The Lie of Equality

Reader KFG dropped this insight in last week’s post and I thought it was very relevant to something I’ve been contemplating for a while now:

As a general principle genetic fitness is always relative to the environment. A spread of genetic traits makes a species more robust, because it will have individuals better suited for survival in a greater range of environments.

There’s more than one breed of working dog because no one is “better.” Each has its specific strengths, paid for with corresponding weaknesses. A terrier is to small to hunt wolves, but you’re not going to stuff a wolfhound down a badger hole.

This was a great analogy. It’s also one of the primary reasons I believe the egalitarian equalist narrative is a deliberate lie with the hoped-for purpose of empowering people who cannot compete, or believe they have some plenary exclusion from competing in various aspects of life. One of the primary selling points of egalitarian equalism for men is the idea that they can be excluded from the Burden of Performance.

There is no such thing as ‘equality’ because life doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

The tests that a chaotic world throws at human beings is never equal or balanced in measure to our strengths to pass them. Equality, in the terms that egalitarian equalists are comfortable in defining it, implies that that every individual is equally matched in both value and utility within a totality of random challenges. Aside from this being patently false, it also demerits both strengths and weaknesses when that individual succeeds or fails at a particular challenge as a result of their individual character.

This is ironic in the sense that it provides easy, repeatable, excuses for a person’s successes or failures. If someone wins, well, we’re all equal so that person’s strengths which led to the success can be passed off as a result of assumed or circumstantial ‘privileges’ that made them better suited to their challenges – rarely is their hard work recognized, and even then, it’s colored by the overcoming of a presumed-unequal adversity that grants them ‘privilege’. If they fail, again, we’re all equal, so the failure is proof of a deficit, or a handicap, or a presumed repression of an equal person in a state of baseline equal challenge.

Individual Exceptionalism

One of the longest perpetuated cop outs (I should say paradoxes) that equalists cling to is the notion that People are People; that everyone is a unique individual (snowflake) and as such there is really no universally predictable method of testing character or knowing how a particular sex will respond to various challenges. It’s all random chance according to the individual’s socially constructed character and their capacity to be a ‘more evolved’, higher-thinking being.

On the surface this all-are-individuals notion may seem the antithesis of the ‘equality’ narrative that equalists cling to, but it is part of a cognitive dissonance all equalists struggle with. This approach is a means to standardizing individuality, so no scientific evidence that might find patterns of an evolved ‘nature’ of a person – or in our Red Pill case, a sex – can be predicted. It’s the hopeful cancellation of reams of empirical evidence that show how influential our biologies and inborn predispositions are. This ‘higher order’ individualism is always touted so the equailist mindset can claim that the exception to the rule disqualifies the overwhelmingly obvious general rule itself.

“We’re all exceptions to the rule.” – Carl Jung

“…and when we’re all special, no one will be.” – Syndrome

This fallacy is where we get the NA*ALT (not all ____ are like that) absolution of the most unflattering parts of human nature. Not All Women Are Like That is standard feminine-primary boilerplate for women and sympathizing men (White Knights) who’d rather we all ignore the aspects of female nature that shine a bad light on what are easily observable truths about their behavior and the motives behind them. The social convention relies on the idea that if there is even one individual contradiction to the generalization (always deemed an ‘overgeneralization’) then the whole idea must be wrong.

Of course, this individual exceptionality rule only applies to the concepts in which equalists have invested their egos in. When a generality proves an equalist’s ego-investment, that’s when it becomes an ‘endemic’ universal truth to their mindset. A binary over-exaggeration of this effect is the reflexive response for concepts that challenge their ego-investments. Thus, we see any and all of the (perceptually) negative aspects of masculinity (actually the totality of masculinity) painted as evidence of the endemic of ‘toxic’ masculinity as a whole. The individualist exceptionality in this instance is always ridiculed as ‘insecurity’ on the part of men even considering it.

The exceptionalism of the individual is always paired with some high-order consciousness, and/or the idea that anything that proves their ego-investment is “more evolved” – despite any evidence that proves the contrary – is proof of that this individual is a being who represents some evolutionary step forward. If you agree and support feminine-primacy it is ‘proof‘ that you are more ‘evolved’ than other men. Thus, the ‘more evolved’ status becomes a form of reward to the individual who aligns with the ideology. Conversely, the avoidance of being perceived as ‘unevolved’ serves as a form of negative reinforcement.

This is kind of ironic when you consider that the same equalist mindset that relies on the individualist exception is the same mindset that insists that everyone is the same; equal value, equal potential, equal purpose and equal ability. Again, the irony is that everything that would be used to establish the ‘unique snowflake’ ideology (so long as it contradicts innate strengths and weaknesses of an opposing ideology) is conveniently ignored in favor of blank-slate egalitarianism. There is a degree of wanting to avoid determinism (particularly biological determinism) for the individual in this blank-slate concept, but it also provides the equalist with a degree of feel-good affirmation that the individual is a product of social constructivism. So, we get the idea that gender is a social construct and, furthermore, that blank-slate individual is ‘more evolved’ to the point of redefining gender for themselves altogether. Even when that ‘individual’ is only 4 years old and hasn’t the capacity for abstract thought enough to make a determination.

To be an egalitarian equalist is to accept the cognitive dissonance that the individual trumps the general truth and yet simultaneously accept that the individual is just the blank-slate template of anyone else, thus negating the idea of the individual. It takes great stretches of belief to adhere to egalitarian if-then logic.

I apologize for getting into some heady stuff right out the gate here, but I think it’s vitally important that Red Pill aware men realize the self-conflicting flaw in the ideologies of post-modern equalism. Our feminine-primary social order is rife with it. They will disqualify the generalities of Red Pill awareness with individualist exceptionalism and in the next breath disqualify that premise with their investments in blank-slate egalitarianism.

This is easiest to see in Blue Pill conditioned men and women still plugged in to the Matrix, but I also see the same self-conflicting rationales among Red Pill aware men using the same process to justify personal ideology or their inability to de-pedestalize women on whole. There’s a common thread amongst well-meaning Red Pill men to want to defend the individual natures of women who align with the Blue Pill ego-investments they still cling to. All women are like that so long as those women are granola-eating, furry-armpit feminists – ‘Red Pill Women’ then become the individual (snowflake) exceptions to the otherwise general rule because they fit a different, idealized, profile.

The Inequality of Equality

I’ve stated this in many prior threads, but, I do not believe in “equality”.

I don’t believe in equality because I can objectively see that reality, our respective environments, our personal circumstances, etc. are all inherently unequal. Everyday we encounter circumstances in life which we are eminently unequalled for in our ability to address them. Likewise, there are circumstances we can easily overcome without so much as an afterthought. Whether these challenges demand or test our physical, mental, material or even spiritual capacities, the condition is the same – reality is inherently chaotic, unfair and challenging by order of degree. To presume that all individuals have equal value in light of the nature of reality is, itself, an unequal presumption. To expect sameness in the degree of competency or incompetency to meet any given challenge reality throws at us is a form of inequality. And it’s just this inequality that equalists ironically exploit.

As KFG was stating, “each dog has it’s strengths for a given task”. One dog is not as valuable as another depending on what determines a positive outcome. What equalism attempts do to – what it has the ludicrous audacity to presume – is to alter reality to fit the needs of the individual in order to make all individuals equally valuable agents. This is the ‘participation trophy’ mentality, but it is also a glaring disregard for existential reality. Which, again, contradicts the idea of individual exceptionalism; reality must be made to be equal to accommodate the existence of the equally valuable individual.

To say you don’t believe in equality is only outrageous because it offends the predominant social narrative of today. It seemingly denies the inherent value of the individual, but what is conveniently never addressed is how an environment, condition and state defines what is functionally valued for any given instance. Like the dog bred to hunt ferrets out of their warrens is not the functional equal of a dog bred to run down prey at 45 MPH. The value of the individual is only relevant to the function demanded of it.

The default misunderstanding (actually deliberate) most equalists believe is that functional worth is personal worth. I addressed this in Separating Values:

When you attempt to quantify any aspect of human ‘value’ you can expect to have your interpretations of  it to be offensive to various people on the up or down side of that estimate. There is simply no escaping personal bias and the offense that comes from having one’s self-worth attacked, or even confirmed for them.

The first criticism I’ve come to expect is usually some variation about how evaluating a person’s SMV is “dehumanizing”, people are people, and have intrinsic worth beyond just the sexual. To which I’ll emphatically agree, however, this dismissal only conveniently sidesteps the realities of the sexual marketplace.

Again, sexual market value is not personal value. Personal value, your value as a human being however one subjectively defines that, is a definite component to sexual market value, but separating the two requires an often uncomfortable amount of self-analysis. And, as in Ms. Korth’s experience here, this often results in denial of very real circumstances, as well as a necessary, ego-preserving, cognitive dissonance from that reality.

Denial of sexual market valuation is a psychological insurance against women losing their controlling, sexual agency in their hypergamous choices.

This is where the appeal to emotion begins for the equalist mindset. It seems dehumanizing to even consider an individuals functional value. Human’s capacity to learn and train and practice to become proficient or excel in various functions is truly a marvel of our evolution. Brain plasticity being what it is, makes our potential for learning and overcoming our environments what separates us from other animals. We all have the potential to be more than we are in functional value, and this is the root of the emotional appeal of equalists. It’s seems so negative to presume we aren’t functional equals because we have the capacity and potential to become more functionally valuable. The appeal is one of optimism.

What this appeal ignores is the functional value of an individual in the now; the two dogs bred for different purposes. What this appeal also ignores is the ever-changing nature of reality and the challenges it presents to an individual in the now and how this defines value. What equalism cannot do is separate functional value from potential value.

Adopting a mindset that accepts complementarity between the sexes and between individuals, one that celebrates and utilizes innate strengths and talents, yet also embraces the weaknesses and compensates for them is a far healthier one that presuming baseline equivalency. Understanding the efficacy of applying strengths to weaknesses cooperatively while acknowledging we all aren’t the same damn dog will be a key to dissolving the fantasy of egalitarian equalism and create a more balanced and healthier relations between the sexes. Embracing the fact that condition, environment, reality and the challenges they pose defines our usefulness is far better than to assume any single individual could ever be a self-contained, self-sufficient island unto themselves – that is what equalism would have us believe.

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kfg
kfg
3 years ago

There is a category error in Collins, created by his lack of expertise. Color blindness is a physical attribute. Whereas, assuming that one can distinguish one pitch from another, “Perfect” (i.e. Absolute) pitch is a learned skill. It’s a memory function.

The analogous sound perception state to color blind would be tone deaf.

Albert
3 years ago

@kfg The analogous sound perception state to color blind would be tone deaf. Albert comment (299) [12] The twelfth link was from Professor Harry Collins, who studies science for the past 40 years, particular in the field of gravitational waves. His idea is that although scientists cannot proof truth, their cultural norms underlie our societal organisation and are therefore worth preserving in its own right. The “game” that scientists play, inspires a set of values that are performativley acted out by the way scientists describe the world (with their method, which data they choose, how they formulate an argument, what… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

I am great at parties by the way! Get me drunk and we talk for hours about what you find interesting.

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Albert
3 years ago

just get the rounds back, that’s what Big [retracted] who introduced me to the red pill used to say

pinelero
pinelero
3 years ago

“I think it is pretty eviden now that I have more expertise in the scientific method than anyone on this blog and the only way I can demonstrate this expertise is by showing it to people (walking the talk). By showing you on this blog of how the scientific method works in pratice, I can manifest this expertise that I calim to have (walk the talk). ” Last year I helped my two little girls with their science projects and the write-up, and their scientific method started out with a simple problem statement and a hypothesis. Simple being a key… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
3 years ago

@Albert

“All that i have is my faith in the masculine sprit that recognises courage and rewards it with kindness.”

Personal Bias Identified! Remain aware of the boundaries between individuals! Online AND Offline!

Read Rollo’s “Myth of the ‘Good’ guy”. Don’t drink beforehand. You need all your wits to kill gods.

Albert
3 years ago

@pinelero is that what you do with my kind of knowledge? What has made you forget the face of your father?

https://youtu.be/GjwfqXTebIY

The movie was pretty shit, but tgat phrase stuck

Albert
3 years ago

@Yollo Comanche

“Personal Bias Identified! Remain aware of the boundaries between individuals! Online AND Offline!”

I know, this is why I didn’t like how I had to potentially doxx myself to get my points across. So now I have skin in the game so to speak. But I try to keep it as separated as possible.

If I am arguing for anything is to white knight for the beta I suppose. As stupid as this may sound

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“What has made you forget the face of your father?”

The irony train is fine.

Albert
3 years ago

“Every PUA technique, every common frustration MGTOW experience, and every gender-biased social injustice MRAs set themselves against, all find their roots in feminine Hypergamy, women’s pluralistic sexual strategy and the social and legal manifestation employed to ensure maximal feminine social primacy in optimizing Hypergamy.” White knighting for the beta would enforce masculine values and sidestep these issues potentially, because even while this is true: “There is no Alpha with a side of Beta, there is only the man who’s genuine concern is first for himself, the man who prepares and provisions for himself, the man who maintains Frame to the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Albert Meaning, judging that allows for no uncertainty (1). You are not the first arrogant graduate student I’ve ever seen. That the extiror, first impression of YOUR perception is synonymous with objective reality (2) Nah. The objective reality of male / female relationships is all over the androsphere, this is just one center of learning. You don’t get that. Because you won’t pay attention to what other men are telling you. and That there is a sense of self-righteousness and smugness about these types of judgments (3). LOL at your projection. Are you really female, pretending to be male for… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

The best dichotomy of alpha beta that is not contingent upon female sexual strategy that I have come across is

Alpha – controlls environment
Beta – is controlled by the environment

theasdgamer
3 years ago

If I am arguing for anything is to white knight for the beta I suppose. As stupid as this may sound

I think that psychology calls this “enabling behavior.”

Albert
3 years ago

‘After reading all of this I can understand if anyone thinks this is a very nihilistic observation. Let me be clear, this dynamic is real by order of degrees for individual women. A woman’s conditions may be such that she’s never needed to tap into this reserve. Also, we are dealing with subconscious elements of her personality here, so it would come as no surprise that feminine solipsism wouldn’t be cognitive for most women – thus offensive and denied. I’m not asking that anyone accept this idea as gospel, just that the dots do connect very predictably.’ In a patrichary… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

Asd you take that risk when you teach someone to dance

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“Alpha – controlls environment
Beta – is controlled by the environment”

Ergo, the only people who can White Knight for Betas are Alphas.

You are terrified of masculinity. You lack the tools.

Albert
3 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@kfg I am terrified by my will to power

pinelero
pinelero
3 years ago

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=good+will+hunting+scene+picking+up+the+girls&view=detail&mid=4C7F5A233F7FD95F9B1A4C7F5A233F7FD95F9B1A&FORM=VIRE

An Albert field report; I see him as the antithesis. of Will from the movie “Good Will Hunting”, and equally so successful with the ladies.

Albert
3 years ago

@pinelero

Is my notch count important when the choice is between?

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/09/29/somalia-or-sweden/

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

Albert B

Gender: transgender women that after prolonged struggle has accepted his (my preferred pronoun) physical form. Ethnicity: Kekistanian refugee, due to the prolonged discrimination Kekistanian people face within western hetero normative patrichary.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Albert, a man is not always able to control his environment. Read Solzhenitsyn, or any of the POW accounts from WW II. But as Victor Frankl made clear by example, a man can always control how he reacts to his environment.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Albert

Is my notch count important when the choice is between?
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/09/29/somalia-or-sweden/

https://infogalactic.com/info/False_dichotomy

Albert
3 years ago

AT that’s where stoicism comes in. Let’s add Roman tradition as well as a western alongside prussian work ethic.

So why bring it up? If it s a false dichotomy in the first place?

Albert
3 years ago

Ok you guys want a field report here is one.

That ‘accepting my physical form’ I used that whilst applying for female only scholarships. In their regulations it stated that it said you can only not apply if you are male. And since I identify as a women

I said I am of neutral gender and appealed that they shouldn’t discriminate against me like all these other poor women (my passport supposedly said I am neutral gender)

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2015/jun/22/four-myths-about-why-women-arent-getting-the-top-jobs-in-universities?CMP=new_1194&CMP=

I was send the paperwork. However they wanted the signature of my supervisor. That’s when I stopped replying.

Albert
3 years ago

Ok you guys want a field report here is one. That ‘accepting my physical form’ I used that whilst applying for female only scholarships. In their regulations it stated that it said you can only not apply if you are male. And since I identify as a women I said I am of neutral gender and appealed that they shouldn’t discriminate against me like all these other poor women (my passport supposedly said I am neutral gender) https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2015/jun/22/four-myths-about-why-women-arent-getting-the-top-jobs-in-universities?CMP=new_1194&CMP= I was send the paperwork. However they wanted the signature of my supervisor. That’s when I stopped replying. Here is the email… Read more »

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

@KFG Thanks again for responding and sharing I’m with you, and I think we’ve been reading much of the same stuff… Jung, Rollo, now Peterson, etc. have been more than regular visitors in my studies. And just like you and quite a few of us here… I “knew” all this before walking into Briffaults Law, explication of AF/BB, etc. What I specifically didn’t realize is that women are incapable of understanding our needs/sacrifices etc. I thought I was going to find a woman who “just gets it.” Still recovering, still working on it. I’ll try to keep you guys posted… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago
Albert
3 years ago
Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Just for Albert. Because.

Albert
3 years ago

@rubgy11 I am unsure how the white knighting impulse (for women or men) is related to the will to power. But its undeniably a powerful instinct.

Furthermore, if you read/watch these equality self congratulatory blogs/videos it’s very often men doing these types of heroic actions (often unsolicitated).

https://youtu.be/188pRYm3ANw

Albert
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOb-EjyXRPQ He spoke to me at a bar He was drunk and he smelled of sweat He said, “Boy, listen to me There is something I know better Emancipation is a fitting reward For the softened male population But you can trust me, between men and women Is there a difference which is quite immense. ” And what I then heard, which totally shocked me To give it back, I almost lack the power He said, “Sometimes, but sometimes Women like a little bit Sometimes, but only sometimes Do women like a little bit ” I said, “Leave me alone,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Rollo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=s3WwQkItiUM

I’m sure you will have some comments…

The women of Tinder are on a mission to make calling out douchebags easy and fun. Introducing Tinder Reactions—because reactions speak louder than words.

No lie, would hate bang Whitney Cummmmmmings. But dammit that is what she would love! Hypergamy cannot be beaten!

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQA57q_akYw

“To be dangerous, charming and funny…”

and Favreau on Authenticity…

pinelero
pinelero
3 years ago

Sentient – I think those are supposed to be a joke, but obviously a male disparaging joke. If you don’t like them, then just go to the U-tube and report them as offensive.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

There needs to be a movement for males to discourage other males from utilizing social dating apps and sites. I’m talking strong discouragement. I’ll say it again, social media outside of marketing businesses is basically for women now. Abandon ship. Lately I’ve been noticing a plethora of football players being shamed for approaching hoe’s in their DM’s, with the messages being made embarrassingly public. Same holds true for chicks banging them, waiting until the man falls asleep due to drained balls, and then having a ” selfie ” snapped by the chick with him snoring away behind her. Tsk, tsk,… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

The menporvement movement is the same old female female solipsism that is inherent in, just on a societal wide level https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Are_Little_Boys_Made_Of%3F @palmsailor Tinder does work, but the ROI is awful. When I was using it active i used 3 dating apps like tinder. 10 messages every day on each app. Out of these I would get 10 phone numbers a week, out of these maybe 3 or 4 dates would materialize, out of which one was willing to have sex with you. Now this the female attraction side, the hotter women you want to bang, the higher this ratio becomes… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Palma I’m not a user. If you want to see top notch Tinder game check out Kant’s guide over at sedfast. Kant was in NYC near Columbia and honed his approach to bang 2 or more new girls a week. His notch count went from 20 to over 100 in less than a year. I recall one month 20 new bangs. His approach was hook on Tinder, pitch meet at local bar by his apt, have one drink, say let’s go drink cheaper i live next door, go to bodega buy a couple beers, head up to his room, his… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Pinelero

Yeah they are jokes – but at whose expense? They are also Tinder official paid ads that will pop in your youtube window.

Albert
3 years ago

“His approach was hook on Tinder, pitch meet at local bar by his apt, have one drink, say let’s go drink cheaper i live next door, go to bodega buy a couple beers, head up to his room, his room was all set to go, he pressed play on his pc, nowhere to sit except the bed, have half a beer and escalate to bag.” Had a similar strategy, what I would do is rotate 2 or 3 bars before the ‘wanna come back to my place’. The reason is, by bar 3 you have established. Furthermore, if this is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

For those interested in Kant’s guide I’ve seen a lot of posts about Tinder lately and got a couple of PMs asking for advice, so I thought I’d make a thread about this. I’ve banged maybe twenty girls from tinder first night and this is how I do it. In my experience most of the 18 year old turbo hotties are there to attention whore and will disappear as soon as you pitch the meetup. I did bang one 19 year old but we happened to have friends in common. 20-24 year olds WILL meet you and fuck you as… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

@palm “So 1/200 swipes to bang? 0.5% That is truly awful.” I think if we would go by swipes that ratio would be even higher. It all depends on how “hawt” you are. If your Leonardo DiCaprio i would imagine your ratio is a lot better. “Imagine on the other side women are rejecting 99.5% of ‘advances’ presumably as they feel the men are ‘sub par’. Their default position though is that men should be shamed?” Thats where the perception of female scarcity comes from, that allows the female fantasy to maintain her view on reality that “guys are just… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

I vehemently disagree that eggs are special or expensive. That’s another blue pill vestige that must die a horrible death. Eggs are useless and will spill out in pools of blood monthly without sperm. A ” pussy ” has no earthly purpose without a man ( or men ). If eggs are so goddamn special and expensive, why do women’s bodies expel them every 24-28 days if they fail to get them fertilised?? No. Reproduction is a 50/50 proposition. Full stop. Chicks get 400-500 eggs ( and that’s generous ) and I’ll produce billions of swimmers. The number of broads… Read more »

pinelero
pinelero
3 years ago

“I vehemently disagree that eggs are special or expensive. That’s another blue pill vestige that must die a horrible death.”

In our modern world of medicine giving us low infant mortality rates we actually have a glut of uterine capacity. We simply don’t need this excess reproductive capacity. Nice to have for a back up, but not something to be prized at all anymore.

Albert
3 years ago

Blax, perception wise you are right (now we have to seperate between causality and psychology in our understanding) There is nothing that makes an egg or a sperm expensive or cheap, as you say. It’s the market forces that underly this that do this. Why is gold worth more than iron? It’s supply and demand, same with eggs and sperm. It’s a biological reality that the sex drive in men is greater than in women AND that the female is far more considerate with her mating behaviours (human female are choosy maters). Well this is just a manifestation that eggs… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

@Palm ” I think I’m concluding is that the medium is distorting the market”

Just like other technologies as: push up bras, red lip stick, high heels, silicon implants etc. Etc.

What tinder does, it creates the potential for the man to become the selector. How?

You match with 100 ppl (female selection)
No from these YOU select 10 (male selection).

Even if the 9 others reject you, you have still ‘chosen’ no. 10 (even of it was by default).

theasdgamer
3 years ago

eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Its the same 80 20 ratio it has always been

Distribution Fallacy…alpha sperm > eggs > beta sperm…

People often think that, because eggs are less numerous than alpha sperm, they are more valuable…they forget the demand side of the equation…when an alpha is in play, all the girls are chasing him…demand for any alpha > demand for any girl

Albert
3 years ago

@asd see post above

The difference comes in perception and biological cost of producing egg and sperm cells. The same goes for protecting women and the men being disposable

https://youtu.be/br8KtroS-40

Both members of the human species have their particular difficulties within the sexual market place. However, the feminists only focus on the female side and the MRA types only focus on the male side.

The disconnect comes in, when one side of the story is elevated to become the WHOLE story, than it becomes ideological rad fems or MGTOWs

Albert
3 years ago

@Palm haha I love your analogy “Fishing with a handgrande” That’s exactly what you are doing, in fact that’s the shotgun approach Rollo writes about, just applied to the medium of Tinder. “Which obscurely might lead back to tinder allowing men to become the selectors but that doesn’t seem quite the right term for what is happening here.” Tinder gives you the tools, however this dosent mean you will be a good cook. For you to know how to utilise this competitive advantage that you can create, you have to know what your looking for. Using a computer to play… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

@palm, I am a lot younger than you are, only recently pasted the 30. However, your own age is only one data point. If you have enough matches you still can recognize Rollos schedule of mating he plotted out in his preventive medicine series https://therationalmale.com/2014/03/16/preventative-medicine-part-i/ I have long played with the idea of this time line should be illustrated with screenshots of women in different phases. If you get 50+ screenshots of women who are archetypical of the “party girl phase”, the “whiley coyote moment before they hit the wall”, the “post wall hamster phase” and the “menopausal sexually liberated… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Amen.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Damn it Albert…

The ” amen ” was to palma.

Albert
3 years ago

@blax I know that you wont agree with me, even if its just out of principle. I dont take it personal.

I still think of you as a fellow brother a fellow man, that is has an interesting perception on your particular bad uncle situation. How you decided to “walk your talk” in your way, that is something I can respect, but it does not mean I think your always correct.

Amen to palm as well

theasdgamer
3 years ago

@Albert

The same goes for protecting women and the men being disposable

You’re doubling down on Blue Pill thinking.

Who is the most protected? Heads of state…male celebrities.

Cost of production is irrelevant to final value.

Alpha > women > beta

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

@ Palma “I do the 3 bar thing

It short circuits the hamster to think it’s had 3 separate dates and so a FNL is just a matter of logistics usually”

What’s this?

theasdgamer
3 years ago

For optimal mating (fertilization of eggs), men should copulate once every 36 hours. This means about 240 women per year can be impregnated by one man.

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

@asd

Alpha>women>beta

Of course that’s true. That’s the generator of Apex Fallacy

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

And Apex Fallacy is the generator of women’s inability to care for men in general.

Whenever I mention the idea of Male Hierarchy or the significance of male variability, most people simply blink (More than half the men, all the women).

I don’t bring it up unless absolutely necessary when people are speaking the typical modern culture gibberish.

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

@kfg

what happened to Forge the Sky?

And I just read through your longish post to me again. Again agree… the Shadow stuff is Peterson channeling Jung, of course.

Did you two stay together, btw? We have not, though living nearly right next to each other, for now.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

@Markos: “what happened to Forge the Sky?”

Non-virtual life has been keeping him busy.

“And I just read through your longish post . . .”

I wrote a longish post?

“Did you two stay together, btw?”

Still a bit lost and needing of clarification.

Albert
3 years ago

@Markos

I vaguely recall Rollo mentioning in some intervirw something about:

‘The answer to what women find attractive is, who cares?’

It’s a funny little soubdbite, however it does reveal that female attraction is mediated by male dominance hirachies. They just pick from the top and then invent rationale why they always end up with the ‘assholes’.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

@Markos:

Ah. Search fu reveals that were referring to SJF, not me

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

@kfg Apologies for being confusing. Are you still married/with the mother of your son? The longish post was on how men and women are complementary with parenting, disciplinary love mixed with unconditional love. You mentioned shadow sides of the boy, how the father must lead by example. I’ve been especially aware of this for all my years as a father, and likely for a bit beforehand.. Our relationship blew up when ex- would blow through our parental agreements regarding screen-time, food, toys, etc., and I lost frame (anger). After losing whatever tenuous control of the family narrative I may have… Read more »

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago

Ugh sorry, above post to @ SJF!

Thanks KFG.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

@ palma

We’re in agreement. That’s why I support teaching young men not to be suckers from a very young age.

Albert
3 years ago

Ok guys, I have printed out all glorious 257 pages worth of the 523 comments of this thread I have transcribed. There are now more comments, but I have to draw the line somewhere. https://imgur.com/a/SiYUI Tomorrow, I will be moving countries and going for a week moose hunting. If I have time in the evenings I will do a bit of data analysis, otherwise I will have to space it out between now and the end of October. Anyway, I wish you all well and in case anyone wants to validate my coding all the links are available within this… Read more »

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

@Markos “Did you two stay together, btw?” Yes we did and are still parenting in a complementary fashion, and the children are adults. (As an aside: We had lots of resources. And we had complementary personality styles in addition to complementary parenting styles. And we got lucky. And I got more masterful starting four years ago. And I got saved by red pill and game. ) In addition to J.B. Peterson, Dr. Laura Schlessinger talks a lot about the complementary but different styles of parenting that father’s and mother should take. She’s Red Pill, but advocates more for the sisterhood… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
3 years ago

@Albert

That was an impressive volume of fire. Send a picture of the moose when you come back.

Words from Albert in 4,3,2,1…

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
3 years ago

@blaximus I may have missed something like a posted video or picture, but I believe that calling theasdgamer out as race baiting is missing the point. There are a lot of red pills to swallow. One of them is that all relationships have “fault lines” the more there are, the more fragile a relationship may be: race, sex, religion, philosophy, financial status, social status, gender orientation, etc. Past a certain level of stress in one or more dimensions, cracks appear. The same is true in inter-group relations. If a hateful mob decides to make an example of a person who… Read more »

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

@If-I-Fell You make a good point. But I don’t think it has to do with where the “fault lines” are. It is paradoxical, but I don’t think the fault lines fall along: “race, sex, religion, philosophy, financial status, social status, gender orientation”. They fall along who you resonate with. If you resonate with someone despite any of those nouns, you can form a tribe. And none of them matter if the tribe can be formed. Sure it’s easier if they fall into your noun, but it isn’t a requirement, despite the fact that factions can be deterministic. I’ve had the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago

On point

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

@ If I Fell Nah. I’m a son of the south, and I’m 56 years old. I know when I’m being bated consistently. I spoke up only after months and months of it. No red pill involved, just good old fashioned shit talking that the sphere seems to be rife with imo. Just like men get tired of always hearing about the bad, negative stuff and the constant smearing of all men being one certain way, with bullshit facts and figures to bolster the argument at hand, I get tired of hearing ” blacks do..” When I’m talking about something… Read more »

Markos Beers
Markos Beers
3 years ago


Thanks for all that. Sounds like you’ve earned all the good stuff going for you and your family…

Now I’m off to field reports for some tweaking of my single-father game…

dr zipper
dr zipper
3 years ago

“Peer review was created, rather than always existing in the humanities; its rhetorical adoption in those fields as a core term may be less connected to eternal ideas of scholarship, and have more to do with the effort to make them more like the sciences in the postwar university. Be skeptical of the administrative-ese, buzzword-inflected vogue for the digital humanities all you want: but also, be aware that if you say “peer review is fundamental to sound scholarship,” you’re speaking in the buzzwords of not long ago, yourself.”

http://sappingattention.blogspot.com/2017/09/peer-review-is-younger-than-you-think.html

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago
Albert
3 years ago

@ Asd, Blax, Dr.zipper, Kfg, Markos Beers, OscarC, Lost Patrol, palmasailor , Rollo, rugby11, SFJ, Stuffinbox, Yollo Comanche and everyone else interested As promised here is my data analysis of the comments on the “Lie of Equality” where I analyze the moral economy of this blog. Sorry, that it took a little longer than I hoped, but I was only to go through the comments in the evening after my writing for my PhD. The analysis can be found here: htt ps://docs.google.com/document/d/1R-pSQq0Lxc6E0KwYExsqxVIs_4ZerRgwSmBFcqnxHWY/edit?usp=sharing If anyone want to check my coding a summary of the all the data material can be found… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

the embedded link didn’t work…

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moose hunt Sweden 2017

Arch Hades
Arch Hades
3 years ago

Ok, there is functional inequality..i get that. Some people can run faster, do complex math better, sell products better, etc..than others can.

However, if you can do those things better that doesn’t necessarily mean you are more valuable. As All values are subjective. Values are philosophical presuppositions. There are no universal values, there is no cosmic value. This is the same bullshit the world’s greatest religions have always claimed, that they know the mind of god.

Sorry to rain on your parade but your values are your own.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“As All values are subjective. Values are philosophical presuppositions.” OK. “However, if you can do those things better that doesn’t necessarily mean you are more valuable.” That is a philosophical supposition, one that has its roots in religious concepts of universal value of the soul. Empirically if you can’t pull your weight in producing food, the rest of us in the group have to pull it for you if you are to live. Basically your argument is a demand for a free ride at other’s expense, because . . . reasons. So, the central committee has decided that you are… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

@Arch Hades Even if personal values may appear subjective, there is a performative dimension to enacting values that are constraint by the environment (wishing you can fly will not make it so), the tribe (try groping all the ladies and see how far you come) or you own body (try living of air). In analogy, each individual football player may have their personal wishes and desires; however we can only talk of the ‘game’ of football if ALL players behave according to the rules of the game (i.e. common value structure). The referee’s role is to enforce discipline (i.e. the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago
Albert
3 years ago

@rugby11

It’s the same old worship of the ‘golden vagina’ and religious zeal it has always been. Only difference today is we do this reinforced by social media in out little rat utopia

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/769184752358924298

Arch Hades
Arch Hades
3 years ago

“That is a philosophical supposition, one that has its roots in religious concepts of universal value of the soul.” My supposition is that all values are subjective or cosmically trivial. I didn’t necessarily say that all humans are of universal value. Personally i’m a misanthrope that finds little value in most people. But anyway There is no truth to the statement that they are or aren’t! Neither person is ‘right’. “Empirically if you can’t pull your weight in producing food, the rest of us in the group have to pull it for you if you are to live. Basically your… Read more »

bur40win
bur40win
3 years ago

Claim: feminists are “more evolved”.

Let’s examine what actually happens in “evolution”:

Evolution consists of a multitude of random mutations from the norm. Most mutations are harmful for survival, typically leading to disease and cancer. Extremely rarely, a mutation leads to a survival benefit.

Most cultural changes are simply mutations. A cultural change doesn’t become an evolution until it proves its survival fitness over a number of generations. Any mutation that significantly decreases the survival fitness is by definition a disease. The most basic survival fitness is rate of reproduction (feminists and their offspring are way below replacement).

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“The most basic survival fitness is rate of reproduction (feminists and their offspring are way below replacement).”

Now all you have to do is demonstrate that ideologies reproduce biologically as a dominant trait.

Albert
3 years ago

@bur40win “Most cultural changes are simply mutations. A cultural change doesn’t become an evolution until it proves its survival fitness over a number of generations. Any mutation that significantly decreases the survival fitness is by definition a disease. The most basic survival fitness is rate of reproduction (feminists and their offspring are way below replacement).” It’s a great heuristic to apply a memetic understanding to the evolution of cultures, however if you fail to outline what the mechanisms of the knowledge transfer is all you are doing is sophistry, transposing your own value judgment into the cultural realm. I happen… Read more »

bur40win
bur40win
3 years ago

@Albert The mechanism of knowledge transfer isn’t important when determining whether the ideology reduces the raw fitness of a group that the ideology affects. We don’t need to know how AIDS spreads to know that AIDS will kill you. It helps to understand why, though. Just knowing that it will kill you (or reduce your fertility) is enough to determine that it is likely detrimental to your biological evolutionary fitness. We often get prideful thinking we don’t follow the exact same evolutionary pressures as all other biological organisms – reproduce at least as much as we die. But a “culture”… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

@bur40win “Just knowing that it will kill you (or reduce your fertility) is enough to determine that it is likely detrimental to your biological evolutionary fitness.” Yes, however my point still stands. Without understanding the mechanisms of how knowlegde accumulates you cannot make these judgments. In analogy, complete removal from pategoense will lower your fitness as well. As such knowing that one pategoen is deadly, does tell you little on how the organism interacts with the environment. However, making sweaping statements that all pategoens are bad is a simplification. ht tps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis Similarly, I am sure you know how vaccines work.… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

“One dog is not as valuable as another depending on what determines a positive outcome.”

WRT capabilty, excluding childbirth, men are better, more creative, productive in the whole, be it in the kitchen, as tailors, health care workers, food gatherers…generally female endeavors.

Albert
3 years ago

I promised to write a summary of this blog post exchange so here it is. The entire text is referenced and these can be found here: https://www.minds.com/rb00300/blog/the-fall-of-enlightenment-values-785595952109985794 The Fall of Enlightenment Values Whilst waiting for feedback for my PhD thesis on scientific knowledge production I engaged in a discussion on the rationale male blogpost ‘the lie of equality’. The below outline, can be seen as a summary of my argument that I tried to articulate over 400+ comments. Anyway, here it goes: Here is me trying to sketch the biological, psychological and historical causality of why I think the Enlightenment… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

PAYING THE PRICE FOR QUESTIONING THE INEFFABLE The problem that arises with pointing out these dynamics professionally is that you will potentially destroy your career. Here is a short list of individuals that we know about, the thousands of others that are ‘simply’ let go, due to HR departments choices we will never know. Questioning gender dynamics is highly politicised. Furthermore, this phenomena is slowly spreading to other academic disciplines as the male/female ration is increased productivity and intellectual freedom are the first victims. It seems quite clear to me that there is a price to pay for questioning the… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

THE COLLECTIVE DELUSION OF OUR TIME The reason for this pessimism is that I see the above mentioned patterns of criticising the ineffable value assumptions of our time. In that “all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others” and now this borderline religious zealotry is institutionally reinforced within academia, within politics, within the public sector and even the churches. When I mentioned this aspect during the interviews for my PhD thesis all the academics started to get very uncomfortable, it’s like we all know that the emperor has no cloth but no one dares to speak… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

THE RECOURSE TO VIOLENCE AS THE VICTIM NARRATIVE IS FALLING APART I am basing my conclusions on the holistic experience I have had growing up as man in Europe, living in three different countries and having travelled extensively. I have by now literally, talked to hundreds and hundreds of men and women about sexual dynamics (tinder is a wonderful tool, if you use it to gather information and 1000+ matches does give you a few insights, as well talking to the men that match with the women you date). Today’s religious sentiments are no longer tolerated on campus, however we… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

Post script This was included in my PhD thesis review which became 116 pages long (for my thesis which is 210). Furthermore, I outlined all my references. All which I had personally read, merely used as point of references or know enough about them to adequately quote them. In total, it became 16 pages of references. Here is a scary thought, sociologically it doesn’t really matter if the majority of attractive alpha men self segregate or become very selective in their dating habits (MGTOW/PUA) or if they are dead. In both cases the result is that they are off the… Read more »

Albert
3 years ago

I ll post the finished article that is analyzing the moral economy of this thread, that was outlined by me here as well. However, I have a few things on my plate at the moment so I get it done once I have a little less to do.

In case people want to have a reminder, here is the data material

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1diCzjO8BATLC3Nw2IhZ_UiS991GKd452-3s2VUcA8Eo/edit?usp=sharing

My analysis and subsequent categorization

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R-pSQq0Lxc6E0KwYExsqxVIs_4ZerRgwSmBFcqnxHWY/edit?usp=sharing

As well as my first sketches for the article outline

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O4qXq5BF0tN5BOEIVDzSG9_RbshUdGMjpAAsrkVPyII/edit?usp=sharing

I ll keep my word

Chad
3 years ago

It is pretty clear that you think of equality as ‘adequacy’. Or somehow ‘equal-to-the-task’. This is easy to see in statements like : ====================== I don’t believe in equality [[[ Universally equal adequacy ]]] because I can objectively see that reality, our respective environments, our personal circumstances, etc. are all inherently unequal [[[situations either find each of us ADEQUATE to the task or they don’t ]]] . Everyday we encounter circumstances in life which we are eminently unequalled [[[ Found inadequate ]]] for in our ability to address them. Likewise, there are circumstances we can easily overcome without so much… Read more »

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