A Sense of Ownership

When I was studying behavioral psychology there was a point when I came across this phenomenon called the Endowment Effect. A friend showed me this video recently and it reminded me of when I’d studied it.

It’s really fascinating how early our sense of ownership develops. There is a school of thought (one I happen to agree with) that this need for ownership is an innate part of out psychological firmware – it’s something we’re born with. We value things more highly once we believe we own something. It makes perfect sense that this would a selected-for part of our evolution. Individuals that possessed this Endowment Effect, theoretically, might have been more adaptable to their surroundings by having something on hand that would aid in their survival at the cost of a competitor. For early man this was likely to be physical tools, but this Endowment Effect would also extend to our progeny and long-term female partners – more on this later.

By extension, our belongings literally become a part of us. This is observable even on a neurological level. Furthermore, our belongings have an essence that becomes unique to us. In other words, we wont settle for (even exact) imitations of our stuff even when they are exact duplicates.

As you might expect from a TED video, the bias towards making this ownership dynamic one of being a bug, rather of a feature, of human development is evident. The new-agey narrative goes like this – if we’re ever to reach the utopian state of egalitarian equalism the Village would have us believe in, we need to somehow unlearn this innate Endowment Effect we evolved to hold. This anti-materialist sentiment is part of a larger socialist/collectivist message that seeks to disempower us by convincing us that this connection to our things is innately bad. Issues of socialism, communism, collectivism, capitalism, etc. are beyond the scope of this blog, but it’s important to consider the drive behind this ‘anti-materialism’ push and how it affects our sense of ownership in intersexual dynamics.

I think it’s interesting that we have a part of our psyches that evolved for ownership; a part of our nature that is decidedly unegalitarian.

If you’re ever read Dawkin’s book, The Selfish Gene, you kind of get a clearer picture of it. Selfish, self-concerned, organisms tend to survive better than overly altruistic or egalitarian ones. Now before you tell me, “On no Rollo, Bonobos are the peacenik, free loving hippy example of egalitarianism in the wild” have a read of The Naked Bonobo and you’ll understand how deliberately false that impression is. If anything Bonobos are far better examples of the more visceral side of Hypergamy in humans. Self-interest is the driver of a great many survival instincts and adaptations in all animals.

Getting back to humans here, combine that evolved, adaptive, selfishness with a hindbrain level, intrinsic sense for ownership – one in which we feel as if it has a direct connection to ourselves – and you can see what social constructivists and equalitarians are trying to undo in humans. If you watch today’s video you’ll better understand this deep connection we have with the things we, selfishly, consider our own. There is a neurological connection between our sense of self and our things.

I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in our belief systems many times throughout my past essays. Briefly, ego-investment is phenomenon of being so intrinsically connected with our beliefs and ideologies that they become part of our personalities. So, to attack the belief is to, literally, attack the person. In a similar fashion the connections we apply to our things also become (to varying degrees) part of who we are. In essence we invest our egos into the things we consider ours – and the greater the effort, cost or the applied significance involved in getting those things the greater the injury is to the self when they are lost, destroyed, damaged or stolen.

In the video there is also a mention of how original items are more valued than an exact copy of those items. Again, this is part of the evolutionary side of humans investing their egos into those things. There is a limbic level need to know that these items are our things because only those things somehow contain the essence of us. Also in the video it’s postulated that the higher price of common items owned by celebrities we admire are a cost we’re willing to pay because we believe part of that celebrity’s essence is somehow contained in that item.

Why is it that we evolved to place such importance in knowing that some thing is ours, and only that thing is ours? Why do we, sometimes obsessively, need to imbue that thing with the essence of us? Why is this (apparently) part of our evolved mental firmware?

The Need to Know

I’m going to speculate here a bit. I think a strong argument can be made for men’s intrinsic need to verify his own paternity being linked to the Endowment Effect. In fact, I’d suggest that this ownership need can extend to not only a man’s children, but also to the women (even potential women) in his life. This isn’t to say women didn’t also evolve this sense – women display the Endowment Effect as much as men – but I’m going to approach this from the male side for the moment.

The video refers to this compulsive need to verify the authenticity of a thing as ‘magical thinking’, but is it really so magical? I think the writer and researcher would have us think this dynamic is silly because it’s ‘just a thing’ right? We shouldn’t place such a high degree of importance on a bicycle or an old guitar. That’s just vulgar materialism, right? Granted, some things, heirlooms maybe, can have sentimental value, but ultimately even those might well be replaceable too. It shouldn’t be so important to know something is magically your own.

Unless the thing that’s your own is your only shot at passing something of yourself into the future.

The butter knife that Elvis used to spread peanut butter on his peanut butter and banana sandwiches could be anything you can find at Walmart, but if his ‘essence‘ was in someway invested in that knife (and anyone cared to know about it) that part of Elvis might go on into perpetuity. That seems like childish magical thinking until you realize that the only part of the average person’s essence that might actually do this is their children. And until just recently, evolutionarily speaking, there wasn’t any completely dependable way to know if a man was 100% invested in his own ‘things’ – his progeny. His kids would carry on his essence, so in our evolved past it made sense to be obsessive-compulsive about the things that we’re one’s own.

As I stated, women also exhibit this effect as well, and I’d argue for much of the same reasons. Though, in none of the research related in this video was this Endowment Effect controlled for by sex – at least none that I’m aware of. Again, this is conjecture, but I would think that with the intrinsic certainty a woman has in knowing a child is her own, and the collectivist communal nature of women in hunter-gatherer society from which we developed, it might be that women place a higher ‘endowed’ value on different things than men do. I think this effect may be more pronounced in an era where women are almost unilaterally in control of Hypergamy.

I recently saw a video of a fertility doctor who had either used his own sperm to fertilize women’s eggs, or completely random samples to father about 40 children. The women, the children (mostly female) were absolutely aghast that he was their father or some donor who they would never know had contributed to half their DNA. The idea that the selection and control of Hypergamy was taken from them was worthy of the death penalty. Yet this is exactly the control we expect men to relinquish in this age. We will pat men on the back for abandoning their evolved instinct to ascertain paternity. We’ll tell a man he’s a hero for wifing up a single mother and “stepping up to be a father” to a child he didn’t sire and at the same time pretend that father’s are superfluous. We’ll change ‘Father’s Day’ to ‘Special Person’s Day’ and tell men they’re insecure in their masculinity for preferring a son or daughter of his own – but try to remove that control from a woman, try to tell her that Hypergamous choice wasn’t hers to make and it’s tantamount to rape.

“She was never yours, it was just your turn.”

I think it was my fellow Red Man Group friend Donovan Sharpe who coined this phrase. I might be wrong. I’ve read this around the usual Red Pill Reddit subs and other manosphere forums, but it wasn’t until last month (July) when I read yet one more story about a husband whose wife was leaving him and was in the process of Zeroing him out when he decided to kill her, their three kids and then himself. You can read the Twitter reaction to this here:

Naturally women were appalled at the deaths of the wife and kids, as they should be. Pre-divorce women will prep months in advance for their new singleness. Often they’ll check out of the marriage and live without any real connection to their, usually Beta, Blue Pill conditioned, husband who languishes in this Blue Pill hell for the duration it takes his wife to establish a new mental persona and finds a way to exit the marriage. She’s already gone from the marriage, but the typical Blue Pill husband believes that he is the source of her discontent and resorts to anything he can to ‘keep things fresh’ or ‘rekindle the old flame’ that a feminine-primary popular culture tells him should be his responsibility. Unfortunately, this guy’s situation is typical of middle aged men today, and I honestly believe is the source that drives suicides and murder-suicides in this demographic. This man was going to be Zeroed Out and he knew it was coming.

That’s when I thought, ‘Was this guy’s turn with her just over?’ Was it as simple as that? If you read this couple’s story there wasn’t a history of him losing his mind. If anything Matthew Edwards was a pretty dedicated and invested father. No history of depression, suicidal tendencies or abuse; just another average frustrated chump who built a life for himself likely based on his Blue Pill conditioning.

But his turn was over and he likely believed the soul-mate myth. How was he supposed to live with out her?

The fem-stream media offers up their standard pablum – “Misogynistic society teaches men that they’re entitled to women’s bodies. Men need to be taught that they don’t own women.” or something similar that goes entirely against a man’s evolved Endowment Effect. What exactly does a man get to think is his own if not his family? When a woman finds out that her Hypergamous choice was made for her by a fertility clinic doctor rather than herself they’re out for blood – again, rightfully so. Then why are we surprised that men, particularly men in Matthew Edwards demographic, resort to murder and suicide when faced with losing everything they’ve invested themselves in.

Now this week we see another, almost identical, tragedy in Colorado this week.

And once again we have what looks like another guy being Zeroed out and another quadruple homicide. How man more of these murder-suicides (or just murders in this case) is it going to take before we collectively see the commonalities in all of them?

I had a conversation with several women in the wake of this latest tragedy and every one of them couldn’t wrap their head around why the guy would kill his kids? They could understand why he might kill his wife – the assumption being her unborn child was sired by guy who wasn’t him – but not his kids. I think this is interesting in the light of how men and women approach paternity/maternity and the Endowment Effect. The best answer I could come up with is that a man doesn’t want that part of him to go on into the future without him. The idea that his kids bear some of his essence and he would rather erase that essence entirely than live or kill himself with the knowledge that his children wouldn’t have him in their lives. Killing a wife might be the result of an uncontrolled rage, but killing your kids takes premeditation – there has to be some point to the act, some reasoning (corrupted as it may be) that made sense to him.

The Strategic Pluralism Theory is from a research study by Dr. Martie Haselton:

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits. Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues. Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000).

The commonalities in every one of these murder-suicides is a Blue Pill conditioned, Beta husband who by all indications was playing by the First Set of Books. By all indications these men would fit into the second type of man mention in Strategic Pluralism Theory – they did everything right, they played by the rules, they did their best to invest themselves in their mates and offspring and likely believed they’d earned some Relational Equity from it. But then, their turn was over with their wives. For whatever reason they were faced with a complete loss, a Zeroing Out, of everything they believed they owned. The things they invested so much of their lives in, the things they worked so hard for, the things that retained his ‘essence’, the things they invested their egos in were all being taken away from them. When faced with such a reality men tend to look at only two options; remake and rebuild what they had in the knowledge that this too might be taken from them, or they can simply erase all themselves and all the ‘things’ they were attached too.

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EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

I like j.

He makes me laugh.

j thinks fucking advantage is reproductive advantage.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

The consistent pedestalizing refrain of ” top tier pussy ” will tell me everything I need to know about a man’s mindset with regards to any form of sexual relations with women. Heat a and years and years of the pedestalizing encouraged by too much pua investing without personal masculine development what so ever. ” …I’ve not seen ” is not an acceptable barrier. Special pussy is.not in any man’s frame. But ” frame ” is evidently impossible for some to grasp when.juxtaposed against top tier pussy. That plays into a woman’s frame, not a man’s. To escape dumb persistent… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

O h yeah, scarcity mindset kills. It kills ration and reason and brain cells rendering one retarded.

Watch you inner messages always, and you’ll bypass ” therapy “. Mind what you tell yourself. Pay attention to the dialogue in your head.

They’re all just girls. If that doesn’t make.sense to gou, ya got plenty of mental work ahead.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Blaximus

A sincere and heart-felt thank you for your comments three years ago and thereafter. It made a big difference in my masculine self-improvement journey back then. I’m in a great space now, partly because of those comments.

And good luck mentoring your band of young men. And making your girls succeed in complementing the masculine.

Love you, man.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Rollo
Are you on Minds/Gab (alt-social-media) yet? I’m refusing to use Twitter anymore but there are people I’m missing for quick-message hits and you’re one of them.

—– Jeremy

Jeremy
6 years ago

Also, just a PSA, Rollo’s talk with Stefan Molyneaux is now up on Stefan’s channel.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Blaximus: “Peace and.health and happiness to you all.”

Likewise. And your little roses too.

Jeremy
6 years ago

Also, PSA to everyone. Rollo’s talk with Stefan Molyneaux is up on his channel.

j
j
6 years ago

@blax “Before was 24, I’d already gotten a triple digit n.count, so @ j, you better get busy as fuck and up your ” game ” before you hit that wall you were talking about.” don’t worry bro. I’ll eclipse the 3 digit milestone by next year. So that took me 5 years vs your 11 years. (You started banging women at 13 right?) “They’re all just girls.” ya….everybody here gets that…but I’d much rather bang girls that look like this https://www.instagram.com/girlsoncampus/?hl=en instead of this https://www.instagram.com/thecougarclub/?hl=en and having banged both types, I can conclude one is definitely better than the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

Jeremy
Where have you been?
https://gab.ai/Rollo-Tomassi

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

I like j.

he makes me laugh.

he confuses fucking with immortality.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@rugby
I’m not on Gab, been using Minds though.

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

Jeremy
Ah well hope he set’s something up. haven’t been on minds in awhile. How is your story going along? You and Forge hope your both Thriving.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@rugby I’ve been mostly working my ass off and travelling for work. In my field, all the old-timers are retiring and handing off tasking to guys like me. Outside of that I’ve been “restoring” the sailboat I purchased using all the skills I have. So in between career and personal projects, social media (outside of Youtube vids) has largely fallen by the wayside for me. I’ve wanted to go to the 21 conferences, but anonymity is something I cherish still and the conferences are getting too mainstream/big. Shame too, because like all guys who’ve read and understood this material, it’s… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Wow.

Just sitting on my patio smoking a ten year aged cigar and drinking a Dirty Blonde.

Listened to the Stefan B. Molyneux/Rollo interview.

Great Framing of the debate. How the hell did Stefan sit on that for so long? He seemed to be really into the topics discussed.

Orson
Orson
6 years ago

@j “having banged both types, I can conclude one is definitely better than the other. hence 1st tier vs 2nd tier pussy” I think there is a subjective metric for every man regarding the sexual value of women he is banging! The only point of reference are the previous women you have banged. The HB scale is a bit overrated because usually says nothing about the sexual value of said woman! That HB10 you salivate over and want so desperately to fuck might be the most worthless cocksucker of all women you have had. I have a traumatic experience with… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
6 years ago

Stefan Mollyneux posted the talk with Rollo. It was an awesome talk. I was disappointed he was not posting it when this was recorded months ago, but better late than never. I first found Stefan’s channel and he touched upon Hypergamy. I got intrigued and googled the term and found The Rational Male three years ago, and it has changed the course of my life. I was glad to see that Stefan didn’t hold back on any of the controversial topics or tried to censor Rollo. Must watch. I want Rollo to go main stream and see him on the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Complementary old essay to the Rollo/Stefan interview (Heh j):

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/latest-baumeister-paper-supports-ch-concept-of-the-sexual-market/

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

Chris watts was maybe (On topic)
https://usm.ag/2MI1aS7
Not sure not good into gossip but wife
https://bit.ly/2wsAdHM (On topic i saw a picture)
“He is also charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy in the first-degree, among other crimes.” A women’s child belong’s to her.

Bromeo
Bromeo
6 years ago

“50 is the male wall”, all the older heads triggered LOL 🙂

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

“I’ve wanted to go to the 21 conferences, but anonymity is something I cherish still and the conferences are getting too mainstream/big. Shame too, because like all guys who’ve read and understood this material, it’s really personally important to shake hands with the people who write it, if only to prove to yourself that this change in perspective is not a dream.”

Jeremy
I understand where your coming from but it helps me be accountable by holding someone’s gaze and breaking past where the familiar and change interact with one another.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Bromeo

all the older heads triggered

Triggered? By telling you it’s not true? By giving examples of it not being true?

How is that “triggered”?

[PS – “triggered” is a feminist concept that’s crept into your psyche “bro”]

It’s fascinating the lengths guys will go to to keep themselves down… I mean with no reference experience, being so certain of things. smh

Guy not only tells me you can spin flax into gold but SHOWS me… ? Well what does that make me if I disbelieve?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

Bromeo,

If I can show you young men have lower IQs and wealth and any other indicator of success, does that make it true and if so how relavant is it to the debate of reproductive success?

If you are fucking but not reproductive you sperm might as well be in a sock.

IOW, if you’re fucking while she actively frustrates your insemination she really isn’t all that into you.

j
j
6 years ago

boomers are incapable of admitting defeat. That’s why we have these endless discussions that lead to nowhere every couple months.

“if you’re fucking while she actively frustrates your insemination she really isn’t all that into you.”

“Bro if you don’t impregnate every girl you fuck, she really isn’t that into you. Boom. Roasted! +1 in the OMGs column. “

Roused
Roused
6 years ago


boomers are incapable of admitting defeat. “

Thanks for the good laugh. I feeeel sooooo defeated and lost….not.

Keep it up J, I do appreciate the laughs.

Gotta go, my sexy and hot girlfriend is coming over later is and DTF for a lunch quickie.

j
j
6 years ago

“Thanks for the good laugh. I feeeel sooooo defeated and lost….not.

Keep it up J, I do appreciate the laughs.

Gotta go, my sexy and hot girlfriend is coming over later is and DTF for a lunch quickie.”

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SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“That’s why we have these endless discussions that lead to nowhere every couple months.” What the fuck are you talking about? In an enlightened self interest way, they’ve led me everywhere I wanted to go and more. I’ve gotten to and achieved where I want to be. (My own goals had to do with proper security, defined by me with unlimited upside adventure. For me, myself, my sexual strategy, defined by me, and for my LTR wife and adult children. They’re great, they are in a great place. I like them.) What is it that you want to accomplish in… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“What is it that you want to accomplish in these discussions J?”

He needs validation of OMG’s.

marelius
marelius
6 years ago

J, you ARE right. When YOU hit the wall at 50, there will be nothing for you. Your future is indeed bleak. The ONLY chance you have of avoiding your fate is to change who you are BEFORE you hit 50. I know this with certainty because of what you post. You have told us all that you fully believe that all men hit a wall at 50, so you are really describing your fears of your own future. Your coping mechanism for that fear seems to be to pull as many <25 HB8-9s as you can between now and… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Back around 2010 there was an experiment done involving brain scans, men, tools and girls. Now, the replicability problem is real, so take any study with a small N with a lotta salt. Summarizing, there are particular parts of the male brain that activate when using tools. Duh, eh? Brain scans, probably PET, determined this to be consistent. Then it was noted that men looking at pix of girls in bikinis had the same brain regions activate. Man the Tool User looks at girls and his Tool Using brain lights up. Not much of a surprise. Now let’s extend that.… Read more »

j
j
6 years ago

I’m trying to be realistic as possible as to what my futures gonna look like, having already rejected the monogamy lifestyle. One of the factors I’m trying to determine is: how realistic it is that i’m still gonna be able to bang the top (not the “right”) pussy (I mean just look at the girls from the two instagram pages I shared on the previous page, and tell me I’m lying that one group is clearly superior to the other). Going by what I see the former slayers in this comment section, (blax and asd gamer is excluded from consideration… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Just when I thought I was out…..They pull me back in. ( Omg movie reference ) Marelius, where in the he’ll have you been bro? Marelius hit the nail square on it’s head. I understand that young dude’s will resist advice or information that doesn’t fit neatly into their current objectives, and woe into ” older ” guys that speaketh other than information concurrent with their kids of thought. This is mostly part for the course, as novaseeker has said countless times here before. Being that trm is targeted towards intersexual dynamics and not so much towards pickup, young cats… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

…. Superior girls.😁

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

There is no superior pussy ever. There is only pussy you like a lot. That is normal. Convincing yourself ( and trying to convince others ) of any woman being top tier, superior, or even the best is weak as fuck. Why not just fuck who you want ( if you are capable ) and.leave all of that fantasy novel shit in.the gatbage….or on.chicks nightstands/tablets where it belongs, right next to 50 shades of grey.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Philosophies and religions back into antiquity often converge at the same point: “do not cling to things“, or even “do not worship made things“. Because things can be transient in time and space, putting identity into things makes a man fragile. However as ancient man also shows us – Otzi is a classic example – Man the Tool User will have his things to hand. Don’t become attached to / cling to / worship particular things but regard things more as means-to-a-goal, part-of-a-purpose. That must include women and even children; there are examples from history where a man had a… Read more »

marelius
marelius
6 years ago

So it’s not fear (maybe these guys just have shit game lol), it’s setting realistic expectations.

You only setting “realistic expectations” for your (25 year) future self as a result of your fear of what you imagine that future self to be. Why even worry about it? Just enjoy being on the upslope to your peak at 50!! Read the Atlantic article below to see that its only a gradual decline from the top after 50. I guess us old guys have it over you young guys, even (especially) with the younger women.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/567083/

j
j
6 years ago

“I guess us old guys have it over you young guys, even (especially) with the younger women.”

Shit what they hell am I doing going out to pick up younger women with slayers my own age. I gotta ditch these chodes asap, to hit the clubs with old dudes instead!!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus, you putting in a lot of overtime or otherwise burning the candle at both ends?
Just wondering.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

J is cute as a button.

It’s a spunk-off people. It’s a spunk-off.

J, rather than impregnate all women you fuck, start with one…and a no strings non monogamy attached-knock up. Even better, do a fertilization cucking where she’s too happy to have little j bun alone and she gaslights her man otherwise. You can do that, right? Your semen that expensive, right?

Show us your chops! Go brother! We rooting for you! Yay, Team PUA!

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I gotta ditch these chodes asap, to hit the clubs with old dudes instead!!”

If you were wise, and could find one who would take you under his wing, as it would be you who was the millstone around his neck.

But you’ll need to get that chip knocked off your shoulder first.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

@j Not sure why all these guys are down on you. If indeed you want the life you say, no marriage, no kids, bachelor4life.. then I say your attitude is spot on. I do know a couple guys my age who lived and are still living this way, and it seems they are happy.. I get what you are saying about the wall, but I will say it is largely self-imposed, in many ways based on circumstances.. for the eternal bachelor I imagine being 50 is not much more complicated than being 25.. but for OMGs, and divorcees with kids,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

RSD take at 40…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTBb0K7k8U

[PS – most guys are not banging 9’s at any age because there are so few of them. rare infield of a real 9]

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

to clarify.. two sons 20, and 22.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . old experienced guys poaching young gals.”

You might have swallowed it, but you’ve still got some digesting to do to get that FI off your shoulder.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tyler: “Think of “old” ans the new “good looking”… It’s never bad…”

lol

TuffLuv

This is why… Nothing at all to do with relationships…

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tyler: “There is a male energy… an anchoring, that older guys have”

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

By the way, I have no idea what Freud thought of the Clovis hunter’s preference for hard, black, obsidian, flaked spearpoints. Nor do I care. Wait, that should be: Nor do I care!!!.

Sometimes a spearpoint is just a spearpoint. I hope the larger point is clear…

Chump No More
Chump No More
6 years ago

@Blax, @Eh, @Sentient, ,

I don’t see much going on here beyond blue-pilled identity politics, scarcity, and a severe lack of stoic passion.

Everything else is just noise and bull shit.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Although more brittle than flint, obsidian is as sharp as sharp gets. Sharper than a steel surgical scalpel.

Plus, it’s well, ya know, prettier than flint. All black and shiny and stuff. I have some obsidian points just to look at.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

AR I’ve actually run out of candles to burn. Corporate I.T. Reorg/clusterfuck in progress. I was given a promotion after 3 key early retirements. What I know: the retirements were directly correlated to managerial malfeasance. I thankfully declined said promotion, as I’m trying to get out and not trying to become more deeply embedded. Methinks I’ve a angered a EVP in the process😁. So effectively there’s no one ” in.charge ” atm. This also means that there are no real roadblocks to getting some long overdue projects completed as there’s nobody to object of decline. How it’s just a matter… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Tuff I like @j a lot, and I’m not down on him. My main.point is that he absolutely should do.what he wants to, because nobody else can live his life for him. But imo, there are things that a man needs to understand as he matures so as not to wind up ” feeling ” negative shit as he gets older – then.blaming those feelings on age rather than mindset and lifelong preparation. I don’t want j to miss that ” preparation ” part, even if it is down the road. Personally I have zero investment in whether a… Read more »

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

I would say the common thread of those men i know who are staunch bachelors is that they’ve witnessed the zeroing out first hand.. whether their father brother friend or themselves. And they just have that personality type of natural MPO. Me, I’m more of a fuckit shoot myself in the foot and learn hard lessons, kinda guy. I adapt the the fucked up world I create for myself. The truth is, so is any parent who goes at it very young. We adapt.. and I will say that I can guarantee I would not have accomplished as much without… Read more »

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

@others I’ve stated before I’m about mLTRs.. RP has changed my perspective of the whole affair, but it’s still my preference to be selective, and then own for a time (rent??). Whatever that’s my preference and my game works accordingly. Understand we can all learn the lessons here and utilize and internalize them in many different ways. Rollo hasade this point and somewhat contradictorily made a law about BP hopes in an RP mindset. Ok well it’s not BP if you accept it for what it is.. temporary. And just enjoy it for what it is. Yeah I just have… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

without being a huge target for every man in the room.. young or old.

Do you do any cold approach brah?

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

I do indeed.. I do it in the present when the opportunity presents..

Generally, I don’t chase girls unless they chase me.. I do the approach.. I break the ice, but I read IOI like I read English.. and she better be speaking English or I don’t waste my time.

I mean dude let’s get real.. all women may be hypergamous but there are different types of women and I’ve rejected more sluts than Joe avg been rejected by.. and that’s a lot.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

I’m not saying scribb can’t zfg move on a lass.. I’m saying if theres any consistency or abundance.. it follows he ain’t the only game in town.. and let’s stop pretending that his OG game is so superior to the many options she has.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

Do you know what “cold” means in “cold approach”?

When is the last time a) guys entered your set and b) blew you out?

boulderhead
6 years ago

So much horse***t. At 57 after not shaving & no haircut for 3months,I went hotspringing. Ya old dude 75% gray, still buff, sitting in the hot pool minding my business,along come 3 mid twenties 7s I am listening with eyes closed and a blank face one is verry stuffy sounding and draws out her words,then the yoga chick kicks me in the leg. And were of they loved the spirit animal crack,turns out two are grade school teachers.Otter girl must have lost a boyfriend or two to Stuffy as I could sense the jealousy when my attention went to her.… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“staunch bachelors is that they’ve witnessed the zeroing out first hand.” We’ve all seen men zeroed out, married, bachelor. We’re on the same team. Hell, we’re hypersensitive to it. We all know who the enemy is, right? Look, Chump No More, what’s your dog in this fight? Thank you for invoking so many names in one comment. Sharks to chum. Nah, just kidding. We pick on the guys we like the most and j is one of them so close to breaking free of whatever he’s convinced himself is “value” in this rolling shit show of existence. It’s all been… Read more »

j
j
6 years ago

pretty easy to AMOG old men hitting on young girls..haha

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Never happened. Point taken.. again I’m talking about consistency. See I might be approaching 22 yr olds if there was a supply I had access to. Scribb has said he has this but I ain’t convinced on how he put it.. and I just don’t see that as the norm. Especially for a long married divorcee.

I get you man I’m not saying he can’t hold his own.. but even the Slayer 50 yr olds I know ai trying to fit in with college kids.. get real

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

I prefer to dress it up in old clothes to remind people that this shit is as old as life:

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kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . trying to fit in with college kids.. get real”

Well certainly. I don’t try to fit in with the college kids, I just do my own thing . . . and they bust a gut trying to fit in with me.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Right j and us old men act accordingly, you’ll notice. Scribbs proclaimed brand of zfg.. uh uh.. too easy for j to end that shit real quick. So IF mr 50 is slaying young pussy, he’s doing it with much more finesse than playing zfg alpha boy.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

@kfg

Not if you’re entering their territory.. bs

If they in yours for one reason or another.. ok.

Again.. not the norm.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

You have access to them in places they congregate at times they congregate. I made th is point upthread. The biggest issue is proximity for older guys and wanted to be in those places.

Or maybe you can ne an adjunct professor 😉

boulderhead
6 years ago

The 9+ will be banging J and dreaming of me.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Example.. the 9 or 10 neices friends at the lake house and I’m the boat driver . Oh yes, they dig me in that situation.. a little different if I’m frequenting their college hang out bar approaching chicks.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

“too easy for j to end that shit real quick. ”

How?

I don’t recall J saying he’s actually a) run into 50yo guys out or b) entered their sets or c) blown them out and d) gotten the girl…

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Yes well.. #MeToo professor.. have fun with that

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Turf

“Again.. not the norm.”

And what does this mean in a Game and hypergamy context?

Tic toc…

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Who cares bro.. boots on the ground. You guys talk out of both sides of your mouth. Young chicks are the only ones who haven’t crossed the line yet right.. guys want a family and get married they better be hanging it on a young chick right.. all young chicks are heck of a game it’s just like older ones they just haven’t been on a carousel yet right. But your goal as a 50 year old man is that you’re so selfish that you’re going to walk in and not only probably embarrass yourself, but are you gonna give… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Turf

“a little different if I’m frequenting their college hang out bar approaching chicks.”

Well you’ve said you aren’t out approaching young girls and that no guy has ever entered your sets anyway…

So what are you afraid of?

Field is king. Go out. Try. Report back.

PS – what do you make of the Tyler and Jeffy video? Did you watch it? Are they authorities?

j
j
6 years ago

@boulder

“The 9+ will be banging J and dreaming of me”

while you jerk off to the thought of that? meh I’ll take it.

@Sentient

Is that your sneaking way of getting me to reveal how I go about AMOGing other guys in the club? Lmao. nope.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

I don’t watch it. Look dude there are plenty of 22 yr old sluts who wanna try out an old guy. Have at it and I won’t avoid it. I’ll bang her brains out, but easy chicks at that age ain’t necesarulyn superior to a classy older chick. If you’re that afraid of the dicks before tpu, I guarantee you the 22 yr old hos hooking up with you are no stranger to them, and probably already gone.

boulderhead
6 years ago

J next time she closes her eyes,remember she is dreaming of a salty old guy that can stay with her for hours,the chief,boss the financially fearless old guys RULE.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

TuffLuv But your goal as a 50 year old man is that you’re so selfish that you’re going to walk in and not only probably embarrass yourself, but are you gonna give that girl the reward she see in you? I can’t even? what’s with the selfish thing? Have you heard of The Platinum Rule? embarrass? Not a concept at all… Reward? You think you need to penalize girls by having them fuck you? wtf??? Or are you saying you are so alpha shell just opt to fuck you when you are clearly outmatched to the you g guys in… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

but easy chicks at that age ain’t necesarulyn superior to a classy older chick.

You may have me confused with J… somewhat…

Classy… omfg

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Tuff

Look dude there are plenty of 22 yr old sluts who wanna try out an old guy.

we;ll make up your mind already… I thought there weren’t any, with consistency???

J

Is that your sneaking way of getting me to reveal how I go about AMOGing other guys in the club?

You either can’t get into or can’t stay in the places I go to. And we are talking about the old guys… not the 20yo’s…

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Not if you’re entering their territory.. ” If I am there, they are in my territory, and they are the ones that let that be known. “.. a little different if I’m frequenting their college hang out bar approaching chicks.” Generally I’m there to be the center of attention (although I prefer coffeehouses and the artsy chics who hang out there), and it’s a bit hard for the college boys to AMOG me while they’re kissing my feet in worship in front of their girlfriends. If I’m not there to be the center of attention it isn’t long before I… Read more »

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

I’d say you’re part of the problem, corrupting young women, but I’m too busy not believing that you have a shred of success with any girl that young who isn’t damaged goods already. So that’s fine bro to each his own.

Playing the devil’s advocate don’t mean I can’t play. Not one of yall are as natural as me. Not one of you has a thing on me.. i can guarantee that just by your perpetual presence here. except j.. he’s got his youth.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“any girl that young who isn’t damaged goods already”

opposed to which other girl?

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Somebody is getting butt hurt…

Tuff

” i can guarantee that just by your perpetual presence here. ”

Give this some more thought. The Loser Who Has Nothing to Do gambit has another side of the coin…

Guess what that is?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

” i can guarantee that just by your perpetual presence here.”

Good point. I’ll stop cruising around downtown on foot, occasionally commenting, to get back to my basement.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Your words not mine. IM fine with everyone doing it their own way.. I just came here to backup J.. You old dicks ain’t winning, you’re just surviving. Same as the rest of us.

j
j
6 years ago

@EhIntellect

damaged goods (easy):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-xQ0qlCgs/?hl=en&taken-by=odddarcy

(still somewhat) undamaged goods (due to good upbringing…but dat college lyfe influence yo…):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhCoY48nw7D/?hl=en&taken-by=katarina_kari

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . you’re part of the problem, corrupting young women . . .”

Now that’s funny. I actually laughed out loud.

But it does make me wonder; if all I am attracting is sluts, how is it that I am corrupting them? Doesn’t compute.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Nice.. j

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Way to take it out of context kfg

Go ahead and post the rset of the sentence.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

And it’s either or.. not both. but i made clear which one I believe it is.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Go ahead and post the rset of the sentence.”

I’m afraid that “damaged goods already” doesn’t enhance your argument.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

TuffLuv to kfg
I’d say you’re part of the problem, corrupting young women, but I’m too busy not believing that you have a shred of success with any girl that young who isn’t damaged goods already.

Butthurt much?

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

If you’re fucking young hos.. great. Gfy. Awesome dude.. but its not something to brag about.

If your fucking young ladies who might actually make a good wife for someone soon, making them believe your old ass is good for them, then bailing.. then youre part of the problem.

Again talking out of both sides of yalls mouth all the time

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

kfg
But it does make me wonder; if all I am attracting is sluts, how is it that I am corrupting them?

You’re resetting their neural pathways to prefer old geezers, leaving younger men like TuffLuv out in the cold. Obviously.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

It does enhance my argument.. because that ain’t quality.
And it’s nothing to brag about.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

Anon.. not at all.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

TuffLuv on 22 year old chicks
easy chicks at that age ain’t necesarulyn superior to a classy older chick.

C’mon, just type it out. You know you want to.

Q u a l i t y w o m a n…

Pretty sure kfg isn’t despoiling that precious Madonna you have your heart set on, either.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

And I’m old.. not young.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

TuffLuv
If your fucking young ladies who might actually make a good wife for someone soon, making them believe your old ass is good for them, then bailing.. then youre part of the problem.

So it’s ok if kfg or scribs is banging whores, they just need to leave those Madonnas, the Quality Women, alone…so that you can marry one of time. Izzat about the size of it? Izzat right?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

EhIntellect
I’ll stop cruising around downtown on foot, occasionally commenting, to get back to my basement.

About time! For sure all your WoW buds are wondering what happened to you…

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