Sublimation

One question I was asked in my recent interview with Christian McQueen came from a read Cheryl:

Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?

Seems simple enough, right? I mean, hell, I got into all kinds of trouble for suggesting ways men might use in the vetting process of determining a woman’s suitability for a long term investment (however you want to define that). I can certainly understand the criticism. I seem to run into two extremes in this respect. On the one hand I get run up the flagpole for even suggesting men might qualify a woman for anything more than a pump & dump. The danger is too great and the more hardline MGTOW a guy might be, the more misleading he thinks my suggesting guys vet a woman is.

On the other extreme, there are the guys who tend to preemptively White Knight for themselves. In this perspective his standards (according his Red Pill awareness) require the utmost scrutiny for any woman to be considered worthy of his attention. In fact, just that he would consider a woman suitable ought to be flattering for her.

Now, those are two ends of the bell curve, but it’s the guys in the middle who, as Cheryl says, seem to give very little thought about a girl he wants to bang. This is a fairly innocuous question, but it has many answers.

First and foremost, it is biological. There are aspects about women that trigger a sexual response for men. We evaluate sexual potential and sexual availability of a woman all in a matter of seconds. He’s found out all he needs to know about a woman he wants to have sex with by whether or not he gets an erection with her. I think it was Roosh who dubbed this the boner test. In polite society this is the vulgar answer, but a man’s unconscious sexual response is the result of millennia of pragmatic and efficient evolution.

All sexual response in humans has evolved to be so autonomous you don’t notice it functioning in your mental processing. That’s one reason appealing to sexuality in commercial advertising is so reliable and ubiquitous – the response is always running as a background subroutine in our hindbrains. In our evolutionary past it served men best to hone their sexual evaluation and response to a woman within moments because anything less, any over-investment in that assessment, had the potential of his being killed by a rival for whom he might be competing with intrasexually.

Assessing sexual availability and suitability evolved to be an instantaneous and subconscious process for men because men also had the lowest investment requirement in reproduction. I often delve into explaining the mechanics of raw female Hypergamy on this blog, but it’s important to consider how women’s fundamental sexual strategy forces men’s own strategies to adapt. What we call ‘pump & dump’ now was a very pragmatic, often life-preserving reproductive strategy for men to follow in our prehistory. Since Estrus is largely concealed in human females it made sense for men to adopt a sexual strategy, and consequentially evolve a physical sexual response, based on immediacy.

Men’s sexuality is ‘always on’. Men are aroused sexually far quicker and with much less prerequisite cues and stimuli than are women. You have to work a woman up to sexual arousal. In some instances that may be an easy task (if the guy is an idealized Alpha for instance), but by comparison healthy men’s sexual response is far more responsive than that of women. You might think, “well duh, Rollo, everyone knows women need foreplay and an emotional kick (good or bad)”, but this is one of those “well duh” moments we need to review in order to understand why men don’t apply themselves more to sexual qualification of women.

Now carry this dynamic into the present. This immediate sexual evaluation and response  was a great evolutionary adaptation benefit for prehistoric men – assess it, hit it and run – but in today’s world, it’s largely a disadvantage because social and environmental conditions have changed. Our mental subroutines are the same our ancestors had, but the environment they evolved in is largely gone and forgotten. However, the vestiges of this evolution are something we need to contend with today. I think it’s ironic how ready we are to accept that our bodies process and prioritizes calories of certain foodstuffs as a result of how food scarcity in our evolutionary past made for a more efficient physical machine. Today, food is plentiful, but our physiology still processes food as if food was scarce. As a result we see epidemic obesity rates.

Mind Over Matter

That’s easy to understand, but what our social and physical conditions demand from us now is us exercising self-control over the consequences of those evolved vestiges. Largely we think a fat guy is weak for not having restraint with food and prioritizing exercise (and exercise he needed for survival in the past), but what we don’t like to accept is that our physical nature is what sets our operative conditions today.

We expect much of the same modern day self-control over our evolved sexual response too. The more noble, higher-order thinking aspects we value today are really mechanisms intended to sublimate evolved aspects of ourselves that used to be the most pragmatic and efficient means of solving the problem of reproduction and survival. Mind (or spirit) over matter doesn’t preclude the influences of these evolved motivators – nor does it (or should it) absolve men of consequences of his behavior.

In psychology, sublimation is a mature type of defense mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses or idealizations are unconsciously transformed into socially acceptable actions or behavior, possibly resulting in a long-term conversion of the initial impulse.

Sigmund Freud believed that sublimation was a sign of maturity (indeed, of civilization), allowing people to function normally in culturally acceptable ways. He defined sublimation as the process of deflecting sexual instincts into acts of higher social valuation, being “an especially conspicuous feature of cultural development; it is what makes it possible for higher psychical activities, scientific, artistic or ideological, to play such an important part in civilized life”. Similar views state that sublimation is when displacement “serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions”.

In short, sublimation is a result of restraining those evolved aspects of ourselves and channeling that motivation and impetus to other endeavors. I think one of the key understandings that Red Pill men need to grasp is how these underlying motivators operate in themselves as well as how they affect women. Game is greatly enhanced by a real good understanding of how a woman does or does not sublimate certain aspects of herself. In fact, I would argue that since the time of the Sexual Revolution, and the social unfettering of Hypergamy, women have systematically changed how they sublimate their evolved impulses. The rise of our feminine-primary social order has been molded by how women have been absolved of the consequences of realigning this sublimation, or unapologetically dropping it altogether.

Simultaneously, this social order has increased the liability for men who cannot or will not adopt the forms of sublimating their own impulses according to feminine-primacy. As you might guess, this coincides with the Male Catch 22, men’s Burden of Performance and men being held to old order social contracts while also being expected to respect new order social mandates. Men are held accountable for any marginal lack of self-control (sublimation of evolved imperatives), while women are socially absolved of, and sometimes rewarded for a lack of control over their Hypergamous impulses.

Roissy once stated that the goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. How we reward and punish either sex’s capacity to sublimate their feral natures is how this is effected.

Devil in the Details

Yet the bewilderment persists, why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves. What the question presumes is men’s sublimation should align with the sexual strategies of women and to their ‘correct’ benefit. It also presumes women’s sexual strategies are in no way intended to confuse or capitalize on a man’s value to her. I don’t mention this to be mean or imply judgement, rather that arousal and attraction don’t happen in a vacuum. I’ve made this analogy before, but,…

T-rex doesn’t want to be fed; he wants to hunt. You can’t just suppress sixty-five million years of gut instinct.
– Dr. Grant, Jurassic Park

Sexuality, families, and men did not come about because of society. To the contrary, sexuality, families, and men are what made society possible in the first place. – Pook

Men’s brains evolved to sexually objectify women. In order for this assessment to take place the mental construct of perceiving women as objects was a necessary evolutionary step. The simple truth is that it’s part of men’s neurological firmware to see women’s bodies as objects. It’s a well studied fact that when men see an arousing woman’s semi-nude body it triggers the same area of our brains associated with tool use. Sexual objectification is a survival feature for men, not a bug. Furthermore, studies show that men’s brains will prioritize sex even above food acquisition.

None of these facts absolve men of personal responsibility for their actions – however, men making less than wise decisions with regards to sex are following their evolutionary directive. Today’s women feign some ignorance of this, but what they don’t appreciate is that their own directive, the dualistic nature of Hypergamy, is not the same as men’s. And yet again we become victims of the teachings of equalism that wants us to believe men and women are the same, and as such men ought to be able to sublimate themselves in the same manner as women.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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And just today after seeing a young girl way lacking in muscle tone walk by at the airport wearing denim shorts with both butt cheeks a good 2-3 inches showing, I again thought about how never before has booty been on display like it is now. Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants. So much so I’m considering carrying my camera as much as possible just to see how often it happens day to day. Men adapt to women’s sexual strategy, but women openly adapt to men’s sexual strategy and desire cues. But it’s… Read more »

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“Yet the bewilderment persists, why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves. What the question presumes is men’s sublimation should align with the sexual strategies of women and to their ‘correct’ benefit.” We do. A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society. There are legal frameworks in place that could potentially cuckold the man, and result… Read more »

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I will postulate that the reason men complain to women like Cheryl,is that they are sublimated in to the matrix and lack the understanding of her total solipsistic lack of empathy.
So that while hoping for some sympathy sex they wind up ridiculed as disgusting.

While at the same time Cheryls sublimation into the now wave of feminism causes her to ask rude questions on a men’s site.

This is using a more physical definition of sublime.

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@Nationalists

A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society.

Let’s fix this:

“A man who earns higher income has more options to be a beast of burden aka “slave”. He can provide for more offspring (not necessarily his own).”

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“there are the guys who tend to preemptively White Knight for themselves. In this perspective his standards (according his Red Pill awareness) require the utmost scrutiny for any woman to be considered worthy of his attention.” me. “why don’t men vet the women they want to bang more? What the question presumes is men ought to have a capacity to sublimate their sexual desire in order to make better decisions for themselves.” I cannot sublimate my sexual desire, but I can drain it to the brink of exhaustion. I’ve had sex 5 times in the last 48 hours. in order… Read more »

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Excellent essay Rollo. The original picture alone tells the whole story. Women fetishizing a satyr (otherwise know as fetishizing dick in the wild) requires man to discriminate. Or be dragged into the Feminine Imperative waters. The original picture is women not sublimating totally their fetish for Alpha men. And the satyr’s fears of not vetting the nymphs properly so they don’t attempt to push him into the waters for their own ravishment. http://scholarworks.montana.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1/827/AndersonE1211.pdf Meanwhile, a crack on the head is what you get for not vetting. Apologies for posting blue pill music videos. Apparently I was too distracted by medical… Read more »

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” We do. A man who earns higher income has more sexual options. He can provide for more offspring and ensure their sexual viability within the greater society.” This is true is some instances. Untrue in many others. This is speaking of providers. There is a division between providers and fuckers. Sometimes they are one in the same, sometimes not. There’s more than 1 version of the Red Pill in Life ( I need to start putting that on T-shirts ). Why would a man with ” higher income ” have more options? Think about it for a second or… Read more »

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” There are legal frameworks in place that could potentially cuckold the man, and result in him providing for other males’ children. I wouldn’t necessarily classify this as feminine-primacy; it could also be viewed as giving lower-status males more mating opportunities”…

Oh man. Just…ooohhh maaannn.

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I don’t think that having a sexuality that is only active in any useful way for a third of the time really qualifies as sublimation. Much like breathing and menstruating simultaneously don’t count as multi-tasking. A man seeing a woman, thinking, she’s hot, and here I go talking to her implementing game aaaannnnnnd Boom she’s available. Counts as vetting to me. It’s not like Men have a spectrograph to find out whether a woman is doing drugs or a tri-corder to find out if she’s got a disease. The REAL problem is most men don’t even have real social lives… Read more »

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” sexual viability “( …what does that even mean ) whether the father is a billionaire or a thousandaire or a no-pot-to-piss-in- aire. This stuff is not about the money Lebowski.

The more social status offspring has, the better chance of mating and being able to select mates that possess high quality traits, that also increases the viability of further downstream generations. Basically it is all about reducing the chances that your lineage hits a bottleneck that it can’t recover from (from an evolutionary standpoint).

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“So newbs reading along, don’t buy into the ” must have millions ” to get satisfaction ( or even pussy ) out of life. Great way to have somebody take half of your shit. Knowledge trumps cashflow in the final analysis.” I did the best job of vetting I knew at the time. Which was she was a good lay and had good qualities after fucking her. And also the Rollo Tomassi thought that you, you fucker have instincts, an you should lay with them. As in “It seemed to be the right thing to do”. That being said, I… Read more »

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Meeting and mating
Rollo this is very true with me at the moment. Letting go and moving on and accepting the T. rex with respect and giving it the space it needs. To hunt to feed to live and die.

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“The more social status offspring has, the better chance of mating and being able to select mates that possess high quality traits, that also increases the viability of further downstream generations. Basically it is all about reducing the chances that your lineage hits a bottleneck that it can’t recover from (from an evolutionary standpoint)”.

Wow like the socialy popular Bruce Jenner,Bottlneck oh wait.

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It’s not like Men have a spectrograph to find out whether a woman is doing drugs or a tri-corder to find out if she’s got a disease.

Bullshit. There are many diseases that don’t produce overt, sensory displays/symptoms that you can see before you approach…e.g. chlamydia, HPV, herpes, AIDS, gonorrhea

Both men and women get them. Even if you didn’t realize it, you’ve probably had an STD.
Knowledge is power when it comes to your sexual health. Recognizing the symptoms is a start, but you won’t always notice chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, and other STDs.

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/most-common-stds-men-women#1

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“The dualistic nature of Hypergamy, is not the same as men’s.” Projection once again. The female’s beta bucks radar is so finely tuned and adept at spotting a BBs that it is innately assumed men should also possess this trait. Or at least willingly place himself at the service of a woman ‘settling’. It’s in the language, for a man entertaining an alpha fucks woman, “She’s trouble, what’s he doing with her, she’s a man eater, he doesn’t know what he is getting into, you can’t handle me etc.” Or the flip side for a man not entertaining being a… Read more »

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SFJ

Glad you brought up Vadim ZeLand, Reality Transurfing has opened up my world view big time.

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Oh Johny It’s pretty ironic that the inspiration was Luke RSD (whom I’m convinced is actually Yareally IRL) for mentioning that book, and the book is everything that Rollo would despise. + or – woo woo shit. But for someone that has their shit together the positive mindset is something to behold. Say someone is positive and their barriers to progress are low with slight impediments to advancing their game, well life is their oyster. I’m thinking the mindset of guys like me, possibly you, Sentient, Rollo, Blaximus, Habd, KFG. What the hell is the low downside and high upside… Read more »

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Blaximus
Ummm… is this 1822? A dolt with 50 million is still a dolt.

Read Jane Austin. Even in 1802 a dolt with a fortune was still a dolt.

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Way behind the curve SFJ, completely fucked up childhood, old man was a communist counter intel officer that penetrated a terrorist fascist cell getting many arrested for over 20 years for plotting terrorist acts. He ended up getting extradicted leaving me and the old lady for dead and on the run while being chased by fascists hell bent on murder and revenge. That’s why I understand Scribblerg, sometimes it’s like pushing shit up a hill but it is what it is and like Vadim says you should be thankful for not getting what you wanted. In another life path variation… Read more »

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I’ll stick with the “boner test”. Women are only playthings anyway! Do I enjoy fucking her? After sex is she good feminine company? Is all I need to know, if shit goes sideways I’ll just get another one. She’s only going to lie and present a fictional version of herself based on what she thinks you’re looking for anyways. Women don’t do real self improvement they just convince themselves that they already are “better” because if she can’t convince herself it will be more difficult for her to sell it to you. She will rewrite her sexual history and “because… Read more »

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Good post, it goes a long way to explaining the biological attraction to “crazy”…to BPD’s, to Cluster B’s….

Men don’t look at the wider consequences when “the sex is great”….

This is where controlling your urges comes in and having an abundance mentality is critical to making better choices.

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Without seeing women as objects to be preserved, they wouldn’t be..preserved.

Not sure about this pre-occupation by modern women to be seen as fungible commodities instead of a precious resource to be closely managed.

Probably why the old ones are so bitter.

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Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar…

Due diligence. You get info about the woman from various sources. You can do background checks online. You can talk to her friends. She will give you lots of info about her family, friends, and acquaintances.

Really, it’s not that difficult.

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Cheryl asked, “Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?” My answer to Cheryl – we usually have quite a bit of info about the chick we want to have sex with. When we want to fuck you, we notice everything we’re able to notice – things like what you wear, whether your cameltoe is a tad visible through those expensive brand new exercise pants, and the tattoo on your leg (which makes me wonder whether there’s a tramp stamp above that luscious ass). We look you up on social media… Read more »

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@Water cannon
Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants.

Waiting in my truck at a local university campus to pick up my date I’m amazed at the number of young girls out and about in those yoga pants! Most are about 10lbs overweight and wear pants that have been washed a bit too much… but there’s others where the fit and the jiggle is just perfect.

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That picture… reminds me of the night 5 girls came to my dorm and kidnapped me and took me out to a club… DNB cause they looked like these girls too… LOL A little larger than my type… But a fun night nevertheless…

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@Sentient, your story reminded me of this scene:

https://youtu.be/yib5dcbzCTY?t=1m57s

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@Rollo

One question I was asked in my recent interview with Christian McQueen came from a read Cheryl:

What does this mean?

Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?

Where in the interview was this question?

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Rollo …men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it. Often because they’ve been told since they were toddlers that there is “more to it”, also known as the Blue Pill. They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. Exactly so and very important. The feminist fallacy of “interchangeable” leads to this. The mental habit some men have of projecting themselves onto others, believing “Well, I’m like this, so… Read more »

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Rollo, you have a BFA? Sheeayah, you were running Starving Artist Game back then and didn’t even know it?

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I’ve theorized for a while that civilization and nature are in constant conflict. It seems one has to be compromised or destroyed in order for the other to flourish. Everything in nature is not good ie “hurricanes, floods, earthquakes etc. Everyhing in human nature is not good ie “rape, jealousy, murder”. They are naturally reoccuring things though. Im postulating sublimation is an attempt to stay within acceptable societal standards in contrast to natural urges in order to reduce negative consequens enforced by the society you live in? For example “She is 16. She is a physically mature female and sexual… Read more »

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How about a RP shop online… This here would make a great wedding present for a young fella to keep on his mantle to remind him of Frame…

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“I’ve theorized for a while that civilization and nature are in constant conflict.” Civilization actually is a social construct, by definition. An invention. It took homo sapiens circa 200k years to come up with the basic idea and another several thousand to develop it. Like all inventions, it requires maintenance. “A 16 yo male isnt thinking she is 16, he just sees a hot chick. A 30 yr old male would be considerd a criminal/pedo . . .” This is a very recent construct, although in most places 16 is consenting age (which is itself raised from the traditional age… Read more »

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Sentient, Rollo, someone tell me the name of that work. Pretty obvious that Bacchus is doing his thing with grapes, it looks like one of the 18th or 19th century copy / homage of Greco-Roman work.

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Bacchus and Nymph with Child – Clodion – c.1790

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Canada held to the traditional Christian values age of consent, 14, until about 10 years ago. It did not suffer from the problems of Victorian era London East End that prompted the raising of the age of consent (problems that went away with the criminalization of prostitution in any case).

It did, however, suffer from political pressure from its neighbor.

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Dear water boy, It’s not the WHY you want to get with her..I know that answer. (Some of us do get it). It’s the question. Of just maybe a longer than 5 min convo about her Fav drink..and her hottest sexual position. Don’t be shocked when something happens. As far as the worrying about the younger competition..I’m good with my place I. Life lol in fact I wouldn’t want to deal with stuff 20 year old deal with now for anything.

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Stuff inbox, It amazes me how after reading my one single question you can compile all of that about me. I in no way criticize ..anything . It was a question. But it’s guys like you that can’t see past a question from a female to just answer it and not attack. I’m sorry you can’t

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Be it shorts or the number who wear running tights or yoga pants. Waiting in my truck at a local university campus to pick up my date I’m amazed at the number of young girls out and about in those yoga pants! Heh, we have it in the office, too. Not yoga pants, per se, but “leggings” which pretty much give exactly the same amount of visual information. I’m not complaining, though. Yesterday, the hot blonde who sits in the cube outside my office was wearing a pair of those with 4.5 inch heels — pretty much perfect combination of… Read more »

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Thanks, Sentient. Now where do I collect my Internet Art Detective points?

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Last coyote, my question wasn’t for the guy who does the FBI checklist..it’s the one who 11pm enters club 1122p out the door and in a room (which who cares ). Just don’t be surprised. It’s funny isn’t it how almost everyone m/f aren’t how they really are? But we all have a vision how we’d want it to be.I also don’t understand the attraction with the cameltoe visual..but I’m a girl I just compare it to a man with shorts too tight and his balls hanging out ..ah doesn’t do it for me.

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@Cheryl:

“It was a question.”

From a woman. If you want to understand Stuffin Box, be a man.

” ..ah doesn’t do it for me.”

Q.E.D.

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@ theadsgamer I get that I could do third party/social media due diligence, because the snowflakes are not going to melt themselves. The question is why? It’s the right tool for the right job thing. Makes my dick hard? Check. Fucks me good? Check. Good feminine company? Check. Remember I’m in the market for a plaything(s) not a wife! If she fulfills the above requirements I’m good to go, no need to over complicate the process. If however you are looking for a wife/mother to your children then yes external vetting would be a good idea but I believe the… Read more »

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Kfg .. only if you will be a woman.
“Be a man”

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@ theadsgamer

Also an afterthought. Say said woman passes your vigorous vetting process?

Are you not now in danger if thinking that she is “special/not like the rest/a unicorn”?

Sounds like a shortcut to oneitis/pedestalisation to me!

That’s why I prefer my “boner test/good sex/good company” method, Aka ” vetting light” because if she does turn out to have other qualities well that’s not always a bonus anyway as she may start to consider herself overqualified for the position of “plaything” and start angling for the position of wife and there is no such position available.

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@Cheryl: “.. only if you will be a woman.”

I have made no inquiry of you.

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@Cheryl, regarding your question and 11pm example… assuming he didn’t drag her by force out of the club, just what kind of info did *she* get before running off for some nookie with a near-stranger? And your question as posed above: “Why don’t men find out a little info about the girl he’s going to have sex with?” The question is a variation of ‘do you still beat your dog?’ It assumes that whatever info the man has gathered is ‘little’ by your estimation and his decision of it being enough for his purposes is disqualified. There’s this unsaid belief… Read more »

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Zipper why are you making this larger than it is? I guess I should have elaborated. Sorry. The more I read it now it doesn’t even seem like a question . It’s more or less why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho ,.a chicken and a hello kitty waffle maker. She should get some info as well that’s not what I was saying. I never said anything about a man being disqualified what so ever.. or matching expectations. I don’t understand the dog reference at all.

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A top writer in Feminism on Medium.com!!
Congrats
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Cheryl The more I read it now it doesn’t even seem like a question . It’s more or less why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho ,.a chicken and a hello kitty waffle maker. Oh, well, that’s just effects of the Blue Pill. Since putting on The Glasses of clarity / taking the Red Pill it is no longer a surprise to me when a woman wearing a wedding ring drops obvious Indicators of Interest (lots of eye contact, hair twirling, close proximity, etc.) on me in a social situation. Her hindbrain is… Read more »

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“She is 16. She is a physically mature female and sexual reproduction is possible and highly likely with her… but she is 16.” only true apex alpha predators enter this territory these days. like podesta with that girl who looks like the missing mccann. or warlords from destroyed regions of the world. the rest of us eat shit and pretend to like it. feminism is clearly an idea of alpha men to destroy the rest of us. they have young harems while we all support their unwanted/leftovers who they train to vote against our best interests. who in their right… Read more »

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As for the once-fat then-skinny then-roundish chica on Medium who only got sexy when she said “guess I’ll go eat worms” then got pissed off about the male gaze being so fucked up and evil and toxic etc. but I still like boyz except when I don’t I used to date a womon like that back in my word salad days. I recognize the push-me pull-yu Sprechstimme. Holy fuckballs, I would have had a better time of it if I whupped myself upside the head with a tire iron. Thinking back on it, maybe I did, agonizing about why I… Read more »

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He he… The Smiths. That was prime end of high school/college for me… when it was ‘new”… But you can go on all day with Morrisey’s angst Hand in Glove… There is a Light That Never Goes Out… Reel Around the Fountain… Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now… Ask… This Night Has Opened My Eyes… These Things Take Time… Girl Afraid [worth posting the lyrics] Girl afraid where does his intentions lay? Or does he even have any? She says: “He never really looks at me I give him every opportunity in the room downstairs he sat and stared in the… Read more »

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” . . . 12 year olds as brides.”

The traditional Christian values age of marriage, although the rule wasn’t hard and could be broken for a propitious match.

And of course the betrothal happened earlier.

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Anonymous that’s exactly it. I make no excuses for women, I’ve opened my eyes alot more since I’ve read Rollo’s blog. I know what you are saying about pinging the hindbrain . I think both male and females Really don’t care to know anymore.

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@Cheryl, ok, thanks for the clarification. The answer to your ‘…why shocked when you find out she has a husband, 2 bfs in idaho…’ is in the original question: He’s only after some sex. And to tie in to your “ONS after 22 minutes” question, that’s a whole different context than sex in a LTR or even someone you might have just known socially for a while. I assumed we were mostly discussing a ONS or a just-met situation. If just for some sex, men don’t care or express shock about boyfriends or husbands or anything else she may have… Read more »

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P.S.

” . . . only true apex alpha predators enter this territory these days.”

I deny I am either, let alone both.

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“she may start to consider herself overqualified for the position of “plaything” and start angling for the position of wife and there is no such position available.” interesting. we are both here. both taking the red pill. both banging. we both clearly view women as property. yet you say there is no “wife” position available, and I say there are many “wife” positions available. plates vs. harem. same core idea, but true harem is much harder to achieve and often required force/imprisonment because of womans nature. starting to see my goals are unrealistic. but isn’t that what makes them goals?… Read more »

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” . . . Cheryl’s question isn’t a troll or bait.”

And I never took it explicitly as such.

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Zipper, I’m sure they both have lies or excuses . I honestly didn’t mean this in an LTR at all. I would hope both would be better acquainted . Hey there isn’t a thing wrong with wanting to just Fuck someone. We might all be alot happier if we did. What info? Well I guess not if she can cook or not lol I guess. Married/bf.. name.. do you own a pinball…and have a condom…she might lie about all except the pitbull.

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// Regarding the Smiths and Morrissey – just brought to mind this one, lyrically quite different vibe (or maybe not actually… , as it’s not sure whether it eventually happened or he’s just fantasizing) than the stuff quoted above:

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Rollo ..thank you. I am surely not here to troll..and I honestly don’t know what bait is. (Shrugs). I have learned alot from your post and blog (which I need to pay more attention to)
I am not trying to crash in ruin a men’s area. And in no way mean criticism. A healthy debate can’t hurt anyone. But I appreciate you guys letting me ask.

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@play If however you are looking for a wife/mother to your children then yes external vetting would be a good idea but I believe the original question was “why don’t men find out more about women they want to have sex with?” . Oh, I get it, wives don’t have sex with their husbands. lol I get that I could do third party/social media due diligence, because the snowflakes are not going to melt themselves. The question is why? It’s the right tool for the right job thing. Makes my dick hard? Check. Fucks me good? Check. Good feminine company?… Read more »

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Cheryl, I have a pinball machine. You bring the condoms. And beer. And if you’re not hot, bring a friend who is.

That’s all you need to know.

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Some more spot on Smith’s lyrics… LOL

the last night of the fair
from a seat on a whirling waltzer
her skirt ascends for a watching eye
it’s a hideous trait (on her mother’s side)
and though I walk home alone
my faith in love is still devout
then someone falls in love
and someone’s beaten up
someone’s beaten up
and the senses being dulled are mine
and though I walk home alone
my faith in love is still devout
this is the last night of the fair
and the grease in the hair
of a speedway operator
is all a tremulous heart requires

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@Play Say said woman passes your vigorous vetting process? Are you not now in danger if thinking that she is “special/not like the rest/a unicorn”? Sounds like a shortcut to oneitis/pedestalisation to me! Good question. All girls have the same emotional wiring. Not all girls have the same training or are capable of sublimation/mateguarding themselves. When it comes to training NAWALT is true. When it comes to sex/emotional wiring, AWALT is true. Hypergamy is AWALT, for example. When it comes to loyalty, you get variation, because training varies. As a married man, the guard against Oneitis is options. Be around… Read more »

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Zipper Lol smart-ass it was a typo. Meant to be pitbull (girls don’t lie about their dogs usually)
What kind of beer. What size condom? But wait isn’t that your job. ? And I do have a few hot friends

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“But wait isn’t that your job. ?”

I coulda sweared he just told you what your job is, but that might only be because I was listening.

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Smiths, Smiths, Smiths, man, cut down not across.
Someone posted this a while back, I think it was Bromeo, it’s on topic in more ways than one.
Cheryl might like it.

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@Cheryl – my point was, if a chick is wearing leggings or exercise pants that give the outline of her cameltoe, that’s revealing in more ways than one. I was in a public place today where a good-looking suburban soccer mom had her two future corporate drones in tow. Suburban soccer mommy was married as indicated by ring on finger, and she was wearing the kind of exercise pants I’m talking about – the kind of pants that leave nothing to imagination. The public place was not a gym. So, does this mean she’s down to fuck? Maybe, but I’m… Read more »

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Cheryl, the beer you bring is part of the test. As far as the condom size… it’s not for me, it’s whatever size you need to cover your mouth.

And yes, bring your hot friends. We can all play “fun ways to tilt a pinball machine.”

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@ theadsgamer No I’m not saying my “vetting lite” is protection against the possibility of some of those things happening but most of the things on your list would be difficult to vet for anyways. Just be robust red pill man and most of the things on your list won’t be much of a concern anymore. Will she stalk me if I dump her? Why should I give a fuck if she wants to waste her time? and new chicks get to think she must be devestated at being dumped by me! Will she try to tap me into marriage/… Read more »

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Zipper.. oh touche’. It’s OK size doesn’t matter. As far as beer I wasn’t sure you drank a lite or reg?
Kfg the only person to tell me what to do is my employer…now ask me and I’ll gladly do anything

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Coyote , I can’t dispute or agree with your take on this woman. Personally I don’t know why women think they’re attractive even at a size 4. Comfort eh maybe.. unless worn with a longer sweater.. but to each his own.

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“What we call ‘pump & dump’ now was a very pragmatic, often life-preserving reproductive strategy for men to follow in our prehistory. “ Pump and dump has revived as a useful protective technique to maintain freewill. The FI drives young men to avoid commitment in favor of a ultra-short term mating strategy as STR/LTR incentives have declined essentially to zero. The ubiquitous Duke University “Why Duke college kids aren’t dating” articles are good examples. Excuses lie with busy schedules, too career focused and such. There’s not enough incentive to STR, LTR, create any provisioning aspect, and forgettabout creating a stable… Read more »

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Cheryl, if you’re looking for pornographic digital displays of affection, I get it. RP men understand a woman’s unceasing hypergamous desire to be banged, chased, thought of by innumerable suitors. That’s why women come here. So take your sweet, sweet ample ass over to zips pad and get some.

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“Kfg the only person to tell me what to do is my employer…now ask me and I’ll gladly do anything”

That’s two.

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Ehintellect, you must have me confused with a woman you know.
I do thank you though for looking out for my sexual needs.

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Cheryl…AWALT…now c’mon get some.

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@Play It’s difficult to live a red pill life if you are a cubicle monkey in some corporate hell hole! What is your job? Is this some sort of dick measuring contest? Give me an STD? Be the kind of man a girl would think twice of doing this to/condoms. Sure with the likes of chlamydia she may not know she has it but it’s not like gonorrhoea/HIV etc. I guess you know better than MDs. I posted about STDs recently and gonorrhea doesn’t always show symptoms. Some varieties don’t respond to common antibiotics, either. Could be a girl got… Read more »

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Agree, ASD, although note that Sheen fucked tranny hookers, and from what I have read, tranny hookers have quite high HIV rates.

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@Play

Just be robust red pill man and most of the things on your list won’t be much of a concern anymore.
Will she stalk me if I dump her?

Married men generally require that their partners be discreet, including married men who are RP. Oh, wait, married men can’t be robust red pill men.

Sorry Rollo, you aren’t Red Pill. lol

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So, does this mean she’s down to fuck? Maybe, but I’m guessing probably not. But there’s no doubt she’s an attention whore, and I didn’t have to exchange a word with her to know that.

Oh, it’s attention whori—-, erm, I mean, “feeling confident about herself”. smile

Anyway, I don’t mind, just enjoy the view. Soon enough they’ll be coming to work in lingerie.

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@Nova

Agree, ASD, although note that Sheen fucked tranny hookers, and from what I have read, tranny hookers have quite high HIV rates.

Hookers have high HIV rates? Shock!

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Hookers have high HIV rates? Shock!

Tranny hookers have the highest.

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@ gamer So me asking you if you have a corporate job subject to a FI controlled HR department is a dick measuring contest? I’m guessing this means that that is indeed your employment situation, that sucks why not change it? If you’re married why are you fucking about and looking for discrete partners? You’re inviting drama into your life. You want to fuck other people get a divorce it’s that simple. I’m a big advocate for personal freedom, you should do exactly what you want to do, but have the balls to do it without being deceitful and cheating.… Read more »

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Interesting that it is always men who must sublimate, not women:

Janelle Monáe Calls on Women to Withhold Sex Until Men ‘Start Respecting the Vagina’
http://news.valubit.com/janelle-monae-calls-on-women-to-withhold-sex-until-men-start-respecting-the-vagina/

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Oh, boy, another Lysistrata gambit.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Lysistrata

Let’s see, I wonder how old Janelle Monáe is? 30 +?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Janelle_Mon%C3%A1e
“Age: 31”

DingDingDing!

She should stop worrying. The androids will respect her vagina exactly as much as it deserves.

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