Blue Pill Conditioning and Equalism

Rational reader Playdontpay had a very poignant comment in last week’s thread:

I’ll stick with the “boner test”. Women are only playthings anyway!
Do I enjoy fucking her? After sex is she good feminine company? This is all I need to know, if shit goes sideways I’ll just get another one.

She’s only going to lie and present a fictional version of herself based on what she thinks you’re looking for anyways. Women don’t do real self improvement they just convince themselves that they already are “better” because if she can’t convince herself it will be more difficult for her to sell it to you.

She will rewrite her sexual history and “because she’s a different person now”, well, that’s the way she has always been. Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar that’s been learning game from the age of 12?

His perspective on women is exactly why I tell men to avoid marriage altogether even though I’ve had a fantastic marriage myself for over 20 years. A lot of my haters, and more than a few supporters often get hung up on this.

Most of the criticism I get for writing what I do and still maintaining a good relationship with Mrs. T comes from men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths described in this approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it. They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. So, naturally, the easy presumption is that any self respecting woman would never put up with a Red Pill man’s outlook and approach, because they believe the blank slate lie.

If an egalitarian ideal between men and women were tenable I’d completely agree, but it isn’t. So, in order to protect their ego investments, the rationale follows that any woman who falls for a Red Pill man must, by definition, be lacking in self esteem, self respect, low quality, etc. They believe that because anything else destroys their equalist fantasy world. This stems from a much deeper, root level, ego-investment in egalitarianism and I think this is a perspective a lot of Red Pill aware men have a tough time with to say nothing of men still plugged into the Blue Pill world view.

If you’ve read me for any length of time you’ll know I’m rarely prescriptive in my writing. I’ve always been of the belief that men need to find ways to utilize Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics for themselves on an individual basis. However, I will say that there are certain general aspects of that awareness and how to put it into something applicable in a man’s life that seem self-evident to me. First and foremost among these generalities is that in killing your inner Beta and disabusing oneself of his Blue Pill conditioning, a man needs to understand that the foundational belief that informed and defined his Blue Pill existence is equalism. The presumption that an idealized, blank-slate egalitarian state between the sexes is both possible and desirable informs all Blue Pill beliefs that follow it.

This equalist presumption often forms the mental point of origin for most Blue Pill men. Ostensibly, this mental prioritization of some equal state between the sexes is what most Blue Pill guys will tell you attracts women. This notion is also fundamental to Blue Pill guys’ drive for identifying their own psyches with the feminine and forms the basis of Beta Game.

Transitioning this early equalist ideology to a sexual strategy is a simple, deductive process for men. Little boys are raised on feminine primacy memes and the narrative of Fempowerment, all the while being conditioned to believe that, beyond some insignificant biology, boys and girls are identical beings with the same potential and proficiencies. It’s gotten to the point where this process is normalized and pushed to the backgrounds of most people’s consciousness. We’ll raise boys in feminine-primary educational standards, we’ll teach them they’re the same as girls, but we’ll also teach them they’re defective for not aligning themselves with girls, for not getting in touch with their feminine sides.

I’m fleshing this process out a bit here because unlearning this equalist’s mental point of origin is a key transition in a man’s unplugging. Often the hardest part of killing the Beta and accepting Red Pill awareness is replacing equalism with oneself as a mental point of origin. This is a hard step for most guys because it requires he shift his opinion of himself and risk being called a selfish asshole. Remember, anything that would disagree with or challenge the idea of intersexual egalitarianism will always be equated with misogyny, intolerance, tyranny, etc. Questioning the validity of equalism (however it’s applied) will always be countered with a  binary extreme.

This is exactly why Playdontpay’s comment appears so outrageous and self-indulgent to anyone not Red Pill aware. HIs pragmatism will be conflated with anger.

Interghangeability

Anonymous Reader posits:

Rollo
…men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it.

Often because they’ve been told since they were toddlers that there is “more to it”, also known as the Blue Pill.

They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are.

Exactly so and very important. The feminist fallacy of “interchangeable” leads to this. The mental habit some men have of projecting themselves onto others, believing “Well, I’m like this, so everyone else must be also” leads to this. It is extremely frustrating to encounter female behavior that is so obviously stupid it is like catching someone peeing in the kitchen sink.

Many betaized men will put up with bad behavior for far too long, then have a major blowout of anger and expect behavioral change. That doesn’t work with toddlers or dogs or women. Constant, low key, correction does work. Neuroplasticity points to a “why”; daily reiteration of a desired habit works better than once per week, etc.

It’s important to recognize the difference between real introspection and brooding or ruminating, too. Some women will brood over wrongs done but not connect that up with their own behavior. That’s not introspection. That’s not “failure analysis”. That’s rewiring neural pathways to perpetual resentment.

It is extremely difficult for an equalist, betaized man to accept the fact that women want and need to be dominated, because they for sure would hate and resent that. It is even worse for the churchgoing men, because the equalist chant from the conservative feminists in churches is almost always slathered with a layer of “sisterly love”.

What Anon is driving at here is my second point in Blue Pill and Red Pill men understanding the depth of their conditioning. Equalism and feminism depend on interchangeability. In order for little girls to grow up to be anything they want to be there must be an agreed upon “level playing field” from a socio-sexual point of view. This means that if little girls want to grow up to become football players and little boys want to grow up to be prima ballerinas there (at least ostensibly) must be an agreed upon equalist environment in which this can happen.

The egalitarian ideal the Blue Pill conditions us to believe is possible presumes there is a mutually agreeable state of intersexual equality. In reality this state is entirely contradictory to our evolved sexual strategies and our biological realities, but in theory, an egalitarian ideal can only exist in an environment that is deemed equal by both men and women. If such a state were possible, if evolved influences of our biological realities for both sexes were non-factors, then this state would also presume a mutual interchangeability between the sexes.

The combination of our equalist conditioning and this interchangeability is the root of much of the dysfunction we see between men and women today. Because we are taught all-is-one, because we presume we’re all the same except for the plumbing, there is also a presumption of uniformity of purpose between the sexes. Equalism is really just the religion of the Feminine Imperative, but it hides behind this feminine-primary advertising that men and women are playing by a mutually agreed upon set of rules, striving for mutually agreed (Blue Pill) goals and all in spite of our natural predilection or any competitiveness. No other social condition in the history of mankind could place women in a more socially controlling position than Hypergamy excused by equalism.

In such a state women can mandate their unilateral control over Hypergamy, but there is one downside – men expect a mutual interchangeability. Blue Pill men actually expect women to play by that mutuality of purpose. That’s the interchange. Women will still ensure that optimizing Hypergamy is the prime directive, and they’ll hide behind equalism to keep men in check and absolve themselves of the worst of their predations in doing so, but men still expect women to feel as men do. Blue Pill men believe that women can and will love them in an idealized way that runs contrary to their Hypergamous opportunism. Why? Because they were conditioned to believe, from a very early age, that interchangeability exists between men and women.

The difference between men and women’s concepts of love is a prime example of this equalist interchangeability fallacy. Men’s concept of love is rooted in idealism; love for the sake of love. This is a result of men’s outward looking idealism and existential experience being male. Women’s concept of love is rooted in opportunism. This is a result of natural solipsism and the need to optimize Hypergamy. It is intrinsic and inward looking and based on security and ensuring survival. When we introduce a condition of egalitarian equalism to men and women only one of these concepts can be the mutually correct concept. Both can exist in a natural state of complementarity between the sexes, but if all-is-one, there can only be one concept of love that decides for both sexes.

The confusion Blue Pill men have is presuming that men’s idealistic concept is the mutually accepted one. This then wars with women’s natural opportunistic concept; and by extension her intrinsic need to optimize Hypergamy. Of course, I’m under no illusion that equalism is anything more than a social utility to ensure a feminine-primary social order, but this is one illustration of how deeply conditioned equalism is what a majority of men base their intersexual understandings on.

I see this conditioning persist even amongst men I would otherwise think had a firm grasp of Red Pill awareness. As I said, they think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. They still want to hope in that Blue Pill goal of interchangeability. For all of the Red Pill and self awareness I could credit men of the MRM with, they still cling to this equalist mindset. This Blue Pill ideal of true equality between the sexes ultimately works against their best intentions since it is women who are more perfectly placed to take advantage of this ‘equality’. Once again, you will never achieve Blue Pill idealistic goals with Red Pill awareness. Most men are taught that those Blue Pill goals are worthwhile, but they are carrots proffered by the same builders of the cart who hope to get the mule to pull it.

I have read and heard the words of many otherwise brilliant, otherwise Red Pill aware men who simply cannot unlearn the falsehoods of egalitarian equalism. Nothing’s more frustrating to me than to hear a guy I have a deep respect for parrot back some meme or catchphrase of a feminine-operative social convention, or what he thinks is a funny, gender-deprecating quip that belies his ego-investment in the same equalism he just spent a book’s worth of research to debunk. I see brilliant men like Dr. Jordan Peterson, Dr. Warren Farrell or Steven Pinker, who I would hold up as guys who have a lot figured out, still rattle off the same memes I would expect to see from equalists on Facebook. I find it the height of irony that the same men who would systematically destroy the idea of the blank slate still pander to the hopes and goals of the equalists who built those goals based on a blank slate ideology.

Understanding how your prison is constructed, how it works, who your jailers are, is not the same as understanding how to escape it. It’s interesting how refined our Red Pill Lenses can become yet we still never drill down to the root beliefs that still keep us ignorantly hopeful. It’s time we embrace an ideology of true complementarity between men and women. It’s time we accept that we are not equal and in some circumstances that puts men and women at respective advantages and disadvantages based on what any challenge poses to us. It’s time we threw away the Blue Pill goals that equalism has taught us are ‘correct’ and replace them with realistic ones founded on Red Pill awareness.

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Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ AR I watched Fox ” News ” for a few years in the early 2000’s to educate myself as to what they were actually saying. I didn’t rely on word of mouth to formulate an opinion. I especially paid attention to O’Reilly’s Factor show. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ucJhwWB7Y&w=1280&h=720%5D So you can probably guess that I personally give absolutely no fucks about Bill. He’s made his multi millions, so he won’t find himself homeless because he lost his gig. I also understand that he’s in his late 60’s, and has lived a segregated life, meaning he has no fucking idea what he’s… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Equality is a lie.
Any topic outside of math, equality is always a lie

safespaceplaypen
safespaceplaypen
4 years ago

In regards to @Jed and “Red Pill” Christianity, The discussions out there on original Christianity and how “Red Pill” it was are really interesting. It sheds light on a lot of things – how people thought back then, cultural differences, attitudes towards various philosophical schools and how these differing philosophical schools and cultural attitudes influenced the religion, and so on. Lots of cool shit that’s pertinent to our times. One of the most interesting things about original Christianity – between 70AD and 1000AD – was how it handled all of the heresies that kept popping up everywhere. Christianity’s been dealing… Read more »

safespaceplaypen
safespaceplaypen
4 years ago

@SFC Ton

lol even in math the definition of “equal” changes depending on what subject of math we’re talking about, and what kind of “mathematical objects” we’re dealing with.

“equal” is such a retardedly abstract term, but people use it every day for every day shit that its hard to forget how the term literally has no connection whatsoever with reality. It’s just some shit we made up to make life easier to traverse.

Adam
4 years ago

“Understanding how your prison is constructed, how it works, who your jailers are, is not the same as understanding how to escape it.” It is a prison of the mind. They have been in the prison for so long that is the most comforting thing they know. As I wrote in a post the other day, the reason that the Israelites had to spend 40 years in the desert after escaping from Egypt was they had to wait for all of the people who had been slaves to die out before they could go on to construct their own nation… Read more »

Glider
Glider
4 years ago

@ Jed Mask
April 18, 2017 at 9:00 am

Dude, god doesn’t exist. It’s just a figment of your & many other very gullible sheeple’s imaginations. Religion is the major cause of misery and ignorance in the world. Grow up, get over it, and be a real man. You’ll feel much better when you live in reality…

Glider
Glider
4 years ago

@ Not Born This Morning April 19, 2017 at 9:49 am “Feminism has been given the opportunity to shirk reproductive responsibilities due to widely available risk free permission to commit fetal homicide and total control of mans reproductive opportunities. But that opportunity does not absolve woman’s responsibility to man and the human race.” Fetal homicide? Come on, man! What is it with you god botherers in the States? I’m so glad i’m Australian, a country where religion is of no consequence to most people (apart from Muslim immigrants, which is another story…). I’m a hard-core RP man, but i totally… Read more »

ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

@Glider

Well said.

Mineter
Mineter
4 years ago

Abortion is essentially ex post facto contraception. Once upon a time, back in the bad ol’ days of the Patriarchy, an unmarried female getting pregnant guaranteed her ruin. What man would want to marry her and expend his hard earned resources on some other man’s bastard? Unless she had family to support her financially or look after the brat whilst she did so herself, she was basically fucked economically. This fear of an unwanted pregnancy tended to keep women’s sexual appetites in check. If we wanted to talk about TRUE abortive rights, perhaps the presumptive father should either have the… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Glider

Dude, god doesn’t exist. It’s just a figment of your & many other very gullible sheeple’s imaginations.

Anyone who would make this statement is either an idiot or omniscient. Which one are you?

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

Jesus was just an enlightened guy trying to talk some sense into people. It got blown way out of proportion because people like rules and dogma… It takes self-responsibility away, and gives people a false sense of security. “God” is real. Call it intuition, infinite intelligence… doesn’t matter what you call it. You can directly experience him/it/whatever. None of this shit is stuff you need to “believe” You can KNOW it. Also, this stuff isn’t for special people either. You can figure it out pretty easily if you start observing your emotional reactions and asking yourself why you react the… Read more »

safespaceplaypen
safespaceplaypen
4 years ago

@Gilder
April 20, 2017 at 12:34 am

Dude, morals and human rights/natural rights don’t exist. It’s all just a figment of your & many other very gullible sheeple’s imaginations. Moral beliefs and human rights/natural rights are the major cause of misery and ignorance in the world. Grow up, get over it, and be a real man. You’ll feel much better when you live in reality…

safespaceplaypen
safespaceplaypen
4 years ago

@Gilder

“I’m a hard-core RP man, but i totally believe in abortive rights.”

lol support of abortive rights is a pretty feminist position. It’s hard to be a badass “hard-core” RP man while supporting one of the many things that has directly made feminism bloom in the western world.

let me guess, you probably support other feminist positions unknowingly while calling yourself a badass hard-core RP man, such as: women voting, women in leadership positions, women getting equal pay, unilateral and no-fault divorce, and so on.

gtfo lol

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Glider

In case you hadn’t noticed, the human race has bred to plague proportions and needs a good virus or meteorite to sort things out.

Sounds like you need to reduce the excess population by retroactively aborting yourself.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

In case you hadn’t noticed, the human race has bred to plague proportions

Says who? Who the fuck knows what good proportions are for humanity?

Same idiots who prattle on about “excess population” then whine about wars, which would reduce population by a lot.

The problem isn’t excess population…the problem is excessively populated cities. Go rural, go home.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Mineter

Do you support abortive rights only for women, or (allegorical) abortive rights for men too?

I’m sure you haven’t thought about this, being into killing people to avoid financial responsibility, but what if the man wants a child and the pregnant woman doesn’t? What about his parental rights?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Mineter

I can only hazard a guess that the avowed heathens were infested with SJW hipster types who made more noise than believers, thus giving the impression that not much religion is going on in Australia. Obviously, news reports showing various churches and cathedrals packed with their faithful just a week ago at Easter was obviously “fake news”.

Lol, well done.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Andy, just making up shit

Jesus was just an enlightened guy trying to talk some sense into people. It got blown way out of proportion because people like rules and dogma…

How the fuck do you know? Sounds to me like you are creating your own dogma. I’m sure that you’re an expert on the laws and customs of the ancient Roman Empire, including Judea and Greek cities.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

@asd

You’re right I don’t know. But based on what I do know and what he has supposedly said I think it’s a pretty good guess. All enlightenment teachings are essentially the same and a lot of what Jesus supposedly said makes sense in a certain context. Hell = living as your ego. Heaven = living as your true self.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

AR as I can tell he got accused of harassment by some number of women. It’s probably true. Comments? Probably true? FI pushing on you? This is all part of an inter-generational battle withing the Murdoch clan… and boys trying to go back to shirt sleeeves because they are ‘enlightened” “men”… The perps… Where have we seen those faces before…? Seems they are put off by having their great Golden Vagina stumped by Trump and shuffled off to another network… and well hell hath no fury like a Murdoch woman scorned… http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-how-bill-oreillys-scandal-exposes-a-murdoch-family-divide-993110 Last July, after Gretchen Carlson sued the Murdoch-controlled… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

Are you the same Andy who posted only a couple of months back that you couldn’t feel much for your kids anymore, due to your (ostensible) “new enlightenment”? Sure have made a 180 out in the other direction if you are that guy. Which is fortunate. But, you’re kind of a person of extremes and mercurial, untrustworthy behavior pattern if so.

Mineter
Mineter
4 years ago

@theasdgamer No, I’m not one to advocate killing innocent people for mere financial gain. Heh, allegorical argument and reducto ad absurdium can result in some pretty shocking propositions… I can’t imagine any Western government forcing women today to carry a pregnancy to term just so the father can raise his child. However, (anecdotally) there have been many cases where women have carried to term only to give them up for adoption, without the biological father even knowing about his child, thus denying him the option of claiming his child to raise on his own. Another question for Glider. Given that… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” I’m sure that you’re an expert on the laws and customs of the ancient Roman Empire, including Judea and Greek cities.”

It’s really only necessary to make a decent examination of the single city at the center of the world.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Sentient: ” … time was when your grandfather acted like him . . .”

My maternal grandfather lived around the corner from him, and as a consequence so did I for a time. They are/were rather dissimilar in behavior.

@anon: “But, you’re kind of a person of extremes and mercurial, untrustworthy behavior pattern if so.”

The pendulum will swing.

@Mineter: ” there have been many cases where women have carried to term only to give them up for adoption, without the biological father even knowing about his child . . .”

See “foundling”: https://infogalactic.com/info/Child_abandonment

M Simon
4 years ago

From last week’s thread: The qualification for a long term investment in a female? She wants you so bad nothing else matters. Other GFs? An obstacle not a disqualification. etc. i.e. she needs to have oneitis for you. And you must do the usual Game stuff to maintain her attitude. So far 43 years and 4 kids. I never let her forget – “you can be replaced”. == killing your inner Beta I was lucky to have mine fatally stabbed by my first GF at age 18. “Never apologize” she said. It took about 10 more years for it to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9y36nNz0Cs

women “news readers”…

M Simon
4 years ago

what “responsibility” is fulfilled by a woman’s “right” to an abortion?

Raising the child. If the economics are not there then the woman has a BIG long lasting problem.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

@anon

Your kids don’t belong to you. Most people are overly attached to their family and possessions because they look to those things for a sense of identity, purpose, pride, a fake paper thin layer of self-confidence … It’s 100% completely all about YOU. Even if you say “I would die for them.” It’s actually still only about you… How people will think about YOU when you’re gone. What legacy YOU will leave behind. The unbearable pain YOU would have to deal with if YOU lived and they died.

M Simon
4 years ago

safespaceplaypen
April 20, 2017 at 6:49 am

Women who don’t want to reproduce – shouldn’t. A few generations will sort things out.

Politically the women who don’t want kids are my political opponents. They shouldn’t reproduce. And funny enough – I will not stand in their way.

M Simon
4 years ago

Andy
April 20, 2017 at 7:49 am

You are speaking of how men should be. Women get “points” from other women based on raising a family. It is THEIR identity.

Mineter
Mineter
4 years ago

@Andy
I recently decided to discontinue my life insurance. I had originally taken it out for all the usual blue pill reasons of looking after my loved ones blah blah blah. No. I want my wife and kids to be praying every day that nothing happens to me, and worrying all the time about what they’d do without me.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

@M Simon

” Women get “points” from other women based on raising a family. It is THEIR identity.”

Agreed. This particular attachment is probably the hardest to get over for women. It was probably the hardest part for me too… That’s why it bothers anon so much. That being said I’m sure there women that are able to do it… Once you have the realization that you have no idea who you are it all comes crashing down.

@Mineter

Not being overly attached does not mean you don’t care for them… It’s not one extreme or the other.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/10/75/75/2350961/17/1024×1024.jpg

Distraction
Regression
Adjustment
Maturation
Action.

stan
stan
4 years ago

Rollo — you will want to look at this article. Likely a good one to write about. Enough meat on the bone for a number of good posts.

http://quillette.com/2017/04/18/laura-kipnis-rape-culture-disappearance-sex/

NY therapist on the repercussions of rape culture claims — the decline in men willing to risk having sex. Notes that sex is, on one level, all about power. And that 3d wave feminism is not about sharing power, but seizing a monopoly on that power.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg It’s really only necessary to make a decent examination of the single city at the center of the world. Which brings us to the understanding that “Roman” cities had varying degrees of autonomy, extending to the legal system, religion, and other cultural diversity. Jews in Judea weren’t allowed capital punishment, but other cities and regions were. Slavery was allowed everywhere. Greek was the chief language of trade. Crops were grown by slaves; the mines were worked by slaves; the galleys were rowed by slaves. Under Roman law, there was no crime of rape, unless the woman was under the… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@stan

And that 3d wave feminism is not about sharing power, but seizing a monopoly on that power.

Are alphas somehow disempowered by 3rd wave feminism, or only betas?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Greek was the chief language of trade.”

And the language of the city at the center of the world, which was Greek, not Roman. The OT was first translated there, into Greek, and the NT was written in Greek by people who were least educated at the university there, by evidence of its high literary structure.

At the time of the Roman conquest it was the most populous city in the world, and half of that population consisted of Hellenized Jews, and then the Romans built a highway directly between it and Palestine.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . who were AT least educated . . .”

safespaceplaypen
safespaceplaypen
4 years ago

@Andy lol, wtf is this shit? “All enlightenment teachings are essentially the same and a lot of what Jesus supposedly said makes sense in a certain context. Hell = living as your ego. Heaven = living as your true self.” Do you know how retarded this sounds? You bought into a bunch of enlightenment bull, think you’ve figured out the answers to everything, and now you spout more bullshit that amounts to your own “enlightened” personal opinion. Jesus Christ you are retarded. Rethink your view of the fucking world. If your only argument for your personal view of “enlightenment” is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Rethink your view of the fucking world.”

You are advising him to do what he’s doing, as a consequence of his doing it. Not particularly logically sound. The book he posted a link to awhile ago is an excellent apocrypha to The Book. If I had advice to give him, it would be that he should actually read it at some point.

“At least Christianity has some empirical evidence to back up its claims.”

Empirical evidence is the destroyer of faith.

Novaseeker
4 years ago

Women cannot have have unchallenged power over their Hypergamous choices in a society that makes them accountable for the most permanent results of them.

Very true, Rollo.

The sexual revolution and its legal counterparts were all part and parcel of liberating women from being tied to specific men — that frees up hypergamy. It was peddled as being liberating access to sex for everyone, but of course that’s a ruse, because women don’t have sex with “everyone”, lol.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

At the time of the Roman conquest it was the most populous city in the world

Yet despite all this population, the Alexandrians had to depend on the Romans to build a road. There must not have been a school of engineering at the U. of Alexandria.

Alexandria was populated heavily by scholars, right? What was Egypt’s chief export? Wheat, maybe? And who grows wheat? How many slaves did it take to grow enough wheat to feed one citizen?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

Empirical evidence is the destroyer of faith.

Please provide empirical evidence to support your claim. I expect the evidence to include statements about sensory observations.

Popper and Rationalism are dead, dead, DEAD!!

anon
anon
4 years ago

“@anon Your kids don’t belong to you. Most people are overly attached to their family and possessions because they look to those things for a sense of identity, purpose, pride, a fake paper thin layer of self-confidence … It’s 100% completely all about YOU.” A sense of purpose, pride, accomplishment, family legacy and so forth are not paper thin self confidence layers. Those are the things that give life meaning. The Private man is remembered for the legacy he left to others, even if it was “about him” (everyone is motivated by self interest, you do have that right at… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

All of this I discovered (wondered at, and then got over and beyond it) at age ten. How old are you?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . the Alexandrians had to depend on the Romans to build a road.” I not so sure it was a question of dependency so much as it was maintaining Sinai as a land barrier. “There must not have been a school of engineering at the U. of Alexandria.” Best in the world, although it gave a heavy emphasis to war engines. The Greeks were ship and pinata builders, the Greek lands not being conducive to road building. The message from the Plains of Marathon were delivered by foot because it was faster than by horse. Road building… Read more »

mersonia
4 years ago

“Empirical evidence is the destroyer of faith.”

So true …so true

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“Rethink your view of the fucking world. If your only argument for your personal view of “enlightenment” is “you just have to feel it and experience, then you’ll understand it” (which last time in the Field Reports you brought this shit up, that’s what your argument amounted to) then i’m sorry, you are a moron. If you can’t accept that your belief is absolutely moronic, then there really is no form of reasoning that can convince you otherwise.” @safespace So, you have scientific evidence that enlightenment doesn’t exist? Or is your argument, “it just doesn’t okay”? Don’t believe me, find… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

I’ll tell you something else Andy. The world is one fucking miserable place when no one has a sense of purpose, pride, legacy, accomplishment. Yes, it’s all about me. And yet when I care enough about myself to do the right things (which ipso facto means taking pride in my purpose as a parent, a spouse, an employee or whatever my responsibilities lie) the family benefits and that has an impact on the community which benefits, and that has a positive impact that continues on. Lack of pride, purpose, and so forth have exactly the opposite impact. Humans are both… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Popper and Rationalism are dead, dead, DEAD!!”

I did not invoke Popper. Popper’s non-Marxist critics (with whom I largely agree) did not revert to Solipsism.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@anon

A sense of purpose, pride, accomplishment, family legacy and so forth are not paper thin self confidence layers

I dunno…does being made in the image of God give one identity and sufficient value? What if you lost your family, your professional accomplishments were destroyed, you were racked by pain, and your friends mocked you?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“…does being made in the image of God give one identity and sufficient value?”

Does not having senses?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

AR on BOR as I can tell he got accused of harassment by some number of women. It’s probably true. Comments? Probably true? FI pushing on you? Zeroeth point: O’Reilly was supposedly a big part of the Fox eyeballs / ratings. This demonstrates that the feminists can undercut even a big source of revenue if they push hard enough. Although there was some rumor about him paying a woman off – no idea if that is true or feminist cowshit, but it does suggest a lack of ZFG mindset. Which is no surprise in an aging Boomer. First off, I… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

I did not invoke Popper. Popper’s non-Marxist critics (with whom I largely agree) did not revert to Solipsism.

Wasn’t Popper the last of the White Knights of Rationalism? How can you defend Rationalism against the Postmodern barbarian hordes without Popper?

Were you referring to Kuhn and Feyerabend?

NB: Rationalists have always been big on empirical evidence. Scientists somewhat less so. I could write a dissertation on the irrational, non-empirical methods in science.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

anon,

Your attachment to that external stuff isn’t real. It isn’t “yours”. It’s not who you are. It sounds like a bad thing from your perspective, but it really isn’t. Pride is false confidence. It can be taken away. Who you really are can never be taken away from you. You’ll NEVER be happy relying on Pride. Our purpose is self development, becoming who we really are, and being happy. They’re all the same thing.

mersonia
4 years ago

@andy

the route your going is the nothing is everything and everything is nothing superior people devoid of life route.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/WelcomeGraveBantamrooster.webm

^

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rollo
Nothing says “he’s wasn’t the right guy” like the unilateral control of ending his genetic legacy in utero.

Doubly so inside of a marriage, without his consent or knowledge.

Re: Foundlings. Antonio Vivaldi wrote quite a lot of good music for his all-girl ensemble when he was working at a place in Venice:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Ospedale_della_Piet%C3%A0

PS: Sentient – reread the excerpt you posted with my Machiavelli glasses on. The power play is obvious. Time will tell if they can repleace the eyballs – given that cable TV viewership is declining it could be difficult.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

What keeps our communities self-sustaining, vibrant, not hellholes?

Don’t act, let others act on all their Ideas.

Application of different world views have empirically provable affects.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“Your attachment to that external stuff isn’t real. It isn’t “yours”. It’s not who you are. It sounds like a bad thing from your perspective, but it really isn’t. Pride is false confidence. It can be taken away. Who you really are can never be taken away from you. You’ll NEVER be happy relying on Pride. Our purpose is self development, becoming who we really are, and being happy. They’re all the same thing.” First of all, your life can be taken away from you. So, yes, in the purest sense “what you are” CAN be taken away. Next, if… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blaximus’s idea of a joint Cosby / O’Reilly speaking tour would be hilarious.

Especially if Cosby brought his “dog” along and the opening act was the Juggies.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Doubly so inside a marriage…”

https://youtu.be/_g9RI0GgRIQ

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Wasn’t Popper the last of the White Knights of Rationalism?” One of the criticisms of Popper is that Galileo did not need him in order to swing his dick and play with his balls. How can you defend Rationalism against the Postmodern barbarian hordes without Popper? The Postmodern barbarian hordes have never been beaten by anything other than being hit hard enough that they don’t get up again. I don’t expect the future to be any different. “Were you referring to Kuhn and Feyerabend?” They were influential, although hardly unadulterated by Marxism. ” I could write a dissertation on the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I’m happy that Andy is thinking and really challenging what he used to think and believe, and who he thought he was. That’s growth. Slow, mostly painful growth. But where Andy strays, is in the assumption(s) that the flaws he finds in himself and his personal life/beliefs, are things suffered by everyone. Like, guys saying to get rid of Pride and Ego. That shit sounds absolutely INSANE to me, unless one is having problems in his life because of an outsized, false sense of pride based on nothing tangible and real, or he is an ego maniac of some sort.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . your life can be taken away from you.”

Life? Don’t talk to me about life. Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction, ’cause I don’t.

gregg
gregg
4 years ago

This blog is logical fallacy itself. For men to accept marriage, such level of idealism is necessary. You will not protect and provide, sacrifice your own life for woman, when you don’ t believe in your love dream. You yourself were one of the biggest idealists rollo, otherwise you would’nt served as a toy for bpd woman for years – frankly, only weakest betas do and otherwise you wouldn’t have married as a young guy. Marriage robbed you of this idealism..it usually does this job for most men, just check the old thread “married men, when you haye your life… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Well!!! That was insightful. Never heard any of that before…. lol.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Gregg, whatever you’re smoking, don’t give me some.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg The Postmodern barbarian hordes have never been beaten by anything other than being hit hard enough that they don’t get up again. I don’t expect the future to be any different. Feyerabend and Kuhn put the coffin nails in Rationalism. As a project which attempted to impose a defined method on research and thought, Rationalism totally failed. Happily, Reason is still very much alive, as are Creativity, Stubborn Conviction, Dreams, Politics, Moneygrubbing and other things that are part of The Scientific Method ™. Asking for empirical evidence has its place in physical research, legal trials, and history. Of course,… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Reason is still very much alive . . .”

Aristotle reasoned that a 10 pound weight fell 10 times faster than a 1 pound weight.

Galileo measured that they both fell at the same rate.

The box cutter and guitar pick I just dropped incline me toward Galileo.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

Galileo measured that they both fell at the same rate.

Did he now? Reason and comparison were excluded?

I should clarify–Rationalism attempted to impose Reason as the exclusive agent on research and thought.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Rationalism attempted to impose Reason as the exclusive agent on research and thought.”

With a primal fact, Aristotle. The problem is that you need a minimum of two facts* to triangulate on a third, and you need three to create stability.

Of course Aristotle lacked the reasoning that allowed Galileo to understand how his dick swung, so he would have been at some trouble to make the measurement. Contrariwise he used multiple observations in applying his reason to the demonstration that the Earth was spherical.

*Setting aside for now what a “fact” is.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . comparison . . .”

. . . is implicit in “measure.” The word is a subtype of “comparison.”

gregg
gregg
4 years ago

In Europe we have the pleasure of facing and witnessing this ‘positive masculinity’ in action. Birth rates decrease, young guys with ‘mental point’ of origin in themselves enjoy, spin plates, don’t marry and do not have children, while immigrants slowly rape and take over women, civilisation and countries. Masculinity is not about ‘enjoy’ and ‘fuck’ mentality..masculinity is about having something bigger to believe and fight for. Be it family, god, freedom..you name it. Red pill applied without undestanding of male psyche destroys basic idealism of soul, inherent in young men. Young men need this trait, its inherently masculine value. Therefore… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@kfg I thought you were in the car park doing someting or other.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@AR:

The bike I was working on checked out, but it’s grey, cold and dank, so I came back in. I’ll go swing something from it Sunday when the rain has stopped and the sun is out.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

I submit that Galileo measured time from the release at point P for x trials of the 1 lb. wt. and y trials of the 10 lb. wt. until each hit the ground

Rate was never measured. I’m not sure if Galileo measured the distance. Even so, the rate of fall isn’t constant. Gravity accelerates falling objects. Some sort of rate could be computed, I guess.

Galileo compared times for x and y trials.

I’m totally keyboard jockeying here, lol.

ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

“Abortion is the last word in absolving women of the consequences of a Hypergamous decision. They sell the idea that it’s men who persuade women to have abortions to serve their own sexual strategy, but this would only be valid if it were a truly equal question of control. On a societal level, men are effectively powerless when it comes to whether women will birth his child or not.” Regardless of whether it’s a hypergamous decision or not. The bigger picture requires we allow abortions to take place. The planet is over populated. Globally, 131 million people are added to… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Ollie

Peddle your overpopulation bullshit elsewhere.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Ollie I would also argue men have control over whether they father children or not. They just refuse to exercise it, in most instances. Ever had a woman tell you “I’m on the pill, you don’t need a condom”? Or even better, “I have a tilted cervix my doctor says I can’t get pregnant”. Any number of men believed such little lies. Some of them wound up as fathers. Or at least that’s what they were told by a girl… The NBA now tells players to use only their own condoms, not one some girl hands to them, and to… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

LOL Safe, just shows how little I know about math

SFC Ton
4 years ago

You ride or you dont.
Grey, cold, dank, thunderstorms, snow, ice….. it’s all ridding weather

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Abortion…. I am all for the other side killing their young in the womb

My side should never commit such a horror and be held accountable for murder

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Ollie

what makes you believe that the world is overpopulated? Is it in the latest studies or something?

I never believed the overpopulation myth that I’ve been hearing about for the last 30 years. Please enlighten me as to how a higher population is unsustainable in detail.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“I submit that Galileo measured time from the release at point P for x trials of the 1 lb. wt. and y trials of the 10 lb. wt. until each hit the ground. He dropped the two at once and observed that they hit at the same time. Just as I did with my box cutter and guitar pick. No time measurement is necessary for this. He then became intrigued to figure out what the rate of fall was, as Aristotle reasoned a constant rate proportional to weight, which was clearly wrong, but was stymied because the speed was too… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Grey, cold, dank, thunderstorms, snow, ice….. it’s all ridding weather”

For years on end I rode every day. In upstate NY. -30 to +100 (in the shade, God knows what out between the hammer of the Sun and the anvil of the blacktop). Through blizzards with feet of snow on the ground and through hurricane Irene.

I’m riding through all that now if I have somewhere I need to go (no car, don’t want one), but for fun I haven’t been feeling it lately.

I’m sure this too shall pass.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Over population…..

Population isn’t so much the problem. The problem is the demographic groups doing the over populating don’t add value to the world and are net consumers of resources.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

When I read a man who says he don’t fear anything I have to wonder what has been thrown his way.

Has he a the real possibility of his child dying of the doctors dont know what? Had a race bike go down at high speed? Have his parachute fail? Look down and see his legs shredded? Been water boarded etc etc.

No fear has to one of the dumbest things ever put on a bumper sticker.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

LOL I recently got my expiration date; trying to live on my bike and get in the last couple of dream rides while I can

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Ever had a woman tell you “I’m on the pill, you don’t need a condom”? Or even better, “I have a tilted cervix my doctor says I can’t get pregnant”. Any number of men believed such little lies. Some of them wound up as fathers. Or at least that’s what they were told by a girl… ……The problem is the demographic groups doing the over populating don’t add value to the world and are net consumers of resources.” Narrator: As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Modern music and Xanax – twins? I’m not the target market, since a lot of the music I listen to was written by people now dead. Of course that gets easier every year…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/soft-smooth-and-steady-how-xanax-turned-american-music-into-pill-pop/2017/04/19/535a44de-1955-11e7-bcc2-7d1a0973e7b2_story.html

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“I recently got my expiration date . . .”

Sorry to hear that, but yeah, if I simply had an inside/outside on ten years it would have a considerable effect on my behaviour.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Hey Ton. I just spent 5 glorious days down in your neck of the woods ( literally mostly ) and it was wonderful…except for the pollen, that is. Fear. I have been scared shitless enough that it has lost it’s luster. My first born was born premature, weight just over a pound. The docs told me that if she survived the night, she might have a 50/50 chance. Went down on my bike at a good clip in a curve on a deserted road in Halifax County VA. ( goddamn gravel on the road ) and laid in a field… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Ton, wait!! What do you mean you got your expiration date!!!!!

Maaannn, fuck.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“One can’t just decide not to have fear. You gotta be tested, and make a choice…. if possible.”

Experiencing fear as a masculine male is a normal emotion. Acting fearless is something a man chooses to do.

Analogy: KFG’s saying “I not and elitist. I am elite”.

One is not immunized against the emotion of fear. One can decide to act fearlessly.

One is not an un-emotionalist. One can be non-fearful. By choice.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Well said SJF. You said it better than I.

In fewer words too.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Legit Blax. It ain’t being scared shitless that’s the problem. It’s not doing something because of the fear. Though sometimes that is the smart play.

https://tonsplace.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/fear-vs-man-best-win-this-one/

As for the rest, it ain’t a big deal. Been on borrowed time for about 17 years now. Getting a time line focuses the attention, makes things real in away hearing it the 1st time didn’t. Take away is, keep living and I reckon bikes are my security blanket

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Ton

Man, sorry to hear that, but that’s only for what it’s worth. You have a great handle on things. Still, saddened to hear this, really.

Doesn’t mean I’m gay.

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

Life? Don’t talk to me about life. Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction, ’cause I don’t.
That sounded like Marin the paranoid robot… and google confirmed it.
Man, those are old brain cells

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