Surrender

Most of my readers are aware of my stand on the myth of male vulnerability. Weakness is not strength, but the Village of the Feminine Imperative, would have us believe that the more a man displays honest signs of vulnerability the more endearing he’ll be to women. The Blue Pill conditions men to believe that crying, or being more emotionally sensitive, or really anything that makes him identify with the feminine in his personal character is a form of this endearing vulnerability that women can (by appealing to equalist reason) be expected to respect in a man. While adopting this mindset may open a man up to ridicule (and unspoken disgust on the part of women), this is not true vulnerability. The Village might try to convince a man he’s being brave by avoiding conventional masculinity, but this emasculating vulnerability is nothing compared to what a man has to lose from real vulnerability.

What I think most men, certainly all Blue Pill men, miss is that the ultimate form of vulnerability a man can engage in is ‘catching feelings’ for, or emotionally investing himself in, any particular woman. And this is especially so if that man’s Blue Pill conditioning makes him oblivious to the risks of that vulnerability.

Nothing leaves a man more vulnerable in life, love, family, career, finances and really power over the direction of his life than to invest himself in a woman. The very act, the very thought, of surrendering his life’s imperative to the trust that a woman wont exercise the unimaginable control and potential for damage she has in his life is a vulnerability no woman will ever recognize or acknowledge; nor will the sacrifices that come from this vulnerability ever be something she has a capacity to appreciate.

Even in the best case scenarios, where a man’s investment is reciprocated, or a somewhat idyllic relationship grows between a man and a woman, such is the state of our modern sexual marketplace that a potential for a man’s ruin still colors that relationship. Our feminine-primary social order has, through legislation and social pretense, made the proposition of any man navigating the sexual marketplace one of inherent vulnerability. Women rarely understand the vulnerability a man is opening himself up to because our social order makes that potential for his harm invisible to her. In fact, if he resists opening himself up to potential ruin he’s considered to be insecure, and this in turn is attributed to his maleness.

I have no doubt there will be women reading this last paragraph and think, “Well, women are putting themselves at risk too, we have to be vulnerable too.” No, you really don’t. Since the beginning of the Sexual Revolution every potential aspect of vulnerability for women in the SMP has been meticulously compensated for, or insured against the worst. Whether that’s the grossly female-weighted divorce and custody laws, or legal abortion, or arbitrary consent laws that only serve women, or the special dispensation for women academically or vocationally, any and all vulnerability risk is mitigated for you. The emotional vulnerability you believe is so costly pales in comparison to the risk and consequences that vulnerability represents to men. Men commonly have more to risk, more to lose and invest more of themselves into that risk proposition.

True vulnerability, the kind that opens you up to life-destroying consequences, is when a man’s idealism for women, despite knowing all the very likely, very destructive, consequences is something he willfully ignores. For a Blue Pill man, his vulnerability is rarely ever recognized. Thanks to his life-long preconditioning he believes in a romanticism that insulates him from ever acknowledging the risks and the all-downside potential of that vulnerability. This obliviousness – keeping a Beta-in Waiting blind – is a primary goal of Blue Pill conditioning.

Idealizing Surrender

Women would rather be objectified than idealized. The reason for this really gets back to evolved gender differences; women want a man who other men want to be and other women want to fuck. In other words, women want to be the object of desire of a worthy man. When a man surrenders himself to the primacy of the feminine, when he makes a woman his mental point of origin, when he alters the course of his life to accommodate her, that’s when he ceases to be someone for whom she’ll willingly submit to. When she becomes his center he knowingly surrenders Frame.

It is, however, the innate idealism that predisposes men to outward thinking, to the belief in what could be realized, that also predisposes them to idolizing women on whole and idolizing a woman at once. A man’s idealism makes a lot of things possible for him, but it also puts him at terrible risk with regard to being truly vulnerable. Furthermore, men’s fundamental romantic nature is also attributed to our innate what-is-possible idealism. The Feminine Imperative has used this idealism to its benefit for millennia, but the most common (seemingly sensible) utility of it results in men’s surrender of self to the feminine.

When we read through the romantic poetry of the ages – almost all of it written by men – the most common reoccurring theme is that of a helpless ‘surrender’ to the love a man bears for a woman. From Ovid to Shakespeare to Byron the dialog and sentiment is the same; that of the inherent ‘correctness’ of a man surrendering his soul to the love – requited or not – of a woman. If there is a psychological root to the disorder of ONEitis it can be found in this poetic idealism.

However, there is nothing that makes a man more vulnerable to a woman, to the feminine, than his idealist’s nature. The Feminine Imperative knows this thumbscrew of men. One hallmark of the conditioned Beta mind is an eagerness to put themselves into a state of surrender to the feminine. I go into this a bit in Pre-Whipped:

These are the men I call pre-whipped; men so thoroughly conditioned, men who’ve so internalized that conditioning, that they mentally prepare themselves for total surrender to the Feminine Imperative, that they already make the perfect Beta provider before they even meet the woman to whom they’ll make their sacrifice.

But what should predispose men to so eagerly want this surrender? Certainly there’s an element of a (false) belief in the possibility of a mutual concept of love between that man and a (potential) woman. It’s what he believes should be possible.

What else? There’s the pre-conditioned belief that this surrender is his masculine duty. Countless Blue Pill pastors make a living belaboring the narrative that men can’t be Men until they mold themselves over the course of a lifetime to be a (once convenient) a woman’s ideal. Literally, manhood is denied to him until he surrenders to the feminine.

The Family Alpha made this observation last week:

Many men have given the power over their inner self entirely to the women of their lives.

While I completely agree, what I’m wondering is why this need to surrender self is an intrinsic aspect in men? The majority of men (80% Betas) are pre-whipped to expect a need to surrender to the women in their lives. Their abdication is so matter of fact that it becomes something subconscious for them.

Is this a characteristic that separates Betas from Alphas? I’d like to think so, but then a distinction needs to be made between being a Strong Independent Alpha who lives up to a positive, pro-social, conventionally masculine role (despite a world arrayed against it) and the same who, though still respectively Alpha, surrenders his sense of self to the woman he idolizes.

SFC Ton had a great comment about this surrender:

“Women do not really have more power……The first step is to realize that this is indeed the case. Men cede power. Men are taught to cede power. Men look for opportunities to cede power. Women just take advantage of men’s largess. A man does not have to be full on Alpha to get this, or to use it to his best advantage in life.”

One thing to consider is how much power have men ceded and to what effect. The surrender is real, both individually and socially. Reclaiming the power ceded in that surrender will be fought in many different scopes. In The Family Alpha’s article, the concern is two fold: the ceding of a man’s inner self, the surrender of identity to the approval of the feminine, and what the consequences are for men once they reclaim or recreate an identity apart from what he allowed the feminine to create for him.

This a significant thing to ponder for men. One reason I believe men become so despondent, so nihilistic, after some trauma that shook them into Red Pill awareness is that their identity, their sense of self, was a result of this ceding of power to women. They literally do not know what to make of themselves once they are cut free from that paradigm, but moreover they must confront the fact that who they are now (at the time of their unplugging) is, in large part, due to that self-surrender. Prior to their unplugging this surrender may have been involuntary for them, but still perhaps not. Their vulnerability and the true potential of permanent damage from it is put out in the open for them and others to realize.

It’s easy to think of men having difficulty getting over their Exes as in some way damaged. Family Alpha’s point was to encourage men to get back on the horse and back in the game and be competitive again, and that’s what I believe is most beneficial for these men. I also believe that it does men no service to prolong feeling sorry for themselves, but again, that’s part of the process of recreating a man. The risk then becomes a sort of new surrender wherein men drop out and isolate themselves aways from the system that held them and caused them to believe in, and then confront the consequences of their first vulnerability and surrender to the feminine. Isolation becomes their new form of surrender.

However, it’s also important that they recognize the potential for damage that surrendering, that ceding power, to the feminine represents to them. Red Pill aware men should acknowledge that their real vulnerability will be implied in any relationship they enter into beyond a perfunctory pump & dump. That knowledge should be a source of power that prevents them from overextending themselves once again into surrender to the feminine. They are aware now and that awareness now implies a responsibility to it. It demands that they keep their heads out of the sand and make calculated risks according to that awareness.

Your new Red Pill self has no more excuses of ignorance – your life’s been handed back to you with the full knowledge of the system you’re a part of.

No surrender.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

@Eh – Eric?!? is that you? how’s the scar over the eye?

lol bb guns, if there’s a finite amount of luck allotted to each of us, I’m pretty sure to have already used all mine up by 14 yo

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@SJF: ” KFG . . . he doesn’t have any trouble with being a leader of others.” Well, to be honest, I generally find it a bit annoying. I have business of my own to attend to, but every now and then I turn around and there’s a line following me around like I’m supposed to be providing their business with direction or something. @Ton: “Talk to them about fucking? What else do you have in common with them?” That pretty much sums it up. @Dr. Zipper: ” . . . if there’s a finite amount of luck allotted to… Read more »

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

This should help to refocus the men who still hold to idealizing and, from the OP, surrendering to their women while expecting them to always remain loyal and appreciate their sacrifices, such as kicking ass while on military deployment (referencing the military infidelity upthread). In this first clip, if legit, it is highly likely this young lass’s deployed hubby left her imprinted with his strong frame, purely based on her reflexive responses upon being approached (by a dude with a solid approach game, I might add). “I’m married,” quickly followed by “My husband is a Marine.” and “He wouldn’t like… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“My husband wouldn’t like that.”

i.e. I’m available.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Is ride or die a unicorn?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Nope.

You just gotta know who they are.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

The vids are not real.

Spidey senses raging….

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“it is highly likely this young lass’s deployed hubby left her imprinted with his strong frame, purely based on her reflexive responses upon being approached (by a dude with a solid approach game, I might add).” Shit bro, thx for the memories. Me and friend sitting at picnic bench, Ft. Bragg shopette. Car pulls up, two young women, ask us to party wit em. Cool. We’ll meet at their red clay brick base housing, we bring the booze. We arrive early, girls arrive, we’re inside…Ding-Dong! Hubby’s friend-soldier returned early…days before hubby. Busted. She sat at kitchen table, head in hands,… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@Blax,

At my best, Mrs. Eh has grabbed women and thrown them off of me.

Theres more to this than sex y’all.

CSI
CSI
5 years ago

Those two girls are married, yet they are walking around in public dressed like strippers. Those clothes don’t even look that comfortable, so they can’t offer that as an excuse.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

CSI…. it’s not reeeaaaallll… lol.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@KFG

“Well, to be honest, I generally find it a bit annoying.”

Same as it ever was. And as it should always be.

Some of us don’t suffer fools gladly. You and I, those judgmental SOB’s. Fuck the fools.

You have the abilities, the skills, and the traits. Doesn’t mean you have to employ them.

It’s better to have a firearm and not need it rather than not have one when you need it.

Traits are not always pathologies. No matter what others may say.

Oscar C.
5 years ago
Reply to  SJF

@SJF No offense at all, SJF, I truly appreciate your advice. I am naturally stubborn but open to new ideas. I have modified my views enough in the past so it would not be the first time. The challenge now is that it implies significant change in actions as well. I grasped better this time what you meant, I was too focused on the hobbies and so on. You are onto something when you say: “You get anti-fragile by putting yourself through shit and when you come out the other side, the more things in life won’t affect you as… Read more »

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@Blaximus Yeah, I was going back and forth on its legitimacy (which is why I cautioned with my ‘if legit’ comment). Was even expecting more BS call-outs in the comments than are posted. Odd. The thing of it is, I have personally known dudes (no Lambo or $$ but high in the looks dept. with no game) who banged young married wives whose husbands were deployed. Found out after the fact they were married. Also know dudes whose wives left them for high net worth guys with a similar speed that Jerry Seinfeld’s wife left her poor cuck: “Nederlander, 46,… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

fake videos. gosh guys, why post them.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

I understand that some concepts, particularly Frame, are hard for some men to fully wrap their heads around and embrace, but I feel STRONGLY that MPO and Frame are concepts that are CRUCIAL for a man to grasp and put into practice asap. So yeah, I tend to bust on my fellow men when they appear to say that it’s hard. I bust because it’s important. @Blax — Amen. And they are scared even if they aren’t saying it. But persevere, keep encouraging and then they have those breakthroughs… Nothing can take away that kind of confidence then. @Sent —… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

@EhIntelect and all After hearing so much about No More Mr. Nice Guy Book I have finally read it. In quite a number of instances it reeks of bluepill overtones. There are instances where the guy sounds like he is saying men ought to get their shit together so they can be better dutiful husbands. Stuff like men needing to ask for sex from their wives, him appearing on oprah etc. Bullshit. I think men should embrace No Mr. Nice Guy paradigms for the sake of their freedom from societal expectation for service without giving congruent reciprocation. Most western women… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

@kfg
Lol. Exactly. My husband wouldnt like that. [I am fine with it but…., you know, ….eerrr BUT HE is the problem here, you see? Not me]. LOL.

BUT seeing as you have a motherfucking supercar, I have never been to a beach house (bitch house?), and the dude is out of town, eeerr…champaign is good for health.

I wish there was a way to donstrate this common scenario on tape without having to post fake videos.

LEX
LEX
5 years ago

I spent too long indulging in my sense of outrage.
I’m starting to realize – finally – that outrage at life is wasted energy. Narcissistic.
Life doesn’t give a fuck.
And why should it?
It’s liberating….

anon
anon
5 years ago

“fake videos. gosh guys, why post them.”

The gold digger’s video isn’t legit?
Au, shit.

Next up: Reality show:
Gold hoarder pickup lines
“What’s a bar like this doing in a girl like you?”

Limitless
Limitless
5 years ago

To properly evaluate potential damage caused by venerability one must remember just two quotes. First one by Beige Philip You’re in situations when you think you’re in a relationship, but you’re not in a relationship, you’re in battle. And second by Sun Tzu If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. Men are raised blind hooded to women’s nature first by their own mothers, then by gynocentric society and they also don’t know what to make of their own reactions to women. Nobody has told them that, what initially feels so good, later can… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

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theasdgamer
5 years ago

chick dildo humor…feels so deep to chicks, but guys just can’t see it

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Welcome aboard LEX

@ cheupez

Right on. Self help books are to be a-la-carted. Take what works, disregard the rest.

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

Don’t have a lot of time to write all I’ve found useful in the past day or so of comments, but it’s great stuff. The most important thing is that I’ve realized my MPO needs realignment. I’m finding that lately it’s important to re-calibrate sooner than slog through methods/thinking that is only brining marginal results. Started by changing my workout at the gym completely, less cardio and more weights. Another Dune quote: “Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.” @Eh “Am I the only guy who watched the parade af Beta males at the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . less cardio and more weights.”

How do your leg muscles know whether they’re pushing a lever on a bicycle and not a lever on a leg press?

” . . . on the elliptical at the gym.”

The elliptical is at best useless, and at worst counter useful. They’ve had to invent the elliptical bicycle to make appear as if it has real world application. And yet, while I see people out hamstering on the trails on elliptical bicycles, I never see them parked at the grocery store.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Roused

One of the great things about being a man is that we have practically endless options for self improvement, and working on ourselves – including making adjustments and fine tuning – doesn’t leave much time for societal nonsense as our time is focused on what we decide to do in service of ourselves.

The dividends are massive long term.

Glad to hear your continued progression. It never ends because you’re never finished until you’re lowered into the earth.

Your choice. Your pace.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
5 years ago

@Morpheus and SJF

Thanks fellas, your affirmation is important to me, and it’s always rewarding if my posts can help anyone in any way.

I’ve never felt better.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
5 years ago

Also, your elaboration on my post and relating it to Deida’s third stage.. Golden.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“Growing up I never worked on anything during the summers like I hear many American teenagers do. I did not see the point since I did not really covet anything expensive.” Teenage employment is less about the money than knowing, acting on one’s options. Consider your lessons lost re: labor expectations, experience, social skills and much more while idle. My boys have been bussing tables, hosting, waiting, dish-duty, the oldest prep and steak cooking. My oldest analyzes every restaurant for work flow, staff ratios, cooking space, cleanliness and quality/freshness and price. He sees the world differently now with all his… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago
Reply to  EhIntellect

@Eh Yes, I certainly did not see things that way back then. The social skills part, dealing with coworkers… seems the most important to me now. I wasn’t exactly idle (did some trips abroad to learn languages, one of the reasons I am able to write this down) but yeah, I can see now that always avoiding work or unpleasant things is not the way to go. The more I look back the more I understand why girls did not exactly find me attractive, regardless of appearance. It is painful right now but I think worthwhile for the future. Just… Read more »

FWIW
FWIW
5 years ago

There is another way to look at the relationship between male strength and willingness to show vulnerability. Forget crying or generally showing lots of emotion, to simply tell the truth is enough to make oneself vulnerable in this litigious, gynocentric world. For a man to know that risk, and still make the choice to be honest all the time (whether that means acknowledging his own mistakes/shortcomings, or expressing a negative view of a popular person/object/idea), shows his lack of fear towards other people. He’s not worried about how anyone will retaliate, he’s going to speak in a way that accurately… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Force, not as defined. I believe boys have desire for competence, are fearful, ignorant of how to achieve it. Sentient talked a bit about this regarding sports…same thing. Young men(old guys too) underestimate their potential. Specifically, I sat them down, helped them quickly create resumes with what they had: grades, off-the-books work history, references. Drove them to nearby diners…within 30 minutes they had three interviews set up. I’m their biggest fan and am prone to stemwinders, cheer-leading, sky’s-the-limit fathering, between bagging that they need to stay out of Mom’s hair. Summer’s here and I’m not around much as before…I did… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago

@Eh

Nice. I am glad you do parenting that way. That drive is also very American in my opinion.

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

Messed up my right knee playing basketball with a group of guys I ran with when I was 28. My knee said fuck you, you’re 53. I can deal with the pain, but it limits my mobility, am trying to figure out alternatives to squats for the short term. Any suggestions?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Roused:

Glute bridge and hip thrust. They don’t stress the quads as much as squats, but they do stress them and with much lower forces on the knee. And while they might not give you bulging quads, they’ll give you a great ass.

And if you check your pulse, you may find that body weight glute bridges can replace the elliptical machine without neuro-patterning unnatural motion.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Split leg dead lifts if you have the range of motion, high box squats, anything like a farmer’s carry, sled drag, truck pull or push

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Who let the nancy in?

Anon01
Anon01
5 years ago

@Roused You should work on mobility daily. Read the “how to become a supple leopard” book for detailed info on that. I would then film my self with a phone or whatever and diagnose & correct my movement patterns. This book has upgraded all my lifts that involve shoulders. # https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Supple-Leopard-2nd-Performance/dp/1628600837/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498593410&sr=8-1&keywords=the+supple+leopard (you can probably download it for free somewhere, too) # https://www.youtube.com/user/sanfranciscocrossfit/search?query=Knee Also, you could expirement with lower weight(or body weight) squats, bulgarian split squats, lunges, etc with pause and slow(3-5secs) eccentric/concentric phase. If you add not “locking” neither at the top, nor the bottom of these movements the reps… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@ Oscar Yeah, I’ve heard that too about the U.S. I’m not even that driven by money though. I don’t consider teenage travel, foreign languages a masculine undertaking per se. Improvement, sure. Was your travel on another’s dime? If yes, does this bother you? I can’t make my kids better people, I can’t teach them to be motivated, generally. I can make them worse through apathy, indulgence, permissiveness asphyxiating the drive to succeed. Denying them to know themselves, Helping them find their limits is fun, part of my duties. I wrestled as a youth and learned my physical limits then.… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago
Reply to  EhIntellect

@Eh I thought you were American. I guess this site is more international than I had expected. Yes, of course, it was paid for by my parents. I was like 16 or so. No, it never bothered me in the least. I have some acquaintancies who would tell me how embarrassed they felt when they had to ask for pocket money at home, but not me. I just thought it was natural, which is probably a mistake as you imply. However I was keenly aware of the costs and once there did make the most of it by actively trying… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Yeah, I’ve heard that too about the U.S. I’m not even that driven by money though.”

From what I’ve seen, the teenager employment experience depends most on the opportunities in the area. I’ve even lived in parts of the US where I was under the impression that teens no longer worked, since I would see immigrants working all of those jobs that I’d see teens working a couple of decades ago. Then I’d move to another area where the teens were almost all working.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

you guys are awesome… some fella shows up complaining of his starvation and you — not knowing the preferences of his palate — place a made-to-order buffet before him to give myriad options to ingest your nutritious wisdom after a few make-nice words about the pleasant presentation and fine ingredients, it’s waved aside with nary a taste as being too undercooked, overcooked, fattening, unfilling, not-like-mama-made-it or some other excuse as to why it’s unfit for the starving man’s consumption…. please go back to the kitchen and try again; and you do it!! you guys have far more patience than me… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago
Reply to  dr zipper

@zipper

I guess that is about me. As I said I do really appreciate the advice and will try to apply it as much as possible. Some of those ideas have been in my head for a while, others are more alien, hence a certain resistance towards them which does not mean rejection.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@dr. Zipper Classic good cop-bad cop tactics. Dr. Zipper: Now listen chica fruitcake. You’re gonna alpha up and fast cuz I got a reeeal mean temper, ya see? Yer gonna park that shit in the FR’s or else, comprende gallina? SJF: Take 5 Zip. Look amigo, here’s a Horchata. Zip’s put out cuz he’s had a choice day. He wants the best for you. I do too. Glad you’re here, now just stop being gay and hit up some whoever Spanish chick and tell us in the field reports. They’re real nice there you see…we get it…and now read this… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I’ve been working steady since age 16. That’s why I’m looking to retire soon, lol. I stopped asking my folks for any money at age 16 also. But, my dad, as a business owner, provided me with ample opportunity to make money as long as I was willing to do the work required to earn it. When I went away to school, I got 2 jobs ( McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts. I was never hungry ). Momentarily, I kinda held it against my dad because he didn’t just voluntarily hand over money without requiring that I earn it in some… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
5 years ago

Seems to me that a lot of men here who butt heads with redpill theory argue in a manner revealing that they are on the autism spectrum, something which seems to be more prevalent with the younger set nowadays (like nut allergies, who the fuck ever heard of nut allergies 30 years ago? Now teachers carry adrenaline because it’s so prevalent). As someone in a similar situation all I can say is get yourself tested, do an online inventory and then see a professional if your results are high. New research shows the prevalence of oxidative stress in the brain… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@anon K. I believe you. Recent local morning news had 2″report how teenage employment is down as many are choosing year round athletics, other diversions. Had a couple kids staking their futures on whatever non work activity the parent presumably countenanced. Chamber of commerce is a big fan of low teenage employment as then they pay full grown illegal immigrant adults, scared shIitlrss to leave, say anything, teenage pay. Kids can get the work. Its there. Who’s incentive is it for kids not to work? Aside: Every anchor hospital is buildiing a sports training clinic. We have many in this… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“My dad made me the professional.”

Testify.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

@Eh – consider it my contribution to the boy’s buffet selection

Oscar C.
5 years ago

@ Blaximus I clearly lack that “vital skillset” you talk about. It is really dangerous because in case of difficulties suicide does quickly become an option. In my particular case however I have a hard time blaming my parents. They were always very tight with money and stuff was never thrown away if it still had some value. I am talking for instance about ripping toothpaste tubes open once depleted to make the most of them, and similar little things most people today would never bother to do. I was told to study hard at school and I certainly did,… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

< 1 % of today's millionaires have inherited dollar one.

You're probably living next to one.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

all this talk of hard work paying off making you sweat Oscar? lol

I read you as someone with the latent ability rise to the occasion but have yet to actually prove it because you’ve not *really* been tested in life yet

right or wrong, just a guess, doesn’t matter, and no need to respond with a “great advice! but here’s why I’m a special snowflake blah blah blah”

I’m really rootin’ for ya, kid, no lie… but by now I think you’re ready to be posting field reports of your efforts to implement all this great goddamn advice

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“I have a hard time blaming my parents.”

If you worked hard enough could you blame them?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Oscar You have the capability of changing your circumstances at any time you make the commitment to do so. It’s never too late, and it’s never hopeless. You recognize your apathy, but do you also realize it’s possible to change? But you gotta want to. As far a parents go, I feel that once we are ” grown “, it’s time to let go of whatever our parents did, or did not do to/for us. There’s a reason that psychiatrist always want to know about one’s relationship to their parents, and particularly to their mothers. We tend to hold… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

yo Blax, ix-nay on the ubble-day ang-bay ang-bay or we’ll all call you a girlie girl

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Someone say party? I’m fucking there. Let me bring my mic.

anon
anon
5 years ago

” teenage pay. Kids can get the work. Its there. Who’s incentive is it for kids not to work?”

Well, I don’t think there is an incentive for kids not to work. I think there’s only a certain number of jobs (in the skill set and during the hours required) and if they are filled by others they become unavailable.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“I clearly lack that “vital skillset” ”

If you have a functioning penis, you’re half way there.

Dude youre on the precipace of a new life….tonight…and I mean tonight….go out and talk to a complete stranger good looking woman. Dont hit on her, per se just talk the weather, her dress, where she bought it. Shoes, don’t matter. Find one vaguely attractive girl and report back in FR’s.

Dude bro. I can’t experience you how much fun this shit is.

I was fired recently. I’m now well in the 1%.

Do this and you WILL be the prize.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

‘Round here back of house is spanish only. My son works back of house. Front of house is locals. Skill set? Fuck no. Its budness, baby.

Dont be fooled.

Disney has a business plan based on upping the H1-B numbers. This whole “we need more STEM” is a farce to drive wages down.

Christ! I sound like some OWS schizophrenic.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

6 and 7 year car loans.

30 year mortgages.

2% on savings.

Most people that I know who are older than me bought homes ( no 30 year mortgage ) and cars ( no 6 – 7 year loans ) and put a kid or two through college while doing factory work.

Anyone, and I mean anyone working fulltime should never be too poor to support themselves.

Bidness, indeed.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“2% on savings.”

A whole 2 percent? Is that the rate of return?
Wow, that would take only 35 years to double.
Where’d they get a sweet deal like that these days?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Actually, the rate is more like 1.3 – 1.75 %.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. there’s more than 1 Red Pill.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Actually, the rate is more like 1.3 – 1.75 %.”
Yep….and that’s up. Been a while since it’s been that high.
But then Japan has negative interest rates. Banks charge you to keep your money there.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Japan has negative birth rates.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Intellect

The U.S. and Europe have negative birth rates as well.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Japan #2 lowest.

U.S. not in the bottom 25,. Economy, neighbors, lackadaisical immigration enforcement…desire for permanent underclass. 2025 U.S. goes negative. Canada went 2 years ago.

Again, back with the OWS stuff. i gotta get out more.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

The U.S. doesn’t have a negative birth rate asd. It’s falling, but not negative.

Mean Mr. Mustard
Mean Mr. Mustard
5 years ago
theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

The U.S. replacement rate is about 1.8. The U.S. native population is declining. Illegal immigrants have babies and that props up the birth rate.

The U.S. has a negative native birth rate. If we didn’t have a shitload of illegal immigrants, unlike other countries, then the situation would be much clearer…but the confusion is by design.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Eh

U.S. not in the bottom 25,. Economy, neighbors, lackadaisical immigration enforcement…desire for permanent underclass.

the main reason is to dilute the whites, who represent the greatest threat to the elites’ program…the elites are shitlibs and shitlibs attempt to force equal outcomes for all races…the elites believe that the white birth rate must be curtailed…the native black U.S. birth rate has also been hit hard…(Africa and the Middle East still have high birth rates)

elites = media, academia, Hollywood, Washington D.C. population, NY Times fanatical readers, “Bill Gates” corporate types

cheupez
5 years ago

“As far a parents go, I feel that once we are ” grown “, it’s time to let go of whatever our parents did, or did not do to/for us. Especially the bad.

Gold.

I would also add maybe the “good” our parents did may also be a deterrent for our motivation to strive for excellence.

Anon01
Anon01
5 years ago

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Oscar C.
5 years ago

@zipper

Will post them, Mr. Bad Cop

@Eh

Exactly, that is the point. Have already made some approaches, today I will make more.

@Blax

I am on it right now. I used to think that “positive thinking” was a self-delusion, but it does matter. These past days have been mentally stressful but I am feeling better now. Thanks again.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@asd Dilute the whites, that’s true in fact but not design. More at shrink the traditionally right-leaning middle class, replace them with permanent low class servants of the state. “Whereas in the past, conscription brought different groups of Americans together in military service, today people in these groups live separate lives. In addition, whereas in the past, working class whites with just a high school education were able to get good paying jobs like the automotive and steel industries, for example, jobs of that type have largely disappeared, leaving this group frustrated and unable to get ahead in the world… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Eh This has lead to breakdown in family life and unfortunately high levels of drug abuse, alcoholism, poor health and large numbers of children growing up in broken homes with inadequate parental guidance from two parents.” Murray misses the impact of the FI on all these factors…lack of low-skilled manufacturing jobs have disappeared, but men have adjusted to it…however, men have not adjusted to the unattractiveness of marriage for the working class…of course, marriage is still attractive to UMC men…the skilled trades would be more appealing if massive numbers of illegals weren’t reducing wages in the skilled trades…hard to see… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

By “native Americans” I don’t mean indigenous minorities, but Americans who were born here.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

As to who supports the elites…it is the lower class minorities and elitist sheep living on the coasts and single women (including single white women) of all ages…generally, men (including UMC men) and married women are against the programs of the elite

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“forcing equality of outcomes on all races”

You’re right. Equality regardless of race. Importation of traditionally social service dependent people helps further that goal. Islam, for example, is severely socialist. The expectations don’t change when they arrive.

Murray does speak of the declining marriage in the lower and middle class.

The plateauing divorce rate is considered not an effect of increased marriage stability but cohabitation. Waiting longer to get married is men adjusting to the FI, less divorces as men are figuring it out.

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Not to go on too much, as this is a dicey subject to say the least, but there is more than one red pill men need desperately to swallow, although it may be much too late already. Men have not, in any way, adapted to the loss of ” low skill ” jobs. At no point in this or any other nation’s history was all employment ” high skilled “. The vast majority of American workers have always worked at what could be considered lower skilled jobs, although I find that description abhorrent and elitist and akin to a version… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

@Blaximus

Regarding those issues you and others here might like this blog, which is left-wing but opposed to SJWdom:

“The highest stage of neoliberal capitalism is the quite explicit drive for the demographic replacement of the peoples of the developed capitalist Western world.

Neoliberalism and Neoclassical economics place no value on national identity, or social and cultural cohesion, whether of working class people nor of whole nations. Hence the utter insanity being pushed today, as also advocated here by Noah Smith.”

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com.es/2017/05/the-highest-stage-of-neoliberal.html

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

….. Illegals and minorities should fix this mess. Lol.

Oscar C.
5 years ago

Also from the article: ““Wages in rich countries are determined more by immigration control than anything else, including any minimum wage legislation. How is the immigration maximum determined? Not by the ‘free’ labour market, which, if left alone, will end up replacing 80–90 per cent of native workers with cheaper, and often more productive, immigrants. Immigration is largely settled by politics. So, if you have any residual doubt about the massive role that the government plays in the economy’s free market, then pause to reflect that all our wages are, at root, politically determined.” Chang, Ha-Joon. 2011. 23 Things they… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Oscar I’m not into the whole ” left – right ” smokescreen. The issues this nation faces are directly caused by both political parties. Different spots on the same dog currently. So, is it immigrants driving down wages and ” native ” employment? Or is it the entities that hire and employ them? Or the politicians that legislate in favor of them and business? And, who loses? It’s like asking the fox about the best means of guarding a hen house. Simply, we’ve elected leaders that have no problem selling us out, and we keep looking to them to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Oscar: ” I used to think that “positive thinking” was a self-delusion, but it does matter.” Positive thinking as in “if you wish for it hard enough the universe will provide it” is a self-delusion. Positive thinking as expressed by taking action toward a goal is not, although it’s really the negative (logically speaking) case. i.e. negative thinking impedes positive action. @ASD: “By “native Americans” I don’t mean indigenous minorities . . .” The correct term, used in the constitution, is “natural born.” @Eh Intellect: “Dilute the whites, that’s true in fact but not design. More at shrink the traditionally… Read more »

Oscar C.
5 years ago

@Blaximus Yes, left and right must always be taken as “situational” terms, particularly in our current reality. To me illegals are the “Reserve army of labor” Marx already spoke of. It is pretty obvious. Over 4 million people arrived in Spain between 2000 and 2008 (population 46 million). This had to have an effect on wages. The immigrants in themselves are not “the enemy”; they just want a better life for the most part. As you say one has to look into those who make their presence possible. I think America has an awful system of corporate lobbying which is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Oscar: “Neoliberalism and Neoclassical economics place no value on national identity, or social and cultural cohesion, whether of working class people nor of whole nations.”

It is notable that Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, mortal enemies in both politics and economics, agreed on one thing and worked virtually arm and arm together to achieve it:

That the fate of the American nation depended on the founding and maintaining of classically sound money and that the bankers would do everything they could to prevent or destroy it.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Yes, left and right must always be taken as “situational” terms . . .” No. That is the material of the smokescreen. The “left” has worked for generations to induce that idea in you. Left and right have real definitions that have been swept under the carpet of “situational” definitions. Perhaps it’s a subtle point, but it is nonetheless a critical one. The reason the left -right divide must be viewed “situationally” is because their meanings have been destroyed, making them nothing more than politcal tactical tools. The same as they have done with the words “misogyny,” “masculinity,” “racism,” etcetera.… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“who is hiring and paying millions of undocumented workers in the u.s.” USCC “Restrictive skilled-immigration policy costs U.S. jobs every single day. How many? Start with an estimated 100,000 jobs lost directly this year from H-1B visa applications that were either not filed or not approved beyond the current cap of 85,000. Then add 400,000, a ballpark estimate from research of additional jobs not created at immigrant-hiring companies and at these companies’ suppliers.” Unfilled visas from Disney = “lost” jobs. lol. “That’s 500,000 jobs lost thanks to [a] too-restrictive U.S. immigration policy. Spread across 50 five-day workweeks, this translates into… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Guys, what do we think of this Justin Caldbeck scandal – Silicon Valley VC forced to resign from the firm he co-founded after various women allege he made inappropriate advances to them in a professional context. Many articles including this one: https://pando.com/2017/06/22/binary-capitals-justin-caldbeck-accused-unwanted-sexual-advances-towards-female-founders-wheres-outrage/ From what I can tell, he was a dickhead in trying to bribe his way out of trouble (in effect) after the allegations broke, but everything before that? Sounds to me like he was (badly) hitting on some women, and that’s about it. From the article, the allegations are summarized like this: “It’s only after reading past the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“USCC”

Which, despite the “US” in the title, is a lobby group promoting the interests of global corporations.

“They’re coming for my healthcare job too.”

You shouldn’t have one. You should have a medical practice. The reason they’re after your “healthcare” job is to prevent you from having one.

Medical Practice: The art of examining, diagnosing and treating patients.
Healthcare: The central authority of herd management.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“But can it really be “sexual harassment” to hit on a woman and be rejected?”

As per my above comment, the women control the definition. i.e. it is whatever they say it is.

Note, however, that levelling false charges against management is how they oust them and take over the management structure. See “witch hunt.”

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

riffing off the herd management quip…. there’s something really scary about all that personal, medical, biometric/genetic info being in the hands of anyone other than yourself; even if in today’s world power is fundamentally a matter of data/information control, then we’re all screwed if our current charted course holds; a centralized, monolithic government-mandated participation in the system will never be sold as such, instead, it must be marketing under the various fronts already mentioned above by others at some level there is an ‘elite’ group of powerbrokers unified not by any social, political, national belief system (though often cloaked in… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@ kfg lol. Yeah, no shingle hanging. Hired gun. 1099. Don’t know if I could go back now. The gravy benefits to keep me still, deductable from corporate profits, aren’t there now. Example: disability, life insurances, flex spend, health care all provided for minimal cost…but did I maximize those benefits? Fuck no. I, wife, kids are healthy. They were nice, but only in a way to pull the wool over my eyes in that there is safety in stasis. My benefits package now? Peace of mind. Don’t want to paint target around my arrows though. The recent jobs, immigration comments… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

And another thing – none of the women worked for him, I don’t think any of them even had companies he invested in. They were just meetings about potentially doing business. There is no allegation (much less evidence or proof) that any of the women suffered business detriment as a result of rejecting him. It literally is some poor guy losing his career because some women he hit on (and who rejected him) decided years later to go public, because “OMG, he touched my leg [not the inflammatory word “grabbed” in the allegations] – he needs to have his life… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

personal anecdote… I had my own consulting business for a few years in my bachelor years, doing well enough for a free swinging single dick then came marriage, and was still managing it just fine then pregnancy and the realities of healthcare costs (female/prenatal) forced a few unwanted changes; and even by incorporating and getting ‘reduced’ corporate rates, it was still slicing off over $2K/month just by itself now the thing with being a sole proprietorship is that the only way to grow is by increasing your rates, which are limited by market forces (lotsa competition), or hire on help… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . communists want your soul.” Buddha taught agnosticism and was transformed into a deity. Christ was not a Christian. Marx propounded a socio-economic theory, but Marxist Communism has become a religion. It wears a mask of atheism, but if you examine it closely it appears as little more than Calvinism with the proper nouns changed. They’re nothing more than a mob of Puritans running around with their spring loaded needles hunting out their next “witch” victim. “. . . we’re all screwed if our current charted course holds . . .” That’s the idea. Yes. A boot… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . decided years later to go public . . .”

One of the primary red flags of a witch hunt picking out and mobbing a target.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

https://youtu.be/7SwWfDJheRA

They’ve not been shy about their goals. Just their definition of peace, justice and prosperity are different from yours.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Medical Practice: The art of examining, diagnosing and treating patients.
Healthcare: The central authority of herd management.”

That’s why the Insurance companies are buying up healthcare facilities and using the courts to prevent entry of small independent private practice establishments. Once they take over, they control the PCMs. In the insurance business he who controls the PCMs controls the (healthcare) universe.

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