Sublimation

One question I was asked in my recent interview with Christian McQueen came from a read Cheryl:

Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?

Seems simple enough, right? I mean, hell, I got into all kinds of trouble for suggesting ways men might use in the vetting process of determining a woman’s suitability for a long term investment (however you want to define that). I can certainly understand the criticism. I seem to run into two extremes in this respect. On the one hand I get run up the flagpole for even suggesting men might qualify a woman for anything more than a pump & dump. The danger is too great and the more hardline MGTOW a guy might be, the more misleading he thinks my suggesting guys vet a woman is.

On the other extreme, there are the guys who tend to preemptively White Knight for themselves. In this perspective his standards (according his Red Pill awareness) require the utmost scrutiny for any woman to be considered worthy of his attention. In fact, just that he would consider a woman suitable ought to be flattering for her.

Now, those are two ends of the bell curve, but it’s the guys in the middle who, as Cheryl says, seem to give very little thought about a girl he wants to bang. This is a fairly innocuous question, but it has many answers.

First and foremost, it is biological. There are aspects about women that trigger a sexual response for men. We evaluate sexual potential and sexual availability of a woman all in a matter of seconds. He’s found out all he needs to know about a woman he wants to have sex with by whether or not he gets an erection with her. I think it was Roosh who dubbed this the boner test. In polite society this is the vulgar answer, but a man’s unconscious sexual response is the result of millennia of pragmatic and efficient evolution.

All sexual response in humans has evolved to be so autonomous you don’t notice it functioning in your mental processing. That’s one reason appealing to sexuality in commercial advertising is so reliable and ubiquitous – the response is always running as a background subroutine in our hindbrains. In our evolutionary past it served men best to hone their sexual evaluation and response to a woman within moments because anything less, any over-investment in that assessment, had the potential of his being killed by a rival for whom he might be competing with intrasexually.

Assessing sexual availability and suitability evolved to be an instantaneous and subconscious process for men because men also had the lowest investment requirement in reproduction. I often delve into explaining the mechanics of raw female Hypergamy on this blog, but it’s important to consider how women’s fundamental sexual strategy forces men’s own strategies to adapt. What we call ‘pump & dump’ now was a very pragmatic, often life-preserving reproductive strategy for men to follow in our prehistory. Since Estrus is largely concealed in human females it made sense for men to adopt a sexual strategy, and consequentially evolve a physical sexual response, based on immediacy.

Men’s sexuality is ‘always on’. Men are aroused sexually far quicker and with much less prerequisite cues and stimuli than are women. You have to work a woman up to sexual arousal. In some instances that may be an easy task (if the guy is an idealized Alpha for instance), but by comparison healthy men’s sexual response is far more responsive than that of women. You might think, “well duh, Rollo, everyone knows women need foreplay and an emotional kick (good or bad)”, but this is one of those “well duh” moments we need to review in order to understand why men don’t apply themselves more to sexual qualification of women.

Now carry this dynamic into the present. This immediate sexual evaluation and response  was a great evolutionary adaptation benefit for prehistoric men – assess it, hit it and run – but in today’s world, it’s largely a disadvantage because social and environmental conditions have changed. Our mental subroutines are the same our ancestors had, but the environment they evolved in is largely gone and forgotten. However, the vestiges of this evolution are something we need to contend with today. I think it’s ironic how ready we are to accept that our bodies process and prioritizes calories of certain foodstuffs as a result of how food scarcity in our evolutionary past made for a more efficient physical machine. Today, food is plentiful, but our physiology still processes food as if food was scarce. As a result we see epidemic obesity rates.

Mind Over Matter

That’s easy to understand, but what our social and physical conditions demand from us now is us exercising self-control over the consequences of those evolved vestiges. Largely we think a fat guy is weak for not having restraint with food and prioritizing exercise (and exercise he needed for survival in the past), but what we don’t like to accept is that our physical nature is what sets our operative conditions today.

We expect much of the same modern day self-control over our evolved sexual response too. The more noble, higher-order thinking aspects we value today are really mechanisms intended to sublimate evolved aspects of ourselves that used to be the most pragmatic and efficient means of solving the problem of reproduction and survival. Mind (or spirit) over matter doesn’t preclude the influences of these evolved motivators – nor does it (or should it) absolve men of consequences of his behavior.

In psychology, sublimation is a mature type of defense mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses or idealizations are unconsciously transformed into socially acceptable actions or behavior, possibly resulting in a long-term conversion of the initial impulse.

Sigmund Freud believed that sublimation was a sign of maturity (indeed, of civilization), allowing people to function normally in culturally acceptable ways. He defined sublimation as the process of deflecting sexual instincts into acts of higher social valuation, being “an especially conspicuous feature of cultural development; it is what makes it possible for higher psychical activities, scientific, artistic or ideological, to play such an important part in civilized life”. Similar views state that sublimation is when displacement “serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions”.

In short, sublimation is a result of restraining those evolved aspects of ourselves and channeling that motivation and impetus to other endeavors. I think one of the key understandings that Red Pill men need to grasp is how these underlying motivators operate in themselves as well as how they affect women. Game is greatly enhanced by a real good understanding of how a woman does or does not sublimate certain aspects of herself. In fact, I would argue that since the time of the Sexual Revolution, and the social unfettering of Hypergamy, women have systematically changed how they sublimate their evolved impulses. The rise of our feminine-primary social order has been molded by how women have been absolved of the consequences of realigning this sublimation, or unapologetically dropping it altogether.

Simultaneously, this social order has increased the liability for men who cannot or will not adopt the forms of sublimating their own impulses according to feminine-primacy. As you might guess, this coincides with the Male Catch 22, men’s Burden of Performance and men being held to old order social contracts while also being expected to respect new order social mandates. Men are held accountable for any marginal lack of self-control (sublimation of evolved imperatives), while women are socially absolved of, and sometimes rewarded for a lack of control over their Hypergamous impulses.

Roissy once stated that the goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. How we reward and punish either sex’s capacity to sublimate their feral natures is how this is effected.

Devil in the Details

Yet the bewilderment persists, why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves. What the question presumes is men’s sublimation should align with the sexual strategies of women and to their ‘correct’ benefit. It also presumes women’s sexual strategies are in no way intended to confuse or capitalize on a man’s value to her. I don’t mention this to be mean or imply judgement, rather that arousal and attraction don’t happen in a vacuum. I’ve made this analogy before, but,…

T-rex doesn’t want to be fed; he wants to hunt. You can’t just suppress sixty-five million years of gut instinct.
– Dr. Grant, Jurassic Park

Sexuality, families, and men did not come about because of society. To the contrary, sexuality, families, and men are what made society possible in the first place. – Pook

Men’s brains evolved to sexually objectify women. In order for this assessment to take place the mental construct of perceiving women as objects was a necessary evolutionary step. The simple truth is that it’s part of men’s neurological firmware to see women’s bodies as objects. It’s a well studied fact that when men see an arousing woman’s semi-nude body it triggers the same area of our brains associated with tool use. Sexual objectification is a survival feature for men, not a bug. Furthermore, studies show that men’s brains will prioritize sex even above food acquisition.

None of these facts absolve men of personal responsibility for their actions – however, men making less than wise decisions with regards to sex are following their evolutionary directive. Today’s women feign some ignorance of this, but what they don’t appreciate is that their own directive, the dualistic nature of Hypergamy, is not the same as men’s. And yet again we become victims of the teachings of equalism that wants us to believe men and women are the same, and as such men ought to be able to sublimate themselves in the same manner as women.

169 comments

  1. And just today after seeing a young girl way lacking in muscle tone walk by at the airport wearing denim shorts with both butt cheeks a good 2-3 inches showing, I again thought about how never before has booty been on display like it is now. Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants. So much so I’m considering carrying my camera as much as possible just to see how often it happens day to day.
    Men adapt to women’s sexual strategy, but women openly adapt to men’s sexual strategy and desire cues. But it’s always the denial of it that is amusing.

    You contemplate if Cheryl’s question came from her wondering about how men can want to get with a girl so quickly, (as all of them seem to be confused about and always want to shame men for) or for her want of her personality to be considering out of competition anxiety from the younger prospects?

  2. “Yet the bewilderment persists, why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves. What the question presumes is men’s sublimation should align with the sexual strategies of women and to their ‘correct’ benefit.”

    We do. A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society.

    There are legal frameworks in place that could potentially cuckold the man, and result in him providing for other males’ children. I wouldn’t necessarily classify this as feminine-primacy; it could also be viewed as giving lower-status males more mating opportunities.

  3. I will postulate that the reason men complain to women like Cheryl,is that they are sublimated in to the matrix and lack the understanding of her total solipsistic lack of empathy.
    So that while hoping for some sympathy sex they wind up ridiculed as disgusting.

    While at the same time Cheryls sublimation into the now wave of feminism causes her to ask rude questions on a men’s site.

    This is using a more physical definition of sublime.

  4. @Nationalists

    A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society.

    Let’s fix this:

    “A man who earns higher income has more options to be a beast of burden aka “slave”. He can provide for more offspring (not necessarily his own).”

  5. “there are the guys who tend to preemptively White Knight for themselves. In this perspective his standards (according his Red Pill awareness) require the utmost scrutiny for any woman to be considered worthy of his attention.”

    me.

    “why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves.”

    I cannot sublimate my sexual desire, but I can drain it to the brink of exhaustion. I’ve had sex 5 times in the last 48 hours. in order for a woman to pass the boner test she has to be hotter than my hb8 wife, single, super clean, super cool, under 25, totally sweet and totally submissive.

    otherwise, I just don’t care because 90% of women are so far beneath me that they don’t register anything in my brain except disgust.

    it’s very easy to be very selective when you’re never more than a couple hours off/from a wicked blowjob. even if I wanted to quick bang some 7 in a bathroom, the drained balls cost/benefit analysis allows me to make the best decision for my long term well being because I’ll just go home and plow my wife like the whore in the bathroom without worrying about FRA, disease, aggressive jealous men coming after me, her somehow finding out where I live, etc. I will literally tell the wife, “you’re some whore I just met in the bar and I’m going to fuck you in the bathroom.” she say something like, “yeah. I’m your dirty fucktoy. you’re gonna use this pussy and then throw me away.”

    it’s tough because you can’t be rational and vet with full balls. if every guy had a hot fucktoy he could nail before he went out then only sweet feminine hotties would get approached and then all those fat nasty 4-6s would get no attention and be forced to become thin and lovely and submissive and then guys would have tons of fuckable prospects to sarge and fuck. maybe that’s what the sex dolls will be good for. maybe they’ll be so realistic that they can trick a guy’s brain into thinking he just fucked a sweet piece and it’s a waste of time to approach anyone less attractive than the bot.

    if I was single and went more than three days without fucking, I’d probably be approaching horrible 6s. I’d fuck one and then the shame/disgust I felt when I was done would be enough to get me back to jerking off and only approaching feminine 8+. but this is not a long term solution because man doesn’t just want to cum. he wants to cum inside sweet feminine hotties.

    “men making less than wise decisions with regards to sex are following their evolutionary directive.”

    fuck directives. I’m in control and I choose not to fuck any woman who I’d be embarrassed to be seen having a meal with in daylight. shame can be a good thing. it used to be shameful to be a fat slut. it used to be shameful to fuck fat sluts. now judgment is a bad word and discrimination in anything is a fucking crime.

    I do judge. I do discriminate. I have senses so I have sense.

    “if it ain’t kush, it don’t touch my light”

  6. Excellent essay Rollo.

    The original picture alone tells the whole story. Women fetishizing a satyr (otherwise know as fetishizing dick in the wild) requires man to discriminate. Or be dragged into the Feminine Imperative waters.

    The original picture is women not sublimating totally their fetish for Alpha men. And the satyr’s fears of not vetting the nymphs properly so they don’t attempt to push him into the waters for their own ravishment.

    http://scholarworks.montana.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1/827/AndersonE1211.pdf

    Meanwhile, a crack on the head is what you get for not vetting.

    Apologies for posting blue pill music videos. Apparently I was too distracted by medical school to actually know The Smiths even existed back in 1984-1988. Years later the four years younger crowd including my wife and friends informed me they were actually a thing in their college years.

    Johnny Marr certainly could do a good thematic thing with his writing and rockabilly sensibilities with a guitar.

    Vet on.

    Lyrics

    Unruly boys
    Who will not grow up
    Must be taken in hand
    Unruly girls
    Who will not settle down
    They must be taken in hand

    A crack on the head
    Is what you get for not asking
    And a crack on the head
    Is what you get for asking

    Unruly boys
    Who will not grow up
    Must be taken in hand
    Unruly girls
    Who will not settle down
    They must be taken in hand

    A crack on the head
    Is what you get for not asking
    And a crack on the head
    Is what you get for asking

    No, a crack on the head
    Is what you get for not asking
    And a crack on the head
    Is what you get for asking

    A crack on the head
    Is just what you get
    Why, because of who you are
    And a crack on the head
    Is just what you get
    Why, because of what you are
    A crack on the head
    Because of
    The things you said
    That you said
    The things you did

    Unruly boys
    Who will not grow
    Must be taken in hand
    Unruly girls
    Who will not grow
    They must be taken in hand
    Ah, oh, no, oh, no
    Ah, oh, no, oh, no
    No, no, no, no
    Ah, oh, no, oh, no
    Ah, oh, no, oh, no
    No, no, no

  7. ” We do. A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society.”

    This is true is some instances. Untrue in many others. This is speaking of providers. There is a division between providers and fuckers. Sometimes they are one in the same, sometimes not.

    There’s more than 1 version of the Red Pill in Life ( I need to start putting that on T-shirts ).

    Why would a man with ” higher income ” have more options? Think about it for a second or two.

    Why would a woman married to a high earning individual bang the shit out of the UPS guy delivering a package?

    Get this here gentlemen – money will not save you in dealings with women, at least not money alone. No fucking shortcuts of worth.

    Believing that anything other than your own mind can somehow ” save ” you is a losing proposition. A weak, ugly, Super Beta dude can catch a beautiful hb9-10 ( lmao….), but does he really have her? Does his cash negate his need to understand what he’s dealing with in his wife – and even his offspring for that matter?

    Money is never an answer to everything. Some shit you have to know and understand.

    So let’s separate this out for the newbs and guys trying to learn and understand:

    ” A man who earns higher income has more sexual options “. True. On the surface. Hypergamy and all.

    ” He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society”

    Ummm… is this 1822? A dolt with 50 million is still a dolt. Offspring will have ” sexual viability “( …what does that even mean ) whether the father is a billionaire or a thousandaire or a no-pot-to-piss-in- aire. This stuff is not about the money Lebowski.

    There are billions and billions and more billions of poor folk on earth. And they will all reproduce, and so will their kids and their grandkids. Lots of folks have sexual options. It’s the ones with tons of cash or muscles or whatever that have to be extra careful. You don’t know what you’re actually getting in that ton of options.

    Which brings us right back to my favorite thing in the whole wide world – VETTING. Nothing obfuscates vetting for long term ( assuming that’s the plan for having kids. Raising them ).

    So newbs reading along, don’t buy into the ” must have millions ” to get satisfaction ( or even pussy ) out of life.

    Great way to have somebody take half of your shit.

    Knowledge trumps cashflow in the final analysis.

  8. ” There are legal frameworks in place that could potentially cuckold the man, and result in him providing for other males’ children. I wouldn’t necessarily classify this as feminine-primacy; it could also be viewed as giving lower-status males more mating opportunities”…

    Oh man. Just…ooohhh maaannn.

  9. I don’t think that having a sexuality that is only active in any useful way for a third of the time really qualifies as sublimation.

    Much like breathing and menstruating simultaneously don’t count as multi-tasking.

    A man seeing a woman, thinking, she’s hot, and here I go talking to her implementing game aaaannnnnnd Boom she’s available. Counts as vetting to me.

    It’s not like Men have a spectrograph to find out whether a woman is doing drugs or a tri-corder to find out if she’s got a disease.

    The REAL problem is most men don’t even have real social lives in any Red Pill “Apex Alphahood as the goal” sort of context. Instead, men are being taught to use their energies to “qualify” for women’s approval. And Mommy’s. And his worthless buddies. And the kids who laughed earlier. And Goatse.

    So they lack the super cool super smooth skillz or social circle that send the message to women that they aught to “come correct”.

  10. ” sexual viability “( …what does that even mean ) whether the father is a billionaire or a thousandaire or a no-pot-to-piss-in- aire. This stuff is not about the money Lebowski.

    The more social status offspring has, the better chance of mating and being able to select mates that possess high quality traits, that also increases the viability of further downstream generations. Basically it is all about reducing the chances that your lineage hits a bottleneck that it can’t recover from (from an evolutionary standpoint).

  11. “So newbs reading along, don’t buy into the ” must have millions ” to get satisfaction ( or even pussy ) out of life.

    Great way to have somebody take half of your shit.

    Knowledge trumps cashflow in the final analysis.”

    I did the best job of vetting I knew at the time. Which was she was a good lay and had good qualities after fucking her. And also the Rollo Tomassi thought that you, you fucker have instincts, an you should lay with them. As in “It seemed to be the right thing to do”.

    That being said, I maid the conscious decision to own my own shit nine years ago (along with the economic downturn) to just go with the wealth thing. To own it. I have good cash flow but it is marginal ( I had saved, but life gets in the way of things and I had a big draw-down on reserves).

    Best thing I did was to keep Frame in wealth. My wealth doesn’t dictate my Frame. My wealth doesn’t do anything other than create soft dread in relationship to her (my wife’s profligate friends Frame).

    Lack of wealth is a Frame builder. All my wealth is forward built. 401K and wealthy mother. Good cash flow and a mindset that “This too shall pass.” figures into the mindset. Wealth is No Big Deal.

    Money is not a thing.

    That fascination thing about the woo-woo of Vadim Zeland is just merely a model at best. The map is not the territory at worst.

    It proves nothing. I motivates what it motivates. Money is as money does. It is not you. You are you.

    Money

    It is almost impossible to avoid a dependent relationship on money because it is very hard to love money without wanting more of it. All one can do is attempt to limit the aspect of dependency to a minimum. Be happy if money has come to you but never kill yourself worrying about not having enough money, or spending it, otherwise you will have less and less of it. If a person does not earn much money they probably make the mistake of complaining that they never have enough because the parameters of this type of thought energy correspond to life lines in which there is no wealth.

    It is particularly dangerous to give in to an anxiety that your income is gradually decreasing. Fear represents the most energetically intense emotion a human being can experience and so when a person fears losing money or not earning enough money they activate the most effective method there is for shifting to life lines where they really do have less and less money. Freeing oneself from the money trap is difficult but it can be done. First the cause of the excess potential has to be eliminated, which will either be strong dependency on money, or a very intense desire to have money.

    Start by accepting and enjoying what you already have. Remember that things could always be worse. You do not have to stop wanting money entirely but you can relax about the fact that it is not rolling in with the force of a gushing river. Take the position of the gambler who could at any moment just as easily hit the jackpot as lose everything.

    For pendulums, money is a universal means of rewarding their adherents. It is the activity of pendulums that has led to

    the widespread idolization of money. Money helps us to provide a good life for ourselves in the material world. Almost anything can be bought and sold. All pendulums use money as payment and there is a hidden danger in this. Having taken the falsely glittering bait it is easy to switch to a life line that lies far away from your true happiness.

    In pursuing their own interests, pendulums have created the myth that in order to achieve your goals you have to have money. As a result, people replace their original goal with the artificial substitute of money. Money can be gained from different pendulums and so people shift their focus from the goal to money and come under the influence of a pendulum that is alien to them. People then lose a sense of what they really want from life and focus on the fruitless search for money.

    This state of affairs is very profitable for the pendulum but not so profitable for the individual who becomes dependent and loses their way. No-one will ever make a lot of money working for a pendulum that functions outside of the context of their true purpose because they just end up serving someone else’s objective. A lot of people live in exactly this position. This is how the myth arose that wealth is the privilege of the minority. In actual fact anyone can become rich if they serve their own goals.

    Money is not the goal nor is it really even the means to reaching the goal. It is simply an accompanying attribute. The goal is what a person really wants in life such as to have their own house and grow roses; travel the world and visit faraway places; catch trout in Alaska; go skiing in the Alps; raise horses on their own farm; enjoy life on their own oceanic island; become a movie star or an artist.

    It is true that certain goals can be achieved if you have a sack of money so this is what the majority of people do; they go after that sack. By focusing on the money they put the goal itself on the back burner. According to the principles of Transurfing, this is like trying to get onto a life line where a sack of money awaits but you find it almost impossible to get there because you are working for someone else’s pendulum. In the end, the person loses out both on the money and their own goal because their thought energy is focused on a substitute for their true purpose.

    We will return to this issue in the chapter “Goals and Doors”. For now we can draw one general conclusion which is that if you have placed the likelihood of achieving your goal on the condition of getting rich first, drop the condition fast. Let us take an example. If your dream is to travel round the world then obviously this requires a lot of money. To fulfil you dream do not think about the money; keep your thoughts on the original goal. The money will come to you because it is an accompanying attribute to the goal. It is really very simple. It sounds unlikely I know but this is really how things work and soon you will realise that for yourself. In pursuing their own end, pendulums have turned everything upside down. It is not that the goal is achieved with the help of money but rather the money that follows on as you create the path to your goal.

    Now you can see just what a powerful influence pendulums have and how many seeds have been sewn for myths and misunderstandings. Reading these lines you may object that it is obvious that first a person becomes a large industrialist or a banker or a film star and then they become a millionaire. It is true that those who become millionaires are those who think not of wealth but of following their own goal. The majority of people think and do the opposite. They either serve someone else’s goal, replacing their own with an artificial substitute, or renounce their own dream entirely because the condition of having to be rich first seems unachievable.

    In actual fact there are no limitations to wealth. You can desire anything you want. If it is truly yours to have you will receive it. If the goal has been imposed upon you by a pendulum you will not get anywhere. We will talk about goals in more detail later. I am rushing ahead a little but that is unavoidable because there is not anything else to be said about money. Money is nothing more than an accompanying attribute on the path to yourgoal. Do not worry about money and it will come to you of its own accord. The most important thing now is to reduce the importance of capital to a minimum so that you do not create excess potential. Think only of the thing you wish to achieve.

    At the same time, you should be attentive to money and treat it carefully. If you see a small coin on the street and are too lazy to pick it up, it suggests that you do not respect money at all. The money pendulum will hardly be well disposed towards you if you treat its attributes carelessly.

    Neither should you worry about spending money because this is a necessary part of fulfilling your mission. If you have made the decision to spend money on something have no regrets. When you try to save up a handsome sum and spend as little as possible you create strong excess potential because energy has been built up in one place. In this case it is highly likely that you could lose everything. Money should be spent wisely to keep a flow going as potential appears where there is no flow of energy. Wealthy people support charities with good reason as it reduces the excess potential of their accumulated wealth. –Vadim Zeland, a passage from Transurfing Reality.

  12. Meeting and mating
    Rollo this is very true with me at the moment. Letting go and moving on and accepting the T. rex with respect and giving it the space it needs. To hunt to feed to live and die.

  13. “The more social status offspring has, the better chance of mating and being able to select mates that possess high quality traits, that also increases the viability of further downstream generations. Basically it is all about reducing the chances that your lineage hits a bottleneck that it can’t recover from (from an evolutionary standpoint)”.

    Wow like the socialy popular Bruce Jenner,Bottlneck oh wait.

  14. I’ll just state for the record that money is not the only means to status. Lack of cash isn’t an inhibitor of tingles nor does it prevent social proof and preselection.

    Some of the best sexual experiences of my life were when I only had a used pick up truck and a half stack amplifier as my only liquid assets in my 20s.

  15. @

    It’s not like Men have a spectrograph to find out whether a woman is doing drugs or a tri-corder to find out if she’s got a disease.

    Bullshit. There are many diseases that don’t produce overt, sensory displays/symptoms that you can see before you approach…e.g. chlamydia, HPV, herpes, AIDS, gonorrhea

    Both men and women get them. Even if you didn’t realize it, you’ve probably had an STD.
    Knowledge is power when it comes to your sexual health. Recognizing the symptoms is a start, but you won’t always notice chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, and other STDs.

    http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/most-common-stds-men-women#1

  16. “The dualistic nature of Hypergamy, is not the same as men’s.”

    Projection once again.

    The female’s beta bucks radar is so finely tuned and adept at spotting a BBs that it is innately assumed men should also possess this trait. Or at least willingly place himself at the service of a woman ‘settling’.

    It’s in the language, for a man entertaining an alpha fucks woman, “She’s trouble, what’s he doing with her, she’s a man eater, he doesn’t know what he is getting into, you can’t handle me etc.”

    Or the flip side for a man not entertaining being a beta Bucks, “You should just settle, be yourself, she’s a nice girl, manchild, grow up, man up, we want a nice guy etc.”

    That’s why nice guys are so vilified, they should innately know that they’re on the shelf and should not dare presume they have a right to play the alpha fucks game.

  17. SFJ

    Glad you brought up Vadim ZeLand, Reality Transurfing has opened up my world view big time.

  18. Oh Johny

    It’s pretty ironic that the inspiration was Luke RSD (whom I’m convinced is actually Yareally IRL) for mentioning that book, and the book is everything that Rollo would despise. + or – woo woo shit. But for someone that has their shit together the positive mindset is something to behold. Say someone is positive and their barriers to progress are low with slight impediments to advancing their game, well life is their oyster.

    I’m thinking the mindset of guys like me, possibly you, Sentient, Rollo, Blaximus, Habd, KFG. What the hell is the low downside and high upside from a positive mindset in Red Pill. Answer: Nothing.

    Of all its message it is only a model that guys like Andy could appreciate. The model is formulated out of thin air, no different from the Alan Watts models. It’s not a script. It’s a model of positive mindset. It is not the territory it is just a map.

    Good luck with that, we all need good models.

  19. Blaximus
    Ummm… is this 1822? A dolt with 50 million is still a dolt.

    Read Jane Austin. Even in 1802 a dolt with a fortune was still a dolt.

  20. Way behind the curve SFJ, completely fucked up childhood, old man was a communist counter intel officer that penetrated a terrorist fascist cell getting many arrested for over 20 years for plotting terrorist acts. He ended up getting extradicted leaving me and the old lady for dead and on the run while being chased by fascists hell bent on murder and revenge.

    That’s why I understand Scribblerg, sometimes it’s like pushing shit up a hill but it is what it is and like Vadim says you should be thankful for not getting what you wanted. In another life path variation it could have been a hell of lot worse :). Was a bees dick away from getting throat slashed, saved by mistaken identity.

    It may be woo woo but it certainly fits in nicely with quantum physics, eusociality (great book on the topic, The Lucifer principle) and the Kyballion (many think this is woo woo too but Bernardo Kastrup is pre-eminent philosopher and physicist who seems to inadvertently back it up).

  21. I’ll stick with the “boner test”.
    Women are only playthings anyway!
    Do I enjoy fucking her?
    After sex is she good feminine company? Is all I need to know, if shit goes sideways I’ll just get another one.

    She’s only going to lie and present a fictional version of herself based on what she thinks you’re looking for anyways.

    Women don’t do real self improvement they just convince themselves that they already are “better” because if she can’t convince herself it will be more difficult for her to sell it to you.

    She will rewrite her sexual history
    and “because she’s a different person now” well that’s the way she has always been.

    Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar that’s been learning game from the age of 12?

  22. Good post, it goes a long way to explaining the biological attraction to “crazy”…to BPD’s, to Cluster B’s….

    Men don’t look at the wider consequences when “the sex is great”….

    This is where controlling your urges comes in and having an abundance mentality is critical to making better choices.

  23. Without seeing women as objects to be preserved, they wouldn’t be..preserved.

    Not sure about this pre-occupation by modern women to be seen as fungible commodities instead of a precious resource to be closely managed.

    Probably why the old ones are so bitter.

  24. @Play

    Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar…

    Due diligence. You get info about the woman from various sources. You can do background checks online. You can talk to her friends. She will give you lots of info about her family, friends, and acquaintances.

    Really, it’s not that difficult.

  25. Cheryl asked, “Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?”

    My answer to Cheryl – we usually have quite a bit of info about the chick we want to have sex with. When we want to fuck you, we notice everything we’re able to notice – things like what you wear, whether your cameltoe is a tad visible through those expensive brand new exercise pants, and the tattoo on your leg (which makes me wonder whether there’s a tramp stamp above that luscious ass). We look you up on social media and see how you represent yourself.

    We also notice contradictions which, thanks to the internet and social media, are easier to find than ever. For example, there’s a chick in my professional association who’s the wholesome girl-next-door if there ever was one. Or is she? Through a 4-minute internet search, I saw an otherwise hum-drum video of her being interviewed where the blouse opening seemed just a little too revealing, and I learned she spent quite a bit of time overseas (perhaps sampling the indigenous cock carousels where no one in Mayberry would ever find out?). No selfies or constant attention-whoring that I saw though. So, if I decide to try and get into her panties, the limited amount of info that’s out there, in tandem with my in-person interactions with her, gives me a good idea of how to proceed.

    And finally, Cheryl, the red pill helps us to see chicks for how they really are, not how we want them to be.

  26. @Water cannon
    Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants.

    Waiting in my truck at a local university campus to pick up my date I’m amazed at the number of young girls out and about in those yoga pants! Most are about 10lbs overweight and wear pants that have been washed a bit too much… but there’s others where the fit and the jiggle is just perfect.

  27. That picture… reminds me of the night 5 girls came to my dorm and kidnapped me and took me out to a club… DNB cause they looked like these girls too… LOL A little larger than my type… But a fun night nevertheless…

  28. @Rollo

    One question I was asked in my recent interview with Christian McQueen came from a read Cheryl:

    What does this mean?

    Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?

    Where in the interview was this question?

  29. @Playdontpay, your perspective on women is exactly why I tell men to avoid marriage altogether even though I’ve had a fantastic marriage myself for over 20 years.

    Most of the criticism I get for writing what I do and still maintaining a good relationship with Mrs. T comes from men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it. They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. So naturally any self respecting woman would never put up with a RP man’s outlook and approach, because they believe the blank slate lie.

    If egalitarianism between men and women were true I’d completely agree, but it isn’t. So in order to protect their ego investments, any woman who falls for a RP man MUST, by definition, be lacking in self esteem, self respect, low quality, etc. They believe that because anything else destroys their equalist fantasy world.

  30. Rollo
    …men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it.

    Often because they’ve been told since they were toddlers that there is “more to it”, also known as the Blue Pill.

    They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are.

    Exactly so and very important. The feminist fallacy of “interchangeable” leads to this. The mental habit some men have of projecting themselves onto others, believing “Well, I’m like this, so everyone else must be also” leads to this. It is extremely frustrating to encounter female behavior that is so obviously stupid it is like catching someone peeing in the kitchen sink.

    Many betaized men will put up with bad behavior for far too long, then have a major blowout of anger and expect behavioral change. That doesn’t work with toddlers or dogs or women. Constant, low key, correction does work. Neuroplasticity points to a “why”; daily reiteration of a desired habit works better than once per week, etc.

    It’s important to recognize the difference between real introspection and brooding or ruminating, too. Some women will brood over wrongs done but not connect that up with their own behavior. That’s not introspection. That’s not “failure analysis”. That’s rewiring neural pathways to perpetual resentment.

    So naturally any self respecting woman would never put up with a RP man’s outlook and approach, because they believe the blank slate lie.

    It is extremely difficult for an equalist, betaized man to accept the fact that women want and need to be dominated, because they for sure would hate and resent that. It is even worse for the churchgoing men, because equalist cant from the conservative feminists in churches is almost always slathered with a layer of “sisterly love”.

  31. Rollo, you have a BFA? Sheeayah, you were running Starving Artist Game back then and didn’t even know it?

  32. I’ve theorized for a while that civilization and nature are in constant conflict. It seems one has to be compromised or destroyed in order for the other to flourish. Everything in nature is not good ie “hurricanes, floods, earthquakes etc. Everyhing in human nature is not good ie “rape, jealousy, murder”. They are naturally reoccuring things though. Im postulating sublimation is an attempt to stay within acceptable societal standards in contrast to natural urges in order to reduce negative consequens enforced by the society you live in? For example “She is 16. She is a physically mature female and sexual reproduction is possible and highly likely with her… but she is 16.” A 16 yo male isnt thinking she is 16, he just sees a hot chick. A 30 yr old male would be considerd a criminal/pedo for acting on the same impulses but the teen boy is just being a boy. That makes no natural/physical sense considering in 2 years she would be 18 and it is legal yet nothing drastically changed biologically for her and the sexual firmware for most males is the same be them 16 or 96 .

    If a 30 yr old guy and a 44 yr old woman coopulate no one blinks an eye yet physically they are worlds apart as far as reproductive fitness is concerned. Why is that not considerd an unnatural pairing?

    Im not advocating sexual degeneracy im just baffled how male sexuality is always sublimating and shifting now that the Gynocentric society we live in is on overdrive.
    It seems like maximum restrictions are placed on male sexuality in order to commodify female sexuality and get as much excess productivity out of males as possible. There’s no yin and yang to it.

  33. How about a RP shop online… This here would make a great wedding present for a young fella to keep on his mantle to remind him of Frame…

  34. “I’ve theorized for a while that civilization and nature are in constant conflict.”

    Civilization actually is a social construct, by definition. An invention. It took homo sapiens circa 200k years to come up with the basic idea and another several thousand to develop it. Like all inventions, it requires maintenance.

    “A 16 yo male isnt thinking she is 16, he just sees a hot chick. A 30 yr old male would be considerd a criminal/pedo . . .”

    This is a very recent construct, although in most places 16 is consenting age (which is itself raised from the traditional age of consent which was tied to biological maturity). Age of consent may coincide with, but is not the same as, age of majority. Check your local laws. If you don’t like them, consider moving.

  35. Sentient, Rollo, someone tell me the name of that work. Pretty obvious that Bacchus is doing his thing with grapes, it looks like one of the 18th or 19th century copy / homage of Greco-Roman work.

  36. Canada held to the traditional Christian values age of consent, 14, until about 10 years ago. It did not suffer from the problems of Victorian era London East End that prompted the raising of the age of consent (problems that went away with the criminalization of prostitution in any case).

    It did, however, suffer from political pressure from its neighbor.

  37. Dear water boy, It’s not the WHY you want to get with her..I know that answer. (Some of us do get it). It’s the question. Of just maybe a longer than 5 min convo about her Fav drink..and her hottest sexual position. Don’t be shocked when something happens. As far as the worrying about the younger competition..I’m good with my place I. Life lol in fact I wouldn’t want to deal with stuff 20 year old deal with now for anything.

  38. Stuff inbox, It amazes me how after reading my one single question you can compile all of that about me. I in no way criticize ..anything . It was a question. But it’s guys like you that can’t see past a question from a female to just answer it and not attack. I’m sorry you can’t

  39. Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants.

    Waiting in my truck at a local university campus to pick up my date I’m amazed at the number of young girls out and about in those yoga pants!

    Heh, we have it in the office, too. Not yoga pants, per se, but “leggings” which pretty much give exactly the same amount of visual information.

    I’m not complaining, though. Yesterday, the hot blonde who sits in the cube outside my office was wearing a pair of those with 4.5 inch heels — pretty much perfect combination of flex and display. No complaints here.

  40. Last coyote, my question wasn’t for the guy who does the FBI checklist..it’s the one who 11pm enters club 1122p out the door and in a room (which who cares ). Just don’t be surprised. It’s funny isn’t it how almost everyone m/f aren’t how they really are? But we all have a vision how we’d want it to be.I also don’t understand the attraction with the cameltoe visual..but I’m a girl I just compare it to a man with shorts too tight and his balls hanging out ..ah doesn’t do it for me.

  41. @Cheryl:

    “It was a question.”

    From a woman. If you want to understand Stuffin Box, be a man.

    ” ..ah doesn’t do it for me.”

    Q.E.D.

  42. @ theadsgamer I get that I could do third party/social media due diligence, because the snowflakes are not going to melt themselves.

    The question is why? It’s the right tool for the right job thing.
    Makes my dick hard? Check.
    Fucks me good? Check.
    Good feminine company? Check.

    Remember I’m in the market for a plaything(s) not a wife! If she fulfills the above requirements I’m good to go, no need to over complicate the process.

    If however you are looking for a wife/mother to your children then yes external vetting would be a good idea but I believe the original question was “why don’t men find out more about women they want to have sex with?” .
    The skill set required for that position Is less onerous/different than for wife/mother so less vetting is required.

  43. @Shaka,

    It seems like maximum restrictions are placed on male sexuality in order to commodify female sexuality and get as much excess productivity out of males as possible. There’s no yin and yang to it.

    The weightier part of that yin is also the fact that this deliberate commodification is also to extend women’s Hypergamous optimization window. It’s a sociological freezing of a woman’s eggs. She believes her fertility window can unnaturally be extended and thus her quest to consolidate on optimizing her Hypergamy can also be unnaturally extended. It’s the ‘have it all’ feminist meme in perpetuity – they truly believe that if men can be convinced to cooperate in the lie, that their sexual agency will never expire, at least in theory.

    So yes, it’s about excess productivity for men, but more so it’s about fostering the lie that women’s ‘beauty’ is really all about how women define it for men. Thus, women are freed from the soul-gnawing doubt that Hypergamy instills in them.

  44. @ theadsgamer

    Also an afterthought. Say said woman passes your vigorous vetting process?

    Are you not now in danger if thinking that she is “special/not like the rest/a unicorn”?

    Sounds like a shortcut to oneitis/pedestalisation to me!

    That’s why I prefer my “boner test/good sex/good company” method, Aka ” vetting light” because if she does turn out to have other qualities well that’s not always a bonus anyway as she may start to consider herself overqualified for the position of “plaything” and start angling for the position of wife and there is no such position available.

  45. @Cheryl, regarding your question and 11pm example… assuming he didn’t drag her by force out of the club, just what kind of info did *she* get before running off for some nookie with a near-stranger?

    And your question as posed above: “Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?” The question is a variation of ‘do you still beat your dog?’ It assumes that whatever info the man has gathered is ‘little’ by your estimation and his decision of it being enough for his purposes is disqualified. There’s this unsaid belief that the man must provide reasons to your satisfaction otherwise he gets tarred with some connotations about his character.

    Thank you Cheryl, for your providing another example for men to observe how a woman sees the world through her own MPO. We are striving to match you.

  46. Zipper why are you making this larger than it is? I guess I should have elaborated. Sorry. The more I read it now it doesn’t even seem like a question . It’s more or less why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho ,.a chicken and a hello kitty waffle maker. She should get some info as well that’s not what I was saying. I never said anything about a man being disqualified what so ever.. or matching expectations. I don’t understand the dog reference at all.

  47. A top writer in Feminism on Medium.com!!
    Congrats
    I got yer pussy hat right here

  48. Cheryl
    The more I read it now it doesn’t even seem like a question . It’s more or less why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho ,.a chicken and a hello kitty waffle maker.

    Oh, well, that’s just effects of the Blue Pill. Since putting on The Glasses of clarity / taking the Red Pill it is no longer a surprise to me when a woman wearing a wedding ring drops obvious Indicators of Interest (lots of eye contact, hair twirling, close proximity, etc.) on me in a social situation. Her hindbrain is pinging the environment.

    So the hypothetical man who picks up a girl in a night spot that finds out later she has a husband and two boyfriends in Idaho – he should not be surprised. The chicken and hello kitty wafflemaker just means she’s a millennial.

    Men don’t enquire because they don’t want to, or don’t need to, or don’t know enough to do so.

  49. “She is 16. She is a physically mature female and sexual reproduction is possible and highly likely with her… but she is 16.”

    only true apex alpha predators enter this territory these days. like podesta with that girl who looks like the missing mccann. or warlords from destroyed regions of the world. the rest of us eat shit and pretend to like it. feminism is clearly an idea of alpha men to destroy the rest of us. they have young harems while we all support their unwanted/leftovers who they train to vote against our best interests.

    who in their right mind would want an indoctrinated, banged out 22 year old grad student when he could have a fresh, empty headed eager to please 15 year old virgin? nobody.

    saw a 14ish year old, ass cheeks hanging out of her way too small spandex shorts, walking with her mom into the store. mom knows exactly what’s going on. it’s just a shit test. 20 years ago it was, “I dare you to come over and fuck my daughter while her father and I are in the next room.” now it’s, “I divorced her father two years ago and now I dare you to approach her out in broad daylight right in front of me.” guys with rock band frontman fame/charisma could actually fuck the young one while the mom watches. this is of course no secret because fucking daughter/mom combos was a nightly occurance for the guys in the big hair band days and still is backstage at hip hop/dj/rave events. women will do anything for status guys. anything.

    the people running things want full burka fashion to become mainstream so they can hide their young toys in plain sight. that’s why we see women in hijab marching alongside fat megs at the women’s rights rally even though muslim women live the opposite of what the sjws claim to want. make hijab acceptable, then burka in order to let the top men preach about protecting women while simultaneously taking several 12 year olds as brides. “justice” ginsburg advocated for 12 being the age of consent in the 70s.

    the tatted up, pierced, loud-mouthed, opinionated cunts that pass for young women these days don’t signal fertility. they signal a death spiral.

    and the computer phone is becoming the ultimate shit test. my wife knows I will not allow that progressive mind control ‘tech” in my house. ever. she is the last holdout I know. the average 13-18 year old spends NINE fucking hours a day on that piece of cortisol spiking mind numbing shit, so they managed to fuck up the young ones before they even get to college. the average woman would rather check fartbook than have sex. men are not being attacked. they are the ones buying the phones for their wives and daughters and paying the monthly nut. obvious self destruction. maybe that’s a good thing. like lifting, but on a mass scale. break it down so we can rebuild stronger. using that fucking phone is like doing 90% max deadlifts, all day, every day. no one on earth can handle that shit. why would anyone train like that? to kill themselves. why does someone kill himself? because he’s weak and has no vision for the future. why are we weak? because of a very stable climate and fertilizer. why do we have no vision for the future? because we’re out of ideas and the brightest minds in the world have us believing that self driving cars are some great advance. silicon is maxed out. we can’t leave this rock without dying from the radiation in space. we’re stuck here with all these mouth breathing “farting skittles with stupid haircuts”. we’ve been hoping for the end for 2,000+ years but nobody has the guts to pull the trigger.

    I’m going sarging tonight because the future is and always was a fresh young woman and taking the red pill makes sublimating my true desires impossible.

  50. As for the once-fat then-skinny then-roundish chica on Medium who only got sexy when she said “guess I’ll go eat worms” then got pissed off about the male gaze being so fucked up and evil and toxic etc. but I still like boyz except when I don’t

    I used to date a womon like that back in my word salad days. I recognize the push-me pull-yu Sprechstimme. Holy fuckballs, I would have had a better time of it if I whupped myself upside the head with a tire iron. Thinking back on it, maybe I did, agonizing about why I was such a bad bad boyfriend…

    Which brings us to the Smiths. Morrissey – the ne plus ultra of bad boyfriends – is a particularly irritating persona, especially now that he looks like he should have some kind of peerage and be Duke of Swindon or something. But one reason his old Smiths lyrics still make girls swoon and boys snort Clorox is his verbal acuity at verbalizing this very adolescent male angst and self- doubt. Music for the college sophomore to slit your wrists by.

    Such as this masterpiece, “Pretty Girls Make Graves” – excerpt:

    Upon the sand, upon the bay
    “There is a quick and easy way” you say
    Before you illustrate
    I’d rather state :
    “I’m not the man you think I am

    And sorrow’s native son
    He will not rise for anyone

    And pretty girls make graves

    She wants it now
    And she will not wait
    But she’s too rough
    And I’m too delicate

    Then, on the sand
    Another man, he takes her hand
    A smile lights up her stupid face
    (and well, it would)

    I lost my faith in womanhood

    TL,DR: I want her, but I’m too chicken to fuck I say no, she goes off with someone else, now I’m mad

  51. He he… The Smiths. That was prime end of high school/college for me… when it was ‘new”… But you can go on all day with Morrisey’s angst

    Hand in Glove… There is a Light That Never Goes Out… Reel Around the Fountain… Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now… Ask… This Night Has Opened My Eyes… These Things Take Time… Girl Afraid [worth posting the lyrics]

    Girl afraid
    where does his intentions lay?
    Or does he even have any?

    She says:
    “He never really looks at me
    I give him every opportunity
    in the room downstairs
    he sat and stared
    in the room downstairs
    he sat and stared
    I’ll never make that mistake again!”

    Boy afraid
    prudence never pays
    and everything she wants costs money

    “But she doesn’t even LIKE me!
    and I know because she said so
    in the room downstairs
    she sat and stared
    in the room downstairs
    she sat and stared
    I’ll never make that mistake again!”

    Nearly every single song…. “and the hills are alive with celibate cries”… But yeah every girl loved them… and they still do. Smiths are being rediscovered by our kids… File under What is Old is New.

  52. ” . . . 12 year olds as brides.”

    The traditional Christian values age of marriage, although the rule wasn’t hard and could be broken for a propitious match.

    And of course the betrothal happened earlier.

  53. Anonymous that’s exactly it. I make no excuses for women, I’ve opened my eyes alot more since I’ve read Rollo’s blog. I know what you are saying about pinging the hindbrain . I think both male and females Really don’t care to know anymore.

  54. @Cheryl, ok, thanks for the clarification. The answer to your ‘…why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho…’ is in the original question: He’s only after some sex.

    And to tie in to your “ONS after 22 minutes” question, that’s a whole different context than sex in a LTR or even someone you might have just known socially for a while. I assumed we were mostly discussing a ONS or a just-met situation. If just for some sex, men don’t care or express shock about boyfriends or husbands or anything else she may have lied about. Hell, he probably had a few lies of his own in the mix. Now if the couple were talking LTR, then yes, in that context more info is a good idea. But people do that anyway, it’s not a M/F thing.

    And it’s not the man that got disqualified, it’s his decision that gets disqualified because in your estimation, it’s not enough, too little, whatever… it doesn’t meet your approval. That’s the inherent assumption in your original question that makes it the logical fallacy “a loaded question.”

    To turn it around, if all a man wants to do is fuck a woman, what kind or what is enough info a man should have to have it make sense to you?

  55. P.S.

    ” . . . only true apex alpha predators enter this territory these days.”

    I deny I am either, let alone both.

  56. “she may start to consider herself overqualified for the position of “plaything” and start angling for the position of wife and there is no such position available.”

    interesting. we are both here. both taking the red pill. both banging. we both clearly view women as property.

    yet you say there is no “wife” position available, and I say there are many “wife” positions available.

    plates vs. harem. same core idea, but true harem is much harder to achieve and often required force/imprisonment because of womans nature.

    starting to see my goals are unrealistic. but isn’t that what makes them goals? think of the hardest thing to reach and then go a bit further. a lot of muslim guys pull it off. yeah their girls are nasty but they seem to control them pretty well. or maybe they’re all getting banged out on the side. I don’t know.

    and maybe girls are a waste of time and I should just accept that I have to share pussy and if that’s the case it’s probably much smarter to just pay for the hottest youngest thing I can find. I wish I could be that guy. like that d.a. from ny. but that’s not desire sex. hard habit to kick. but why do I care about curling toes? that’s just playing to the FI. it’s like satisfaction for a job well done. I could get away with slacking but I don’t want to . just like most guys want to do the best they can at everything. why? because that trait made us attractive to women who want to use us for our labor? is that why they make fun of the 1 minute man? because the player who lasts one minute is the thing they desire and fear? then why do they love to share the player with the fat cock and great stamina? because they want it all? no matter what we do, they win.

    maybe the only way for a guy to win is to lock them all up in a tower guarded by giant eunuchs and fuck a few every day. that’s what the most powerful warlords in history did. for men to win, force is required. seeing how unrestrained hypergamy plays out, I can’t say I disagree with their methods.

    better to be a ruthless gangster in a third world shithole than a cubicle beta in a first world matrix.

  57. Just so everyone’s on the same page here, to the best of my knowledge Cheryl’s question isn’t a troll or bait. She’s got a genuine interest unlike LivingTree or InsanityBytes or AlphaFemale.

    I’m not saying turn down the heat, but I don’t think she’s being flippant.

  58. ” . . . Cheryl’s question isn’t a troll or bait.”

    And I never took it explicitly as such.

  59. Zipper, I’m sure they both have lies or excuses . I honestly didn’t mean this in an LTR at all. I would hope both would be better acquainted . Hey there isn’t a thing wrong with wanting to just Fuck someone. We might all be alot happier if we did. What info? Well I guess not if she can cook or not lol I guess. Married/bf.. name.. do you own a pinball…and have a condom…she might lie about all except the pitbull.

  60. // Regarding the Smiths and Morrissey – just brought to mind this one, lyrically quite different vibe (or maybe not actually… , as it’s not sure whether it eventually happened or he’s just fantasizing) than the stuff quoted above:

  61. Rollo ..thank you. I am surely not here to troll..and I honestly don’t know what bait is. (Shrugs). I have learned alot from your post and blog (which I need to pay more attention to)
    I am not trying to crash in ruin a men’s area. And in no way mean criticism. A healthy debate can’t hurt anyone. But I appreciate you guys letting me ask.

  62. @play

    If however you are looking for a wife/mother to your children then yes external vetting would be a good idea but I believe the original question was “why don’t men find out more about women they want to have sex with?” .

    Oh, I get it, wives don’t have sex with their husbands. lol

    I get that I could do third party/social media due diligence, because the snowflakes are not going to melt themselves.
    The question is why? It’s the right tool for the right job thing.
    Makes my dick hard? Check.
    Fucks me good? Check.
    Good feminine company? Check.
    Remember I’m in the market for a plaything(s) not a wife! If she fulfills the above requirements I’m good to go, no need to over complicate the process.

    Will she stalk me if I dump her? Check.
    Will she give me STDs? Check.
    Can those STDs give me a cancer that antibiotics and medicine can’t cure? Check.
    Does she have a crazy bf or husband who might kill me? Check.
    Is she bipolar or BPD? Check.
    Is she a thief who will take my stuff if I take her home? Check.
    Is she an ax-murderer like the crazy in Misty? Check.
    Will she try to trick me into marriage? Check.
    Will she do a faux pregnancy trip on me? Check.
    Will she deliberately get pregnant and sue me for child support? Check.
    Will she dump drugs in my car and call the cops about me having drugs? Check.
    Will she show up at my job and make a scene and get me fired? Check.

    You’re right, your tool is a total protection against Bad Shit Happening ™. lol

    I’m not trying to be a dick, but there are good reasons to take precautions.

    1) Don’t give your real name. Use a fake ID.

    2) Have a pussy pad which is not where you keep your valuables.

    3) Don’t let her see your car. License plates can be traced.

    4) Don’t give her your facebook page.

    5) Use a disposable cellphone.

    6) Don’t carry your real business cards.

    7) You’ll fuck up somehow eventually, so you have to drop her after 2-3 months.

    8) If you can’t let go, you have to do in-depth vetting for marriage.

    There are probably other things and YaReally or someone else who takes precautions should discuss them.

  63. Cheryl, I have a pinball machine. You bring the condoms. And beer. And if you’re not hot, bring a friend who is.

    That’s all you need to know.

  64. Some more spot on Smith’s lyrics… LOL

    the last night of the fair
    from a seat on a whirling waltzer
    her skirt ascends for a watching eye
    it’s a hideous trait (on her mother’s side)
    and though I walk home alone
    my faith in love is still devout
    then someone falls in love
    and someone’s beaten up
    someone’s beaten up
    and the senses being dulled are mine
    and though I walk home alone
    my faith in love is still devout
    this is the last night of the fair
    and the grease in the hair
    of a speedway operator
    is all a tremulous heart requires

  65. @Play

    Say said woman passes your vigorous vetting process?
    Are you not now in danger if thinking that she is “special/not like the rest/a unicorn”?
    Sounds like a shortcut to oneitis/pedestalisation to me!

    Good question. All girls have the same emotional wiring. Not all girls have the same training or are capable of sublimation/mateguarding themselves. When it comes to training NAWALT is true. When it comes to sex/emotional wiring, AWALT is true. Hypergamy is AWALT, for example. When it comes to loyalty, you get variation, because training varies.

    As a married man, the guard against Oneitis is options. Be around lots of women and flirt with them. Love the one you’re with. Pedestalization isn’t really a problem.

    For an example of options, I recently went to the funeral of a beloved in-law. One of my unmarried younger cousins (related through our grandparents, who were siblings) was deliberately flirting with me…others were showing very muted IOIs…funerals rev up the female emotional centers and this is SOP at funerals even for girls who are attempting to sublimate their desires…relatives want to maintain connections, so there’s that going on, too.

    I said something funny, obnoxious, and inappropriate at the after-funeral dinner and the girls all roared. Flirting is part of life, even or especially at funerals, and is resistance to the oppressiveness of death. I filled a role for the girls…I have no illusions that there was anything more to it. Still, I was demonstrating value in front of women and Mrs. Gamer saw that. It’s nothing that Blax and Rollo and others don’t do.

    I know Mrs. Gamer’s tricks and weaknesses as well as her strengths…I REALLY don’t pedestalize her. I am not In Love ™ with Mrs. Gamer, so my body’s chemicals aren’t undercutting me and causing me to pedestalize her.

  66. Zipper Lol smart-ass it was a typo. Meant to be pitbull (girls don’t lie about their dogs usually)
    What kind of beer. What size condom? But wait isn’t that your job. ? And I do have a few hot friends

  67. “But wait isn’t that your job. ?”

    I coulda sweared he just told you what your job is, but that might only be because I was listening.

  68. Smiths, Smiths, Smiths, man, cut down not across.
    Someone posted this a while back, I think it was Bromeo, it’s on topic in more ways than one.
    Cheryl might like it.

  69. @Cheryl – my point was, if a chick is wearing leggings or exercise pants that give the outline of her cameltoe, that’s revealing in more ways than one. I was in a public place today where a good-looking suburban soccer mom had her two future corporate drones in tow. Suburban soccer mommy was married as indicated by ring on finger, and she was wearing the kind of exercise pants I’m talking about – the kind of pants that leave nothing to imagination. The public place was not a gym. So, does this mean she’s down to fuck? Maybe, but I’m guessing probably not. But there’s no doubt she’s an attention whore, and I didn’t have to exchange a word with her to know that.

  70. Cheryl, the beer you bring is part of the test. As far as the condom size… it’s not for me, it’s whatever size you need to cover your mouth.

    And yes, bring your hot friends. We can all play “fun ways to tilt a pinball machine.”

  71. @ theadsgamer

    No I’m not saying my “vetting lite” is protection against the possibility of some of those things happening but most of the things on your list would be difficult to vet for anyways.

    Just be robust red pill man and most of the things on your list won’t be much of a concern anymore.

    Will she stalk me if I dump her?

    Why should I give a fuck if she wants to waste her time? and new chicks get to think she must be devestated at being dumped by me!

    Will she try to tap me into marriage/ pregnancy?

    I’m on high level TRT so virtually zero chance of me impregnating anyone so how she going to trap me in marriage?

    Psycho ex going to kill me?

    I lift 4 times a week, practice kick boxing on the bag at the gym, I’m 230 @ 6ft1 so this is less of a concern for me than most but yes it’s still possible, but what am I supposed to do? Worry about shit like this? If I want the girl I’m not going to worry about this, stop being so fucking timid!

    Give me an STD?

    Be the kind of man a girl would think twice of doing this to/condoms. Sure with the likes of chlamydia she may not know she has it but it’s not like gonorrhoea/HIV etc.

    Is she bipolar/bpd?

    NEXT her and ghost.

    Steals from my home?

    Again be the kind of man she wouldn’t dare do this to, what type of vibe do you give off that you worry about this?

    Show up at my work, make a scene and get me sacked?

    Again your life is not robust enough, I work for myself and have a red pill side income. She can’t do anything to affect my work life.
    I refuse to be dictated to by some FI HR department. You can’t live a red pill life if you have to deal with that shit on a daily basis.

    Put drugs in my car and call the cops?

    Are you scared of every possible scenario? I couldn’t live like that.

    I’m not being a dick

    Just be a robust motherfucker that is difficult to fuck with. Be the type of man she doesn’t want to fuck with. Change your work life so you don’t have to bow down to FI bullshit on a daily basis.

    If you have internalised red pill, improved yourself your frame and your circumstances in line with red pill philosophy most of these problems will not occur, and in the unlikely event that they do you will be in a good position to deal with them with minimum damage to your life.

    Maybe you need to vet so extensively because your frame is less than optimal and women will pull this shit on you because you project vulnerability?

    My n count is 140ish and I’ve rarely experienced any of these problems you seem so worried about.

    Why do women try to do these things to you?
    Why is your life not robust enough to deflect this type of problem if it occurs?

    It’s difficult to live a red pill life if you are a cubicle monkey in some corporate hell hole! What is your job?

  72. Zipper.. oh touche’. It’s OK size doesn’t matter. As far as beer I wasn’t sure you drank a lite or reg?
    Kfg the only person to tell me what to do is my employer…now ask me and I’ll gladly do anything

  73. Coyote , I can’t dispute or agree with your take on this woman. Personally I don’t know why women think they’re attractive even at a size 4. Comfort eh maybe.. unless worn with a longer sweater.. but to each his own.

  74. “What we call ‘pump & dump’ now was a very pragmatic, often life-preserving reproductive strategy for men to follow in our prehistory. “

    Pump and dump has revived as a useful protective technique to maintain freewill. The FI drives young men to avoid commitment in favor of a ultra-short term mating strategy as STR/LTR incentives have declined essentially to zero. The ubiquitous Duke University “Why Duke college kids aren’t dating” articles are good examples. Excuses lie with busy schedules, too career focused and such. There’s not enough incentive to STR, LTR, create any provisioning aspect, and forgettabout creating a stable family, offspring. ROI imbalance and men are getting a clue.

    “In psychology, sublimation is a mature type of defense mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses…”

    FI dominated culture has expanded the role of sublimation. As women increasingly control the sexual marketplace, demanding fealty to feminine supremacy, men will avoid social shame by fetishizing otherwise blase hobbies, often hobbies that benefit women. These diversions create a caricature of masculinity too: “the art of man” mindset comes to mind…reinforcing men’s exiting the sexual marketplace, leaving the Alpha to run the field, much easier for women to control sex and provisioning, a la carte their lives.

    I asked myself why was my life good in the bedroom but outside, cacked? For many guys I know it’s reversed. Wealthy but thirsty. I ask thirsty colleagues obtusely, essentially “What is the root cause?” Is off-road motorcycling replacing dead bedroom losses? (True story) Has he convinced himself it’s better than a vibrant sexual life? Plenty do. Too much grease, as Sentient has mentioned.

    SJF is the only physician I’ve read, known who candidly has his house in order, in and outside the bedroom. Most, fuck, perhaps all, live BP/FI. Workhorses, put away wet.

    “Yet the bewilderment persists, why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? “

    Since women increasingly control sexual dynamic, if a women shows an approval to bang, it’s FI approved…right? No need to sublimate, auto-check my libido…right? Oh, until she changes her mind, sobers up, mattress-girl revenge power trips.

    Great article.

    On wealth and sex, satisfaction. Disclaimer: I don’t, wouldn’t presume how much is appropriate for any one man to earn; envy isn’t my bag either. O.K. Working closely in a population whose income varies from 25k to 2 million yearly, I’ve decided that those who earn about 125K yearly enter into a marginally-less-satisfaction zone from each additional dollar.

    Yeah, no Porsche for me, though it’d be nice to drive one, it wouldn’t get me more sex..I’ve never tried that though. Buffering, maybe.

    My definition of rich: The point where the dollar has loses its ability to maintain personal satisfaction. It’s different for everyone. Everyone who’s self aware, understands of the nature of money, knows it’s limits in life and love.

  75. Cheryl, if you’re looking for pornographic digital displays of affection, I get it. RP men understand a woman’s unceasing hypergamous desire to be banged, chased, thought of by innumerable suitors. That’s why women come here. So take your sweet, sweet ample ass over to zips pad and get some.

  76. “Kfg the only person to tell me what to do is my employer…now ask me and I’ll gladly do anything”

    That’s two.

  77. Ehintellect, you must have me confused with a woman you know.
    I do thank you though for looking out for my sexual needs.

  78. @Play

    It’s difficult to live a red pill life if you are a cubicle monkey in some corporate hell hole! What is your job?

    Is this some sort of dick measuring contest?

    Give me an STD?
    Be the kind of man a girl would think twice of doing this to/condoms. Sure with the likes of chlamydia she may not know she has it but it’s not like gonorrhoea/HIV etc.

    I guess you know better than MDs. I posted about STDs recently and gonorrhea doesn’t always show symptoms. Some varieties don’t respond to common antibiotics, either. Could be a girl got syphilis, but went into remission, then reemerged and she gave you the clap.

    I know a man who died from cancer which likely was the result of an STD. Lessee, there’s Charlie Sheen, who has AIDS, and Michael Douglas, who got HPV throat cancer. Just be an alpha girls won’t fuck with…those guys are alpha.

    Oh, the illusionary “immortality” of the young.

  79. Agree, ASD, although note that Sheen fucked tranny hookers, and from what I have read, tranny hookers have quite high HIV rates.

  80. @Play

    Just be robust red pill man and most of the things on your list won’t be much of a concern anymore.
    Will she stalk me if I dump her?

    Married men generally require that their partners be discreet, including married men who are RP. Oh, wait, married men can’t be robust red pill men.

    Sorry Rollo, you aren’t Red Pill. lol

  81. So, does this mean she’s down to fuck? Maybe, but I’m guessing probably not. But there’s no doubt she’s an attention whore, and I didn’t have to exchange a word with her to know that.

    Oh, it’s attention whori—-, erm, I mean, “feeling confident about herself”. 🙂

    Anyway, I don’t mind, just enjoy the view. Soon enough they’ll be coming to work in lingerie.

  82. @Nova

    Agree, ASD, although note that Sheen fucked tranny hookers, and from what I have read, tranny hookers have quite high HIV rates.

    Hookers have high HIV rates? Shock!

  83. @ gamer

    So me asking you if you have a corporate job subject to a FI controlled HR department is a dick measuring contest?

    I’m guessing this means that that is indeed your employment situation, that sucks why not change it?

    If you’re married why are you fucking about and looking for discrete partners? You’re inviting drama into your life.
    You want to fuck other people get a divorce it’s that simple.

    I’m a big advocate for personal freedom, you should do exactly what you want to do, but have the balls to do it without being deceitful and cheating. You want to fuck around great go do it but accept that Mrs gamer may want a divorce.

    Rollo is indeed a successfully married RP man, I’ve never read any idication that he fucks around on his wife, he acknowledges his 20year marriage could go south at anytime, Hypergamy doesn’t care but I bet his dread game is on point and he could replace her in a heartbeat if he had to, but he seems happy to roll with it while it’s good. I don’t see him sneaking around telling lies and cheating to get some side action, I bet he would detonate the marriage if that’s what he wanted to do, I could of course be wrong only Rollo himself knows the answer to that for sure.

    About STD’s how you going to vet for that? she can be a seemingly “good girl” with a lowish n count but if her last partner was an alpha player fucking every hot club ho in town who’s doing the same thing then how’s your vetting her going to protect you?

    I bet women using my method because it works for me and like I said I’m only looking for playthings so it works.

    The only thing that slightly worries me would be a false rape accusation, but that’s why I keep texts and messages to offer some degree of protection.

    I’m not going to limit my sexual options by worrying about all the things on your list. But each to their own.

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