The Utility of Beta Men – Part I

This week my fellow 21 Convention speaker and good friend Goldmund posted a very poignant essay about his experience stealing a girl away from her Blue Pill orbiter for a same night lay. I’ll paraphrase a bit of it here as I riff on it, but do click over to his blog and read the entire exchange.

Before I do though, let me first begin by stating that I have been the Blue Pill orbiter Goldmund describes here. I think too many readers seem to think I write from some position of Alpha authority; as if I’ve always been the lesser Alpha I am today. I’m sorry if this disillusions anyone, but I’ve run the gamut from being a well-conditioned Blue Pill Beta, to being a verified-by-social proof rock star Alpha, to dropping almost into an Omega status with a BPD girlfriend, to maturing into a Red Pill aware, lesser Alpha I would humbly think of myself as today.

A lot of critics, and even a handful of Red Pill men I know, have a real tough time with what they believe are arbitrary terms – Alpha, Beta, Omega, Blue/Red Pill, etc. – but let me reiterate here that these terms have always been abstracts. They are placeholder words for larger ideas, not binary definitions. A lot of critics also, erroneously, believe that Blue Pill, Beta, Omega, White Knight, etc. are some dismissive insult to end a conversation with, rather than, again, the abstract terms used to describe a man’s condition. I’ve made it clear in prior posts that being Beta or Blue Pill isn’t a life sentence, and neither should it merit our scorn beyond the ignorance that man happens to be a subject of.

I’m prefacing this here because sometimes it’s hard to look at ourselves, or our past selves, from the perspective of a guy who is enduring the same Blue Pill conditioned delusions we had. The Blue Pill orbiter’s role in Goldmund’s story here is a guy I’m sure most Red Pill men can somewhat empathize (if not sympathize) with because they were this guy also. They made the same decisions based on the same foolish Blue Pill preconceptions about women, and due to the same ignorance and lack of any Red Pill awareness we once had. So in this respect, try to understand the following from an objective perspective of what it was like to be that ‘hopeless Blue Pill orbiter’ basing decisions on old books social understanding.

To outline the story briefly, Goldmund was invited to socialize with a friend and what he’d thought was a couple; a nice looking 23 year old woman and her dutiful Beta ‘pseudo-husband’ (edited for content):

It was Sunday evening, the weather was pleasant, and being around a group of great guys who were eager to learn had me in extra fine spirits. A text came in from a friend who said he was hosting some people from out of town and wanted me to join them all for dinner. I met them at a restaurant and sat down to eat.

At first I thought the two attractive people he was hosting were a couple. They were both from Australia and sitting next to each other at the table. I noticed that the guy was catering to the girl, not standing his ground in conversation, and ended up paying for her.

After dinner we all went to a bar where a band was playing, the girl came over to me and we started to chat. I immediately asked her “so, is that your husband?” and she responded with “oh, no, he’s just a friend” and gave a hungry ‘save me’ look.

[…] The Australian guy stood next to the girl while I walked closer to the front, and after the first song, I looked back and waved her over. She came right away and the guy glared at me like I was Satan.

She stood right in front of me and began dancing a little. While I rubbed my crotch on her wiggling ass, my hands went to her hips, then felt up her flat stomach before caressing her big boobs.

I said into her ear, “I’m going to take you on a date right now” and she looked back and smiled.

At this point you can probably see where this is going. One thing I think is very important to point out here is that Beta male orbiters of most stripes can simultaneously end up being their own worst enemies while reinforcing the Alpha impression of his sexual competitors. In most cases, that orbiter’s status is set in woman’s hindbrain and as such any other man’s status whom she happens to encounter is measured against his. Game savvy men should (usually do) know that Beta orbiters are an opportunity to establish an implied social proof. Orbiters actually strengthen your Game and SMV because of his baseline status and subconscious comparing of Hypergamous options.

Women want men who other men want to be and other women want to fuck. Whether it’s actually true or not, to a woman’s mind, her impression of your orbiter’s status means you are a man who wants to be like the competing Alpha – the guy who she and other women want to fuck.

In most instances there’s no real reason to AMOG an orbiter. We’ll get to this in a bit, but understand now that most orbiters are unwitting volunteers in aiding a Red Pill, Game aware, man boost his signal, so to speak, by complaining, doubting and criticizing the efficacy (or ethics) of it. In doing so, his less (or non) competitive status is also reinforced with every positive response a woman returns for that Red Pill awareness.

Remember, stay objective here, focus on what’s transpiring and why it’s working. Whether you’re the Blue Pill orbiter or the Red Pill seducer in a scenario like this, the real education comes from observing the process.

Goldmund continues:

We went to the back of the venue, and my friend came up to me and said “hey man, listen, that guy is really upset that you are hitting on the girl”.

“Well she surely isn’t going to fuck him, they aren’t together”

“Yeah, but he paid for her to come out to New York [from Australia], and last night, he told her that he loved her”

I couldn’t help but burst out laughing.

While this conversation was going on, the guy went up to the girl and begged her not to leave with me. At this point, I despised him, especially after my friend informed me that he had referred to me as ‘a creepy predator’, and wanted to teach him a lesson that stung. Especially since he was taller, better looking, and much more arrogant than me.

Right about here you’ll probably have a real tough time with the ethics of this scenario, but lets run down a few of the facts we know at this stage. First, ‘Pseudo-Husband’ is now the kind of Beta who pays for non-interested, or semi-interested women to go on international trips with him. This in itself is material for an entire post, but any Red Pill aware guy knows the mindset of the Beta sexual resource exchange – also known as the Savior Schema.

Just as an aside, I think this schema becomes all the more interesting when you account for the Sugar Babies companionship/sex dynamic going on today. It might be easy to think a Sugar Daddy paying for a woman’s exclusive attention would simply vote that girl off the island by closing his wallet, but when you mix pride, alcohol, Beta Game and expectation-but-not-expectation of sex with a Sugar Baby, well, that can make for a very volatile outcome. There’s a certain expectation of ROI when you pay for a woman’s international vacation.

Obviously Goldmund’s approach shifts at this stage, but, being the seasoned seduction artist he is, he has more than enough intel on the guy and IOIs from the girl to get the lay. At this point I expect Goldmund made it personal, but we’ll discuss this towards the end.

‘Pseudo-Husband’s’ impression of Goldmund as “creepy predator” is another tell as to his Blue Pill conditioned mindset. “Creepy predator” is fem-speak. It’s what I expect to hear come from a woman’s mouth, but when it comes from a man it’s a giveaway as to his conditioning; in this case feminine-primary.

As I’d rather not copy and paste all of Goldmund’s story here, I’ll ask that you read the sexual details on his site. Suffice it to say Goldmund expertly Games this woman and has quick-hit sex with her at the venue they were at. However, to continue with the analysis of this girl’s orbiter, let’s skip ahead to some select quotes:

Her face was red and we had been gone for about 20 minutes, so when we returned to the table, I’m 100% sure that everyone knew what just went down. The guy didn’t say a word while the rest of us chatted about sex over drinks, and when I got up to go home, he didn’t say goodbye. As I was leaving I told my friend to mention The Rational Male to him.

Major lessons found in this one, and they are so clear because a few years ago, I could picture myself being in the loser’s situation (I wouldn’t go so far as to pay for a chick to fly across the world, but I’ve done some extremely pathetic things in attempts to woo girls).

Game taught me that girls are incredibly sexual creatures, love being dirty, think about sex often, need it, and want to get fucked by men who are wild.

I’m sure the Australian guy never thought the girl was capable of having sex in a bar bathroom by a stranger, yet it happened right under his nose. Its hard to think of a bigger example of getting friend-zoned than this guy who had spent 1000s of dollars on the girl to confess his ‘love’ for her, only to be cucked by some Playboy she just met.

I think this is one of the hardest lessons a Blue Pill man has to learn before he understands the importance of being Red Pill aware. Most ‘Nice Guy’ orbiters/friends never really need to be AMOG’d by a sexual rival because they’re ignorant of the nature of Hypergamy. Even the ones who’ve experienced it personally from a woman, or having it flaunted in their face via commercial Open Hypergamy, these men still want their dream girl to somehow be different. Many a White Knight has been knocked from his horse after having the truth of women’s sexual natures viscerally illustrated for him. It’s the guys who go into denial, who fall back on the “Quality Woman” rationale and get back on the white horse who are truly lost.

I’ve been friend-zoned before and remember it being some of the most frustrating, mentally clouding times of my life. This guy was seething with anger so bad, he couldn’t even speak–or attempt to fight. The friend-zone is anguishing. Overcoming it happened when I started reading stories like the one above, started assuming every girl has slutty tendencies and will use weak guys for money, attention, gifts, or whatever it is that they are lacking.

Having your Blue Pill ego-investments dispelled in such a brutal fashion often leads to two types of misdirected anger: anger at the sexual rival who just schooled you in the most personal way about women’s Hypergamous sexual natures, and anger with a woman (or women) who are simply incapable of appreciating, or abiding, by the old social contracts, the old books he believes they ought to be.

This anger is not so much about a loss of investment as it is about a Blue Pill man having his inner world destroyed by outer world facts.

There was a point in my own life when I was something very similar to the Australian guy. I’m glad Goldmund mentioned my site and books to this guy’s friend because I’m still hopeful for men like this. I’ve had a few men in my Red Pill sphere tell me I ought not to care about men who don’t want, or don’t know how, to intrasexually compete; either due to their arrogance or ignorance. But that’s not what my goal is. While I understand that sometimes it’s necessary to Ghost on men at times, that’s never going to be my first impulse.

If the dude was cool about the situation and humble enough to talk to me like an adult about it, I would have gladly given him some advice and probably just got the girls number at some point and arranged to meet her privately.

Ego is the reason most people stay bluepill, you have to be honest with yourself and admit when something is wrong. And then find ways to fix it.

Hypergamy and Evolution want Hoes Before Bros

I understand Goldmund’s sentiment here. About 9 months, maybe a year ago I ran a Twitter poll asking whether it should be considered a Red Pill aware man’s duty to educate Beta men about their Blue Pill beliefs and why it’s the source of a lot of their troubles. For the most part, the consensus was that men should help other guys. That’s encouraging, but it’s also not always advisable. I find it fascinating that despite all of the attraction and arousal Red Pill aware men can knowingly generate in women with Dark Triad personality traits, they still believe they can compartmentalize those traits when it comes to helping their fellow man.

Should Goldmund have backed off this girl out of respect for a man who was obviously trapped in a Blue Pill negative feedback loop with her? Or did he do both him and her a favor?

I’ve personally had one of my best friends bang a girl I was locked in the friendzone with. This was a girl I’d tried for months to get her to sexually respond to my pathetically Blue Pill “I really care” Beta Game. I vividly remember (I was 19) the night I introduced him to her and so began a literal fuck-fest between the two of them that lasted about 2 months after only meeting for an hour that night. It was a hard kick in the teeth to take, one my friend and the girl showed absolutely no remorse or regret for, but it taught me a very valuable lesson. All the bullshit about “bros before hoes” all the idealistic pretty Blue Pill lies I believed about being friends and comfort first before sex went right out the window that week – where they belonged.

Personally it was hard to take, but objectively it was exactly what I needed to experience. I think this is a hard line for even a lot of Red Pill men to really cross today. Granted, I expect Goldmund was really into banging this girl that night more than he wanted to teach this guy some object lesson, but I think it’s going to be a really difficult area for Red Pill guys to sort out for themselves when it comes to “helping” Blue Pill guys unplug.

I’m reminded of the story about the guy who taped the note about banging another guy’s girlfriend under the toilet seat.

What is a Red Pill aware man’s ethical responsibility to Blue Pill men?


This is a two-part series of posts. In the next post I’ll consider how Red Pill men might deal with Blue Pill men in non-sexually competitive situations, and the advantages and dangers you might encounter.

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theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Gregg

Alpha is inherently sexual being, accompanied with psychopatic/narcisistic mind..the same as woman. They resonate together.

so much you know that ain’t so

Blaximus
4 years ago

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…. I didn’t hang panties on my mirror every time….

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Rollo: With respect to the situation Goldmund was in – you are right, he wasn’t ‘friends’ with the Australian guy, and Goldmund has no responsibility towards him. In this situation, the Australian guy got his harsh RP awakening. He will probably live in denial about female nature, hate on Goldmund for a while and forget about Goldmund. He may hate the woman for screwing him over and hopefully in time he will find his way. Most of us have been through a similar situation before our eyes were opened to the truth. I have had women taken from me in… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Gregg

female narcissism is entitled and focused on her appearance

masculinity, which has been erroneously labeled narcissism, is self-reliant, self-confident, and at least a little arrogant

but you’re right, they’re the same thing

not all alphas are psychopathic and neither are all women

but you’re right, alphas and women think the same…they resonate…whatever the hell that means

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@blax

…. I didn’t hang panties on my mirror every time….

…sometimes it was a brassiere

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

: “….some have genital warts”. You sure seem to have quality women in you life.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Blaximus: Well at least take the tag off the panty before you brag that you banged a woman.

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@Incubus – I admire your willingness to stick to your guns but I think you’re misread Blax’s post. It seemed less like bragging and more matter-of-fact “this is what I did back then.” He even mentions youthful exuberance as a factor. Don’t know him personally, but what happened 30 yrs ago can hardly be held as an indicator of what the man is today. @Sentient – I was going to go all homo on you and say that your brief flashes of vulnerability make a lovely contrast to your rock solid alpha frame… my panties are moistening. But you and… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

” But when a friend screws you over and INSULTS YOU AFTER, that is not right, because you will never be able to trust any man again.”

he he hee…..

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Rollo: I have seen a real situation 7 years ago, where I knew two men who were childhood friends and always had each other’s back. One of them was married and was Blue Pilled to the core. He was having problems with his wife, probably her pussy went dry from him putting her on a pedestal. She flirts with her husband’s friend in front of her husband. A fight ensues and the husband gets angry and leaves the scene, only to later find his friend and his wife in bed naked “in his own house”, the friend probably though “why… Read more »

Mike
Mike
4 years ago

SO I feel like I was that guy at one point. I was seeing this girl for a while and somehow we end up running into her “abusive jerk” ex partner (if there is such a thing) basically she gets into an argument with him right then and there and calls him a psychopath and she was like I don’t even text him and he gives me his phone and shows me the text messages from like days before including a selfie that she sent me. He goes as far as telling me that he doesn’t respect her and only… Read more »

The Red Quest
4 years ago

Just as an aside, I think this schema becomes all the more interesting when you account for the Sugar Babies companionship/sex dynamic going on today. It might be easy to think a Sugar Daddy paying for a woman’s exclusive attention would simply vote that girl off the island by closing his wallet, but when you mix pride, alcohol, Beta Game and expectation-but-not-expectation of sex with a Sugar Baby, well, that can make for a very volatile outcome If you mix game and RP awareness, it’s possible to get somewhat better outcomes that are between the continuum of traditional paid sex… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Incubus

“….some have genital warts”. You sure seem to have quality women in you life.

lol, don’t get me started on the ones who need surgery on their anus because of fecal incontinence

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Incubus

Now you’re sounding mentally challenged. No one here has endorsed fucking your friend’s wife or girlfriend. You’re just being dense as fuck. Lol.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Who ever said alphas aren’t productive? Or always non tender hearted?

Sounds like some dipshit is either trolling us or confused as hell

I am digging Morphs advise about banging his oneitis and sending him photos….. anyone here have a hot oneitis chick they ain’t using?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Ton

anyone here have a hot oneitis chick they ain’t using?

I have fifty or so…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Ton

Gregg is buffering his failure to improve himself by dissing men who get laid.

Ragnar
Ragnar
4 years ago

Hi, Rollo I’ve really enjoyed your blog. There’s one topic I would like to get your advice on, maybe in an article sometime. If you’re looking for material. I’ve never really had the results I wanted despite almost completely reinventing myself. I’ve slept with maybe 10 women or so not actually entirely sure. In high school I was very shy and had a bit of a rough childhood. I was more or less forced to face myself because it was less painful than not doing the inner work. I would describe my inner game as almost entirely alpha (honest assessment).… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

Provider vibes.

Nice guy vibes.

Being seen as the BF, rather than the hot lover.

Rudolph
Rudolph
4 years ago

Lots of thoughts on this. Frankly it is a bit of train wreck on where to begin. Let’s start with a play I saw once. Truck driver comes home after being out on the road. Goes through a morning routine with the wife and kids. Then the guy she banged the night before comes out of the bedroom. This is not a particular surprise to the truck driver. It comes to a spot where the two men are left alone. The truck driver had been mostly non-plussed through all of this and the interloper says, “This is all to civilized.”… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago
Reply to  Rudolph

Very good point, Rudolph. As I commented way earlier, it’s surprising that Goldmund didn’t face immediate consequences for his actions that night. But, then again, it’s effete metrosexual/cosmopolitan New Yorkers we’re talking about here; they tried to ‘negotiate’ rather than kicking his ass, or at least kicking his ass out of the group. Not trying to defend the Aussie tool here – he should’ve known better, instinctively… At the least, he should’ve left the venue, taken a cab home, put all her shit in the hallway, and gotten a hotel room for himself. Then the next day, after she didn’t… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

Guys, wtf? What am I missing here? In the Goldmund tale, I can’t see what he did that was ” wrong “. Aussie dude, he just. wasn’t. doing. it. right. Who’s fault is that??? It’s the Aussie. How do you fly a chick thousands of miles, and she bangs somebody else? And whose fault is that???? Question for my fellow commenters: How many of you guys think/believe that a stranger or a friend being interested in a girl ( NOT ACTIVELY DATING OR FUCKING HER ) is reason enough for you to back way off, even when she’s dtf, cute,… Read more »

KarlAnthony
KarlAnthony
4 years ago

Recently found this blog as a 46yr old widowed single parent, just ordered the books from Amazon, looking forward to them.

This post chimes with me, I was on a first date recently when a random stranger appeared and started chatting up my date right in front of me.

How should you handle this situation?

SFC Ton
4 years ago

I would reevualte the assessment of inner alpha if your not damn near knee deep in ass

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Ton

Amen!!!

Blaximus
4 years ago

” But, then again, it’s effete metrosexual/cosmopolitan New Yorkers we’re talking about here….. ”

Lol. You should come visit sometime. I only go to non-effete, non-metrosexual places. We could hang out…..

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

Already ‘there’, Blax. Hit me up – kidjupiter9@gmail.com

Saracen III
Saracen III
4 years ago

@ Incubus_Rising “the cheating friend was right by banging his friend’s wife ..?” Yes. The RP friend is the one who tells husband “My man, you are cruisin’ for a bruisin’. Your wife is going to step out on you, and probably with me. Why? For the drama if if you suck it up, and your paycheck if you protest. I didn’t tell you to marry her and you didn’t ask my permission, so if you take your frustration out on me with a baseball bat for your poor choices and mis-management I’ll put you in the ground and say… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

1. “Beta Australian also has no way out of the situation.”
2. ” I wouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place…”
Ergo:

3. The Australian put himself in that situation he has no way out of, unless . . .

. . . he takes the option of waking the fuck up to what a complete chump he’s being.

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Kid

All this talk about consequences. Over a broad that one is not even dating? Really?

It’s also been my experience that most guys will not throw hands ( without liquid courage ).

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

I’d say it’s more of a pride thing than about the girl herself, although she’d be the ‘object’ about which this particular clashing of horns would be based.. Sort of like when a buck or ram go at it; it might be immediately about one doe or ewe, but it’s really about the buck’s/ram’s status within the group. At least confront Goldmund directly and be like, “hey, pal – she’s with me.” When Goldmund does his little ‘playa’ response, that’s when you escalate. Or, eject and take a cab outta there if physical escalation would be ‘uncivilized’. Seems like the… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Blaximus: The post was about whether men have responsibility to strangers vs friends when it comes to taking their girls.
In your original comment you bragged about taking your friend’s girl and later showing up to his place with the panties on your rearview mirror and asking him to smell your sticky fingers. And claim all it was all fair and you did him a favor. I didn’t write these comments, these are your comments you sick twisted fuck.
Now when I put you on the spot, you want to backtrack from your original comment. Well played.

Blaximus
4 years ago

That’s MR. Sick Twisted Fuck to you.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Saracen: Another pussy begger, who will do anything for a lay. Women expect pussy beggars like you to behave exactly like this. That you will fuck over you friend for her pussy. And you call yourself Red Pilled.

Morpheus
4 years ago
Reply to  Incubus_Rising

@Saracen: Another pussy begger, who will do anything for a lay. Women expect pussy beggars like you to behave exactly like this. That you will fuck over you friend for her pussy. And you call yourself Red Pilled. Meh. “Red Pill” is first and foremost a praxeology for describing intergender dynamics, particularly the what, how, and why women make the sexual/mating decisions they do and how they respond to different male behaviors and attributes. “Red Pill” really doesn’t have one flying fuck to do with how any particular man should shape his moral or ethical code, and certainly isn’t prescriptive… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Blaximus: Another stupid comment. Not surprised at all.

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Incubus One last thing then I’m done with your Short-bus/ Non reading comprehending ass. For posterity – I lost a friend in high school because I banged a chick he was in ‘ love ‘ with. But in my defense, because we were boys, I asked him if he was serious about the girl, and he said ” no “. So I told him I was going to bang the shit out of her at an upcoming party that weekend, and he said he did not care, but added that ” She’s not gonna do anything with you..”. So,… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol, I wish YaReally was here to read the ” pussy beggar ” remarks, just to see him flame Incubus with a 56 inch post.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Blaximus: Why did you take her panties with you to show him? To make him feel better about the whole situation? You knew exactly how he was going to react, but you still did it. And upon eliciting his reaction, you are calling him a bitch.
You are an absolute piece of trash, Sir, Mr Whatever.

Saracen III
Saracen III
4 years ago

@Incubus_Rising “you will fuck over you friend for her pussy”

It is not “his” pussy. Lincoln freed the slaves.

mersonia
4 years ago

I check in on rational male for the first time in months and this is what I see

@blaximus
Solid post content kudos my dude

@Incubus

You are a pussy

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

Absolute fucking new low I have seen in any Red Pill forum threads. Fake Alphas claiming it is fair game to fuck over their friends and rub it in their faces, just for a one night lay. Another win for the Feminine Imperative.
Well done Rollo Tomassi for the great post. Looking forward to the release of Part Three of “The Rational Male”.

Rudolph
Rudolph
4 years ago

Beta Australian can’t throw hands with Goldmund entirely aside of whether or not he is capable of actually winning the fight. He can’t throw down, they have it out, and it ends there. The law gets involved. It is easy to be the “fittest” in a jungle that isn’t free to be red in tooth and claw.

Goldmund owes nothing to Beta Australian but he does owe society overall not to sow chaos. Freedom isn’t free. Sometimes you can’t just do whatever you want even if you’re within your rights to do so.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

@Blaximus LOL eeehhh,we been competing for this pussy since ten years old. Then my friends girl begs me for it,then he makes the anouncement,now should I tell him,she will toss the salad ,do anal,swallows,and fucks like gumby or should I keep my mouth shut and hide the panties? I could tell some stories that add up to the experiences that gave me the attitudes I have today but aparently some blue pill bitch of a guy will judge all that by his ideals lacking any experience what else can he do? Then the name calling starts LOL. @Incubus Good luck… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Incubus @Blaximus: Why did you take her panties with you to show him? To make him feel better about the whole situation? You knew exactly how he was going to react, but you still did it. And upon eliciting his reaction, you are calling him a bitch. You are an absolute piece of trash, Sir, Mr Whatever. Don’t be a tool. The BP dude was in total denial and he needed to be bitch-slapped. The dude never learned his lesson. Blax was a teenager, so you shouldn’t expect him to act like a mature adult back then. The BP guy… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ stuff – LMAO

It’s a ” new low ” I tell ya!!!!

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“He can’t throw down . . .”

. . . because the girl would think that was creepiest shit ever. Australian guy put himself in the no way out position before the girl even got on the plane.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax

just to see him flame Incubus with a 56 inch post.

I’m skeptical that any guy has a 56 inch post…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Well for the record an Incubus is a sneaky bitch that sleep fucks girls, and a few guys it seems as well.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Sentient:

They were all the rage before space alien anal probing became the fashion.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

@Blax

This is low;after a few spin the bottle parties and losin my cherry at 14 to an older woman that paid for it,I figured If I could kiss it I could bang it.

Now this real knock out chick was in my sights and I told my best bud about her. He bet me five bucks I couldn’t get her and it was on.Well I never did get past first with this girl and come to find out,my “Friend” told her about the bet.

Now I don’t care who you are that was low. I say.LOL

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Aussie guy could’ve just bailed and left her with Goldmind Studmuffin, Lord Master Of All Toilets and Lavatories, taken a cab home, and thrown all her shit out of hus apartment (assuming she was staying with him).

But, he was probably too much of a pussy and too invested in her to even do that.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Apologize for the typos, on my phone rt now.

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Kid J

So, under no circumstances would you bang a chick in the bathroom?

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

LMAO What a funny commentation going on here. It surely will turn truculent and the young guys will be sure to cry foul of the old guys. And the young guys will keep shouting into the old guys fogging. And that is not to say that they shouldn’t get it out of their systems–you guys need The Five Stages of Unplugging (denial, anger, bargaining, and depression, then acceptance). No one is being mean here, but they are also not giving awards for merely participating. Some of the premises taken in argument are wrong here. There is no screwing over of… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax

So, under no circumstances would you bang a chick in the bathroom?

It’s on my bucket list, but it doesn’t count unless there’s pee on the floor.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

“So, under no circumstances would you bang a chick in the bathroom?”

You have to admit it is one up on an outhouse. At least you don’t have far to travel for the kleen up.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Kid Jupiter:

That would have been creepy too. The point is that his only actual relationship with this girl was his own provider oneitis. He spent money to have her around to mope over, but she wasn’t his girl. She was a free agent and he was the only person in the world who didn’t know it.

So getting all butt hurt over finding it out just makes him creepy.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“You have to admit it is one up on an outhouse.”

You can say that again. Damn wasps all up in those things can really spoil the mood. Don’t ask me how I know.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

Just stop it! If this shitters rockin ,don’t bother knockin.

Blaximus
4 years ago

” That would have been creepy too. The point is that his only actual relationship with this girl was his own provider oneitis. He spent money to have her around to mope over, but she wasn’t his girl. She was a free agent and he was the only person in the world who didn’t know it.

So getting all butt hurt over finding it out just makes him creepy.”

^^^^^ This right here ^^^^^

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Kfg, who cares if it’s “creepy?” You sound like a chick! Aussie had to do something in response; chick was his guest. She goes off with Goldmund when he beckons, then disappears for 20 min and he fucks her in the bathroom. But you’re worried about creepy. Good christ…

And Blax, I’d fuck them in my own bathroom, or theirs. Or in a hotel room bathroom. And I have. Not in a public one. Not my thing, I think it’s disgusting.

mersonia
4 years ago

@kid Jupiter

http://i.imgur.com/VQWiMuQ.gif

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Kid

Lol, okay I’m not gonna judge. Guess you won’t be joining the Mile High Club.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Blax, I’m happy enough getting laid at sea level. But I’ve gotten laid in Denver. Does thar count for Mile High Club membership?

Look at mersonia, with the Baphomet avatar. So edgy!

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . who cares if it’s “creepy?”” She does. “You sound like a chick!” No. I sound like I understand chicks. While the creepy sense can be miscalibrated and is badly culturally abused these days, it is not irrational: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8At8Aizx4 Historically, on an evolutionary time scale, women really have had to worry about waking up dead in some orbiter’s refrigerator, because if that’s the only way he can have her, then that’s the way he’s going to have her. ” . . . chick was his guest.” So he owed her being a good host. She was his… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

Kid Jupiter

Before you join the real mile high club,be sure to ask her who paid for her ticket.
Otherwise it will just be creepy. LOL

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Rudolph ” Goldmund owes nothing to Beta Australian but he does owe society overall not to sow chaos. Freedom isn’t free. Sometimes you can’t just do whatever you want even if you’re within your rights to do so. ” I disagree with this. No man owes anything to society, technically. Your going into a ‘ moral ‘ territory. A man can actually do whatever he wants to as long as he’s willing to accept the possible consequences for his actions. When you think along the lines of being restricted by an outside force(s), you might just feel that you… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Kfg, she fucked a stranger in a public bathroom, while out with the guy who brought her there. Who gives a shit if she thinks it would be “creepy?” Who cares what she thinks at all, about anything? And, yes – he put her on the plane and acted ham-handedly and clueless. Does that mean he shouldn’t stand up for himself and his pride in this type of disrespectful situation? What planet are you on, man? Sometimes, it’s better to stop arguing than continue to argue a lost point. You’re definitely acting gamma on the Vox Day scale. Enough. Zip… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

KFG

Shame does strange things to people… I remember 30 years ago talking with this guy who believed aliens were a certainty but angels or god impossible… He had nothing to say when I asked why after millions of miles of space travel to get here do aliens have to stick stuff up our asses right off the bat.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Prisons and Graveyards are full of men who made choices that went against their best interests . . .”

And I refuse to have my “best interests” defined by some cubical dwelling little actuarial dweeb calculating risk factors. It’s my life. I can calculate the risks, including the risks of trying to avoid risks.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Interesting as we close on 200 posts on this topic not a one yet I think about her role in this… Her agency. What she might have said or not said to the Aussie, what other favors she accepted from him and for how long. What doors she left open while casting her eye about.

Interesting.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

I think RoK would have been the exact opposite result, post wise.

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Kid Don’t you think that the aussie had a responsibility to himself to understand what his actual circumstances were? Are you saying ignorance is an excuse? The dude told this girl, after flying her halfway around the planet, that he loved her. After. Why do guys still think ” I love you ” somehow magically sparks attraction in women? Why do guys still think that buying shit, or doing shit, will spark desire in a chick? All I can say is, Good thing he didn’t buy an engagement ring for the trip. Yes, he should have stood up for… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Sentient, good point.

She definitely must’ve said something, some web must’ve been weaved. Maybe she blew him, but wouldn’t let him fuck her, to stay in control. Maybe it was just a hand job. But, maybe it was just words. Could be, given this guy’s toolbox level.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Kid Jupiter: ” . . . acting gamma on the Vox Day scale.”

Meet the Aussie guy, who you suggest should double down on it. ‘Cause you can see just by watching a gamma in action that that always works.

@Sentient: “Shame does strange things to people…”

See above.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Blax, I agree. He’s a jackass, we’ve well established that.

I’m only saying that based on the facts given, he should’ve stood up for himself and his pride. Better than being a doormat, especially for his own self-respect. He looks worse being a doormat than he would’ve standing up and reacting appropriately to her disrespect. And Goldmund’s disrespect, for that matter. But let’s not go down the Goldmund alley right now, let’s focus on her actions, her agency, as Sentient suggested.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Kid

Well it was probably a lot more subtle than that… The point is still the same though, it’s back to the guy to confirm where he stands prior to retarded escapades like this. Which is why a major game tenet is sexualizing early and acting with intent. Avoid any misunderstanding by a lack of sufficient action.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Goldmund Unleashed refused to have his best enlightened self interests defined by the Aussie.

Certain commenters want to define red pill Game interests for others. You do you, don’t be judgmental about another’s game. Because that is ideology rather than praxeology.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Kfg, you’re making no sense.

Standing up for yourself in that situation is not gamma. Even if it’s just grabbing a cab and leaving her there with Goldmund, then leaving her to fend for herself rest of her trip. Consequences, baby.

However, continuing to argue a lost point on an internet comment thread is most definitely gamma behavior.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Let’s focus on her actions: she was led by her desires, her attraction and her arousal to Goldmund. Not so for the Aussie.

Her agency: she had the pussy, and free will.

The Aussie standing up for himself would be a lagging indicator of his having not generated desire or arousal in her, and standing up and fighting would definitely be attractive. He already was pwned.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago
SJF
SJF
4 years ago

LOL….definitely not be attractive.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . stood up for himself and his pride.

Being proud of your complete gamma chode behavior is . . . complete gamma chode behavior.

“How fucking dare you not live up to my fantasy of you. Just who the hell do you think you are to treat me like that? Didn’t I tell you that I love you? You can walk home to Australia for all I care.”

Yeah. Very alpha manly.

But if you need to learn it the hard way, then that’s the way you’ll have to learn it.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
4 years ago

At some point in a mans life he will meet a woman that wants him inspite of circumstances.
At this point he will either pay the consequences of action or inaction ,but make no mistake he will pay.

Now I wonder what happens to the guy that never acts?

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

SJF, totally- her pussy, her rules. She’s free to do whatever she wants with her vag. But, not without consequences. I don’t agree with you about him responding to her disrespectful behavior and actions being a problem or indication of him being “owned.” Are you really suggesting he should’ve just sat there and taken it? Like I said, I believe he should’ve told Goldmund, after Goldmund waved her over, that she was with him. If Goldmund answered with the playa reply, he should’ve restated, I brought her here, back off. If she started to chime in, that’s when he should’ve… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Kfg,

That’s your fantasy dialogue between them, not mine.

I’ve made my point.

Gamma on, my friend.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Just because he fucked up he should continue to let it snowball with passivity in the face of monumental disrespect?”

Because he fucked up he should blame her?

Protip: Pride isn’t something you have, it’s something you earn.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Tell me, address this question”

Being rejected and seeking revenge still won’t get her back, nor will it restore his self esteem:

“There’s not a lot of money in revenge” – Inigo Montoya

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/15/rejection-revenge/

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Who’s talking about getting her back? At this point, she’s done. It’s not even revenge, it’s just “Go Fuck Yourself. Bye. Here’s your stuff.”

And I disagree about the self-esteem part. He should’ve taken a stand, as I’ve described.

Kfg, you’re lost.

Roused
4 years ago

Incubus_Rising June 1, 2017 at 4:41 pm @Blaximus: Why did you take her panties with you to show him? To make him feel better about the whole situation? You knew exactly how he was going to react, but you still did it. And upon eliciting his reaction, you are calling him a bitch. You are an absolute piece of trash, Sir, Mr Whatever. Perhaps we’re seeing these reactions because maybe a few of these guys had their girls stolen out from under them and proceeded to get their brains fucked out in a bathroom by a rival. Now they are… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Roused Perhaps we’re seeing these reactions because maybe a few of these guys had their girls stolen out from under them and proceeded to get their brains fucked out in a bathroom by a rival. buffering @SJF You do you, don’t be judgmental about another’s game. Didn’t Rollo recently post about that topic? @Space Cowboy He should’ve taken a stand On what? AussieBozo didn’t understand the social/sexual dynamics in play and thought that he had an implied contract when he didn’t. AussieBozo had absolutely no claim on the girl. There was no meeting of the minds between AussieBozo and the… Read more »

Roy Hobbs
Roy Hobbs
4 years ago

@Logic- re: safety net- thanks- great perspective & excellent contribution. Worthy of an op

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Asd, I assume I’m “Space Cowboy?” Now you’re going to bring the nuances of contract law into the discussion? Meetings of the mind and the like? Seems you want to have your cake and eat it, too – you want the benefits of civilized behavior (agreements, meetings of minds, implied contracts), while still allowing the chick and Goldmund the freedom to act on amoral, feral, uncivilized behavior. Look, I agree that Aussie guy fucked up and didn’t have a clue. As I posted way up there, I wouldn’t expect him to have the ability to stand up for himself properly… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ kid Ummm, I got my own mantle and I take it up regularly. I happen to believe in the deep recesses of my heart, and part of both lungs, that a man trying to control a woman by ” standard ” and acceptable means, such as appealing to reason and a sense of fairness and appreciation, is a laughable non starter. If you put them to sleep, they’ll blow other meat. Standing on principle intersexually is a losing proposition in the big picture. I never endorse the ” she has the pussy… ” thing. My position, that I’ve stated… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago

Blax, how do you make the logical leap that him standing up for himself would’ve been him “standing up for her, by extension?” How can you get all the way to that? Am I being unclear in my position and points? I’m really not sure at this point; they seem abundantly clear to me, but not so clear to you guys, I’ve tried to be nuanced, I’ve tried to explain my reasoning, but you guys keep coming back to how Aussie fucked up right from the jump (which I agree with), but there was no point in him even bothering… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Blax: Mile High Club on a commercial plane bathroom? What is this I don’t even… Please teach me, master. I figured my chance on commercial planes was to get lucky with seating arrangement and get a very discreet handy on the seat. A friend of mine was learning to pilot the small ones, and I have the impression part of his motivation was to do it up there. Real talk: won’t you just get caught and added to a no fly black list or similar? How do you even squeeze two people into one of those bathrooms without everyone nearby… Read more »

Roused
4 years ago

“What I think is going on here is you’re just circling the wagons around kfg, since he’s a regular poster with you guys and I’m not, and I called him out. I’m a regular reader of the blog, but I’ve avoided the comments section for a while so as not to have to get into these ridiculous arguments that go nowhere. You’ll take an unreasonable position and argue it, just to back up your boy.” I remember a bunch of you guys – Rugby, asd, kfg, Blax, etc – but the only guy who was a real nonstop disagreeable arguer… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

@kid every fucking woman in the world is on the market forever. Just because they allege they have pledged their loyalty to some man either short term or long,changes NOTHING. They are all in play all the time. As a man, you compete, always, forever. Perhaps for some it’s easy and they win a lot (Blax), perhaps for some it’s hard and they lose a lot. But it changes nothing about the fact that a cat is gonna meow and needs and wants to be rubbed. You are missing the point that the god of bio-mechanics is a pretty amoral… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
4 years ago
Reply to  Agent P

OK, going to try to fit all my replies into one post: Agent P: You’re directing fire at me re. Blax that is intended for Incubus. I never criticized or called Blax out for the panty thing or banging the girl in HS that his friend liked. Roused: Go re-read my comment. Did I suggest that I don’t know why women have gone feral? I know full well why, and my question was rhetorical. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills before commenting? (Not a rhetorical question; you obviously have trouble detecting nuance in written text. Work on… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

@Agent P
Righteous comment dude.

Rudolph
Rudolph
4 years ago

It is easy to pile on Beta Australian here but as pointed out we need to give him some benefit of the doubt. The girl got on the plane. It seems reasonable that Beta Australian went to New York for some sort of career opportunity. Most likely going with the intent to make himself worthy of this girl. Given modern communications tech it is unlikely that there was no contact between the two prior to her getting on the plane. She’s looking at the better part of three days travel time to go and return. This wouldn’t have been a… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Kid

Yeah, I was playing with your name.

Are you guys really going to sit here and argue that he SHOULDN’T have stood up for himself

Where were any of his REAL boundaries crossed? Not his Blue Pill expectation boundaries, but REAL boundaries? On what REAL basis should he have made a stand? You still have failed to explain his basis for making a stand.

If AussieBozo had suddenly become Red Pill, he would have taken up his marbles and gone elsewhere to play and quit paying for the broad’s fun.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Kid

let Goldmund do as he pleased, in his “territory,” on his “turf?”

What is AussieBozo’s territory and turf? Surely not the pussy.

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