Reader Keyser Soze had an interesting comment last week that I thought would be a good jump off point for today’s topic:
@Siirtyrion: You said, “Many scientists still go by this notion because it explains the frequent tradeoffs in mating and gives us a more complete picture for sexual selection as a whole. I understand that I uphold physicality as king, but understand that hypergamy isn’t completely about a short-term mating strategy, regardless of what some people may think. Women may be able to fund their our lives currently but rest assure, they still seek out Beta Bucks in other forms aside from monetary or material gain (i.e they still seek out physiological and emotional comfort from less than ideal males).”
Question for all:
Reading this, I had a thought. We often talk about women hitting the wall at 35ish and their sudden willingness to be me more reasonable with their expectations in a mate as they realize their SMV has decreased. I wonder if the above quote also plays into this. By the time women hit 35ish, historically (without modern methods of assisted conception) they are past their childbearing years. I wonder if their mating strategy changes at this age not only because of diminished SMV, but also because they are no longer looking for prime genetic material for reproduction as much as they are looking for “physiological and emotional comfort”. Perhaps this was implied all along, but I never thought about it this way before.
I hate to think this is going to come off as sympathy for the aging spinsters who had their cake in their youth and now, late in life, are looking to make honest amends for their past decisions, but it probably will.
A few months ago I broke-down Robin Korth’s aging sexual denial and in response we got a glimpse into the rationalization engine (a.k.a. the Hamster) at work in feminine solipsism:
My intent here isn’t to pick on Korth personally or really any woman in the post-Wall demographic in particular, but this self-insight is an excellent illustration of the feminine solipsism I often refer to on this blog. Furthermore, this sense of ego-blamelessness is then combined with the easy rationales and social conventions ready-made by the Feminine Imperative to affirm her self-importance.
Robin Korth should be reposing in the love of her husband of the past 35 years, give or take. She should be doting on children and grandchildren as the esteemed matriarch of her family.
Instead, Ms. Korth is still out there acting as if she’s 25 years old. She’s still trying to navigate the sexual and dating minefields. In the end she’s trying to show everyone (but really herself) that she’s still “got it”; that she can still arouse a man sexually. It is all really about self aggrandizement. It is all about self- validation and affirmation. In the end, it’s all about Robin Korth. It’s pathetic and sad, really.
And no, Ms. Korth, your life is not the result of what you think about yourself. You are what you do. You are NOT what you think, read, or write. You are not what you were or what you’d like to be.
You are what you do. Period. Full stop.
And from The Difficulty of Gaming Women by Age Brackets by (the old) Roissy:
36 to 38 year olds
She is at peace with her spinsterhood and her failure in the dating market. She will acquiesce easily and gratefully to sex with very little game, as long as you don’t look like a grandpa. Her expectations are so low, it will be a challenge to disappoint her.
If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.
Granted, Robin is well past the 38 year old mark by over 20 years, however even at 59 the description is still remarkably apt in light of Deti’s overview, however, the real lesson here is for men.
There comes (or should come) a certain empowerment for men after a point of maturation in life where he grows into an understanding of how the Game is played by women. As I’ve noted in the past month, this game, the former secret of women’s dualistic sexual strategy, is becoming more and more of an open secret amongst a feminine-primary culture becoming increasingly more assured of its primacy. If anything this plan for women’s optimizing hypergamy is just this side of proudly flaunting it to men.
As I pick my way through exactly this ‘plan’ in writing the next book, I’ve actually become less surprised by so many examples I find of this willingness with which women will overtly share their strategy for assuring short-term Alpha sexual desires during their SMV peak, and then consolidation on the security a Beta provider represents as their SMV decays beginning at around 30 years of age.
My purpose in writing this next volume of The Rational Male is to make men aware of just this life-schedule and sexual strategy, but even with my own efforts and the glaring willingness with which women will now confirm it, a larger whole of men simply don’t mature into this overall understanding.
For all the education the Red Pill represents for men, the larger blue pill whole simply don’t want to accept the ugly reality of women’s sexual strategy even when women openly confirm this for them – or when they do it’s too late for anything but pensive self-reproach and then signing the alimony/child support check anyway.
As this understanding becomes more widespread some social change will have to follow. Men will either become so pathetic as to ‘normalize’ it for themselves, and personally identify with what amounts to their open (proactive or reactive) cuckolding under women’s grossly overt championing of their Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy – or Men will come to the realization (hopefully sooner than later) that the fantasy of monogamous bliss based on a notion of intergender compromise and the ‘give & take’ (but mostly give) they were sold on was never in the best interests of feminine-primacy.
The Feminine Imperative was (and is) only ever concerned with men’s imperatives or male-specific priorities insofar as they align with the superseding, primary imperatives of women. Thus, as open hypergamy becomes more common and the truth of this duplicity and imbalance (really disinterest) of mutual sexual imperatives becomes more evident, men will again (as with Game) evolve methods and mentalities to consolidate on their own imperatives or simply live in denial of it all.
The Long Game
For almost 6 months I’ve had this post from Cail Corishev bookmarked. It’s an excellent driver for exactly this point: prior to the digital age men tended not to play a long game when it came to socio-sexual strategies. The short game is all that matters in the moment, and all that stimulates, but until the advent of digital forums where men could figuratively compare notes, most men were simply unable, and perhaps too distracted to ask the obvious questions about women’s hypergamy and how it plays out over the course of 10-30 years and the roles women expect men to play during those stages of their lives in order to accommodate their strategy.
In Cail’s piece he describes a woman he knew at age 30 and how attractive she was, and his consideration of starting a relationship with her. After a failing interest and 10 years of no contact, she reinitiated with Cail:
But while we were chatting, I saw some of her recent pictures, and whoa! She’s gone from a 7-8 to maybe a 5, and that would be adjusted for age. She hasn’t gotten fat, but that’s about the only positive note. She looks so rough that I found myself wondering what I was thinking ten years ago, but I looked back at some old pictures, and she really was pretty at 30 — not a model or anything, but enough to turn heads. Now she looks like she’s lived 20 hard years in 10. She works nights at a pretty demanding job and has had some serious health problems, so I guess it’s no surprise, but it was really striking: ten years ago I ached for this girl, and now I wouldn’t look twice at her if I passed her in the grocery store.
That got me thinking about Rollo’s chart. My own SMV, as far as I can tell, hasn’t changed much from mid-30s to mid-40s, just as his chart would predict. I’m about the same weight, same build, maybe a little less hair, but I’d lost quite a bit of it already back then. I’m not much better-off financially, but at least not worse, and I have more of a sense of direction in my life. I’m certainly more confident, especially with women, and more established in my communities. So some pluses and some minuses, holding steady at about the same level. The amount of interest I get from women seems to support that.
She, on the other hand, going from 30 to 40, has gone from fertile to not likely. She’s also a grandmother now, so instead of looking to start a new family, she’s focused (and rightly so) on helping her kids with theirs. (If single moms don’t have much spare attention to give a husband, imagine the single mom of a single mom.) An additional ten years of dating and relationships under her belt certainly doesn’t add to her appeal. On top of those reasons, add the drastic decline in her looks, and now I not only don’t want to marry her, but as we chat I’m mostly thinking, “How soon can I politely say goodnight so I can get to sleep already?” Harsh, but true. Just as Rollo’s chart predicts, her SMV has been on a steady decline since we met — maybe more of a free-fall in her case — and now mine is well above hers.
I had a similar post to this I published back in December of 2011 – Protracted SMV:
It’s a simple matter to tell a guy he’s dodged a bullet in the cosmic scheme of things, but it’s altogether different to provably show him how he’s dodging it. For all the evils of facebook at least it gives him [men] an ability to see the forest for the trees, but the feminine can’t even afford him that. You must stay dumb, you must stay plugged-in for the feminine to maintain primacy. For all the benefits of a globally connected world, the feminine imperative expects you to accept a feminine-centric normalization of it.
What the Feminine Imperative fears is men becoming what Roissy terms Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma. Due to a lifetime of feminine conditioning, men tend to underestimate the leverage their SMV has in the context of women’s biological imperatives.
Pity for Reneé
I have a similar story to Cail’s. When I was a senior in high school I had a ‘friend‘ named Reneé, she was a gorgeous auburn-red head with a fantastic 17-18 year old body. We were good ‘friends‘ in the sense that it was clear I wasn’t ever going to see her naked and she had all of the personality trappings of a girl who knew she was attractive (she did modeling after high school), but also had the beginnings of a very self-important ego-invested feminist mind set.
I never really stayed in touch with her after graduation since by then I had moved on to women who enthusiastically reciprocated my interests and I moved along in life. It wasn’t until 2009 that I got on FaceBook and began having old friends look me up – Reneé was among the first. Very similar to the woman in Cail’s story we started to catch up with what the other had been doing through their 20s, 30s and now 40s.
As it turned out she was still fairly attractive for having had one daughter and never marrying the father, or any other guy for that matter. Most of the predictable single mommy issues and false-empowerment memes were bandied about by her, but the short version is here she was at 41 and her daughter was a year away from leaving for college. She was between jobs, but the one she had and the one she hoped to get were mediocre low to mid-management type, subsistence level employment.
She was and still is single 5 years later. The predictable questions about what my wife was like and how long we’ve been married came up, how we met, and where I’ve travelled in my work, etc. and I can honestly say I felt bad for her just recalling all of the life I’ve lived in the interim and basically forgot about her since high school.
She’s 46 now, and loves FaceBook as much as any aging spinster, but I really don’t want to call her that. In between the many pictures of her 4 cats (no lie) she occasionally posts some lament about how lonely she is now that her daughter has gone away to school and she comes home to an empty apartment these days. She makes not-so-subtle pleas to her FB community friends to set her up with ‘a great guy’ and all the dutiful Betas come out of the woodwork to tell her how pretty she (still) is and to keep her chin up and the right guy will “come along” – not so unlike the advice she gave me and at least half a dozen other guys I knew back in the day.
Reneé still clings to all of the feminist memes and mantras (reposts all the most popular), and complains of not being able to find a “great guy” anymore. This is of course infantile men’s faults for not manning up to her fem-correct standards, or else it’s a complaint about the ‘creepy’ men who really just want to bang her when she out with friends.
I hadn’t really ever considered using Reneé as a blog post subject until I read this article in Psychology Today:
According to a new survey released this month, your odds of winning the cash would increase if you skipped any 40-something, single female professionals and focused on the middle-aged male managers with one child at home and a wife who works part-time. In its Office Pulse survey, Captivate Network, a media solutions company, says its uncovered “profiles of the happiest and unhappiest workers.” And here it is:
- 39 years old
- Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
- In a senior management position
- 1 young child at home
- A wife who works part-time
And the unhappiest profile?:
- 42 years old
- Unmarried (and no children)
- Household income under $100,000
- In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)
Minus the professional status, essentially Reneé fits the profile for the most unhappy person in the western world today. Now, return back to Robin Korth’s comment, her life is the result of what she thinks of herself. What does this say about the decision making both she and Reneé have made in their lives?
I can’t say I have any sympathy for the likes of Korth, but for Reneé I do feel a pang of pity (in spite of Roissy’s advice for women of this age). For all of the accusations of red pill “misogyny” I genuinely do like women, and I’m not rooting for them to smash into the Wall. However I can see why my observations make this seem so – hard truths are often warnings that we don’t like to heed.
I often wonder if women of this profile aren’t as much victims of an ideological conditioning as Betatized men are over the course of their lives. Much of what’s resulted in Reneé’s life are the consequences of having (and still subscribing to) a mindset that’s based on equalist individualism, and she’s now beginning to reap what she’s sown – knowingly or not.
I don’t know the father of her daughter, but my red pill instincts (and knowing how hot she used to be) tell me the guy was likely a pump and dump Alpha bad boy. Reneé never struck me as the type to ‘settle’ on a Beta provider because she was too headstrong and independent® for that – she was certainly hot enough to attract the Alphas and independent enough to never consider a Beta for a relationship.
So my observation is this; while granting that women’s decisions are their own, and they should in all ways be accountable for the consequences that follow from them, how much of those decisions are based on a conditioning that promotes an idealized ideology of feminine, equalist independence?
For the same reason I can’t entirely fault a man with an internalized blue pill mindset over his conditioning, shouldn’t we also consider that women are likewise mislead by a similar influence? Are we (again) giving women too much credit for being rational independent agents under different circumstance?
For men’s part, it’s hardly avoidable that we become Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma by default for women in this cohort. Perhaps not as Alpha as we’re perceived, but as our SMV ascends in our 30s and (sometimes) through our 40s, it’s almost unavoidable that, even with a baseline of ambition, we’re seen as more desirable long term prospects.
In all honesty, were I to find myself single tomorrow, Reneé or women like her would never make my ‘to date’ list. Women love to complain that mature men really aren’t, and all they want is a young girl to fuck and coo for them. I would argue that men in my demo (at least should) have the depth of experience to know what the Feminine Imperative (and its social arm feminism) has bred and conditioned into women, and we honestly don’t want the hassle of dealing with it.
There is precious little reward for a man, and no appreciation, for having a big enough heart to save a woman from the consequences of her past decisions. That’s not meant as a callous punishment, just simple pragmatism.
As I stated in The Threat,
Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.
When you’ve spent your whole life attempting to ‘have it all’ on your own, perhaps men can’t help but be an agent of Karma when that ‘all’ includes a man’s participation.
No darling being bad works. Girls will get lubed up about not wearing a helmet on my bike, my tattoos and general lawlessness like being a Southern Nationalist, bar fights, bootlegging and pushing weight but not a one has seen my military awards etc and said lets fuck, or even lets get coffee.
Axe murders get more fan male then firemen who save kids in a burning building
Hmm, left this at CH, but seems way more apropos
The old “happy wife” saw. Seems it does correlate with hubbies happiness, but wifey couldn’t give a fuck if hubby is happy.
None of those things are inherently “bad”. They go against conventional wisdom, and SJW ‘rules’ but they aren’t bad.
I agree with Deti with this. It’s masculinity that draws women and today, thugs tend to display masculinity more overtly than Good Men.
Aslo, if that fireman got as much publicity as the ax murderer, I think the fan mail would be at least as high.
I won’t deny that women flock toward the murderous criminal. That has always been and will always be true, but to say that the majority of women do this, I disagree with.
@Stingray, just saying:
I like to “shit test” my wife with….
Me, “Do you really love me, am I ‘the one’ for you and do you still believe in our wedding vows?”
Her answer (predictably), “Yes!”
Me, “Would you have married me if I were a paraplegic?”
Her, “Why are you asking that?’
Me, “because I want to know if you really love me, if you were honest about your love for me and our wedding vows.”
She never answers the question.
Her, “Would you have married me If I were a paraplegic?”
Me, “Of course Dear!”
And they mostly look pretty hot….
After reading that and reviewing the trailer for Fifty Shades of Grey due to premier Vagintines day 2015 (thank you Rollo for coining that one), I think women should be honest and just ask, “Where have all the rapists gone?”
Men – in general, are more pathetic sex. Their slavish nature, their romantic – aka STUPID soul, their illusions. They are built as expendables, they think and live that way. It is encoded in their DNA! They NEED women much more than vice versa. Small, pretty small group of men can enjoy life and live for themselves. The rest..nothing but pussy addicts. They have to sacrifice for their stupid, ugly bitch, just to have…meaning, to have the will to live!!! Your 30 and something woman CAN catch her slave, provided she really wants. She already HAS many slaves at her… Read more »
Of course, Rollo. I don’t deny that. I could probably find a bunch of tweets about how hot Tim Tebow is, too and a Facebook page dedicated to how sexy he is.
It’s about overt masculinity in which the man defines good and bad. the overtly masculine will always be far more attractive and arousing.
Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic:
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Re: Chris Brown tweets
I’m gonna go get a neck tattoo.
Ton, Nice to see you here! . Ton and Stingray, What are your thoughts about the distinction between: 1) those who are courageous, predictable in an ethical / principled way (would such “overt masculinity in which the man defines good and bad” be perceived as “nice”?), but also adventurous (possibly perceived as reckless, depending on the risk aversion of the observer), and 2) those who are simply violent (and possibly weak and cowardly), unpredictable in an immoral / amoral way (perceived as exciting, masculine?), and possibly somewhat irrational. . It sometimes seems that women cannot distinguish between  and … Read more »
The Alpha traits women find the most attractive, and the most sexually arousing, have nothing to do with patience and everything to do with impulsivity.
Rollo, not only are the tweets idiotic, but also show how unimaginative wimminz are. Basically the same lines, almost word for word from about 75% of them!
And then there’s this. http://www.mommyish.com/2012/10/18/step-parents-single-mom-468/ “Why is it that I need to feel grateful to a man for being a decent human being? For caring about a child that isn’t his biological son? What type of person wouldn’t watch this beautiful little boy grow up before their eyes and feel some love and affection? That’s not luck, it’s basic human instinct. Of course we love and protect the innocent.” This woman finds an older never-before-married beta provider that treats her son as his own and she’s upset that everyone reminds her how grateful she should feel! As Rollo said above… Read more »
….and who mostly do you think is telling her (if anyone actually is) (this may have been partially or completely made up) that she should be so appreciative?
Other women perhaps?
She mentions family and friends, his and hers, plus hearing it at Holidays. Must be her mother.
Well, there’s a good enough example for me of why divorced women shouldn’t try to marry single men. From an ethical standpoint, it isn’t “fair.” From a practical standpoint, he is going to resent it at some point in the future, and the woman is better off looking out for herself now that trying to undo failure later when she’s even older. Men, like women, show us who they are by their choices. If they were truly interested in being married and having families, they would have done it. It might not have panned out, but they would have made… Read more »
“The Alpha traits women find the most attractive, and the most sexually arousing, have nothing to do with patience and everything to do with impulsivity.” And apparent impulsivity doesn’t have to be ill-considered, and can occur within established (mental) boundaries. Once, when I was much younger, I was walking down the street when I noticed a tall, slim young woman with long red hair (a true ginger) and blue eyes, so I had to investigate further (I love how they look, plus they are all a little crazy), even though she was surrounded by a gaggle of cockblockers. I walked… Read more »
@Atticus, http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/ Appreciation I think what most men uniquely deceive themselves of is that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices. Learn this now, you wont. You can’t be because women fundamentally lack the ability to fully realize, much less appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate her reality. Even the most enlightened, appreciative woman you know still operates in a feminne-centric reality. Men making the personal sacrifices necessary to honor, respect and love her are commonplace. You’re supposed to do those things. You sacrificed your ambitions and potential to provide her with a better life?… Read more »
“The boys who do best at school (thereby demonstrating their susceptibility to external messaging) are the most beta, while the ones who do worst at school (and thus demonstrate their lack of susceptibility to external messaging) are the most alpha.” [jeremy, September 15th, 2014 at 2:39 pm] I do not disagree with this, in the context that I assume jeremy is using, which is that school isn’t primarily about education. However, “the boys who do best at school … are the most beta” is not necessarily true for boys who are attempting to adapt to the current structure called “school”,… Read more »
“There is precious little reward for a man, and no appreciation, for having a big enough heart to save a woman from the consequences of her past decisions. That’s not meant as a callous punishment, just simple pragmatism.”
Thanks man! Now I can dump that old bitch without remorse
there’s yet another karma classic today http://www.huffingtonpost.com/troy-byer/you-do-you_b_5825574.html “At 40, when it came to dating and mating, I was exhausted, confused and convinced my Jerry Maguire simply did not exist. … I began to spoil myself rotten. I took myself out on wonderful dates. I bought myself lovely gifts. I even wrote myself a love letter. I made it my number one priority to love and adore myself to pieces. … And in a matter of weeks, the strangest thing happened to me. No, I did not fall in love with the man of my dreams. I fell madly in love… Read more »
“What type of person wouldn’t watch this beautiful little boy grow up before their eyes and feel some love and affection? That’s not luck, it’s basic human instinct. Of course we love and protect the innocent.”
So…. she and her bastard kid are automatically self entitled to the care and provisions of a mans hard work other than the biological father? Validation of her entitlement is self evident and unquestionable? Another example of children used as hostages.
To hell with the other bastards little brat. I want my own child.
Sounds like an evolutionary jackpot for the biological father. Alpha moves on to fertilize more females while Beta is convinced of his humanity by internalizing his rightful role as cuckold and nurturer of the Alpha’s child by the mother and a feminine-centric social order.
What kind of bitch wears their child like a chip on her shoulder? What kind of whore does that!!!????
Rollo, a further example of this I witnessed last night when dropping my kids off to their 47 y/o mother’s (and 30 something live-in Beta Cuckold who has no kids of his own) place after a midweek visit. She’s been with beta/cuckold about 1-2 years but not re married. Last Sunday was Fathers Day. I noticed on her bookshelf a Fathers Day card. She bought beta/cuckold a Hallmark style card with the DAD scribbled out with pen and replaced with his name – and inside some soppy messages that the kids were obviously forced/obligated to write. My 8 y/o son… Read more »
bbb: “But it’s work – hard work – keeping things somewhat on an even keel. The shit tests are endless. Example: “What would you rather see, me losing my hands or you losing your balls”. Answer: “You losing your hands, because if I lost my balls, I might as well be dead.” Result: pissed off wife, but no more shit testing for a day or two.” Could you each keep one? Since you’re going to be in the doghouse either way, you might just ask her if she would keep her mouth. She’d be more pissed, but she’d get over… Read more »
I never reply to hypotheticals from women. keep it real.
“What would you rather see, me losing my hands or you losing your balls?”
“That was a terrible thing in the news today, wasn’t it?”
“Since you’re going to be in the doghouse either way, you might just ask her if she would keep her mouth. She’d be more pissed, but she’d get over it quicker and probably drop assinine hypotheticals.”
Actually, I’m never, ever in the “dog house”. I feel neither shame nor remorse for what I say. Dogs cringe when scolded, pigs just stare back impassively. I’m proud to be much more like the latter.
BTW, asking her whether she “would keep her mouth” would be misdirection and escalation, hallmarks of only a feminine mode of arguing.
@rollo Re: 4:16 Appreciation Post Newly red pill aware, I am struggling with Anonymous at mommyisms.com on so many levels. This broad dodged the Righteous Karma bullet. I get that she probably doesn’t know she did. More than once she says that she was not going to date again, was prepared to go it alone, blah, blah, blah, ba-blah. Going from the general to the specific (deductive) is logical; going from the specific to the general (inductive) is dangerous. Rollo states that women cannot appreciate the sacrifices of men (deductive). If Rollo is correct, as Anonymous seems to confirm, what… Read more »
I should note the real news thing needs to have an emotional component, since when women give you hypotheticals they are starving for emotion
“BTW, asking her whether she “would keep her mouth” would be misdirection and escalation, hallmarks of only a feminine mode of arguing.”
Or perhaps not an argument at all, but a quip.
Agree & Amplify.
“Alpha is a state of mind . . .” And that state of mind is a bit “out there” on the psychopathy spectrum. That is why women can’t tell the difference between eon’s 1 and 2. There really isn’t any. The difference is in how the state of mind is directed, and how society views the outcome. The same behaviour is hero or cad depending only on how it affects society. Kill your neighbor, you’re a cad. Kill an invader, you’re a hero. Either way you’re a killer. Most men cannot kill, even in their own defense. They need special… Read more »
The thing I’ve found compensates for women’s lack of appreciation is how easy they are to lead, if you’re consistent and do it a little bit at a time (29th Strategy of War: Take Small Bites).
Blue-pill guy thinks women are equal to men in that they will have appreciation and be resistant to being led. Red-pill guy knows the opposite and is powerful.
Buena Vista – “because the edgy, cool dude with the art gallery has nothing better to do with his life than couple up with someone with the emotional maturity of a 12 year-old.”
This! And as Korth showed, wimminz today do not believe in growing up, just growing old. I listen sometimes to the wimminz friends of my wife when they are here having a hen party, Christ, makes me think I’m back in high school. All these wimminz are over fifty. Fucking sad!
I never heard my mother and her friends be so juvenile……
“” Jeremy, read the first chapter of any romance novel. Women know exactly what they want. “”
Yes. But what they rarely know is what they actually NEED.
There is a massive difference.
Rollo, have you or can you write something along the lines of.
How you (a man) tell when you are being manipulated?
Women, being emotion addicts, are more attracted to the axe murderer and the long lasting range of emotions he provides them, than the emotion limited hero fireman. Women like jobs that provide their emotion fixes, such as ER nurse or social worker, than truck driver. Or did you think women were nurturing, caring?
Re: the Good Man. How soon we forget!
The myth is that women want the Good Man.
re: evolution and attractiveness. God must have loved unattractive men, because He made 80% of us unattractive …
It’s not like successive generations of men are evolving into being more attractive. Am I right? Of course.
It sometimes seems that women cannot distinguish between  and  very well, with  sometimes becoming almost invisible to them. No, a lot of women do not distinguish between the two very well at all. With weak fathers or not fathers growing up it’s not a wonder. I think others have done a good job explaining it. Rollo said above that patience is not in itself attractive. Here is what women do find attractive, a guy who has the self control to hold himself back when necessary but the ability to get it done when necessary. We can see… Read more »
because she is his.
Most women want a man to “own” her whether they will admit it or not. The key is the man has to be alpha enough. She emphatically does not want to be owned by a weak man.
I’ve talked to a few women who are married to very strong men, and each and everyone of them is proud to say that she is his. This often gets convoluted into “she is a doormat” and “he is a controlling jerk”. Much for the same reason that woman above is blowing smoke up her husbands backside.
The myth is that women want the Good Man. No, the myth is that she can find a good man on her terms There are plenty of good men out there who are good on their own terms. His terms very likely do no line up with hers or societies. This is what makes him attractive. Women can’t ever find a man to fit their lists because he is an impossibility in that her list contains several elements of control while assuming attraction is inherent. She can’t figure out that she will never find this man because it is in… Read more »
Rollo, thanks for the link. I’m glad to hear people are still finding this article helpful. Now if we can just get men to see this reality early, instead of having to learn it the hard way around 40 or so.
I often wonder if women of this profile aren’t as much victims of an ideological conditioning as Betatized men are over the course of their lives. Maybe more so. For all that society encouraged me to be a pedastalizing beta, I have to admit there were red-pill messages out there all along. I read stories like The Taming of the Shrew and saw movies like The Quiet Man. Not to mention all the 80s teen movies where the hot chick ignores the Nice Guy until he becomes a stud — beats up the bully, wins the ski tournament — and… Read more »
Another genius piece, thanks Rollo! My two cents? Like Rollo, I actually like women and had already figured out that they were operating at a less rational/conscious level than men seem to understand who feel victimized by all this. But I don’t have a shred of sympathy for them. Some commenter above who got divorced at 43 said it perfectly to the single late 30s/early 40s crowd. “I spent the past 20 years caring for others – while you were out partying.” I actually can’t even relate to most of these women at a basic level. I’ve dated my fair… Read more »
While I’ve been away traveling for work the last couple of weeks, I have been following the last couple of articles and it’s just outstanding stuff, and it never fails to refresh my awareness about how the whole fem-centric imperative is literally sewn into the fabric of our society. Being dosed with positive masculinity makes you see the weave in the fabric, so to speak. Case in point; I’m at an army base last weekend for Family Day (my brother is a sergeant major) and one of his men came to over to the beer cooler, and he and my… Read more »
@Stingray Rollo said above that patience is not in itself attractive. Here is what women do find attractive, a guy who has the self control to hold himself back when necessary but the ability to get it done when necessary. We can see the effort not to unleash in his eyes, and know that he could, but the fact that he can control it is attractive. The fact that we know that he could let it go and get the job done is more attractive. The problem with temperance, humility and self-control is that for the vast majority of women… Read more »
”Good women are not unicorns, and certainly not extinct. The professor’s rant notwithstanding, they exist. Discovering them, filtering for them, requires some original thought and an ability to reject current cultural definitions of “good”, while at the same time learning how to interact with them in a constructive manner (which is profoundly counter-cultural, and requires us to abandon greater-beta, femme-centric, drafthorse behavior and pretensions).” So what? I have friends who were born and raised in Angola. Angola still has fields filled with land mines. These friends of mine know a few of the old folk who walked over the land… Read more »
Honestly, I don’t believe in the existence of good women. A benign tumor will eventually screw you over if you don’t remove it. Women, the women who seem to be good-women are either pretending to be decent folk or are taking their time in order to steal more when they decide to divorce and take that alimony and child-support. I met several religious women who seemed to be all that but turned out to be yet another Alpha-seeker.
@ Prof Hardwig – Got it, you are a MGTOW. Why are you here? Honestly, I’m not being hyperbolic. I’ve examined MGTOW, as I imagine many men here have, and found it a laughably self-destructive philosophy/POV. I don’t know a single MGTOW who doesn’t hate women, isn’t miserable and isn’t controlled by women far more than I am. You just don’t get it. At its most basic, Alpha is a mental frame of mind that is self-oriented and self-pleasing. Alpha puts his needs first and last. And if some woman isn’t interested in him or is giving him grief, she… Read more »
My temperance isn’t attractive to a woman unless she’s already experienced what I’m capable of by prior example. Yes. This is true. Which probably explains why MMA, martial arts and body building are all considered such masculine activities (I haven’t figured out the guitar player dynamic yet, but it’s obviously real). Even then, that control is never arousing because on a limbic level women confuse that control with Beta timidity. No, it wouldn’t be outright arousing. But it can garner respect. I realize that many, many men are more interested in arousing a woman and I also realize that too… Read more »
@Stingray The reason the bodybuilder, MMA guy and semi-pro rock star are arousing is because their SMV and performance capacity are easily identifiable. A guy with a good physique or with even marginal muscle mass is a visual cue of performance capacity. The guitar guy displays evidence of creative intelligence (and likely social proof if he’s good), but even this is mitigated by his physical bearing (being overweight would imbalance his arousal potential) in his capacity to induce arousal. In the past year and a half I’ve promoted 3 “male revue” shows for one of my casino clients. Trust me,… Read more »
@jf12 re: “it’s evolutionarily better for a female to risk it all on the attractive man” This hypothesis has never been proven. In fact, there is empirically at best very very weak and contradictory evidence. Well then, where is your evidence? Support it in the best way possible. re: evolution and attractiveness. God must have loved unattractive men, because He made 80% of us unattractive … It’s not like successive generations of men are evolving into being more attractive. Am I right? Of course. I feel compelled to redress this misinformation. You’re not looking at the big picture here. Sociobiological… Read more »
I agree with everything you have said, but I don’t think I agree with this. How does their physicality inspire respect? It’s been said time and again, that women respect what men do, not who they are. I agree with this sentiment. Do these men garner their respect because their physicality visually demonstrates discipline and women then unconsciously take this information in?
I’d argue both.
Their physicality is a cue for performance capacity (confidence) as well as being an easily understandable evidence of discipline (whether factual or not) in comparison to ‘lesser’ men they more commonly experience.
When you observe a 6′ 3″ bodybuilder with 8% bodyfat and 22″ biceps exhibit self-restraint in a conflict, it visually means more than a guy who’s 5′ 10″ and caries a bit of paunch.
Feminism seems to be libertarianism applied to the sexual market.
hey guy, this is a great site for some info on civilizations from an individual to collective standpoint, based on EvoPsych and resource availability. I’m really interested to see what your take on this is and how it relates to sexual dynamics.
You’re a great writer; enjoy the site and your work.
Eon Howzit? I read here all the time, just don’t comment much 1) those who are courageous, predictable in an ethical / principled way …..gets you nowhere with chicks that I can tell. 2) those who are simply violent (and possibly weak and cowardly), unpredictable in an immoral / amoral way (perceived as exciting, masculine?), and possibly somewhat irrational…… this gets dudes laid like tile. Again I refer to myself. Girls get lubed up because I look like I ride with 81 and do some illegal stuff. Afterwards they might like me in dress blues, but not before. At least… Read more »
”Law 36 Disdain Things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best Revenge By acknowledging a petty problem you give it existence and credibility. The more attention you pay an enemy, the stronger you make him; and a small mistake is often made worse and more visible when you try to fix it. It is sometimes best to leave things alone. If there is something you want but cannot have, show contempt for it. The less interest you reveal, the more superior you seem.” I love that one law. All women are attention whores. Even when you’re on the 7Am… Read more »
“Sounds like an evolutionary jackpot for the biological father. Alpha moves on to fertilize more females while Beta is convinced of his humanity by internalizing his rightful role as cuckold and nurturer of the Alpha’s child by the mother and a feminine-centric social order.” If “evolutionary jackpot” is equivalent to “genetic legacy”, then this is not necessarily true. The environment (through epigenetics, for example) can influence genetic expression, and possibly even through future generations. There is no guarantee that your child will remain completely your child, mentally or physically, if raised by others. And genetics is more complex and subtle… Read more »
On average(I am vastly simplifying here), the ‘meathead’ demographic will outbreed the niceguy demographic(which is all that counts in evolutionary terms). However, the ‘solution’ (which I will get into) makes it clear that these prevailing dynamics are unsustainable. The resolution is still many generations in the future, but one can take comfort that it will happen (if not in one’s lifetime). These things can’t be rushed. Nonetheless, I’ll take the problem listed (rampant selection runaway in female sexual choice) even further: Rampant selection by females will always follow too much ecological prosperity (which implies a relaxation of precedent ecological pressures).… Read more »
@stingray – I’m convinced that part of the guitar player’s allure for women is social. Guy walks in to a party with a guitar, what happens? Everyone gathers around him, and focuses on him. His (assumed) charisma and social status increase.
Easy-E and EPMD are my current favorites. Pure bravado.
@ Prof Hardwig – “When you talk to women like they are human beings they ignore you. ” I wonder, do you get that may only be true for you? It’s the exact opposite for me. I start up conversations with women all the time in various places and they usually respond. I’m 5’8″, 20 lbs over weight, 52 and currently a 5. Hmmm, how could that be? You see, I’m actually genuinely interested in people – men and women alike. When people converse with me, they get that I’m interested in them and want to hear what they have… Read more »
@ Professor: “And others, mostly women I see when I’m out in the city, they’re staring at me, I approach them – they begin to think I’m going to inflect their ego – and I tell them that I have no money. Just to add a little more salt to the wound I tell them that even if I was rich I wouldn’t spend money on them.” If you actually do this, “creepy” may be an accurate description of your behavior. Also, going out of your way to give shit to random women doesn’t sound very MGTOW. Glenn has some… Read more »
@kfg “Most men these days would have to be near starvation to even kill a rabbit for their own food. What woman would want a man who can’t even kill her a rabbit? Doesn’t even make any sense.” I have killed numerous feral hogs, deer, ducks, rabbits, geese, dove, quail, 3 dogs, god knows how many fish, several snakes (rattle snake doesn’t taste as bad as you may think), some turtles, a black buck antelope, frogs, rats, mice,….. Some of the remains hang on my walls. Most men I know have done at least some of the same. We are… Read more »
“Where do you live? Betaville?”
No, but if I ride up to the top of the ridge on a clear day I can see it from there.
” . . . rattle snake doesn’t taste as bad as you may think”
I think it tastes rather like iguana. I rather like iguana. A lot more rattlesnake here than iguana. Iguana don’t like the winter weather on Rattlesnake Mountain. Probably wouldn’t like the summer much either.
“In the past year and a half I’ve promoted 3 “male revue” shows for one of my casino clients. Trust me, the women who attend these strip shows (no nudity) aren’t stimulated with these men’s temperance or self-restraint.” Vegas is an artificial environment. The women who go there are a certain type of women in the first place and, add to that, they are on vacation in a theme park of iniquity, which you are selling tickets for. It isn’t called “Sin City” for nothing. So, you sell them into sin, and then you write how horrible they are for… Read more »
@Kate, Who said anything about Vegas? First off, these shows are in Reno. Secondly, they are one off 2 hour events which are planned 6-8 months in advance in order to find a venue to accommodate the sheer volume of women who plan annual GNOs just to go to the show. Third, these events are so popular (think Magic Mike) that the host casino will offer special weekend room rates to accommodate the, again, planned overflow. Lastly, while there are a few late 20s in the demo, the audience is primarily the 35-50 year old divorced “professional” spinster set of… Read more »
@ Kate – What “problem” is it that you are referring to? Wall/Post-Wall women enjoying looking at hot men who dance and prance and maybe grind a bit for or on them? I see no problem there – just don’t expect me to want to fuck most of them. In fact, i’d rather such old broads get their needs met via commercial means versus expecting guys like me to get it up for them. I wonder, have you ever thought about the phenomena of Viagra? I have never taken it, but I have more than a couple of male friends… Read more »
re: respect. Even if nothing else had ever been said, Stingray’s insistence that the Good Man should be satisfied that he garners respect, reveals that she is a woman. This is how women think: it shouldn’t matter to a man that he doesn’t inspire arousal, because respect for his Manliness is somehow *different* as well as *better*. The truth is that 1. A woman’s specific respect for a man’s manhoodliness is proportional to her arousal, and it has nothing to do with his Goodness and almost nothing to do with her general respect for him as an upstanding member of… Read more »
re: Siirtryion. I’ll try to avoid the Great Wall Of Text by linking to a prior comment. Boiled down, women’s pickers are broken. Again, it has NEVER been shown strongly, NEVER been shown consistently, that *male* secondary sexual charactistics are “honest indicators” of fertilization efficiency. If anything, females tend to prefer sex up attractive but LESS fertile and LESS paternal males. http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/10/the-best-of-rational-male-year-three/#comment-54411 “so-called phenotype-linked fertility hypothesis predicts that male secondary sexual traits are reliable indicators of male fertilization efficiency (Sheldon, 1994). Male fertility may be particularly important aspect of mate quality for females, because it largely determines the reproductive success… Read more »
Hi Rollo, I’ve recently become aware of the manosphere and it’s various blogs books etc. And if I get the picture correct on hypergamy it goes something like this: Young attractive female cashes in on her high SMV by giving her intimacy to alpha males, following her natural instincts. Since birth control is in her hands, she may or may not get pregnant during these years. Getting pregnant would mean an end to the party so most women will opt for not getting pregnant. Then the SMV decline sets in, She becomes aware of that and starts considering the provider… Read more »
Stingray’s insistence that the Good Man should be satisfied that he garners respect, reveals that she is a woman.
I didn’t say this. I simply said respect can be garnered. Nowhere did I say that men should be satisfied with that.
When you observe a 6′ 3″ bodybuilder with 8% bodyfat and 22″ biceps exhibit self-restraint in a conflict, it visually means more than a guy who’s 5′ 10″ and caries a bit of paunch.</b?
Agreed. And what you said now makes sense. Thank you.
Sure. But that can only be part of it. I was struggling to figure out what visually was appealing and arousing about a guitar player and I think Rollo got it. And to add what he said, it also shows mastery. Add all of those things to social proof (not to mention per-selection. Same thing?) and there you go.
A woman’s specific respect for a man’s manhoodliness is proportional to her arousal, and it has nothing to do with his Goodness and almost nothing to do with her general respect for him as an upstanding member of society or whatever. I’ve also never argued this. I’ve argued that what is Good should be determined by the man and not by society (which is largely lead by what women find Good). Ton mentioned not wearing a motorcycle helmet, tattoos, lifting, Southern Nationalism. What here is inherently bad? You mentioned murder, adultery, etc. These are no where near the same vein… Read more »
“Trust me, the women who attend these strip shows (no nudity) aren’t stimulated with these men’s temperance or self-restraint. Their physicality is all the proof they need to prove their capacity for performance and inspire respect.”
Rollo, I’m sure that male strippers have the right body type to inspire female attention. They’re paid for women to look at them, after all.
But I cannot agree that dancing around in a g-string inspires respect from the onlookers.
@ Liz – Do you not respect male strippers? Why? I respect female strippers just as much as any other women. But I don’t grant any women pedestal status anymore so it’s not that I’ve increased my respect for strippers, but rather that I realize women are all “strippers” – it’s just that some are better at it and more honest about it than others. If you think that’s hyperbolic, consider how much money and effort women spend on trying to look sexy. What, do you think they are not trying to gain something by doing do? Social status with… Read more »
Glen: “@ Liz – Do you not respect male strippers? Why?”
I don’t have much of any opinion on male strippers outside of the fact that I don’t believe dancing around in a g string inspires respect. Why would it?
“I respect female strippers just as much as any other women. But I don’t grant any women pedestal status anymore so it’s not that I’ve increased my respect for strippers, but rather that I realize women are all “strippers” – it’s just that some are better at it and more honest about it than others.”
Women aren’t inspiring respect by dancing around in g strings either. Men don’t watch women dancing naked because this inspires respect, and women don’t watch naking men dancing out of the respect it inspires.
Liz, you’re thinking of respect in the light of sitting down in front of your computer and thinking insightfully about what respect ought to imply. If you saw one of these guys in jeans and a t-shirt they’d still be attractive to you and inspire respect, subliminally, if only for the fact that he’d physically outclass 98% of the men likely to be around him at the time. When women see a well built guy there are a plethora of subconscious cues that trigger a ‘respect’ for his potential capacity to perform for them, and out perform other men. A… Read more »
Hm, fair point Rollo.
@Liz, have a read:
@bbb said “I have been married for 37 years. The manosphere has helped me understand the (variable) behavior of my wife and the other women around me. Keeping fit, upping game, amassing wealth are my mantra. Amused mastery during shit tests and application of soft dread at all times are essential to my (our?) happiness.” Exactly. Been married 33 years, and after discovering the manosphere the last year, the bullshit I have endured, and enabled make sense. I have had moments of being alpha, but was a manipulated into being such a White Knight it makes me cringe. When I… Read more »
The counterpoint to this article is that the woman who imprints early, carefully, and luckily, with a man with a SMV 1 to 2 points higher than her, and EACH makes it a priority to keep in shape, game each other, and build wealth, both avoid both the impact of the carousel and the wall.
But “early” means too early in today’s western culture. The feminine imperative directs women to feed their hypergamy until they spoil.
In Japan the saying was /is, “Nobody wants a Christmas cake after Christmas.”
I have been red pill aware for almost a year. Our relationship took a serious dip at first, but eventually recovered and is now far, far more solid than it was. And if/when she dumps me, I’ll hit the ground at full sprint.
RP, we both hope that other married men will use the knowledge to successfully overhaul their relationships so that they are happier. A happy husband makes for, well, a happy husband.
@ Liz – Why would it inspire disrespect? Don’t speak for others, speak for yourself.
Glen: “@ Liz – Why would it inspire disrespect? Don’t speak for others, speak for yourself.”
I didn’t say that dancing in a g string inspires disrespect.
I said that I don’t believe dancing in a g string inspires respect.
I haven’t read it, Rollo, but I will.
pop singer and actress Ariana Grande wants alpha fucks beta bucks… “Nathan, 20, seemed like a great guy and he and Ariana were an adorable couple — the Sam & Cat star has even gushed about his sweet and thoughtful romantic gestures before — but we have to applaud Ariana for being honest with herself. If she wants for a bad boy, then she should go for it. And at just 20, she might as well have fun with a few rough-and-tumble types before settling down.”…”it is time to go back to what she really wants — a bad boy!… Read more »
@bbb “RP, we both hope that other married men will use the knowledge to successfully overhaul their relationships so that they are happier. A happy husband makes for, well, a happy husband.” Absolutely. Initially I tried to inform a few of my married buds about the Red Pill. They think I am nuts….”a 63 y.o. man talking about the matrix and a red pill.” I try to explain the biology and psychology, give references and web links and they roll their eyes. Rollo is SO right…..unplugging someone is dirty work. But you can only lead them to the water….it’s up… Read more »
Guys, just to clarify: when I talk of women I’m referring to tall, natural bondes with blue/green eyes and exquisitely beautiful with sharp, angular shapes to their faces. Her ”booty” and breasts are of no importance to me,hair, eyes, teeth, face and weight is what concerns me and sadly the females I consider to be women are too out of my wallet-range. Yes, women other guys would consider attractive notice me and pay me attention, but so what?I feel no attraction to them and they annoy me. Women who don’t look like Miss Berlin are responsive to me, they enjoy… Read more »
jf12, Don’t pay attention to what women say they want in a man. A ”good” man is the guy who protects her and provisions for her. A good man is the man who died in wars to prevent women from being raped and murdered. I think about it, how many men died to protect the same women who opened their arms to the invading armies and I reflect on it. I respect these soldiers for facing such a gruesome death and going on with it but that part about defending women is retarded as all hell. Unless a woman looks… Read more »
The truth is, while a women can be ok financially by herself, most women simply hate hate hate working. So, the idea that providers have lost their appeal is false. It just takes about 10 years to realize that their husbands and fathers weren’t having a party at work all this time. But, as you say, provider appeal is not the same as lustful desire. Also, Rollo. Do you think that the feminine imperative is simply the way the world is supposed to be. Meaning, that men have always received the shorter end of the deal. Also, part of the… Read more »
”I said that I don’t believe dancing in a g string inspires respect” Actually, it does.The woman who is natural about her sexuality is refreshing. Way too many women pretend to be decent human beings, only to stab their boyfriends and husbands on the back. Women as a general rule pretend to be attracted to good men. They are not. Women are attracted to good-looking men, mass-murderers or not, the men with great looks bang to their heart’s content. I have met many a scoundrel who was always had feminine company and I’ve met many good men who did the… Read more »
”The truth is, while a women can be ok financially by herself, most women simply hate hate hate working. So, the idea that providers have lost their appeal is false. It just takes about 10 years to realize that their husbands and fathers weren’t having a party at work all this time. But, as you say, provider appeal is not the same as lustful desire.” Haha, my mother was a beauty in her time. She had men throwing themselves at her, very good-looking man, yet she married my father. My father wasn’t a made man, he didn’t have any money… Read more »
Yea men can at least learn to be attractive enough for beautiful women. Or at least a dude can make a shit load of money and get laid that way. Even if he’s fat or ugly. If a women is overweight or loses her looks somehow by being unhealthy or by aging, not much she can do. Plastic surgery looks like shit. After they lose their looks a bitchy attitude isn’t going to help them. While they have more fun than most men do when in their younger years, they can’t have too much fun or it could fuck up… Read more »
If I were going to be a troll, I’d question whether you actually had any hair under that hat. The “problem,” Glenn, is that Rollo is part of an industry (doesn’t really matter where) that profits from, in this specific case, women’s drinking and debauchery. Then, here on this blog, he tries to help other men deal with “what women really are” while leaving out the part that he helped them on their way to being “what they really are.” He’s certainly not the only man in the world to not see his own role in things, but it strikes… Read more »
@Kate, I’m sorry did you believe it was my responsibility to make women better ‘human beings’?
You should discuss that with the hens at HUS the next time you’re there popping off about my appearance.
Still waiting on that shot of you and Mark…
I am in my late 20s and starter to earn some money. For the first time I see with no effort whatsoever that the girls get attracted to me. I can only imagine how it is to grow up even more. Even now I get pursuit by single hot mum’s in their 20s who want me to settle down. Which I of course refuse. In my eyes their attempts seem desperate, I can only imagine the desperation increasing more through the years as their SMV decreases further. It’s not that settling down is the enemy but I honestly think that… Read more »
PVH: ”I said that I don’t believe dancing in a g string inspires respect”
Actually, it does.The woman who is natural about her sexuality is refreshing.”
Well, perhaps the Magic Mike performance inspires respect in women more “natural about their sexuality” than I.
Not my type of thing.
Just to add:
I’m throwing out a guess that the performers do not dress as janitors or in pajamas complete with remote control and ‘beer hat’. So I suspect the enthusiasm has more to do with the illusion of watching a fit, “soldier” or “doctor” or “fireman” or “policeman” ….and so forth, stripping down for them. Not just “WOW! I’m so overwhelmed with respect because he’s dancing naked(ish)…this is an actual, paying job!”
Ok Kate my love… “Rollo is part of an industry (doesn’t really matter where) that profits from, in this specific case, women’s drinking and debauchery. Then, here on this blog, he tries to help other men deal with “what women really are” while leaving out the part that he helped them on their way to being “what they really are.”…. Really? Really? Really “are”? Do you really think “Rollo” intended to “profit” from all this and “assisted” women he’s known in their debauchery? Or is he simply a man with normal instincts that all normal men have and the women… Read more »
Kate my love (and despite what you may think I do mean it)…. She said, “Don’t worry, baby”, when she left me “You were alright on your own before I came along And made this happy home” “And you can take that damned up guitar Pack it up and hit the road After all you’re probably better off alone” So I grab that old guitar and hit the high way It doesn’t take too long to pack When an empty seat holds everything you own And I’ve found comfort knowing Within moments notice I could roll After all I’m probably… Read more »
@ Kate – Bryan Caplan of GMU studied how people’s understanding of basic economics varies by sex, and the results were astonishing. Women (in the U.S.), on average, have the same understanding of the basics of economics as adolescent boys. And, in fact, their comprehension DECREASES with more education while for men it increases as they get older and receive more education. For fun, I started asking women questions like, “What is money?” “How do free markets work?” and the answers I got back were mostly stunningly stupid, and not a single one could provide a correct answer to either… Read more »
@George luv: “Or is he simply a man with normal instincts that all normal men have and the women he’s known and knows are just women with normal instincts also.” If participating in orchestrating events where women drink and watch strippers is normal, please tell me the last time you did it. @Rollo: You’re buttering your bread on both sides. You don’t care about making women better human beings? Then what you’re also saying is that you don’t care about men having a better choice of woman. You’re poisoning the well and then selling the antidote. And no amount of… Read more »
All I do is hold up a mirror, you have to want to look.
Your self-righteous recrimination is not my moral crisis.
@ Liz – Oh yeah, you insipid dingbat, “disrespect” means lack of respect. If you lack respect for men dancing in g-strings in public, prancing around luridly, you “disrespect” them. You should try actually looking a word up before you deign to correct someone’s use of a word. .
It’s also a typically cunty female move to try and play semantic games to evade taking responsibility for what you so clearly meant by what you said. Doesn’t fly here through. Grow up and act like an adult instead of an 8 year old girl.
Kate – “You don’t care about making women better human beings?”
Since when is it any man’s job to make women, or any woman, better “human beings”? Or or hat matter to “care”? Why can’t women make themselves better human beings?
Oh… That’s right, I forgot. Women have no agency therefore any failings can be laid at the feet of all men. Far be it for men to expect, let alone think capable of women to ever have impulse control, see the possible pitfalls of their choices or accept responsibility or their actions.