds…but when Roosh gets bad publicity and rocked on national TV (Dr Oz), he was AMAZING, staring at the floor and stuttering and looking completely unprepared was SOOPER ALPHA BADASS BRO (since you know, he coined the terms alpha/beta according to his vid (and totally didn’t at all take them from the same PUA material he repackages and… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

Roosh, PUA, RSD, Mystery, Neil Strauss, they are all the same pile of smelling shit. And anyone who endorses that is as shitty as them.

The best thing a man can do is focus in his goal in life, improving profesionally, personally, physically, spiritually, and make money. Money gets sex, one way or the other. Guys who refuse to acknowledge that are still dependant on feminine approval and thus are bluepilled.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Jack LaBear – Back your shit up and actually read what I said. I stated that perhaps your approach could be tried and better. But also, let’s be clear, you are just some fucking guy on the internet – if you are an MD, great, then get in direct contact with Softek, consult with him, diagnose him and treat him. I don’t know a fucking MD on the planet who would do so via comments on a web site, and then prescribe a solution without an examination – but hey, have at it. Me? I shared WHAT IT DO when… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

@Lone Survivor “Man, I am also concerned about Tom’s health, mostly because he is an upfront guy and no one woants to lose a man like him to coronary artery disease or cancer.” He’s old as balls so I guess well done to him, but man he must have a horseshoe up his ass lol My goal at his age is to still be as physically healthy as I hope to be mentally healthy. If he’s happy, that’s cool, but I view any learning source as “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not.” Bruce Lee style so I love… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Onder Hassan
May 19th, 2015 at 1:45 pm

Men liking pussy is not an underlying problem. Or a cover up for an underlying problem. It is nature. Reproduction selects for reproduction. And if you don’t reproduce? You have been deselected.

M Simon
10 years ago

Jeremy
May 22nd, 2015 at 6:02 pm

Well I played both ends against the middle. First the theory, then the engineering.

And out of all that I can honestly say I’m more confused than ever. What is a wave? What is a particle? What is reality?

None the less my circuits work.

M Simon
10 years ago

Jack LeBear
May 22nd, 2015 at 5:57 pm

I’m a big fan of Polywell Fusion. And rather well known in that community. It you are interested (any of you) look me up. I’m not difficult to find.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

Re; Roosh – We always kill our leaders, it’s the nature of the human individual and collective ego. Those of you who don’t realize this have likely never been leaders… We must resent them, after all they are fallible, so over time they build up reasons to resent them. We must tear them down as they ask us to aspire to something greater than them or us, and we soon realize that while they hector us on our path, they also have feet of clay. All empires have an arc and it seems Roosh’s is arcing towards its end. That’s… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn
May 23rd, 2015 at 8:49 am

Lew Rockwell a scumbag? Another point of agreement. LOL.

M Simon
10 years ago

For those unfamiliar with RSD vs Roosh as I was:

http://www.rooshv.com/real-social-dynamics-monumental-failure-against-the-sjw-mob

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

Re:Alpha – I had a very interesting conversation with a Blue Pill guy I know who suffers from mental illness, much like Softek actually in terms of his symptoms and pathology (mine is different). We reunited recently after he and I took a several year break after a huge fight. I’ve been sharing the RP with him and it’s really landing. Interestingly, I decided to have no “strategy” for sharing with him and instead just opened up about how it was helping me. Seems to be the best approach. He’s a very smart, deep guy and we have a 19… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn
May 23rd, 2015 at 9:09 am

Well. You know what Krishna said to Arjuna.

Get up and fight

I have had years when I was down. You WILL get back up.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@ M. Simon – Of course Lew Rockwell is a scumbag, as is Ron Paul and as was Murray Rothbard. Scumbags can have some good ideas or say some interesting things too, but they are still not fit for civil company. I will not do the whole Ron Paul-Anarchy-Wingnut-Alex Jones shitbird conspiracy takedown thing here, but it is quite easy to do if you actually study any of these topics seriously. You adult-children anarchists out there (hint, if you are a fan of Stefan Molyeux, you have swallowed the same horseshit) should go listen to a real anarchic libertarian philosopher… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

Re: M Simon May 23rd, 2015 at 9:09 am Well. You know what Krishna said to Arjuna. Get up and fight I have had years when I was down. You WILL get back up. “Get up and fight”. That’s all there is. That’s all there is for a man. Yet what does one do when the taste for “fighting” goes away? The nihilism of the Red Pill has somehow lessened the fight in me. I mean, there is nothing worth fighting for anyway, other than myself. And so much of “me” was defined by Blue Pill other focused, being of… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn,

Most of the real conspiracies are not hidden. Here in the West the preferred cover up method is “do it in the road”.

==================

For instance. Ask “What is the purpose of the US Army in Afghanistan?” The odds of getting a correct answer are remote.

The correct answer? Agriculture.

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn,

In the book “Creatures of Light and Darkness” there was an animal called “War Horse” whose only purpose in life was to fight. He generally preferred to be on the “right” side of a fight, but above all else he wanted to fight.

We can never be sure about the fight. I was a Communist once upon a time, after all. But we must fight. And be patient with yourself. Your taste for it will come back. The pussy? The money? It doesn’t matter. The fight is what matters.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@YaReally ” Yes, you can simply go buy anything. But there’s something valuable in earning or building it without taking the easy route.” That is feminine imperative. A man who dedicates his life/effort to chase women is bluepilled. You know what the problem is with the majority of people here? That they refuse to believe that fucking hot women is a lot easier than they were told. In fact, it is as easy as finding a job and the picking up the phone. Here, this is the first girl I fucked when I arrived to the city I live now:… Read more »

Tilikum
10 years ago

@ Lone Survivor

Clearly you don’t understand diminishing returns. I also don’t think you believe your own bullshit and thats why you need to repeat it here over and over.

Like a chick, all you are waiting for is someone smarter than you and more dominant to prove to your judgement that you are wrong. Ergo, this little trip to here where you have a chance of somebody pulling you out of your existential tailspin.

I feel for you amigo. Must be lonely indeed.

YaReally
10 years ago

@Lone Survivor lol if you don’t mind her banging other dudes behind your back because you figure the money will keep her faithful, or her potentially bailing on you down the road (definitely if you go through financial troubles), or in the case of hookers her, you know, being a hooker taking a dozen cocks a day, like that’s cool, you do your thing. And guys with your value system who admire what you’re saying can follow your lead. Long as they’re happy with their results, it’s all good to me. But some men are looking for more than just… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  YaReally

Watched Rooshs schism video. Pook came long before him or Roissy. SoSuave predates him, RSD predates him. To claim ownership of TRP only shows him as the pastor he hopes to be.

TRP evolved because it had no centralization, that’s the fucking point. No moderation, open discourse.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Lone Survivor – I’ve paid and not paid and I can tell you that both have their advantages. In fact, contrary to what many manospherians seem to believe, there are many hot young women out there who will fuck you for 200-300 bux and be quite energetic, and even enjoy it. Just go to Backpage or the many other sites out there where escorts advertise. The internet has brought many cute, sexy young women into prostitution who never would have done so 20 years ago. It seems many men in the manosphere have bought into a Blue Pill version of… Read more »

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

“Anyone who thinks PUA is just about getting pussy doesn’t really understand it”

It’s like saying to the fisherman, “I go to the supermarket and buy fish, what’s the point?”

M Simon
10 years ago

Lone Survivor May 23rd, 2015 at 10:08 am You HAVE to pay for it? Seriously? You are hilarious. And you have to have a job? Seriously? Who made that rule? Oh? She did? And we are bluepilled? Tilikum May 23rd, 2015 at 10:52 am has your number. And it is not a good one. But I’ll go you one better. There was some serious discussion of quantum mechanics up thread. care to join in? Or ask questions? Or perhaps you would be more in a political frame of mind. Want to discuss political philosophy? My friend (and I use the… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@YaReally Anyone who thinks PUA is just about getting pussy doesn’t really understand it. It is the other way around… maybe you don’t understand what PUA is about. Check Neil Strauss book, it has nothing to do with developing a solid career, or pushing yourself to the limit in all aspects of your life. It is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall about pussy. That is what PUA is about. Even Neil Strauss makes money out of that. @Glenn that was a good insight. Let’s take a look at this: “I think a man who doesn’t cultivate social settings where he has high value is… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn May 23rd, 2015 at 11:28 am If you look at what agricultural commodities are flooding the US at any given time you might take a slightly different view of what is going on. That tells a LOT about where certain three letter agencies are operating. The control of agriculture was a big part of the US War in the Pacific (WW2). It was a big part of Vietnam. It was why Turkey used to be an ally. I will not disagree about secondary motives but agriculture is primary. You might want to read former HUD Secretary Catherine Austin Fitts… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

Nope, the Red Pill evolved simply because men started to realize numbers did not add up: – women do not like nice guys – women don’t care about your game – women care about what you have to offer to them The Red Pill has no entity, is simply young men becoming aware of the true nature of women, as opposing to what romanticism and feminism has said. The The Red Pill already implies centralization as you are already calling a set of concepts/beliefs under a given name. The sole fact that people from SoSuave or RSD are predating him… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

@Glenn It’s not that prostitution is wrong, especially these days where like you say it’s a lot more common. I’ve banged a few girls with sugar daddies. But when you take a guy who is so internally fucked up that he’s way behind on his social skills, and then you give him easy access to sex, he’s not going to work on himself. Because why would he, he got the goal he wanted? Most of us start out just wanting to get laid…it’s once we go out and socialize and apply game that we realize all the other benefits we’re… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/601736544588705792

Followers: 13.5k

View of the “mainstream media” video covering your new ideology that you threw everyone who’s never had a problem with you under the bus for: 47k

Retweets of support from your 13.5k followers and 47k viewers for this new ideology: …….8.

The drama that is livening up my work day?: fucking PRICELESS lol

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@YaReally What you say is partially true, to a certain extent. Let’s say we have a 19 year old guy who goes to college and works. The guy is shy with women, in that case paying for sex is counterproductive because he will never feel compelled to interact with women. However, PUA advice is poisonous, because it pushes you to undertake a lot of frustration, rejection and pain that you could avoid by simply learning to look in the right places (which are NOT nightclubs, bars, pubs as PUAs say). When a man gets to a point in which he… Read more »

5ch9okm3ah
5ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

Roosh

I have NEVER resonated with Roosh. But I have watched him over time. He has displayed more personal growth than any other individual in the manosphere. I love that, and became a fan of Roosh for it. Every single comment that I have ever made in the past about Roosh has come to pass. Here is the next: Roosh is ASCENDING, and he is going to do some very important things for all of us. You read it here first. Watch, and learn.

YaReally
10 years ago

@Lone Survivor “However, PUA advice is poisonous, because it pushes you to undertake a lot of frustration, rejection and pain that you could avoid” …well we all know avoiding frustration, rejection and pain is the way to grow into being solid as a man. Challenge yourself? pffft, nahhhh, sounds like poison to me! I read on Jezebel that if anything is difficult then it’s oppressive and should be avoided. “which are NOT nightclubs, bars, pubs as PUAs say” Agreed, that’s why we say do daygame in coffee shops and grocery stores and anywhere you like too. The only reason we… Read more »

Jeremy
10 years ago

However, PUA advice is poisonous, because it pushes you to undertake a lot of frustration, rejection and pain that you could avoid by simply learning to look in the right places (which are NOT nightclubs, bars, pubs as PUAs say). Right right, poison for men is defined by you, and it is defined as deliberately confronting frustration, rejection, and pain in order to grow as a person. Sounds like women have greatly entrenched their ways of thinking your mind, to the point that your words just resonate the “easy path” that women expect life to be. Life isn’t easy, nor… Read more »

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

@5ch8okmy2oh

“Here is the next: Roosh is ASCENDING, and he is going to do some very important things for all of us”

The Dr. Oz show was the crucifixion?

5ch9okm3ah
5ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

I don’t understand why any proprietor would give the time of day to RSD agents who are sent into the not-for-profit crowdsourced manosphere to promote a commercial concern—without paying the proprietors for their advertising (massive) pixels. The customer acquisition costs from not-for-profit sites is essentially zero (less labor costs). @Rollo, I sincerely hope that you are getting a cut from that, and that you disclose such to your readers.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

“…well we all know avoiding frustration, rejection and pain is the way to grow into being solid as a man. Challenge yourself? pffft, nahhhh, sounds like poison to me! ” Challenging yourself is a key to growing as a person. HOWEVER, you have to know WHERE and HOW to challenge yourself. If you try doing pushups in a gym you will grow muscle, if you do pushups in the middle of the San Francisco bridge you will end up as a roadkill. That’s why PUAs are assholes: they intentionally push young men get their self-esteem destroyed in the wrong places,… Read more »

5ch9okm3ah
5ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

@redlight

Unsure of your meaning.
However, Roosh is in the arena. And you?

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  5ch9okm3ah

Denial of evolution.

Rejects homosexuals.

Promotes traditional gender roles, after living as a libertine.

Renewed interest in traditional spirituality.

Focus on a father figure spiritual leader.

Man, evangelical Christianity is just crazy.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@YaReally

“I’m not trying to convince you, just clearing up the bullshit you’re writing for the lurkers lol”

No need to. I have sex whenever I want to, with women who are attractive. Can you say the same?

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

Do you sense that Roosh is incongruent in his Schism with The Red pill video?

I do. Including his microexpressions, his voice intonation and in light of his previous writings and endorsements of thought.

It does not appear that he is attempting Law 27 on good footing.

Ref: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-27-play-on-peoples-need-to-believe.html

M Simon
10 years ago

Lone Survivor
May 23rd, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Can you have sex with a woman who wants you after the sex is over?

Do you pay by the hour or by the orgasm?

Jeremy
10 years ago

You forgot the part where the new messiah is currently revealing himself.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

@5ch9okm3ah: “Unsure of your meaning.” Then you are either being deliberately obtuse, or you are actually dense. @Lone Survivor: “I have sex whenever I want to, with women who are attractive. Can you say the same?” Here’s what I will say: I sometimes have sex with women who I find rather more attractive than the one in your provided photo when I don’t really want to, as the path of least resistance in getting them to leave me alone for while. In feminist terms, women rape me. The part that you refuse to get is that there are women who… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

“The Red Pill has no entity, is simply young men becoming aware of the true nature of women, as opposing to what romanticism and feminism has said. The The Red Pill already implies centralization as you are already calling a set of concepts/beliefs under a given name. The sole fact that people from SoSuave or RSD are predating him implies that these two groups are trying to preserve their share in the market and that they are uncapable of creating new stuff with added value. You just proved my point.” The problem is that you are starting with the premise… Read more »

4ch9okm3ah
4ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

“You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.” This is the prompt I just received upon attempting to post on @Rollo’s site. Don’t think this site isn’t censored. Now then: A very well constructed strawman. Thanks for flying your colors. We all see clearly now. You are an adherent of PC “evolution”. You embrace homosexuals. (therationalemale ???) You are anti-traditional gender roles for those who were raised on bullshit propaganda and had no choice but to claw their way up through the muck. You are against spiritual renewal (as if any of us were raised 100% intact). You are against… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  4ch9okm3ah

Fuck off Chokmah, I’ve done nothing of the sort. Only absolutist thinking makes those conclusions.

My writing stands on its own about any and all of that.

YaReally
10 years ago

@4ch9okm3ah
““You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.” This is the prompt I just received upon attempting to post on @Rollo’s site. Don’t think this site isn’t censored.”

Maybe there’s a retard filter.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

@4ch9okm3ah nee 5ch9okm3ah:

But you are absolutely a troll.

4ch9okm3ah
4ch9okm3ah
10 years ago

I’m waiting for you to delete my post, as you have done many times before. Because TRUTH is not your issue. Rollo Tomassi being always right is your issue. I think that you will also delete this post. Punk.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@M Simon

Can you have sex with a woman who wants you after the sex is over?

Isn’t that feminine imperative? Isn’t that approval seeking behavior?

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@ M. Simon – I knew I could bait you, he he. While it’s ridiculous to say that we invaded Afghanistan to interdict marijuana and poppy, and to eradicate production, as a primary intention, I think most Americans would be stunned at how much our DEA and CIA and FBI were doing there in terms of the “drug war”. The extent of our eradication programs there and elsewhere in the world would shock most Americans, as they have no idea how much money and effort and political capital we expend on this Quixotic task. I could even admit it was… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@KFG

The part that you refuse to get is that there are women who will fuck for the fucking.
Who are these women? Under the right circumstances, all of them.

Of course they are going to fuck for the fucking. The awful truth is the “the right circumstances” are a good lifestyle, maybe one-weekend vacation to [insert your local trendy beach here], a ride in a cabrio, you know…

Now let me ask you. Can you have sex for free? (that is, without 0 investment of time, money, resources of any type).

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

Goddamn, it smells awfully troll up in here. Oh, it’s because Stevemily (Chokmah) is back. Stop being a such a bitch, dude. You failed the shit tests the first time you ever came on here, and you’re still doing pretty miserable with them. @YaReally Technology is valuable as fuck, it’s amazing that I have a computer with access to the information of literally the entire world just chilling in my pocket, BUT there are situations where it can be isolating and limiting and we should be aware of that for our own development. Oh believe me, I generally have the… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

“Now let me ask you. Can you have sex for free? (that is, without 0 investment of time, money, resources of any type).”

Your logical fallacy is a Strawman. You misrepresented someone’s argument to make it easier to attack.

ysonisthebomb
ysonisthebomb
10 years ago

Ok, WordPress “mysteriously” ate my post, then. Cool. (Don’t believe that for one second.) “Fuck off”? That’s your response? What about the content of the post? You lead males into a dark chasm of shit, without any hope for rising above that. Your entire blog is premised upon that. What is your purpose for doing that? Life is not so ugly as you portray it. I am sincerely and genuinely interested in having a dialogue with you about this. We can do it online (if you don’t censor) or offline. Either way is fine with me. I just want to… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Glenn Hell, without most Americans noticing, our drug trade has singlehandedly turned Mexico into a narco-state with half the country or more under the control of drug-warlords who effectively govern the territory under their control. That alone should shock the sensibilities of any “drug warrior”. I have the feeling the most recent flare up of gang violence here in Texas was related to the running of drugs from Mexico. I bet that the legalizing of marijuana in CO and WA (why go across the border when you can cross state lines with weed instead?) has really reduced the amount of… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“The awful truth is the “the right circumstances” are a good lifestyle, maybe one-weekend vacation to [insert your local trendy beach here], a ride in a cabrio, you know…”

Q.E.D.

” . . .without 0 investment of time, money, resources of any type . . .”

I must invest time to reject resources of any other type by going out into the woods alone and sitting in a mud hole until I die of exposure or starvation.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Sun – The weed business has already been crushed in Mexico due to so many legal and illegal American indoor grow-ops. The quality has skyrocketed and the price has fallen too and nobody buys that Mexican, harsh crap anymore. I do partake still, but at a much lesser level than I did at the peak of my PTSD suffering – better than lamictal, risperdal, ambien and trazadone – fucked my head up – been on a ton others. Sadly, weed doesn’t work that well either, but I am not nearly as fucked up on weed as I’m on the rest… Read more »

lsonisthebomb
lsonisthebomb
10 years ago

@Sun Wukong (your spiritual uplifter)

This is a standard that all of you should subscribe to. /sarc

“Goddamn, it smells awfully troll up in here. Oh, it’s because Stevemily (Chokmah) is back. Stop being a such a bitch, dude. You failed the shit tests the first time you ever came on here, and you’re still doing pretty miserable with them.”

Hence, the page views.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Sun – Biker shootout – http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/bandidos-cossacks-motorcycle-biker-club-gang-history-waco-texas-deadly-feud-rivalry-brawl-shootout-fight-killing-stabbing-arrest-hells-angels-scimitars/

Most ridiculous aspect of this? Ron Paul has latched onto this as another abuse of police power, lol. Because only bikers got shot. Hey, don’t start knife/gunfights in a parking lot while the cops are stationed nearby just waiting for you to do so, armed to the teeth. I call 9 dead bikers a “good start”.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

Re: Trolls – Funny to watch them try and take Rollo on, It’s like watching a few gnats fly around a lions head, silly troll-children. I get it, your lives suck and you love Roosh or RSD or who gives a fuck. You are stymied by Rollo who doesn’t need you to worship him. You see, Rollo doesn’t want our obeisance, he’s already figure that out. Rollo was already older than Roosh when he started this and was already a success – this isn’t his only act in life and he figured out he didn’t want it to be his… Read more »

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@KFG So, if the right circumstances involve an active use of resources, logic and reason dictate that, unless infinite, they should be used in an efficient fashion. And efficiciency leads to paying. 100% ROI, 0% of collateral. Now, here comes the kick. Should men ALWAYS resort to escorts? Nope. When in meaningful relationships, THERE is where you start taking risks and start flirting… simply because the process itself is fun and an emotional reward that is a surplus to sex, and you may get to know a girl who is worth keeping close. However, in such scenario you don’t simply… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

” . . . they should be used in an efficient fashion. ”

Hey, that looks rather like what I said. Go figure.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

Well, efficiency leads to paying for sex. The more money you earn, the more it is better to pay, reasons are obvious.

People here refuse to acknowledge it.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

@Lone Survivor: “Well, efficiency leads to paying for sex.” Q.E.D. yet again. The question is whether you can identify the premise. “People here refuse to acknowledge it.” And just because it runs counter to both observed and empirical evidence. Silly wabbits. I know it’s futile in your case, but I’ll state it again, in more direct form, for the peanut gallery: Resource efficiency may demand that you pay sex in order to preserve resources. @Glenn: “Turn off your fucking computer and go outside and do something. ” The temperature has finally hit 59F here, which is sufficient for riding bare… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Lone Survivor
May 23rd, 2015 at 2:12 pm

So you only have sex with women who don’t want you. Excellent.

But you pay them for the privilege of putting up with you for a few minutes.

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn
May 23rd, 2015 at 2:50 pm

We have yet to see the full story. Given the way policing is done these days it is not out of the question that the police started the fight as an excuse to kill some people.

That may appeal to you. It is not the kind of country I want to live in.

qsonisthebomb
qsonisthebomb
10 years ago

Notice that RSD vermin have soldiered out of the woodwork to defend their put-money-in-my-pocket position. Very telling. Punks.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@M Simon

I have sex whenever I want. Can you say the same?

@KFG

Hey, don’t get mad at me, I am just a messenger. If you can’t express yourself clearly it is not the audience’s fault.

Will
Will
10 years ago

Rollo, I read your “just be yourself” blog writing. I still think it’s over-analytical. You say personality and behavior is malleable. Which is true, but it’s almost made out to be like your in favor of having some multi-personality disorder. Like your life is some drama play where you’re acting out different personalities for different scenarios or something. I think it’s more simple than that. You’re personality is driven by what you are who you are and what your doing. So if you are a surgeon who saves people’s lives then your personality will naturally shift. It will shift to… Read more »

Tiresome
Tiresome
10 years ago

@Rollo is censoring my comments, fwiw

Don’t really care all that much, but that you readers should be aware of it.

Notice that RSD vermin have soldiered out of the woodwork to defend their put-money-in-my-pocket position. Very telling. Punks.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Tiresome

No one is censoring your multiple username comments fucktard.

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn May 23rd, 2015 at 2:13 pm Well I see you don’t know as much about the trade as you think. We didn’t invade for eradication. We invaded for control. The big hint is that where ever the three letter boys are busiest is where the drugs come from. Another hint is Ollie North’s “kilos”. Of what he didn’t say. But one example – remember when Thai Stick flooded the country? Now look up where the three letter boys were especially busy. When the sticks were everywhere. The tonnage being moved must have strained the resources of even Air America.… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Lone Survivor May 23rd, 2015 at 3:57 pm No I can’t. But I’m not as young as I used to be. Funny enough I don’t miss it much. Gives me more time for other things. I’m still good for about once a day. But I always wanted more than I could have. If I was doing it six times a day I wanted 8. My best day was 12 – with two girls. Didn’t cost me a penny. After #12 I went to sleep with the girl who was left. I was around age 30 at the time. Fun times.… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Which is true, but it’s almost made out to be like your in favor of having some multi-personality disorder.

Acting in character is a very useful talent.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@Will You nailed it, man. It is all about that. Be yourself should be the one priority of all men. When women say “just be yourself”, they are not lying. They are saying just one part of the truth. What they mean is: 1) don’t ask us how we want men, it is useless 2) work yourself, be the best in what you do, make a good living of it, and with all those achievements we won’t give a fuck about your personality Why is it that no NBA players, no professional tennis players, no succesful entrepreneurs attend PUA seminars,… Read more »

purpleCooies
purpleCooies
10 years ago

Sun Wukong is a spiritual beatdown. He’s here, day after day, beating you down. Is that really what you want? To be beat down? Day after day? Or do you want to ascend? Hmmm?

bodusafa
10 years ago

Someone mentioned karma. How do you guys believe in karma after seeing the predictable behavior of humans? Also strippers are doing the same thing we are. Creating value or percieved value that others want to invest in. Thats how Rollo refines his theories in sales/marketing not out collecting notches.

Lone Survivor
Lone Survivor
10 years ago

@M Simon “Funny enough I don’t miss it much.” And this is when you make a slam dunk that would make Shaquille O’Neal blush. The catch is that chasing tail is utter shit. It is NOT rewarding, it is only pleasant in the short term. But when you look back after a couple of years you say “what do I got out of that?”. I banged one “civilian” chick once without condom. She told me to wear one because it was her time of the month when she could get pregnant… and when I got out my dick to put… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

But when you look back after a couple of years you say “what do I got out of that?”.

F’d a LOT.

M Simon
10 years ago

I had some tricks that got women chasing after me gagging for it. Amusing. And not entirely unpleasant. Heh.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

Hahaha, I love it. Guys falling back to “JBY” as an excuse to not improve, not make an effort, and just sit on their literal and metaphorical ass. http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/matrix/images/3/3a/Bluepill.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060821153455 There ya go boys. It’s sugar-coated and ready for ya. The more I’ve thought about it, the key to always performing is never being content with yourself ever. Until you’re perfect or dead, there is no being content. This is what drives men to achieve. It’s what creates great leaders of men, it’s what changes history and gets a man in to the books about it. JBY is the absolute opposite… Read more »

Jeremy
10 years ago

It’s amazing how fast wanting an “army” of men gets turned on anyone who might disagree with the goals of the army’s leader. It happens so fast, one might say that they go hand in hand.

I don’t recall ever reading a rational thought in the manosphere that encouraged me to be a sheep to a leader. Yet I see there’s lots of sheep within it.

letstalkaboutsomerealshit
letstalkaboutsomerealshit
10 years ago

@M Simon is paid Samizdat. Engage at your own peril. (I know, I’m racist. Get over it.)

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