Surrender

Most of my readers are aware of my stand on the myth of male vulnerability. Weakness is not strength, but the Village of the Feminine Imperative, would have us believe that the more a man displays honest signs of vulnerability the more endearing he’ll be to women. The Blue Pill conditions men to believe that crying, or being more emotionally sensitive, or really anything that makes him identify with the feminine in his personal character is a form of this endearing vulnerability that women can (by appealing to equalist reason) be expected to respect in a man. While adopting this mindset may open a man up to ridicule (and unspoken disgust on the part of women), this is not true vulnerability. The Village might try to convince a man he’s being brave by avoiding conventional masculinity, but this emasculating vulnerability is nothing compared to what a man has to lose from real vulnerability.

What I think most men, certainly all Blue Pill men, miss is that the ultimate form of vulnerability a man can engage in is ‘catching feelings’ for, or emotionally investing himself in, any particular woman. And this is especially so if that man’s Blue Pill conditioning makes him oblivious to the risks of that vulnerability.

Nothing leaves a man more vulnerable in life, love, family, career, finances and really power over the direction of his life than to invest himself in a woman. The very act, the very thought, of surrendering his life’s imperative to the trust that a woman wont exercise the unimaginable control and potential for damage she has in his life is a vulnerability no woman will ever recognize or acknowledge; nor will the sacrifices that come from this vulnerability ever be something she has a capacity to appreciate.

Even in the best case scenarios, where a man’s investment is reciprocated, or a somewhat idyllic relationship grows between a man and a woman, such is the state of our modern sexual marketplace that a potential for a man’s ruin still colors that relationship. Our feminine-primary social order has, through legislation and social pretense, made the proposition of any man navigating the sexual marketplace one of inherent vulnerability. Women rarely understand the vulnerability a man is opening himself up to because our social order makes that potential for his harm invisible to her. In fact, if he resists opening himself up to potential ruin he’s considered to be insecure, and this in turn is attributed to his maleness.

I have no doubt there will be women reading this last paragraph and think, “Well, women are putting themselves at risk too, we have to be vulnerable too.” No, you really don’t. Since the beginning of the Sexual Revolution every potential aspect of vulnerability for women in the SMP has been meticulously compensated for, or insured against the worst. Whether that’s the grossly female-weighted divorce and custody laws, or legal abortion, or arbitrary consent laws that only serve women, or the special dispensation for women academically or vocationally, any and all vulnerability risk is mitigated for you. The emotional vulnerability you believe is so costly pales in comparison to the risk and consequences that vulnerability represents to men. Men commonly have more to risk, more to lose and invest more of themselves into that risk proposition.

True vulnerability, the kind that opens you up to life-destroying consequences, is when a man’s idealism for women, despite knowing all the very likely, very destructive, consequences is something he willfully ignores. For a Blue Pill man, his vulnerability is rarely ever recognized. Thanks to his life-long preconditioning he believes in a romanticism that insulates him from ever acknowledging the risks and the all-downside potential of that vulnerability. This obliviousness – keeping a Beta-in Waiting blind – is a primary goal of Blue Pill conditioning.

Idealizing Surrender

Women would rather be objectified than idealized. The reason for this really gets back to evolved gender differences; women want a man who other men want to be and other women want to fuck. In other words, women want to be the object of desire of a worthy man. When a man surrenders himself to the primacy of the feminine, when he makes a woman his mental point of origin, when he alters the course of his life to accommodate her, that’s when he ceases to be someone for whom she’ll willingly submit to. When she becomes his center he knowingly surrenders Frame.

It is, however, the innate idealism that predisposes men to outward thinking, to the belief in what could be realized, that also predisposes them to idolizing women on whole and idolizing a woman at once. A man’s idealism makes a lot of things possible for him, but it also puts him at terrible risk with regard to being truly vulnerable. Furthermore, men’s fundamental romantic nature is also attributed to our innate what-is-possible idealism. The Feminine Imperative has used this idealism to its benefit for millennia, but the most common (seemingly sensible) utility of it results in men’s surrender of self to the feminine.

When we read through the romantic poetry of the ages – almost all of it written by men – the most common reoccurring theme is that of a helpless ‘surrender’ to the love a man bears for a woman. From Ovid to Shakespeare to Byron the dialog and sentiment is the same; that of the inherent ‘correctness’ of a man surrendering his soul to the love – requited or not – of a woman. If there is a psychological root to the disorder of ONEitis it can be found in this poetic idealism.

However, there is nothing that makes a man more vulnerable to a woman, to the feminine, than his idealist’s nature. The Feminine Imperative knows this thumbscrew of men. One hallmark of the conditioned Beta mind is an eagerness to put themselves into a state of surrender to the feminine. I go into this a bit in Pre-Whipped:

These are the men I call pre-whipped; men so thoroughly conditioned, men who’ve so internalized that conditioning, that they mentally prepare themselves for total surrender to the Feminine Imperative, that they already make the perfect Beta provider before they even meet the woman to whom they’ll make their sacrifice.

But what should predispose men to so eagerly want this surrender? Certainly there’s an element of a (false) belief in the possibility of a mutual concept of love between that man and a (potential) woman. It’s what he believes should be possible.

What else? There’s the pre-conditioned belief that this surrender is his masculine duty. Countless Blue Pill pastors make a living belaboring the narrative that men can’t be Men until they mold themselves over the course of a lifetime to be a (once convenient) a woman’s ideal. Literally, manhood is denied to him until he surrenders to the feminine.

The Family Alpha made this observation last week:

Many men have given the power over their inner self entirely to the women of their lives.

While I completely agree, what I’m wondering is why this need to surrender self is an intrinsic aspect in men? The majority of men (80% Betas) are pre-whipped to expect a need to surrender to the women in their lives. Their abdication is so matter of fact that it becomes something subconscious for them.

Is this a characteristic that separates Betas from Alphas? I’d like to think so, but then a distinction needs to be made between being a Strong Independent Alpha who lives up to a positive, pro-social, conventionally masculine role (despite a world arrayed against it) and the same who, though still respectively Alpha, surrenders his sense of self to the woman he idolizes.

SFC Ton had a great comment about this surrender:

“Women do not really have more power……The first step is to realize that this is indeed the case. Men cede power. Men are taught to cede power. Men look for opportunities to cede power. Women just take advantage of men’s largess. A man does not have to be full on Alpha to get this, or to use it to his best advantage in life.”

One thing to consider is how much power have men ceded and to what effect. The surrender is real, both individually and socially. Reclaiming the power ceded in that surrender will be fought in many different scopes. In The Family Alpha’s article, the concern is two fold: the ceding of a man’s inner self, the surrender of identity to the approval of the feminine, and what the consequences are for men once they reclaim or recreate an identity apart from what he allowed the feminine to create for him.

This a significant thing to ponder for men. One reason I believe men become so despondent, so nihilistic, after some trauma that shook them into Red Pill awareness is that their identity, their sense of self, was a result of this ceding of power to women. They literally do not know what to make of themselves once they are cut free from that paradigm, but moreover they must confront the fact that who they are now (at the time of their unplugging) is, in large part, due to that self-surrender. Prior to their unplugging this surrender may have been involuntary for them, but still perhaps not. Their vulnerability and the true potential of permanent damage from it is put out in the open for them and others to realize.

It’s easy to think of men having difficulty getting over their Exes as in some way damaged. Family Alpha’s point was to encourage men to get back on the horse and back in the game and be competitive again, and that’s what I believe is most beneficial for these men. I also believe that it does men no service to prolong feeling sorry for themselves, but again, that’s part of the process of recreating a man. The risk then becomes a sort of new surrender wherein men drop out and isolate themselves aways from the system that held them and caused them to believe in, and then confront the consequences of their first vulnerability and surrender to the feminine. Isolation becomes their new form of surrender.

However, it’s also important that they recognize the potential for damage that surrendering, that ceding power, to the feminine represents to them. Red Pill aware men should acknowledge that their real vulnerability will be implied in any relationship they enter into beyond a perfunctory pump & dump. That knowledge should be a source of power that prevents them from overextending themselves once again into surrender to the feminine. They are aware now and that awareness now implies a responsibility to it. It demands that they keep their heads out of the sand and make calculated risks according to that awareness.

Your new Red Pill self has no more excuses of ignorance – your life’s been handed back to you with the full knowledge of the system you’re a part of.

No surrender.

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anon
anon
5 years ago

IOW…they want to turn physicians into employees, not employers.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

yep anon, control the paycheck is a proven way to control the person

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“…they want to turn physicians into employees, not employers.”

The wheels turn in strange circles. The AMA was founded to prevent doctors from becoming employees of group health plans, but in order to accomplish this they ceded some regulatory control to government.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

There is o right wing in the usa unless you’re dumb enough to think the gop is right wing and if you are you have bigger problems then politics

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” There is o right wing in the usa unless you’re dumb enough to think the gop is right wing and if you are you have bigger problems then politics ”

Amen.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Addendum: “. . . group health plans . . .”

And these were the first form of medical insurance. A fraternal organization or company would hire a young, inexperienced doctor for a decent, but not excessive, living salary, and for a nominal annual fee (no more than a day’s wages for a broom pusher) a member had a family doctor.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“There is o right wing in the usa unless you’re dumb enough to think the gop is right wing . . .”

Republicanism is by its original definition left wing. American republicanism was already decades old before the left-right terms came into being – in France. What relevance the politics of the French Revolution have ever had to the USA political scene is a good question.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

It literally is some poor guy losing his career because some women he hit on (and who rejected him) decided years later to go public, because “OMG, he touched my leg [not the inflammatory word “grabbed” in the allegations] – he needs to have his life destroyed” If I’ve learned my red pill realities, this man would have had no trouble if he had been a desirable alpha male, and the story would not have happened. Since most men are not desirable alpha males, this tactic for bringing men down has and will spread. See any current university campus for… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kfg And these were the first form of medical insurance. In some towns you can still find the remains of the fraternal org system. Mining towns may still have a retirement home for Eagles or Masons. Hospitals still have names reflecting the voluntary past. All of those volundary, fraternal, paternal systems got seriously damaged in the last depression of the 1930’s, and just about killed by the inflation that began in the 1960’s. I have an older book of equations that includes how to set up a sinking fund. Pensions, hospitals, etc. ran for decades on sinking funds. However, the… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

kfg, interesting about the AMA. I didn’t know that. Just to elaborate, a friend who is a pathologist recently tried to set up his own practice. That is where I learned the insurance companies are buying out the clinics and in the process of creating de facto monopolies. This is inherently anti-competition…the private practices can’t even get set up, let alone compete. In the very short term that might lower cost a small percentage, but they do it by controlling the primary care providers who make the referrals. He was eventually able to establish a practice, but the only way… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@anon

Pathology “practices” are typically medical labs. I think that pathologists can still start their own labs. Then they need to get in at hospitals, which can be problematic.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Rollo

One of my comments with multi links was filtered.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

However bad things are for Osca and other menr, it could be worse. The old saw, “Had no shoes, felt sorry for myself, met a man with no feet..” sort of applies.

The site Vox recently puked up a long article on how unjust it is that trannies who have been cheered by the alternative community somehow don’t get anyone to bed them. Looking at the pix I am surely mystified. Talk about 1st world problems…

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/people-who-dont-identify-as-a-man-or-woman-want-to-know-why-isnt-anyone-hooking-up-with-me/

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. but, free market(s)

http://politicalmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/trump-bribe.jpg

I remember learning in elementary school that monopolies were a bad thing. It was even on our tests.

You can’t break up monopolies now because a) money and b) lobbyist and c) political machinery. The rules have gone out the window a while ago, We The People are kinda slow to catch up.

How did ” healthcare ” manage to eat up 18-19% of GDP???

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Pathology “practices” are typically medical labs.”

Yes, they usually are. I worked in a medical lab once, for a pathologist, as a clinical chemist.
A lot has changed with diagnostic testing since then and I’m not educated enough on the matter to know how his practice would work. I didn’t inquire, I’m just relaying it as he explained it to me.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@ Oscar C. “I miss being a kid and worrying about higher things.”

Me to. But I do find some time to be a kid at least a little each week.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Ton There is o right wing in the usa unless you’re dumb enough to think the gop is right wing and if you are you have bigger problems then politics GOP is not a right wing label, but Trump is a little right wing compared with shitlibs like Schumer and Pelosi @anon I’ve seen medical partnerships sell out to insurance medical holding companies…it’s the way things are going…we need serious anti-trust action against medical and health insurance companies like Aetna and the rest. Break them up. Lots of docs won’t take new Medicare/Medicaid patients because the limit on costs is… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@ dr. Zipper My income rose by exactly what it previously costed to lavish me with benefits. I’ve chosen a lot less benefits, most I didn’t use. For example, my cadillac health coverage was great, for the 20% who consume 80% of the premiums. If Obamacare hadn’t extinguished the individual coverage…whatever…fuck it, I make more than my intelligence, temperament deserves. I’m still ahead though and the administrative hassle factor vanished. Piece of mind. They chase me. I sit carefree lately, spending my food stipend on craft beer opening women. Wierd being anonymous. On my deathbed I’ll be happy I did… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

I’ve been around enough csmpaigns, regionally and above to know the foot soldiers of the GOP are solid people, generally. Catagorically I haven’t met a anticommunist “Kennedy Democrat” in 25 years. My lifelong friends, confirmation sponsors were Democrats, until they had a signed Dubya pictue on there fridge. I vaguely inquired, Mrs. Sponsor was irked I brought it up as she was busted….their kids are conservative too. Good enough for me.

We focus on what we see in the now. Political, social myopia. Change is happening, keep your options open, powder dry.

anon
anon
5 years ago

Blaximus: ”As far as illegal immigration is concerned, here’s some red pill thought: who is hiring and paying millions of undocumented workers in the u.s.??? Illegals aren’t exporting jobs in pursuit of virtually tax free profits. Illegals aren’t destroying and raiding pensions. Illegals aren’t manipulating markets, controlling interest rates, lobbying for business friendly legislation. Illegals don’t control banks and didn’t crash the economy by manipulation of the housing market.” Things are connected. (copying something I read elsewhere, these are not my words but I agree with them): “Businesses that cannot find Americans to do jobs at minimum wage need to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@AR: ” . . . the equation only works if the value of the “money” is a constant. That hasn’t been true . . .” . . . since ’64. ’65 is the year the money died. Yeah, the shenanigans started well before that, but the money was at least still alive, even if it was breathing a bit heavy. “Now, I’m finding doctors who will accept cash at a discount for many services . . .” Ahhhh, I’ve been waiting to hear reports of that. The trick to that is . . . ASD: “Lots of docs won’t take… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Eh It depends on where one lives. I’m turning 56 soon, and I’ve not met any communist types in that timeframe. I get the whole ” dangerous liberal ” thing on it’s face, but I think it blinds a lot of people to proper identification of the real problem(s). I don’t know if Jamie Diamond or Janet Yellen are communists, but they sure have a hand in the fucktardedness . Neither of them are flaming libtards either. Lol. My conservative family and friends are solid folks as well, but they have a nasty tendency to tow the party line… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Agreed about the wall anon

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Blaximus: ” . . .they have a nasty tendency to tow the party line no matter how shitty it is. Ditto for my democrat acquaintances. People seem to think it’s the same as supporting a sports team or something.”

Exactly. And all the political labels, which used to stand for particular platforms and ideologies, are now just the names of teams. Democrats can be anti-democratic, Republicans can be socialists, Progressives can be regressive, etc.

War is peace, Brother.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Blaximus – AMEN dude. I don’t really post about politics here (I barely have enough time to keep up with the RP/Game stuff) but that’s my biggest issue with politics these days – it’s become a tribal thing or like supporting your NBA team no matter what. Not much in the way of actually looking at each issue on a case by case basis (even if you end up agreeing with one side 70% of the time or whatever) – too much effort for brain to engage – easier to stick with heuristics of “my side good other side bad”… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@blax

Yeah. I get it.

Politics is like sports; it’s inconsequential…until loved ones tart dying.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

P.S.

“Can everyone be put out of work and into debtors prison?”

Yes. They’ll call them something else, but what they are is work camps. The “Salt Mines.”

“Or we can all wise the fuck up, pay closer attention and throw these sniveling asswipes out of office.”

Too late. It’s all broken beyond peaceable repair. The only way to deal with the unpayable debt, for instance, is to do away with the creditor.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kfg

. . . since ’64. ’65 is the year the money died.

Let me introduce you to some of my late relatives. One of them kept a business alive through the 1930’s, and actually had some gold that he was forced to sell to the government. Guess what he thought of FDR? He could tell you when “money” died as far as he was concerned.

The money has been sick since a certain creature was manufactured on Jekyl Island.
Andrew Jackson was right about the national bank.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ anon That bit you posted mirrors my thoughts exactly. It’s pretty clear what’s actually happening, but the pols and business leaders have alternative facts that most people just buy wholesale. In 1980 I earned about 250 dollars a week after taxes. Gas cost about 1.05 cents a gallon, my car insurance ( mandatory ) was around 120 bucks a year, and my rent was a cool 225 bucks. I managed to put something away in savings monthly, and I did everything I wanted to do. And I was 19. But wages have not kept up with expenses. Last time… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Living wage…what is that exactly?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“One of them kept a business alive through the 1930’s, and actually had some gold that he was forced to sell to the government.” My grandfather kept a very large for the time chicken farm (flock of thousands) alive into the Depression, lost it all to the Great Hurricane of ’38, and built it back up again from scratch, during the Depression. My introduction to what was going on with the money was provided by him. He had a bedroom dresser with a glass top, under which he kept various paper mementos. One of those was a $100 gold certificate.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ kfg

Everyone I’d ever shown Eisenhower’s speech to had never heard it prior.

It seems quaint now, a president actually being presidential and doing something to better the nation as a whole. Every day I drive on an interstate ( and they are falling apart because… no money(?) ).

Thanks Ike!!!!

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

P.S. again:

But there was still intrinsic value coinage until ’65. They couldn’t run the printing presses full time while that was still around, because anyone could walk into a bank with their paper notes and demand silver for them. The aforementioned inflation of the 60’s was a consequence of removing the brake by confiscating the silver coinage.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” Andrew Jackson was right about the national bank.”

damn straight he was!!!! … and I’m not even a fan of Mr. Jackson.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Everyone I’d ever shown Eisenhower’s speech to had never heard it prior.”

Note that he made it as his farewell speech. And note that Kennedy made his “Secret Society” speech while sitting his first term and a shoe in for a second.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ kfg

I’d really have liked to have seen what would’ve happened if Kennedy’s exec order/silve certificate deal would have been allowed to survive his death.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

And note that a brand new element of The Narrative has recently appeared “out of nowhere”:

Andrew Jackson was the worst President in history.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

“…And note that Kennedy made his “Secret Society” speech while sitting his first term and a shoe in for a second.”

Of course, Donald Trump has read Kennedy’s speech. It’s apparent in his relationship with the intelligence community and the press.

Lmao.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@anon

The wall is the biggest con Trump ever ran.

the wall’s name is Fear…actually, it’s causing millions of illegals to leave the U.S., voluntarily, so it’s more like a deporter (as opposed to a Star Trek transporter)

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. backwards is a direction too I guess.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

”As far as illegal immigration is concerned, here’s some red pill thought: who is hiring and paying millions of undocumented workers in the u.s.???

Blue Pill distraction using Blue Pill terminology like “undocumented workers”

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blaximus

…. backwards is a direction too I guess.

if you’re heading towards the edge of a cliff you need to continue to make progress

Progressives are lemmings

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ asd

My point still stands, bulletproof and glistening in the sunlight.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ asd

” Progressives are lemmings ”

Yeah, but the Cowboys are going to the Superbowl this year for sure. The Patriots suck donkey ass.

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

Fiat, it’s not just a car company.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

There is a lot to admire and dislike about Jackson

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@kfg ASD: “Lots of docs won’t take new Medicare/Medicaid patients . . .” Because if you do, you can’t legally take less from any patient than you bill Medicare/Medicaid. That has been ruled as defrauding the Federal government. docs continue to treat their previous medicare patients, but they won’t take new medicare patients…medicare payments constitute a baseline for charges…patients can be charged MORE than Medicare, but not less, unless records aren’t kept of transactions…hospital execs have gone to prison for charging some patients less than Medicare…patients ask hospitals to give them a discount, but if hospitals give a discount, the… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@anon

I had a similar idea to Trump’s…put a bounty on illegal immigrants and do away with INS…illegals would make a beeline to go back home on their own dime…we wouldn’t even have to be too strict with enforcement because it would be a con

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

I’m an old FIAT fan (and I assume there are at least two more, somewhere) and I was interested when they announced that the new FIAT 500 was going to be available in the US.

And then I found out that the FIAT 500 was a fiat FIAT.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

Yep, bulletproof

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

A 19 year old guy has zero hope of being able to financially fend for himself today, and that points to something being very, very wrong.

such utter tripe…the U.S. is still loaded with opportunity

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Eh

Living wage…what is that exactly?

it’s what teens should be paid to flip burgers for a summer job

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Who rules you? Those you, I can’t criticize. Destroy the patriarchical history to rewite it.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-orleans-tears-down-controversial-confederate-monuments-180963023/

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@anon

Yes, they usually are. I worked in a medical lab once, for a pathologist, as a clinical chemist.

me too…our test tubes were made out of rock

anon
anon
5 years ago

“me too…our test tubes were made out of rock”

LOL Did you copy notes on your i-stone? 😀
I had the toughest time with dirt.
The other elements….wind, fire, water were pretty standard.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@asd

LOL bro!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-orleans-tears-down-controversial-confederate-monuments-180963023/ http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2275290.1435607835!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/emojis30n-4-web.jpg I don’t really give any fucks about confederate monuments being anywhere outside of public/govt buildings, but even then if it’s a memorial to fallen confederate soldies, I don’t see any issue with that t all. My ancestral home in Virginia has a statue in memorium to the fallen sons of the confederacy smack dab in front of the courthouse. It’s never bothered me one bit. But the monument in the story above? Not enough information. Was it on city property? did anyone ask that it be taken down, or did the powers that be feel the need to… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

Are you saying that a kid today couldn’t take a junker car and work on it and make it the envy of his friends and sell it for a pretty penny?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Destroy the patriarchical history to rewite it.”

Statuary rape culture.

And maybe it’s just me, but I have a hard time trusting any doctor with a %100 patient mortality rate.

Don’t worry, as long as no one brings up violas I’m all out of material.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . violas . . .”

Oh, hey. Would you look at that, someone brought up violas:

Q:Which burns longer, a violin or a viola?
A: I don’t know. I’ve never burned a violin.

Q:What’s the difference between an onion and a viola?
A:Nobody cries when you cut up a viola.

Q:What’s the difference between a trampoline and a viola?
A:You take your shoes off the jump on a trampoline.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I’m saying that the opportunities aren’t what they were, even when I was a 1 year old. 4 hours a week can still leave you unable to pay the high prices. 1 paycheck covered my rent, with a few bucks left over. Today, for that same apt, a 19 year old would need to be making 1000 bucks a week to be in the same position that I was. That 120 dollar yearly insurance bill is now 2 -3,000 dollars. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ asd, I’m not sure where you live that everything’s the same and bootstraps are all that’s needed. I’m not… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

… Damn keyboard-

” I’m saying that the opportunities aren’t what they were, even when I was a 19 year old. 40 hours a week can still leave you unable to pay the high prices. “

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

If we can agree that the relationship landscape has changed, why is the economic landscape changing so difficult to grasp?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Fees and paperwork and certifications…. I didn’t have to do any of that shit.”

Its the changes in the regulatory landscape that have been the real killer to youth industriousness. That’s the real driver of the black economy. So, yeah, there’s opportunity, so long as you aren’t too fussy about legality.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

* old man voice *

Back in my day sonny, you could buy this for 100 bucks

http://media.motortopia.com/files/28465/vehicle/4d4b5e9209c7a/0109111340.jpg

And turn it into this with blood, sweat, tears and a couple of thousand –

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/02/full-295-2823-1970_gsx_yellow_005.jpg

Just let the buyer know that it’s a clone.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
5 years ago

I am surprised that no one has addressed this! —– BAND CAMP SFC Ton 06/24 9PM One of guys in a bounding fire team took a 5.56 round through the upper back… …Of the two guys left, one wasn’t a good enough shot to hit a moving, man sized target at 500 meters away under low light conditions and one guy was shit canning his old lady becuase she was fucking the dude who took the round through his upper back. Everyone in the platoon know who and why, no one said shit. I am 100% certain Joddie thought banging… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

I saw one of these Sypders recently, probably snuck across some border.

https://www.fiatcanada.com/en/spider/

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@If When others, myself included, said cut her loose financially and ghost her, this was viewed by many as being stuck in the Anger Phase and being an example of gamma rage. That’s not how I remember it. I also said that the beta should Next her. Before, we break into differentiating the situation by Aussie Bathroom Slut was not married and Sniper’s Wife was married, I would remind everyone that we just had a wall of text saying that hypergamy doesn’t care. I don’t remember giving a fuck about hypergamy excusing a woman breaking marital vows or a man… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

… Damn keyboard-
” I’m saying that the opportunities aren’t what they were, even when I was a 19 year old. 40 hours a week can still leave you unable to pay the high prices. “

It was funnier the first time.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

If I Fell “It is not, at all, the alpha virtues of Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor that SJF quotes from Donovan’s book.” Virtues or vices? In whose service lay the answer. Fraser covered all this in the Flashman series. White Knights gonna WK… Just tonight… Walked into a hotel bar around 9. Some sales group there. Very annoyingly loud and salesy and 95% doods… One 7 say 27 to 33 blonde. If you’ve been around sales you’ve seen her. Drinker… One of the boys types… But yet a woman. Anyhow she gives me major eyes… But from her perch… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

I’m not 19 anymore, but I can still see that young men are getting royally fucked over.

young natural born (ht kfg) men

Lots of transfer of wealth to the elites…academia, govt. hacks, Goldman Sachs and others who live off the Fed. Reserve, City Bank who lives off of student loans, people who make their living off of govt. grants, artists funded by govt. grants, PBS, NPR, the media because of all the Trump witch-hunting, Hollywood, corporations that hire illegal immigrants

it’s tougher now for everyone

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Sentient

I am just saying “come with me” and closing up to her when Sir Lancelot comes puffing out yelling “Mary Beth! Mary Beth! Are you OK!”

“She’s fine…we’re going to get a drink elsewhere.” as you turn her away from WK

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Too fluid… Lest it’s a tug o war.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@AR:

Yeah, 124 Spiders were my particular weakness. The new one loses something in the translation, especially around the tail which has become chunky. On the other hand it’s a reskinned Miata, not a Dodge made in Mexico, so it’s got that going for it, which is nice.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
5 years ago

@ theasdgamer

So, are you arguing that murder of a member of the tribe is justified by him banging the wife of another member of the tribe? There would be a lot of dead men in that tribe.

I don’ t believe that is a lack of understanding of male group dynamics to imagine that being a brother/friend/tribe member of the murdered man and sitting down to chow with the murderer who is also a brother/friend/tribe member might cause some problems. However, I’ll defer to SFC Ton and other men who have lived in that situation.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
5 years ago

RE: EhIntellect June 25th, 3pm

“When the ship foundered, the soldiers’ commander told his men to ‘stand fast!’ and allow women and children to make use of the few lifeboats on the vessel.

We will know that men have truly attained their mental point of origin, when in this situation, the alpha men take control of the lifeboats and Mr. Hoyt tells Mrs. Hoyt he will miss her but will name after her the first child he fathers from one of the fertile “women who have not known a man” that the alpha men are taking with them.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ If Hypergamy aside, one of the downsides to banging a married chick is that there is a chance that it might just cost you. Big time. I don’t even have a problem with that at all. Roll the dice. Our previous conversation was totally different because the woman was not the wife, nor gf of Aussie dude. He had no claim legal or otherwise. He had no right, except whatever he was capable of realistically enforcing, which it appears was zero. He’d be a dumb fuck if he’d take action, offensive action because a chick he was sweet on,… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago


I know blue pill alphas have been alluded to several times. But I honestly believe there are no blue pill alphas. If an alpha changes his mindset and assumes a bluepill outlook to life he immediately becomes beta. The female lizard brain will ping this off him and will react accordingly. It pays to be coherent on some of these basics. Incoherence makes for good reason to dismiss an arguement. I wish we would not muddy up the waters.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

He had it coming becuase he broke trust with a man who shared life and death situations with.

It’s bear on as low as one can go in that life.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Also how smart is it to fuck a guys wife when his profession is to solve all of life’s problems with violence not to mention the intangibles of the situation

It’s Donavans way of men lived out nearly every day and not in the theoretical chatting on the interwebz sort of way

cheupez
5 years ago

@SFC Ton Not sure why but it appears there is something about being married to a soldier that makes her wanna put out to guys out there. I think it has something to do with the excitement that the magnitude of danger and risk involved triggers. In my life only two married women have directly hit on me (overtly and categorically asked for sex), both being wives of soilders in active duty. Strange that one of the ladies refers to her hubby as “The Lion”. She was very persistent. I hit it. And ran away. She still keeps beaming further… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

“I find it troubling that the platoon obstructed the investigation.”

ROFLOL

anon
anon
5 years ago

If-I-Fell, just reading that one sentence I would question your decisions on all matters.

Even the leader who ordered the investigation (assuming he is any real leader at all) doesn’t want them to find anything. He had no option but to investigate, and if they find something he would have to do something….and whatever he would do would harm the unit.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Strange that one of the ladies refers to her hubby as “The Lion”.

Maybe she wants you to call her a cougar.
Cougar being a mtn lion.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
5 years ago

The point was the gamma rage response to commit murder. The wronged man from Ton’s description was already in the process of divorcing his unfaithful wife. We have had similar arguments concerning SJWs wanting the death penalty for rapists. The argument against is that the death penalty is not a proportional response to the crime. @ Blaximus My dad always preached the wisdom of keeping it zipped. @ Cheupez I believe that Rollo’s essay clearly establish that Alpha/Beta and Red Pill/Blue Pill are independent concepts. He has made the point that a man may perform acts of unbelievable heroism on… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“Also, since when is it not, even in the case of marital infidelity, considered an act of extreme cowardice to shoot a man in the back?”

Extreme or not, he’s still dead. Sex is powerful, The law be damned.

Two points to Dalrock’s Titanic post:

1. Ride or die girls exist.

2. Overvaluing women’s lives killed a lot more passengers.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

If-I-Fell

Fight on!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Death penalty? Lol. What I do know for an absolute fact is that if a man, any man, commits the ” crime ” of breaking into my home and property, it’s pretty much guaranteed that a death sentence will be carried out against him. That’s why I have an alarm system. I’m trying to give the criminal a moment to save his life. @ If Question for you out of my own curiosity – have you ever been involved in any kind of serious violence, where ‘ serious ‘ means somebody is going to the ICU or the morgue? There… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@If

“Also, since when is it not, even in the case of marital infidelity, considered an act of extreme cowardice to shoot a man in the back?”

I used to think that way, back when I was 12.

If I had an overwhelming urge to kill someone very dangerous–say in self defense where I knew they planned to kill me, I’d do it by surprise, having isolated them, in the back. I’d do my best to make sure they had no chance. But I’m a sneaky fucker.

I have zero fucks to give if anyone thinks I’m a coward.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

On sex, murder, vengeance, the law, justice, brotherhood:

Drew: IT IS A MATTER OF THE LAW!
Lewis: The law? Ha! The law?! What law?! Where’s the law, Drew? Huh? You believe in democracy, don’t ya?
Drew: Yes, I do.
Lewis: Well then, we’ll take a vote. I’ll stand by it and so will you.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwigsd3UpePUAhVK6IMKHb42BkkQtwIIPTAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiBSRk-DbhRw&usg=AFQjCNFQwLrJ82awQu4tl2xfE7BvzRmRuw

When your life is on the line…shoot first…fuck cowardice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7lFghO6AE

On cowardice…term’s used routinely after suicide bombings, knifing, mall shootings.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/london-bridge-attack/london-s-mayor-says-we-will-never-let-these-cowards-n768001

It’s a term used to keep us defenseless, duped to a “strength of ideas” over strength through killing your enemy.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

Does the oft-quoted, overused saying “All is fair and love and war” apply here? Anything else is based on trust.

And that’s the rub… this ‘trust’ may or may not be explicitly known by all parties. Remember those ‘implied (social) contracts’ where one party doesn’t necessarily know they’re in a contract of sorts? People have all kinds of expectations of others, with varying degrees of validity.

So context is king on these subjective matters. To me, there is no *right* answer… just one of those things in life.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“since when is it not considered an act of extreme cowardice to shoot a man in the back?” When he’s the type of guy whom you’d never say that to his face. “Agree and amplify—I think the whole platoon was ruined no matter the course of action.” Their job is to watch each other’s back when shit hits the fan. Their lives all depend on a bond of trust in life and death, really exigent conditions. The guy who violated that trust in a very personal way is gone and everyone else in that group has kept the trust. Sounds… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Agree. It ain’t really about her.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“The bushmaster isn’t for squirrels.”

Right. It’s for prairie dogs.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

:

Babe Ruth never argued that the wall should be closer and shorter.

cheupez
5 years ago

@If-I-Fell Rollo has given me an understanding of inter-gender dynamics I could never have imagined possible. Not that I was an incel before coming in here, no. Before I came in here, I was some sort of amateur PUA without even realizing that I was a PUA. I clubbed, searched for and screwed women. I even had a blog to recount my escapades. I did it coz I luv me some pussy. But even coming from that kind of place, after reading year one stuff, I realised I knew nothing. I am what I am to women today because of… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

“Babe Ruth never argued that the wall should be closer and shorter.”

but his fans sure did ha!

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