What Makes a Man?

When I was compiling the material I was going to use for my second book, Preventive Medicine, I chose to use the essay Vulnerability in the hopes that I might be able to dispel one of the more egregious fantasies about masculinity – that vulnerability is in some way a strength for men. At the time I was rebutting the Mark Manson claim that men’s vulnerability was a necessity in whatever it was he used to consider Game, or the idea that a lot of Purple Pill hacks like to cling to about men’s vulnerability being some foundation upon which a “healthy” relationship ought to be built on. This trope is pulled straight from the Oprah / Dr. Phill handbook and really the belief that a man’s vulnerability is in someway a strength is part of a Blue Pill conditioned belief set that young boys are taught from a very early age.

Go to any woman’s dating advice for men blog today and you’ll likely read some variation of it. It’s actually part of our pop-psychology social consciousness – transvaluation is a very common theme; reversing weakness with strength has been the order for feminizing men and masculinizing women since the Sexual Revolution. I can remember hearing this ‘advice’ since the late 80s on any number of daytime talk shows. Reading this pabulum coming from ‘dating coaches’ with any association to the Red Pill was enough for me to want to dispel the notion. That, and the need for men to get in touch with their Jungian feminine sides as a means to better identifying with women and thus eventually getting laid by all the women who supposedly swooned for vulnerable, sensitive and emotionally available men (also known as ‘Beta Orbiters’).

However, as I was editing that essay for inclusion in the book I realized that what I was considering wasn’t so much the transvaluation of vulnerability and strength, but the model upon which the Feminine Imperative would like to convince men is appropriate and best suited for women’s needs in a relationship. The provable fact that women’s Hypergamy predisposes them to being aroused by men who display the most opposite aspects to this vulnerability (Dark Triad traits for example) doesn’t seem to matter; vulnerability is only beneficial to women seeking comfort and security in a long term partner.

In that essay I outlined a few things about what masculinity has become in a post-Sexual Revolution female-primary social order:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

I returned to this essay today because I think that over the past six months we’re seeing a strengthening push from the Feminine Imperative to clamp down on what we’re to believe should be an acceptable expression of masculinity. In essence the imperative (or the Village if you like) has been using every mass shooting tragedy to reiterate what masculinity should mean to men. And, failing this, the hope is still that men will be confused as to what conventional expressions they can subjectively define it in, in a more female-correct way.

The Feminine-Correct Paradigm

Since the most recent school shooting in Florida, the focus on what constitutes masculinity has come to the forefront of our social consciousness. What exactly is masculinity they keep asking, and then provide definitions that only have meaning to a social order that’s founded on female social dominance. They are definitions that most men heard repeated constantly as boys from their overwhelmingly female-taught and feminine-primary educations. Since the beginning of the Sexual Revolution and the rise of Fempowerment boys and men are expected to grow up into a female-defined masculinity. Boys are acculturated in contexts that feminize them, yet we are meant to believe that all the horrors of Patriarchal masculinity are still being taught to them today:

Two decades ago, the psychologist William Pollack wrote that boys start out sensitive but through a “shame-hardening process” — told to stop crying, to be a man — they learn to hide what they really feel. And if they don’t know or understand their own feelings, how can they care about anyone else’s?

This has become something of a cliché. And the truth is, there’s no single culture of boys, but many. In my memories of adolescence, beneath the constant ribbing and occasional pyromania, we had tremendous affection for one another. And we longed to connect with women with an intensity that was difficult to contemplate.

This was a quote from Real Men Get Rejected Too. It’s a good illustration of the paradox masculinity presents to parents and educators. The idea that boys are these sensitive delicate souls who, through the evils of their Patriarchal (typically male) upbringing, are conditioned to become ‘macho’ violent men is a popular trope. After Nikolas Cruz killed 17 kids at school it was the go-to rationale. “Boys are brought up to be violent gun-loving beasts thanks to a perpetuated misogynistic culture of men” or some variation of this is common. It’s an easy, digestible, info-bite that sounds right because we’ve heard it for so long. If only boys we’re taught more like girls to get in touch with their emotions and were vulnerable in expressing them we could avoid these male-created tragedies.

That’s the pretense we’re supposed to believe – and it’s important that a larger society does believe in the inherent evilness of masculinity if the Feminine Imperative is to maintain social dominance. But the truth is boys have been systematically feminized for the past 3-4 generations. Boys are taught like defective girls. Since the 1970s it is increasingly women who have dominated academia from kindergarten to doctorate degrees. The entire western education system is founded on a feminine-primary, feminine-defined teaching methodology. In the process of advantaging girls to the utmost efficiency in school (to fempower adult women) the educational atmosphere had to be defined by what best served girls. School and teaching became ‘for girls’ and the educational landscape shifted to teaching styles that girls were most benefited in.

In that shift the idea that boys might be disadvantaged had little bearing, but overtime the conditions of teaching ‘to girls’ defined the teaching style as the correct style. In fact, teaching in a way that girls learn best, and disciplining boys for not learning this way, is no longer a style – it is just the way children are taught. Boys and men today are the product of female teachers who actively advantage girls at the expense of boys. So normalized is this teaching that boys disrupting the advantaging of girls in class is something we’ve decided needs to be medicinally curbed. Boys being boys is diagnosed as an illness and drugs are prescribed so as to sedate them long enough for the girls to learn.

This focus on empowering girls isn’t limited to the classroom. In every form of early childhood through adolescent media, music, social networks and social exchanges this theme is continued; girls have the future in their reach, boys are potential rapists and criminals if they don’t fall in line with female-correct way of how things just are. I get asked a lot about what I think defines Blue Pill conditioning and I’d say this ambient social theme of fempowerment is a strong basis for it. Boys are not taught this old-school, much-feared Patriarchal masculinity, they are bombarded with themes of how masculinity is incorrect, laughable, and a shameful ‘act’ that boys have to put on to cover the ‘real’ female-correct versions of their sensitive selves. Boys are taught from the earliest age that being a boy is an incorrect mask, while being a girl, learning like a girl, emoting and relating like a girl is ‘real’ and the correct way of developing a personality.

Who would ever want to be a boy when so much is rewarded and praised about being a girl? There’s so much more advantage to be had if you’re a girl. As early as five years old boys are deliberately taught to loathe their own gender, but they are also being taught a redefinition of what a female-correct form of masculinity should be for them. The best they could do would be to become female to the best of their ability. They learn they must agree and support girls’ empowerment, identify with the feminine and above all, despise the parody of masculinity they are shown is ‘illegitimate’ and inauthentic.

Boys are systematically taught to make women and womankind their Mental Point of Origin. This is why it is so difficult for men to unplug and abandon their old Blue Pill selves; feminine-primacy was literally conditioned into them since they were kids.

Nikolas Cruz, like many other teenage shooters is the product of this feminine-primary education system, not a Patriarchal “teach boys not to cry” machismo school. He is a monster of their creation; one taught to cry on demand and emote like a girl. He’s the result of a participation trophy mentality that demonize men and masculinity to the point that he never learns how to bounce back from defeat, rejection or simply life’s adversities. No men and no masculinity is available to teach that kid how to harden up and be resilient, or how that masculine discipline is not bullying or hazing, but a necessary part of a boy’s maturation into a masculine man.

But to throw society off the trail a false narrative of hyper-masculinity ruining our otherwise feminine-correct boys is perpetuated. When the next school shooting takes place the Village will again want the public to believe it’s masculinity and men’s fault for what is really his emotional outburst. The Village will attempt to place the responsibility on men, on fathers, while in the meantime perpetuating the idea that men/fathers are superfluous at best, a societal burden at worst. Men are useful catspaws in so many ways, and in perpetuating this narrative the Village reinforces the female-correct theme for grown men too.

Masculinity is what they say it is, or else

In the Honor System I proposed the following:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

It’s important to review this premise if we want to understand the real intent the Feminine Imperative has in redefining masculinity for men. Aspects of conventional masculinity are useful for women, and masculine duty (appeals to men’s “honor”) is a means to access it while avoiding the aspects that would in any way advantage men over women. Conventional masculinity is largely disparaged and parodied in order to disenfranchise men, but men are still needed to save women from natural disasters and protect them from physical harm (so long as they never expect sex for it). On some level of consciousness women understand the transactional and validational aspects of sex. They know that men’s serviceableness comes with an implied transactional cost, so to circumvent this women had to be put in charge of defining what masculinity should mean to men.

Masculinity as defined by men is almost always illegitimate and inauthentic in a feminine-primary world order. The presumption is that “macho man” ridiculous masculinity is a mask that men wear. That mask is meant to cover their true feminine-correct selves; because men cannot be authentic in any other context than the taught, feminine-correct context. So, of course, men can only be fakes or insecure of their masculinity (the masculinity defined by the feminine) and can never ‘really’ be that strong, dominant male apart from the permission the Feminine Imperative gives him.

Because the Feminine Imperative controls the overall context for what should be correct for men this has the effect of making women the sole deciders of what is masculine. In effect, and in this Blue Pill context, women become the gatekeepers of manhood. If masculinity imbues men with manhood (literally being considered a man) a ‘man’ is only whom a woman will designate as such within her presumed, feminine-correct context. In other words, do the imperative’s bidding and it dubs you a ‘man’.

Breaking the Cycle

As you might’ve guessed, this social dynamic conflicts with women’s Hypergamous imperatives. A Beta who thinks he’s a ‘man’ and presumes entitlements because of that is a woman’s worst fear. A Beta transgressing into a manhood that the imperative didn’t give him is the making for a guy being considered a sexual predator. However, an Alpha man, a man of high sexual market value still needs to accept the feminine-correct social frame, but he must also know his role within that frame. I’ve made the comparison in the past that women only see men as either draft animals or breeding stock. In a feminine-correct paradigm the breeding stock must know that his conventionally masculine aspects mean different things to a woman (Alpha Fucks sex) than the draft animal’s masculine aspects (Beta Bucks service). As such, masculinity and a designation of being a man becomes a constant qualifier for a Beta male. Manhood becomes a carrot he follows to pull the feminine-correct cart.

In fact, Beta men hold their female-correct ‘man’ designation as an unwitting point of pride. Examples abound of self-righteous Betas AMOGing other men for not being ‘real men’ (according to the imperative) like themselves. What they’re ignorant of is that this self-righteousness is defined by how well they conform to the masculinity that the imperative tells him is useful – and avoiding the ‘toxic’ masculinity it also defines for him – all according to his role in the scheme of a woman’s sexual strategy.

Should a man awaken from this Blue Pill conditioning and coronate himself as a ‘man’ outside the approval of womankind, this is when he’s ridiculed as an old school Patriarch and an anachronism of the old male-incorrect social paradigm. This is the control the imperative has against men stepping out side this female-controlled masculinity. The first response any female critic has for men who make themselves their mental point of origin is to remove that status of manhood.

Because they don’t accept feminine-primacy this disqualifies them from ‘real’ manhood.

One of the most difficult aspects men face in unplugging and living in Red Pill awareness is the social stigma that follows when they remove womankind from the pedestal and make themselves their mental point of origin. He gets called an asshole, he gets called selfish, he gets called a misogynist, but he’s also “less of a man” because he no longer conforms to the definition of masculinity that the Feminine Imperative has taught him from his earliest memories. Learning to redefine his mental image of what makes a man a man in his own Red Pill aware state is tough. Most of what he considered the very limited and controlled aspects of an ideal masculinity are a big part of the Blue Pill idealism he was raised on. This transition to conventional masculinity is also hampered by a deep learning of shame and gender loathing for finding anything positive in masculinity.

These are some important things to keep in mind if you are moving into a Red Pill awareness and learning to live in a new paradigm based around a conventional understanding of masculinity that isn’t inherently evil. It’s hard to do, but that old mental model of masculinity your teachers (all of them) convinced you was incorrect is something you must unlearn and cut yourself away from. Know that women don’t just long for that dominant masculinity, they need it for the health of their own life experiences. They need the protection, the comfort, the security and the discipline that masculinity balances their lives with.

Women ask, “where have all the ‘real’ men gone?”, but they exist outside the presumed, feminine-correct paradigm they mistakenly believe they have a secure control of. They don’t want to let go of that, so they will fight you to maintain a control over masculinity (which by definition can be chaotic as well as comforting) that they never really had – even with all the social engineering.

 

Yes I know my enemy, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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March 1, 2018 at 9:52 am

LTR: “When do I get what I want?”
Me: “Are you happier these days?
LTR: “Yes.”
Me: “Then never. Because what you want makes you unhappy. If you don’t like it. Stay away.”
She: (Begins hugging me)

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March 1, 2018 at 11:14 am

What I do in such cases, “I’d like you to meet my wife.” Assuming your wife can handle it. Mine LOVES meeting her rivals. It makes her very hot for me. She likes that.

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You mobile?

Need to set up near a uni to get the volume of younger girls you want. Or a resort place where women want a little local fuckee fuckee icing on their instacake. The benefit is they are there for a week so can’t get beta buxy on you. You just need to lock down two spots and do the same setup over and over with solid logistics. Get a small spare place with a good view, tell the girls you are an artist or a beach bum.

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Palma ” Everyone talks about the theory but no one has done the math on whats required to get regular sex with women you want on your own terms at the age I’m at. And I stress at the ‘age I’m at’ thing as they are ALL in provider hunter mode at 35+ when they are looking at men like me. It’s just some are masking it better than others and some will stray from the script temporarily thinking they’ll tie you down later. So if I want sex three or four times a week I need 10+ plates, but… Read more »

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“What I do in such cases, “I’d like you to meet my wife.”

I like this, especialy after hearing what newlys wife says when he ain’t there to hear.

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” Just need to put more meat through the sausage machine.”

lol. Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about.

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“This is why blacks in 2015 only own one half of one percent of this nation’s wealth — the exact same percentage we owned on the eve of the civil war. This economic castration has frozen the capacity of blacks to build and grow in this country. We simply don’t have the tools to compete.” LMAO – yeah, Asian Americans in the 1950s had nothing, had their wealth stripped and were placed into concentration camps in the 1940s, had low income, dealt with significantly higher racism than blacks for two decades after Pearl Harbor and yet today are the wealthiest… Read more »

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@ Rob

You’re back.

What % of the population are Asians in the U.S.?

Speaking of concentration camps….

” In 1988, President Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act to compensate more than 100,000 people of Japanese descent who were incarcerated in internment camps during World War II. The legislation offered a formal apology and paid out $20,000 in compensation to each surviving victim”

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…lol

btw, I’m not going to engage you in this any further as your initial statement shows you do not posses the historical chops.

Other than that, good to see you return.

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… and I’d put my IQ up against yours any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

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Feminist hates on “Fascinating Womanhood” quotes…like these scrumptious nuggets (h/t Mrs. Eh): 1. “Love is not reserved for the young, the single, nor the beautiful. It is reserved for those who arouse it in a man. If a man does not love with his heart and soul, it is entirely the woman’s fault.” 6. “Some very fine men have violent tempers. But if you could understand what he suffers and why, you would be more sympathetic. He doesn’t become angry with you without reason. You may have hurt his pride, or trampled on his freedom, or stolen from him his… Read more »

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lol, but I don’t give IQ the gravitas that you do. It’d be fun though.

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“every one that I have either dumped or who has dumped me because she couldn’t get me tied down for exclusivity continues to return for sex. Even if they have married or got a new BF..” lol. awesome.I have done the math when it comes to good lays and it sucks, which is why my new plan is: carefully screen for the right 18 year old sugar baby. move her in, covering only her room and board and maybe some training or tutoring or something else intangible to sweeten the deal, don’t fuck her at all for two weeks, game… Read more »

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Blax, at least you didn’t say #nohomo

XD

(Kind of sad that people think they need to say that…you wonder if they’re metrosexual.)

You should love your very distant cousins…we’re related thru Uber-Great-Grandpa Noah.

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@ Blax

Rob’s not a some lost soul looking for a path to daylight.

Rob:

https://giphy.com/gifs/scrooge-mcduck-YZGJc1WmUZPi0

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But, I like Rob. He’s like a big, blank canvas. I almost don’t care what he says, I just want him to keep coming back and saying whatever he wants to. Lol

Hey Rob,

if small % of people impress you, then check this out ( I know you never heard any of this before, but It’s cool )

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php

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waiting for hank and rob to combine in a unified attack to destory blax

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Hank is looking for a picture of a mud hut as I type this.

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@Blax – I never left – just comment when and where I want to. “What % of the population are Asians in the U.S.?” Asian Americans are ~7% of the US vs ~12% for blacks. Blaming slavery (10-14 gens ago) is ludicrous. 95%+ of whites were poor then and had nothing, many also chained to the land, and most whites living in the US today came from ancestry that came to the US *after* the Civil War and those groups (Italians, Irish, etc) were lower class than blacks for at least one, frequently two generations, and over half of US… Read more »

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@ Rob

I never said *whites * had/have anything to do with slavery ( and I don’t wish to keep beating this long dead horse either..). No. Average white people didn’t own slaves. No, average white people didn’t have anything to do with slavery. That’s an unfortunate knee jerk reaction that avoids the facts of my point.

The united states government, including the highest court in the land is directly culpable for slavery. It was the Laws Lebowsky.

And as far as ” immigrants back then –

http://semperaltius.com/oklahoma_land_rush.htm

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/american-history-series-settlers-rush-to-claim-western-land-90841054/115787.html

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” I hope you do have a higher IQ than me. The more people in the US with IQs over 140, the more likely we are to remain a super-power over China in the next 50 years.”

Lol. Well, I did my part. I raised 2 of them. 1 masters, # 2 on the way…maybe.

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Blax – I didn’t mean to mean that you meant whites owned slaves, just that the average (90+%) white person was at best marginally better off than blacks in 1860 and that most whites living in the US today came after the war in worse circumstances than blacks did in 1880s-1930s and yet those groups are now doing very well (generally speaking). Black income has basically stagnated since the “war on poverty” started in the early 1960s and the rise in single family houses, primarily young black women, living off government largess while every other race has continued to see… Read more »

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err rather whites were responsible for slavery…..a small % of whites obviously owned slaves

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The Chinese population of honors students is larger than the US population of Students.

The dragon no longer sleeps.

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Rob ” I didn’t mean to mean that you meant whites owned slaves, just that the average (90+%) white person was at best marginally better off than blacks in 1860 and that most whites living in the US today came after the war in worse circumstances than blacks did in 1880s-1930s and yet those groups are now doing very well (generally speaking). ” Okay. Last bits from me then I’m going to change the subject. The groups that came in the 1880’s-1930’s faced an assload of racism and discriminataion. I grew up with enough Italian, Irish, Polish and German neighbors… Read more »

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What I learned 50 years ago – ” The United States government used the theories of Cesare Lombroso, a 19th-century Northern Italian doctor, to stop more of his suffering, starving countrymen and women from immigrating. Lombroso, a traitor to his own people, was convinced that there was such a thing as a “natural born criminal.” He measured the heads and body parts of thousands of fellow Italians — particularly Southerners — and came up with a description that matched the description of most of the immigrants coming over at the time: short, dark, hairy, big noses and ears. He compared… Read more »

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I’m 60 years old, in Florida. In the meet ups, the female to male ratio is the same as what you have experienced. The quality of the women is also the same. And they are all delusional about their looks. Fortunately, there are enough good looking/decent looking ones to get laid regularly.

However, finding a good looking one who isn’t a pain in the ass, isn’t jaded, doesn’t bitch too much, and is pleasant to be around is another story.

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“When we draw structural diagrams and then write equations, we are forced to make our assumptions visible and to express them with rigor” function/purpose = free sex bots (s) f(x) = s evaluate for x the function of: whore (w) + Game (g) + preselection (p) + time (t) + orgasms (o) = sex bot (s) w = hb7 (h) + specific qualities (q) g= Rollo (r) + CH (c) + Ya (y) + Mano (m) p= alpha fux (a) + >hb7 (h) t= 3 weeks<t<1 year o= alpha fux (a) + specific environmental conditions (e) known variables: v (age,… Read more »

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/young-harvey-weinstein-making-a-monster-1089069
palmasailor
Just saw a counselor and yes its the game in the handle. (kids)

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Lmao fleezer.

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“However, finding a good looking one who isn’t a pain in the ass, isn’t jaded, doesn’t bitch too much, and is pleasant to be around is another story.”

Step ya game up!

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Read the comment’s in all the videos…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtn3AIOL__A
not trying to over post again but i find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsfbO9oz0GI
playdon’tplay read the comment’s in youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8FrprKUDIw
mersonia,palmasailor

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@ kfg

” The dragon no longer sleeps.”

I’ve been saying that since the late 90’s/early 2000’s.

As a Superpower, we’re going to have some very serious issues going forward, and it won’t all be about trade – although who one owes money to is important.

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“The Chinese population of honors students”

Chinese chip design problems end up stateside per my 30 year chip design connection.

His quote: “They’re not getting it.”

Throwing bodies at problems is what China does.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSk35azfuJE

This brightened my day.

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Just meet a man who lost is mother in the Vegas shooting and his son in Afghanistan. he is 42 and was talking about a women who left him on the bus. I was attempting to listen and heard him talk about his life and every word was from a red pill context of reality. He now does clown work to pay for his life’s interest. One thing that stood out is how sort of a time span he lost both his son and his mother… I could attempt to relate but maybe suicide and death as loss is felt… Read more »

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lol unfortunate knee jerk reaction that avoids the facts of my point. was exactly what my mud hut photoshow was about. Me: “We can’t get good research on race and IQ because merely suggesting it gets you labeled a racist. Blax: “URGGHHBNLLL RAAACIST!” literally proving the exact issue I brought up. My picture show arose from blax saying there is no evidence for a difference in IQ in the historical record. I simply posted pictures showing that, no, simply because you disagree with blax does not make you a racist — there is some evidence for racial differences in IQ.… Read more »

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i have never lived so naturally comfortably as when I lived in a mud brick hut in the mile high Mexican desert.

You’d have to be an idiot to build a modern western style house (sticks covered with fertilizer) there.

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” The Nile is a major north-flowing river in northeastern Africa, and is commonly regarded as the longest river in the world, though some sources cite the Amazon River as the longest. ” ” The Mississippi River is the chief river of the second-largest drainage system on the North American continent, second only to the Hudson Bay drainage system” http://fortuneofafrica.com/top-10-rivers-in-africa/ ” The North American River System. The most distinctive and important feature of North America is the river network in the middle third of the continent. The network consists of six distinct river systems: the Missouri, Arkansas, Red, Ohio, Tennessee… Read more »

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Not that I’ve seen. Why do you ask?

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@kfg i have never lived so naturally comfortably as when I lived in a mud brick hut in the mile high Mexican desert. You’d have to be an idiot to build a modern western style house (sticks covered with fertilizer) there. Exactly. Why fix something that isn’t broke? Why invent something more complicated if you don’t have to. Hero invented the steam engine 2,000 years ago. A silly invention. Why create a machine to do hard work when you can just use slaves? @blax Europe Africa Which is going to be easier to transport goods and people? Add to that… Read more »

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Anyone want to school this guy? I’m tired.

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Blaximus March 1, 2018 at 1:10 pm IQ is a pretty good predictor of performance – on average. My go to question on this is – would you rather have an IQ 140 pilot or an IQ 60 pilot for your commercial flight? So it predicts something. For the individual other things come into play. Area of interest. Tenacity. Reliability. etc. Also note – reaction speed is about as good for IQ testing as paper and pencil tests. So IQ is in fact a measure of how fast (and accurate) can you think? What many people leave out of the… Read more »

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Yay unproductive discussions again.
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That’s interesting. Some of it may have to do with the average type of guy who shows up at the meet ups where I live. Most of them seem pretty beta and they aren’t clocked into the reality of what women are really like. So I think it’s possible that many of them don’t realize that metoo applies to all men.

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what’s the end game for the race/IQ discussion? will blax finally cave in and blubber for forgiveness for his ignorance? will hank redirect what little energy he has to more fruitful endeavors, like getting laid? I for one don’t know or care but let’s get to it or drop it; I’m here for the praxeology relating to intersexual dynamics and how it dovetails into a man’s overall personal development and you guys are a blast to read sometimes at least the Mitch debacle is on topic; and yes, you know it’s bad when even the Mitch stuff is a better… Read more »

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boon·dog·gle

ˈbo͞onˌdäɡəl/Submit
NORTH AMERICANinformal
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work or activity that is wasteful or pointless but gives the appearance of having value.
“writing off the cold fusion phenomenon as a boondoggle best buried in literature”
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waste money or time on unnecessary or questionable projects.

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I second the motion. Who gives a shit about race and IQ? Next thing they’ll be discussing is who’s dick is bigger. LOL

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try these:

boondoggle:

– to do futile and unnecessary work
– to deceive or attempt to deceive

these apply nicely, I stand by my choice

that’s right, my diction is rock hard

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Just the facts ma’am.

https://youtu.be/wOZUyR2rQ68

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Yes, my diction is hardest when I wake up in the morning.

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M Simon My basic issue with IQ and the way people react to it, is that yes, it is only a measure of one’s ability to learn. That’s it. It does not really say anything about an individual or a group at all. There are plenty of what my mom used to call ” genius dummies ” out in the world that all of that ability never amounts to very much at all. And ime, a lot of the pro high IQ arguments usually come from people that don’t sound all that smart in the first place. Take hank and… Read more »

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” second the motion. Who gives a shit about race and IQ? Next thing they’ll be discussing is who’s dick is bigger. LOL”

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lol.

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Dr. Z

I apologize. Seriously.

But I do get soo tired of that stuff. I hear it all the time in the sphere or elsewhere online and it’s just as inaccurate as what I posted above re: Italian immigrants. The same shit over and over again.

But you and anyone else complaining is 100% correct.

Perdoname.

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Honest guys, I didn’t pay blax to react as he did. Its honestly really annoying for him to so utterly prove all my points. @blax That’s an unfortunate knee jerk reaction that avoids the facts of my point. — a blax quote from earlier. You can’t make this shit up. Nevermind that I just dropped several bits of evidence that supports the claim that there is no connection with race and IQ. No, lets just argue purely for the sake of argument. So we literally have Blax arguing against evidence for no connection between race and IQ and brushing it… Read more »

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I figured you’d swing at the pitch… lol

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Well, when you got a bat….

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blax, no apologies needed, I consider you part of the solution, not the problem

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March 1, 2018 at 5:25 pm

Yeah. Good old Joe Friday. Prohibitionist Joe Friday.

Trump has recently proposed the death penalty for drug dealers. I’ll raise the ante. How about the Death Penalty for Prohibitionists? Since we know from the 1920s how that works. There is no excuse.

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I’m one of those “Libertarians”. And we certainly could use smaller government. In fact men have been seriously damaged by government mandate.

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LMAO

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BTW marriage was made a government function in the US to keep Blacks and Whites from intermarrying.

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“Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967) is a landmark civil rights decision of the United States Supreme Court, which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage. The case was brought by Mildred Loving (née Jeter), a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, who had been sentenced to a year in prison in Virginia for marrying each other. Their marriage violated the state’s anti-miscegenation statute, the Racial Integrity Act of 1924, which prohibited marriage between people classified as “white” and people classified as “colored”. The Supreme Court’s unanimous decision determined that this prohibition was unconstitutional, overruling Pace v. Alabama (1883)… Read more »

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palma is paying attention

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@blax he’s tenacious and innocently pushes the idea that ” races ” have different IQ and ability, while ignoring millennia of world history to the contrary. He’s more of a manosphere historian, pushing the same half truths that are extremely popular in the sphere. Just above I was giving evidence that there is no connection between race and IQ When I first brought the issue up, it was simply to defend scientists who want to do research on the subject, but cant, because they are called racists by guys like you. My personal beliefs are that one’s intelligence are a… Read more »

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If my IQ is XXX, if IQ is genetic, how is this possible if I am a black man who is 40% Ethiopian? According to ” data “, I’m supposed to be sub 80 in IQ. Statistical distribution. As I mentioned it is left out in nearly every general discussion of the subject. BTW as a race (human) we will be getting smarter all the time. Women prefer men a little smarter than they are. Currently this preference is concentrated most heavily in the upper classes. Murray wrote a book about this. But it is true among all classes to… Read more »

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@Blax – Yes, but the blacks born in the south in 1880 and 1920 grew up with *significantly* more racism than those born in 1960 but still advanced rapidly economically – salary going up dollar for dollar with whites while those born in 1960 did not at all and in fact have regressed in many areas economically. The only difference is between 1880 and 1960 (besides the level of racism is a lot lower) the black family unit was identical to the white family unit and from 1960 to today, out of wedlock births among blacks is astronomically higher than… Read more »

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“BTW marriage was made a government function in the US to keep Blacks and Whites from intermarrying.”

That’s one of the issues I brought up in the Thread of Infamy, explaining that government involvement is not what makes a marriage a marriage

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I foresaw this….. with my third eye loll.

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Rob ” If you want to blame others for your troubles – money, education, women, race, male, female whatever etc – you will. If you want to move forward to advance yourself economically or otherwise, circumstances be damned, its very easy to do so. Blaming others – especially those 150+ years ago – is a good way to never advance.” I agree. I don’t ” blame “. If I’m standing in a room full of people, and suddenly there’s a knife buried in my chest, and I yell out ” Somebody stabbed me!!!! ” , I’m not blaming , I’m… Read more »

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… Sowell is good, but he’s lost.

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” genius dummy “… lol.

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@M Simon Statistical distribution. As I mentioned it is left out in nearly every general discussion of the subject. Yeah people just don’t get bell curves. Its populations not individuals. You cant say, using that data, that the bearded hispanic man over there is less intelligent than the asian woman sitting next to him. But given 100 hispanics and 100 asians, you’d expect to find more higher IQ individuals amongst the asians than the hispanics. However, there would still be plenty of dumb asians and smart hispanics. People get so emotional about this stuff there is just no explaining it.… Read more »

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“Now, economically savvy as you are, what impact do you think a man working that hard for that long, has on the next generation? Your inheritance for a lifetime of work was dick.” Obviously it has paid massive dividends, especially if your kids are remotely like you. That’s the secret to Asian success is always push and provide for your kids better than you were and hold them accountable. It’s possible over time that will break down. Again, I”ll restate the facts from 1880 to 1960 blacks faced ~10+x the racism they do today, yet blacks advanced at the same… Read more »

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On the subject of a culture with a pill for everything, Jonathan Colton actually got it right:

https://youtu.be/SX23I890Umk

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@blax

…sowell agrees with you…

he says its cultural not genetic….

this is what I am talking about…

https://youtu.be/nb6yOklzHMI?t=27

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@Rob

“I don’t know how to fix it”

Stop giving poor mothers an economic incentive to kick the father out of the home for starters.

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@ Sun

“Stop giving poor mothers an economic incentive to kick the father out of the home for starters.”

I certainly won’t disagree with that, but why is it happening at a much higher rate among black americans than other races with the same economic incentives in place? I’d argue its purely culture, although other races are rapidly catching up (unfortunately) with out of wedlock statistics.

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Rob Whatever you are reading to get your ” data ” from evidently is missing gigantic chunks of readily available explanation. This is why for the average person, these things seem impossible to understand. I’ll just put it like this: the same machinations that you point to that can’t be explained or understood are now slowly starting to affect more and more of society. something is causing this. I posit that it’s the same something that has always been. Stick around and pay attention – http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Im-from-the-government-and-im-here-to-help.jpg As for ” Hispanics “, I live in an area that’s 75% Hispanic at… Read more »

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Ann Coulter has been on a roll lately. Apparently it’s now standard practice in some schools to avoid calling the police when someone like Cruz makes threats, because if he has a felony arrest on his record, Ivy League schools might not accept him. Cruz was threatening to kill fellow students, etc.

Why would any parent leave their kids in a school that coddles violent people????? That’s abuse in my book. One word. Home schooling. Ok, I was off by one.

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Really, last one. You gotta look this stuff up on your own man.

The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state was the corrosive effect it had on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262726/how-liberal-welfare-state-destroyed-black-america-john-perazzo

Notice, above the signs don’t read: We Demand Welfare and Free Shit!!!

lol, fuckin’ LBJ.

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yeah welfare, drug war.

blacks were doing very well till LBJ fucked it up with his great society and then nixon with the drug war

and lo and behold what happens to whites when the same things come to that — opioid epidemic.

culture in part, but I think its gov’t polcies mainly — and they are what influenced those cultures.

oh wait, I forgot

I’m an evil racist

no, its just cuz blacks are dumb lol

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Blax, I’m curious. What impact did No Fault Divorce laws have on black divorce rates?

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Blax – I, and many others on here, have spoken about the welfare/left state already. But you have yet to provide a single statistic of why slavery has kept blacks down and black wealth down. Like I have repeatedly stated – black wealth went up in line with whites when racism was much higher from 1880-1960 and yet has fallen off a cliff since 1960. I can’t project my own experiences onto yours but what you felt in 1960 was nothing compared to blacks in the south felt in 1880 yet they kept growing wealth at the same rate of… Read more »

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” Blax, I’m curious. What impact did No Fault Divorce laws have on black divorce rates?”

Honestly? I have no clue. Until my generation, there were very few divorces and people tended to try and keep the courts out of your business as much as possible. Very little good ever came out of a court.

Marriage rates fell off a cliff over the last 25-30 years or so, making no-fault divorce a moot point.

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Rob People, regardless of color or economic standing, are still gonna fuck. Our disconnect come out of whatever you’re reading, and my boots on the ground for 57 years. I do know that most of the economic gain you refer to is due to black people heavily migrating north during the 50’s and 60’s. That’s how I wound up in jersey in the first place. People came here for jobs primarily. So it stands to reason that you’d see a blip upwards before gov’t intervention and the Great Society kicked in. And I have provided an explanation re: slavery and… Read more »

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Black History Month ended yesterday.

I’m done.

Lmao.

Good night fellas.

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Blax is right. Intelligence is speed. Peterson talks about that and why it matters. About 11 minutes. TL;DW – faster people get to the finish line first.

https://youtu.be/fjs2gPa5sD0

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Man just got back from an event meet lot’s of people and it was incredible.

Spoke to a few girls… Ah life is incredible…

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@Rob Blacks were disproportionately poor as opposed to whites when welfare went in to effect. Their progress up to that point was good, but their overall state still wasn’t. The drug war didn’t help either. The really bad part though is that black problems are exacerbated by poor blacks generally inhabiting inner cities (White Flight started as the welfare state ramped up) where more people are forced close together so every problem is magnified both in scope and visibility. Poor whites, meanwhile, have taken a lot longer to be noticed as they generally live outside cities in low population density… Read more »

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March 1, 2018 at 6:32 pm

Blax pointed you in the right direction at:

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March 1, 2018 at 6:53 pm

This might also be of interest:

http://issues.org/13-2/courtw/

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@M Simon The impression I can remember when I was tested as a kid was that it was not just about speed (the whole thing was basically impossible to get 100% through in the time allotted) but also testing your ability to derive solutions you had not yet seen from the knowledge you had already. It’s much more effective when checked at a young age to see that effect more definitively. I remember seeing several problems that I had not yet even been exposed to at all in school, but started deriving solutions to them on the spot. Tested out… Read more »

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“IQ is nothing to do with learning It’s processing power” Good Night Moon, what the fuck are you guys going on about? Learning is a road to Mastery which is developing processing power. IQ is a by product of that. The key to the discussion going on is that IQ is not correlated with Wisdom. And you can find a short video of Jordan Peterson explaining that. You want wisdom (a well developed personality) or high IQ. I prefer both. There are a bunch of socially inept guys out there that have not developed their personalities well. They may have… Read more »

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The link I posted at

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March 1, 2018 at 8:40 pm

would also help palma. Look for a place where women are socially in excess (colleges are good). Anything over 10% imbalance (females in excess) is good. Some campuses are 1.5 women for every man. Those are the best.

You may have to do a personal survey. Colleges/universities like to hide the information.

#1 daughter went into a STEM program. Males in excess. Thus women were highly valued. And probably acted accordingly. She decided after 4 years she doesn’t like hanging with nerds. She is currently selling insurance.

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Why would you want peers? Why not lead instead? Come here for rapport if you like.

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