Reader KFG dropped this insight in last week’s post and I thought it was very relevant to something I’ve been contemplating for a while now:
As a general principle genetic fitness is always relative to the environment. A spread of genetic traits makes a species more robust, because it will have individuals better suited for survival in a greater range of environments.
There’s more than one breed of working dog because no one is “better.” Each has its specific strengths, paid for with corresponding weaknesses. A terrier is to small to hunt wolves, but you’re not going to stuff a wolfhound down a badger hole.
This was a great analogy. It’s also one of the primary reasons I believe the egalitarian equalist narrative is a deliberate lie with the hoped-for purpose of empowering people who cannot compete, or believe they have some plenary exclusion from competing in various aspects of life. One of the primary selling points of egalitarian equalism for men is the idea that they can be excluded from the Burden of Performance.
There is no such thing as ‘equality’ because life doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
The tests that a chaotic world throws at human beings is never equal or balanced in measure to our strengths to pass them. Equality, in the terms that egalitarian equalists are comfortable in defining it, implies that that every individual is equally matched in both value and utility within a totality of random challenges. Aside from this being patently false, it also demerits both strengths and weaknesses when that individual succeeds or fails at a particular challenge as a result of their individual character.
This is ironic in the sense that it provides easy, repeatable, excuses for a person’s successes or failures. If someone wins, well, we’re all equal so that person’s strengths which led to the success can be passed off as a result of assumed or circumstantial ‘privileges’ that made them better suited to their challenges – rarely is their hard work recognized, and even then, it’s colored by the overcoming of a presumed-unequal adversity that grants them ‘privilege’. If they fail, again, we’re all equal, so the failure is proof of a deficit, or a handicap, or a presumed repression of an equal person in a state of baseline equal challenge.
Individual Exceptionalism
One of the longest perpetuated cop outs (I should say paradoxes) that equalists cling to is the notion that People are People; that everyone is a unique individual (snowflake) and as such there is really no universally predictable method of testing character or knowing how a particular sex will respond to various challenges. It’s all random chance according to the individual’s socially constructed character and their capacity to be a ‘more evolved’, higher-thinking being.
On the surface this all-are-individuals notion may seem the antithesis of the ‘equality’ narrative that equalists cling to, but it is part of a cognitive dissonance all equalists struggle with. This approach is a means to standardizing individuality, so no scientific evidence that might find patterns of an evolved ‘nature’ of a person – or in our Red Pill case, a sex – can be predicted. It’s the hopeful cancellation of reams of empirical evidence that show how influential our biologies and inborn predispositions are. This ‘higher order’ individualism is always touted so the equailist mindset can claim that the exception to the rule disqualifies the overwhelmingly obvious general rule itself.
“We’re all exceptions to the rule.” – Carl Jung
“…and when we’re all special, no one will be.” – Syndrome
This fallacy is where we get the NA*ALT (not all ____ are like that) absolution of the most unflattering parts of human nature. Not All Women Are Like That is standard feminine-primary boilerplate for women and sympathizing men (White Knights) who’d rather we all ignore the aspects of female nature that shine a bad light on what are easily observable truths about their behavior and the motives behind them. The social convention relies on the idea that if there is even one individual contradiction to the generalization (always deemed an ‘overgeneralization’) then the whole idea must be wrong.
Of course, this individual exceptionality rule only applies to the concepts in which equalists have invested their egos in. When a generality proves an equalist’s ego-investment, that’s when it becomes an ‘endemic’ universal truth to their mindset. A binary over-exaggeration of this effect is the reflexive response for concepts that challenge their ego-investments. Thus, we see any and all of the (perceptually) negative aspects of masculinity (actually the totality of masculinity) painted as evidence of the endemic of ‘toxic’ masculinity as a whole. The individualist exceptionality in this instance is always ridiculed as ‘insecurity’ on the part of men even considering it.
The exceptionalism of the individual is always paired with some high-order consciousness, and/or the idea that anything that proves their ego-investment is “more evolved” – despite any evidence that proves the contrary – is proof of that this individual is a being who represents some evolutionary step forward. If you agree and support feminine-primacy it is ‘proof‘ that you are more ‘evolved’ than other men. Thus, the ‘more evolved’ status becomes a form of reward to the individual who aligns with the ideology. Conversely, the avoidance of being perceived as ‘unevolved’ serves as a form of negative reinforcement.
This is kind of ironic when you consider that the same equalist mindset that relies on the individualist exception is the same mindset that insists that everyone is the same; equal value, equal potential, equal purpose and equal ability. Again, the irony is that everything that would be used to establish the ‘unique snowflake’ ideology (so long as it contradicts innate strengths and weaknesses of an opposing ideology) is conveniently ignored in favor of blank-slate egalitarianism. There is a degree of wanting to avoid determinism (particularly biological determinism) for the individual in this blank-slate concept, but it also provides the equalist with a degree of feel-good affirmation that the individual is a product of social constructivism. So, we get the idea that gender is a social construct and, furthermore, that blank-slate individual is ‘more evolved’ to the point of redefining gender for themselves altogether. Even when that ‘individual’ is only 4 years old and hasn’t the capacity for abstract thought enough to make a determination.
To be an egalitarian equalist is to accept the cognitive dissonance that the individual trumps the general truth and yet simultaneously accept that the individual is just the blank-slate template of anyone else, thus negating the idea of the individual. It takes great stretches of belief to adhere to egalitarian if-then logic.
I apologize for getting into some heady stuff right out the gate here, but I think it’s vitally important that Red Pill aware men realize the self-conflicting flaw in the ideologies of post-modern equalism. Our feminine-primary social order is rife with it. They will disqualify the generalities of Red Pill awareness with individualist exceptionalism and in the next breath disqualify that premise with their investments in blank-slate egalitarianism.
This is easiest to see in Blue Pill conditioned men and women still plugged in to the Matrix, but I also see the same self-conflicting rationales among Red Pill aware men using the same process to justify personal ideology or their inability to de-pedestalize women on whole. There’s a common thread amongst well-meaning Red Pill men to want to defend the individual natures of women who align with the Blue Pill ego-investments they still cling to. All women are like that so long as those women are granola-eating, furry-armpit feminists – ‘Red Pill Women’ then become the individual (snowflake) exceptions to the otherwise general rule because they fit a different, idealized, profile.
The Inequality of Equality
I’ve stated this in many prior threads, but, I do not believe in “equality”.
I don’t believe in equality because I can objectively see that reality, our respective environments, our personal circumstances, etc. are all inherently unequal. Everyday we encounter circumstances in life which we are eminently unequalled for in our ability to address them. Likewise, there are circumstances we can easily overcome without so much as an afterthought. Whether these challenges demand or test our physical, mental, material or even spiritual capacities, the condition is the same – reality is inherently chaotic, unfair and challenging by order of degree. To presume that all individuals have equal value in light of the nature of reality is, itself, an unequal presumption. To expect sameness in the degree of competency or incompetency to meet any given challenge reality throws at us is a form of inequality. And it’s just this inequality that equalists ironically exploit.
As KFG was stating, “each dog has it’s strengths for a given task”. One dog is not as valuable as another depending on what determines a positive outcome. What equalism attempts do to – what it has the ludicrous audacity to presume – is to alter reality to fit the needs of the individual in order to make all individuals equally valuable agents. This is the ‘participation trophy’ mentality, but it is also a glaring disregard for existential reality. Which, again, contradicts the idea of individual exceptionalism; reality must be made to be equal to accommodate the existence of the equally valuable individual.
To say you don’t believe in equality is only outrageous because it offends the predominant social narrative of today. It seemingly denies the inherent value of the individual, but what is conveniently never addressed is how an environment, condition and state defines what is functionally valued for any given instance. Like the dog bred to hunt ferrets out of their warrens is not the functional equal of a dog bred to run down prey at 45 MPH. The value of the individual is only relevant to the function demanded of it.
The default misunderstanding (actually deliberate) most equalists believe is that functional worth is personal worth. I addressed this in Separating Values:
When you attempt to quantify any aspect of human ‘value’ you can expect to have your interpretations of it to be offensive to various people on the up or down side of that estimate. There is simply no escaping personal bias and the offense that comes from having one’s self-worth attacked, or even confirmed for them.
The first criticism I’ve come to expect is usually some variation about how evaluating a person’s SMV is “dehumanizing”, people are people, and have intrinsic worth beyond just the sexual. To which I’ll emphatically agree, however, this dismissal only conveniently sidesteps the realities of the sexual marketplace.
Again, sexual market value is not personal value. Personal value, your value as a human being however one subjectively defines that, is a definite component to sexual market value, but separating the two requires an often uncomfortable amount of self-analysis. And, as in Ms. Korth’s experience here, this often results in denial of very real circumstances, as well as a necessary, ego-preserving, cognitive dissonance from that reality.
Denial of sexual market valuation is a psychological insurance against women losing their controlling, sexual agency in their hypergamous choices.
This is where the appeal to emotion begins for the equalist mindset. It seems dehumanizing to even consider an individuals functional value. Human’s capacity to learn and train and practice to become proficient or excel in various functions is truly a marvel of our evolution. Brain plasticity being what it is, makes our potential for learning and overcoming our environments what separates us from other animals. We all have the potential to be more than we are in functional value, and this is the root of the emotional appeal of equalists. It’s seems so negative to presume we aren’t functional equals because we have the capacity and potential to become more functionally valuable. The appeal is one of optimism.
What this appeal ignores is the functional value of an individual in the now; the two dogs bred for different purposes. What this appeal also ignores is the ever-changing nature of reality and the challenges it presents to an individual in the now and how this defines value. What equalism cannot do is separate functional value from potential value.
Adopting a mindset that accepts complementarity between the sexes and between individuals, one that celebrates and utilizes innate strengths and talents, yet also embraces the weaknesses and compensates for them is a far healthier one that presuming baseline equivalency. Understanding the efficacy of applying strengths to weaknesses cooperatively while acknowledging we all aren’t the same damn dog will be a key to dissolving the fantasy of egalitarian equalism and create a more balanced and healthier relations between the sexes. Embracing the fact that condition, environment, reality and the challenges they pose defines our usefulness is far better than to assume any single individual could ever be a self-contained, self-sufficient island unto themselves – that is what equalism would have us believe.
this is not a gender issue at all and yet this smart one is compelled to take that angle, probably just to get the clicks:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-41444682
her tepid advice is equally applicable to the majority of men but unless it’s framed as ‘us vs them’ then there’d be no controversy and without that, what little reason there might be to listen to her is also removed
no attention = one sad whore
https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/914907464931438593
@Dr. Zipper ‘probably just to get the clicks’ That’s not necessarily a bad thing for a title to achive I went ahead and organised the references according to the subsection. When you post could you please indicate to what subsection the point is made and how it relates to the RQ, RO, and knowlegde gap. (E.g. METHOD http://www...) INTRODUCTION h ttp://journals. __ ____ sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/007327539102900401?journalC__ ____ ode=hosa h ttps://en.m.wikiped__ ____ ia.org/wiki/The_Postmodern_Condition h ttps://philosophyno__ ____ w.org/issues/58/The_Death_of_Postmodernism_And_Beyond h ttps://fee.org/articles/im__ ____ f-head-predicts-the-end-of-ba nking-and-the-triumph-of-cryptocurrency/ h ttp://www.bbc.co m/news/world-41444682 h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/w__ ____ iki/Mertonian_norms h ttps://youtu.b e/uQ1JeII0eGo h ttps://en.m.wikipedia.__ ____ org/wiki/Bogdanov_affair h ttps://youtu.b e/jGe5SDgsHtU h ttps://youtu.b e/JgPjsBperwM h… Read more »
Albert
AR so your just another ”A Random Guy’ and leave it to other people, I have heard this story before
How much are you willing to pay for the work that you demand?
Real expertise, real ability to engage in replicable research doesn’t come cheap, especially when the demand is wrapped up in arrogance.
You really have very poor social skills. Sincerely urge you to never attempt teaching at any level.
Sam Botta quoting Rollo
My daughter informed me that one of her friends and her mother were killed in Vegas
Terrible stuff.
nope albert, I’m here to learn, not teach; you just got lucky, that’s all
oops, clicked ‘Post’ too soon….
and by lucky I mean you’ve garnered more attention than deserved and I’ve contributed to that as well; but no more until you’ve learned your place here…. next to me in the classroom, not at the lectern
you had your chance and blew it, now sit down and shut up
@dr. zipper lucky whit what? @AR “You ask for a lot of free work from other men, yet ” I know how much is involved in publishing an academic article (I have one currently under peer review and four published). My biggest problems, as anyone who would want to care to dig through these 400+ comments will find out, my problem is to be organized and structred. “it is obvious you have not yet bothered to do the literature search required for proper research. You do not know really what you are asking for, and you do not know that… Read more »
“The work is original as it is produced with the ‘labrats’, that gradually accepted the author into their dominance hierarchy”
I believe that the rule is that you have to say it one more time to make it true.
Albert I think the peer review of SSS (http://journals.sagepub.com/home/sss) could be used to fulfill three objectives: What does “peer review” even mean, Albert? Seriously, who is a “peer” entitled to “review” the paper that Rollo wrote on hypergamy called “War Brides”? Nobody in the social “sciences”, that is certain, and anyone with the right degree in psych wouldn’t touch it for fear of professional damage. Albert, suppose that someone had tried to publish a paper on thermodynamics back in the mid 19th century in the “Journal of Phlogistin”, and all the peer reviewers were experts on phlogistin, what would have… Read more »
kfg
I believe that the rule is that you have to say it one more time to make it true.
@dr. zipper “you had your chance and blew it, now sit down and shut up” Good work with the time frame, it is 00:45 on the 3rd of October here. “iii. Method The method represents a structured critical discourse analysis of all the comments that were left between the 27th of September 2017 to 3rd of October 2017. As well as an auto-ethnography of the authors own perceptions, as well as users of the online blog The Rational Male.” Do I have your permission to use these 400+ blog post as data material? I thank you all for your participation… Read more »
@AR this article inspired the whole thing, it got published
Hendriks, E. C. (2012). Ascetic Hedonism: self and sexual conquest in the seduction community. Cultural Analysis, 11, 1-16.
I’d love to read Albert’s method…”I got stoned and drunk and posted the following…”
asd – hey that’s MY method… I guess he’ll have to cite me again lol
@asd The author was a follower of The Rational Male since October 2014. He was made aware of the blogs existence through a university friend, who gave him the physical book version of The Rational Male (2013). “Big [name retracted]” became a close personal friend, mentor and brother. Durring the procress of “unplugging” the author has since then read Preventive Medecine (2016) and Positive Masculinity (2017). Rollo Tomassi is [rollo bio] […] In order to celebrate the handing in of his first/final draft of his PhD thesis the author went on The Rational Male forum and the following 400+ and… Read more »
called it
https://goo.gl/images/t1Mf28
@AR this article inspired the whole thing, it got published Hendriks, E. C. (2012). Ascetic Hedonism: self and sexual conquest in the seduction community. Cultural Analysis, 11, 1-16. @Albert You are just trolling. The published article is just crap by an academic. Us homo-socials (relating to social interaction between members of the same sex, typically men.) don’t even come close to not thinking you are shitting on the Red Pill. Stop being the asshole in the tribe. That “published” article was just click-bait for the author to push an agenda. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283891759_The_Nerd_and_His_Discontent_The_Seduction_Community_and_the_Logic_of_the_Game_as_a_Geeky_Solution_to_the_Challenges_of_Young_Masculinity The Nerd and His Discontent: The Seduction Community and… Read more »
“the self-help industry, operating outside of formal education and state institutions, outflanks philosophical, religious and political elites who have their own visions of the Good Life”
And that is called pandering to the political climate in Peking. We all know what he is trying to do: Strip agency from men.
@SJF, I read the link you provided carefully tomorrow. My supervisor meeting is less than 12h, I need to cool off this mania…i am sorry if I wasn’t perceived to be condescending, it’s not my intention always. I ironic isn’t is this was one of my first comments #Albert September 22, 2017 at 4:06 pm “what if the developments we are observing within society are just the collective agglomeration of individual human beings unconsciously going after their biological determined desires? [I.e. mouse utopia where the move have smart phones and the internet] Can people bare this much truth? Of not… Read more »
Camille Paglia weighs in on Trump:
I instantly recognized and understood it in Trump because I had always been an admirer of Hefner’s sexual cosmos. I can certainly see how retrograde and nostalgic it is, but at the same time I maintain that even in the photos that The New York Times posted in trying to convict Trump of sexism, you can feel leaping from these pictures the intense sizzle of sexual polarization — in that long-ago time when men were men and women were women!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-hugh-hefners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769
@Albert
Clearly, Antifa is the way to go, then, to protect the world from Nazis.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hugh-hefner-embarrassed-trump-appeared-on-playboy-cover-son-says/article/2632508
I think that Albert hates weakness in men, yet he is afraid that strength in men may lead to fascism. Somehow the U.S. had strong men up through the ’50s, yet it avoided fascism. And I would say that Spain had a very benign form of authoritarianism under Franco and also avoided fascism.
Die gedanken sind frei.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/opinion/antifa-trump-charlottesville.html
“Arbeit macht frei … those words terrify me” Only if you are worried about a top down approach to solving your own agency. Obviously you have familial terrors from your parents. I don’t associate myself with weak men. And I don’t actually know many. But I live in a top end upper middle class community. I don’t know, but Work certainly Made Me Free. Really really free. I pursued my passions and pursuits and worked hard to pursue them. I’m feeling very free these days. Law #10 of the 48 Laws of Power (Agency) You can die from someone else’s… Read more »
” Clearly, Antifa is the way to go, then, to protect the world from Nazis.”
Supporting Nazis seems unpatriotic, lol. Didn’t the U.S. fight a war against them? Respect the military.
Well, Blax, you’ve proved that Cooper Hefner is a gossip…repeating something Hugh allegedly told him in confidence…indiscreet…kind of a feminine thing…I ignore gossips.
@blax, yes I am afraid of ‘strong men’ Füher types, for obvious reasons. But I have also experienced positive masculinity in my life.
https://youtu.be/YrbIcOwgfKU
I try to go to sleep now and find some rest let’s hope the ‘gedanken’ stay free… Europe does not protect free speech…
This time maybe the Fühererin will be the leader of the master race
Well, Blax, you claim to hold some right wing opinions and this makes you of the Right and this makes you a Nazi, because everyone of the Right is a Nazi. A black Nazi. Wish there was a gif for this, it would be hilarious.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-hugh-hefners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769
Lol, I hold opinions. Others try to classify them as ” right ” or ” left “.
Still, my opinions. No affiliations required ever.
http://replygif.net/i/856.gif
https://youtu.be/sAMfFeiFyKk
Other men are seeing it too, just talk to the MGTOWs…the winds are rising
AntiFA (anti-First Amentdment) is just the newest reincarnation of the SLA and other leftist terrorist groups. Their death toll is greater than the zero count cited in the above NY Times article. I hated the SLA when I lived in cali, and if they or their ilk are back I want them gone.
Shit, Blax, you’re barely nibbling.
@SJF, i wish i had the time, energy and mental capability to explain my reason more clearly, Its all there in those 400 comments, just all over the place… Like i said i write it up after Christmas and send it to you. Here is the translation, i think you knew already “auf gute freunde” meant. The tribe of “bad uncles” seems to transcend languages in their moral economy, actions speak louder than words. Boehse Onkelz – “To good friends” Spilled dreams Pictures from old days From the madness that I lived And what they say to me today I… Read more »
“Self Discipline is not Self-Supression”
I like this; is it yours?
meme-worthy lol
“Self Discipline is not Self-Supression”
if I could have had this tattooed on my ex’s inner eyelids, I wonder if she would have eventually figured out the irony of her rationalizations
The bad uncle is the uncle who gives you beer when you’re too young, takes you hunting, takes you to a bordello to become a man, lets you hold his guns, tells you about girls, etc.
I had an uncle who talked about his girls who were trying out for the traveling squad.
“Self Discipline is not Self-Supression” I like this; is it yours? meme-worthy lol Not hardly Dr. Zipper. All of my Red Pill and Game knowledge is derivative and curative. I steal like an artist. (Book by Austin Kleon) That line about self-discipline is not self suppression was derived from chapter 26 in David Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man”. It was written in the spirit of the fact that the masculine will Often Want More Than One Woman. But what a man chooses to do with that is his own choice. I greatly depends on your own temperament and… Read more »
Not all plastic surgeons are equal (not all of them are like “that”, either). Choose your butt-lifter with care. Be real particular whom you let near your wedding tackle – no matter how many Popsicle sticks you may have around the house.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article176571176.html
@SJF ‘I conquered the highest mountains, serached the deepest valleys, crossed the widest oceans, braved the driest desserts, weathered the hardest storms, hunted the biggest game trying to find to find ‘it’. Only to find out I had it all along’ [translated from German, so might not work as well in English] I have read Donovan, that’s where the dichthomoy of ‘good at being a man vs. good men’ comes from. The thing that stuck with me from that book was: “Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor are the alpha virtues of men all over the world. They are the fundamental… Read more »
Sorry guys but I just have to know.
Albert why does the alternative for Deutschland party symbol look like an erect red penis?
Pinelero What a group chooses to call itself is always beside any reasonable point. It’s always the actions that count. It is a weakness of men to constantly foment fear. It is however a very useful political tool. It is always sad when I witness men trying so hard to choose a side that they become partially blinded. Men must always be able to operate standalone. In the manosphere the constant chant is ” the left, the left the left the left, the left..”, to the point where during recent events there was very little outcry over people carrying Nazi… Read more »
Spell check doesn’t like antifa either. ” Antics ” above should read ” antifa “.
“1968 was a real thing.” in Chicago, by cops wearing swastikas, goose-stepping, and saying, “Heil Hitler”, lol…by blacks in Baltimore, NYC, and DC …in 1964, in my area, young black thugs/troublemakers were driving from the city into burbs…especially into my burbs…intending to cause trouble…it was nationally orchestrated and we’d seen race riots happen in the suburbs of a couple of other cities…the thugs were turned around by old white men wielding shotguns at a few intersections…nobody fired a shot and it was totally racist and totally justified and nobody was hurt The bad news is that the pool of men… Read more »
I’m starting to really tire of your constant race baiting.
It’s annoying and displays your fear and mental and physical weakness.
I don’t care to engage weak minded pseudo men, so I will ignore your infantile outbursts.
Pinelero
ASD is exhibit A Wrt what I was explaining to you.
Out.
@pinelero “Albert why does the alternative for Deutschland party symbol look like an erect red penis?” That’s simple, as it’s the only party left where you can find people with chest hair. All the other parties are for the Enlightend German men who buy sustainable food and wear cork sandals. @blax “It’s a game for bored people” I hear the term ‘bathrobe colleticivtst’ which made me giggle. However, you have a point, this time the problem is not starvation, depriviation or threat of force. This time it’s our own internernal propensities to ‘mix shit up’ just for ‘fun’ that is… Read more »
Love ya, Blax, you’re such a sensitive fella.
[…] If we all had a diamond at the moment of birth, or if diamonds grew on trees, then diamonds would be relatively worthless. In the same vein, if all men were of the same uber-intelligence, then intelligence would be less valued. Or if all men were uber-athletic, we wouldn’t pay NBA players the salaries we do today. All of those arise from scarcity. From inequality. […]
All people are capable of pretty much anything at all. It doesn’t matter if a man thinks or knows he’s capable of crushing another man’s skull or whatever, what matters is when he decides to actively crush skulls, real men of sounder minds step up and stop him from doing so.
The weaker of mind and body men become collectively, the more they are subject to the whims of the few skull crushers.
Nazis had a pretty good run until other men cleaned their clocks. That is how it should be.
@Anonymous Reader “How much are you willing to pay for the work that you demand?” I didn’t demand anything, I offered. Big difference “Real expertise, real ability to engage in replicable research doesn’t come cheap, especially when the demand is wrapped up in arrogance.” Being certain that your right, being convinced by your convictions does not have to come from arrogance. Was Peterson’s decision to stand up to C 69 arrogant? Is Nigel Farage, Marie Le Pen, Donald Trump etc. arrogant? “You really have very poor social skills. Sincerely urge you to never attempt teaching at any level.” So Mr.… Read more »
Blaximus
All people are capable of pretty much anything at all.
Yes. The 20th century is a massive example of that. This century suggests more of the same with different labels.
Blax, it looks like ASD lost his fidget spinner again and has latched onto trolling you as a substitute. It’s just how he is. Something shiny will distract him soon.
Albert @Anonymous Reader “How much are you willing to pay for the work that you demand?” I didn’t demand anything, I offered. Big difference Your “offer” was couched in an arrogant, demanding text. “Real expertise, real ability to engage in replicable research doesn’t come cheap, especially when the demand is wrapped up in arrogance.” Being certain that your right, being convinced by your convictions does not have to come from arrogance. Do you know the definition of “irony”? You are an example. Was Peterson’s decision to stand up to C 69 arrogant? Is Nigel Farage, Marie Le Pen, Donald Trump… Read more »
“So Mr. Armchair psychologist can give me diagnosis based on my social skills from an social experiment I did.”
As regards to your social skills, yes.
” I am not concerned with other people’s action. Would you stop someone shooting someone or just look away? It’s hard to answer such a question in the abstract. However my point is:”
I’d like to think that if it was possible, I would stop someone shooting someone, but this hasn’t been tested yet…. and I’m getting older and slower every year.
But I have stopped multiple attacks/muggings/robberies. I have a problem with innocent people being attacked or having to suffer under some rogue’s violence.
Yin and Yang.
Balance.
” Your whiggish understanding of history is just romanticism ”
Nothing whiggish or romantic about it.
And that wiki page is full of hot air laced with shit.
The mosf effective way of dealing with monsters is turning yourself into one.
Someone asked me to join the KKK, but really, I couldn’t give a sheet.
@AR “Your “offer” was couched in an arrogant, demanding text.” It was still an offer, the reason why I formulate it this way was to articulate that instead of ‘name calling on the internet’ YOU should do something constructive and i OFFERED to help. I did that with the invitaion to this blog as well, i formulated it as a challange to get the male game going The reason why you think it’s arrogant, is because it would require you to put your money where your mouth is Mr. “Anonymous Reader”. @balx “And that wiki page is full of hot… Read more »
Too busy living life to be here that much, just wanted to link this, something I picked up from here a few weeks ago.
http://therawness.com/AFP.pdf
The near-end on the three types of women and the last on being a “masculinist” distills a lot of… well… everything we’re all dealing with.
Be good, everyone.
@Albert: ” . . . all what you know about me could just be some big Turing test” We know, empirically. If you were a comment reader you would know too. It has even been suggested in the comments of this thread. But you are begging the question: https://infogalactic.com/info/Begging_the_question Because the Turing test is a test of . . . wait for it, wait for it . . . social skills. The first AI that came close to passing the Turing test was a model of a low function schizophrenic. The low social skills of schizophrenic behaviour masked the low… Read more »
“It’s all relative to the particular context in which you have chosen to interact . . .”
Insert your favorite facepalm meme here:
Albert you have not read the Anatomy of Female Power or maybe AI can’t decipher a PDF picture that can not be converted to OCR that Markos linked to.
What is interesting about AFP is the take on equalism: “These militant matriarchist, these “right-wing women” (as Andrea D. call them), disagree profoundly with the feminist picture of women’s lot. Some hold that women are “in a superior position, and that this superior position was not to be traded for an equal position. They opposed the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA – [USA]) because , if it was passed, “girls would have to go to war”, and ERA would force women “to take responsibility for decision making and for money”. One of them told Adrea D. that “pro-ERA women are ignorant… Read more »
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/915573138771124225
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/915430731169574912
https://twitter.com/Rich_Cooper/status/915293285421391872
Rollo
Respect for dropping your mask for 21C. Huge ballz.
More than a passing resemblance, non?
Pinelero, the AFP take on equalism reminds me of Esthar Vilar’s Manipulated Man more than a little. The female opponents to the ERA back in the 80’s were indeed determined not to lose their privileges.
@pinelero no I haven’t read the book. But what’s your point? For me in order to relate the information within that book we need structure. So could you please make your point AND point out how this is relevant to what I said before. Otherwise, I have put that book on my to read list. @kfg are we going to start like this again? If you want a reference just ask https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Rethinking_Expertise.html%3Fid%3DgQpmyyYPc4IC&ved=0ahUKEwiErrStq9fWAhVoAsAKHRxzBAMQFggvMAM&usg=AOvVaw3Cw0TCBHlxH3RpUrKed0My I think its chapter 4 “walking the talk”. Read the part of on the Turing experiment with gravitational wave people. @Marcos and everyone else I don’t have time… Read more »
@Albert: “Here, they describe experiments in which those with interactional expertise succeed in pretending to be full-blown experts in imitation games.”
You have failed.
No I haven’t read the book. But what’s your point? — Bot-test and re-focusing on the topic of this blog
For me in order to relate the information within that book we need structure. — Relate book to blog topic.
So could you please make your point AND point out how this is relevant to what I said before. — see above.
Albert to Pinolero
For me in order to relate the information within that book we need structure.
There’s part of your problem.
Imposing structure from the top down, vs. allowing structure to evolve from the bottom up. Maybe it’s a German thing, or maybe it’s just you.
kfg
@Albert: “Here, they describe experiments in which those with interactional expertise succeed in pretending to be full-blown experts in imitation games.”
kfg
You have failed.
Because he has no game.
@pinerolo ” Bot-test and re-focusing on the topic of this blog” Fair enough, I think in general we won’t get anything out of the conversation I ‘ve started. Before anyone summarise the disagreement. As it looks at the moment that will be most likely me. So I will try again in December. I just didn’t wanted to get the progress we have made so far get lost. @Kfg “You have failed.” The experiment ‘failed’ yesterday. May I direct you to Dr. Zipper comment ‘you blew it’ Nevertheless, I still think the point still stands. Furthermore, ‘interactionable expertise’ is possessed by… Read more »
Tom Petty up and died. This isn’t my favorite song of his but it’s one of the best ever videos.
Just saying.
Albert
I think in general we won’t get anything out of the conversation I ‘ve started.
There’s a difference between “monologue” and “conversation”.
@AR I think you need some ‘menprovement’ to do if you want to get on the ‘bad uncle’ list with your insults
https://youtu.be/s3WwQkItiUM
@pinelero What I like about the book is that it’s so concise and efficient. Curious about his masculinist term. Couldn’t he just say “masculist?” After all, it’s feminist, not femininist… In any case, I think you’re right that women universally hate father’s rights. As a father leading be parental and personal example for my 7yo son, I feel this poignantly. What’s been interesting is how women react (ie. stammering and shutting up) when I challenge their glib claim that they know their son’s minds based on their “intuition,” (i.e. Nothing at all). From close observation of NYC mothers, I’ve noticed… Read more »
The weekend has gotten back to the gym and I’m pounding it.
Rollo
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/masculinist
First known use;1918.
Thank you KFG
https://twitter.com/DarkTriadMan/status/915701413350662144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkzFKDJzwo
Markos What’s been interesting is how women react (ie. stammering and shutting up) when I challenge their glib claim that they know their son’s minds based on their “intuition,” (i.e. Nothing at all). From close observation of NYC mothers, I’ve noticed that most mothers, hijacked by consumerism and modern culture, are too agreeable with their offspring and suffused with their own need for safety and security to be good parents. Women don’t know shit about young boys minds. But the will smother boys under the guise of “for the safety of her and her children”. Life is unsafe for boys… Read more »
https://twitter.com/thecadclub/status/915748459554181125
Welcome SJF
https://thecad.club/Invitation
Now all these problems that you guys just described are compounded by the internet in this little mouse utopia we are all living. Son’s growing up w/o fathers, schools being dominated by female teachers. University being female dominated, the worklplace being made female friendly etc. As SJF stress: “Mother’s roles are valuable and so are Father’s, but the roles are complementary. Not the same.” ” Women don’t know shit about young boys minds. But the will smother boys under the guise of “for the safety of her and her children”. Life is unsafe for boys and men, but they need… Read more »
markos beers What’s been interesting is how women react (ie. stammering and shutting up) when I challenge their glib claim that they know their son’s minds based on their “intuition,” (i.e. Nothing at all). This would be a good time for Ton to comment. Women don’t understand boy children, because they project. You’re right, they know nothing. From my own experience, it gets worse as the boys get older; my dear old mother would say stuff to me in my teen years like “I know what you’re thinking!”, and she was wrong every time. Every single time. Because I was… Read more »
Albert, do you really mean to point me at Tinderellas as arbiters of anything to do with men?
LOL!
Another video from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Either you get it or you don’t.
Sentient, Blaximus, Ton – this one’s for y’all first up.
AR, no i was indicating that your level discourse is on the level of these Tinderellas. Meaning, judging that allows for no uncertainty (1). That the extiror, first impression of YOUR perception is synonymous with objective reality (2) and That there is a sense of self-righteousness and smugness about these types of judgments (3). With these types of behaviour patterns, it’s not difficult to understand why these whores act the way they do. Why these ‘bad boy experts’ (not idiots for beleifing such obvious lies) think they know everything. All I was saying, is that you behaved like the male… Read more »
After re-reading “re-thinking expertise” by Collins and Evans, made me realise that if I want to manifest positive masculinity I have to “walk the talk” so to speak, when it comes to scientific publishing and the article idea about the moral economy. I think it is pretty eviden now that I have more expertise in the scientific method than anyone on this blog and the only way I can demonstrate this expertise is by showing it to people (walking the talk). By showing you on this blog of how the scientific method works in pratice, I can manifest this expertise… Read more »
@Albert: “I think it is pretty eviden now that I have more expertise in the scientific method than anyone on this blog . . .”
We know.
(Comment 22) Albert September 22, 2017 at 4:06 pm @kfg, yeah I noticed the same, especially how similar the concept of ‘original sin’ is to ‘male privilege’ in how it used for social control. I think feminism is the slave morality of our time. In Nietzsche’s day it was Christianity and today its rad fem. (Comment 50) kfg September 23, 2017 at 5:16 am “What now the invention of the idea of the ‘soul’ and the ‘human spirit’ does is that it allocates intrinsitic value to these ‘worthless males’.” See the Pauline Epistles. They are the foundation stone of Western… Read more »
@Albert: “This is why I come accross as a pompous ass, learning about your moral economy within this thread, has thaught me proper form of communication is contingent upon structre. Withitout such structre, the discourse breaks down.”
You must be a hoot at parties.
As Feyerabend showed, the “Scientific Method” is indistinguishable from epistemic anarchy. Expertise in epistemic anarchy is something to be avoided.
@Albert: “So please guyes, tell me how I am wrong . . .”
Your brain is broken. It lacks humanity.