Blue Pill Conditioning and Equalism

Rational reader Playdontpay had a very poignant comment in last week’s thread:

I’ll stick with the “boner test”. Women are only playthings anyway!
Do I enjoy fucking her? After sex is she good feminine company? This is all I need to know, if shit goes sideways I’ll just get another one.

She’s only going to lie and present a fictional version of herself based on what she thinks you’re looking for anyways. Women don’t do real self improvement they just convince themselves that they already are “better” because if she can’t convince herself it will be more difficult for her to sell it to you.

She will rewrite her sexual history and “because she’s a different person now”, well, that’s the way she has always been. Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar that’s been learning game from the age of 12?

His perspective on women is exactly why I tell men to avoid marriage altogether even though I’ve had a fantastic marriage myself for over 20 years. A lot of my haters, and more than a few supporters often get hung up on this.

Most of the criticism I get for writing what I do and still maintaining a good relationship with Mrs. T comes from men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths described in this approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it. They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. So, naturally, the easy presumption is that any self respecting woman would never put up with a Red Pill man’s outlook and approach, because they believe the blank slate lie.

If an egalitarian ideal between men and women were tenable I’d completely agree, but it isn’t. So, in order to protect their ego investments, the rationale follows that any woman who falls for a Red Pill man must, by definition, be lacking in self esteem, self respect, low quality, etc. They believe that because anything else destroys their equalist fantasy world. This stems from a much deeper, root level, ego-investment in egalitarianism and I think this is a perspective a lot of Red Pill aware men have a tough time with to say nothing of men still plugged into the Blue Pill world view.

If you’ve read me for any length of time you’ll know I’m rarely prescriptive in my writing. I’ve always been of the belief that men need to find ways to utilize Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics for themselves on an individual basis. However, I will say that there are certain general aspects of that awareness and how to put it into something applicable in a man’s life that seem self-evident to me. First and foremost among these generalities is that in killing your inner Beta and disabusing oneself of his Blue Pill conditioning, a man needs to understand that the foundational belief that informed and defined his Blue Pill existence is equalism. The presumption that an idealized, blank-slate egalitarian state between the sexes is both possible and desirable informs all Blue Pill beliefs that follow it.

This equalist presumption often forms the mental point of origin for most Blue Pill men. Ostensibly, this mental prioritization of some equal state between the sexes is what most Blue Pill guys will tell you attracts women. This notion is also fundamental to Blue Pill guys’ drive for identifying their own psyches with the feminine and forms the basis of Beta Game.

Transitioning this early equalist ideology to a sexual strategy is a simple, deductive process for men. Little boys are raised on feminine primacy memes and the narrative of Fempowerment, all the while being conditioned to believe that, beyond some insignificant biology, boys and girls are identical beings with the same potential and proficiencies. It’s gotten to the point where this process is normalized and pushed to the backgrounds of most people’s consciousness. We’ll raise boys in feminine-primary educational standards, we’ll teach them they’re the same as girls, but we’ll also teach them they’re defective for not aligning themselves with girls, for not getting in touch with their feminine sides.

I’m fleshing this process out a bit here because unlearning this equalist’s mental point of origin is a key transition in a man’s unplugging. Often the hardest part of killing the Beta and accepting Red Pill awareness is replacing equalism with oneself as a mental point of origin. This is a hard step for most guys because it requires he shift his opinion of himself and risk being called a selfish asshole. Remember, anything that would disagree with or challenge the idea of intersexual egalitarianism will always be equated with misogyny, intolerance, tyranny, etc. Questioning the validity of equalism (however it’s applied) will always be countered with a  binary extreme.

This is exactly why Playdontpay’s comment appears so outrageous and self-indulgent to anyone not Red Pill aware. HIs pragmatism will be conflated with anger.

Interghangeability

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Rollo
…men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it.

Often because they’ve been told since they were toddlers that there is “more to it”, also known as the Blue Pill.

They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are.

Exactly so and very important. The feminist fallacy of “interchangeable” leads to this. The mental habit some men have of projecting themselves onto others, believing “Well, I’m like this, so everyone else must be also” leads to this. It is extremely frustrating to encounter female behavior that is so obviously stupid it is like catching someone peeing in the kitchen sink.

Many betaized men will put up with bad behavior for far too long, then have a major blowout of anger and expect behavioral change. That doesn’t work with toddlers or dogs or women. Constant, low key, correction does work. Neuroplasticity points to a “why”; daily reiteration of a desired habit works better than once per week, etc.

It’s important to recognize the difference between real introspection and brooding or ruminating, too. Some women will brood over wrongs done but not connect that up with their own behavior. That’s not introspection. That’s not “failure analysis”. That’s rewiring neural pathways to perpetual resentment.

It is extremely difficult for an equalist, betaized man to accept the fact that women want and need to be dominated, because they for sure would hate and resent that. It is even worse for the churchgoing men, because the equalist chant from the conservative feminists in churches is almost always slathered with a layer of “sisterly love”.

What Anon is driving at here is my second point in Blue Pill and Red Pill men understanding the depth of their conditioning. Equalism and feminism depend on interchangeability. In order for little girls to grow up to be anything they want to be there must be an agreed upon “level playing field” from a socio-sexual point of view. This means that if little girls want to grow up to become football players and little boys want to grow up to be prima ballerinas there (at least ostensibly) must be an agreed upon equalist environment in which this can happen.

The egalitarian ideal the Blue Pill conditions us to believe is possible presumes there is a mutually agreeable state of intersexual equality. In reality this state is entirely contradictory to our evolved sexual strategies and our biological realities, but in theory, an egalitarian ideal can only exist in an environment that is deemed equal by both men and women. If such a state were possible, if evolved influences of our biological realities for both sexes were non-factors, then this state would also presume a mutual interchangeability between the sexes.

The combination of our equalist conditioning and this interchangeability is the root of much of the dysfunction we see between men and women today. Because we are taught all-is-one, because we presume we’re all the same except for the plumbing, there is also a presumption of uniformity of purpose between the sexes. Equalism is really just the religion of the Feminine Imperative, but it hides behind this feminine-primary advertising that men and women are playing by a mutually agreed upon set of rules, striving for mutually agreed (Blue Pill) goals and all in spite of our natural predilection or any competitiveness. No other social condition in the history of mankind could place women in a more socially controlling position than Hypergamy excused by equalism.

In such a state women can mandate their unilateral control over Hypergamy, but there is one downside – men expect a mutual interchangeability. Blue Pill men actually expect women to play by that mutuality of purpose. That’s the interchange. Women will still ensure that optimizing Hypergamy is the prime directive, and they’ll hide behind equalism to keep men in check and absolve themselves of the worst of their predations in doing so, but men still expect women to feel as men do. Blue Pill men believe that women can and will love them in an idealized way that runs contrary to their Hypergamous opportunism. Why? Because they were conditioned to believe, from a very early age, that interchangeability exists between men and women.

The difference between men and women’s concepts of love is a prime example of this equalist interchangeability fallacy. Men’s concept of love is rooted in idealism; love for the sake of love. This is a result of men’s outward looking idealism and existential experience being male. Women’s concept of love is rooted in opportunism. This is a result of natural solipsism and the need to optimize Hypergamy. It is intrinsic and inward looking and based on security and ensuring survival. When we introduce a condition of egalitarian equalism to men and women only one of these concepts can be the mutually correct concept. Both can exist in a natural state of complementarity between the sexes, but if all-is-one, there can only be one concept of love that decides for both sexes.

The confusion Blue Pill men have is presuming that men’s idealistic concept is the mutually accepted one. This then wars with women’s natural opportunistic concept; and by extension her intrinsic need to optimize Hypergamy. Of course, I’m under no illusion that equalism is anything more than a social utility to ensure a feminine-primary social order, but this is one illustration of how deeply conditioned equalism is what a majority of men base their intersexual understandings on.

I see this conditioning persist even amongst men I would otherwise think had a firm grasp of Red Pill awareness. As I said, they think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. They still want to hope in that Blue Pill goal of interchangeability. For all of the Red Pill and self awareness I could credit men of the MRM with, they still cling to this equalist mindset. This Blue Pill ideal of true equality between the sexes ultimately works against their best intentions since it is women who are more perfectly placed to take advantage of this ‘equality’. Once again, you will never achieve Blue Pill idealistic goals with Red Pill awareness. Most men are taught that those Blue Pill goals are worthwhile, but they are carrots proffered by the same builders of the cart who hope to get the mule to pull it.

I have read and heard the words of many otherwise brilliant, otherwise Red Pill aware men who simply cannot unlearn the falsehoods of egalitarian equalism. Nothing’s more frustrating to me than to hear a guy I have a deep respect for parrot back some meme or catchphrase of a feminine-operative social convention, or what he thinks is a funny, gender-deprecating quip that belies his ego-investment in the same equalism he just spent a book’s worth of research to debunk. I see brilliant men like Dr. Jordan Peterson, Dr. Warren Farrell or Steven Pinker, who I would hold up as guys who have a lot figured out, still rattle off the same memes I would expect to see from equalists on Facebook. I find it the height of irony that the same men who would systematically destroy the idea of the blank slate still pander to the hopes and goals of the equalists who built those goals based on a blank slate ideology.

Understanding how your prison is constructed, how it works, who your jailers are, is not the same as understanding how to escape it. It’s interesting how refined our Red Pill Lenses can become yet we still never drill down to the root beliefs that still keep us ignorantly hopeful. It’s time we embrace an ideology of true complementarity between men and women. It’s time we accept that we are not equal and in some circumstances that puts men and women at respective advantages and disadvantages based on what any challenge poses to us. It’s time we threw away the Blue Pill goals that equalism has taught us are ‘correct’ and replace them with realistic ones founded on Red Pill awareness.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“I recently got my expiration date . . .”

Sorry to hear that, but yeah, if I simply had an inside/outside on ten years it would have a considerable effect on my behaviour.

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Hey Ton. I just spent 5 glorious days down in your neck of the woods ( literally mostly ) and it was wonderful…except for the pollen, that is. Fear. I have been scared shitless enough that it has lost it’s luster. My first born was born premature, weight just over a pound. The docs told me that if she survived the night, she might have a 50/50 chance. Went down on my bike at a good clip in a curve on a deserted road in Halifax County VA. ( goddamn gravel on the road ) and laid in a field… Read more »

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Ton, wait!! What do you mean you got your expiration date!!!!!

Maaannn, fuck.

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“One can’t just decide not to have fear. You gotta be tested, and make a choice…. if possible.”

Experiencing fear as a masculine male is a normal emotion. Acting fearless is something a man chooses to do.

Analogy: KFG’s saying “I not and elitist. I am elite”.

One is not immunized against the emotion of fear. One can decide to act fearlessly.

One is not an un-emotionalist. One can be non-fearful. By choice.

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Well said SJF. You said it better than I.

In fewer words too.

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Legit Blax. It ain’t being scared shitless that’s the problem. It’s not doing something because of the fear. Though sometimes that is the smart play.

https://tonsplace.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/fear-vs-man-best-win-this-one/

As for the rest, it ain’t a big deal. Been on borrowed time for about 17 years now. Getting a time line focuses the attention, makes things real in away hearing it the 1st time didn’t. Take away is, keep living and I reckon bikes are my security blanket

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@ Ton

Man, sorry to hear that, but that’s only for what it’s worth. You have a great handle on things. Still, saddened to hear this, really.

Doesn’t mean I’m gay.

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Life? Don’t talk to me about life. Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction, ’cause I don’t.
That sounded like Marin the paranoid robot… and google confirmed it.
Man, those are old brain cells

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@Ton
LOL I recently got my expiration date; trying to live on my bike and get in the last couple of dream rides while I can
Ride that thing to the ground SCF

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@DisgruntledEarthling: “Man, those are old brain cells”

Nah, HHGTTG is the new stuff. When I was a kid The Lord of the Rings was the new stuff.

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“Take away is, keep living and I reckon bikes are my security blanket”

Although, my latest red pill awareness saying is “We all know what is going on here….” to others, I have to confess I don’t know what is going on here.

You say security blanket. Fuck that. I say masculine redemption in life. Without knowing the particulars.

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@SJF
I remember reading Professor T’s obit in time magazine. Had read LOTR a couple times in grade 8 before that

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The old Appolonian and Dionysian philosophical and literary concept (and dichotomy) is a concept that is a biker’s theme. (Well at least as Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance tried to explain that. The Classical vs. Romantic mindsets. Thinking vs. feeling during the motorbiking experience as a metaphor for living life.) Apollo is the god of reason and rational thinking, while Dionysus is the god of the irrationality and chaos, and appeals to the emotions and instincts. The Greeks did not consider the two gods to be opposites or rivals, although often the two deities were entwined by nature.… Read more »

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Not all who wander are lost.

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DisgruntledEarthling at 6:56 pm You meant KFG. I was too busy with life to read The Lord of the Rings or the Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe. I think I might have been forced to read The Hobbit in school many decades ago but don’t remember a damn thing about it. I never really actually watched movies or series like Star Wars, or ever payed attention to Star Trek. Or a lot of other popular movie series. Besides Tolstoy and Dostoevsky and Thomas Pynchon and Kurt Vonnegut, I developed a distaste for fiction after High School and College. I could… Read more »

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“Not all who wander are lost.”

Cosign that.

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@SJF:

It’s from The Lord of the Rings.

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In full:

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king

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@Ton

I recently got my expiration date

I hate to hear that shit. You’ve lived a rich life…still sucks for it to end so young. Still, enjoy your Ton-spawn day by day.

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Doesn’t mean I’m gay.

Uh-huh.

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@Rollo, maybe this deserves a post on its own but has anyone seen the Brad Pitt film Allied? I watched it on the plane from a Red Pill perspective and…there’s a ***SPOILER ALERT*** so if you want to watch the movie don’t read any further. But here’s my review that fits in with the Blue Pill Conditioning post. Brad Pitt plays Max Vatan, a Canadian spy who is parachuted into Casablanca to work with Marianne Beauséjour who has been working as a French Resistance fighter. Together they assassinate a Nazi consul in a blaze of gunfire and escape to London… Read more »

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@ Asdgamer and @Blaximus If you don’t mind boiling sea water and collecting the vapour to use for drinking water. Or breathing in a higher particle count of carbon dioxide and nitrogen oxide (among other green house gases), growing food on less than the acre of land (per person) we use today. Then no we don’t have a population crisis. If you don’t want to live like a third world denizen, then we’re over populated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPmLWYbUqA Note Sir David Attenborough mentions empowering women as a means to control population. Women care more about babies than we do. It’s a biological… Read more »

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And that 3d wave feminism is not about sharing power, but seizing a monopoly on that power.

Are alphas somehow disempowered by 3rd wave feminism, or only betas?

Yes, in the context of anti-rape legislation, they are. When due process is being dismantled, and women are practically given free rein to make false rape accusations without penalty, betas are the most likely victims, but not the only victims.

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Abortion is essentially ex post facto contraception. Once upon a time, back in the bad ol’ days of the Patriarchy, an unmarried female getting pregnant guaranteed her ruin. What man would want to marry her and expend his hard earned resources on some other man’s bastard? Unless she had family to support her financially or look after the brat whilst she did so herself, she was basically fucked economically. This fear of an unwanted pregnancy tended to keep women’s sexual appetites in check. There was a recent media scandal around a now-defunct maternity home for single mothers in Tuam, Ireland.… Read more »

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“You say security blanket. Fuck that. I say masculine redemption in life. Without knowing the particulars.”

If Ton says security blanket, security blanket is badass.
And if he worried about the wording a little part of women everywhere would die.
I envision him on that security blanket, heading out on the road with his trusty friend Sweetness (a .45) at his hip, and Snuggles, his fighting-champion pit bull running along trying to keep up.

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@Ollie If you don’t mind boiling sea water and collecting the vapour to use for drinking water. Or breathing in a higher particle count of carbon dioxide and nitrogen oxide (among other green house gases), growing food on less than the acre of land (per person) we use today. Then no we don’t have a population crisis. If you don’t want to live like a third world denizen, then we’re over populated. What are you prattling about? We don’t do any of that shit. I don’t have any breathing problems and have plenty of food and space. Border control will… Read more »

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@SFC Ton: The suck. The big suck.

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Women care more about babies than we do. It’s a biological truism.

It’s only true after babies are born and it’s due to oxytocin.

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@Asdgamer You don’t control the means of production for the food you eat, yet you think there’s plenty of it! Soil erosion (due to climate change and over use of farmland) is threatening our ability to produce the amounts we need to feed ourselves. Add in the periods in which arable needs to remain fallow and the energy intensive industrial farming methods used today, and you can see why there’s cause for concern. Energy is the world’s biggest concern. We don’t have enough of it. Transportation fuel in particular (in the form of oil) can’t keep pace with our current… Read more »

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@Ollie You’re regurgitating the old, discredited Club of Rome Blue Pill nonsense about limited resources. Oil was supposed to run out in the ’70s. Technology was developed to access deeper oil and to extract oil from shale. Crisis averted. Electric cars burn coal indirectly…coal is used to produce electricity. If you’re trying to reduce anthropogenic global warming (which may not even be significant), electric cars aren’t the way to go. The U.S. population is expanding only because we allow immigration…our native population is shrinking. Since Trump was elected, illegal immigration is down…he needs to stop allowing massive numbers of foreign… Read more »

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Soil erosion (due to climate change and over use of farmland) is threatening our ability to produce the amounts we need to feed ourselves.

So, soil is being disintegrated? Or is it just being relocated via rivers? Can it be used to farm downstream?

Who’s to say that farmland is being overused? Farmers rotate crops to put nitrogen back in the soil (beans, chiefly), so that counts as fallow use.

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“We’ve only got 110 years worth of coal (a quick google search will confirm). You may be thinking we’ll just turn to electric vehicles.”

Because we’re the sort of idiots who think that electric cars don’t need an energy source, i.e. fuel?

“But the problem there, is we’re running out of materials like copper, which conducts electricity.”

Wait. Wut?

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Ollie I’m old enough to remember a different time and witness a different manner of living. There’s no need to panic. Myself, I have just enough land and skill that I can feed my family without commercial assistance. Generations of my family thrived without commercial industrial agriculture. Hundreds of thousands of people in the county, as well as the majority of the state did the same. My only concern is that I don’t have enough property to sustain a few cows and a bull. I like beef. But that’s not an absolute he necessity, and deer will do just fine.… Read more »

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Oh yeah Ollie, I spent a few days last week on horseback in rural va. I didn’t have to plug the horse in, nor fuel her up at Exxon.

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” . . . deer will do just fine.” And the herd needs thinning by 75% to bring them down to pre-Columbian levels. The whole Bambi thing worked rather too well. ” I didn’t have to plug the horse . . .” Lots of problems with horses still. Bicycles and cars replaced them for reasons. You can make 200 bicycles for one car, They can be maintained for a century or so, you don’t have to take care of them much when you aren’t using them (horses are 24/7 whether you need them or not) and they don’t need any… Read more »

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Went out tonight. Talked with girl for over an hour. Spiked her emotions. Played cube game and another one. Asked questions about childhood. Touched her a lot, though mostly on arms and shoulders, though holding hands there longer as interaction went on. Saw her eyes widen a lot as she talked and told me stories. Spiking the emotions went well. But I have to practice escalation more, as the sexual stuff I brought up was mild, such as teachers she had a crush on, etc. Anyway, she left with friends, wanting to walk home with them bc it was cold.… Read more »

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@ kfg Yeah, I cosign about bikes. Horse do require plenty of maintenance, but they will supply a stead stream of fertilizer. Fortunately I’m a country trained boy living in a large urban city…. Well, on the outskirts of one anyway, so I have the valuable commodity called soil. After hurricane Sandy I was without electricity for a week, but I enjoyed my morning coffee every day, and a hot breakfast, lunch and dinner. I had a dozen high powered flashlights, but I preferred the 150 year old hurricane lamps ( how appropriate) for real illumination. The great thing about… Read more »

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” . . . the deer voluntarily stay in closer proximity to humans and aren’t very skittish.” Last year I found myself drafting a deer down the bike path, inside city limits. Trotted in front of me for about a quarter mile before it veered off into the shrubbery. The Canada geese are trying to colonize it, and you don’t have walk up to them, those bastards think they own the place and come after you. You could hunt them with fisticuffs. Couple years ago just outside the city I found myself riding alongside a fox trotting right down the… Read more »

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@SFC Ton

LOL I recently got my expiration date; trying to live on my bike and get in the last couple of dream rides while I can

sorry to hear that…

sooo, you took a contract to be dropped into mogadishu with nothing but a sharp stick and some dirty underwear?…lol

anything less and i’m spergy enough to want to trouble-shoot that diagnosis…lol… since i value your no-nonsense approach to life… and know that you add a tremendous value to ‘teh manosphere’…

good luck!

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“My greater surprise is that Max didn’t defect to the Nazis in order to sustain his relationship.”

See Benedict Arnold.

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@kfg

If I leave my back door open at night the racoons now go right past the garbage cans and come right into the house to raid the kitchen.

http://www.trap-anything.com/raccoon-bucket-set.html

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search?q=raccoon

lol…

(i know you already know this stuff…lol)

good luck!

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I can keep them out of the house by keeping the door closed, and outside I prefer to shoot because of the racoon to moggie ratio of trapping, which tends to piss off the neighbors and I really have nothing to gain (beyond some really nice banjo heads) by pissing off the neighbors.

And outside even discharging an airgun is a firearms offense here.

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@Asdgamer U.S. oil production peaked in the 1970’s. Hence the deal with Saudi Arabia to sell it’s oil in dollars. Do you recall the oil embargo and the queues at the station pumps during that period? Most shale oil wells have a depletion rate of 70% in their first year. This drops in subsequent years and eventually stabilises. But it illustrates the point shale oil is no panacea to the energy crisis we face. The beans you mentioned are probably soybean and we’re using an increasing amount of them for biofuels. The energy problem has spilled over into food production.… Read more »

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Practice Post these in the Field Report section… Feel like giving a ride home is beta/too giving, when it likely wouldn’t have resulted in a lay just taking her to her apartment and maybe getting a kiss because I hadn’t escalated enough. well you didn’t have to take her right home now did ya? and you could escalate more in the car, in isolation away from her friends and their judgment, right???? stop the logical thought process it is going to blow up in your face. If I come with decent game I feel like I could get the lay… Read more »

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“It’s funny how that brain cell of yours, doesn’t appear to have company.”

My brain cell has been employed to design electric cars. I’ve also raced them professionally.

You note that we’re going to run out of oil and coal, then go on to explain that electric cars aren’t the answer, not because we’re going to run out of oil and coal, i.e. electric car fuel, but because we’re going run out of copper (which isn’t even consumed in use)?

And there’s something wrong with my thinking?

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@Ollie U.S. oil production peaked in the 1970’s. Historical oil production: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production Looks like in 2017 it’s back up to the ’70s area. You do understand that U.S. oil producers capped their wells because of price competition from OPEC, right? You do understand that oil prices are related to production and that oil production is volatile due to politics, right? Do you recall the oil embargo and the queues at the station pumps during that period? I sure do. Jimmy Carter’s oil rationing. The second worst president in U.S. history. “The “embargo” as described below is the “practical name” given… Read more »

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Nixon also instituted gas rationing. Fucker.

During Carter’s time, planes on aircraft carriers couldn’t fly because Carter hadn’t budgeted for fuel. Dumbass.

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“… the age of electricity and of copper will be short. At the intense rate of production that must come, the copper supply of the world will last hardly a score of years. … Our civilization based on electrical power will dwindle and die.” –1924

“80% of all copper ever mined is still available” –2017

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@ Ollie Fun conversation. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_40OMup-cFw/Vg291UqNKTI/AAAAAAAA1rE/ICPem0l5ZVo/s1600/ENRG-US-Crude-Oil-Production-at-25-Year-High-01102014-lg.gif Biofuels can be made from a wide variety of plants. Soybeans are cheap and easy to grow, but aren’t necessarily the best source of generating biofuel. Your working assumption is that we will all run out of the things we need currently, without taking into account that we can find alternate ways to still do what we have to do. Run down to the local store and purchase a few gallons of whale oil. Petroleum is not the only way to power ” vehicles “… http://assets.inhabitat.com/files/steamcar-side21.jpg http://inhabitat.com/steam-powered-supercar-shatters-world-land-speed-record/ Re: The horse. The horse belongs to my… Read more »

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@ Ollie

Anecdote: I also did a little fishing while in Virginia at the local enormous lake ( spans VA and NC ). We caught numerous HUGE channel cats, a bunch of flounder and some good sized perch. We had more than we could eat or freeze, so we gave some away to the neighbors.

Many had no clue how to clean the fish.

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“but because we’re going run out of copper (which isn’t even consumed in use)?”

So you design electric cars but don’t know how much copper goes into their production?

http://www.coppermatters.org/copper-powers-electric-cars/

Put it this way, I wouldn’t want you to ‘design’ any car I was driving. Neither would anyone else I suspect.

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” . . .we could pull all of the old steam locomotives out of museums and travel trans continentally.” They ran out of enough wood, so they switched to coal, then petroleum. We don’t have anywhere near enough wood now, because we already ran it through those old steam engines. The last steam lines ran in Siberia, where they had a lot of wood and low traffic. Using steam as your expanding gas doesn’t get around the fact that you need a way to make the gas expand. The only advantage to steam is the ability to use various fuels… Read more »

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Ollie, the petroleum markets are far more complex than just simple supply and demand, and theasdgamer did a good job of pointing you in that direction.

Even with fuels aside, our modern lives are saturated in products derived from petroleum. A bit of googling and you’ll be astounded.

The issue is too complex for this blog. I’m not offering any solutions other than to agree that this isn’t the place to hash things out. Can we get back on topic?

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…. a nuke powered train.

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“So you design electric cars but don’t know how much copper goes into their production?” I’ve got a pile of it in that corner over there. I know exactly how much it takes. “copper-powers-electric-cars” Is an idiotic statement. “Iron powers gas cars.” Hey, no need to worry about gas then. “There’s more than 50 pounds of copper in a typical American made automobile . . .” So if the supply was halved tomorrow the price of a car would go up $125 USD. Of course the amount of refined copper in the world increases daily. And what difference does it… Read more »

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Women care more about babies then men?

Bullfuckingshit.#1) Abortion would be illegal if only men voted #2) women abuse childern, their own biological childern way more often then men #3) divorce stats show its women breaking up babies

How can I take anything else you say serious of you are so outrageously wrong on sUchiha basic facts?

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“…. a nuke powered train.”

I want my. I want my. I want my Mr.F.

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Damn Blax! You did have a good time.

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@Asdgamer U.S. oil production is back to 1970 levels, but the population of America has nearly doubled in that time. Shouldn’t oil production keep pace with population growth? The alternative to what we currently use are either scarce or not as energy dense. Also the energy returned on energy invested (EROEI) is a huge factor in any alternative fuels. For instance ammonia is considered a good replacement fuel for petroleum. But it carries roughly half of the hydrogen atoms of petrol and is therefore only half as effective. It’s currently produced using natural gas, but an alternative production method could… Read more »

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“Shouldn’t oil production keep pace with population growth?”

No. Do the questions harder as they go along?

“If America was so flush with oil they wouldn’t have had a 40 year moratorium on oil exports.”

False. I leave as an exercise to the student’s brain cell to figure out why.

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Ollie
I’m of the opinion Jimmy Carter was your best president.

I’m of the opinion Calvin Cooledge was the best President of the 20th century.
Closest thing to “none of the above is sufficient” available.

I’m also of the opinion that Chicken Little stuff like this is dumb, and doubly so here.

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Great reading guys!

Ton the closer i get to checkout the more apt i am to turn out an original,sometimes it feels like were all on borrowed time,hang in there and make the most of it brother.

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Just ran into the grade school principal,she parked next to me while I was in the store and sent her son in while she waited. I built the foundation and flatwork for their home sometime between the lower north fork,and the high park fires.She was the boss while her husband cut some trees and joked around ,nice folks. She tells me they got divorced,she wants to know if I am busy no reason probably needs money,she is selling the house. Just couldn’t resist pushing my glasses up on the forehead getting down to her level and giving her a parkinglot… Read more »

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I’m of the opinion Jimmy Carter was your best president. Well, you’re a furriner, so your ignorance is forgiven. hah! No one over here much likes him. What with the Persians mocking the U.S. nightly on the news and all. And Carter’s folly involving crashing helis in the desert. Then he believed the Club of Rome bilge. Certainly your most intelligent. Cleverness and wisdom are two different things. He was an honest politician (how many of those around?) who wanted to wean the nation off of oil. Honesty is sooo overrated. The public would ultimately turn on him as they… Read more »

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The “overpopulation” furphy never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps some countries, which are unsuited to independently sustaining large populations, are indeed overpopulated. Instead of curtailing their growth, they seek to export their excess population (usually useless mouths) to the West. Western nations (and Japan) sound the alarm about their own aging populations (only Japan has the sense to avoid mass immigration, because they realise their culture is more important than money). Let’s say we did run out of fossil fuels. So what? More efficient mass transit might be better utilised; use of bicycles and horse drawn transport would increase. Ok,… Read more »

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@Rollo Viewed from a Red Pill perspective Allied’s dialogue just flows from the pages of some of these posts. The way in which he suspects but fails to confirm the “Bohemian friends” she invites to the party are actually her handlers and cohorts—- or in the context of this blog: Orbiters. The way in which his handlers at V Section are in effect the Red Pill guys trying to unplug him and he refuses to believe it…he’s constantly in denial right up until the piano-playing episode. He can’t believe she sent the fake message he laid out for her despite… Read more »

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@Asdgamer The low oil price is a political farce. The cost of producing a barrel of oil is $80. So how can it be sold for $56 a barrel? America is seeking to destabilise Russia’s economy (which is heavily reliant on oil exports). It needs to do this in order to force Russia out of Syria. Syria is of strategic military importance for the invasion of Iran and it’s oil reserves. Saudi Arabia is bankrupting itself at the United State’s behest, to achieve artificially low oil prices. Even so rationing of oil will need to happen in the U.S. if… Read more »

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She was telling me there was no big mariage trouble he was just being a doofus.I am thinking frivorce,then her son comes out of the store,dressed flaming gay,now I am begining to guess at her ex husbands consternation.

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Ollie The prices or valuation of everything is out of whack,due to an abundance of investment money and a large number of investors. Oil is actually overpriced,falsley inflated.As of three years ago supply passed demand,all the tanks are full,ships,trucks,storage and trains. Depending on the method of extracting,and the cost of refining,production costs seem to lie in between the $40 and $70 a barrel #.A good bet would be to build oil storage facilities. The US oil reserves are really an estimated amount of what is in the ground that isn’t being pumped etc. When a well breaks down and the… Read more »

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“The low oil price is a political farce. The cost of producing a barrel of oil is $80. So how can it be sold for $56 a barrel?”

http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/

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Correction not production cost rather exploration and drilling:new production.

Once a well is up and running operating cost is low and the actual cost depends largely on quantity and quality of formation.

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All that said,never heard anyone cry louder than a millionaire oil field owner when the price goes down,sheesa construction guys just suck it up and go find another way to survive.

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Looking forward to Rollo’s next post so the convo here departs from the hampster circle jerk about resource economics and gets back to Red Pill. Ollie, there is a shit ton of incredibly valuable older posts linked on this site that offer more value than jerking off about peak oil hysteria. Can you do anything about the price of oil? Nope. But a bottoms up approach to Red Pill is offered in hundreds of ways in links on TRM.

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“Looking forward to Rollo’s next post so the convo here departs from the hampster circle jerk about resource economics and gets back to Red Pill.”

But…wait! No one has even brought up the oil bourse yet.
There’s at least 500 more posts to go.

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I have some sympathy for those people,although it looks like karma,in reality they were sold the same blue pill egalitarian lie as the rest of us. Now they are divorced,their only son is gay,losing their dream home,all shattered because of an erroneous belief system.Sad part is she will never see it and continue as an educator in the same falsities that ruined her dreams passing the pain on to yet another generation of youth. If I speak out adamantly against it,I am the bad guy as things have gone to far. For women it is just too painful for everyone… Read more »

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“There’s at least 500 more posts to go.”

A good and appropriate place to take them:

http://kunstler.com/writings/clusterfuck-nation/

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In Ollie’s defense,if oil did hit eighty a barrel,you would have trouble using a phone in Jackson hole.All circuits are busy. Back to my one sided OT rant. You could argue that the boy was born gay,or epigenetics made him that way and social pressure has nothing to do with it. As I recall the Mrs. was the boss,here lies the power,everybody wants some.A lot of women call me initialy,because the husband is busy,then he will take over the contract and negotiation the scheduling decisions etc. not so in this case she handled every decision while he made the jokes… Read more »

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Thank you Rollo

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If that is the case then it would only make sense for a man to hold on to his effeminate mannerisms including the machiavelian together with the passive aggressive indirect manipulations of the blue pill man. After all without the strength of the patriarchy,the feminine has the power and this would appear to the inexperienced as the path to achieve power. According to my observations these men were born into the egalitarian experimental prison,are institutionalized and fear escape to freedom. Adam has it most correct with his comparison to the Israelites 40 years in the desert,a generation of slaves giving… Read more »

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@Roused My recent post on U.S. intentions in regards to Syria and Iran wasn’t meant to stoke anti American sentiment. What America is doing and has done is no different to what Russia, China, the United Kingdom, Portugal or any other country on the face of the planet would do in America’s position. It’s not a question of right and wrong, just what is. I’m glad you brought up the topic of the wealth of articles on the Rational Male. I was reading through Rollo’s essay on ‘Equalism and Masculinity’ and found a comment by DarkPill which intrigued me. Here… Read more »

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Rollo

You should do a post on this

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-teacher-kidnapped-20170422-story.html

War brides meets the FI and blue pill apologists…

Fascinating coverage.

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Ollie My recent post on U.S. intentions in regards to Syria and Iran was very boring and way off topic. FIFY. There are many places on the web for you to go on at great length about poltics, energy, and any other topic. But not many places exist to discuss male / female relations with realism. When you drag all of your pet causes in here, it gets in the way of more on topic discussions. Every movement ever devised has had lines of enquiry it would rather not answer and it’s members know not to ask. But for any… Read more »

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If honesty is overrated, then by virtue, the truth must be also.

Here’s where we part ways. Honesty and truth are only loosely connected. A fool may be honest, but unacquainted with Truth.

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@ Ton

Man, I had a great time. It was hard to come back. But once I reached the Fort McHenry tunnel, there was no turning back. Lol. My ” to do ” list for 2017 includes head South more often.

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@ stuffinbox Imo, the industrial strength version of the Blue Pill combined with supercharged FI shaming that abounds, effects men and boys in ways other than divorce, dead bedrooms and general unhappiness. Quite a few women/girls I know that are much younger than I, take great pleasure over any sort of homosexuality and feel empowered and liberated by others ability to be who they really are without judgment. It’s all just another cudgel to bludgeon men with at the end of the day, but it hurts young men, I think, even more than young women who decide to ” experiment… Read more »

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SFCTon

I made this run twice,great time had by all.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RidMGJftGN8&w=560&h=315%5D

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Yes very rare in nature indeed,and seems to be a popular movement these days.media only escalates this movement.Never was much of a cheerleader.Not that I mind a cheerleader now and then,there is a time and event for this action and perversity isn’t it.

This younger friend of mine 36yo first wife left took the kids and went lez,he was visiting his daughters,they told him most of the girls in school are going gay lez.
He thinks it may be a conspiracy for population control.You know what I think.He could be right.

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@ Ollie “-“A man’s inherent SMV is based off his genetic stock and everything else is superfluous.” “To acknowledge the truth that a lot of your sexual success in life is predetermined by birth is the real “unplugging.” “But, I believe the manosphere will never acknowledge this ultimate truth because just like feminism, it relies on lies to stay alive. It took me a while to realize this but the irony that both movements share is simply hilarious.”-” Ohhhhh bullshit x10. Looks matter. Maximizing your looks matters. Watch younger women over a long period of time, and you will see… Read more »

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Then I asked him ” how many guys do you think I’ve fucked in my life ?”. He blinked and laughed and said ” None, probably “, then I told him ” but you have no idea, right? ” and he shook his head in the negative. Then I asked him to take a guess at how many women and chickens he thought I might have fucked and he shrugged and said he had no idea.

LMFAO….. well done…

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“Quite a few women/girls I know that are much younger than I, take great pleasure over any sort of homosexuality and feel empowered and liberated by others ability to be who they really are without judgment. It’s all just another cudgel to bludgeon men with at the end of the day, but it hurts young men, I think, even more than young women who decide to ” experiment ” with sexuality. Society is becoming one gigantic cheering section.” The in-your-face celebration of homosexuality is just a meta shit test. A taunt and useful feminism tool/tactic. https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/01/sexual-fluidity/ “The newest feminine social… Read more »

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@Ollie

If that were true, we really WOULDN’T need fathers.

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@Blax “So after conversing for a while, the young man bluntly asked me, ” Soooo…you don’t approve of gay men, huh?”. My youngest mumbled ” oh shit ” under her breath and excused herself from the table. I gave my standard preamble when addressing those younger than myself – ” I’m going to use some terse language and bad words, so do not be offended..”. Then I told him that I considered homosexuality rare in all of nature. Key word being ” rare “. So no, I don’t buy the legion of gay guys I see everywhere now. In my… Read more »

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good post SJF,I somehow missed this one.It goes a long way into explaining how this got started,we won’t see the statistics of the youth sexual fluidity movement for years if ever.

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“I hope he cuts himself over this. ”

Probably ran out the door and went straight to focus on the family.After changing his shorts first.

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@ Yollo Lol. Understand, I don’t have anything against people liking to bang people with identical equipment. This is a different place where ISIS won’t throw one from a building for being gay. But people think in some fashion that I ” hate “. That’s where the bullshit comes into play. If my 80-something year old neighbor came and sat next to me on my porch and started recounting his sexual escapades from the night before, I’d ask him to get the fuck off my porch with that shit. It’s not a mutual conversation. It’s an invasion of sorts. If… Read more »

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“Beautiful women with dirty thoughts”…
http://tynan.com/quality
http://bit.ly/2oycobx
http://bit.ly/2ogNIrT

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Nick Christakis was named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world and Foreign Policy magazine called him one of the top global thinkers, but I think it’s Yale Girl who brought him to most people’s attention. Yeah, he’s this dude:

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