What Makes a Man?

When I was compiling the material I was going to use for my second book, Preventive Medicine, I chose to use the essay Vulnerability in the hopes that I might be able to dispel one of the more egregious fantasies about masculinity – that vulnerability is in some way a strength for men. At the time I was rebutting the Mark Manson claim that men’s vulnerability was a necessity in whatever it was he used to consider Game, or the idea that a lot of Purple Pill hacks like to cling to about men’s vulnerability being some foundation upon which a “healthy” relationship ought to be built on. This trope is pulled straight from the Oprah / Dr. Phill handbook and really the belief that a man’s vulnerability is in someway a strength is part of a Blue Pill conditioned belief set that young boys are taught from a very early age.

Go to any woman’s dating advice for men blog today and you’ll likely read some variation of it. It’s actually part of our pop-psychology social consciousness – transvaluation is a very common theme; reversing weakness with strength has been the order for feminizing men and masculinizing women since the Sexual Revolution. I can remember hearing this ‘advice’ since the late 80s on any number of daytime talk shows. Reading this pabulum coming from ‘dating coaches’ with any association to the Red Pill was enough for me to want to dispel the notion. That, and the need for men to get in touch with their Jungian feminine sides as a means to better identifying with women and thus eventually getting laid by all the women who supposedly swooned for vulnerable, sensitive and emotionally available men (also known as ‘Beta Orbiters’).

However, as I was editing that essay for inclusion in the book I realized that what I was considering wasn’t so much the transvaluation of vulnerability and strength, but the model upon which the Feminine Imperative would like to convince men is appropriate and best suited for women’s needs in a relationship. The provable fact that women’s Hypergamy predisposes them to being aroused by men who display the most opposite aspects to this vulnerability (Dark Triad traits for example) doesn’t seem to matter; vulnerability is only beneficial to women seeking comfort and security in a long term partner.

In that essay I outlined a few things about what masculinity has become in a post-Sexual Revolution female-primary social order:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

I returned to this essay today because I think that over the past six months we’re seeing a strengthening push from the Feminine Imperative to clamp down on what we’re to believe should be an acceptable expression of masculinity. In essence the imperative (or the Village if you like) has been using every mass shooting tragedy to reiterate what masculinity should mean to men. And, failing this, the hope is still that men will be confused as to what conventional expressions they can subjectively define it in, in a more female-correct way.

The Feminine-Correct Paradigm

Since the most recent school shooting in Florida, the focus on what constitutes masculinity has come to the forefront of our social consciousness. What exactly is masculinity they keep asking, and then provide definitions that only have meaning to a social order that’s founded on female social dominance. They are definitions that most men heard repeated constantly as boys from their overwhelmingly female-taught and feminine-primary educations. Since the beginning of the Sexual Revolution and the rise of Fempowerment boys and men are expected to grow up into a female-defined masculinity. Boys are acculturated in contexts that feminize them, yet we are meant to believe that all the horrors of Patriarchal masculinity are still being taught to them today:

Two decades ago, the psychologist William Pollack wrote that boys start out sensitive but through a “shame-hardening process” — told to stop crying, to be a man — they learn to hide what they really feel. And if they don’t know or understand their own feelings, how can they care about anyone else’s?

This has become something of a cliché. And the truth is, there’s no single culture of boys, but many. In my memories of adolescence, beneath the constant ribbing and occasional pyromania, we had tremendous affection for one another. And we longed to connect with women with an intensity that was difficult to contemplate.

This was a quote from Real Men Get Rejected Too. It’s a good illustration of the paradox masculinity presents to parents and educators. The idea that boys are these sensitive delicate souls who, through the evils of their Patriarchal (typically male) upbringing, are conditioned to become ‘macho’ violent men is a popular trope. After Nikolas Cruz killed 17 kids at school it was the go-to rationale. “Boys are brought up to be violent gun-loving beasts thanks to a perpetuated misogynistic culture of men” or some variation of this is common. It’s an easy, digestible, info-bite that sounds right because we’ve heard it for so long. If only boys we’re taught more like girls to get in touch with their emotions and were vulnerable in expressing them we could avoid these male-created tragedies.

That’s the pretense we’re supposed to believe – and it’s important that a larger society does believe in the inherent evilness of masculinity if the Feminine Imperative is to maintain social dominance. But the truth is boys have been systematically feminized for the past 3-4 generations. Boys are taught like defective girls. Since the 1970s it is increasingly women who have dominated academia from kindergarten to doctorate degrees. The entire western education system is founded on a feminine-primary, feminine-defined teaching methodology. In the process of advantaging girls to the utmost efficiency in school (to fempower adult women) the educational atmosphere had to be defined by what best served girls. School and teaching became ‘for girls’ and the educational landscape shifted to teaching styles that girls were most benefited in.

In that shift the idea that boys might be disadvantaged had little bearing, but overtime the conditions of teaching ‘to girls’ defined the teaching style as the correct style. In fact, teaching in a way that girls learn best, and disciplining boys for not learning this way, is no longer a style – it is just the way children are taught. Boys and men today are the product of female teachers who actively advantage girls at the expense of boys. So normalized is this teaching that boys disrupting the advantaging of girls in class is something we’ve decided needs to be medicinally curbed. Boys being boys is diagnosed as an illness and drugs are prescribed so as to sedate them long enough for the girls to learn.

This focus on empowering girls isn’t limited to the classroom. In every form of early childhood through adolescent media, music, social networks and social exchanges this theme is continued; girls have the future in their reach, boys are potential rapists and criminals if they don’t fall in line with female-correct way of how things just are. I get asked a lot about what I think defines Blue Pill conditioning and I’d say this ambient social theme of fempowerment is a strong basis for it. Boys are not taught this old-school, much-feared Patriarchal masculinity, they are bombarded with themes of how masculinity is incorrect, laughable, and a shameful ‘act’ that boys have to put on to cover the ‘real’ female-correct versions of their sensitive selves. Boys are taught from the earliest age that being a boy is an incorrect mask, while being a girl, learning like a girl, emoting and relating like a girl is ‘real’ and the correct way of developing a personality.

Who would ever want to be a boy when so much is rewarded and praised about being a girl? There’s so much more advantage to be had if you’re a girl. As early as five years old boys are deliberately taught to loathe their own gender, but they are also being taught a redefinition of what a female-correct form of masculinity should be for them. The best they could do would be to become female to the best of their ability. They learn they must agree and support girls’ empowerment, identify with the feminine and above all, despise the parody of masculinity they are shown is ‘illegitimate’ and inauthentic.

Boys are systematically taught to make women and womankind their Mental Point of Origin. This is why it is so difficult for men to unplug and abandon their old Blue Pill selves; feminine-primacy was literally conditioned into them since they were kids.

Nikolas Cruz, like many other teenage shooters is the product of this feminine-primary education system, not a Patriarchal “teach boys not to cry” machismo school. He is a monster of their creation; one taught to cry on demand and emote like a girl. He’s the result of a participation trophy mentality that demonize men and masculinity to the point that he never learns how to bounce back from defeat, rejection or simply life’s adversities. No men and no masculinity is available to teach that kid how to harden up and be resilient, or how that masculine discipline is not bullying or hazing, but a necessary part of a boy’s maturation into a masculine man.

But to throw society off the trail a false narrative of hyper-masculinity ruining our otherwise feminine-correct boys is perpetuated. When the next school shooting takes place the Village will again want the public to believe it’s masculinity and men’s fault for what is really his emotional outburst. The Village will attempt to place the responsibility on men, on fathers, while in the meantime perpetuating the idea that men/fathers are superfluous at best, a societal burden at worst. Men are useful catspaws in so many ways, and in perpetuating this narrative the Village reinforces the female-correct theme for grown men too.

Masculinity is what they say it is, or else

In the Honor System I proposed the following:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

It’s important to review this premise if we want to understand the real intent the Feminine Imperative has in redefining masculinity for men. Aspects of conventional masculinity are useful for women, and masculine duty (appeals to men’s “honor”) is a means to access it while avoiding the aspects that would in any way advantage men over women. Conventional masculinity is largely disparaged and parodied in order to disenfranchise men, but men are still needed to save women from natural disasters and protect them from physical harm (so long as they never expect sex for it). On some level of consciousness women understand the transactional and validational aspects of sex. They know that men’s serviceableness comes with an implied transactional cost, so to circumvent this women had to be put in charge of defining what masculinity should mean to men.

Masculinity as defined by men is almost always illegitimate and inauthentic in a feminine-primary world order. The presumption is that “macho man” ridiculous masculinity is a mask that men wear. That mask is meant to cover their true feminine-correct selves; because men cannot be authentic in any other context than the taught, feminine-correct context. So, of course, men can only be fakes or insecure of their masculinity (the masculinity defined by the feminine) and can never ‘really’ be that strong, dominant male apart from the permission the Feminine Imperative gives him.

Because the Feminine Imperative controls the overall context for what should be correct for men this has the effect of making women the sole deciders of what is masculine. In effect, and in this Blue Pill context, women become the gatekeepers of manhood. If masculinity imbues men with manhood (literally being considered a man) a ‘man’ is only whom a woman will designate as such within her presumed, feminine-correct context. In other words, do the imperative’s bidding and it dubs you a ‘man’.

Breaking the Cycle

As you might’ve guessed, this social dynamic conflicts with women’s Hypergamous imperatives. A Beta who thinks he’s a ‘man’ and presumes entitlements because of that is a woman’s worst fear. A Beta transgressing into a manhood that the imperative didn’t give him is the making for a guy being considered a sexual predator. However, an Alpha man, a man of high sexual market value still needs to accept the feminine-correct social frame, but he must also know his role within that frame. I’ve made the comparison in the past that women only see men as either draft animals or breeding stock. In a feminine-correct paradigm the breeding stock must know that his conventionally masculine aspects mean different things to a woman (Alpha Fucks sex) than the draft animal’s masculine aspects (Beta Bucks service). As such, masculinity and a designation of being a man becomes a constant qualifier for a Beta male. Manhood becomes a carrot he follows to pull the feminine-correct cart.

In fact, Beta men hold their female-correct ‘man’ designation as an unwitting point of pride. Examples abound of self-righteous Betas AMOGing other men for not being ‘real men’ (according to the imperative) like themselves. What they’re ignorant of is that this self-righteousness is defined by how well they conform to the masculinity that the imperative tells him is useful – and avoiding the ‘toxic’ masculinity it also defines for him – all according to his role in the scheme of a woman’s sexual strategy.

Should a man awaken from this Blue Pill conditioning and coronate himself as a ‘man’ outside the approval of womankind, this is when he’s ridiculed as an old school Patriarch and an anachronism of the old male-incorrect social paradigm. This is the control the imperative has against men stepping out side this female-controlled masculinity. The first response any female critic has for men who make themselves their mental point of origin is to remove that status of manhood.

Because they don’t accept feminine-primacy this disqualifies them from ‘real’ manhood.

One of the most difficult aspects men face in unplugging and living in Red Pill awareness is the social stigma that follows when they remove womankind from the pedestal and make themselves their mental point of origin. He gets called an asshole, he gets called selfish, he gets called a misogynist, but he’s also “less of a man” because he no longer conforms to the definition of masculinity that the Feminine Imperative has taught him from his earliest memories. Learning to redefine his mental image of what makes a man a man in his own Red Pill aware state is tough. Most of what he considered the very limited and controlled aspects of an ideal masculinity are a big part of the Blue Pill idealism he was raised on. This transition to conventional masculinity is also hampered by a deep learning of shame and gender loathing for finding anything positive in masculinity.

These are some important things to keep in mind if you are moving into a Red Pill awareness and learning to live in a new paradigm based around a conventional understanding of masculinity that isn’t inherently evil. It’s hard to do, but that old mental model of masculinity your teachers (all of them) convinced you was incorrect is something you must unlearn and cut yourself away from. Know that women don’t just long for that dominant masculinity, they need it for the health of their own life experiences. They need the protection, the comfort, the security and the discipline that masculinity balances their lives with.

Women ask, “where have all the ‘real’ men gone?”, but they exist outside the presumed, feminine-correct paradigm they mistakenly believe they have a secure control of. They don’t want to let go of that, so they will fight you to maintain a control over masculinity (which by definition can be chaotic as well as comforting) that they never really had – even with all the social engineering.

 

Yes I know my enemy, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Men need to stick together. The FI benefits from divide-and-conquer and a quick look at the media gives you a clue, as the gals there are always stirring the racial pot. In other news … — Black History Month may be over but March is Women’s History Month. Classical stations will be dutifully dusting off those Amy Beach albums. And the daily Google Doodle will be celebrating every obscure female “pioneer” they can dig up — Also mark on your calendar the big March 24 anti-men, I mean, anti-gun rally slated for DC — The most fascinating thing to me… Read more »

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“The most fascinating thing to me about IQ tests is that”I’ve never met a certified genius that knew when to shut the fuck up.

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“The most fascinating thing to me about IQ tests is that”I’ve never met a certified genius that knew when to shut the fuck up.

That isn’t on the test,I’m guessing.

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That actually WAS a problem for me — not genius-level, just too smart for my own good.

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Easier to establish very high social proof in fewer places. Easier to control the variables, take some randomness out of the pull. Two isn’t literal but fewer is better . If the place is right it will be flush with new girls every week cycling through so you won’t have to waste time hunting around all those other bars.

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@palma I’m now in a south coast party resort with a big university but I’ve been working converting my investment properties into air bnb. It’s also the hen party capital of the U.K. what a GREAT opportunity!… you know, for game practice…lol… AND those college girls usually have ‘sparkly eyes’…lol… plus, just to point this out… if when you can thrive in this environment, you have even MORE opportunities bc all those other guys are getting shut out by those ‘hens’…lol @Sentient Reading back on your post what’s the significance of just having 2 locations that you frequent. usually so… Read more »

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@ Escher I’m glad you’re here. I’ve teen sons in my house, different personalities, styles, they practice RP and I am interested in your perspective. Welcome aboard. @ rugby Your anecdotal convo with the man whose mom and son were killed was inspired, oddly coincidental re: our recent exchange…if you don’t believe in divine intervention. @ Blax Why do you let a nonsequitur race comment bait you such? It’s Friday, friend. Raise a glass with me and enjoy your clear conscience and cheerful countenance. It’s a rare commodity, I’m saying this as I’ve got stressed people swearing, pissed, running for… Read more »

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Is social media (i.e. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) truly social? Or is it really ANTISOCIAL? Aren’t the participants really like straw people being presented by women, and other cowards, while hiding behind proverbial rocks? What is truly social about hiding behind computers, electronic tablets, smart phones and the internet? Aren’t we constantly in the physical presence of many people in our daily lives, some who we find attractive, some who we can potentially engage with for various reasons? Why must such a significant amount of social interactions and especially sexual interactions PRIMARILY be channeled through electronic media, unless the primary… Read more »

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NBTM – you were commenting as to why social media often enables antisocial tendencies. Note that social media is more-so beloved by women. Makes sense because these technologies are easily used by women to supercharge their status-sorting proclivities. As I mentioned in comment above (Feb 28th at 10:22 a.m.), the female approach with respect to personal responsibility tends to see said personal responsibility in terms of outcomes for negotiated status interpretations. If this female tendency is not aligned so as to be roughly mapped onto the male approach with respect to personal responsibility, which tends to see said personal responsibility… Read more »

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@Palma

Shhh

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@Not_born_this_morning explained something about social media buffers…

How about language?Guys fear “feminine correctness” while speaking,writing.So they use “correct” words…George Orwell had a quote, “If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought”. Thats the birth of feminized men…They are the men who agonize to chicks” Tell me what to do that makes you happy” like in the Blue Valentine…
We are just slaves in ourselves…And what is this place? Remaining Men Together?

I must get out of this zoo,this prison,this reality whatever you want to call it, I can’t stand it any longer.

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Remember, prison is not a place , it’s a state of mind.

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C’mon palmasailor… See what the leasbian has to say..
“…Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.”
I can’t be calm like a Hindu Cow(can any male?) after noticing such statement…

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March 2, 2018 at 10:45 am

Left out of the rant. “Are your genes going into the next generation? Or not?”

And the female is the keeper of that gate.

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Not really…I would have probably if I hadn’t seen “Fight Club” .

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I’m just going to assume from your comments that your on the spergy side and let the other autist deal with you.

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Speaking of… All the county women jailers play LJBF with the men. They turn it on and off switch-like and shit test ha-ha ridicule. The admitting chubby 20’s female jailer immediately pointed out my cocky boots as if that was relevant and tried to get me to affiliate and then quickly tried to get me to further breathalyzer by sticking it In my face and ordering me to blow. Fuck that, silly girl. Then she appealed to my freedom by negotiation as if that’d happen. If I blow, home I go. Bullshit. I STFU. Later a chubby 20’s woman jailer… Read more »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K977NxGhyU “One of the most difficult aspects men face in unplugging and living in Red Pill awareness is the social stigma that follows when they remove womankind from the pedestal and make themselves their mental point of origin. He gets called an asshole, he gets called selfish, he gets called a misogynist, but he’s also “less of a man” because he no longer conforms to the definition of masculinity that the Feminine Imperative has taught him from his earliest memories. Learning to redefine his mental image of what makes a man a man in his own Red Pill aware state… Read more »

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@EsCher:

No, you don’t remain calm like a Hindu cow. You remain calm like a man.

You don’t need to find peers, you need to find superiors, who will help you to level up.

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NBTM – just read the latest article in the link you posted where the author commented that women are basically prostitutes (as in traders of sex for resources). Can’t really argue with that. It’s more or less the basic reality. Of course by that basic perspective, men are johns. As such, to avoid any wish-washy nonsense, the author has gotta own that end of the basic reality he is outlining, as well. Is this helpful to look at it like the gender thing, at the most basic, is all about prostitutes/johns? Well – look at the gender thing for most… Read more »

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Prostitutes? All of ’em?

Lol.

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Blax – of course not all women are like that ; ; poke’n fun at the man-o-sphere now, you sly fox. Nice jest.

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They are likely visiting porn on their phones as a service to the clients.

https://samwagik.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/prostitution-in-kenya-goes-online/

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“… the Deepak Chopra of Christianity.”

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He’s a clinical psychologist. His profession generally involves helping people rewrite the narratives of their own lives in their own head to live healthily. Treating truth and reality as subjective is a part of that process. It comes as no surprise to me that he’s willing to treat his own religious faith or blue pill convictions in the same manner.

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Maybe it’s Rationality Rules that is baked with respect to his criticisms of Peterson’s views on truth:

https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffman_do_we_see_reality_as_it_is/transcript

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“… the Deepak Chopra of Christianity.” He has been called the atheist CS Lewis. I don’t understand the point of the video. He isn’t a Christian. As far as I know, he has never claimed to be a Christian. He does recognize the importance of religion to many, many people. Christians don’t typically reference Nietzsche. This article at Global Guerrillas, I think, sums it up. http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/06/man-is-dead-and-we-have-killed-him-you-and-i.html “Even back in the late 1800’s, Nietzsche had the genius to see that science was in the process of killing God and with it Christian morality. What was the result? Deep psychological trauma and… Read more »

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If nothing else, I can appreciate the fact Peterson doesn’t seem to use a teleprompter, in some pretty high risk situations. There aren’t a lot of truly candid interviews these days, though the audience doesn’t typically know it. When people sit through interviews and answer questions that are later viewed with a critical eye designed to “catch” any conflicting statements there are bound to be some. Life outside the script isn’t always consistent. This is why some politicians even bring teleprompters to speak to a kindergarten class. Seems silly but it’s actually smart. God forbid anyone go off script and… Read more »

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There’s no such thing as life without contradiction, unless you are a machine.

…. Of course, this depends on how you define ” contradiction “. 😁

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@ Sun

Excellent crucial distinction.

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Rollo, the realist concept of truth is full of shit. We don’t perceive the world objectively, but subjectively, thru our senses. We might have an idea of what the world is really like, but that idea can change, just like scientific theories have changed. Probably the most useful concept of truth is the pragmatist, which is about how useful one’s ideas about truth are. For example, if a scientific concept is true, then engineers ought to be able to use it. There is no absolute claim that one truly understands reality in back of this, but merely that our own,… Read more »

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Back in the day, we’d believe twelve different contradictions before we even ate breakfast, then we’d walk five miles through deep snow to school. Men were men and sheep were nervous.

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What if your ” senses ” are off?

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We do not see things as they really are; news at the dawn of self-awareness.

“What if your ” senses ” are off?”

IFR (Insturment Flight Rules).

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It is all a simulation and reality is your field of view. Your field of view is all there IS, nothing else exists until it enters your field of view. .you create your own reality, dont let other people create yours. I realized this even before red pill awakening. I was at the holiday on sea and we met some french girls and something snaped in my head as we were on the beach, like i turned some ok game on switch so i relaxed, acted cool, chilled, enjoyed myself, fake it so to speak. Two days later banged the… Read more »

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I subscribe to a decidedly realist view of things. After all, just because you believe wholeheartedly that you weren’t fatally wounded doesn’t make the wound any less fatal. I have to admit that it has made overcoming my psychological obstacles difficult though, as treating the truth of my past subjectively has been largely unsuccessful. I have difficulty letting go of what the evidence clearly tells me no matter what I’d rather believe even if it’s for my own good. It’s the same reason that unlike JBP I eventually rejected religion despite years of external and internal pressure to accept it.… Read more »

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Begging the Question for 400, Art.

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I got thrown into a flow state today and in the last three weeks.. In the zone today. Subsequent to having a video conference with two red pill buddies on Thursday night and then having a convocation with another red pill buddy and an agnostic to Red Pill Alpha buddy on Friday night at the cigar lounge (the three of us). I lifted yesterday and did some cardio with shin splints today (more cramps and fatigue). But my head was clear as fuck. Some of these guys got through to me and I got through to them and others we… Read more »

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Rollo, as a relatively recent Red Pill aware divorced father and physician (i.e. child & adult Psychiatrist) I have so many examples from my personal and professional experiences that support your ‘teachings’ and insights…completely. A year or so ago during a discrete discussion post-another breakup with yet another Cluster B/BPDer (damn…I f’in knew it, I knew it!) – a former co-worker later turned genuine friend told me about The Rational Male; and for the first time I REALLY started to get ‘it’. While this past year or so has had it’s challenges personally and professionally (yah, most of my Administrators…bosses,… Read more »

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This here sums up EVERYTHING. It needs to be given gold.

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@Andrew first rule of fight club their is no fight club second rule of fight club we don’t talk about fight club.

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@ Andrew –
First glad yer here, fascinating how the world looks with blinders removed eh. It’s everywhere.
Second – yeah, in this day of “factory farm medicine” and docs being now the cattle we don’t want our slavemasters to 100% identify us.

Compadres – sorry for what medicine has become, it’s not what we want either.

Okay – back to the interesting.

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Lol. I like listening to Peterson because even though I disagree with some of his points, and I think he sometimes builds arguments on false or flawed premise, he puts up great and forceful argument until he gets totally stumped.

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Playing with philosophy…Operation Just Because…If your senses are in error, how can you get any information past your erroneous senses?

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Peterson is not a Christian in any contemporary sense, or at least one that is not deeply heretical.

He is a Religionist. He believes in Religion, whether he believes in it or not. Hence part of his difficulty in answering a straightforward question.

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@ASD:

People die of their senses being in error every day. I’ve had a few nasty moments myself.

But at a different level, when you press a piano key, are your senses in error? They certainly do not reveal reality to you.

They do, however, reflect reality to you.

If you could survive it long enough, you could survive synesthesia by learning to remap the subjective sense experience to be cognate with survivability. Dolphins do not hear with echo location, they see with it. That is their brain constructs a model from sound cognate with models made from sight.

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Religion only serves to set up rules and man-interpreted regulations for masses of adherents to follow. There is a distinct difference between ” religion ” and spirituality. Hence the ” my way is better than your way ” vibe. I’ll reiterate that Jesus never met a ” Christian “, and according to biblical accounting, he’d be pretty horrified at what is said and done in his name. So I don’t take points away from Peterson for what he says regarding religion, and whether or not he can be ” tripped up ” when talking about it. There’s plenty of disagreement… Read more »

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@Blaximus:

I imagine that in India Peterson would have answered similarly about the existence of a flesh and blood Krishna driving the chariot of a flesh and blood Arjuna.

I note, however, that spirituality, just like everything else, without rules is chaos Cultures with a cohesive spiritual outlook thrive, those without, do not. This is, at root, what Peterson believes in. So he’s not going to capsize the boat.

Which does imply that you shouldn’t be rather wary of priests wielding power.

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Unless I miss my guess Petey is born and raised confirmed lutheran same as niestche.
This sets up a deep rooted social conditioning of the crusader saviour mindset. Nietzche would appear to have taken this same upbringing and rebeled against it his whole life.

This doesn’t fit well with a scientific education, there is conflict with virgin birth, resurecting flesh when all vital organs are necrotic (this begins at three minutes).

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@Boulderhead:

Bernt Peterson. He be Norwegian and shit. Supporting evidence for a Lutheran childhood.

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I’m not judging the man or the religion, at least Martin figured out that it was ok for a priest to get a little now and then. Just saying having listened to J,B,Pete it fits I would even put money on it. I wonder if the thought of excomunication was going through his mind as he considered his answer.

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Rollo’s retweet…

Note that the tribute the boys put on for the retiring male teacher is tagged by Twattet as “warning – sensitive content”…

https://www.twitter.com/RationalMale/status/969983223890460672

Invest in rope futures..

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“Invest in rope futures.”

I’m in lampposts.

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Haka Princess movie:

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Maybe Trump can help them build a wall to keep feminists out and preserve their culture.

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It’s funny how these pieces of shit are doubling down on looking down their proboscises at the mainland countrymen. The dems are getting their shit pushed in come the mids no matter how many stupid kids march for gun control. And I think the crackers realize they don’t need another sanctimonious cuckservative in the whitehouse. Bill Maher just said some shit on his show about Hope Hicks. He was telling the audience Trump’s party is about “giving Hicks Hope”. That’s gonna bite him in the ass. And those little gun-control “victim” twonks too. These stupid little fucks think all they… Read more »

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It’s rather late for that. The movie was written and directed by a North Island girl, ethnicity unknown, but I suspect Sephardic. She claims it isn’t a feminist movie, because the Maori are “profoundly matriarchal.”

Yeah. Right.

Current project is director of Disney’s live action Mulan.

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@kfg

If senses are generally unreliable, then how can we get empirical info?

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@ASD:

If senses are generally unreliable, you can’t. But it isn’t a condition you should expect to have to live with for long.

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kfg, thanks for making my point…senses are generally reliable…hence my conservative empirical/pragmatic epistemology…a realist epistemology is too radical for me…

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@ASD:

I cannot know that your subjective experience “blue” is the same as my subjective experience “blue.”

But I can build an artificial sense and empirically determine that your “blue” and mine map equally to the output of the artificial sense.

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kfg, you can hear or read my empirical statements and examine them with your critical faculty and determine if they correspond to your experience. Or, a third party could hear our separate empirical statements and compare them. The critical faculty is required and so is corroboration. All of that is found, unsurprisingly, in ancient Jewish literature…unsurprising, because the Jews melded law and religion.

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” . . . you can hear or read my empirical statements and examine them with your critical faculty and determine if they correspond to your experience.” For instance, we can both report that we hear a buzzing sound when the Blue Detector is pointed at something we both call “blue,” but do not hear it when pointed at something we call “red.” Implying that “blueness” can be a subjective sound experience and not merely a sight experience, a conversion factor being generated by the detector, and thus implying that “blue” exists in the detector and not merely our minds.… Read more »

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“. . . the Jews melded law and religion.”

Just like, well, everybody until rather recently. Which is why it so hard to explain Islam to a post-Enlightenment secularist. They are not mentally equipped to understand that a Muslim actually believes his religion,, i.e. the Law.

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i.e. “blue” is real.

That’s a leap. Maybe “blue” is useful to our engineers. That’s as far as I go.

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March 3, 2018 at 1:11 am

He has taken psychedelics. It gives you a whole different outlook on religion.

And then there is his notion that half the brain is devoted to religion.

There was a saying in the late 60s, “Are You Experienced?”

Suppose you don’t have to believe in God because you have experienced him? It colors your outlook.

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March 3, 2018 at 4:16 am

“Even back in the late 1800’s, Nietzsche had the genius to see that science was in the process of killing God and with it Christian morality.

So understanding destroys religion.

That is temporary. Eventually we will get a religion with understanding that matches the age. It will probably be distributed with 100,000 prophets.

It is probably already among us.

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March 3, 2018 at 11:36 am

Become a man with no past. It worked for me.

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i.e. “blue” is real.

Or…the program has been written so that “blue” seems real.

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March 3, 2018 at 7:20 pm

The curse of being smart is that you can rationalize anything.

That is why engineers have “sanity checks”. In this context, “What would disprove my theory?”

It is typically why you have different engineers doing design vs engineers doing design checks.

Very few have the courage to destroy their own design.

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March 4, 2018 at 1:34 pm

If senses are generally unreliable, then how can we get empirical info?

Instrumentation. Calibrated instrumentation.

We have come a fair way with our understanding of quantum mechanics.

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Instrumentation. Calibrated instrumentation.

Do we read the dials by some psychic process that avoids the 5 senses?

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Just like, well, everybody

Let’s get back on point…the Jews established a rudimentary epistemology of testimony…did anybody else do that…you can find the epistemology in their scriptures.

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@ Palma sailor

Reading your story. Thx. I’ve passed it on to my son too.

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“Or…the program has been written so that “blue” seems real.” I said Real, not True. If our minds are the product of a program, the program exists outside of our minds. The program is real, even if false. Margritte’s painting of a pipe is not a pipe, but it is a painting. “Instrumentation. Calibrated instrumentation.” I had already brought up instrumentation, but the senses must report the output of the instruments reliably if they are to be useful. ” …did anybody else do that…” The Jews got the idea from the major cultures around them, the Babylonians and the Egyptians,… Read more »

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“emblematic masculinity that is so appealing to people now.”

A woman speaks and certain sex-starved men think it’s true. Feminists find themselves routinely redefining masculinity to suit their purposes, Sisyphean work. She’s not telling Alphas not to be Alpha, she’s telling betas to remain beta.

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A recent study shows, that studies show different shit consistently over time, apparently to keep ” studies ” going, to be tweaking or refuting previous studies.😀

I’ve lost track of the studies regarding coffee. It either kills you or grants immortality, depending on what year it is.

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… ” by “, not ” to be ” above. Somebody should study spell checker.

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” . . . Sisyphean work.’

Drama, unending. Utopia!

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@palma He’s 17. My oldest is leaving soon, RPilled two years back, when I did, and reads TRM. He’s much different than I. I’m comforted that although he’s not he’s not smashing with women it, he is thoroughly sensitive to the FI, hypergamy and not being Blue Pilled. He knows what’s at stake. Good enough for now. He’s young though been working in busy diners for a couple years now, intuitively orders around/ignores all women OTJ. He’s an enigma to others too as he’s avoidant of trouble, though assertive when accomplishing his short and long term desires. He’s been the… Read more »

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” . . . he’s avoidant of trouble, though assertive when accomplishing his short and long term desires.”

So, he’s on track to founding an empire.

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The Jews got the idea from the major cultures around them, the Babylonians and the Egyptians Possibly, but I haven’t found any sources to corroborate that story. Otoh, the Jews made sure that their narrative survived. Here are the texts I’m thinking of: “Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established.” Implies confirmation of testimonial statements “The witnesses shall be examined thoroughly.” Implies judicial scrutiny “We cannot stop speaking of what we have seen and heard.” Implies an empirical requirement for testimony This has implications for law, history, and research. It’s interesting that Robert… Read more »

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He’s inscrutable to everyone though I know his subtle physical tells when he’s concerned. It took me a while to celebrate his personality, defend his approach to life, including, from my wife’s FI driven knee jerk too, time my advice when he’s receptive and allow him to flourish qua him, without my biases. Years back, he was 12-13, we were playing “Say Anything” board game. The question was: Which company would you most like working for? His written answer: My own. I couldn’t hold my love back for his intellect and potential. More important thats when I STFU about his… Read more »

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“Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established.”

That is not Jewish scripture. That is a letter written by a Jewish apostate circa 100 years after Maccabees (already a Greco-Roman influenced culture), instructing Roman law dating back no later than the founding of the Republic (and was probably basic military code in the encampment on Palatine Hill).

That is about the same time that the Jews were learning the principles of civilized jurisprudence from their Babylonian captors.

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Hammurabi code(s)

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“Hammurabi code(s)”

Dating from about the supposed time of Moses (a fugitive from Egyptian jurisprudence for a capital crime). Things that make you go, “Hmmmmm.”

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I’ll also note that the Gospels depict Jewish law as crude and barbaric, lacking civilized protections for the innocent, from a Roman judicial perspective.

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Laws that let you kill whoever you hate as long as you’re part of the Sanhedrin sure seem like the sort of thing that would get folks praying.

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The ten commandments require only two actions for piety: Keep the sabbath and honor mom and dad. The rest are inactions. In context, they were probably novel ideas.

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@Eh Intellect:

See my comment above. Moses fled Egypt because he had committed murder. I think you will find that “Don’t commit murder” has been a legal maxim among all peoples who object to being murdered.

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Sheeeeeit. I’m talking about the extracurricular shit that those fucks had BEFORE Jesus came and pushed their shit in. They has a good little system going. Maiming your tribute so you had to buy one of THEIRS if you wanted to offer it up. I know the atheists want a religion-less world, but The memory of Jesus helps arm the schmuck against Dr. Zaius and the rest of the “Civilzed” folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2fEfNOzcEU

Surely Elysium awaits.

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theasdgamer
March 5, 2018 at 3:50 am

Trust the gauges. Your senses can mislead you. IFR.

And – if the gauges have numbers can you read them correctly? There are tests for that.

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