Open Hypergamy

As I wrote in Controlling Interests, the secrecy previously necessary for hypergamy and women’s pluralistic sexual strategy is rapidly being replaced with not just a new, overt, social openness about it, but a flaunting, triumphalism about how men are expected to embrace this new openness about it.

These would be the boys / men who would be taught to “naturally” defer to the authority of women under the auspices of a desire to be an equal partner.

These are the men raised privately and created socially to be ready for women, “when it comes time to settle down, and find someone who wants an equal partner.”

These would be the men ready to expect and accept a woman’s proactive cuckoldry of him in the name of being a pro-feminine equal.

These are the men raised to accept an open form of hypergamy in place of the selling to an old-order Beta provisioning model.

As in this Red Robin commercial, it’s gotten to the point now that the Feminine Imperative is comfortable in ridiculing men for not already being aware of the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of hypergamy, as well as ridiculing them for going along with it anyway.

The expectation that men should already know this dynamic and be ready to accept it, and commit himself to it, engenders genuine shock when a man deviates from that script. As we found with the story of the Spreadsheet Guy a couple weeks ago, the anger female commenters expressed over his logging his wife’s excuses for turning him down sexually was not due to his actions, but rather what those actions represented for the greater whole of men.

Women’s indignation over this was rooted in a Beta man not already being aware of the role he was expected to play. The new order fem-groupthink presumes that any guy who follows the old order socio-sexual contract should already know he’s been cast as a dutiful, providing Beta — he follows the prepared script for the guy who responsibly proves he’s a ‘better man’ for having forgiven her sexual indiscretions with prior Alpha’s and accepting the role of being relegated to being her emotional supporter and hand-holder. And all of this after she’s had her “self-discovery” and know who “she really is.”

Genies and Bottles

This expectation of men being preconditioned to follow a feminine-primary social order is not just limited to women’s expectations. We’ve progressed to the point that blue pill men are becoming vocal advocates for this same acceptance of open hypergamy.

Under the dubious pretense of concern for the general lack of gallant, chivalry and Beta Bucks-side provisioning women are entitled to – in spite of women’s embrace of open hypergamy – these watered down ‘purple pill’ “Dating Coaches” suffer from the same shock and indignation that a woman, somewhere, might not be given her life’s due of having a dutiful Beta awaiting to fulfill the provisioning side of her sexual strategy when her SMV begins to decay in earnest.

In a feminine centric social order, even men must be strong advocates for open hypergamy, and essentially their own proactive cuckoldry. That a woman may be better prepared than most Beta men to provide for her own security is never an afterthought – their sales pitch is the same old-order lie that women will reciprocate intimately for a man’s good nature and virtuous respect for the feminine if he’ll only accept open hypergamy.

But Spreadsheet Guy went off the reservation, “how dare he keep track of his wife’s sexual frequency!” The general anger is rooted in his ‘not getting‘ the social convention that sex (for consummate Beta providers) “tapers off after marriage”, but if he would just Man Up and fall back into his supportive, pre-established role, and learn to be a better, more attentive ‘man’ for his wife, she would (logically) reciprocate with more sex.

For what it’s worth, the men women want to fuck wouldn’t keep track of sexual frequency because the dread of missing out on a sexual opportunity with a desirable Alpha is usually enough to ensure frequency. Alpha Men wouldn’t complain about sexual frequency, they simply move on to a new woman. Beta’s complain about sexual frequency because they are expected to know and accept (now via open hypergamy) that they will never get the type of sex their women had with the Alphas before them, but are led to believe they would get (and better) if they commit to a woman’s provisioning.

Nobody marries their ‘best sex ever’:

According to a recent study by iVillage, less than half of wedded women married the person who was the best sex of their lives (52 percent say that was an ex.) In fact, 66 percent would rather read a book, watch a movie or take a nap than sleep with a spouse.

Amanda Chatel, a 33-year-old writer from the East Village, says, “With the men I’ve loved, the sex has been good, sometimes great, but never ‘best.’ It’s resulted in many orgasms and was fun but, comparatively speaking, it didn’t have that intensity that comes with the ‘best’ sex.

“I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” she adds. “We didn’t have to invest in anything else.”

As you can see here, the incremental problem that advocates of the ‘Man Up and accept your duty to open hypergamy’ meme will find is that reconciling the old-order social contract they need to balance hypergamy will become increasingly more difficult as example after example like this become more evident and more commonplace.

These ‘Dating Coaches’ are hocking advice from the perspective of an old-order social contract for men, in order to reconcile the well earned, well deserved consequences women are now suffering as a result of a new-order, feminine-primary social contract that has embraced unrestrained hypergamy.

Getting the Best of Her

Another link had been making the rounds in the manosphere a few weeks ago, and at the risk of just adding my own voice to the chorus I thought I’d dissect it a bit. You can have a read of the original “advice column” here, but I think the quotes will pretty much tell the story. Emphasis my own:

 Dear Carolyn:

After multiple relationships not working out because both parties were dishonest in one way or another, I decided to use a new approach to my current relationship. I am 23, met my current boyfriend (also 23) online, and decided to be COMPLETELY HONEST.

This was meant to mostly cover my feelings, as I tended to hold things in unhealthily, but I let it fold over to all aspects, including the disclosure of my sexual history. I have now learned this was a mistake.

Not to make any Beta leaning guy even more depressed, but I read this and couldn’t help but see how the Sheryl Sandberg ‘open hypergamy’ model is only going to aggravate more and more unplugged / red pill aware Betas.

Think about how disenfranchised that dutiful Beta is going to be when he is flat out told to his face by a woman, he was conditioned to believe would appreciate his unique old order appeal, that he’ll never be getting the ‘sexual best’ he believed his wife would have waiting for him in marriage. It’s one thing to read article after article detailing the triumphant aspects of a new open hypergamy, and it’s one thing to see it blatantly used in commercial advertising, but it’s quite another to experience it firsthand, viscerally, in your face.

Besides the fact that she’s had multiple “relationships” at age 23, I find it interesting that she’s recognized this ‘openness’ as a mistake. Not a mistake with regards to her own choices, but rather a mistake in feeling comfortable enough to lay bear her sexual strategy for a guy who should expects should already be “accepting of who she is.”

Compare the open hypergamy model with the guy from Saving the Best:

I am so fucking lucky. I got married to a whore, that fucks like a prude.

In feminine-primary society men are constantly and publicly demonized as the ‘manipulator’. The default is to assume men are the one’s to watch out for. Men are the sex with the most dishonest nature with the most to gain sexually by playing games to trick women into believing they’re something they’re not in order to fuck them and leave them.

This presumptions is really a generalized social convention that builds a foundation for more specific social conventions women need in order to exercise feminine-primary control with men and culture on whole. It’s actually a rudimentary convention that’s easy to accept for women since feminine hypergamy has evolved a subconscious ‘vetting’ mechanism into most women’s psyches.

While it’s giggly and entertaining for women to categorize men into Cads and Dads, the irony of their doing so is that this only highlights women’s life-long patterns of deception and the manipulation efforts necessary to effecting their own dualistic sexual strategy.

That sexual selection ‘firmware’, the one which predisposes women on a limbic level to evaluating mating options of short term breeding opportunities (Alpha Fucks) with parental investment opportunities (Beta Bucks), is the same mechanism that made women the more deceptive sex when it comes to sexual strategies. The problem now is that this hypergamous deceptiveness is being replaced with ‘complete honesty’ from a macro-societal level down to an interpersonal one.

And ironically, it will be the most stubborn of blue pill Beta men, advocating for a return to an old-order social contract destroyed by the very women they hope will respond to it, who will be the last to finally accept and respond to the new-order of open hypergamy.

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jacklabear
jacklabear
7 years ago

M Simon August 13th, 2014 at 5:15 pm jacklabear August 13th, 2014 at 5:11 pm “Her intelligence get overridden by her belief. Humans are like that. Generally.” This is true. Now, where did she get her belief from? Is it possible that your basement dweller got his beliefs from the same place? I appreciate your message here. As far as I’m concerned, the current mess needs to be addressed from as many directions as possible at the same time. But consider that where your children are getting their beliefs from seems to be more influential than what even you can… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@jf12:

” . . . the hope that I can plausibly bell myself . . .”

Consider the possibility that your typo is more correct than what you intended.

M Simon
7 years ago

D-Man August 13th, 2014 at 5:21 pm Of your list there are only two things I totally agree with: people are not property, and the free exchange of ideas is not only unstoppable, it is the only thing that will save us all. ================================== If money is not speech they can silence YOU. And to perpetual growth: we are quite far from the limits. It is not something you need worry about in your life time. And probably not for 1,000s of years. Let us take something like the scarcity of gold. What does the finding of the first gold… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

jacklabear August 13th, 2014 at 5:48 pm But consider that where your children are getting their beliefs from seems to be more influential than what even you can bring to bear. I am undaunted. Let me repeat: I have watched anti-Prohibition go from 12% to 54% in 40 years. Against the wishes of ALL the powers. Because 40 years ago some people set out to do it. I suppose it was a different time. We had alphas back then. And what was required for me to get that result? A mountain of wreckage. === What the powers are doing will… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

You know who I feel sorriest for? The women.

You can see it starting even today. The 40 somethings who regret not having children. That cohort will grow.

A 40 something man can still have children. The odds are greatly against 40 something women.

They are setting themselves up for a life of misery.

jacklabear
jacklabear
7 years ago

M Simon August 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm jacklabear August 13th, 2014 at 5:48 pm “I have watched anti-Prohibition go from 12% to 54% in 40 years. Against the wishes of ALL the powers. Because 40 years ago some people set out to do it. I suppose it was a different time. We had alphas back then.” I assume you’re talking about cannabis. Interesting you mention that. Is/was it not the blank slaters who popularized pot? The SJW PC crowd? I never thought of the peace and love hippies as alphas, especially pot smokers. Except for the scam artist types… Read more »

Evan
Evan
7 years ago

I think that there is a paradox out there that is difficult for men to understand. Men hear advice saying “be yourself and relax”. “Stop caring so much!” “Don’t be attached!” I think that the issue there is that men don’t realize to be good with women is that there is an element of indifference but you have to cares about what you want in your life and to not include in your life when it comes to women. Men need to have some standards for how they want their lives to be and what kind of behavior they want… Read more »

melmoth
melmoth
7 years ago

Simon, Too many of your thoughts are grounded in self-congratulation. How do you know childless forty-somethings are set up for a life of misery? I’ll tell you. It’s because YOU had kids therefore it was the right decision and anyone unlike you is flawed/mistaken. It’s the oldest trick in the book; judging others in a way that flatters yourself and/or helps you to feel better about your own decisions. Not very manly is it? To resort to some cheap, mean-girl sniping at other people’s lives to get your own self sorted out. A lot of people are electing to forego… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

jacklabear
August 13th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

Evidently you know nothing of the body’s endocannabinoid system.

Well I have studied it in depth. It cures cancer. And when it is not strong enough to cure cancer exocannabinoids can be used.

Do you have any idea what that one thing alone would save the economy?

I don’t give a sh*t about the hippies. People dying of cancer concern me.

And that is just one disease. Cannabinoids regulate EVERY system in the body.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon – “You know who I feel sorriest for? The women.” Nah, they made their choices based on their inherent nature. We know from the RedPill they are by design hypergamous, deceptive, dishonest, rebellious, highly opportunitic, self centered, and incapable of loyalty. Apparently it’s beyond their control. They are reaping what they have sewn. Faulty impulse control is a bitch, but thankfully not my problem. They always have either one foot out the door, or at least one hand on the knob especially after after meeting the wall. They are simply not worthy of commitment after age 32 when… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

melmoth
August 13th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

Compare:

Be strong! It worked for me. Here is how:

With:

If it wouldn’t bother you too much or take up too much of your time could you please be a little stronger? Pretty please.

melmoth
melmoth
7 years ago

Simon,

Just more self-congratulation on your part. You’re not even bothering to be coherent with it, you’re so drunk on yourself.

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter
August 13th, 2014 at 10:33 pm

Thank you. You get my position.

Where we differ is that I think the wreckage provides opportunity for rebuilding on more solid ground. If the men assert themselves.

BTW at 17 I was Ward Cleaver. By 30 I was Blackbeard the Pirate. By 38 I had started a family with the duplicitous of my choice.

Women are what they are. It is the men who have changed.

Note: this guy:

http://www.singularity2050.com/2012/06/a-first-quarter-poll-on-the-misandry-bubble.html

Thinks the misandry bubble will burst by 2020.

melmoth
melmoth
7 years ago

Women are what they (plus 50 pounds each on average). Men have changed due to rampant female obesity. When a good, clean-cut, modest, athletic man making 200k a year is lampooned by a culture then things are not going well. There about 300 good men in the USA for every 9. 3 million for every 10.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon – “Thank you. You get my position.” Sure. Now I hope you get mine. I refuse to have such creatures as you describe as actively involved in my life. A dog can be trained in less than a year and doesn’t require active ceaseless vigilance. And dogs are loyal. The training and vigilane never stops with women. Like Melmoth I enjoy my leisure too much to make every waking moment outside of work an uncompensated ow reward job. Ten years ago I could he been convinced otherwise. I believe women can behave differently they simply choose not to.… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

Hey guys, you are missing out -> http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2014/08/08/politics-and-feminism/the-insidious-intractable-problem-of-street-harassment/#disqus_thread

I wonder how many of these abusers were PUA’S trying to get laid but were barred from the holy vagina because most Puas don’t have the looks which grant access to free sex?

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 13th, 2014 at 11:14 pm Well. I WANTED a family. And constant vigilance has other uses. In fact I acquired constant vigilance before I got married. So keeping an eye on duplicitous didn’t cost me extra. Constant vigilance has come in very handy in my engineering work. It reduces the number and severity of errors. I got a woman from the “good old days” and character wise she seems no different from the women described here. So there is where we disagree. I don’t think they can change. Why? 1. She wants the best juice she can get.… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

”Women are what they (plus 50 pounds each on average). Men have changed due to rampant female obesity. When a good, clean-cut, modest, athletic man making 200k a year is lampooned by a culture then things are not going well. There about 300 good men in the USA for every 9. 3 million for every 10.” Aren’t like 70% of the male population obese? hard to have women feel attraction for the average man when the average man is a human version of Jabba The Hutt, right? Unless the man owns the football club Chelsa, i’m not seeing the average… Read more »

melmoth
melmoth
7 years ago

The women in America far outpace the men in regards to obesity. Especially among 20 somethings. A lot of the fat men are simply eating along with their whale gf’s. When they split up, the men drop weight. I’ve seen it happen again and again. Women led the obesity/sugar charge and it has ruined the culture. Rotting it from the inside out. There is a lot of ‘blame the male’ around here. Starting to resemble Jezebel. Also, if you’re European then I’m not sure why you would swoop in with the explanation of American social dynamics.

M Simon
7 years ago

Professor Von Hardwiggs
August 13th, 2014 at 11:54 pm

I find that a constant source of amusement. Women do what they can to attract attention and then give you “the look” should you show the slightest interest. The message of course is that “I don’t want YOUR attention”. On to the next one.

I have no idea why men pursue where there is no interest. If they were actually PUAs they would know that wasting time on “no interest” is a waste of time.

D-Man
D-Man
7 years ago

I certainly would welcome a positive swan event for humanity. Nano looks good, love Feynman. Wish he could have been here for the Higgs. That might lead to something.

But hey, aside from congratulating yourself, you wouldn’t be here if you weren’t at least a little bit interested in revolution.

Maybe your son’s just tired of hearing it and hides in the basement. Tell us more, this place is about improvement.

The sphere needs spunky ol cranks who won’t quit tellin us to buck up.

M Simon
7 years ago

melmoth August 14th, 2014 at 12:09 am Funny. I asked the first mate how she rated me. She said “9” I said what about my nose. She was adamant. I rated her a 9. So maybe you are correct. In the end like attracts like. In terms of SMV. I do know that when we were dating she had her choice among several men I would rate as 9s and dominant. So maybe she wasn’t BSing me. I asked her once what made me the best choice for her among the 9s. (that wasn’t quite how I phrased it) “The… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

”susanawalsh Mod Josie • 4 days ago It’s a serious problem in our culture for several reasons. Getting laid is not an achievement that contributes in any lasting way. It is the futile pursuit of hedonism. Most men – like 90+% – are just not going to have more than a handful of sexual partners in their lifetimes. Many will have zero. That will not change no matter what advice is available. Women reject very sexually experienced men for long-term mating.” Straight from the horse’s mouth. She wants men to accept that most men are only going to be the… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

D-Man
August 14th, 2014 at 12:18 am

Thanks!

Old Crank aka Simon

Yeah. I’m up for revolution. It is why I studied Polywell Fusion. Dr. Bussard (the inventor) gave me a personal thank you a couple of months before he died.

If that works out and can be turned into a rocket the solar system is ours. Mars in 2 to 4 weeks. Jupiter in 6 to 12.

We will have 1,000s of years of growth ahead if that works out.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

”. Starting to resemble Jezebel. Also, if you’re European then I’m not sure why you would swoop in with the explanation of American social dynamics.” We have the same culture. We constitute the western world and there’s no difference between European women and American(well, apart from the looks). ”I find that a constant source of amusement. Women do what they can to attract attention and then give you “the look” should you show the slightest interest. The message of course is that “I don’t want YOUR attention”. On to the next one. I have no idea why men pursue where… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

You guys know what I think about PUAS and the religion built surrounding vagina but I must confess this absolute certainty held by women that women themselves are the responsible party for defining what a man is pisses me off. My father defines what a man is. My grandfather also. Some posh, high-nosed nearly 60 year old woman who never worked a day in her life has no right in saying what men must do to be men, nor who is a man and who isn’t a man. ”Getting laid is not an achievement that contributes in any lasting way.… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

I’m kinda coming off as angry. I am, a little bit. As I was reading that inane tirade of how western women – the most protected and desired women in the entire world – are somehow in a worse spot than Middle-eastern women, I remembered how the girls in my college would see me everyday, with my fellow female classmates and male classmates but they wouldn’t enter the elevator with me if it was only I and them, but they had no problem asking me to carry some heavy crap despite not even knowing my name. So, be decent to… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Professor Von Hardwiggs August 14th, 2014 at 12:29 am At birth in the US the ratio is 1.05M to 1.00F. And the ratio does not improve much by age 20. Thing is, death in childbirth made females more valuable. And thus we had a different culture. So what is going on here? Shouldn’t the M/F ratio make women the more valuable sex? Not enough high value men. So we get slut culture. Actually it is probably more like –> #M*MSMV is less than #F*FSMV. and it is actually an integral over the curve. But the above shows the essence without… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

””It’s a serious problem in our culture for several reasons.” ” ”Women reject very sexually experienced men for long-term mating.” This woman seriously has no awareness of what she says. She must be suffering from early onset of alzheimers because she claims one thing in one of her threads, a couple days later she’s contradicting herself, and she’s putting for everyone to see, the nature of women and their dual sexual strategy. Yes, women don’t usually marry who are popular with women. Why? Cristiano Ronaldo has the looks and the money to switch top models every week. No woman can… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
7 years ago

Yes, I once was watching a show, American but shot in Israel. A group of young Israeli girls were sexually teasing a group of American soldiers(I believe) and when the guys made a move these ”good girls” called on their bad boys friends and these guys physically assaulted the soldiers. Women have value and don’t have any value at the same time. There are far more women in China than there are men and dozens of millions of Chinese men are going to die as virgins, so women have the upper-hand and are extremely hypergamous. The dude must be 6… Read more »

MikePhil
MikePhil
7 years ago

@D-Man, good point, and here’s my two cents…. I live in a major urban center in the the Northeast, and my neighborhood is literally crawling with hipsters; I practically have to kick them out of the way to my favorite bar… I’ve noticed a shift or evolution from the de-sexualized, fey and wispy hipster of 2008 to the Victorian sideshow strongman; I’m talking specifically about waxed mustaches, Pine Bros. beards a foot long, striped bathing costume shirts and the odd cravat and suspenders combo. (Yes, a cravat. In summer.) Odd thing though; the same guys who 6 years ago who… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@kfg re:bell.

I am not the stealthiest cat.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: peacocking.

There no reason not to do both; there’s no reason to ever *wait*. Paint your plumage brightly while you grow bigger tail feathers.

Razorwire
Razorwire
7 years ago

Some additional thoughts on the not-so-subtle messaging of the advertisement. Not only does it reflect the brazen entitlement to use men; to trade-up according to her desires, etc. but it is also important to note that the female protagonist is not some fit and tan model, but rather an everywoman: pear-shaped, frumpy, poorly dressed, short-haired, and “in charge” of the situation. Both the chump who gets traded and the new chump are much better looking and it can be assumed that if they made the cut to a real life “date” they also had enough of the the requisite 29-point… Read more »

Razorwire
Razorwire
7 years ago

Oh, and this: “I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” The Sandberg AF/BB advice quite openly squares the “prize” as sex. Changing lanes is thus embedded with the let-down of transitioning from sex-as-the-relationsip to sex-as-part-of-the-relationship. As this becomes “normal”, I find it increasingly difficult to justify upholding a relationship as the “prize”. It is better to be the ex f*ckbuddy who blew her mind (and is still in her phone) than the guy who gets to navigate the transitional waters full of mines – like… Read more »

heyjay
heyjay
7 years ago

Their power is NOT an illusion, we’ve had plenty of discussion about thirsty dudes that will pursue literally any skank.
And it’s sad but it’s also true, I’ve witnessed many of those guys in action, trying to get into the tents (I can’t call these clothings pants) of landwhales. It’s sickening, but it’s pure economics. The supply of pussy doesn’t seem to match the demand or else this wouldn’t happen.
Plus, some of these guys are even more attractive than me.
Gotta have some dignity…

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@jf12:

Just be careful out there.

jacklabear
jacklabear
7 years ago

M Simon August 13th, 2014 at 10:30 pm jacklabear August 13th, 2014 at 9:27 pm “Evidently you know nothing of the body’s endocannabinoid system.” Actually I do know some things about it. URB597 can be found on the market as a ‘research chemical’. There are other known FAAH and MAGL inhibitors and endocannabinoid reuptake inhibitors such as arachidonyl serotonin, VDM-11, AM-404 etc. The analgesic activity of acetaminophen is due to AM-404 being a metabolite. “Cannabinoids regulate EVERY system in the body.” Sure, so do opioids, and most neurotransmitters. Immune cells have receptors for serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. But I would… Read more »

jsr
jsr
7 years ago

Some men claim that men are made to serve women. The bible states that woman was made for man and to be his helper. Genesis 2:18; 1 Corinthians 11:9

Some men claim that intergender problems are men’s fault and that men are the ones responsible for fixing things. The bible states that a woman can build or destroy her home. Proverbs 14:1

One of these sources has more truth than the other

M Simon
7 years ago

jacklabear August 14th, 2014 at 4:22 pm In a conflict, the man that prevails in the long run is the alpha, the loser is the beta. Is that what you were getting at about the people 40 years ago who increased anti-prohibition from 12% to 54%? Yes. And if men determine to prevail they will. But it may take a while. Anyway I’m not into giving up. I’m my own patron saint when it comes to lost causes. ========================= BTW contact me if you have a mind to. My e-mail is on the sidebar at: http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/ It looks like I… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@jacklabear re: “There is a reason why women have historically preferred to mate with intelligent men.”

There OUGHT to be a reason, but almost always women choose unreasonably. There is no evidence that women have ever chosen men to have more children with based on the man’s intelligence per se.

jacklabear
jacklabear
7 years ago

Sure there is evidence. How else do you account for the existence of intelligent men? It is heritable. IQ scores have been going up since measurements have been taken. Intelligence is only one factor among many that a particular woman may find attractive. Suppose all else being equal, would on average intelligence correlate with attraction? I don’t know how well the experiment could be done. There are evolutionary psycologists who believe that one set of men’s courtship behaviors is about entertaining women, and this is whey things like serenading developed. Being good at creative performance requires high brain performance. Coming… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

jacklabear August 15th, 2014 at 3:02 am I can give anecdotal evidence. The first mate was making her final selection one week (I didn’t know it at the time). Three men of similar body type and SMV. All attractive to other ladies. (reasonably high Ns). She chose me for two (related) reasons (I found all this out later). Earning potential and intelligence. The breeding was true. #1 son – artist (bright) #2 son – graduated with honors UChicago – languages #3 son – EE graduate #1 daughter – graduated in the upper part of her class in ChemE So yeah.… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

jacklabear
August 15th, 2014 at 3:02 am

Musical ability correlates with computer programming ability in the modern age. It is one of the questions I ask when hiring. “Do you play a musical instrument?”

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Do you play a musical instrument?”

Several reasonably well. I can get by passibly on everything but double reeds, but if your offer is sufficient I’ll pick up bagpipes and an oboe. I’ve always wanted to be a gentleman; a man who knows how to play the bagpipes – but doesn’t.

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

Considering the quality of women in general these days and the effort that goes into them to keep them…. — MGTOW does not (have to) mean celibacy or (or almost no) sex. A man going his own way has options and can regulate sex accordingly – this is true freedom and empowerment if he manages this approach well. MGTQH – Men Going To Quality Hookers MGTHQ – Men Going to Hooker Quality (all women are hookers nowadays, but going to the [quality] “professionals” is much less expensive [in the long run] and [much] less risky – less chance of entrapment… Read more »

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

PS: Who knows, if very many men start going this way the general quality of women may even increase over time because they would have to set themselves apart from “common hookers”, which they certainly aren’t trying to do right now. The quality of hookers in general would increase too – “unprofessional hoes” (the average modern woman) vs. professional prostitutes.

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

MPTOL – Men Prioritising Their Own Lives
MRTBE – Men Refusing To Be Entrapped
MPTBB – Men Protecting Their Bank Balances
MEBRI – Men Empowered By Rational Intelligence

Men Going Their Own Way

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

MGPI – Men Getting Poon Internationally
MEATO – Men Exploring All Their Options
M3T2C – Men Taking Their Time To Commit
MGFSA – Men Going For Sovereign Autonomy

Men Going Their Own Way

(Yes, I’m in a different time zone – it’s mid-day over here).

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

MRTBM – Men Refusing To Be Manipulated
MSTOH – Men Securing Their Own Homes
MBWBB – Men Being Wise Beyond Belief

Men Going Their Own Way

water cannon boy
water cannon boy
7 years ago

Followed the tweet about MMSL changing it’s tune. In the comment section, Lorri wrote about not understanding hypergamy.

“I also don’t get the concept of hypergamy that is spoken of endlessly in the manosphere. There is a certain level of accomplishment I look for in a male partner. Once found, I don’t keep looking for something better. And NO amount of accomplishment trumps the guy’s personality or intelligence.”

Except for when the personality and intelligence comes in under that minimum accomplishment level. Then it’s trumps it very easily.

orion
orion
7 years ago

@ Elle Bee You are overlooking something. Even if you were 100% correct, I cannot chose security, because even if you fell hard for me because of my awesome security providing skills, the biggest threat for my families security would be YOU. I could promise you security, but with laws being what they are, it is not possible for you to promise me the same in any believable way shape or form. Sure, I could totally alpha you into submission 24/7 as M Simon suggests (doubt it), but with pretty much the same amount of work I can bone 20… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

as M Simon suggests (doubt it) There are outliers and out and out liars. Take yer pick. Makes me no mind. I never felt a sword hanging over me. Ya see. It is like I explained. I made a decision to get married. And I made that decision because the lady in question was 8 1/2 months pregnant. My decision as well. I wanted a family. If I had not wanted that I would still be spinning plates. It is easier. But I was never a big fan of easy for its own sake. I LIKE challenges. Not a common… Read more »

Kiljoy
Kiljoy
7 years ago

M. Simon Is there something you’re not telling us? Go on, get it off your chest The following comes to mind for some reason “In a demotic age, however, their justification for personal license could not long be confined to socially superior types such as themselves. Before very long, what was permissible for the elite became mandatory for hoi polloi; and when the predictable social disaster occurred, in the form of a growing underclass devoid of moral bearings, the elite that had absorbed (indeed, reveled in) Bloomsbury’s influence took the growth of the underclass as evidence that their original grudge… Read more »

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
7 years ago

Rollo, I have a long and relevant story to tell.. I’m going to try to keep it as short as possible.. After reading nearly all of the posts on this site, I want to make a suggestion to young men who want to combat the effects of the red pill, open hypergamy paradigm in which we live today. See the end of my post here if interested. My story in summary, I’m slightly younger than you, and currently going through being dumped by my wife of 20 years, and mother of my three children. Sux, yes. This is due to… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Kiljoy August 21st, 2014 at 8:38 am M. Simon Is there something you’re not telling us? Go on, get it off your chest Once I got married and started raising children I stopped spinning plates. Not out of any moral conviction – I just didn’t have the energy or inclination. Plus it is bad for children to see their parent(s) so engaged. The trouble with our age is that making families is no longer in vogue. My Dad was a plate spinner before he married. He used to brag about his N to me without naming an actual number. Of… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

TuffLuv
August 21st, 2014 at 2:59 pm

Quit being so cautious, dudes!

Well I made my last comment before reading yours. And I must say that any residual blue pill can poison things. But on risk we are in accord.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
7 years ago

And I must say that any residual blue pill can poison things. Well, if the manosphere is telling us we shall not dare to ever love a woman, that’s too bad. Truth is, I love her with all her faults, red pill or not. To have lived our married life without at least some naivete that she truly loved me back would have been pretty pointless for my soul, don’t you think? I think all these acute observations Rollo makes are very accurate, but I also think in an LTR, these tendencies can wax and wane on a very broad… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

TuffLuv
August 21st, 2014 at 4:45 pm

Loving her and keeping the relationship intact are in the main two different questions. If you do love her you have to put blue pill aside – totally. Doesn’t mean you can’t be nice. But you MUST maintain dominance. Any chink in the armor not corrected will be poison. Slow or fast. You must make her submit. And keep her that way (with all the multiple meanings you can derive from those 5 words).

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
7 years ago

Thank you. I shall endeavor.

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laissezblu
October 20th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

The good old days aren’t coming back as long as resources are more plentiful than men. I was lucky. I got a head start on the current situation in ’62. My first girlfriend taught me the rudiments of game. It took me until 18 to get the first one (actually she got me). They became more frequent after that.

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Patrick Pedat Ebediyah Golston

Became red-pill a couple of years ago.

I thought I was catching on, but I recently failed, guys. I’m ashamed that I failed. Everything I didn’t want to believe about the person, was damn near everything I read.

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Newbie 101
Newbie 101
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Im a newbie and just learning this concept, so be easy on me guys 🙂 I would like to leave here a real life example of female behaviour which occurred just yesterday and I am trying to decode/rationalize. Any help or corrections anyone can provide are much appreciated. Real life story from yesterday: A friend of mine was dumped a few days ago, over the last few weeks she has been openly informing him that since their relationship wasnt going well, she has just been hanging out with another guy (this is one of a few Orbiters she has) apparently… Read more »

Newbie 101
Newbie 101
6 years ago

correction:
She openly tells him that a couple of days ago SHE went so see this other guy to his house but “nothing happened”. For some reason, my friend believes her.

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