Open Hypergamy

As I wrote in Controlling Interests, the secrecy previously necessary for hypergamy and women’s pluralistic sexual strategy is rapidly being replaced with not just a new, overt, social openness about it, but a flaunting, triumphalism about how men are expected to embrace this new openness about it.

These would be the boys / men who would be taught to “naturally” defer to the authority of women under the auspices of a desire to be an equal partner.

These are the men raised privately and created socially to be ready for women, “when it comes time to settle down, and find someone who wants an equal partner.”

These would be the men ready to expect and accept a woman’s proactive cuckoldry of him in the name of being a pro-feminine equal.

These are the men raised to accept an open form of hypergamy in place of the selling to an old-order Beta provisioning model.

As in this Red Robin commercial, it’s gotten to the point now that the Feminine Imperative is comfortable in ridiculing men for not already being aware of the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of hypergamy, as well as ridiculing them for going along with it anyway.

The expectation that men should already know this dynamic and be ready to accept it, and commit himself to it, engenders genuine shock when a man deviates from that script. As we found with the story of the Spreadsheet Guy a couple weeks ago, the anger female commenters expressed over his logging his wife’s excuses for turning him down sexually was not due to his actions, but rather what those actions represented for the greater whole of men.

Women’s indignation over this was rooted in a Beta man not already being aware of the role he was expected to play. The new order fem-groupthink presumes that any guy who follows the old order socio-sexual contract should already know he’s been cast as a dutiful, providing Beta — he follows the prepared script for the guy who responsibly proves he’s a ‘better man’ for having forgiven her sexual indiscretions with prior Alpha’s and accepting the role of being relegated to being her emotional supporter and hand-holder. And all of this after she’s had her “self-discovery” and know who “she really is.”

Genies and Bottles

This expectation of men being preconditioned to follow a feminine-primary social order is not just limited to women’s expectations. We’ve progressed to the point that blue pill men are becoming vocal advocates for this same acceptance of open hypergamy.

Under the dubious pretense of concern for the general lack of gallant, chivalry and Beta Bucks-side provisioning women are entitled to – in spite of women’s embrace of open hypergamy – these watered down ‘purple pill’ “Dating Coaches” suffer from the same shock and indignation that a woman, somewhere, might not be given her life’s due of having a dutiful Beta awaiting to fulfill the provisioning side of her sexual strategy when her SMV begins to decay in earnest.

In a feminine centric social order, even men must be strong advocates for open hypergamy, and essentially their own proactive cuckoldry. That a woman may be better prepared than most Beta men to provide for her own security is never an afterthought – their sales pitch is the same old-order lie that women will reciprocate intimately for a man’s good nature and virtuous respect for the feminine if he’ll only accept open hypergamy.

But Spreadsheet Guy went off the reservation, “how dare he keep track of his wife’s sexual frequency!” The general anger is rooted in his ‘not getting‘ the social convention that sex (for consummate Beta providers) “tapers off after marriage”, but if he would just Man Up and fall back into his supportive, pre-established role, and learn to be a better, more attentive ‘man’ for his wife, she would (logically) reciprocate with more sex.

For what it’s worth, the men women want to fuck wouldn’t keep track of sexual frequency because the dread of missing out on a sexual opportunity with a desirable Alpha is usually enough to ensure frequency. Alpha Men wouldn’t complain about sexual frequency, they simply move on to a new woman. Beta’s complain about sexual frequency because they are expected to know and accept (now via open hypergamy) that they will never get the type of sex their women had with the Alphas before them, but are led to believe they would get (and better) if they commit to a woman’s provisioning.

Nobody marries their ‘best sex ever’:

According to a recent study by iVillage, less than half of wedded women married the person who was the best sex of their lives (52 percent say that was an ex.) In fact, 66 percent would rather read a book, watch a movie or take a nap than sleep with a spouse.

Amanda Chatel, a 33-year-old writer from the East Village, says, “With the men I’ve loved, the sex has been good, sometimes great, but never ‘best.’ It’s resulted in many orgasms and was fun but, comparatively speaking, it didn’t have that intensity that comes with the ‘best’ sex.

“I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” she adds. “We didn’t have to invest in anything else.”

As you can see here, the incremental problem that advocates of the ‘Man Up and accept your duty to open hypergamy’ meme will find is that reconciling the old-order social contract they need to balance hypergamy will become increasingly more difficult as example after example like this become more evident and more commonplace.

These ‘Dating Coaches’ are hocking advice from the perspective of an old-order social contract for men, in order to reconcile the well earned, well deserved consequences women are now suffering as a result of a new-order, feminine-primary social contract that has embraced unrestrained hypergamy.

Getting the Best of Her

Another link had been making the rounds in the manosphere a few weeks ago, and at the risk of just adding my own voice to the chorus I thought I’d dissect it a bit. You can have a read of the original “advice column” here, but I think the quotes will pretty much tell the story. Emphasis my own:

 Dear Carolyn:

After multiple relationships not working out because both parties were dishonest in one way or another, I decided to use a new approach to my current relationship. I am 23, met my current boyfriend (also 23) online, and decided to be COMPLETELY HONEST.

This was meant to mostly cover my feelings, as I tended to hold things in unhealthily, but I let it fold over to all aspects, including the disclosure of my sexual history. I have now learned this was a mistake.

Not to make any Beta leaning guy even more depressed, but I read this and couldn’t help but see how the Sheryl Sandberg ‘open hypergamy’ model is only going to aggravate more and more unplugged / red pill aware Betas.

Think about how disenfranchised that dutiful Beta is going to be when he is flat out told to his face by a woman, he was conditioned to believe would appreciate his unique old order appeal, that he’ll never be getting the ‘sexual best’ he believed his wife would have waiting for him in marriage. It’s one thing to read article after article detailing the triumphant aspects of a new open hypergamy, and it’s one thing to see it blatantly used in commercial advertising, but it’s quite another to experience it firsthand, viscerally, in your face.

Besides the fact that she’s had multiple “relationships” at age 23, I find it interesting that she’s recognized this ‘openness’ as a mistake. Not a mistake with regards to her own choices, but rather a mistake in feeling comfortable enough to lay bear her sexual strategy for a guy who should expects should already be “accepting of who she is.”

Compare the open hypergamy model with the guy from Saving the Best:

I am so fucking lucky. I got married to a whore, that fucks like a prude.

In feminine-primary society men are constantly and publicly demonized as the ‘manipulator’. The default is to assume men are the one’s to watch out for. Men are the sex with the most dishonest nature with the most to gain sexually by playing games to trick women into believing they’re something they’re not in order to fuck them and leave them.

This presumptions is really a generalized social convention that builds a foundation for more specific social conventions women need in order to exercise feminine-primary control with men and culture on whole. It’s actually a rudimentary convention that’s easy to accept for women since feminine hypergamy has evolved a subconscious ‘vetting’ mechanism into most women’s psyches.

While it’s giggly and entertaining for women to categorize men into Cads and Dads, the irony of their doing so is that this only highlights women’s life-long patterns of deception and the manipulation efforts necessary to effecting their own dualistic sexual strategy.

That sexual selection ‘firmware’, the one which predisposes women on a limbic level to evaluating mating options of short term breeding opportunities (Alpha Fucks) with parental investment opportunities (Beta Bucks), is the same mechanism that made women the more deceptive sex when it comes to sexual strategies. The problem now is that this hypergamous deceptiveness is being replaced with ‘complete honesty’ from a macro-societal level down to an interpersonal one.

And ironically, it will be the most stubborn of blue pill Beta men, advocating for a return to an old-order social contract destroyed by the very women they hope will respond to it, who will be the last to finally accept and respond to the new-order of open hypergamy.

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Softek
Softek
7 years ago

If a person really believed they could be successful, they wouldn’t need you to tell them, “Of course you can be successful.” It’s ridiculous that somebody becomes a psychiatrist or a psychologist, with years and years of schooling, and spends time telling a patient something obvious such as, “Of course you can be successful. There are opportunities in this world.” The real problem is how to interrupt the pattern of behavior that continues to reinforce the belief system, and how to help the person examine their own belief system, to help them acknowledge other choices that are available in the… Read more »

Brian
Brian
7 years ago

@M. Simon –

You may well be right. But at this point, what does a man get for all his effort?

A used woman. A used, American woman.

A used American woman who will get bored with you, accuse you of abuse, blow up your family, and fuck the hell out of Harley McRocknanddrummer in YOUR marital bed.

Or I can go to the range.

To put it in terms of “Clue”: Everyone. In the bathroom. With a condom.

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

@ Badpainter “That’s right it’s all the fault of men. Older men, who raised generations X Y and millenial.” Exactly – that’s why we have to deal with all these spoilt brats. M. Simon: “…do you know why there is no quality poon? Because there are no quality men.” Yes, that’s the biggest con of all… As if “the moulding of quality women” is somehow the responsibility of “men who man up”. Why indeed is this not the responsibility of mothers? So a mother can have a complete hands-off approach to bringing up her feral young female off-spring and then… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

There was a time in America when boys were raised to be men, good men, institutions like the the Boy Scouts provided a solid philosphical framework for reponsibility and good citizenship. Today being referred to as a “Boy Scout” is a slur, an insult, and a warning that that guy is unattractive. Society, like women, hates the Betas. Society doesn’t want us, doesn’t believe it needs us, and won’t respect us. That’s why we are quitting, or enjoying the decline, or pursuing other things than abuse and punishment. Calls to man up, and Alpha up will fall on deaf ears.… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am

My daughter is a 9.5. And that is not my estimation. Although I agree.

I don’t think you can blame me. I attribute her good looks to the fact that I’m no surrender monkey.

jf12
August 9th, 2014 at 10:06 am

d’accord. (Daughter just returned from a trip to France.)

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

You don’t HAVE to be a beta. I got my Red Pill from my first GF at age 18 (I was very lucky). I haven’t been beta since.

Beta is a choice. And with what is known now it is surrender. When I got the news it was uncommon knowledge. You have no such excuse.

Ugly women and weak men. I think we have a match.

M Simon
7 years ago

Ya know. I’m fn sick and tired of all the moaning. Life is so unfair. Women are so mean. A man ain’t got a chance. Wake up – men were always expendable. What is the ratio? Billions of sperm per egg on a monthly basis. You can do your very best or surrender. Pockets of surrender I get. But a whole culture? Who castrated all those men? It wasn’t women. The men did it to themselves. jf12, I guess we are the designated SGTs. We have to whip these boys into a fighting force. I LOVE the smell of testosterone… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon, I got the news officially about a year ago. I’m 43. My conditioning and BluePill indoctrination was perfect. Yes, I am working on it. No I haven’t a damn to give about this society. If I have women in my life or not I really don’t care they offer nothing of durable value, but are amusing in their way. Women are not my problem. Their desires not my concern. My life and its conduct are not for others to decide. I am not a service animal. My terms are the only terms. I am through with negotiating…anything. Compromise… Read more »

DarkPill
DarkPill
7 years ago

Open Hypergamy:
“PUA In-Field – My BF is White and He’s 6 Feet Tall!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCr-hRhMvGg

I tend to disagree with the statement, “It’s not you, it’s her.”

Often times, it is you but that’s not what men (even red-pillers) want to hear.

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 9th, 2014 at 3:06 pm You only got half the Red Pill. Because you are not getting that you ARE a service animal. And the better you serve others the better you will be served. As long as you are connected you will serve some one. DarkPill August 9th, 2014 at 3:50 pm Often times, it is you but that’s not what men (even red-pillers) want to hear. Yes! Most are only getting half the required dose. They get the genetics of female desire but fail to look at what they were “made” for. Women get what men… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon, I serve at my pleasure and on my terms. I expect..no insist upon being paid in full for my service. Payments must regular, knowable,and predictable. No longer do I invest in the hope of future payoffs. Yes men serve women but there must be reciprocal service to men. Today women collectively use men and offer shit in return. Individually we all have to make our own accommodations regarding terms of service to others. Nothing is free. There are no guarantees. One of things that is not gauranteed is the continued compliance of the Beta class. If you seek… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

And we look on women as insane.

Not half as insane as men who deny their fundamental nature.

Any successful civilization MUST serve women. Or there won’t be a civilization for long. The deal is not avoiding service, but figuring out how to get better terms.

And you know what kind of deal men will get in a civilizational collapse? Women and children first. Because men are expendable.

Why men want to cut off their balls which will be followed by getting their throats cut is beyond me.

M Simon
7 years ago

Today women collectively use men and offer shit in return.

Because men were/are to stupid to know how to get a better deal. And of course men’s stupidity is being blamed on women. How stupid can you get? Terminally stupid.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news (actually I take great joy in it – glee even) but your bad deal is not her fault. It is yours. If you knew how to dominate her you would have gotten a better deal.

All my sons know game. I made sure of it.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Rollo, there’s a lot of Red Pill material to be mined in old movies. From the 1937 production of “Double Wedding”:

William Powell as Charlie Lodge:

Women don’t like noble, self-sacrificing men. Women are not civilized like we are. They like bloodshed. They like forceful men, like me.

I heard other Red Pill quotes, but don’t remember them.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Civilization is by and for men. The fact women benefit is because men aren’t all assholes. Men fight and die for their versions of civilization because that is what they create. Women create babies. It matters not what sort of society, or level of civilization exists so long as those babies live to reproduce. It’s women and children first because the next generation of people needs exist to carry on that civilization. Men make that sacrifice for selfish reasons, to see that their children and their accomplishments are remembered and added to. It’s a delicate thing, and it’s entirely abstract.… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

If you seek the Drill Sargent of reform you had best be able to articulate a platform that provides real hope and celebrates the dignity of all men. I offer no hope except somewhat better terms. And of course the chance to carry on your civilization. If that is not your cuppa and you do not want to dominate not to worry. There are plenty of other folks out there whose civilizations are not as nice as ours (shitty though it is) who will be more than happy to dominate. Right now we have the Russians, Chinese, and Islamics vying… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 9th, 2014 at 5:20 pm OK. So it is all corrupt and you as a Beta have been given a raw deal. My answer is –> All Men Alphas. Too much effort for you? Too much butt hurt from being ignorant? My sad pronouncement is that you deserved to lose. Until men can regain control of politics that is the only available solution. And men in this civilization will NEVER regain control of politics unless they Alpha up. http://youtu.be/9b5g1avyCSA http://www.pattonhq.com/speech.html “Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Simon

If you knew how to dominate her you would have gotten a better deal.

Are sterile/infecund American women worth dominating? There aren’t a lot of fecund unicorns to go around. We need a strategy to find and raise unicorns. Game won’t help with that.

M Simon
7 years ago

Patton got it:

I don’t give a fuck for a man who’s not always on his toes.

All men Alphas.

M Simon
7 years ago

theasdgamer August 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm Well jeeze. My apologies that you couldn’t find a fertile woman. You just find some nice quite place where you won’t be disturbed and go for the long sleep. American women are what they are because American men are pussies. You are going to have to make do until you can start breeding a better generation. So it will not you who reaps the rewards of your effort. Can you plant a fig tree at age 90? That is a very old Jewish tradition. We do what we do for the next generation… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

“Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don’t want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the… Read more »

blogster
blogster
7 years ago

Rollo, The very open hypergamy you speak of is starting to get play here in Australia in the MSM: http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/love-honour–betray-20140805-3d6ba.html The TL;DR is that this guy discovered through text his wife was seeing someone else and that she ‘loved him but was not in love with him’ (yes, i know, sounds familiar). Although framed as a story of the challenges of single parents (tellingly the 2 girls chose to live with him), there are several choice lines from this article: “My wife denied it, in fact she was indignant. Who? Never heard of him! What? Don’t be ridiculous!” “A few… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

I was lucky enough to be born in 1944. I knew those warriors personally. They raised me. My dad was one. I have been very lucky. But I also decided long ago that lack of courage was not going to be one of my faults.

Just as I decided at age 18 that I wasn’t going to be a beta (after a few lessons on that from my first GF).

But men now have the tools to prevail. If they want to. But to prevail you are all going to have to alpha up.

blogster
blogster
7 years ago

@ walawala “That seems to work for a while then the girl starts to see her friends being waited on hand and foot by some beta dickless eunech and I get shit-tested and need to dump them or I get dumped.” Can you expand on this? I feel this happened to me last year and want to clarify. I was casually seeing someone (from another country) and made it clear that I couldn’t give comittment. She would fly to see me at Christmas time etc. One holiday she started with the passive aggressiveness, shit testing rudeness saying I was ignoring… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon – “But to prevail you are all going to have to alpha up.” Which means what exactly? Whose ass do I kick first? I really don’t know what you’re requesting of us short of open insurrection. I’m not entirely opposed to that BTW. I’ll fight for my country (well maybe not California ) but not for my government. I won’t fight for women collectively, and precious few individually. They won’t appreciate the effort anyway so why bother. I also suspect I don’t understand what you mean by dominate. As I understand that it’s not something I can do… Read more »

Snowy
Snowy
7 years ago

Re: M. Simon and the Man-up mantra. Your wife is making a choice to submit to your authority (“dominance”, as you put it). If she weren’t, she would be no different to all the other rebellious bitches out there. The problem with the Man-up mantra is twofold: it puts all the responsibility upon the man but without laws to back him up (in fact the laws erode his power so that he has all the responsibilities with no power to back up his responsibilities); and, precisely as you intimate, under the Man-up mantra women have no agency (and certainly no… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 9th, 2014 at 7:28 pm Man up – to start with get out of the loser mentality. The “I can’t do it”. Of course you can. It just takes practice. Second off it means formulating a political program. And then working to gain adherents. I think I mentioned that I was a Beta with a self estimated score of 1 or 2 until I learned game at age 18. (1962). I went to the senior prom with a 2. Because she couldn’t get a date with anyone else. And I felt lucky to have her. My attitude lowered… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Snowy
August 9th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

Well of course she has decided to submit. But they don’t do it automatically. It is not in their nature. You have to work them until they WANT it.

Why you are a loser is that you are convinced it can’t be done.

You will start to win when you begin work on figuring out how to do it.

I learned game at 18. I started to get good at it at 24. By 30 I was a suave as any of them that got it instinctively.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
7 years ago

I think open hyperagamy is very revealing of the current dynamics of the sexual market. Jason Molloy at Evo and Proud provided empirical evidence showing that in high female value societies (less women than men) strict monogamy is the defacto female preference but in high male value societies (more females than men) sexual promiscuity is the male preference. The theory being that when females hold the power they prefer monogamy but when males hold the power they prefer promiscuity. So what does it reveal about today’s sexual market? The average market price for males is lower than the average price… Read more »

Codger
Codger
7 years ago

Trying to post this again… Prosperity has made us motivationally challenged. I really believe many men are secretly — and many openly — hoping for the whole shit show to collapse. Spend time at Zero Hedge sometime, read Strauss’ and Howe’s The Fourth Turning, Nassim Talib or any of Jack Donovan’s works (ironically a gay man, but one who evangelizes on the virtues of masculinity) and it’s clear that there is a desire to just get on with it and let societal collapse happen sooner rather than later so *men* can pick up the pieces and put things back in… Read more »

Promethean
Promethean
7 years ago

I will just leave this here. Link and article in case the link does not work. http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/love,-sex-and-relationships/the-three-little-words-that-ended-a-marriage-20140810-3dg37.html The three little words that ended a marriage. “Goodnight, my love.” Three little words. Three tender words that any man would love to hear, but these weren’t meant for me. They were meant for another man. These were words of betrayal, and they reached out from the sent folder of my wife’s mobile phone and formed a circle of stone-cold dread around my heart. I looked back at her – my wife, the mother of our children – sleeping peacefully in our bed,… Read more »

JackTheBerserker
JackTheBerserker
7 years ago

@ M Simon

here you go:

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JackTheBerserker
JackTheBerserker
7 years ago

@ M Simon

Here you go:

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Snowy
Snowy
7 years ago

Re: M. Simon and the Man-up mantra 2 Like so many Man-up proponents, you intimate that there are no forces external to the man at play; that everything is within the power of the man (to change, etc.). This is true, except the man does not have the legal powers that go along with those responsibilities he is more than willing to take on in his role as a real man. Everyman is willing and able to do this, but does not have the power that goes along with the responsibilities he takes on. Feminism has seen to that. Everyman… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Codger, That all fits very neatly with my grand theory of history. 1000-1030 first crusade 1100-1130 second crusade 1200-1230 third crusade 1300-1330 fourth crusade/last phase 100 years war **Note** dates for crusades are approximate, I’m too lazy to look them up right now. 1415-1445 wars of Italian Península/Papal States 1517-1535 wars of the reformation 1618-1638 thirty years war 1714-1756 wars of Louis XIV/Seven Years War 1789-1815 Napoleonic Wars 1914-1945 WW1&WW2 A thirty year war approximately every hundred years for the last thousand years. Who wil be the 21st century’s Gavrilo Princip? Before the Zerohedge Black Swan I expect the next… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Snowy,

You capture the externalities neatly. Given the practical realities I can safely say there is no woman worth the risk of jail. If one steps to far out of line there’s VAWA and the lose of 2nd Amendment rights. That’s the Sword of Damocles gives me pause.

So I screen for compliance. I have a zero tolerance policy for stupid. That means severe shit tests are answered by Next! Easier and safer to move on to another target.

I am just not interested in trying to convert a SIW into a reasonable mate.

Snowy
Snowy
7 years ago

Same with me Badpainter. I’m not about to get all gung-ho with all this Alpha stuff. M. Simon is no more a Alpha than you or me. I’m not in a hurry to try ‘taming’ some out-of-control crazy bitch. I was already married to one of those, and she still continues (10 years later) to cause grief between me and my two sons; a grief I am completely disempowered to relieve. I need a woman worthy, appreciative and respectful of my strength, not some stupid mole I have to mold ad infinitum.

M Simon
7 years ago

Spend time at Zero Hedge I used to. But it has become such a cesspool of Jew hatred…. re: M/F ratios. A shift of as little as 5% in either direction is enough to make the change. On college campuses the ratio runs to as much as 1.5F to 1M these days. The 60s – so reviled by the social conservatives started off because the ratio was 1.05F to 1M. And then along came the Vietnam War which took a lot of men out of the pool and that accelerated the shift. The current shift is because college is not… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

Snowy
August 10th, 2014 at 12:46 am

As I pointed out up thread. Alphaness is for the most part not intrinsic. It can be learned. You can tame your “shrew” if you want to. And you don’t do it for yourself. What would be the point? You do it for your children. Children are damaged by broken homes.

M Simon
7 years ago

Snowy August 9th, 2014 at 11:50 pm Legality has nothing to do with taming your shrew. Yes. The odds are stacked against you. If you accept the odds. But like card counting in blackjack there are things you can do to put the odds back in your favor. It pains me to see so many men giving up. Who do not even try. Ah. Well. More for me. And it keeps the first mate on her toes when I remind her of the competition. So I guess I should thank you for your help. What I did when I was… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Outdone by some stranger who was better than me in the “making my wife feel special” department? The last thing you want to do is make her feel special. If you want to keep her she has to think you are special. Always remind her of your options. Let her see you flirting with other women. Tell her every time a woman comes on to you. And even better if she can see it in person. And much better if the woman coming on to you is much younger than she is. Everything must convince her of your worth. Make… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Of course the M. Simon’s of this world would say the man who’s been through the meat grinder probably did something(s) to deserve it, like acting like a beta.

Yes I would. And I have.

I consider myself to be very fortunate to have gotten my Red Pill 50 years ago.

M Simon
7 years ago

Codger
August 9th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention.

http://hermetic.com/crowley/eight-lectures-on-yoga/8yoga2.html

Despite all my failings real and imagined the first mate always gives me props for being her protector.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon, At my age I don’t see children happening. Which means there’s no point to marriage. Which means there’s no reason for me to be a provider. Which means there’s no need to worry about how to keep a woman around. So other than my entertainment there’s little reason to get all fixated on becoming the perfect man in any woman’s eyes. Besides I’m picky and am not interested interested in dealing with contentious people with juvenile psychologies. Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic are huge turn offs. The complete lack of domestic skills, so common today, means no LTR.… Read more »

Snowy
Snowy
7 years ago

Badpainter on August 10, 2014 at 3:44 am “Besides I’m picky and am not interested interested in dealing with contentious people with juvenile psychologies. Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic are huge turn offs. The complete lack of domestic skills, so common today, means no LTR.” Second that, and all of Badpainter’s comment. M. Simon refers to men not being real men these days. And of course there is truth to that. However, it is also true that women are not real women these days, and hardly worth the effort. Also, M. Simon implies that women will naturally, viscerally submit to… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

you don’t get the flipside because your wife has decided not to go down that road She didn’t decide that. I did. If it was up to her I would have had a wife like yours. You have to train them to get what you want. It is no different than dog training. When they do what you want – reward. When they don’t do what you want – no reward. When you take charge she will be much happier. I ask the first mate every time she surrenders to me if it makes her happier. The answer every time… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Also, M. Simon implies that women will naturally, viscerally submit to the man who dominates her. I assume no such thing. You have to be more cunning than they are. You have to pay attention. You have to find an opening. The price you have to pay to get what you want is attention. The ‘Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic’ woman of today, with zero domestic skills and no interest in acquiring them or carrying them out, is not even worth dominating; not worth any effort whatsoever. They are all like that and always have been. My Dad had to… Read more »

nikochoski
7 years ago

@Badpainter I was raised by a father who always warned me not to trust women. My mother and grandmother agreed in the same concept. I remember my grandma even going as far and telling me to sleep with as many girls as possible to gain life experience. My grandpa was sleeping around all the time prior to getting married and was a tough man, a real alpha man. Now even though all that I was still raised to be less than what they wanted me to be. And that is not because of my family. It’s simply the social conditioning… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

JackTheBerserker
August 9th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

I think as a boomer we have failed in our mission. You appear to still be breathing. I’ll put a call in to boomer central and see if something can’t be done.

M Simon
7 years ago

Through swallowing the red pill and moving on with my life, I now face judgement from women for ‘using’ them and never wanting anything else than sex. My female friends even keep their friends away from me in case I make a move and I end up ruining their relationships. It is possible to play Game so you keep on good terms with the exes. In fact I introduced the first mate to several of my exes. One of them was a friend of the first mate for about 5 or 6 years while we lived in the area. There… Read more »

blogster
blogster
7 years ago

Badpainter August 10th, 2014 at 3:44 am All I can say is, terrific post. From my perspective you’ve really nailed it. I am similar in that i don’t chase status for status sake and more interested in my work product. In fact i get confused by those who do and the accompanying social games and pecking orders engaged in as a result (why until recently i struggled to deal with them). Cold hard cost-benefit analysis shows the old model no longer stacks up. And of course if you spell this out, the screaming and shaming get louder (you are getting… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Simon,

Well jeeze. My apologies that you couldn’t find a fertile woman.

I’m not a woman. I’m not solipsistic. Your comment made a stupid assumption. I have kids. I was speaking to the general problem that women are becoming infertile and infecund. White people have been way under the replacement rate for two decades. Are you so clueless that you don’t know about this?

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Badpainter, re: “At my age I don’t see children happening. Which means there’s no point to marriage.”

You mean you don’t think a 38 yr old woman SIW with baby rabies might pick you out of a lineup, I mean catalog?

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

M Simon, thanks for keeping this comment section upbeat!

M Simon
7 years ago

theasdgamer August 10th, 2014 at 8:56 am I attribute that to a number of causes. The number one being the more wealthy a society or segment the lower their fertility rate. Second, the more educated the women the lower the fertility rate. Haven’t you been paying attention for the last 50 or more years? 😉 Then there are the sub causes 1. Trying to start a family later – the later the less likely 2. Various methods of birth control 3. Unwillingness of men to marry I’m kinda the exception. I started with the first mate at age 33 (her)… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Anonymous
August 10th, 2014 at 9:32 am

Honored to be of service.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

The primary causes of infertility/infecundity are age, genetics, STDs, and abortion.

Your experience is from long, long ago. You have still failed to answer my question. How are men to discern in the current SMP which women are fecund/fertile? Until you can answer this question, all your spiel about Game is just so much codswallop.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

jf12- “You mean you don’t think a 38 yr old woman SIW with baby rabies might pick you out of a lineup, I mean catalog?”

Not sure how or why I’d end up in a catalog. However, I really would prefer my children on have correct number of chromosomes so 38 is an automatic disqualifier.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Nicochoski, I assume you’re referring to my statements about dominance. Let me try to explain it this way. An employee that won’t do as I want gets fired, or I fuck with his schedule and ride him about his work product until he quits. I feel nothing but pleasure and relief when firing people. With women the never ending shit tests and rebellions only inspire contempt. The natural lack of respect that is inherent in the beast is offensive in the extreme. As well I can’t be around people I don’t trust. I grow to hate them. Given all of… Read more »

nikochoski
7 years ago

@ M Simon: “It is possible to play Game so you keep on good terms with the exes. In fact I introduced the first mate to several of my exes. One of them was a friend of the first mate for about 5 or 6 years while we lived in the area. There is no need to leave an excess of wreckage while having your fun. And it has advantages. It makes the mate think, “How can I succeed where she failed?” Very handy.” I guess that’s a solution. However, I find it easier not having the guilt around me.… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

nikochoski,

However I will agree with you that every little shit test you have to face, takes away from the respect that you have for them.

Respect is for men, not women. Love is for women.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

theasdgamer- “Respect is for men, not women. Love is for women.”

I find it hard to tolerate the mere presence of those who I don’t respect. Loving them is out of the question. Call it a personal flaw.

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
7 years ago

“I was lucky enough to be born in 1944.”

“Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) –
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles’ first LP.”

LiveFearless
7 years ago

Two Words: Eric Donsky

Tom
Tom
7 years ago

I think the Red Robin ad is interesting from an economic perspective. Both the ad agency and Red Robin plainly think that cuckoldry is appealing to modern females. I’m not at all surprised by the deafening silence from the Feminist crowd who claim to be all about gender equality. If the gender roles were reversed in the commercial there would be outrage. (Imagine a 40-ish man leaving his dumpy wife at the table for a young hottie!) Not a small amount of time and money went into producing the ad. I’m sure it cost plenty to run it on TV.… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

I just overheard a conversation between two women on the Stockholm metro. Two attractive women around 40 years old talking about some guy that had just dumped one of them. She showed pictures of the guy and described how he had transformed from this decent looking (also in this 40s) guy to really hot but also how his personality had changed, he had become “devilish”. The breakup had been about some kind of joint business venture were he had gotten pissed at her and accused her of gold digging. They seemed equal parts amused and puzzled by his transformation. Also,… Read more »

Intrinsic Alpha
Intrinsic Alpha
7 years ago

@ M Simon “Alphaness is for the most part not intrinsic. It can be learned.” I heavily disagree with that statement. Many studies that cover masculinity, height, body size, and voice all conclude that Alpha, for the most part, is intrinsic. When you think about it, it has to be. Both women and men go after ‘honest signals’ in mates and too many faulty signals would have been costly for the survival of the human race. I recall reading one of Rollo’s maxims and it went something along the lines of “Women love you for WHAT you are, not WHO… Read more »

LiveFearless
7 years ago

Do you read here, but you haven’t purchased/reviewed The Rational Male (book)? Here’s my review, still in process: MOST men want to have the kind of family like the author, Rollo Tomassi, does. From his written works, you’ll learn that he has a lovely wife that still enjoys being married to him, and they have a teenager that gets to spend a lot of time with Dad. He is a successful man. His wife is well-educated, has an amazing career and people comment on their happiness together when they’re in public. They’re ‘that couple’ that people wish they could be,… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
7 years ago

Life imitates art.

All, how soon until we see a pendulum swing back?

orion
orion
7 years ago

What I find interessting about this clip is that it only shows the reaction of the woman and of the beta.

Alas, alphas have brains too and after witnessing this scene how could she ever be more to him than a fuck and chuck?

nikochoski
7 years ago

@theasdgamer I completely disagree with that. A woman will not love you until she respects you. And I cannot love someone until I respect them. This applies to man – man relationships and man – woman relationships. Respect doesn’t go towards the gender but rather who hides behind his/her skull. Respect doesn’t imply obedience. In the same way you will respect a mate’s opinion, you will respect a woman’s opinion even if you disagree with her. I am of the opinion that people should do what they like. If she likes to be with me, this is who I am… Read more »

J.J.
J.J.
7 years ago

Let’s put it this way – there’s no law against hypergamy and there’s no law against sexism of the female kind, in fact the environment has been prepared and created where they can be as sexist or misandrist(ic) as they wish, because they have the entire media industrial complex behind them. The game has been flipped completely and it is legitimised by the system. And her we think we (alpha’s and betas) can “game them”. This has got zero to do with M. Simon’s “giving up”. You are looking at spoiled product which has no accountability or responsibility and which… Read more »

Gavin
Gavin
7 years ago

” The women are beautiful and the men are strong and smart.”

Ahahahahaha Oh my! Talk about the force (marketing) having a strong influence on the weak minded…

TV is not reality, man. Go to Brooklyn and have a look around…

MikePhil
MikePhil
7 years ago

I just read that excellent post by Live Fearless, and it made me smile from ear to ear. I wish I could have said that all myself, but I’m glad that someone articulated exactly why I keep coming back here. When you’re blind and feeling around the elephant in the dark, you know it’s something but the shape escapes your comprehension. What’s happened here is that Rollo has provided the light, and by degrees we understand that it’s really an elephant after all; together we are all feeling out the shape and boundaries of this thing. And to further my… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

I cannot love someone until I respect them.

Do women always act like adults, or often like children–due entirely to their biology? Can’t you love a child without respecting a child?

melmoth
melmoth
7 years ago

Simon,

You make some good points but your criticism is too focused on the male. At some point, the women should be accountable for what they’ve become–utter slobs. Men being better, more responsible, stronger etc. will only spoil American women to an even more exaggerrated extent. It’s over. The women in this country are in a state of total degeneracy. You say there are no quality men and I couldn’t disagree more strongly. The quality of men is too good and that is what has spoiled the women to such an extent.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Some people’s supposed emphasis on “honest signals” is completely dishonest.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

On second thought, the best response would have been “You want an honest signal, then here’s one for you. Totally honest.”

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

theasdgamer – “Can’t you love a child without respecting a child?”

A child yes. An adult who behaves like a child and hides behind the excuse of it being her nature despite the intellectual capacity to do otherwise: no.

M Simon
7 years ago

J.J. August 10th, 2014 at 7:45 pm You are confusing nature with politics. You attack my point “Women have not changed” with a litany of political changes. I understand women have you by the balls. But did you have to let them steal you brains as well? Women are hypergamous. You can make them behave by dominance. melmoth August 10th, 2014 at 10:52 pm Women are utter slobs because that is all the effort they need to put in. i.e. They are responding to the males. And you are thinking that women are like men. They are not. They have… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Gavin
August 10th, 2014 at 8:17 pm

In Brooklyn there is no fight for survival (tooth and claw). Same genetic stock (roughly) different results. The environments are different.

Look at the different attitudes of those two places towards weapons.

And you may note that by our typical Western political yard stick Brooklyn is left and that other place is far right.

Where the men are weak the women will be ugly.

You see the same thing anywhere in America. Go to a biker bar and look at the women. Compare that with what you see around you.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Just a note to say no one has offered any description of what I stand to gain from becoming the more perfect man.

So far my responsibilities and shortcomings have been detailed but apparently there no incentives that justify the effort. Should I understand this to mean that there is only duty and anxiety, criticism, never ending work, misery and not a moments peace in the offing?

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 11th, 2014 at 1:35 am Just a note to say no one has offered any description of what I stand to gain from becoming the more perfect man. Well there are at least few possibilities. 1. Nothing 2. More control over your life I can’t see ceding power to the women (MGTOW). It starts with individual acts of active resistance (dominance) and if that spreads through the culture the laws will change. First change: No man should be forced to be responsible for children that are not his own. If we can get that on an individual basis… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon,

What you just described in no way touches on what benefits I can expect from making the effort to obtain an LTR. Larger political issues are separate from what I was asking about.

Then you suggest these possibilities:

1. Nothing
2. More control over your life

How do I have less control over my life eschewing LTRs? I certainly have less control over someone else’s life which bothers me not in the least.

Nothing is not an incentive because it is nothing.

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter
August 11th, 2014 at 2:15 am

The only point of an LTR is children. If you don’t want a family don’t engage.

Politically you will be harmed. You will be paying for other men’s children. Beta bucks in political action.

I decided on a family because I thought I had something worth while (genetically) to offer the next generation. I have not been disappointed.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon – “Politically you will be harmed. You will be paying for other men’s children. Beta bucks in political action” Actually that bothers me much less than paying off the elderly who made this shit sandwich. Before we starve the children, you know the future, let’s kill Social Security and Medicare. I’ll not see a dime of it anyway so nothing’s to lose on my end. Ending wealth transfers to the old might actually save what’s left of the corpse of America. You might keepin mind the difference between you andthe MGTOWs is they have nothing’s lose, and based… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 11th, 2014 at 3:07 am Actually if you have been following along you would know that what I gained was an intact family. The OL did not go running off with some “stud” taking my wallet and a claim on my future income with her. Not to mention having some “stepfather” molesting my daughter. Those are not insignificant gains. If you are not interested in making children of course what I can give you from dominance is worthless. Unless what you want to do is spin a LOT of plates. Which I also did. So yeah. I have… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

M. Simon, Why is that you think that your experience has any relevance to younger men today? You’ve been married since I was three. You are not an active participant in the current SMV. You do not have to engage in any sort of romantic relationship with modern women. Things have changed in ways you cannot fully appreciate. It’s akin to giving me advice on how to deal with computer upgrades and software issues for Windows 8 based on your expertise with punch card IBM mainframes. And nice shaming attempt with whole video game thing. All class. Today’s women are… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

Badpainter August 11th, 2014 at 4:17 am Good question. My best short answer is that I still get hit on by 7s, 8s, and 9s 20 somethings these days. It amuses the first mate to no end. And binds her tighter to me. My guess is that testosterone has a silent smell and girls just love it. And you get that from supreme self confidence. Look at monkey tribes where alpha-beta dynamics are prevalent. The alphas are max testosterone and the betas are subdued. Unless one intends to challenge the alpha. These days as long as you don’t go after… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: MSimon and Badpainter, agreeing more than they think. “They have only one purpose and they are fitted for that.” “Today’s women are fit for little more than recreational sex.” Both agree the ultimate value of females to males is utilitarian, and vice versa. And both agree they do not want to be locked into serving females. MSimon’s version of struggling against the overarching feminine imperative is to advocate more men bravely if stupidly foward marching, conquering a little bit of ground by dogged bulldozing, and planting his flag by dominating his patch. Badpainter possibly correctly advocates not bothering, since… Read more »

Elle Bee (@ElleBee80298051)

Women crave security; and men crave security AND freedom. “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” James 1:8 It seems to me that most of the problems facing men today perhaps can be explained by the fact that so-called betas are trying to go in two different directions at once. The want security, the stable job, the nice house and car, the pretty wife and the 2.4 children. However, they also desire freedom. They want to be able to come and go. They want to live the life of the care-free bachelor, while still receiving all the… Read more »

Centaur
Centaur
7 years ago

Badpainter has summed it all up perfectly, and as usual the Boomer has no real response except self absorbed MEMEME post hoc rationalizations and insults.
As a gen Xer I grew up with Boomers doing nothing but offering criticism and insults, while endlessly praising themselves at every opportunity. Now I watch them do the same to the millennial and following generations.
Boomers can not die off soon enough.

M Simon
7 years ago

http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/20/the-warrior-gene-is-alpha-genetic/

This study has given me a lot more to think about in terms of how we define Alpha, but it correlates well with my prior Alpha concepts. Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.

D-Man
D-Man
7 years ago

“such men give clear, unmistakable signs that they are 100% committed to our economic system” 100% committed to running it into the ground for their own benefit? Pollution? Resource depletion? Debt? Whose debt? Not theirs, no… your children. your grandchildren. Elle’s quote, combined with M Simon’s quotes of Patton rhapsodizing about how to be good little cannon fodder, makes me wonder: When is the sphere going to wake up and realize, it’s the men at the top who are fucking them just as much or more than they think women are? Who do you think heads the corporations, the film… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

jf12
August 11th, 2014 at 9:21 am

It is a question of do you want children or not?

If you don’t women are not worth the bother.

If you do want a family you either dominate her or become road kill. Road kill was never my idea of a good time.

And jf12 When I was spinning plates I didn’t get just a little.

M Simon
7 years ago

D-Man August 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm ISIS is coming for you boy. And you will either find a pair or get your throat slit. http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481&wf=rsscol And Putin has designs on your European friends. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0GB0DW20140811 As does ISIS. You think going beta has little consequence outside your personal world. You should study the history of the 1930s. It followed a period of open hypergamy and wimpery in the 20s. By my calculation it is early 1939. Won’t be long now. I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

I want this to go up sooner so I’m splitting it:

D-Man
August 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

ISIS is coming for you boy. And you will either find a pair or get your throat slit.

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481&wf=rsscol

M Simon
7 years ago

And Putin has designs on your European friends. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0GB0DW20140811 As does ISIS. You think going beta has little consequence outside your personal world. You should study the history of the 1930s. It followed a period of open hypergamy and wimpery in the 20s. By my calculation it is early 1939. Won’t be long now. I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention. – A. C. Thing… Read more »

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